Wings Over Scotland

Jeez do we NEED hope and aspiration, especially at this time.

Ta

Nicely done.

And everyone has a smile just like when we march,we must be the happiest downtrodden people in history. MON EH HAMISH . 😉

Timing is everything. For the generations to come we must win this time. I cannot understand why anyone would trust Westminster now!

However the reality remains. It is only our fellow citizens holding us back. What other nation would hesitate to take a different path never mind one with our resources and people.

This time!

We are all heading in the right direction, convert one folks just convert one, then we will have something to smile about.

Nice Chris

As voters now come face-to-face with the harsh reality of Brexit,false barriers are disappearing/collapsing/crumbling,more and more folk are deciding to do the right thing and who can blame them.

#Yes

Is the lies finally coming out.
Is company’s now realising they have also been lied to by the top people
Is that there last tactic now, get all the Bad/Good news out at the one time while something else is going on.

Vote SNP, SNP/SNP or YES, nothing else.

NS needs to exhaust all options and not be drawn out too early. She must be in a position to say – when the question is asked (and it will be) – ‘we tried that, and that, we tried all of that, and it was all in vain’…….then come in heavy with our own Campaign Brexit FEAR!!! – You! – Old Person! – you are going to DIE POOR!! Brexit will empty the Country of resources, talent and money.

Threaten their future pension payments by refusing to guarantee them under the new British Regime. Only then will people swithering in the middle, who are flipped by the currency question to No, be able to find the courage to vote Yes.

We live in a country full of self serving cowards and unfortunately we need to win a sizeable majority of them over to Yes. We might not like what we have to do over the coming months. Anyone valuing principle over what needs to be done and how we need to do it can feel free to take a seat at the back.

It is time to fight dirty. Promise them money. Promise them security. Promise them prosperity in the EU as an Independent Scotland. Smear the British Regime as Liars, incompetents and buffoons. Offer to give with one hand and pummel the british regime with the other, day in and day out until the message gets through. Refuse to engage with the Regime Media and do it the hard way, town by town, village by village.

Whatever it takes – because Scotland must now be won.

And it needs to start with a steady hand, ready, but waiting, clear on what lies ahead and having confidence in NS to blow the whistle when the time is right.

A good omen well done. I read it as soon it will be normal to be part of an independence Scotland movement.
Dunkeld and Birnam branch out on streets of Dunkeld today our day of action. Might print of the cartoon and staple it to the stall

Very fitting for the day of action.

Get out today and make ourselves as visible as possible.

Something good is always worth waiting for.

Scotland tends to celebrate it’s history of innovation. rUK tends to celebrate it’s industrial heritage. The former merges the past, present and future while the latter only looks back. It’s pretty clear which one should do well going forward.

Good shout Chris, there is a light on the horizon. We just need patience and fortitude to get us to the light.

I see that Broadcasting Scotland’s crowdfunder needs a push. They are at 42% of their target with only two days to go. They have been doing some very good stuff, their Full Scottish is a weekly must see. They’ve had some very interesting debates and guests.

They have the making of a studio based Scottish TV channel that can provide an alternatice to the britishstate shite we are fed from London.

Please give then whatever support you can. Every wee donation of subscription will make a difference.

link to crowdfunder.co.uk

Independence is for most of us a normal natural thing to do, it allows for freedom of governance, choice of economic and social futures leading to possible prosperities Scotland has never had but, the people who oppose these things for Scotland don’t think that way, the people who oppose Independence don’t actually oppose Independence they oppose us and that’s a different thing

Just like in Northern Ireland the people who support the DUP will go to any lengths including self harm to oppose anything that could lead to the reunification of Ireland, those people in Scotland who oppose Independence are of the same mindset but in the opposite direction

Theresa May’s *deal* has nothing to do with prosperity for anybody or closeness to the EU, Theresa May’s deal is all about clinging on to the ownership of Scotland and if Northern Ireland is to be sacrificed at the end of it then so be it because Northern Ireland is worth nothing to a broke UK and moreover an even bigger financial burden than it is now, the DUP know it and I’d bet my house Nicola Sturgeon knows it too and that’s why the delay in calling any Indyref because it’s more than a little likely the next phase in the pursuit of Independence for Scotland will be monstrously harder than the first attempt

Westminsters powers that be are well aware of how nearly they lost last time and they are not prepared to be caught napping again, Alex Salmond took them by surprise, Nicola Sturgeon doesn’t have that advantage they can see her coming and they’re preparing, and in that preparation if Westminster are happy to ditch a whole province in order to protect their ownership of Scotland that should inform and warn us of how serious they are about keeping hold of their most lucrative financial and strategic asset

The weaponry deployed to prevent Scotlands democracy is going to be massive and hugely more fierce than last time, Westminster will threaten everybody with everything they have and that includes business, broadcasting, Unions and no doubt a whole host more things I haven’t even thought of

There will be no free and fair debating, no equal time allocations of TV, no truth whatsoever in every statement they make because they’ve just learned from the Brexit argument people don’t care about the truth, they respond to grand lying gestures much more easily plus they make for better press and TV coverage

Like Farage did they will employ hatred, sectarianism and scaremongering to the maximum to get themselves over the line and Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP knows it

So while many are keen to chide the First Minister for being slow or cautious it’s important to remember those people are not standing in the First Ministers wee tartan shoes with the weight and responsibility of the whole country on their back to get this right

I wouldn’t want to be her would you?

We will win but only if we do not become mirror images of what we are struggling against.
If we fight dirty are not honest then we will probably loose.

Openness and optimism will win.

In some ways, I think those who voted NO last time are better and more forgiving people than me.

They wanted to believe that ‘British fair play’ is real rather than an oxymoron.
They wanted to believe that Scotland is a valued partner.
They wanted to believe that the U.K. could change.
They gave the U.K. one more chance.
The U.K. could have saved the Union if they had taken note of it’s ‘near death experience’ and mended it’s ways. They didn’t and by returning to ‘business as usual’ they have sealed the fate of the Union.

There must be no ‘I told you so’ or disparagement.
We must be welcoming and inclusive (the biggest test of our patience and values will be our attitude to Scots who say NO all the way to the end of Union).

If Scotland is re-born through dirty means (or worse, violence) that is how Scotland is will be. We must not follow that path.

The British fear Ghandi far more than Braveheart. They know how to deal with aggression, lies and even violence -it is their stock and trade. They cannot handle openness, forgiveness and inclusivity.

Auld gits for independence!

@ Conan the Librarian, aye, I suspect that there’s a lot more of us auld gits for indy lurking around. Nice to have some company.

Dr.Jim – well said.

Indyref2 will be no walk in the park. England CANNOT afford to lose Scotland. Perfidious Albion to the core.

link to facebook.com

Y’know, I reckon one of the best things we could ever do for our side is finding reams of Better Together’s old propaganda and plastering it everywhere. Remind everyone of what they promised. It hits harder now.

Yep, definitely need ‘Auld Gits for Indy’ badges.

All week the BBC and MSM has smirked and said Spain does not have a veto on tomorrow’s agreement regarding the Gibraltar situation…today they have just realised that if Spain does not turn up in Brussels tomorrow then there can not be an EU agreement…there is frantic UK/Spain negotiations in Brussels at this moment…keep watching for another Theresa ‘compromise’!

Brexit has merely turned up the heat on an independence movement that has been simmering way since Indyref1. This is an educated, outward looking democratic movement that will reach its final destination,independence is normal.
WM has created several constitutional crises-the key ingredients are political ignorance and hubris. A very heady mix of toxic rhetoric and deceit- and no amount of dancing to Abba, pomp or ceremony can undo the demise of the UK.

‘UK politics is effectively consumed by English divisions over Brexit, divisions which will not disappear when and if Brexit happens. And, given Scotland’s pro-EU outlook, Scotland’s simmering constitutional and political disconnect to the rest of the UK will surely continue too’

link to ukandeu.ac.uk

‘According to Matts Braun of Södertörn University, visits by Prince William and his wife, also sent to Sweden by the FCO on a royal charm offensive, changed nothing and the clumsy handling by the government of “the Brexit negotiations so far have strengthened Swedish support for EU membership.” Until Brexit Swedish diplomats “had British diplomats as preferred first partners for consultations. This era has gone. The position of the UK for Sweden will be different whatever the outcome of the negotiations and then it will not matter that Theresa May dances to ABBA’

link to socialeurope.eu

Independence coming soon.

May has negotiated a ‘deal’ that will cost more with less rights. There still be migration but more red tape, expense and bureaucracy for business.

The Tory/unionists are in a complete mess. They do not know which way to turn. Labour are useless. A complete shambles. Another GE soon. An increased SNP majority. Then another IndyRef.

The adulterer DR reporting someone’s ‘fling’. Total hypocrites. The lying VOW fooled some people again.

May did not let unaccompanied migrant children into Britain. Evel person.

How can anyone ‘enjoy’ Christmas when people are being sanctioned and starved. It is despicable. There is absolutely no need for it. Or austerity cutting funding for public services. The Westminster unionists were elected to protect. The tax revenues are up. There is absolutely no reason for cutting Scotland’s budget. The Tories are a disgrace.

Some fisher folk and farmers are reaping what they sow. Let down again by the Westminster Gov. Some people never learn.

I am an European! How dare the English take that from me!

I have worked in The Netherlands, Italy, Spain and France and visited on business Norway and Austria. Amazing change of attitude especially in France when they find out I am Ecossais not Anglais.

SOON!!

hows about

miserable auld basarts fur indy?

i’m in

it only takes two to start a revolution 🙂

I’m 49… can I be an auld git too?

Great cartoon Chris, catches the mood right enough.

Re Nicola Sturgeon and the People’s Vote. We’ve been saying long enough that we need to speak to and convert the No Voters. I think Nicola’s current position is doing exactly that. She not speaking to the Yes movement (we’re in the bank so to speak) she is speaking to the No’s and representing them and their concerns over Brexit. And because it’s UK wide, as is the pressure for the Peoples Vote, the Brutish media are broadcasting it (for the moment).

If you look at it from that position, she is playing an absolute blinder.

Every Yesser is an ambassador for Scotland and for Scotland’s Independence. We said that last time out, now we face the biggest threat to our country since WW2 – and make no mistake, the economic ruin from Brexit will cost lives.

As a country, we need our former No Voters – the bulk of them – to have confidence in us, in their country and in themselves, and we need all the shoulders tae the wheel.

And yes, the auld empire will play extremely dirty, there is no doubt. The Ghandi method is the only one that works.

Peace and love.

link to facebook.com

We’re streets ahead LoL .

I like the notion of Auld Gits For Indy, but, have decided, after following that link which the esteemed Mr Anderson posted, to apply to join Coffin Dodgers For Indy – that’s more my style.

That thin line between Linea in Spain and Gibralter in the U.K. may become million-mile gulf come Sunday evening.

Hindsight – the average person’s PhD.

Socrates MacSporran awaiting to approve your application no preamble required as with other yes pages .

Very inspiring Chris!

A wee spot of hope and cheer in these uncertain times.

Empty Brexit seat at the table from Spain likely.
Spaniard in the works!

PS:
Linky thing for the curling final for those that are interested.

Scotland v Sweden begins at 13:00hrs

link to youtube.com

Josef O Luain Wee correction its La Linea

Nice one Chris, expresses the true hope and positivity of the Indy movement. You know, I could rest content if I knew for certain that we would be Independent in 20 or 30 years.

An excerpt from George Monbiot:

Soon after it (The Adam Smith Institute) was founded (in 1977), the institute approached “all the top companies”. About 20 of them responded by sending cheques. Its most enthusiastic supporter was the coup plotter James Goldsmith, one of the most unscrupulous asset strippers of that time. Before making one of his donations, Pirie writes, “he listened carefully as we outlined the project, his eyes twinkling at the audacity and scale of it. Then he had his secretary hand us a cheque for £12,000 as we left”.

From the beginning, senior journalists on the Telegraph, the Times and the Daily Mail volunteered their services. Every Saturday, in a wine bar called the Cork and Bottle, Margaret Thatcher’s researchers and leader writers and columnists from the Times and Telegraph met staff from the Adam Smith Institute and the Institute of Economic Affairs. Over lunch, they “planned strategy for the week ahead”. These meetings would “co-ordinate our activities to make us more effective collectively”. The journalists would then turn the institute’s proposals into leader columns while the researchers buttonholed shadow ministers.

Soon, Pirie says, the Mail began running a supportive article on the leader page every time the Adam Smith Institute published something. The paper’s then editor, David English, oversaw these articles himself, and helped the institute to refine its arguments.

As Pirie’s history progresses, all references to funding cease. Apart from tickets donated by British Airways, no sponsors are named beyond the early 1980s. While the institute claims to campaign on behalf of “the open society”, it is secretive and unaccountable. Today it flatly refuses to say who funds it.

Pirie describes how his group devised and refined many of the headline policies implemented by Thatcher and John Major. He claims (and produces plenty of evidence to support it) either full or partial credit for the privatisation of the railways and other industries, for the contracting-out of public services to private companies, for the poll tax, the sale of council houses, the internal markets in education and health, the establishment of private prisons, GP fundholding and commissioning and, later, for George Osborne’s tax policies.

Pirie also wrote the manifesto of the neoliberal wing of Thatcher’s government, No Turning Back. Officially, the authors of the document – which was published by the party – were MPs such as Michael Forsyth, Peter Lilley and Michael Portillo. “Nowhere was there any mention of, or connection to, myself or the Adam Smith Institute. They paid me my £1,000 and we were all happy.” Pirie’s report became the central charter of the doctrine we now call Thatcherism, whose praetorian guard called itself the No Turning Back group.

link to archive.fo

@Dr Jim
I think (and hope) the National keeps a handle on them, and bars the odd one or two – and they are definitely odd. One or two are genuine people though, or at least, posted in the Herald during Indy Ref 1 under the same name. One or two fakers.

No, I did say “fakers” 🙂

The inescapable fact about the constitutional debate is that one part of Scottish society is desperate for change and the other is happy with the way things are. How do we get those who are happy with the status quo to vote yes at a future indyref?

To do that, of course there needs to be positive and hopeful message but to shift attitudes there may be need for some of the negative tactics that the British nationalists use but this should only be done for the no-voters own good.

By doing this for their ‘own good’, I mean too many Scots are blinkered and frankly in a siege mentality against even the notion of independence due to the lies, deceit and manipulation of the British establishment to the point where they would beggar themselves economically if it means clinging to this notion of Britishness.

With myself, I am normally an open-minded person and listen to reason but at times I can be pig-headed and cling to my position no matter what when I get it in my head to do so, even when I am wrong. At these times, family, friends and work colleagues have had to tell me bluntly, cajoled me and frankly manipulate me like for instance not telling me things as ‘I don’t need to know’ and lying.

Most of the times I have come around and seen the sense of these actions although I may not agree with how these individuals have went about it but at other times, especially in at work, I see the Machiavellian motives of these individuals which was resulted in losing trust and respect in them.

If these tactics are to be used to get no voters onboard for their own good, it can only be down from the moral high ground. Brexit is probably the best chance to get independence but for it to work, it means Nicola Sturgeon and the Scottish government has to exhaust every option available within the current system before the option of independence can be delivered to the Scottish people. I know that doesn’t sit well with some indy supporters but it needs to be done.

Once every option is exhausted and independence is the only option then it means we go in to that campaign with our hands cleans and on the moral high ground. Of course the only way to win it is to be positive but there are times when we need to play dirty and frankly need to give some no voters a metaphysical kick up their backsides to shake them out of their pig-headed stupidity and get them to vote the way that is ultimately for their own good.

To be honest, I’m that great at writing and hopefully I have explained enough to what I am trying to get across.

Immigration benefits to Scotland:

Because of the aging population and a lack of local reproduction a 3% reduction in Scotland’s working age population will lead to the emptying of the highlands and islands by 2040 Mike Russell said

Don’t tell me the UK don’t know what they’re doing

Ronnie Anderson

I applied to CDFI under my own name, rather than as Socrates (my pen name) and have been accepted. Looking forward to contributing and, thanks for having me.

SO has anybuddy worked out Cairnstoon Hamish’s body language and stance…

Have ye a further pondering look and thinky.

Me thinks me knows.

Do you..?

Good luck Socrates macsporran

To PacMan..
I understand your theme, it’s a good one, but it will not work in Scotland, there will always be Tory voters who will not vote for independence and Labour and Lib Dems who will not vote for Scottish independence but yes there are some who will and can be persuaded but they are a small group.
By far the biggest troubling group that stopped Scottish independence in 2014 were English people who will not only vote against Scottish independence but will vote tactically shifting between Tory labour Lib Dems in order to keep SNP out, they are a huge number half a million voters and most of them will return to live and work in England and nearly all of them will retire in England.
They are the real problem, we have been colonised and our politicians appear content to allow this usurpation from within to continue.

I just can’t understand all this support for the ‘hold’ option. The reason for the SNP is independence, not to try and broker a better Brexit deal. Name a date, let people have hope and strike while Westminster is fighting on other fronts. People are committing suicide because of sanctions. Use the mandate!

Today I went for a cup of tea in the M&S cafe in Dundee
I wore my “vote for Scottish independence badge” on my coat
Alongside it I wore a smaller CND badge
I received a couple of smiles as I passed people
I received a couple of stares whilst I enjoyed my cup of tea ,it was old ladies that stared and younger men and women that smiled.
Does it mean much ? Not really but I’m proud to show that I want my country to handle its own affairs and stop this rediculous situation where we allow another country to control our wealth and control the way we live and just give us pocket money with instructions saying what we should and should not spend it on.
Ludicrous ,people get a life,take control show some responsibility and show a good example to the young people of your country.

Clootie at 8.06

Indeed this is all about our future generations and good call on it is only us who hold ourselves back. Should be our cry to all in Scotland.

Sunshine So what is the SNP strategy for people unemployed and claiming benefits but refusing to apply for jobs then if not a sanction, a benefits increase?

Liz G 2.40

Ok that sounds like a definitive enough answer! Like I said though I haven’t actually read it b/c was in a rush and thought it might nave been interesting due to the “questioning” nature of the headline.

Anyway, from the previous thread –

“Cherry says:
24 November, 2018 at 12:41 am
I’m so angry at this blatant attempt to once again plunder our resources. I like most on here have family living and working in England, so my venom is not aimed at English folks. There has to be a case here for us to actually put this anger to use and collectively take this to the police. Surely we have cause to report those responsible with theft, if we can prove the deliberate agenda of lies to withhold the truth of the existence of this oilfield to the Scottish people, in order for the English government to gain financially and deliberately cause confusion to the Scots as to whether we can be financially viable as an independent country. Is it not time we fired across the bow of the good ship brexit, we are the sovereign people let’s start to get off our knees and fight these bastards…Time for us to make some noise!

Golfnut says:
24 November, 2018 at 8:24 am
@ Cherry.
A petition demanding a Judicial revue would be very effective at highlighting the mendacity of the UK establishment and there acolytes in Scotland.

It could be done on line of course but I think would be much more effective if it was taken door to door or set up stalls on the high streets.

Just a simple question.

Should Politicians, media, Civil service involved in undermining the democratic and Constitutional process to facilitate the theft of Scotland’s resources and hide Scotland’s wealth face criminal charges.

I’m sure there are charges that could be brought, the judicial revue would determine which were most appropriate.”/

Anyone think some legs could be put on this? I don’t see why not, if, that is, you care about justice for Scotland.

That Zerohedge article that talks about Brexit and Scotland is just wordy bollocks.

The guy’s trying to talk about two things at once and getting it mostly doubly-wrong.

It pains me to think these guys can make a good screw spraffing out such crap. It’s a mishmash of churning factoid technical-jargon-ality. Prick’s probably on low 6 figures, easy.

Is there a clear idea in it? – Does anyone give a fuck? ZeroHedge – Zero-FUCKS more like.

I normally like Zerohedge when it does negative criticism – it can really pull apart nitty-gritty financial stuff. They also give you people like Taleb, who is always good value.

The trouble with that site is when it is proposing the positive – they are all extreme free market nutcases, Austrian school/mises – so “the market” solves all problems.

In this point of view, a hard brexit just means that Britain will spontaneously re-organise its economy – stand well back and wait for British smartphones and flat screen TVs … as if. What’s really going to happen we all know – following on from yesterday – they are going to pump the NEW oil as fast as they can to keep their scams running. Maybe fracking as well, but only in the “Norf” – not in their own backyards.

Referendum1707 @ 14:07,

I have to concur with previous posters on this article. Among other nonsenses, the author postulates:

What about the threatened biblical plagues that will supposedly be visited on us if we leave without a deal? Why were these blood-curdling threats not made in the Scottish referendum?

He obviously hasn’t a clue about what was said to us by BT in IR1. All carefully orchestrated by No.10 with business folks.

Now those same folks have been strangely quiet in the media over Brexit. But here’s the thing: you can be sure that they have been busily funding the so-called “Peoples’ Vote” campaign.

And what most people don’t seem to comprehend either is that for many big businesses, Brexit has already happened. They couldn’t afford to wait forever for the WM Establishment to sort out its multiple confusions, and have already begun enacting their plans on the Q/T. No scary stories, just plain hard-headed actions, all heading for the lifeboats.

Check the small print of whom you are dealing with. Just f’rinstance, eBay uk isn’t located here any more – it has quietly relocated to Germany. Easyjet’s planes are registered in Austria. I could go on.

We in Scotland have been manipulated into an artificial stasis while significant events on the ground are quietly stacking up around us without our knowledge or approval.

Spanish PM Pedro Sanchez received assurances from the UK government over Gibraltar, and dropped his threat to boycott the summit.

link to archive.is

PS:

Scotland win Gold at the curling. Good game too.

I’m now at that stage …biting at the bit. Hopefully (?!?!) …it’s not too long now.

So determined to get in and round Unionists so we can those ‘debates’ …especially now that their 2014 arguments all lie in tatters with no credibility left.

As Wendy Alexander once said ‘…bring it on!!!’

Nice on Chris.

Hope over fear always.

O/T.

Can we really afford to lose these people and their votes?

link to thenational.scot

@Robert Alexander Harrison says: 24 November, 2018 at 10:31 am:

” … come on Nicola call indyref2 soon.”

Why?

What is the point of calling a referendum if the odds say you will lose it?

If we did lose another referendum it would not be the end of the quest for independence but I sure as hell would never live in an independent Scotland.

The people with the most insightful information of the matter are, without doubt, the SG and SNP. Leave it to the experts who have brought us to the point of success.

I’ve been supporting Scottish independence now for 70 years. No one is more desirous of living in an independent Scotland than I.
Yet I will NOT be telling Nicola, the SG or the SNP to mindlessly charge at the enemy, like a bull at a gate. until the leadership asks us to when they, not the infantry soldiers, think the time is right.

What is the point of opening fire upon a well armoured charging enemy force when they are still out of range of your guns?

I am deeply suspicious of those who are urging such a premature action. Just whose side are they on – do they want us to lose?

From Independence Live:

Ellen Joëlle Höfer responds to today’s front page of @ScotNational. “This headline does in no way reflect any of the statements made by any of the people within this article. This headline is very populist and it is very polarising.”

link to t.co #Gathering2

@Flower of Scotland says: 24 November, 2018 at 11:08 am:

” … we must let her and our NO friends know that we Scots do want Independence!
“

If there is anyone in the United Kingdom who is not yet aware Scots want independence they are either unconscious, in an induced coma or so bloody out of their minds on drugs or booze as to be as good as in a coma.

Pedro Sanchez shall learn soon enough how perfidious albion can be.

Read the Reuters report and it is fudge!

link to uk.reuters.com

Robert Peffers @ 17:02,

It’s eminently sensible to bide our time, as now, until a situation clarifies, provided there is a clear (and principled) plan of action and – above all – a definite willingness to put it into action.

What I find depressing is the pernicious notion from some that we can somehow afford to wait forever. We can’t. If we don’t catch the tide when it’s at its height, we’ll end up beached and regretting another lost opportunity. We are in danger of being hobbled by the hesitant “60%-ers”, those who seem to want to wait for an event that will never actually happen of its own accord.

I get the distinct impression that there are some who are waiting for a trumpet to sound, the heavens to open, and mile-high letters in the sky declaring “Peffers, the time is now”.

Instead we have this damnable chicken-and-egg situation, in which the only way we can possibly reach the necessary majority is after we launch a campaign, so if we wait for the majority first we will never achieve it.

It’s the old saying: you have to speculate to accumulate.

Yesindyref2

You come across as a BritNat who’s bedroom is covered in posters of your fellow BritNats the No Voting Hastings brothers.

@Collie
Your only contributions have been the likes of “fucking English navy” when I talk about defence, and now “No Votin bastards” When I mention rugby.

You are a troll.

From Rev’s Twitter feed, and the Independence Live link, it seems that our European friends are getting all kinds of abuse following headlines in the National that EU citizens are going to up sticks and leave if they don’t get a Referendum soon.

The anger, quite rightly seems aimed at the National, partly because the headline isn’t true, but also because it has launched our EU friends into the direct firing line. Nice one National!

It’s all very well for us to say “If you can’t hold on, hold on”, but these friends from Europe who have chosen to make their lives here in Scotland have a lot more riding on Brexit than we do. Don’t for one moment think I’m underplaying the catastrophic effect of Brexit on all of us, but they get that Brexit like we all do, but a heap more heartbreaking calamity heaped on top.

We have 125 days to save Scotland from Brexit. I think it’s tortuous enough waiting myself as a Scot by birth, but I can only imagine the layers of despair if you are a European citizen faced with losing their home and career here in Scotland as a consequence of xenophobic UK Immigration policy.

I bet I could guess what these folks would like for Christmas, and it isn’t mince pies and turkey.

125 days left. Yet Mum’s still the word eh?

Yesindy2ref Wales are good but not as good as Ireland, dont know how Engerland or France are doing but I fancy a Celtic 1 and 2 with Scotland getting at best six points for wins at home over Italy and France.

Mrs May certainly seems to have coneded quite a bit on Gibraltar although you might not realise it from the BBC’s anodyne report.

From The Guardian report on the Gibraltar deal.

“”On the eve of Sunday’s special Brexit summit, the British ambassador to the EU, Sir Tim Barrow, wrote to concede that Gibraltar would not necessarily be covered by a future trade deal with the EU.

“The development gives Spain a veto over Gibraltar benefiting from a future trade and security agreement between Brussels and the British government.

“The Spanish leader, Pedro Sánchez, reacted immediately, claiming the UK would now have to open talks on “joint sovereignty” of Gibraltar, over which Spain has had a claim since the military dictatorship of Francisco Franco.
Sánchez said: “Once the UK has left the EU, Gibraltar’s political, legal and even geographic relationship with the EU will go through Spain …

“Spain will be a fundamental pillar of the relationship between Gibraltar and the EU as a whole.

“When it comes to the future political declaration, the European council and the European commission have backed Spain’s position, and backed it as never before.

“In these fundamental future negotiations, we’re going to have to talk about joint sovereignty and many other things with the UK.”

Don’t think the people of Gibraltar will be to happy.
Joint sovereignty, not exactly taking back control.

@Lenny
I’d put Wales and Ireland equal at the moment, though Wales are nearly 4 points adrift in the world rankings. But Scotland are still developing, and could challenge.

@Essexexile
The team’s played better rugby and lost, but being able to win is a part od the quality of the team. Still, Scotland are 7th in the world rankings, with 3 or 4 sins rather than just 1, could have been challenging for the top 4.

link to rawling.github.io

So it’s all to play for in the 6 nations.

Yesindyref2

Call me what you like,,but one thing I am sure of and that is you are a fuckin BritNat luvvin bastard.

People can check out themselves what is basically an attempt to stir up anti-English feelings, or be divisive considering that some of the team at least, do support Indy. You’re not even very good at it.

Just google “collie says:” site:wingsoverscotland.com

@Lenny Hartley

2019 – so we will be away to England & France – and at home to Wales & Ireland & I think Italy.

The No Voting BritNat bastards of Scottish Rugby don’t deserve any time spent on them in these pages. Just ask Gavin Hastings what ge thinks of Wings Over Scotland and it will prove my point.

He will say that him and the majority at the centre of Scottish Rugby support staying in the UK,, no matter what.

Which is why I rightly describe yesindyref2 as a BritNat luvvin bastard.

Question :- at 60 do I qualify as an “old git for indy” or just a ‘git’.

this is a request on behalf of my wife, and everyone else that knows me ?

My wife’s opinion will be biased.

PacMan who said: “There is no doubt that the British establishment is at it’s weakest and it is tempting to strike now but as all know the British establishment works at it’s best when it’s back to the wall so it would be foolhardy to do anything now.”

Nice recipe for doing nothing – on the one hand . . . and on the other hand . . .

compare and contrast with Ireland’s Liberator motto (19th Century).

“England’s difficulty is Ireland’s opportunity”

Look where Ireland stands now – she has taken her place among the nations of Europe

Where stands Scotland now?

Further re Gibraltar weasel words

“The British ambassador to the EU, Sir Tim Barrow, wrote to concede that Gibraltar would not necessarily be covered by a future trade deal with the EU”.

“necessarily” is the new “normally” as per Sewel Convention.

You can only laugh when someone calls yesindyref2 a Britnat troll.

He’s been posting here and elsewhere at length for ages.

Desperate stuff.

Mind you, his jokes are crap 😛

Chris =)

What a lovely picture you paint 🙂

And true. I see courage, love and hope.

It looks like Hamish is holding out his hand to someone…

Is she called Freedom 🙂

Or is Hamish being greeted by the rest of the World?

Uplifting message Chris 🙂

As the thepnr says, good things are worth waiting for =)

So, to round off her madcap schemes, whilst ignoring everybody, Theresa the dictator has agreed to sell out on just about everybody, except ‘England’ – and herself.

Scotland – sold out by Theresa

Fishing rights – sold out by theresa

The DUP – sold out by Theresa

Her own party – sold out by Theresa

Parliamentary democracy – sold out by Theresa

Seriously, that women will be remembered as the person who sold out everybody to save her own political skin. But she doesn’t care, because she won’t have to suffer the consequences, what with her banking and investment millionaire husband. As the disaster of brexit kicks in, Theresa will be sunning herself somewhere nice, with her money stashed in anonymous foreign accounts.

All of us will be left with her mess, Theresa May is 61 and her husband, 62. Both will likely retire soon, and will never have to accept ANY liability for their terrible, terrible actions against so many people.

And further to my comment above, NOW Theresa has sold out Gibraltar (where 99% voted to stay in the EU).

Unbeleivable.

Yesindyref2

I always knew you were a Britnat troll it just took that mild mannered nice guy to point out all the evidence I had been blind to. I now realise if you support the Scotland rugby team you are without doubt a Britnat troll. It’s just so bleeding obvious. The evidence is overwhelming. How on earth did I miss it. You have blown your cover.

Stop posting on Wings you Britnat.

Tories in Scotland of course love the union, because even though Scotland hasn’t voted Tory since the 1950’s, Scotland has had a Tory government for around 60% of this time. It the sort of democracy that appeals to them, it doesn’t much matter what Scotland votes for, the will of England will be imposed.

It’s a bit like the MSP list system, no matter by how big a margin you are rejected by the electorate, you will still be there.

To HYFUD…
The language spoken is not sufficient to qualify you voting in an election anywhere in the world
So no
Speaking English is not all that is required by Englands Westminster if you apply for a passport I guess you were not aware of that.

Cactus @ 10.00
Beautifully put my friend.

galamcennalath says:
24 November, 2018 at 9:34 pm
” Brexit: High Court to rule if referendum vote ‘void’ as early as Christmas after Arron Banks investigation

link to archive.is

Aye, but a whitewash of UK Propaganda in Scotland is fine, Davidson’s knowledge of postal ballot results in 2014 is hunky dory, BBC driving a horse and cart through Purdah Rules is fine, and Dark Money which ousted Alex Salmond and Angus Robertson is no cause for concern,… but wait, something funny about Brexit??? Hellfire! Let’s take it to the High Court and void the result!!!

Is there enough room in the Dock at the High Court for all of Scotland’s “failure to act”?

Scotland’s going over the top…

Scotland is Stallone:
link to youtube.com

Nobody owns Scotland but us.

YEEEEESSSSS!

Robert J. Sutherland @ 3.38:

what most people don’t seem to comprehend either is that for many big businesses, Brexit has already happened. They couldn’t afford to wait forever for the WM Establishment to sort out its multiple confusions, and have already begun enacting their plans on the Q/T. No scary stories, just plain hard-headed actions, all heading for the lifeboats.

I haven’t posted here in some time, but am still reading, and wanted to confirm this. My spouse’s employer announced internally at the beginning of this month that the London offices would be closed when the lease ends in March, with operations and personnel already moving to the Paris and Lisbon locations. (They’re also closing offices in the US and shifting to the Canadian locations.)

We had so hoped for a move to Edinburgh or Dundee. Perhaps it will happen yet – I would be proud to live in an independant Scotland.