Wings Over Scotland

A case of forked tongue, methinks.

In other words do as I say, not as I do. The party of hypocrisy. If this was poker you would have to show her your hand, whilst you would just have to take her word that she’s got a winning hand without ever seeing the cards.

So basically we are in the situation where it is a case of:

“Don’t do as I do … do as I say … or else!” 😀

“WE are the party of government … in England … so it is only right and fitting that WE get to choose who decides what is said about Brexit/independence … and WHEN it is said!” 😛

Ruth Davidson is no more than an opportunistic Westminster mouthpiece puppet, who will say anything to appease her ruling masters in their effort to keep Scotland down.

Clear as the pond at the bottom of my garden.

*hint* I don’t have a pond.

Tories: will always do the right thing…for them, their friends and those who help them up their greasy pole.

Same as it ever was and anyone thinking they “seem pretty fair”, as told to me recently! needn’t look to me for sympathy when they get f**ked by Tory policies. 🙁

Two faced waste of space who is now retracting her early support for remain. Usual politico toeing the party line to suit her own needs.

Darling of the media for her and her party’s showing in the Scottish elections.

Tory through and through with no great substance to argue for Scotland or her people.

Come the next indyref she will have to front the No campaign along with whoever is in charge of the Labour Party in Scotland and Wille Rennie. There will be no Scottish MPs to fight the no cause but I presume they will resurrect the usual suspects including Paw Broon and whoever else they can muster.

Exceptionalism and entitlement.

The rules haven’t changed, there is one set for the ruling class and another set for the commoners.

May as leader of the Tories and PM of England, is by definition, elite.

Everyone in the SNP are not only Bad, but ever so common. 🙂

Davidson would love to be one of the ruling elites too. Sadly, she’s Scottish, so has nae chance.

Just as we thought Kezia Dugdale or Willie Rennie were a shoo-on for Great British Inept Party Leader.

Looks like further evidence that Fat Boab Davidson is a two faced liar.

One rule for the rich Tories and no rules for the plebs, especially Scottish ones.

I couldn’t stomach watching that wee cretin on TV, but I’d be astonished if the Westminster supporting host enquired about her Guaranteed Promise of a major ship building order
for the Clyde, that was reduced, then delayed, and now sunk
on the sea bed along with all the other Tory Lies.

Looks as though the Conservative and unionist party have picked up where the Unionist Labour party left off.

See my post of yesterday. We are in the middle stages of the murphyfication of Davidson. It will inevitably become apparent to the well informed (if it is not already so) that she is without serious political ability and then somebody laughs and she becomes a liability.
Then we get Murdo (or the professor).

She’s the human equivalent of a speed bump, and just as charismatic.

Sigh. So what’s new. You lot (us) do as your told. I demand every bitty detail of your indy ref2 plans, now, this very minute. She seems to be obsessed with indy ref and it hasn’t even been called yet. Strange woman Rooth the mooth.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, right Roothie, what’s the plan from your tory government for brexit, which is mighty important for the UK. How very day you common people ask that. It’s none of your business. I’ll not tell you anything till I want to, plebs.

Get back in your box and eat your cereal.

I’m long past the stage of caring what any of the tories of all colours at Holyrood have to say. How about they actually get back to what their day job should be, like, oh, scrutising SG policies and working on what’s best for Scotland. SNP bad does not make good opposition.

Its for our own good. They saved us from Scotland actually being run by the people of Scotland and now they’re saving us from er, being EU citizens too.

It must be true, BBC Scotland says vote tory Ruth. They used to tell us to vote tory Kez but dont seem to do that with the same conviction they once had, a few months back.

It makes you aware of how much the MSM have to window dress the opposition in Scotland to make them credible. Having invested their time and energy in Dugdale to no avail, and now Davidson, you can see why they take the job on themselves.

Her crack team of uberYoons are ‘terrifying’- you would certainly never see any of them on a Tory Party boondoggle. Also good to see Adam Tomkins getting a wee shout as we never really see or hear anything from him.

Also poor Ms McFadyen appears to have gone full Yoon now.

I wonder how long it will take wee Ruthie the Leetle tankette commander before she goes all SNP BAAAD over this! 😉

link to archive.is

It looks like wee Ruthie the Leetle tankette commander can not escape the xenophobia that is the Tory party. The Consular Councillor for French Nationals has written to her now. 😀

link to twitter.com

Just in regard to comments on last thread about Nissan.

Not sure how many were aware, but Nissan were furious for months with the Leave campaign, on a point of principle.

Leave used a lot of car logos, including Nissan, in a leaflet, asserting that all those car manufacturers said they would stay in the UK, regardless of the vote.

This was a blatant lie. Nissan advised Leave, as recently as 21June, 2016, they were taking legal action against the Leave campaign.

Not sure where it is now, probably academic, but UK had already upset Nissan greatly.

I have never rated Ruth Davidson as a politician, she is in the same category as Kezia Dugdale, both have no substance to them.

She’s grown into the job though as top tory of the Scotland region. BBC ligger, dole, list tory MSP, 6 months in, offered Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party leader. So meteoric rise to teamGB greatness, torboys spotted real talent for thousands and thousands of photo ops of Ruth, arsing about in Scotland, last GE.

And Ruth’s a working class tory too, which as we all know in Scotland, being a working class tory is the very very best kind of tory to have. Upper class tories are hopeless.

Also, my Slovene girlfriend and Ruth’s standard bearer in chief says he lives in a one party state, but he’s frightfully annoyed at told he’s a working class tory. That’s just a wee note to Glasgow freshers this year.

This was very good but Prof T gave it a miss

link to socialfeed.info

Effijy at 11:13.
Ms Davidson’s behaviour may be that of “a two faced liar”, but it’s not helpful to say “Fat Boab Davidson is a two faced liar”.

Looks a the support Jeremy Corbyn gets from people who notice that he never says anything nasty about anyone. We need all the support we can get!

The new TNS poll has Yes on 47% and No on 53%, yet a poll being conducting today by the Unionist Scotsman has currently YES on 61% and no on 35%.
So what`s going on.

The new TNS poll has Yes on 47% and No on 53%, yet a poll being conducting today by the Unionist Scotsman has currently YES on 61% and no on 35%.
So what`s going on.

Check the pollsters questions, which often freak out the respondent and end with, “If there was a Scottish independence referendum tomorrow, would you vote YES or NO?”

I could be wrong but people are cautious in these things at best, there clearly isn’t a ref tomorrow and if there really was one, and it was YES, imagine the catastrofuck up our imperial master baiters in merry olde London would make of all of it. See Brexit.

I can remember Ruth Davidson when she was on Newsdrive on BBC Radio Scotland. She came across as opinionated then and always seemed as if she had just done the jolly hockeysticks thing. In another life Ruth would have been a strong advocate for Cheltenham Girls School and I am sure her hidden agenda is to turn Scottish education into a version of Edinburgh education.

Ruth’s lot sound increasingly like UKIP, racist and reactionary. I am constantly surprised by how quickly the media transferred their free ride from Labour to the Tories.

Any Unionist port in a storm eh guys? 🙂

There’s only one thing worse than a lying angry hypocrite…Ruth Davidson.

‘They plan on using our resources to barter for their own benefit.’

Exactly Bob.

They’ve got sweet fuck all else to barter with.

I think the increasingly obvious reason that Ruth bangs on about independence and the Yoonion whilst waving 15 Union Jacks is that if the public got sight of what her party in Scotland is really like they would be back down to 14% in flash.

It isn’t that she has nothing to say, like poor Kezia, but that she dare not say it.

How BBC Misreporting Scotland operates…

link to imgur.com

As I’ve always stated.

What’s worse than an English Tory. Answer – A Scots Tory!!!

Typical Tories,they think the rules are different just for them.

Surely no one is surprised that rooth the mooth is two faced – one rule for us and another for the plebs, its what the tories are and always have been. She never has had Scotlands interests at heart just another mouth piece for WM. She has no substance only self gratification and a ridiculous notion of entitlement and ‘we know best’ with a mission to keep Scotland paying for WM and the south while telling us we are too wee, too poor etc. She is very much like Kez and blows in whatever direction Westminster demands.

The Herald having a beanfeast of anti-indy this week and it’s only Tuesday e.g. yesterday and today letters page headlines and letters and also yesterday’s anoymous Pinstripe from a “financial guru”.

Also they seem to be using lots of agency material these days which reads like an outsider’s view of Scotland. Must be because they paid off most of their journalists and now depend on contributors who keep saying the same thing using different words. What a shadow of a once great newspaper.

‘You must show your hand but we’re not showing ours’. Hmmm…

The trick Moothie is trying to pull here is that she is not really a Tory. What Teresa May does/doesn’t do has actually nothing to do with Moothie. Moothie is clean, one stage removed.

Does this ruse wash? Only with the gullible, and I suspect, the meeja.

Before it goes into history as a fact, there was a Plan B for currency and a Plan C!

Ruth Davidson has been groomed as Scottish Tory leader for a long time. Here’s a video called “Dispatches – inside Britain’s Israel Lobby”, a Channel 4 investigation by Peter Oborne of the enormous influence of the Israeli lobby on British politics.

It includes footage of David Cameron addressing the Conservative Friends of Israel. A wee clip shows David Cameron, Annabel Goldie (then Scottish Conservative leader) and Ruth Davidson emerging from a Conference together. It must have been shot pre- 2009 General Election. At 16 mins 50 secs in.

link to youtube.com

Maybe Adam Tomkins, Jerusalem Professor of National Security, was also present.

We, in Scotland, are trained to accept another country making our political decisions for us, regardless of how we vote. But, at least in the case of Westminster, more of us are aware of it.

I am glad the Rev is focusing on Moothie. She is far worse than Kez in her sense of entitlement and superiority, and her disdain for Scotland. Not to mention her poisonous attempts to subvert democracy in Scotland by supporting the insupportable, our being dragged out of the EU against our will and national interest.

Grey Dug says:

“exiting, on terms which are unacceptable to the 48% who voted Remain, and to most of the 52% who voted Leave.”

During the campaign the Leave sales pitch was one of hard Brexit … well all the bits which would appeal and none of the disadvantages. There was to be minimal movement of people. Many millions who voted Leave did so for that very reason.

The UK or rUK, depending on how things work out here, might have hard Brexit but there are a lot of indications it might be soft-ish.

So, as you say, few will be happy. The UK/ rUK might end up with movement, trade, and financial contributions much as it is, but no representation in Brussels.

The Remains will say, what was the point of that?

The Leaves will say, this isn’t the Brexit we voted for!

Biggest political fck up for a very long time! No wonder Cameron is packing it in and leaving the scene of the crime.

Hi John H, you forgot to add the OO to MSM and EBC.

Auld Rock

Sunniva says:

“I am glad the Rev is focusing on Moothie”

Agreed. Labour are down, if not quite out. They have pushed their own self destruct button.

Ruth “I’m not really Tory, when it suits” Davidson is the main threat now.

She now represents the Unionist cause. IndyRef1 and Labour were at the centre of BT with the Tories pull strings. IndyRef2 and the Tories, led by Ruthie, will be at the centre of the campaign as the main representative of Unionism.

And that is no bad thing! We want the choice to be between self governing Scotland and rule by Tories we gave no mandate to. That was actually the choice last time, but Labour led many to believe they were still potentially a party of WM government.

Off topic BUT
BBC’s coverage of Turkey in Syria continues to astound.

ISIS’s main supply centre via Turkey was under threat from occupation by Kurds

So Turkey occupied it without a shot from ISIS and the BBC ran several days of Turkish press releases in which the Turks were apparently saving Arab women from mass rape by the Kurds – is the BBC aware that the Kurdish are renound for their treatment of minorities and women and that the assault over the Euphaties was led by the female battalions of the YPG link to aljazeera.com

Now Turks announce they have captured 800 square kilometres from ISIS including 556 ISIS strong points, again without firing a shot (except at the Kurds where they continue to bombard civilian areas in Afrin and on both sides of the Euphrates)

The obvious conclusion here is that Turkey are basically moving ISIS’s resupply depot from Jarbulus to Al Bab (unless the Kurds get there first)

However the BBC seems unwilling to report that the Turks have intervened directly in Syria to assist ISIS by keeping their supply routes in Turkey from being cut off by the Kurds

The BBC does not seem to like the Kurds despite them being the closest thing to a democratic society based on equality between sexes, religions and nationalities and apposed to the centralised nasty nationalism of Turks and Arabs.

I wonder why?

We can all think of many names to call ms Davidson. Some funny, some nasty, some sexist, etc. I think all these names regardless of type. Give her far too much importance. Stick to her name and no more.

Lenny Hartley

Don`t` agree. The Scotsman is a rabid Unionist paper with an almost exclusively Unionist readership so it is much more likely to be hijacked by Unionists and not independence supporters.

The Dispatches video linked to above at 1.31 pm is dated 2009 so the Conference attended by David Cameron, Annabel Goldie and Ruth Davidson must have been held in or before 2009.

That was a busy year for Miss Davidson. She left her job in the BBC to go to Glasgow University ( I wonder if the bumped into Prof Tomkins there?). At the same time, she joined the Tory Party, and was the party’s candidate in the Glasgow North East constituency at a 2009 by-election and at the 2010 general election, finishing in respectively 3rd and 4th place, with approximately 5% of the vote.

She had better luck in 2011 getting into Holyrood on the regional list (she was 4th again on the constituency vote in Glasgow Kelvin).

And, hey presto, Annabel Goldie resigns in May 2011 and Ruth becomes Scottish Party leader in November 2011. From zero to hero in 7 months – if you ignore the grooming period from 2009.

link to en.wikipedia.org

Right on Q, rancid the Graun’s weekly Scotland is shite dispatcherisning.

link to archive.is

Fraser of Allander Institute report has found that even before the uncertainty caused by Brexit, the Scottish government’s budget was forecast to fall by just over 3% in real terms by 2020/21 as a result of the UK government’s ongoing fiscal consolidation.

The forecasters said the Scottish budget had faced “unprecedented cuts since 2010, with the resource budget for this year 5% lower in real terms than 2010/11 as a result of cuts to Scotland’s block grant from Westminster.

And they said a £1.6bn cut over the next four years would represent more than the Scottish government’s entire Finance and Economy; Fair Work, Skills and Training; Culture and External Affairs; and Rural Affairs, Food and Environment portfolios combined.

link to sbs.strath.ac.uk

And still Labour blames SNP for Tory cuts.

Another Union Dividend

@ Macart, 10:52am

Their necks must be on permaswivel by this point surely?

Aye, it’s way past revolving 360 degrees.

The new underwater turbines are really good new for Scotland. Now we have to work out how they can bennifit Scotland. With out England or the energy company’s ripping us off.

If you were Theresa May, would you bother telling Ruth Davidson anything? I mean, in the Upstairs Downstairs world of the Tories, Mr Bellamy would hardly confide in Hudson the butler.

Robert, if you can manage to pin a Yoon down, I’m guessing with the help of a giant butterfly net, have a go.
They are not immune to reason, they are not all lost.
The cure for hypocrisy is YES.
Fill your boots but what I’ve said still stands.
Every No voter is a hypocrite.
But as I’ve pointed out, they can change that.

Surely the SNP position was the complete opposite of Tory position on both of these two points, so any insults aimed at Davidson re consistency would also be fair to be aimed at Sturgeon? Or is SNP lack of consistency OK as it is pro independence?

Personality, I think plan b and Brexit position should be shared.

Gfaetheblock, Don’t know where your coming from, the Fiscal Commisioned recommended four options that’s a,b,c and d for Tories and the Scottish Government accepted the.mJust because the Yoon Media said there was no option B does not mean there wasn’t one.

link to gov.scot

Maybe I’m being a tad cynical, but I doubt very much you will ever see a Yoon poll being released above 50% for Yes, and I do mean ever.

I mean why would they.

@Galamcennalath

Yes, completely agree on that. Can’t waste too much time trying to change the hard wired oldsters that bang on about pensions. An offer can be made.

We really have to.target the young, the group which is still growing – they simply have to vote. It’s a travesty they don’t see their vote as important. Probably all sorts of reasons for it, but we have to change that view.

Popcorn time watching David Davis waffle like crazy in.front of Foreign Affairs committee on Brexit.

37 mins in, lots of chat, no substance. Taking back control.

With permission, I C&P my earlier post on WGD.
“I note that Oxfam has released research by Credit Suisse today.
The richest 1% in the UK own more than 20 times the total wealth of the poorest 20%,making the UK one of the most unequal countries (sic) in the developed world.
634,000 of the ‘haves’ are worth 20 times the poorest 13 million.
Quote: -” Three decades of high level inequality has had a profound impact.@ And then some.
Oxfam argues that’ distrust and disconnection with political processes and voting for change( they refer to Brexit) in the hope that it would improve their position.’ explains the Leave victory.
10% of the UK population own 54% of its wealth.
The top 1% own nearly a quarter, 23%, while the poorest20% own just 0.8%.
Decades of Red Blue and Yellow Tories bleeding us dry.
How many of the fecking Useless former MP’s have gone on to even more lucrative jobs for the boys sinecures, pay offs, and HoL Retirement packages?
How many have holiday homes in Donegal, the Western Isles, France, Spain or Portugal. As I observed before, like bookmakers, you never see a poor ex Red Blue or Yellow Tory politician, do you?
How many are now mysteriously appointed ‘visiting professors’ mooching in the cloisters of our Universities and colleges? How many are working for the Man in Finance, private health care, the nuclear and/or Armaments Industries?
How many Scots born are chancellors of our Universities? (None)
We have witnessed the destruction of Scotland’s manufacturing industries, and savage cuts to our civic society.
Dugdale, Davidson, and Rennie bleat on about closing the attainment gap in schools, and gesticulate spasmodically at the despatch box about NHS waiting times, and the BAD SNP not building enough houses, while the Tamanny Halls in Glasgow City Council, Lanarkshire, and North Lanarkshire Labour gravy trainers squander tens of millions of our Council Taxes on ALEO failures, pseudo New Labour Red Tory schemes, and cosy wee land deals with prominent ‘donors’.
From whom are they buying the land to build their new Detention centre at Glasgow airport?
May’s State of the Union address on the steps of No 10, was cynical sophistry, disgustingly patronising tosh from one of the SE Holy London Empire star performers, whose husband ‘s got a good job in the City.
From memory she spouted; greater representation of workers on Boards. Make work pay, by introducing National Living Wage, and cutting Tax Credits accordingly. I see M&S, who advertise in the Express BTW, are cutting workers’ hours accordingly.
Work is the best way out of poverty, and ‘real progress’ has been made since 2010; “2.7 million more people have a job” bleats a faceless spokesperson.
500, 000 Scots are living below the poverty line, Wullie, Ruth, Kezia. The West of Scotland records 5000 more deaths per year than Newcastle or Liverpool because of the systematic and brutal destruction of Scotland’s economy, public services, and civic society by Westminster and obliging New Labour conservative Councils supporting Thatcherism and Blairism, and Broonism of course..
The Tories boast that they have overhauled the Welfare system, so that it pays to work rather than claim benefits.
Which is Newspeak for, we have cut Welfare Spending by £12 billion, cut spending on government services by £13 billion, and sacked 500,000 public servants, and given the top 1-10% who own all the wealth, a 5% tax cut. Remember Danny Alexander getting into his brand new Ministerial Limo clutching a list of cuts, including sacking 500,000 public servants? Is he still in Hong Kong working for the Man?
The poor are to subsist in Victorian poverty, or take the low paid, low skilled, zero hours contracts, with no employment rights, no Union rights, farcical jobs on offer.
We are Better Together? Aye right.”
Ruth, Kezia, and Wullie are unprincipled chancers.
We shall tolerate their anti Scottish lies and threats no more.
There is no plan B.
England is fecked.

Due respect to folks who study the details, but it strikes me the older you get, the more you’ve seen, and the more cynical you get about political campaigns. If you want the young to be motivated and turning out in good numbers, you need a positive campaign that gives them a buzz to be involved with. The old vote isn’t blinkered, it’s just more suspicious and unsettled by change.

I’m a big Europhile, but even on a bad day, Europe has opportunities for our kids to travel, see the world and other cultures, and frankly, I don’t think they want anything to do with a carmugeonly country like an insular UK which grumps from A to B sticking two fingers up to anything it doesn’t like. If we bomb out of Europe, yes our industry and commerce will suffer, but the world will really shrink for our young folks.

All the right components are there to construct a very powerful body of opinion amongst younger voters, but what worries me is the short amount of time we may have to get sufficient momentum going. I’m sure it will happen. We will find more Saffron Dixons, but the campaign for the young vote will have to be gotten right.

I have a pet theory that’s why a positive campaign is reputably more successfully than a negative campaign. If you get it right, people can engage and feel good about doing so. It’s even fun. If we allow Unionism to fill the heads of our kids with bleak, narrow minded prejudices about Europe, it will be a lasting tragedy for all of us, and our failure if we let it happen.

It isn’t just politics evolving through social media. Our kids are too. Our kids think nothing about playing games online with folks from all over the world at all times of the day. Even when language fails them, emojis help them to communicate. They find ways around problems and built on the bits they do understand. When I think back to when I was at school, it was great speaking French in class, but outside of school you felt bashful and constrained. If only I could have that time again. I would learn every language I could find the time to consume, and get my arse over to visit those countries too and put those languages to good use. It’s a good thing to embrace and indulge new cultures, and I despair for all those English kids who are now doomed to wonder if there is any point learning French or German for the next decade. Where is the up side to any of that?

There was a sense we were just getting somewhere, and Brexit is threatening to piss all over it. And for what???

I want Scotland to be a comfortable multi cultural, multi lingual, happy and progressive society which wants to engage constructively with rest of the world. Where is the down side to any of that?

Independence in Europe is choosing the challenges of life over the drudgery of mere existence. And in the blue corner we have Ruth Davidson.

BBC Bad, bad Scot…

link to imgur.com

Dogs and dolphins have big brains and can learn to do fantastic things and yet they have no thumbs

Yoons have thumbs

“Dogs and dolphins have big brains and can learn to do fantastic things…”

Unlike the Yoon colonial media, dogs and dolphins cannot lie.

Two faced cow.

@Valerie
11:54

Found this from 2013 on Nissan.

link to autoexpress.co.uk

I’ve just read a very interesting article about Andrew Marr. Apparently, he along with Stephen Daldrey (of Billy Elliot fame) and JK Rowling were on a training course in Israel during the 80’s along with Stella Rimington who ended up heading MI5. That could explain their unholy attitudes towards Scotland?

said with rhythm of a preacher. That particular style of public speaking always gave me the heebie jeebies

I for one am delighted that Murdo can finally see that Scotland and Britain are not one and the same 🙂

His distress at the Queen’s Eleven’s tanking on Saturday may have addled his brain though.

Sunniva says:

@Brian Powell. Spot on! The youth vote is far more important. And we need to get the youth to work on their grannies. It’s their future after all, not granny’s

And their grannies turn out in huge numbers at every election. 🙁

Where our oil money has been going,

The UK automotive industry generated revenues of £60 billion in 2013. 11 major vehicle manufacturers and 18 of the world’s top 20 suppliers to the automotive industry have operations in the UK.

There are different locations across the UK known as Enterprise Zones that offer investors incentives to locate themselves there including:

reduced taxes
simpler planning rules
financial benefits

how many of the 11 major vehicle manufacturers are located in Scotland?

they steal our oil revenues and use the money to give incentives to the manufacturers to locate to England/Wales,

laundering stolen money. .

@dhothersall
Gender and sexuality are not just personal identities; they are also social identities. So do you think it appropriate to highlight intolerance to your otherness when your entire political identity is based on a One Nation denial of the different national identities of Scotland and England? Britain is not One Nation.

So are you a ragging hypocrite, simply thick, or perhaps it is your demeanor to get a kick out of being a mouthpiece for our colonial masters in London? Dolt or gimp? Your choice.

It amazes me how many people even on this sight pay any attention to the phoney polls it one gigantic scam it is only the answers of the people they ask not the answers of the whole country it is tool for the losers to try to convince the doubters that the opinion of A few matter more than the many they haven’t asked they never tell you how many they asked because that would expose their illusion I mean the whole thing is ridiculous they should be banned by law as fraud

Plan A, B, shmee. Let’s cut right to the final solution.

Capella 6.45

Davidson appears to have got her first break with an act of illegality –

but the person she replaced was bought off after he threatened legal action.

So her saliva-spraying rise is a mixture of MI5 and sleaze.

link to newsnet.scot

Ruth is a nasty little bully and I have nothing to say positively about her. She has no integrity and is willing to sacrifice her country and its assets for WM’s benefit. But she gets the full life support treatment from the BBC.

She used to remind me of Chucky but after Macart and his permaswivel comment it now has to be Carrie.

These are not good things.

There is something truly awful watching a cat playing with a mouse before the final act of execution. So I broke away from the footie for a wee break! 🙁

Found this:

Clegg admits difficulty in fighting “compelling case” for independence for those Scots who voted to remain in EU

link to archive.is

The futures yours. Not your granny’s. But you both have to vote yes for you to have a future.

There’s only 15 per cent of British trade goes to countries which are outside the European Union or with which we don’t have a European trade deal or in the process of having a European trade deal. So this idea that there is these Elysian Fields of unbridled 19th century trade waiting for us, where apparently everyone will give us exactly what we want even though we’ll be a fraction of the size of what we were when we were negotiating partners of the EU, it’s a nonsense.”

@ McDuff

The Scotsman poll is presumably open to anyone to vote in, so not only is it not representative, the paper’s stance is irrelevant – until and unless the result suddenly and mysteriously changes when they notice. I’m sure that’s happened before. P&J, maybe.

Mc duff have already explained to you about your “odd” poll. There has not been a newspaper online poll for several years that has not shown a substantial lead for Yes, How many papers support Indy,?

Undeadshaun 6.09

Good find, but it feels very spooky that was written in 2013!

Just shows, as you expect with Japan having good business sense, this was talked about back then.

There is a volume of reporting about Nissan just prior to 24 June, bringing the legal action against Leave, but nothing since that I can find.

Nissan were well hacked off, having asked numerous times to be left out of the debate, as well as copyright misappropriation of their logo.

Nissan wrote to all their employees saying their vote was for them, and not for the employer to advise.

Just shows how much more integrity they had about the issue.

call me dave says:

“Clegg admits difficulty in fighting “compelling case” for independence for those Scots who voted to remain in EU”

It is good to hear a WM politician accept Scotland’s position where being dragged out by England is not on.

I did take offence at this. Clegg says … “I’m a Unionist. I don’t like Nationalism. Nationalism/chauvinism is a profoundly illiberal creed”

What is wrong with these people that they can’t understand that Unionism is British Nationalism?

I get really annoyed at this high and mighty idea that UKOK doesn’t no nationalism, that’s what lesser peoples have.

That Marr program on Sunday reeked of the same. Scots are the nationalists while those fanatically supporting the UK do so for higher more noble reasons devoid of anything nationalistic. Aye right!

So pig fker resigns today, and tomorrow’s papers are carrying story that Cameron is to blame for Libya mess, and rise of Da’esh.

Cameron really is leaving some toxic waste behind. What a legacy. Remember this Tory gov’t has also led on bombing Syria, directly responsible for thousands dead, and approximately 5 million refugees on the move.

Thousands of parent less children lost in the sea, stolen by sex offenders or dead on the move.

But this country couldn’t give a shit about those children.

Syria will be the the worst humanitarian disaster since the last war, when it’s written up.

Some folk are frustrated by the polls not showing a bigger lift. I was frustrated at the Edinburgh in Europe event on Bruntsfield Links on Sunday – guid folk in attendance but there should have been 10 times the numbers at least.

The fact is nothing has kicked in. It feels for many like the storm has passed and Westminster will sort something out. Most folk in their own wee bubble are not thinking they’ll have to pay for an ESTA to travel to France on holiday. They are not thinking anything will happen to their employment rights. They are not worried about the consequences to agriculture, fishing, the food and drink industries of leaving the world’s largest market and its system of subsidies.

How can you get worried about brexit when nothing is happening and you buy your messages at Waitrose?

If you are in a decent job you probably reckon whatever happens you’ll be OK because right through life Westminster has ensured that you have been. Shit that happens- it happens to someone else.

Money solves most things in life… sadly for the middle and upper middle classes this isn’t one of them.

There is a concerted effort going on to pretend all is well- from Theresa May saying we are going to make a success of Brexit all the way down to subterranean Call Kaye asking how confident folk are about Brexit- quite confident or very confident? GBBO’s on the telly and we’re storming the Paralympics. All that is missing is some royal shenanigans to really do a Paul McKenna number on the public.

Cameron knows though- clever boy that he is. The Westminster duopoly that has remained largely in tact for a hundred years is fractured- the two great houses are both looking ready to schism simultaneously at the UK’s weakest point since the dark days of WW2.

Labour are finished and must split to have a chance of one branch surviving. The tories are stronger but the internal divisions simmering below the surface are ready to erupt.

The EU, in appointing Mr Verhofstadt have signalled they are going to look after their interests with a vengeance and that means making it clear that leaving the EU is a very bad decision.

All around the world leaders are venting frustration, disbelief, anger and bemusement at this decision with some already signalling that they will be cashing out.

The SNP which is without doubt the most purposeful, unified and resilient force in UK politics happens to be led by the most able, gritty, astute and popular politician Scotland has ever produced. In Scotland Nicola has the greens on board and the tories are to blame for the fuck-up so they can be blamed from here until eternity. Willie’s sad group of Europhiles who are ready to leave the EU, the Home Rule enthusiasts who opposed Home Rule are a laughing stock, irrelevant.

And poor Kezia is getting geared up to write that novel she’s always planned on. There is no future after Corbyn gets back in and a slab politician who gets so many big calls wrong (Trident, Corbyn, Independence etc etc) has to eventually pass the shitty stick onto someone else less able.

In Scotland Nicola has said we are staying IN and she looks like she means it.

Amidst all the forces pulling in directions we have a new PM who has to try and implement a plan she doesn’t believe in and somehow achieve the impossible. To succeed she has to get the EU to agree to something it won’t or the English public to buy into something they voted against. She has to persuade or force Scotland, Northern Ireland, Gibraltar (and London) out the EU against their will whilst keeping all hitched to the same old wagon. And somehow bind the pro and anti EU tory factions together. And avoid financial meltdown during a time of enormous flux.

No wonder Cameron’s offski. Give the soft No’s a break- let them enjoy their hummous and hot smoked salmon while the illusion of stability is maintained. It does seem cruel to waken someone up from a pleasant dream.

Assuming Yes is 47%, this is`nt a bad level of support, considering the effects of brexit are still to be felt. I believe the curve is upwards. As for Davidson, as head of Tory branch office, she wont be able to distance herself from the policies of Tory head office indefinitely. On a more personal note, her lack of principles is match only by her lack of charisma.

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what if you are Polish and wishes Scotland to be independent- no vote? No, 5 year minimum residency in Scotland for all. That takes out most of the English Welsh and NI students who got together last time at St Andrews, Edinburgh etc to vote against independence last time.

Attract the young voter who understands the concept of the EU better than a 1000 express readers put together in a hoard.

tougher rules over folk in care homes. Apparently Tories from a local church went round getting postal votes. Those who didn’t vote last time get them out. Need to remember still early dyas . There are hints the brexiters are wanting to push May faster than she wants too. Tensions are there. Labour will implode. Apart from the most unionist brit in the labour party more moderate home Scots will vote with Scotland in the EU.
As I mentioned in another post SNP should be announcing that we are happy for the car jobs to be moved from England to Scotland, financial jobs also. Even Ryanair could move to Prestwick full time.

possibly o/t but here goes;

Last night (Monday)I did something I hardly ever do these days: I watched the Reporting Scotland 10.30 pm bulletin. A major item was how, according to business editor Douglas Fraser, Scotland’s economic performance has been weaker than the rest of the UK’s. It was almost entirely based on subjective impressions. What hard figures there were came shoehorned into a largely negative piece.

And then I realised – and I appreciate this is no surprise to many WOS readers – the unionist media will NEVER, not even with their dying breath, give the idea of an independent Scotland a chance. It is impossible. However favourable a situation might truly exist, it will ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS be twisted into a ‘too poor’ story.

And yet we are stuck with the BBC – we can rail and howl but it cannot, will not reform. And it pours into millions of homes and minds every day.

I feel in my bones that we cannot win with this status quo. But I don’t see how it can really be changed (demos and witholding licence fees etc just don’t cut it, I’m afraid = gesture politics in that they may be well-intentioned but cannot change anything).

God, it’s so depressing. What a conundrum.

Don’t worry about attendance at Rallies. Sometimes there is not enough publicity or people can’t always travel to every rally because of logistics. Millions more would like to be there.

There is more support for Independence in Scotland than there is for a Referendum in Catalonia with vast Rallies. In Scotland it is 50/50 without Brexit being implemented. Or clause 50 being presented.

Catalonia has rallies on public holidays with huge publicity. There are a lot of public holidays. A month at Easter and Christmas. Religious. Two months in summer. July/August. It is too hot to work.

In Catalonia 2.2million voted for a Referendum. Out of an electorate of 5.5Million with a population of 7.5Million. In Catalonia/Spain EU citizens resident in Spain are not allowed to vote in National or Regional elections. Only in local and EU elections. (1million?). Not so democratic as Scotland.

Tam Jardine at 1053

I wouldn’t worry about the Bruntsfield event. Yeah the numbers were small, but YET AGAIN, there was no publicity. I only learned about it from a friend. Most people probably had no idea it was happening.

Likewise for the event planned on Sunday in Glasgow, I know it is on, because I have seen people mention it in passing on the wings website, but I really have no idea who will be there, or who is organising it etc.. Could be the SNP – who knows???.