More ordinary voters
From a leaflet sent out this week by Scotland’s only Tory MP, David Mundell:
“Do Keith and Michelle have a surname?”, nosy readers might be wondering.
It turns out that they do:
You’d think that might have been relevant information, wouldn’t you? The leaflet also features a section where Mr Mundell answers “your questions”, starting with a flat-out unequivocal lie about whether an independent Scotland could keep the pound.
Our alert local reader couldn’t help but notice one of them was a “Neil Calvert” from West Linton, and wondering if it might be this Neil Calvert from West Linton:
We’re sure that not ALL the concerned constituents whose “questions” Mr Mundell answers in the leaflet are members of the local Conservative Party, of course. After all, they’re the sort of questions real people all over Scotland are asking:
And not just in the Borders. They were curious up in Deeside too:
Mr Burnett and his family also had eerily similar views to the Cockburns.
And to those of John Lamont’s constituents “Rachael and Billy”:
Do send us more if you’ve got them, readers.
Bwahahaha!!. Busted again.
Tell it to the Pandas.
Cockburn. That’s a relief, I thought they were going to be Lally’s.
(apologies for the apostrophe, I’m out of practice)
Quite a Cockburn cock-up…
This internet thingmyjig is sure catching them out lol. I mean, surely it isnt that bad on the ground for the no camp that they have to recruit councillors to act as ordinary members of the public…
Evil Yes voters never put family first.
😀 You couldn’t make this stuff up!… hilarious!
“The 2014 Electoral Scottish Independence Referendum Voting Guide” through my door has a Cambuslang “working mum” Voting No because she wants “the best of both worlds”. How many workin mums thought that one up?
We weren’t against a “working mum” in Clydebank just a Labour bum.
Tory candidate votes for the Union Non-shocker!
Well, let’s face it … what ordinary family is going to allow themselves to be featured in Tory NaeSaying propaganda like that? Shows just how hard it was to find someone when they actually used a councillor! Evidence that BetterTogetherNaeThanks have absolutely no grassroots!
Not the only spurious stuff being handed out in Dumfries. I have a flyer which is being handed out and there must be some doubts to it’s legality. Not saying that it’s Mundell but worrying nevertheless.
I have it in PDF format now. Did you get my email Stuart?
Dear Mr Mundell, in an independent Scotland will you still be able to lie through your teeth and get paid by the taxpayer to do so or will you be out a job?
Frank Neckbolt – Wishaw.
Who would trust a Tory?
Cockburn – a fireman’s worst nightmare.
Ouch!!
I always thought Tories were reasonable astute at fiddles , apparently that’s not the case
So a Tory councillor and his wife are out across as an “average couple with children” when in fact its a biased article trying to show the union in a good light.
Whats wrong Mr Mundell couldn’t you find any ordinary folk to do your false bidding, and why are the answers to the questions ALL lies.
Mr Mundell you truly live up to the “Tory mantra” which is tell lies and to hell with the consequences. A despicable man, and a despicable party.
Surely this is fraud if they’re making these questions up and portraying them as “ordinary” members of the public? Does anyone with legal expertise know? Should this not be reported to the police?
They KEEP doing this. They actually struggle to get an impartial, independent volunteer to appear in their leaflets and videos. It’s always politician stooges or paid models.
Frauds. “How do we get all the advantages of being part of the larger UK economy?” is a query they never answer. We take your taxes and resources, then we give you back what we decide you need, with the scrounger Scotland stuff thrown in for free.
Maybe if the UK economy was say Germany or Norway, you would probably go, thank you so much oh wise and generous ones, but they’re just a bunch of……… very rude words, and they love a good war but only with countries that they think they defeat with ease, but look at the Middle East after Westminster charged off to do battle with forces they either couldn’t comprehend or didn’t care either way.
Let’s face it, who else is going to speak to a Tory MP?
🙂
Mundell probably thought that he could slip this one through!
After all in Peebles not many folk will know that he is their cooncilor. He was elected for the third of three seats in a by election Last October. The folk in peebles are probably asking who is this guy? He was elected with just over 42% of the vote & The local paper reported that among the spoiled ballot papers was one which read: “Waste of time, yir awe *****”. Sort of sums it all up doesn’t it!
If it is indeed true that I am not allowed to keep the Pound Sterling, will someone from the Unionist/Better Together/NoThanks/UKOK/NoBorders/UK Gov/Treasury explain when the money in my bank account is going to be confiscated & what will I receive in return, if anything?
And what becomes of the £6 billion or so sloshing around the Scottish economy?
And what will become of all that hard currency & bullion deposited at the Bank of England that underwrites some of the deposits/loans etc in the Scottish banks?
Since they keep claiming that independence negotiations will take forever, to receive an explanation sometime by 2016 seems reasonable.
I got a similar leaflet from the prospective conservative candidate in Deeside/Garioch: Again the same lies
They’re certainly flogging this ‘best of both worlds’ shtick to death. Even if I were a No supporter, I’d be getting sick of reading/hearing it by now.
I’ve never understood this “advantages of a larger economy” thing. What does it actually mean? As far as I can see, our economy being tied to rUK’s has been fairly disastrous for us.
Yes, it’s quite a quirk of fate that Mrs Douglas of Thornhill thought up the exact same question as Trevor Adams of St. Boswells, ditto Mr Allison of Biggar and Andrew Meldrum of Lauder, ditto etc…..
On the topic of No leaflets, Labour put out a 4-page tabloid size one a couple of weeks ago which generated some comment here because it was just SO riddled with misinformation, half-truths and irrelevancies (but irrelevancies aimed at scaring the electorate).
Some people suggested an on-line dissection of it. Does anyone know if that has been done? I had a letter in our local paper this week (Rutherglen Reformer) in which I highlighted 3 ridiculous points, but there are scores of contestable points in the leaflet.
The good news is Mundells goose is cooked. When we finish the job on THE 18TH he will only be at Wastminster under sufferance. Yet another good reason to vote yes!
Imagine the fun we can have after the 18th, At the next election we could send down MPs from all the yes parties and Screw things up there until Indy day and then they can all come home and never have to return to that pit!
leafleting fail! deary me! how dumb and gullable to they think we are?
GF says:
“I’ve never understood this “advantages of a larger economy” thing.”
The best tactic with BritNats who take this line is to suggest to them that they must believe all Westmister powers should therefore be transferred to Brussels, if bigger is better. Of course they don’t believe bigger is better, they just believe Britain is better.
Did John Swinney say what this states….
link to mortgageintroducer.com
Our local mps office told us this was just their ‘opinion’ not misleading at all then
Noticed this piccie on John Lamont’s website.
link to johnlamont.org
opening a new Tory conference centre?
Chick, Izzat Mr Lamont screwing the phone box coin machine in desperation.
Why is the SNP not using this to discredit the No campaign (as if it needed it)?
Also UKOK bullshit is “strength and security of belonging to the UK”
This morn vote No or else Guardian had worries about moving Trident nukes to Devon and what happens to the poor souls in Devon, if a boomer goes off down there by mistake!
it’s funny how a mega mega mega ton Trident nuclear bomb going off by accident on the Clyde isn’t an issue for our chums in the south.
Best of both worlds?
I’ve never understood this two world thing. Different planets though, definately.
@Craig Evans
but is it the same questions with different names? please share.
Great! Someone sent you Alexander’s letter… the things is he wrote 2 personal letters, one to my 16 year old daughter and one to my husband and a questionnaire for them to answer and to highlight their concerns about metters of importance for Scotland. I somehow got ignored – it must be because deep down I’m a foreigner you see… and I don’t exist….
You would think someone who said this in a Tory party memo in 2007(link to conservativehome.blogs.com) about his own party, would see the opportunity to take leadership of an independent Scottish Conservative party. Sadly it would seem he is one of those lacking in the ‘thinking capacity’.
I expect this to be reported fearlessly and honestly by the good old impartial BBC. Why they even fly up a good old impartial journalist to do so. Step forward Mr James Naughtie. Enjoy
link to thedianerehmshow.org
This “best of both worlds” nonsense: ask anyone coming out with this guff why they think they should be getting something that their fellow Britons aren’t.
It doesn’t show a lot of respect for their countrymen/women.
On the John Lamont leaflet. ‘Scottington Post’ pointed out the following on twitter:
Surely that isnt’ Andrew Meldrum (Lauder), Dep Chair of the Con Eildon Branch link to scottishbordersconservatives.org.uk
Trevor Adams/St Boswells is just another ordinary voter it would seem. link to scottishbordersconservatives.org.uk
I feel like I am living in a parallel universe. One where representatives from the UK government have given a written guarantee of pensions continuing to be paid. How can they say this stuff? It might play well with decided nos who won’t look any further, but surely undecideds will investigate beyond the atom-thin veneer of plausibility in these claims and see them for the barefaced lies that they are??
@Peter Campbell It’s not up to the SNP, it’s the Yes side which should use this to discredit the No side.
Can we call the referendum date, ‘The Glorious 18th’ after Independence? 🙂
GH Graham
The RBS told me today that they would be using whatever currency the Scottish Government told them to use.
A good bit of sleuthing by Stu.
You would have thought that Mundell might have picked a genuine Tory supporting family, with no specific political responsibilities, for his endeavour. Is the only Tory MP in Scotland saying that he could only find this one family group from all of the people who voted for him? The Tories in Scotland really are in a worse state than we imagined.
“and the best armed forces in the world” (Alexander and Lavinia)
What a claim-I think I’ll vote NO.
Perhaps a printer’s error, should have been “the best food banks in the world”
I was at the funeral of my wife’s mother earlier this week.
She was one of that old breed of Scot; a native Gaelic speaker who didn’t have a word of English till she went to school in the Isle of Mull to have the English language drilled into her by non-Gaelic speaking teachers.
Her grieving sons were wearing their kilts, as was I.
As I waited my turn to be called to take one of the cords (an honour indeed) I had a look at the scenery around the cemetery. It was raining steadily but it seemed to suit the occasion, and the trees in these mid-Argyll hills were wreathed in coiling mist. It was, frankly, quite beautiful.
I recall her once telling me the story, in her native Gaelic, of the water horse in Loch Assapol. This loch lies just above the house where she was born over 90 years ago.
I still remember the actions that accompanied the story of the young girl combing the ‘young man’s’ hair when the girl suddenly noticed that what she was combing out of his hair was the fine gravel and reeds that are found only at the bottom of lochs and the realisation that what she had thought was a handsome young lad was in fact an Each Uisge in disguise and up to his usual tricks of deceit. It was fascinating to hear that tale.
She is gone now, and so is a little bit of Scotland.
I couldn’t give a damn about the arguments regarding currency, jobs, pensions. These things are all transient and they matter little in the grand scale of things.
But I DO give a damn about my country’s culture. That is the reason I will be voting YES for independence. We must get it.
Can anyone assist ? I recently had a discussion with a “Dunno” and found it quite a difficult task countering her “banks-panic-emergency” scare as she turned it into “investors and ordinary account holders will start to withdraw their money from Scottish banks and Scottish branches, if a YES vote looks likely, there will be a run on the Banks the day after a a yes vote “. It occurred to me that the MSM could easily start such a scare before the vote and cause the required panic.
I’m surprised that this mob still have the ability to disgust me.
Can anyone assist ? I recently had a discussion with a “Dunno” and found it quite a difficult task countering her “banks-panic-emergency” scare as she turned it into “investors and ordinary account holders will start to withdraw their money from Scottish banks and Scottish branches, if a YES vote looks likely, there will be a run on the Banks the day after a a yes vote “. It occurred to me that the MSM could easily start such a scare before the vote and cause the required panic.
Can anyone assist ? I recently had a discussion with a “Dunno” and found it quite a difficult task countering her “banks-panic-emergency” scare as she turned it into “investors and ordinary account holders will start to withdraw their money from Scottish banks and Scottish branches, if a YES vote looks likely, there will be a run on the Banks the day after a a yes vote “. It occurred to me that the MSM could easily start such a scare before the vote and cause the required panic.
Amazing that so many people could be asking the exact same questions using the same wording. It surely reflects the identical concerns of voters all over Scotland. And they are questions the Yes campaign led by Alex Salmond simply refuse to answer.
The fact that all of these diligent conservative politicians answer in identical wording surely highlights how emphatic their answers are!
I have another question for the No voters or undecided: if the Conservatives are lying routinely in this campaign as they so clearly are in misrepresenting constituents, (invented or not) why are you all so certain that they are telling the truth about our dwindling oil revenues, extending the powers of our parliament and refusing a currency union?
They are strangers to the truth.
The best of both worlds is fast becoming the most meaningless phrase used in this referendum. They say that if you repeat any word again and again it loses all meaning – BOBW has no meaning.
The way it trots off the tongue ‘we can have the best of both worlds’ is how it is normally phrased, suggesting a situation that does not currently exist but CAN exist in the future. I believe it appeared long ago as ‘make the best of both worlds’. Sounds rather like ‘make the best of a bad bargain’.
I am sure I will have heard this cretinous phrase at least 10,000 times by the 18th September. I suggest it is outlawed thereafter.
Andrew Meldrum, Neil Calvert, Craig Wood and Moira Hughes are all Conservative members listed on here: link to scottishbordersconservatives.org.uk
To quote Derek Bateman, “If you ask a Scot why he believes in Union … They don’t say it’s socially just or there’s even distribution of resources or it has an outstanding record on human rights and social mobility. They don’t say it’s a fair society or it’s democratically run or it looks after its elderly, respects workers’ rights or leads the worldwide green agenda.”
Indeed. That’s not the type of things those nice families above say, is it? There is a hint of Thatcherite “me and my family first, to hell with the rest of society”.
@ steve andrews
RE – “banks-panic-emergency” Better Together activists are telling this story right across Scotland.
If there is a run on the pound in Scotland then it will also happen everywhere that the pound is used. The reason is that there is NO difference in the pound used in the Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Isle of Man, Jersey & Guernsey etc with the same currency in Wales, England, Northern Ireland and Scotland.
link to youtube.com
“And the best armed forces in the world”
What a claim! And also a lie.
link to itv.com
steve andrews says:
“I recently had a discussion with a “Dunno” and found it quite a difficult task countering her “banks-panic-emergency” scare as she turned it into “investors and ordinary account holders will start to withdraw their money from Scottish banks and Scottish branches, if a YES vote looks likely, there will be a run on the Banks the day after a a yes vote “. It occurred to me that the MSM could easily start such a scare before the vote and cause the required panic.”
Independence doesn’t happen on the 19th September. It will be banking as usual. There’s a lot of negotiations to follow and it will be in neither sides’ interests to cause any financial crisis. Anyway, what is a Scottish bank, these days?
I worry about a lot of things is life, but that scenario wouldn’t give me any sleepless nights!
Worry your “Dunno” about the disasterous austerity, cutbacks and privatisation of a No win.
Oh, once upon a time we had some of the best forces. Fully volunteer, well equipped, even well paid, because after the Falklands saved her political bacon Thatcher gave the military the biggest pay rise in modern history. Apparently even the old witch knew when it was good to be grateful.
Not now, though. Still all volunteer but heading for half part time. Equipped, in exact terms, with nothing special since the UK Government prefers big showy items over daft wee things like body armour. And morale through the tarmac with those that remain permanent wondering where the axe will fall next. And when, because there’s a nasty habit of wielding it just before the point where their service length will qualify them for a full pension.
On the article otherwise, nothing says ‘we have no grassroots’ better than having to use councillors in your shite as ‘normal’ citizens.
And for The Rough Bounds. I would share your sadness, not because I know you or your family, but for that loss to the land. I too would vote Yes just for the chance to see that culture restored to a safe, vibrant, place in modern Scotland. I would need no other reason; it is only sadder yet that society and government has put Scotland in such a state that there are many others.
@ galamcennalath, people are not stupid and as a confirmed maybe says to me this aftennoon, “so I’m going to do a run on my bank, taking my overdraft and 125% mortgage off to England, me”
Mundell is a sneaky shit.
I wonder if they got tips from the Nobs on how to run their campaign. Maybe they were advised by Nobs expert Fiona’s office junior on ‘family repositioning’. Maybe they think the public are as dim as they are.
@Tattie-bogle
Wow! “think very carefully before voting No”. My reading of this is McLeish’s damned close to suggesting people vote Yes.
And just where are all these people going to put their money, and in what currency? Draw your money from RBS and deposit it in NatWest? All that that does is close your local branch and its ATM and make life difficult for you with the average broadband speeds in Scotland but heyho the MSM will punt it as required by HMG.
Its the same bogeyman as the CU, take something that people aren’t too sure about, mistify it, then go for there’s no smoke without fire and ask questions.
David Mundell emailed, await reply.
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Mr Mundell, i have recently had it brought to my attention, a leaflet attributed to yourself which features a family who are seemingly giving the opinion of an “ordinary” family who give an account of why they are voting No on 18th September.
Now i have no issue with that whatsoever, but when i learn that in fact this is the family of a local conservative councillor, then i strongly believe it becomes deliberately misleading to the electorate trying to decide which politicians they can trust with Scotland’s future.
It seems to me that this is a complaint which needs reporting to the electoral commission to request their opinion on if it is misleading or not.
I would contact the Mainstream media with this, but it seems a bit pointless when they seem incapable of political balance these days regarding the referendum, although the Dailey Record might take it on due to their historic dislike of the Conservatives.
I feel it fair however to give you a right to reply before taking further action.
Over to you Mr Mundell.
Hard to imagine we can just forget all this crap.
Busted again!
Wrong. Absolutely wrong.
Which newspaper or news broadcaster will announce the leaflets are bogus and the content lies?
Don’t doubt for a minute that lies will not help reinforce deep-seated prejudices. They will do their work well.
People who compose false ‘facts’ should be fined, the politicians who approve and endorse the leaflets jailed.
But even if they lose their seat at the next general election they will be awarded a fat pension for the rest of their lives – at our expense, the tax payer.
They are the equivalent of those who took the English shilling in 1707 – they sell out their own country and democracy with it … and get better off.
It’s like the letters from Viz.
link to i46.tinypic.com
STV HMG PROPAGANDA UNIT.
Who is Prof. Ronald Mcdonald and what rock did he crawl from under?
Stu you need to blur out the contact details of these people or its going to end in sadness mate.
Ronald Mcdonald is a clown…!
FACT !!!!!
Tattie-bogle
Henry McLeish seems to be egging himself on in this referendum, toying with the idea of crossing the floor and backing Yes. I would respect him if he finally came out and just said what his head and heart are telling him to say.
He has been teasing us with these little glimpses of pro-yes for an age now. September 19th is too late to find that courage. There stands a man who wants to say Yes but just can’t find it in him to do it.
If any man needs a Wee Blue Book it is Henry. We are trying to build a new Scotland and if he steps up and takes a stand others in the labour party who have been taking a back seat might find their courage also.
And Kezia… its no too late for you either. You might even save your career! Now there is a cause a labour MSP can really get behind.
@rookiescot.
Why ?
The details you speak about are publically available on his own material.
@Derek fae Yell.
That was a fine example of Naughties ‘impartiality’. Unionist twat.
5 weeks for any labour MSP’s to cross the floor and try salvage their political careers.
Some may say they are too late already, but not for me, if we state too late then why would any wanting to break ranks do so if it is ‘too late’?
@The rough bounds.
A sad picture you painted. Lets hope the future is more respectful than the past.
This is a wee bit creepy.
The media would be in a frenzy if Yes Scotland had been caught doing this.
The bias sickens me, and I now see the journalists and editors the same way I see those MP’s exposed in the expenses scandals.
The only difference is that some of those MP’s went to prison for lying and dishonesty.
Those media hacks get away with it – or are promoted.
Surely there MUST be some kind of election rule that says :
‘No lying to voters’?
4 Flippers lies in 10 seconds. shock!
Genuine question for David Mundell’s Labour allies in Better Together:-
Do you agree (per the leaflet) that the UK economy is “creating jobs at a record pace, and growing at the fastest rate in the western world”?
@BuckieBraes
Like you, I’m now sick of hearing the “best of both worlds”. It’s a phrase that’s synonymous with “having your cake & eating it”. For most of us in the real world, that rarely ever happens…& it certainly isn’t what Scotland gets out of the union.
FFS Darling being allowed to witter on unchallenged
“Surely there MUST be some kind of election rule that says ‘No lying to voters’?”
Indeed, there certainly should be.
It would stop politicians making up lies like claiming Scotland “will” be in a currency union and “will” become an EU member after a yes vote for example.
Oh wait sorry, that was the SNP, doesn’t fit in with the narrative on here does it.
They cannot help themselves and are driven by fear and panic.
We are led by great hope.
They lie to us and cheat their own.
We inform and seek to give.
They propagate failure.
We nurture growth.
They have no future.
Great article from Patrick Harvie, that neatly sums up why many yes campaigners are fed up of Salmond and his party and the damage they’ve caused to the chances of a yes vote:
“Part of the problem is the SNP’s attempts to imply – quite wrongly – that a Yes vote is an endorsement of everything in their “white paper”, Scotland’s Future. By treating the referendum like an election, and trying to convince people that a Yes vote is a vote for this weighty manifesto, there is a real danger that they will alienate those who don’t support SNP policy on anything from corporate tax cuts to military expenditure. It’s tragic really”
link to patrickharviemsp.com
Flipper’s getting a real grilling on all kinds of issues, if only. What powers are Labour offering, waffle, 8 thousand jobs go with Trident, lies and on it goes.
Why do we allow ourselves to be ruled by frauds like this.
Flippers actually getting a bit of a doing from Sally Magnusson – who’d have thought.
Just to make it clear, JL and AD have it installed in their brains, that it is unclear which currency Scotland will use in the event of a Yes vote.
If they cannot understand that Scotland will be using the pound, either in a currency union or not, they are imbeciles of the highest order.
Vote Yes, to ensure that these buffoons never grace out televisions again!
Ooh Alistair here are some fluffy kittens do you want your pillow puffed up….BBC Shite
Is it just me or is EVERYTHING they say a lie? Obviously they’ve been doing this for years, they’re well practised and slick. They’re just not used to anyone checking their information to see if it contains TRUTH. 100% truth free! How can they EVER be trusted again?
Sorry for going O/T but just been watching the eyebrows being questioned by Sally Magnusson. I have to admit firstly that she was far far better than Jackie Bird last night. Secondly she was pretty firm in her questioning of the eyebrows. I don’t think he got as free a ride as we all thought he would when discussing this interview last night. Well done Sally you certainly surprised this viewer. :P{
Flipper and Bailie do not know where to9 stick the Trident Post Independence. Anyone?
FFS Duggie’s back as well!
Well at least they corrected their recognition for Scots detective that SOLVED jack the ripper murders, the fantastically expensive idiots.
What on earth is “a country which is paying down its deficit” supposed to mean?
You can pay down a DEBT, or work to reduce your deficit (the amount by which you fail to cover your expenses and thereby still increasing your debt), but there’s no paying down involved where a deficit is concerned.
How strange that all three (until more are found) of these perfectly ordinary families managed to make the same glaring error in their entirely original identically worded statements.
“If they cannot understand that Scotland will be using the pound, either in a currency union or not”
Er….but the point is that there’s a significant difference between using the pound in a currency union and using it unofficially outside one.
Re. the “best of both worlds”.
The language of the totalist environment is characterized by the thought-terminating cliché. The most far-reaching and complex of human problems are compressed into brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases, easily memorized and easily expressed. These become the start and finish of any ideological analysis.
link to en.wikipedia.org
Darling doesn’t even have a ‘Plan A’ upon the outcome of a Yes vote… he just thinks everything bad.
No proposals, no vision and no aspirations… he is the no campaign.
Flipper must be really desperate though if he’s reduced to lying about 8 thousand Trident sub jobs going, the harder they lie the more they know they are finished.
@Gary
Is it just me or is EVERYTHING they say a lie? Obviously they’ve been doing this for years, they’re well practised and slick.
It certainly seems that way. As for them being slick, I much prefer to categorise them as slimy.
How come Alistair never got the dragon.
The advert for the BIG debate shows AS with a moustache. I said to my family that I did not think he had a moustache.The reply was the BBC are making him appear like Hitler silly!
Routine monstering and my family did not expect better from BBC.Oh dear!
Oh dear, another nail in the coffin of the SNP’s version of ‘independence’:
“One of the world’s top economists has warned that an independent Scotland’s economy would crash within seven years if it tried to use sterling.”
If only the yes campaign had been controlled and dominated by the Scottish Greens and their plans for real independence with a Scottish currency, rather than the SNP’s sham version that would keep us economically shackled to rUK.
link to theguardian.com
Can somebody define what the best of both worlds actually means in real terms? The Union treats us as second class citizens, lies to us, squanders our wealth, abuses us, under invests in our industry and infrastructure, forfeits out national interests to further their own. The home counties get the best of the Union. We don’t.
Then there’s second part of ‘both’ which is I presume the limited degree of autonomy which devolution delivers. We don’t actually have any ‘best of independence’, just the best of devolution. The strongest manifestation of devolution I see is the fight to defend Scotland’s interests and services from Westminster’s interference. Such energies and preoccupations disappear with independence. We don’t therefor get the best of limited autonomy either.
The Best of Both Worlds is a myth. The best we can expect is never more than a grubby compromise permanently rooted in the middle of the spectrum. We don’t get the best of anything, – ever.
“The best of both worlds” Is a scientific term for space cadets, or two faced politicians with their noses towards Westminster and their tails to Scotland.
Being a proud Scot means being in the tradition of Sir John de Menteith, Ramsay MacDonald, Wee Willie Rennie and their same party followers
Thanks for this article, Rev. Shared on Facebook. Re McLeish: what does it take to get this man to finally commit to Yes? He sounds like he knows it’s the right thing to do but for some reason he can’t get himself to commit to it.
His classic line about what currency he would use was…Well they are all rubbish.So in his world every other independent nation and currency is sub standard compared to the UK pound.What an arrogant and insulting narrow minded little P##ck.Good God I just can’t get over this level of arrogance.
Darling, when challenged about the affordability and feasibility (is that a word?, or did I make it up?) of Trident being removed from the Clyde, responds by saying words to the effect “instead of spending billions moving Trident, we can spend that money on Hospitals etc” FFS! FFS! What about the ethics of the thing, never mind that the money we can spend on civic things instead of buying a replacement for Trident is in the billions. The man is a class A idiot.
By the way, well done Sally Magnusson. It’s a start.
I emailed Mr Lamont on receipt of the above leaflet.
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Mr Lamont
I have just received the latest in the long line of BT propaganda via the post..
I am sure the entire edifice could be and doubtless has been destroyed by others but lets just stick to the first Q&A.
Q: “Will we still be able to use the UK pound…etc ” Edna Tait – Hawick
A : NO , the Chancer……..etc.. will not agree to Scotland using the pound…
False and deceitful as you well know – the pound is an internationally tradeable currency and anyone can use the pound.
The “true” answer is they have currently refused a currency union which is a different matter altogether. I know you understand all this fine but seem happy to parrot Westminsters/BT lies for whatever your personal agenda may be. You may well believe NO is the correct answer and you are entitled to that view but using untruths to achieve that is pretty sad.
I assume you will be producing another leaflet which corrects the large number of “anomalies”.
Dare you not dream of a better and fairer Scotland ?
Regards ….
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His reply (at least he bothered..)
Dear Mr Haudonthenoo,
I’m pleased that my leaflet has arrived.
I don’t accept your analysis but we will just need to agree to disagree.
Kind regards.
John
Gary says:
They most certainly cannot be trusted again, ever.
We should make sure after a yes, that the lies they have poured onto the Scottish people for their own ends are widely distributed so every one of us is aware and reminded of what they did.
They are finished here.
It wouldn’t even need Prof Robertson to compare the two interviews the big burd – FM and Sally – Flipper. We could get the new primary ones to tell us.
Oh, and by the way, Darling called Yes and SNP liars and then referred to himself as Scottish.
Was he not born in London, England in the 1950’s?
(by the way, in case anyone claims so, that’s not an anti English comment, just an observation of fact)
To be fair, given the fact that the Scottish Government’s own official white paper (produced at taxpayer’s expense) is riddled with lies and mistruths and false claims, we can’t really whine about anyone doing likewise.
Tam Jardine says:
“Henry McLeish seems to be egging himself on in this referendum, toying with the idea of crossing the floor and backing Yes.
And Kezia… its no too late for you either. You might even save your career! Now there is a cause a labour MSP can really get behind.”
Whatever the motivation, some ScoLabs crossing the floor at this point in the campaign would be a game changer. The more, the better. Come on ScoLab and ScotLib politicians, some of you know you really should make the jump to the winning side!
Stewart Mckenzie says:
14 August, 2014 at 6:53 pm
Oh dear, another nail in the coffin of the SNP’s version of ‘independence’:
Stewie, can Scotland do any worse than the Westminster freak show? And Ronald McDonald is a clown, works at McDonalds.
Their words tell us they are driven by fear and panic.
We are led by great hope and understanding.
They lie to us and cheat their own.
We inform and seek to give.
They cause neglect and failure.
We nurture growth and prosperity.
Our hope is eternal.
They have no future.
“We should make sure after a yes, that the lies they have poured onto the Scottish people for their own ends are widely distributed so every one of us is aware and reminded of what they did”
Like, for example, exposing the SNP’s white paper lie that Scotland “will” be in a currency union after independence, once the currency union is rejected and we’re forced to grub around for a non-existent plan B?
Does someone want to reboot ‘piggy’ it seems to be repeating itself.
their whole campaign is based on a print run, and endlessly repeating the same stuff over and over again.
good to see sincerity in politics has not fallen victim to greed.
so that’s diversity and creativity out of the window.
little boxes made out of ticky, tacky, comes to mind.
Trolljegeren, my favourite movie of the moment ……
@ Rough Bounds (14 August, 2014 at 5:43 pm)
A powerful picture you paint.
These stories and people and relations are the life of us, one that is forever vanishing and yet at the same time forever strengthening. We now are part of the strengthening: the mourning, the celebrating, the belonging. Thank you
Waiting for Henry Mcleish to endorse a Yes vote…
link to itv.com
Canon Wright warns of revenge if its a No…
link to eveningexpress.co.uk
OK come on guys own up who left the gate open? 😛
@Stewart Mckenzie
Read that nasty buffoon Carrell;s hourly monstering of all things Scots but come on dude, Scots oil is 20% of Scots GDP, even under Westminster but Ronald freakin MacDonald says we’ll overnight become a petro economy and a bankrupt one to boot
Ronald MacDonald should stick to burger flipping Stewie
“In a damning critique of Salmond’s proposals, MacDonald said that independence would immediately mean that Scotland became a petro-economy. That would leave it heavily exposed to higher prices in shops, wage rises, a significant trade deficit and increasingly expensive exports.”
I must admit though I was a wee bit surprised when Sally gave a heads up to the magnificent document produced by the Scottish Govt, Scotland’s Future when she asked Flipper why there was no equivalent vision from the nawbags old Flipper just gave it look a squirrel. The only white paper he could produce would be Andrex Velvet to wipe his mouth to clean all the shite from it.
I am an ordinary voter and as such I will not be eating trolls – I won’t even mention their “names”.
Where do I sign up I wunt to lead a life less ordinary.
Don’t feed it folks. Please.
Don’t feed it.
Did I hear right, did STV news at 6pm say that Professor Ronald MacDonald, said that Scottish independence would cause the stock markets to CRASH!!!!!
I know Professor MacDonald backs Better Together but surely this comment is dangerous scaremongering, and it could lead to some sort of panic.
The F One Show is asking people to send in pictures of the real CU Jimmies.
Maybe they should ask Russ Abott what he thinks of Scottish Independence.
I am going to stop watching this crap or I will have to increase my blood pressure meds.
Oh that’s right Jocks. It’s only a joke.
F right off BBC
my god, i didn’t realise there were so many tories in scotland !!!!!! those pandas need to get breeding, and quickly.
I’m sure that at the start of the programme Darling was sat there looking all smug as Larry, sorry Larry. 😉 By the end of the interview I’m sure I was beginning to see signs of steam coming out of the eyebrows’s ears! 😛
@ Paula Rose, I like trolls, free range, organic but deep fried with chips and a cheeky young chianti.
“the magnificent document produced by the Scottish Govt, Scotland’s Future”
You mean the document that many others in the yes campaign are criticising and blaming for the yes vote failure (so far)?
“Part of the problem is the SNP’s attempts to imply – quite wrongly – that a Yes vote is an endorsement of everything in their “white paper”, Scotland’s Future. By treating the referendum like an election, and trying to convince people that a Yes vote is a vote for this weighty manifesto, there is a real danger that they will alienate those who don’t support SNP policy on anything from corporate tax cuts to military expenditure. It’s tragic really”
link to patrickharviemsp.com
Sorry for going O/T
Mendacious, two faced, hypocritical, treacherous, devious, cynical, heartless liars. And those are just their good points.
Stewart McKenzie, writing the words
Of a sermon that no one will hear.
It’s just project fear…
Conan, splendid sir. An anagram of Eleanor Rigby: yer ignorable…
@ Lesley-Anne, Flipper’s an old soldier, he looks freaked out but he’s really blocking any interruption/questions with full on bettertogether bluster. He knew exactly the questions coming and had all the usual empty strength power safeness crap ready and waiting.
@Rough Bounds.
Nice sentiment, I couldn’t agree more, its not all about currency and material things, independence is much much deeper.
I do like that beautifully crafted prospectus that the Scottish Govt published, Scotland’s Future. I also like the Rev’s Wee Blue Book. Two magnificent productions that will be held up, rightly, as legendary in the campaign for a better Scotland
@ Stewart Mckenzie, come on Stewie, you posted a clown like Carrell’s Scotland;s a collapsed petro-economy in waiting and you got the stats back, so stop being such a dick.
“I do like that beautifully crafted prospectus that the Scottish Govt published, Scotland’s Future. I also like the Rev’s Wee Blue Book”
They’re both full of lies and unproven claims and made up ‘facts’, but to be fair given the former is an official government publication that was created using taxpayer’s money by (supposedly) neutral civil servants, and the latter is just an amateurish effort by some dedicated foot soldiers to the cause, I’d be inclined to forgive the latter more.
“They’re both full of lies”
Seeya!
Oh look. Second question on Mundell’s drivel sheet – Mr Allison, Biggar – that’ll be Alex of that ilk, former tory cooncillor, but now just an ordinary farmer, and regular with a BT/NT badge on whenever they can muster enough for a stall.
Must see who else is there.
Folks there are more than a few trolls spreading shit tonight don’t bite. We are under a attack, they must have got out of the sewer when they opened it to let Darling out to spew his lies to EBC.
Sally did pretty good with Flipper credit where credits due. Flipper just a PARASITE! Nasty vile excuse for a man,
“come on Stewie, you posted a clown like Carrell’s Scotland;s”
Er….I’m not sure you understand how articles work. Carrell wrote the article, but the claims in the article aren’t his, they’re the opinions of “one of the world’s top economists…Professor Ronald MacDonald, a currency expert who advises the International Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank”.
I’m sure though, as is always the way, his expert economic views will be trashed and attacked by the SNP followers, while the views of some other economic expert will be held up as the word of God by those very same individuals – simply because one agrees with their party and one doesn’t.
Mendacious, two faced, hypocritical, treacherous, devious, cynical, heartless liars.
I’m sorry, it’s still not enough to get you elected. Where’s spite, a strong sense of entitlement and the desire for enoblement at least?
@Stewart Mckenzie, They’re both full of lies and unproven claims and made up ‘facts,’are they not Stewie?
This is a cracker from our noble and honest neutral civil service in Whitehall, or just another bunch of con men, also buying full page ads in the ferocious NO Press and journal.
link to gov.uk
“Fact: During the last crisis the UK taxpayer shelled out £66 billion to bail out the banks – more than £1,000 for every man, woman and child in the UK. Including guarantees, UK taxpayers gave more than £320 billion of support to Royal Bank of Scotland alone. Could we really afford these sorts of sums on our own?”
Some Fact are more facty than others. Wont miss the teamGB civil service.
True enough heedtracker. It’s almost like he has his “here’s one I’ve prepared earlier” segment plugged in when he faces these sort of interviews. I loved his answer to what we will get if Scotland votes NO. Oh you’ll get a,b,c which just so happens to be exactly the same s***e we are already due to get via the Scotland Act 2012. What a pity he failed to understand the, in my view, very simple question from Sally.
I’ve come to the conclusion that Darling is the sort of person who when asked if he wanted milk and sugar with his tea answers no I want sugar and milk! 😛
@ Heedtracker – I could agree with young and cheeky but the Rev might rap my digits.
Good article challenging the Great Nictator and Labour about their claims that the Scottish NHS was in danger from the Tories during the 2010 campaign.
link to newsnetscotland.com
” I loved his answer to what we will get if Scotland votes NO. Oh you’ll get a,b,c”
At least that’s two more options than Salmond gave us on currency.
@ Stewart Mckenzie, ok forget Carrell, you posted it, why is Scotland going to become a petro-economy over night Stewie, let alone a failed one?
Ronald MacDonald is one of a number of Professors that are foisting UKOK propaganda on Scotland presumably in the hope that the title Professor means stuff like don’t talk back, with facts n shit.
These days have long past Stewie, in case you haven’t noticed
This really makes me angry. They rely on people in each of those constituencies not being able to talk to each other. They’re treating us like idiots. Can we write to them and ask them who each of these people are asking the same questions?!
@ Lesley-Anne, its meant to be about trust no? Its really about their work record and Flipper skipped by his past life as the Chancellor of the Exchequer with “I have experience of these things,” which may work, if you’re a goldfish:D
“Ronald MacDonald is one of a number of Professors that are foisting UKOK propaganda on Scotland”
Yes yes of course, he’s ‘biased’ and probably being ‘paid’ by the no campaign isn’t he.
Seriously, this sort of ludicrous tin hat conspiracy theory guff that you SNP followers come out with just makes you a laughing stock.
Ronald MacDonald made a clown of himself as will the career Brit Nat boy revolutionary, Owen Jones, against Tommy Sheridan on tonight’s telly.
@Handclapping
That along with arrogant, patronising and condescending would complete the set right enough.
I am not related to anyone in a political party , nor am i involved myself , so , i suppose i can’t be an “ordinary voter”…. What’s that make me then??
Re. Prof.Ronald MacDonald. Is Glasgow University not a bit of a unionist stronghold, as well as being his employer? Although he is currently the Adam Smith Professor of Political Economy at the Adam Smith School of Economics and Finance (University of Glasgow), the Adam Smith Institute appears to disagree with his opinion.
link to adamsmith.org
link to adamsmith.org
O/T.
Livestream from Bearsden.
Kevin contacted me. There are very few people at this event. Anyone in that area who can attend please do.
I didn’t get the usual e mail notification of the event.
Looking for details just now.
BigRik
it makes you someone who exercise’s their right to choose.
Lavinia! Theres a conservative name if ever I heard one.
@Stewart Mackenzie.
Re Ronald MacDonald, STV announced after his inane comment that Professor MacDonald was supporter of Better Together, now if that isn’t conclusive evidence I don’t know what is.
I do wish scatter mouths like yourself would do their homework before blabbing away, are David Mundell in disguise?.
Westerton Hall Maxwell Ave Bearsden.
@ Stewart Mckenzie, Yes yes of course, he’s ‘biased’ and probably being ‘paid’ by the no campaign isn’t he.
Stewie, luvy, read the article you posted you odd odd character.
Sevey Carrell, the wretched old shill sayeth Ronald MacDonald is battering at Scotland and the future of Scotland but
“He insisted he had done so because Better Together had commissioned him, and would have been “very happy” to give the same advice to the Scottish government, and denied taking a partisan stance on the referendum.”
Prof MacDonald says he’s paid by Bettertogether to be neutral! and then he pukes fantastically biased vote NO grot based on a Scots oil GDP stat that even I can right click google. Maybe I should call myself the Professor Stewie?
you SNP followers
He’s not been on this blog long then.
Why dont we talk about the differences between the SNP’s position and that of the Scottish Greens for the rest of the night – I miss those discussions.
We might even learn something new!
heedtracker says:
@ Lesley-Anne, its meant to be about trust no? Its really about their work record and Flipper skipped by his past life as the Chancellor of the Exchequer with “I have experience of these things,” which may work, if you’re a goldfish 😀
There you go again heedtracker making assumptions about Better Thanks/No Together/ Project Feart or whatever. Didn’t you get the e-mail? You know the one it laid out what BT/NT/PF whatever understand, or rather do NOT understand, by the meaning of trust. 😛
To be honest I’m amazed he even admitted having a past life of any description whatsoever. 😉
Methinks the tellentroll has had enough exposure here for one day.
See you on the Guardian.
I’m starting to wonder who is the real troll?
Anyone got the link for livestream Bearsden?
Re McLeish, I think he is going to come out for Yes soon. I think he will do it at a time to create maximum impact which I would think will be around 2 -3 weeks before 18 September. He has come as close to doing so as he can without actually saying “Vote Yes”.
Question is, are there any other Labour big beasts ready to do the same? I certainly hope so. If there are, I suspect they will co-ordinate the timing of their announcements. Exciting times.
@ Stewart Mckenzie, actually Stewie its a very cunning thingee there from Prof Ronald as in,
I Prof Ronald am forecasting economic catastrophe for independent Scotland and yes I am being paid by Bettertogether but I would give the same prediction to SNP Scots.gov, so that makes me neutral.
Genius Prof, meet Prof Curtice, a n other neutral.
I thought Alistair Darling didn’t come across very well tonight. It looked like he wasn’t going to let many of Magnusson’s questions be asked. Too much of the verbals. He just hogged the interview and come over as selfish and unthinking. The answers he did give came out by rote.
This is on now
link to new.livestream.com
Juteman
If there is a way to convey sarcasm more effectively, I am not aware of it. Just saying hello to an auld aquaintance.
Funny enough TD I was just saying exactly the same thing about McLeish to my partner. I have always thought from day 1 that he was edging towards coming out for YES and this latest instalment yet again nudges him ever closer to grasping that nasty little thistle otherwise known as being a YES supporter. 😛
Come on Henry you know you want to come out for YES. You know deep down inside that not only is your heart telling you it is the right move but your head is in total agreement! 😉
Mark Carney, November 2013:
“My predecessor did have some very basic technical discussions with Mr Salmond within the course of the last couple of years. I certainly welcome the opportunity to have those discussions.”
link to bbc.co.uk
John Swinney, August 2014:
“The Scottish Government has had technical discussions with the Bank of England regarding our proposal for a currency union and we welcome their continued acknowledgement that the bank will introduce whatever the politicians decide.”
Bank of England spokesman, 14th August 2014:
“To be clear… the Bank of England has not entered into discussions with representatives of the Scottish government about proposals for future monetary arrangements in Scotland.
“As the Governor said yesterday, the design of any changes to UK monetary and financial arrangements would ultimately be a matter for negotiation between the Westminster and Scottish Parliaments. The Bank of England will deliver whatever remit it is given.”
The Bank says that in previous conversations between the Scottish Government and Mr Carney’s predecessor, Lord King of Lothbury, the Bank “did no more than answer technical questions from representatives of the Scottish government“.
Why is this such a big story exactly? It’s all over the MSM and Alistair Darling mentioned it tonight on Reporting Scotland.
@ Lesley-Anne, sorry, Ive just been round my bowl once and forgot everything that’s ever happened. So Alistair Darling was Chancellor you say, how did that go? Really really well, interesting…
No one will know where we put our cross in the secrecy of the polling booth. However, if the labour people are going to cross the floor it is better if they come out and say it before hand so that they take others with them.
I cannot for the life of me see that they are not aware of what they are letting Scotland in for if it’s a NO vote. They must put Scotland before self interest.
I heard the biggest labour beast ever is going to come out as yes.Overheard in Gregg’s:”More Bridie’s Jackie”..slurp drool” oh Yes please who needs food banks”.
I find it interesting that Scots economy is £150 bn per year and yet Ronald McDonald says it’ll shrink by £100bn per year in 7 years…
Sound feasible?
Alexander Burnett’s say no to independence leaflet, the same one as featured on here was taped to a sign post near my house, on the same evening my Yes sign, which was put up with the farmers permission was thrown in a ditch, it was put up again and again vandalised.
I have got a plan B for next time tho, and Tory toffs leaflet was used tae light the fire.
Its like some B rated si-fi film. “The Day Of The Union Snatchers” Iv got my glasses on Rev
Tis easy explained “morphic knowledge”
Another one for Kirrie Aye TV’s virtual wall.
P.S. Check out the irony of the horrendous parsing of the cut’n paste job on the left and the words used:
“whilst
making our
0 w n
decisions”
Scotland Tonight. Rhonda seems to think it’s great that Rory Bremner will give his take on the referendum. I think we know what that means–the man has unionist form.
Scotland Tonight. Rhonda seems to think it’s great that Rory Bremner will give his take on the referendum. I think we know what that means–the man has unionist form.
Trolls think of this blog as a sort of kabadi game, where they jump in spouting “pish” continuously and hope to snare a poster before the Rev blanks them and they have to get a new “identity”.
I just wish they wouldn’t
Got a reply from mr mundell,
He cannot answer my query as he is not my MP.
Anyone here got the pleasure of being stuck with him as their MP fancy resending my email to him and see what he comes up with.
Email is in my post at 6.09pm
Thanks chaps.
6.09pm.
Can someone please direct the troll to the exit as it appears to be a wee bit wandered.
Is Ronald MacDonald that clown who promotes mechanically recovered meat? Just asking, because I’ve seen more appetising pictures of effluent.
heedtracker says:
@ Lesley-Anne, sorry, Ive just been round my bowl once and forgot everything that’s ever happened. So Alistair Darling was Chancellor you say, how did that go? Really really well, interesting…
WHIT?
Did I say that?
Wow, I must have had a Daily Mail (SPIT) moment there then heedtracker. 😛
I’m currently watching the foodbank and Welfare reform meeting in Bearsden. Heart wrenching. I really, really, REALLY wish we had the power to take every singple unionist b*****d and stick them in a room and make them listen to these stories from the people who are at the sharp end of this disgusting situation caused 100% by WESTMINSTER!
Only voting YES WILL help these people and 1,000’s like them and more importantly will ensure we can get the government that actually CARES about the people of Scotland. We all know Westminster doesn’t give a s***e about Scotland or the people of Scotland. Come on people we CAN do this. We WILL do this, NOT for ourselves but for people like Dennis Curran and Julie from Maryhill food bank!
There got that off my chest, rant over, back to Bearsden now. 😛
handclapping
Ever though how similar kabadi is to British bulldogs. 🙂
Chic,
When you were jpging WBB did you manage to produce A5s that could be used?
I think a few A5s would be very handy for some people with larger type.
“my Yes sign, which was put up with the farmers permission was thrown in a ditch”
Wow, well done on finding a farmer who supports independence, they’re almost as rare as a hen’s tooth:
link to fwi.co.uk
For my crimes geeo I have Mr Mundell as my *ahem* M.P. so he has been duly e-mailed. 😛
funny That
link to facebook.com
“Only voting YES WILL help these people and 1,000?s like them”
But the SNP government already have control over many of the powers necessary to address the causes and reasons for poverty – economic development, education and training, healthcare, housing, law and order, local government.
Their utter failure to even bother attempting to try to deal with the causes and reasons for poverty during their entire 7 years in power is shameful.
Found something on the Cammy Young of Peebles (can’t be too many of them)- enjoying that mass participation sport of the grafters, horse racing. Must be real salt of the earth, he’s the one without a top hat on.
link to peeblesshirenews.com
He’s described as the ex-cornet of Peebles 2012, which I presume is a great local honour, so he should get along well with Tubatastic Blair and his organisation full of trumpets.
He’s also described as ‘horse-mad’ – you can supply your own punchlines. (I bet he’s voting ‘neigh’ etc)
This Ronald McDonald ‘study’ clearly a spoiler…
First Sir Donald Mackay talks sense and undermines Better Together, then the BoE contingency planning and Carney comments undermine BT too…
Next thing Better Togethers main economist comes out with DOOM prediction that makes no sense but guaranteed to grab headlines…
Remember that this is the guy who tried to deflect attention away from £1400 ‘cost’ of Danny Alexander’s when it was debunked by insisting it was TOO LOW.
Make your own mind up… I’ll wait for the ScotGov response tomorrow
Stewart Mckenzie
Funny you should mention farmers supporting Independence. Here is a report about the exact same, in the rabidly Yes supporting Press and Journal.
link to pressandjournal.co.uk
Wow, well done on finding a farmer who supports independence, they’re almost as rare as a hen’s tooth:
Like the FOUR frmr farmers union presidents backing yes???
a2 regards farmers.What’s this noise ..wooft? Another unionist lie dropping into the cludgy.These people are not only liars but particularly bad liars.Do keep up unionists you will need to start getting out of bed at farmer o’clock to come up with something original.
Whats going to happen to you Stewart? when you have to report back to you handlers that your attempts to break the seperatists will have had no effect?
It’ll be back to the typing pool for you mlad, no more black ops, or is it wet ops? (as in in wetting your pants).
Something blowing the barley?
Awe John go easy on him he’s no very bright.He will have to go back to Troll night school now!I tell you the standards are really dropping these days.
“Like the FOUR frmr farmers union presidents backing yes”
Er….no, like the tiny pitiful 10% of farmers who back yes (compared to a massive 72% who supporter no) according to a poll of almost 2,500 ordinary Scottish farmers.
link to fwi.co.uk
Is Edinburgh Dave back in disguise?
@G H Graham says: 14 August, 2014 at 4:48 pm:
“If it is indeed true that I am not allowed to keep the Pound Sterling, will someone from the Unionist/Better Together/NoThanks/UKOK/NoBorders/UK Gov/Treasury explain when the money in my bank account is going to be confiscated & what will I receive in return, if anything?”
Well I did post it already but on another thread. So I’ll post it again here.
What is deposited in the BofE vaults is BofE notes. Not in denominations like in your purses and wallets but Promisory Notes none the less. The Scottish notes you have promise to pay you Pounds Sterling. Have a look if you do not believe me.
So the Scottish banknotes promise you sterling and the BofE promises the Scottish Banks to make that promise good. The real big fact that seems to have gone over most folks heads is that Oor Eck has played a real blinder and Westminster is Hoist by its own Petard.
Here’s the logic and truth of the matter : –
Eck tells them in no uncertain terms, “Scotland will use the Pound “and would prefer a Currency Union”
This means that the choice of currency union or no currency union is exclusively Westminster’s choice”.
The ba is now in Westminster’s court and Scotland’s ONLY choice is PLAN A. There are thus no other plans. The total numpties are so bloody inept that it flies right over their heads and ever since they are dancing upon the spot, stamping their wee, (all shot to hell), feet and demading like spoiled bairns, “Tell us your plan B”? ad infinitum”.
Had you not realised that the instant that Scotland insists she will keep, HER OWN CURRENCY the pound but would rather do so in a currency union that whether we get one or not is no longer for Scotland to choose?
If there is to be a plan B it is Westminster that will choose it and it can only be to use Sterling with NO Currency Union but if that’s the case then what of the UK national debt? Eck has played a blinder and backed the whole bloody lot of them into a corner.
Now next time one of them demands he tell then Plan B you can roar at the screen or speaker – “You Tell us as we have no further say in the matter”.
@johnking – I preferred oor Stewpot in this…
link to youtube.com
@ Big Jock – Its such a shame, we used to have quality here but now all we get are the wee must try harder sort, maybe that’s all that’s left?
“you cannot say that we fail to back up our arguments with evidence”
So where is the ‘evidence’ for the following uncited claim made in the book then?
“The rebate is a sum of money paid by the EU to the
entire UK, including Scotland. It’s therefore a moveable
UK asset, and as such will be part of the independence
negotiations like any other asset. Scotland is entitled
to its share.”
Where is the ‘evidence’ for the claims made in the book that “most” economic experts think the UK parties are bluffing and that “most” economic experts think using sterling unofficially is a “BETTER” plan for Scotland?
And that’s from just a quick glance through the book, I’m sure there are numerous other unproven unevidenced claims.
Bless
TrollBoy said
“Er….no, like the tiny pitiful 10% of farmers who back yes (compared to a massive 72% who supporter no) according to a poll of almost 2,500 ordinary Scottish farmers.”
OOPS
“Of the 2,497 farmers polled, 529 were from Scotland ”
Back to paper shuffling duties for you.
Stewart Mckenzie says:
14 August, 2014 at 8:42 pm
I see 350 of the 2500 farmers said they woould be voting NO at a forum of UK farmers.
Why didn’t you say!
It’s all over given that resounding set of data.
Yes , it must be Edinburgh Dave.. i take it he has a book of Scottish names.. Next Week , Hamish McSporran , it probably sound better than the real name…Tarquin Blythe-Bagshott.
Ordinary, so ordinary, I love being in an extraordinary country.
“The ba is now in Westminster’s court and Scotland’s ONLY choice is PLAN A. There are thus no other plans…If there is to be a plan B it is Westminster that will choose it and it can only be to use Sterling with NO Currency Union but if that’s the case then what of the UK national debt?”
What on earth are you babbling about? Why on earth would Westminster need to decide a plan B for what would be a separate state?!
I know you SNP followers are desperate to cling on to Westminster as much as you can, but demanding that it now makes a decision on what currency a separate independent Scotland should use is ridiculous.
The plan B failure is entirely the fault of the SNP and the onus is on them, and them alone, to find us another option if the currency union is rejected.
Even his horse disagrees with him (Beg to Differ)!
Hey Stewart just as well yon SNP government scrapped tuition fees.Yon resits would have been costing you a fortune!
Stewart Mckenzie says:
14 August, 2014 at 8:45 pm
Congrats
You are the first poster who has managed to convey panic in the written word.
Continue to practise. I have a feeling it will get easier over the next few weeks.
“I see 350 of the 2500 farmers said they woould be voting NO at a forum of UK farmers”
Only 52 of them said they’d vote yes.
Oh dear.
@Big Rik
It’s tellen1 – identical posts on here at 7.10 and the Guardian at 7.40. (Could also be Edinburgh Dave, of course, as well as at least one other.)
whoops,
that last refers to Jamie A @8.32
wow 350 out of 5 million what a deal breaker 🙂
Clootie does the scatter gun panic hectoring not just remind you of that dancing eyebrows fella.You know the one that dyes his eyebrows but not his hair due to the austerity thingammy.
Stewart Mckenzie says:
14 August, 2014 at 8:50 pm
“…you SNP followers”
Another piece of info you shouldn’t have given away – we have a Labour Troll.
Also quite a new one as any of experience would have known the make up of this site.
Time to stop throwing scraps to the dog.
handclapping
Trolls think of this blog as a sort of kabadi game, where they jump in spouting “pish” continuously and hope to snare a poster before the Rev blanks them
Great game is kabadi. Had a wee look on Wikipedia – turns out the name derives from the Tamil words Kai-pidi, which literally mean “(let’s) hold hands”
So mibbe that’s what Rory the Tory was really trying: a failed attempt at the Guinness World Record for the largest Kabadi chain across the border EVER!
Repeating “Kabadi kabadi kabadi!” around the union memorial cairn is more achievable. I’d like to see that.
btw has anyone found that elusive positive agenda for remaining UKish?
Not just a Labour Troll Clootie but a seriously pissed off Labour Troll still fuming over the 2007 Holyrood result as per Lamont’s instructions. 😛
The currency options are set out in some detail in that marvellous blueprint published by the Scottish Govt, Scotland’s Future, all your questions will be answered in this mighty piece of democratic literature.
“we have a Labour Troll”
Presumably you’re aware of the fact that there are more than 2 political parties in Scotland?
@Lesley – Anne.
Thanks for that.
Was kinda fishing for you to do it anyhoo…but i cannot be seen to show favouritism to a fellow Insomniac for Yesser..lol
“The currency options are set out in some detail in that marvellous blueprint published by the Scottish Govt, Scotland’s Future”
You mean the fiscal commission’s academic assessment of the currency options, none of which are developed or planned to any level of detail?
The fiscal commission who strongly urged against Salmond’s likely plan B – sterlingisation?
Oh dear.
A labour 👿 then confirmed 😀
In the Burnett leaflet the question asked by Marcus of Dinnet is probably Marcus Humphrey one time Tory Councillor
Are the UK government going to pre/negotiate on who gets custody of the famous dancing eyebrows?Or will we just auction them like the Tunnochs Tea cakes.They are techbnicaly a shared asset to the Yes campaign.Lol.
o/t – Have a look on twitter at the conversation between Andrew Nicoll (political editor of the Sun), Simon Johnson (the Telegraph) and Ben Riley-Smith. It would appear the Bank of England told Andrew Nicoll that there have been discussiona with between the Bank of England and the Scottish Government on a currency union.
Have you noticed how ordinary those people at the top of the page are? Do the other parties in Scotland have ordinary people as well?