Wings Over Scotland

Russia is not in the EU. The only way a “Russian” could have voted last year (apart from lying about nationality on the registration form) was if he or she was a citizen of some other country, such as one of the Baltic states, but self-identifying as an ethnic Russian.

BTW I asked him if the roles were reversed if I was living in Moscow (his city) and did the same he would be miffed too!

That is not quite correct as I understand it, crazycat

Foreign nationals resident in this country were entitled to vote. Foreign students do not count in the normal way, to answer someone else’s question, for they cannot establish residence as others can.

However this alleged russian could only vote if he was resident, and if he was in Scotland for such a short time he must previously have been resident in rUK to establish his right to vote.

@
M says:

My cousin Canada left at 3 and still has a UK Passport as well as a Canadian.

Give us all a break.

Ian Brotherhood: Wish I could locate the interview where AS gave a big sigh when asked how it was decided who would get a referendum vote (this was well after Sept 18th), and he said it was the single biggest headache they had.

As ever, Ian, a good even headed post. Many thanks.

Salmond knew there was going to be headaches.

Just for some light relief,

A comment in Spectator re Gordon Brown

There’s a Greek Tragedy waiting to be written –

about a king with no kingdom, an emperor with no clothes, a politician
with no fingernails, a bully who demanded respect and gave none, a mirthless
killjoy convinced of his humanity and humour, a bigot who railed against
bigotry, a perfectionist who could get nothing right, an arch-plotter conspired
against by all, a Messiah with grievances that only He could bear, a listener
who could never bear to be interrupted, a misjudged sage devoid of judgement,
a belligerent poltroon, a self-taught economist, a historian with no sense of
history, a sociopath who longed to be appreciated, a latter-day Nero who set
his palace alight and then shouted for petrol, a Born Leader who wouldn’t leave
the stage even if bagpipes played him out – the archetypal Scotsman with a
Grudge.

I am trying to donate to the SNP election fund but the Paypal / once off donation does not seem to work – can someone else try it? link to snp.org

If there was something wrong I would like to alert them . .

It might be my Council-issued laptop – I will try the Ipad and see if that works

Fiona- he said he “hated Salmond and Sturgeon!” Great reason eh?

will i vote
should i vote
can i vote please i will vote what you tell me

you’s can get that to fuck i dont care how anybody votes
scotland has woken up and nothing is going to hold us back

i remember asking my mum years and years ago what would happen if scotland was ever in trouble all she said was if
scotland needs help she will turn to her sons and daughters for they will protect her and she will be proud of them

now some arseholes are telling each other who should and who shouldnt vote great guys show the world we are just a bunch of racists like ukip now tell me

would scotland be proud of you

how many people from around the world sent us best wishes the video sent from wales had me in tears and now we tell them we are racists fucking great people made their homes here but they can only stay if they are racists you can chase that to fuck

no not me im taking no part in this crap i sit on the side reading the comments all the time and must say this is turning mt stomach i was talking my partner into attending the next wings night no thanks giving it a miss shes not from scotland so how do you’s think that makes her feel looking about for racists

dont anybody come back and say nobody on this site is racist all it took was one person to start trouble and a few names jumped in and show their trueself well thats not me so wont be at any wings nights ever

for anybody offended by these morons please dont think i have any of these thoughts i dont and never will im sorry if you’r feelings have been hurt in anyway by these morons scotland is you’r home and from me you are very very welcome

for anybody that wants to know i stay in the heart of glasgow one of the poorest citys that voted yes if anybody asked how i was voting i told them yes i didnt ask them as it would have hurt very baddly if they said no

everybody was gutted by the outcome some people on this site where leaving scotland and they are still here what happened to they cowards didnt get you’r own way so take it out on the incomers fuck off morons you’s are not needed on this site

feel proud off you’rselfs

again for anybody that feels hurt by these comments im sorry but i dont feel that way and dont think the people of glasgow feels that way we dont

sorry for the long rant i felt as if i was getting dragged into this even if i dont post much on here no doubt when stu gets back he will tell us the number of visitors is dropping pat you’rselfs on the backs loud mouths

People should realise :-
It doesn’t matter the colour of your skin,
whether you’re black or white.
It doesn’t matter what nationality you are,
what religion you are,
what your political beliefs are,
because in the dead of the night when its pitch black,
we are all just the same.
I for one welcome anyone with open arms.

We are all Jock Tamson’s bairns.
Gary

@ Glamaig 2.21 p.m.

The best post on this topic: simple and eloquent. Any other course than giving everyone in Scotland a vote would have been a disaster because it would have been so divisive, and a delight to our enemies.

It seems this very questionable report is having the divide-and-rule effect it intended. Have we forgotten all the English Yessers we worked with or the English SNP members we know?

The reason we didn’t win was the high number of Proud-Scot-Buts who could not be shifted from their position. Every day, in every way, the reaction of English MSM and BBC is whittling away their numbers.

Let’s let them get on with it.

Gerry Packer: We just need to keep it up for another wee while and we’ll get a record number of SNP MPs in May.

I’m wondering what last minute smear or bribe the opposition will conjure close to election day.

There can’t fall back be another ‘vow,’ surely?

Currently, they’re dragging up the same hackneyed arguments thrown at Scotland during the referendum, plus research showing we are all related to Northern English in genes, Irish too, the majority of Scots feel British, and anyhow, in time it will all be a one-world society fed and clothed and sheltered by benign corporations.

It seems our culture, mores, traditions, and language are destined to die out. (No need for BBC Scotland .) Maybe we will all have to wear the same garb, like millions of Chinese did under Mao Tse-Tung.

joemcg 6.40pm
I have a Russian work colleague and he has moved from country to country in Europe for the last seven years working. He voted in September and has no intention of staying here.

How could a Russian citizen vote in a Scottish referendum/election? Russia is not an EU country.

As I understood it, British and EU citizens (plus (some) Commonwealth citizens?) resident in Scotland had the vote.

Maybe it all boils down to the joke of an electoral roll the UK (including Scotland) has.

I lived and worked in Scotland for years and had made Scotland my home. As an EU citizen I had the vote in Scottish GE (Holyrood) but not in UK GE (Westminster).

I think I would’ve been well justified in voting in the referendum because I’d planned to live in Scotland for the rest of my life. Then life and family circumstances intervened (not in a good way) and I had to move back to Finland (for the time being) so, of course, no vote.

The funny thing is that as an ex-pat Finnish citizen, I would’ve been entitled to vote in the Finnish GE even when I lived in Scotland (quirk of Finnish law). I didn’t, because I felt that as I didn’t live in Finland, I shouldn’t interfere.

Well, now I’m back in Finland and we have our GE coming up on 19.4. The only party that has even raised the issue of TTIP is the Greens. They’ll get my vote.

@Alex Waugh says:

Sincere apologies for double post. Cat sat on my hand while I was submitting.

Try using a mouse instead as they don’t purr.

My double posts are sometimes blocked with ‘you’ve already said that’ message, sometimes the operative word.

Thanks to all those who have made kind supportive comments. I have one last comment to make, which is in response to Grousebeater. Even though you are a prick, Grousebeater, I would still defend your right to vote. Unlike you, I am a civic, not an ethnic, nationalist.

I won’t be commenting further on this. I’m glad I stood up for what I believe in, but to continue this argument does play into the hands of the unionists.

By the way, Onwards, thanks for your clarifying post in response to my comment. Sorry I jumped down your throat.

This analysis of the who what and where of the Ref is legitimate. It’s timing is not. It was designed to divide and conquer….witness Radio Scotland using it to broadcast more aural shite.

Natasha and the English born voters on here need not take offence or regret their allegiance to Independence. The critics of ‘settlers’ have been clumsy and wrong.

Scotland is vulnerable as a small colony of the UK to population movement from RUK. The majority of these people have an automatic vote and appear from the stats to view Scotland as part of that UK. Therefore, this is a long term threat to Scotland’s aspirations as an Independent State.

This is not ethnicity, it is imperialism. We have native born ‘Brits’ usually old, rural and or bigoted. Together with the ‘fearties’ they currently make up 55% of our voting population. The increase in ‘British’ internal immigration to Scotland poses a tremendous threat to sustaining a built in majority against Independence.

The only way to change this is for people in Scotland to have a recognised legal identity, that of ‘Scottish’ and have it open to all who reside here, with the usual qualifications as elsewhere in the liberal world. Those home grown ‘No’s will remain as before, but have no vote. They would be resident ‘aliens’. The new ‘Scots’ would be welcomed with open arms e.g. Natasha etc.

The problem is that as long as we are not a nation state, we cannot prevent long term RUK movement into Scotland being a political threat to our aspirations.

This is not racism, it is pragmatic recognition that ‘British’ immigration brings larger numbers of prospective ‘NO’ voters. We can only prevent this legally by establishing Scottish citizenship for all those irrespective of race, colour or religion who want to be thus.

Robert Kerr: A comment in Spectator re Gordon Brown

Almost missed your post, Robert. Intriguing doggerel.

I got the impression Brown assumed his destiny was UK PM only to discover he did not have the ability or personality to sustain it.

Having lost Rome he then set about gaining a place in history by saving Scotland from itself … only to mess up that too. Anyhow, thanks for the quotation.

The question marks were bullets in the original and looked like empty squares when I copied and pasted.

I thought I’d also checked the preview box, but clearly not.
Apologies, though it is intelligible enough, I hope.

Natasha: I would still defend your right to vote.

I am relieved. And no one, no one I know, has ever called me ‘mate’ who didn’t get a piece of my mind.

@truth.
Not wanting to get into the rights and wrongs of who can vote and who cannot, but I had a young Russian family staying next door to me during the referendum.
They had previously stayed in Ireland and in England then settled here. They love it here and, I think, intend staying here.
They receive no benefits from the UK and have had 2 children born here.
The father is doing a degree at Stirling university paying his and his family way. He has job placements around the EU, the sort of couple you want to keep in Scotland.
I’m drifting away from the main point and that point is that they didn’t have a vote, but they told me that they would have voted YES for Independence if they did. They even drove around town with a YES sticker on their car window.
Hopefully next time they’ll have a vote 😉

@Papadox says: 28 March, 2015 at 6:35 pm:

“However we need rid of the English Bullshit Corporation and their Home Counties propaganda bias. They are the mouthpiece of WESTMINSTER and the establishment transmitting their propaganda to support the rancid WESTMINSTER system.”

Can I now highlight the tiresome things I have so often bleated on about? For now is a great example of why, and how, the , “Establishment’s”, brainwashing has been so effective for so long.

The above bit from Papadox is a typical example of how it works.

We must not do their propaganda for them, but lazy and unaware use of their brainwashing is so easy to fall into.
As I keep harping on about the terms, Britain, United Kingdom, Great Britain, England and British are all distinct and very precise terms. When any of us slips up and misuses these terms we are playing the Establishment’s game for them.

Now look at Papadox’s claims above again : –

“However we need rid of the ENGLISH Bullshit Corporation and their Home Counties propaganda bias. They are the mouthpiece of WESTMINSTER and the establishment transmitting their propaganda to support the rancid WESTMINSTER system.”

I’m sure Papadox did not intend to slight the English in the above rant as it is obvious his rant is against the “Establishment of Westminster”, and not the good people of England but Papadox fell into the Establishment of Westminster propaganda trap and used the term English when he meant Establishment and/or Westminster.

I’ve pointed out before how the very worst offender of this propaganda is none other than David Cameron and I’m certain, in Cameron’s case he does so deliberately.

Please do not fall for their propaganda. I know we have all been subjected to it from birth – but we can – and should – make the effort to avoid doing so. The Enemy are not our counterparts in the other UK countries for they are as much subject to the Westminster Establishment’s abuse as we are.

When all else is said and done the United Kingdom is still a very rich place and the poverty and austerity are artificially engineered. The truth that stares us all in the face is that under the Establishment’s rule the poor have continued to become ever more poor on direct relation to the growth of the richness of the rich. It ain’t rocket Science – its, deliberate Neoliberal Economic Policy”,

There are millions of Russians in the EU. They got unintentionally cut off when the USSR was suddenly collapsed by the idiot Yeltsin.

I have several in my constituency who regularly vote for me. The third most common language on my page is Russian.

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I never realized how hard the rev worked until he left the site unattended. No wonder he needed some time off. This site wouldn’t last a week without him. It’s like the invasion of the body thnatchers. Only another 24hrs though and sanity will return.

Anyone notice , on the national news the attendance at the conference was 2000, then a reporter on the Scottish news said it was over 3000, running true to form!!!!!!

Dr. Jim’s point seemed to be that he didn’t agree with you about the franchise for the referendum. He is of course entitled to that view, but some of us did not like the way he expressed himself and others didn’t think it was helpful. No-one said he wasn’t entitled to express those views.

If that makes us ‘outrage trolls’ then perhaps I could throw in a quick ‘pot/kettle’ comment Defo. Why not direct your ire where it will do more good? It is difficult to see how insulting other posters on here is helpful.

The report was released six months after the indyref but six weeks before the GE, with the SNP coasting high in the polls. Isn’t it pretty obvious why it was released now? To sow seeds of discord – as it has done even here on Wings – and to provoke a reaction that allows the MSM to portray all YES voters as “blood and soil nationalists”. Some people here have fallen right into their trap.

Exactly.

Look out though, you will be called an ‘outrage troll’

The question marks in my last post were put in by WINGS – not me.

I presume the Rev or his staff do not speak Russian and took it out in case I said something offensive.

what I Typed in Cyrillic text was ‘I speak Russian and often use it when I go canvassing’

That is because the are a lot of Russian speaking voters in my area.

Took two days for us to start eating ourselves I see.

People seem to be be getting anal on hypothetical technical matters of eligibility,but it sounds more like superficial musings rather than entrenched dogma.

I am more vexed at born and bred Scots voting No than immigrants to Scotland who don’t get the’Scottish’ thing.

All countries have their tribal elements. A friend of mine from Bury says he can’t stand Scousers,and obviously doesn’t like Yorkshiremen.He is a retired Classics teacher and impossible not to like,says he doesn’t like Scots either,and voted No.It takes all sorts.I doubt he harbours these feelings deep down.

Lolliesmum and Natasha.You are welcome here and nothing anyone has said should make you feel otherwise.We have our own issues like any other people,but no more so.

@ Cadogan

I doubt if it was the content of what you posted as much as the script, which may not be supported. That is the same reason why I got question marks instead of bullet points.

Have you gays and gals not been paying attention again?
Christian Allard is a Frenchman, born in France and has entered the Scottish Parliament as an SNP MSP.

link to news.stv.tv

He replaces Mark McDonald who resigned his seat to stand as candidate in the Aberdeen Donside by-election. Furthermore there are at least 6 English Born already elected to office members of the SNP and many hundreds of English born party members and not a few others born in other countries, many with no Scottish family history.

lumilumi says:
28 March, 2015 at 8:51 pm

…. six weeks before the GE, with the SNP coasting high in the polls. Isn’t it pretty obvious why it was released now?

Indeed, and by amzing coincidence, C4 are showing “Coalition” tonight, no doubt to reinforce the idea that the largest party forms the government.

This is a well coordinated attempt to manipulate the electorate.

The conference

link to weegingerdug.wordpress.com

@Capella

You can catch up on livestream as all videos are archived.

http://www.independencelive.net

From some peoples posts on here they should be voting for this lot who will solve their personal issues.

link to newstatesman.com

@Cadogan Enright

Forres still has the Yes signs on the high street above the computer shop, I think.

@ Wuffing Dug

“How’s life living in Germany at the minute?
I’m an engineer, with the situation in the oil industry at the minute looking at my options.

I worked in the heavy automotive sector before going back to oil. Got an e mail not long ago about working in diesel engine design for a German manufacturer, got me thinking.

vielen Dank

Dug”
—————-
Hi Dug!

Germany is awash in money, the last few years have been good.

It also has to do with the fact that Germany is an engineers paradise, designing and manufacturing products of high quality which are exported worldwide.

Germany is the no.1 exporter in the world before China and the USA. and that in spite of the higher standard of salaries.

The universities/technical colleges are trying to cope with the demand for engineers but the country needs more so they tend to look abroad for them.

Maybe this is why you’ve been approached.

Anything to do with cars, lorrys, engines, suppliers to the industry in general belong to the backbone of the German economy.

The pay is good, engineers are respected people compared to the UK where it seems the spivs in the banks dominate.

Remember it’s always good for your CV. if you can say you worked for a top German company. 😉

I’d do it.

@ Hoss Mackintosh, alexicon , dakk and Cadogan Enright:

That’s what I call Wingers.

We go forward together or not at all.

Let’s go forward.

Good night, all.

muttley79 says:
28 March, 2015 at 7:16 pm

“@Lollysmum

I would not pay attention to what a few individuals think. They damage their own cause, but they will refuse to see that unfortunately. I do not believe the vast majority of independence supporters would have any truck with their views on who should get the vote or not. I believe everyone who lives in Scotland should have the right to vote, regardless of nationality, or any other category like that.”
———————–

I think the VAST majority of SNP members agree with that.

The simplest and fairest vote was for people on the electoral roll in Scotland.

People are hurt at the result, and will occasionally lash out at various targets, without considering the consequences.

At the end of the day, not enough people were convinced of the economic case. Project Fear did its job, with the help of the BBC and the media.

Only around 30% of No voters said their number one reason was a UK loyalty and identity.

That leaves around 70% of No voters that could have been convinced if we had won the economic argument.

And we only need a 6% swing to win the next time.

That’s why Devo-Max is an essential next step.

To DEMONSTRATE that Scotland can collect taxes and pay its way, not just spend a block grant.

Personally, I would even vote for Devo-Max if we were worse off for a few years, under the current set-up.

Running your own affairs is an investment in the future.

It’s like starting your own business – the first few years might be tough, but it pays off down the line.

@ Grouse Beater 9.19pm
Scots Renewables: To sow seeds of discord as it has done even here on Wings

To set the record straight, Scots Renewables was quoting me.

I agree that it is unproductive to insult fellow commenters.

I don’t agree with you on impossible targets. Hard, yes, but not impossible. Don’t give up and lash out, or look for scapegoats.

lumilumi

Please folks stop fighting 🙁 – go and read Wee Ginger Dug and re-focus on the prize which is in danger of being lost if we don’t. Thank you xxx

I don’t think Scotland’s ever going to get independence, the powers that be are too powerful. Devo max is the only way forward. No voters I know were all voting no because they thought they would be worse off. It didn’t matter how much they had, how rich or poor they were, it could have been a possible mortgage cost rise that newly weds couldn’t cope with, it could be a stinking rich Aberdeen oil lawyer who wasn’t paying Salmond a penny fcuking more in tax. Such is the power of BBC style Project Fear terrorising the populace. It works perfectly.

These are the proud Scot buts that will only ever vote YES if they are safe in the knowledge that they will do even better in a Scotland that runs its own economy and its why devo max is scaring the shit out of all our chums in the south.

Also all most no’s I know are not so nice anyway, where ever they come from.

Flipper taught him well….

“Jim Murphy, the Labour party leader in Scotland, owns a property bought with help from the taxpayer just two miles from the Palace of Westminster, which he let out. Over two years from 2012/13 he claimed £39,372 to rent another London flat for himself.”

link to channel4.com

#explainthatyabass

Hey guys

Not invalid to offer suggestions as to who should vote in an election.

Is it worthwhile discussing it now. Nothing can change for the general election and all our efforts should be concentrating on that event.

I did throw my tuppence worth in earlier about voting rights and regret that now as it is neither the time nor the place.

Let’s work today for the big immediate prize which is surely within our grasp.

Of course your wife is Scottish, Ignore the holier than thou posters on this site and there are quite a few. Just saying.

I’m not angry or having a go at anyone here, just stating a fact. 😉
People are, after all, entitled to their opinion even if I feel it is wrong sometimes.

Fantastic speech by Nicola this afternoon, laying out the priorities of the SNP very clearly. Now we need to make sure the opinion polls become reality.

Many, many people who fought long and hard to help secure Scottish independence in the past, are no longer with us, to enjoy where we are now.

So to those greetin about things in this thread earlier, they need to wise up. So far as the long struggle for Scottish independence goes, WE are the lucky ones, now in 2015. We have a class A team working on our behalf in the SNP and Scottish Government, and record level support from the Scottish electorate.

It is a privilege that those who came before us NEVER had.

The chance in May is ours for taking. Stop falling for agents provocateurs (they are here) and those who clearly wish to divide us, whilst Rev Stu is away. Think before posting.

Oh, and if you haven’t seen the speech by Nicola, then check it out. In addition, Stewart Hosie and Angus Robertson were both on top, top form when interviewed today. Seriously impressive.

@Grouse Beater says: 28 March, 2015 at 8:00 pm

” … plus research showing we are all related to Northern English in genes, Irish too
…”.

“It seems our culture, mores, traditions, and language are destined to die out. (No need for BBC Scotland .

Sheeeeesh! Are you really that dim? Don’t you know your own country’s history? The Highlanders have already, (twice), changed/adopted a different mode of dress. First for practical reasons, (and wrongly claimed to be an English invention).

The, “Breacan an Fhéilidh” or belted plaid, and the , “Feileadh Mòr”, or (great plaid), evolved over the whole 16th century. It came from the earlier ‘brat’ , (a woollen cloak), also known as a plaid, was worn over a tunic. It probably was plain in colour or of check or tartan pattern depending on the wealth of the wearer. This fashion hadn’t much changed from that worn by Celtic warriors back in Roman times.

During the 16th century, as wool became more available, the cloak grew in size and began to be gathered up and belted round the waste.. This belted plaid first began as a length of thick woollen cloth formed by stitching two loom widths together. This gave a width of 54 – 60 inches and was up to 7 yards long.

This garment, was also known as, “The Great Kilt”, which was gathered into pleats by hand and held by a wide belt. The upper half could be thrown over the shoulder as a cloak over the left shoulder where it hung down over the belt and was gathered up at the front. It could also be brought up over the shoulders or head for protection against bad weather.

It was worn over a, “léine”, (a full-sleeved garment that stopping just below the waist). This, “Great Kilt”, could also serve as a camping blanket.

When the Highlanders were suppressed and when many came to the central belt for work they often worked in the hot and dangerous iron works. The Great Kilt first got separated from the cloak, (or plaid), part of the Great Kilt for safety and coolness and this led to the short kilt belted at the waste.

You did know that the Establishment banned the wearing of Highland Dress, the playing of the pipes and the speaking of both Gaelic and Lallans Scots – didn’t you?

Yer jist a wee puckle late wi yer thochts aboot whit wi maun hae tae dae if we dinna free oorsels frae the Establishment.

BTW: Don’t you know about how the Establishment attempted to dictate what we could wear in the 60’s and 70’s? The demonising of the Teddy Boys and then the wars between the Mods & Rockers?

cynicalHighlander 9:38pm
yes its still there I pass it occasionally and it gives me a wee lift every time!

Another favourite is the saltire tied to a tree next to the M80 near Cumbernauld.

In fact theyre all over the place 🙂 fair gladdens ma heart to see them

Anybody else got their favourite saltires and Yes’s that brighten their day?

@ Grouse Beater at 8pm.
What they’re trying here is

” he’s a good local man, lived here and worked here all his life, it’s not really the party, it’s the man.”

I’m countering with:
Let him resign from the Labour party and stand as an independent then. Distance himself from the policies of the party and let him stand on his own merit.

They go awful quiet at that.

New poll shows SNP on 32 seats – sounds more realistic to me than clearing the decks of Labour.

Just had a quick Speed Read thro the thread .

This must be the first night in 18 months I can’t be ar@@d reading it properly .

Please remember these posts are more or less here for ever .

I want to say hello to Paul………. , somehow your post with my Gravitar / Avatar landed on my FB page .Paul , remind me what the punishment is for stealing my property ?

Paul I am honoured that you wish to borrow it . I was pleased to to read the complimentary comments your friends left. Thank you.

Truth is I did not make it either , I too borrowed it , I would very much like to thank the person who did design it.
I think it encapsulates a lot about Scotland .
I found it on line a few years back by accident .

Joemcg says:
28 March, 2015 at 7:47 pm
Fiona- he said he “hated Salmond and Sturgeon!” Great reason eh?

Same reason I got from no voting friends from this country, though. Even from folk I otherwise really respect. And it is certainly not indifference or carelessness:it is quite heartfelt

@cynicalhylandery 9.38

We must post a diagram of how to hang the wee YES saltires out people’s windows like that so others don’t have to go through the learning process – is that Brian?

Wow, a lot of English wingers taking offence at what some Scottish wingers have said. Name calling and grumpy exchanges and a lot of frustration. I find I seriously cannot take offence at the ‘incomer’ stuff or the ‘get off of moi land’ vibes…it is borne out of understandable frustration. The Scots get such a bashing in the media here and further South it must be wearing.

Everyone on here wants Independence or Devo or at least something better than what we have got. Let’s direct the passion outwards at the bastards who are determined to neuter this fine country. Let’s temper our emotions and focus on the bigger picture. And let’s show the Rev that we have learned summat since September.

I’ve learned Scotland is bigger than all of us.
And made of us…
for us.

Amen.

From an atheist that last bit is a bit rich, I guess.

Gerry Parker: They go awful quiet at that.

I enjoyed that reposte.

Scots Renewables: No. It was announced minutes ago on SKY’s look at the Sundays, the programme on behind me.

Incidentally – this is aimed primarily at the shrieking harpy – I’m half-Sicilian. Abuse and pretendy PC orthodoxy of ‘shut up, ethnic nationalist’ emotionalising a Saturday debate, can be stuck right back up the poster’s snotty nose where it belongs.

🙂

. It was announced minutes ago on SKY’s look at the Sundays
Which paper? Was it a Scotland-only poll or a subsample of a UK-wide poll?

Just curious, not hassling you (much) 🙂

Scots Renewables

I suspect a sub-sample of a UK Yougov poll in the Sunday Times. Their sub-samples have been all over the place this week. See Scots Goes Pop for more details.

@JET JOCKEY says: 28 March, 2015 at 8:51 pm:

“Anyone notice , on the national news the attendance at the conference was 2000, then a reporter on the Scottish news said it was over 3000, running true to form!!!!!!”

Yes, Jet Jockey, and I saw the BBC’s Gary Robinson getting all shouty, indignant and arrogantly overbearing with Nicola. He seemed quite upset claiming Alex Salmond was winding up the Establishment wallahs for fun. Wee Nicola put his gas at a peep in an instant. It made me smile broadly.

Brian Doonthetoon says:

“there are a lot of Wingers on here, who should make every attempt to be at the get-together in the Counting House in Glasgow, on 1st May.”

Shhh, Brian, if yer no careful thon Ronnie Anderson’ll turn up an’ he’ll likely be on th Bru. Ah’m no sure aboot his geneology, ye ken 😉

Scots Renewables: Which paper?

I think the pundits were discussing the Sunday Times. Mind you, Nicola sturgeon is getting lots of media chatter.

In between discussing new tactics for the next Referendum, I completed in the last two hours a 1,500 plus word essay on ‘Top Gear’ for my next blog to be posted at midnight, completed the days accounts, written five letters to friends and colleagues, read and answered by e-mail an art catalogue sent to me in courtesy that makes scant mention, stingy praise of the best artist in it by miles – a world famous Scot, of course – but praises English domiciled second-rate, and tentatively picked up and binned broken glass from a tumbler that fell of the kitchen worktop. I wouldn’t want folk to think I post on Wings for a living.

🙂

I work offshore,on the rigs,perhaps you might find this of interest,when you arrive on a rig for the first time (typically 150 people onboard)’as part of the safety induction you have to a desk top pc and carry out a psychometric analysis.

This typically involves answering the same questions,as everyone else has answered,there are no wrong answers,the questions never change.

depending on your answers,your are put into a category and a coloured sticker is displayed on
your hard hat (very american).

Green/Blue – Thinks about it then acts
Yellow/Green- Acts then thinks about it

The point is there are people with a different view point on how to problem solve albeit, with one objective,offshore it is safety/production.

When you write/read a post please bear this in mind,we all have the objectives (trolls aside),we should cut each other some slack.

Rev. Hurry back

@Robert Peffers 10:32 says “… Then came the Romans who must not have interbred or we would all be Latinos now. …”

I sometimes wonder about that. Although as far as I (vaguely) recall the legions stationed in Britain did not come from Italy at all, more like from the EU. So it seems to me it’s anybody’s guess, this thing about interbreeding.

@Scots Renewables says:28 March, 2015 at 8:52 pm:

” … If that makes us ‘outrage trolls’ then perhaps I could throw in a quick ‘pot/kettle’ comment Defo. Why not direct your ire where it will do more good? It is difficult to see how insulting other posters on here is helpful.”

You have the right of it, Scots Renewables, for the definition of a troll is – “One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.”

Thus, if persons in the newsgroup or message board are getting outraged it is due to the trolls, “deliberately provocative message”.

However I already posted that I suspect the real trolls are the Establishment who published the rather suspect survey. Those now showing anti-non-Scots abuse are just, (not very), innocent victims who really should know better.

Until you learn to swim
you’ve no idea what it’s like.

But once you’ve learned and overcome your fear
it’s great- and so easy, so natural.

Every other country has learned how to be independent
except Scotland. Help ma boab!

X_Sticks – I will be there, whip in hand.

@kendomacaroonbar

I take you meant newsagent ken 🙂 Does that mean you have gone nationwide now?

Supporters of Independence there is not a better way to spend £3.99 in a newsagents. Please support if you can.

@Hoss Mackintosh says: 28 March, 2015 at 8:57 pm:

” … We lost the referendum due to the True Scots, many who I also know, who did not have the courage and imagination to free their own country.”

It can hardly be a secret that the opposition to, “The YES”, campaign were officially none other than the Establishment Unionist, “Better Together”, Group.

Now can anyone honestly imagine, in their wildest dreams, that they were really other than the London Labour Branch Office, who are almost to the last man/woman native born Patriotic, (To London), Proud Scots Butts, (did I spell that correctly)?

These were, of course, financially backed by the Tory and LibDems who were also mainly patriotic, (to London), proud Scots Butts, (anyone got a dictionary). Their combined supporters were also mainly Patriotic, (to London), Proud Scots Butts. (Ah! Just found my urban Dictionary and I did spell Butts correctly as it means arses.

@Fiona 11.42pm

All information gratefully received. Will check it out.

Thanx

Foor those weary of clipped Wings:

‘Clarkson, and the Death of Laddism’: link to wp.me

@ cynicalHighlander
Thanks for the link to Independence Live but I don’t see any conference footage there. Maybe it will appear in time – I will check back!

I find it absolutely unacceptable that, 40 days out from an election, the most important party conference in Scotland is not covered by the BBC (ie state broadcaster). It’s tantamount to a news blackout.

However, it was good that Nicola started her speech (not captured on the Livestream video) with the announcement of over 102,000 members. That means that around 2,000 have joined in the past week or so! So much for the Westminster propaganda machine! They must be wondering what on earth is going on?
link to youtube.com

@Thepnr

I did…my brain hurts….:-(

manand boy – lesson learnt

Capella: the announcement of over 102,000 members.

Remarkable.

My wife is SNP and was her provost father, but neither thought they’d see the day.

@Breastplate says:
29 March, 2015 at 12:07 am
“I believe people are missing the point.
Should Scotland be an independent country? The problem was most people were answering another question that they had made up in their own heads.”
Exactly this! Most no voters would be hard pressed to answer “what was the actual question on the ballot paper.” Try it, you will be amazed at the answers you might get. The establishment did a very good propaganda job.

Nicola’s speech, in full…just superb!

For the insomniacs 🙂

link to youtube.com

@ Almannysbunnet, nice of you to agree as it means I’m not mad or if I am, I’m not alone 🙂
Past my bedtime so goodnight to all.

some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

not for your opinions, which you’re free to express.

you know why.

Crap, forgot the clocks go forward so it’s what, 2am now? Well better go get sleep. Thanks for that link K1, will be watching it again.

Fiona says:
28 March, 2015 at 10:49 pm

Same reason I got from no voting friends from this country, though. Even from folk I otherwise really respect. And it is certainly not indifference or carelessness:it is quite heartfelt

The constant media demonisation of Alex Salmond was always going to have an effect on some people.

He is STILL getting treated like the leader, because they have built up so much mileage in that tactic.

Right now he is getting a lot of flak about his book tour, and ordering champagne to celebrate. You have to hype a book and do publicity tours, but it is starting to get used against us.

It would be asking a lot, but I really hope he donates a portion of the book advance to charity, or to a food-bank or something.

I understand he has already pledged his first ministers pension to charity, and his MSP salary if he is elected as an MP. Not many people seem to know that though.

SNP politicians are generally held to higher standards – whether that is fair or not – they represent change.

@ Onwards

It would be asking a lot, but I really hope he donates a portion of the book advance to charity, or to a food-bank or something.

I have a vague memory he did say he was going to do that, at a meeting I attended a few weeks ago, but I might be muddling it up with the other donations you mentioned.

@Robert Peffers
at 2:09

Sorry robert but i have to disagree about the following.

“When the Highlanders were suppressed and when many came to the central belt for work they often worked in the hot and dangerous iron works. The Great Kilt first got separated from the cloak, (or plaid), part of the Great Kilt for safety and coolness and this led to the short kilt belted at the waste.”

One assumes that if they were working in iron foundries then it would be post industrial revolution. So how come “the Small Kilt” is proscribed in the dress act of 1746 which was pre industrial revolution?

There is also a similar myth perpetrated that it was highlanders working for builders in the highlands that were building the “castles” like Balmoral for example that took to the small kilt. once again all well after 1746.

It was as much about status and fashion as anything else. As the highlands became more “civilised” with the coming of Wades roads etc the need to sleep out in the heather became less important (if you were wealthy) and the great kilt has its drawbacks. For example you could arrive at your destination soaking wet with the rain and your only option would be to hang around in your shirt tails while your seven yards of double width woolen kilt dried out. (Granted shirt tails were much longer than the modern equivalent)

I say this as a occasional wearer of the great kilt. the next occasion will hopefully be at the annual commemoration of the battle of Culloden in a couple of weeks time.

I see there have been death threats made to the Director General of the BBC over the sacking of Jeremy Clarkson.

Over half a nation suffered through biased, scaremongering and ultimately goal achieving BBC Scottish referendum coverage but maintained it’s dignity. Indeed, nothing has changed today in the BBC’s reporting.

One racist, bigoted, adulterous, violent, misogynistic English TV presenter gets sacked for verbal and physical assault, after years of getting away with it and being protected from the inside.

Is it just me, or is there a sense of irony in there somewhere?

The worst wings weekend ever!

When the enemy’s at the gate you dont sit in your tent
tickling your own fancy.

Beware of greetin faces flogging dead horses,the referendum
is over…just to get it was a massive step forward for this
country.

People are the same all over the world,all over the world
people are manipulated by those in power..if someone needs
help to see through the bullshit…help them.

That’s what this site is for,……..IS’NT IT?