Wings Over Scotland

Wonderful day, wonderful weather, wonderful people all enjoying the togetherness with kindness and care for one another.

Thank you to everyone who organised it and to the many more joining every day. You can only feel sorry for those who have to eat sour grapes but they can always come and join us. You’re very welcome.

Spare a thought for these bitter and twisted people, not one.
How does it feel to be so ashamed of your country that you do it down for another. One which is robbing it blind.
Shame on all of them.
Will someone tell that idiot holocaust denier that his filthy union flag jacket is actually an insult to the flag he purports to support.

Just back from the most sensational walk down through the Royal Mile past Holyrood and we were permitted into a large park with a few friends. The heat is on.

Cheers to ye Rev.

Cheers to Wings Over Scotland!

Cheers to Scotland xx.

The fear is palpable. Things are changing and they know it.

They are afraid of change which deprives them of the right to feel somehow superior to the rest of us. They follow a cult of Queen,country and supremacy inbred over centuries and passed down by father to son and mother to daughter.

Times are changing in a secular society no longer completely bound by religious allegiance. Only the hardcore remain.

They should be afraid,because Scotland is ready to move on with them or without.

Nothing these BritNats say about the march will affect my feelings of euphoria at today’s massive event.
Proud to have been there!

Interestingly, the HES ruling was initially that *employees* of HES could not be obviously political while acting as employees.

Since HES is some form of Civil Service bureau, that is entirely reasonable.

Someone in the organisation has extrapolated that past its purpose. Hence the bullshit about political usage of their property.

The infamous Edinburgh Councillor Scott Arthur estimated to media there were 20K people there… (this is the same guy who tried to close down WoS you tube channel then lied).

Aye right.
Incredible scenes in video below

link to twitter.com

That’s three of the marches I’ve been on this year and the weather has been fantastic every time. (OK, Glasgow in May was a wee bit overcast but it was dry and reasonably bright.) Everybody is so friendly and happy and you meet such lovely people. The cops never have anything to do except control the traffic and make sure nobody goes anywhere unsafe.

This time I took the opportunity to climb Arthur’s Seat, with my Yes Linton flag and all. Never been up before. I looked at the hill from the bottom and said, I wonder if I can make it up in an hour? Easily got there in 45 minutes walking slowly and stopping to “admire the scenery” from time to time. It’s not as far away as you think.

A metaphor, maybe?

That’s their weekend ruined…win-win then 🙂

The puir wee sowls right enough.
Everyone who was there today knows the truth. I know my eyes are getting aged but they’re no’ that bad!
Genuine question, why are Britnats the most miserable, sour faced, unhappy looking people you’re ever likely to meet? They positively make the Rev IM Jolly look happy go lucky.

We waited on Johnstone Terrace for forty minutes after one. By the time we got to the High St a steward told us 30,000 had been counted before us, and there were very many behind us.

The BBC have reported 20,000…

When their entire argument is “there’s no appetite for another referendum” you can understand why they have lost it over the numbers demanding one today in Edinburgh.

I was there. I livestreamed the whole thing on Yes Stirling FB page. I don’t know exactly how many people there were but it’s the biggest indy march I’ve seen. I do know however how many unionists there were gathered on the Royal Mile…24. And I honestly STILL don’t know one single word that unionist fellow whatsisname said.

Watched in the Park at the end of the march as a stream of people went up to the guys with the Rangers Fans for Indy banner to shake their hand and chat. One of many highlights of my day!

Why are so many unionists so grey? So gloomy? So bitter? So resentful? The march today was invigorating, stimulating and, above all, good natured and fun! And It was seriously well attended.

I was at the Bannockburn and Dundee marches, which were big, but today in Edinburgh was something else in terms of numbers. I was seeing tweets that the first marchers had arrived at Holyrood Park before we had even reached the start point at the top of Johnston Terrace! And we passed those at the head of the march coming back up the Mile again before we’d even reached the Canongate.

Ah, well. I suppose to be getting their knickers in such a twist these unionists must be very worried. Good.

Tinto check, thanks for that, we should be reminded that they tarred and feathered those that were not behind their cause. They put them on ships back to the homeland, we only need a bus.

Great gathering. My younger daughter and I attended. I have been at marches over the years but this was the biggest.
O/T Got home tonight and discovered, from an advert, that “Walkers Crisps” thinks that Scotland is a a region like the “North” and the “South West”.
Emailed them on their complaint form that I’d never buy a packet of their crisps again because I’m from the South West (of Scotland) which is north of their “North”.

Apparently the one o’clock gun wasn’t fired today (damp powder?)……Now that’s being petty!

And I honestly STILL don’t know one single word that unionist fellow whatsisname said.

He was particularly incomprehensible today. I think the numbers and the acoustics of the street were against him. Given the numbers and length of time the march took to clear the Royal Mile (well over two hours I believe) he must sucking fishermen’s friends tonight (no euphemisms intended).

We’ve just returned from the march and what a turnout! We were standing next to a group of Policemen (and woman) when one cop spoke into his radio and said, “there’s well over 100,000 here.’ The Policewoman turned to one of her colleagues and said “how are we going to find them in this crowd?” Maybe she was referring to the Union flag flying Britnats, lol.

The weather was great and the crowd was brilliant plus we had cars tooting and people on the pavements giving us the thumbs-up and so on. It was heartening to hear so many with English accents supporting independence and we even came across a “Rangers fans for Independence” group.

Tommy Sheppard was there along with Joanna Cherry, Michelle Thompson (whom I spoke to – and was looking fantastic), Craig Murray, Prof Mark McNaught (another I had a great conversion with) and a number of other SNP politicians.

Everybody around us ignored the Butchers Apron brigade and just sang and shouted even more loudly to drown them out.

I wish I had taken the time to count the bikers. By the time it dawned on me to do so I had counted over 100.

There’s so, so much more I could say about the day such as talking to a number of EU nationals, every last one supporting independence, but I’m off to celebrate now (big smiley face). As we’re celebrating TMay, Ruth Davidson et al must be quaking in their boots, as 100,000 PLUS at a march in Edinburgh equates to over a million in London. “No appetite for Independence”, Ruth? Aye right!

Have a great weekend folks.

You really have to wonder, as there isn’t, according to the opposition parties at Holyrood, any demand for independence in Scotland, why those 100,000 plus folks with Saltires and Indy banners bother marching around our Capital City causing disruption and encouraging bystanders to cheer and clap their efforts to demonstrate there is some who do indeed demand independence?

Aye!
Richt!

I wonder what the reaction of the press and the yoons would have been if tens after tens after tens of thousands of Union flags, 6 deep, had taken well over two hours to pass a forlorn clump of 24 saltires ?

Funny how these self-proclaimed superior beings who supposedly hate nationalism never tweet about their frustration and disdain when the Orange Order disrupts life during the summer.

Ah, wait. The OO espouses the “right” kind of nationalism, sorry “patriotism” – the British kind!

Hypocrites and cringe merchants, the lot of them.

The haters gonna hate, hate hate.

I took my 2 year old to the march. She had a ball patting dogs and waiving her flag. Not a hostile word spoken. Not ever a threat even when provoked by the Yoon dunderheids.They hate us because we are nice law abiding citizens.

So they have to pretend we are zealots to suit their preconditioned prejudices.

The Police Scotland enjoyed their day also. Wonder when their London bosses are going to replace them with lackies and psycophants who will start beating up innocent people?

We know the truth 🙂
…and so do they 🙂
The start had reached the park before the tail even moved.

link to m.facebook.com

Conan the librarian at 9.03

I must have been somewhat down the terrace from you (blast, missed you again mate) as it was around 14:30 before we started to move.

As per Morag and others, it was difficult to measure volumes. At one point we were told that people filtering in from other streets were causing the delay in our column moving.

And, like David at 9.50, a number of us remarked on the silence of the one o’clock gun, thinking initially that the bulk of the castle must have suppressed the discharge…..probably damp powder as you suggest David.

One thing I can say for sure is that when I arrived at the end of the Royal Mile, people were heading home, pubs etc (back up the hill) hundreds were still coming down the hill (and still they came on to quote someone, somewhere)

Bikers, cars and vans for indie were a grand sight, as were the number of folks I spotted with Wings badges and flags and the number of souls trudging up to Arthur’s seat…well done to you all.

A grand day out guys.

wonderful day…i think we will win x

Back home after a lot of sitting on ram-packed trains (was there something on?). Best bits? Just the hunners and hunners of nice people, completely drowning out the manky UJ jacket man with humour, the sight of the flags and banners silhouetted up the hill, and there was a stage with speakers and music despite everything (well done AUOB), then lovely folk drifting back to Waverly (or the bus station).

I spoke to a lovely American family who were only here for four days and enjoying themselves at how friendly our lil old country and people are, so comfortable were they that they joined the march and when we arrived at the park they asked all the usual questions to which gave all the usual answers but the one thing that struck them as most diabolical thing was this

Scotland isn’t allowed to have its own broadcasting because it’s a “power” that the English government keep and hold

Well you could have knocked these good old folks down with a feather when they got a load of that information, they were stunned like *totes* man (I’m going over the top with the Americanisms now aren’t I, I’ll stop) they didn’t really talk like that they were just nice ordinary folks who’s boots were blown off at a country that isn’t *allowed* its own broadcaster

Needless to say they got the whole thing immediately on that alone, a country that is afraid to *allow* its neighbour its own broadcaster is a? fill in blank ( ———— )

Dr Jim What then is STV?

Only one arrest at the March today apparently, and that turned out to be a british Nationalist hitting someone on the heed with their flagpole

What a great sight people getting organised to claim their rights.

Thanks on behalf of the millions that could not be there but there is always the Ballot Box. Thanks a billion to everyone. Thanks and a special cheer to Rev Stu for all you do, A total hero.

i was at the march today and i have to say british nationalists are absolutely crap at counting … they must run oot of their fingers (12) and toes (11), then need to use their pals digits

I think the wee mouthy BritNat who turns up at all our Marches will need to be put on suicide watch once we win our Independence.

The poor guy will be inconsolable.

OK Fuddy i’ll do you this last one

STV is a privately owned company licenced by the English government to broadcast in Scotland, y’know like Sky TV or Fox news, the Scottish government cannot by law commission its own public broadcaster, the Scottish government doesn’t even have the power to licence a radio channel

Unlike every other democracy in the world Scotlands FM cannot have access to television appearance to eg make any public announcement of any kind without the invitation of the licenced broadcaster except in the legal situation of Party political Broadcasts in which case equal time and exposure must be granted to all other political parties irrespective of size or representation, in the case of the BBC permission from London is required, for STV, permission also comes from London

Try again twitnat or are you recognising the similarities to Oh, say North Korea

The only access Scotlands First Minister has to any kind of broadcasting is the same vehicle you are using now, the Internet

Now you’re going to have to look up on Google any other countries in the world where it’s most senior politician in government can’t get on the telly without permission from an unelected petty functionary who answers to politicians in another country…….I’ll wait

HYUFD = just another lying British Nationalist dumping his crap on Wings.

Watched the Glasgow & Edinburgh marches from the fixed livestream cameras. Can’t tell you the numbers but the duration at this point in Edinburgh was pretty much double the time taken for the Glasgow march. So unless people in Edinburgh walk unbelievably slowly (Royal Mile is downhill from castle so that would be strange) then I would suggest it was around double the size of the Glasgow march.

@Mik Johnstone says: 6 October, 2018 at 11:37 pm:

” … i was at the march today and i have to say british nationalists are absolutely crap at counting … they must run oot of their fingers (12) and toes (11), then need to use their pals digits.”

Tell you what, Mik, I’ve just done my usual bedtime review of todays news on the BBC text service and I see the British/English Nationalists are far more worried than I had thought.

I base that opinion upon the fact that the only mention of the AUOB march was the one for Scotland and that one rather played down the extent of the numbers attending.

There was not a mention on the UK Politics section, nor on the UK, English, English regions, Welsh or other English Kingdom countries, nor on the Main Headlines, UK News, World, Politics or anything else.

A total BBC text blackout of the entire matter. Quite obviously they don’t want the rest of the United Kingdom, the EU or the rest of the World to know the break-up of the United Kingdom is getting so close to happening.

Yet we get the first news item on the Main Headlines as, “Victory for Trump in Supreme Court vote”, and the second item as, “EU expects Brexit deal by ‘end of year’.

They are obviously not only running scared but fear the pound will nosedive if the World currency market gets spooked at the idea of The Kingdom of England attempting to exist without their Kingdom of Scotland cash cow to milk.

They are caught in a trap of their own making – if they suppress the news then anyone with a finger on the UK pulse knows they are running scared of independence but if they broadcast it they spook the World Financial Markets but the World Finance Markets are not inhabited by numpties and their omissions will be noticed.

You can smell the Westminster fear from Shetland and it is very pungent indeed in Central Scotland.

Dr Jim Why would she need to? Almost the only instance the leader of a country needs to broadcast to the whole nation outside of a TV or radio interview as Sturgeon does frequently anyway is in the event of a declaration of war or a major military strike and only the UK PM has that power not the Scottish First Minister

Jockanese Wind Talker Great Scotland has so many renewable wind farms but ‘Scotland already has to import energy from England on days when wind turbines produced too little power to keep the lights on.’
link to heraldscotland.com

The UK is now moving towards the first stage of a deal with the EU anyway
link to bbc.co.uk

Sturgeon, or as I prefer to call her Scotlands First Minister is *invited* to be interviewed as you have agreed, she has no right to decide on what the interview basis will or will not consist of and the reason for that is always always to attack her as the Enemy of the *British* state for some invented indiscretion or manipulation of fugures to which she can only refute, which is then followed by a prearranged pre recorded statement by the ineffectual Tory leader and ex BBC employee Ruth Davidson followed by Labour followed by Liberal Democrat
then discussed at length by Tory or Labour supporting *journalists* from the anti SNP press which remember are licenced by the English government and many of its *journalsts* because of the failing and dwindling nature of sales in newspapers right across Scotland are paid by English government tax BBC licence payers money because the aforementioned newspapers are now so cash strapped in Scotland they can’t afford to finance themselves Google that sonny Lonely boy from Epping

Unlike Theresa May your chosen representative (well actually you really didn’t choose her she was third choice leader by her party because the other two didn’t relish the job and Mrs May’s ego couldn’t hold her back) Theresa May refuses interviews on a regular basis, she travels to different parts of the country to scout halls to make televised propaganda surrounded by her chosen press representatives and armed guards then jumps into a waiting car or plane to be whisked back to downing street claiming she had visited somewhere where no actual ordinary people (voters) ever saw her

First Minister of Scotland however is not surrounded by armed guards everywhere she goes and is just as easily seen on the street by anybody anywhere especially children who jump into her arms on sight (and you can’t fool kids) Nicola Sturgeon does not fear assassination round every corner, I’ve met her several times and I would guess most of the folk on this site have at some time or another met our First Minister she is that accessible and so popular in fact that little birdys and woodland animals scamper around her feet so much so Disney could make a film of her life possible starring someone like oh say Scarrlett Johhansson, I like her but it’s more likely to be Saoirse Ronan a fine Irish actress

You should watch for it in a movie theatre near you coming soon

Now off to bed with you lad so you’ll be fresh as a daisy for the gym in the morning and get that average body toned up in the hope of finding love in maybe some different places from here because let’s face it lad you’re not doing well for pals here and you are a little slow even in you’re own language, which must be a disappointment to your Mum along with the no grandchidren thing I guess

If indeed there were over 100000 at the march today, then that bodes well for the number of footsoldiers needed when Indyref2 is called. Prior to the 2014 Ref, the situation was nothing like this. There is clearly a massive groundswell. Fire that starting pistol will you, Nicola….

Ben madigan

Thanks for that. I’d wanted to see it but there wasn’t a cinema near me showing it.

HYFUD England has decided to go with importation of electricity from EU and Scotland plus Nuclear (Chinese built but paid for by UK tax payer) as National Policy.

In Scotland Energy Policy is for developing renewables

Ignore the finds in Scottish waters (The Atlantic Margin) which are bigger and better than the largest finds in Saudi Arabia, but without the water contamination.

One word for you:

TIDAL

I suppose you can huddle round a candle and envoke the “Blitz Spirit” while the English electorate who were lied to on the whole EU Referendum riot.

Us Sovereign Scots will cope without Greater England’s benevolence somehow

😉

Well, if nothing else, this article has show me how many Unionist have me in there blocked list as I had seen so very little of this “toys out of pram” fest interesting that any organisation that doesn’t tow their line is immediately deemed to be in the thrail of the SNP, and the called us conspiracy theories!

Jockanese Wind Talker @2.48am, was that a reply to a so called troll?…if so why?
~ are you and others trying to piss off Rev Stu?

Well done to all who travelled to Edinburgh yesterday. It really doesn’t matter what the unionist posters and media claim.

It was the lift in spirit that we all needed. Keeping talking to friends and neighbours – that is how this fight will be won.

Take heart from the way that the media ignores or plays down the support for Independence.

Beware the Unionists making noises about a 2nd EU vote as it will still be England who decides your future and not the votes of Scots.

Morag
The “reliable police estimate” at Glasgow was over 91,000. We left Johnstone Terrace at exactly 1 pm near the front of the march and they were still streaming into the park (just over a mile away)at 3.30 as we were leaving. It was the police who initially supplied the 100,000 estimate yesterday of a march that took well over an hour and a half to pass any point.

I see lots of folk stating numbers for the march. I guess it was hard to tell, although I can say this, it was definitely more than Glasgow by some considerable margin. How do I know that,? First the number of folks assembling prior to the march, and also the number I saw in Holyrood park, even after some folks had already left. Assembly on Johnstone Terrace (and castle terrace), is a very wide road, yet it was thick with people.

Honestly, the number in the park at the end was huge. I’d been to Glasgow green and the previous marches that ended in Princes street gardens and calton hill in Edinburgh, and their were definitely way more in attendance yesterday at Edinburgh.

I would suggest estimates of 60-70k are likely not far off the correct number, but if anything it may have been higher. What it most certainly was not, was 20k, FFS.

The more I see and hear the more I wish I had hirpled over to Edinburgh yesterday.

As I understand it Hysterical Environment Scotland has charitable status with government funding unlike the National Trust which gets no government funding . This indicates to me a certain grip on its short and curlies and therefore some leverage – no?

See when the flag of Scotland appears on ALL its Scottish castles and environs I might forgive them their awkwardness.

What a fantastic day out at the Indy March. Giant Saltires planted high up on the hill and the bonny sight of a sea of Saltires flying en masse as far as the eye could see. I reckon that the WOS flag was flying right at the very top of the Crags on a giant flagpole with Saltires underneath…soaring above us all. Hundreds of Bikers for Yes blazing a trail through the park, a head-turning spectacle to behold.

How good it feels to be celebrating who we are, what we want and where we want to go. I have nothing in common with British Nationalists. They are conscienceless, emotionless, selfish, cold and calculating and devoid of any moral or ethical standards. The people of Scotland are now taking a very different path.

The imminence of the death of the Union is palpable. Whilst Maybot is doing her allegorical Dance of Death, we are very much alive and full of hope and joy and optimism for the future freedom of our beautiful country.

Heartfelt thanks to everyone involved and to Stuart for everything you do.

P.S for those of you who didn’t see the YES Bikers in all their glory , nip over to youtube and have a keek!
Fantastic!

Phydaux at 0811am,

Aye, as I was leaving their were still folks high up on the radical road and crags with many, many saltires flying. It was a glorious day.

You comment is worth quoting;

“How good it feels to be celebrating who we are, what we want and where we want to go. I have nothing in common with British Nationalists. They are conscienceless, emotionless, selfish, cold and calculating and devoid of any moral or ethical standards. The people of Scotland are now taking a very different path.

The imminence of the death of the Union is palpable. Whilst Maybot is doing her allegorical Dance of Death, we are very much alive and full of hope and joy and optimism for the future freedom of our beautiful country.”

@steviesparkie

I’m sad I missed the bikers. I had been really looking forward to that part. Took us so long to get to the park that you had done your circuits by the time we got there,
Boy in the ice cream van at the park should be able to retire after yesterday!

Dr Jim Did the gym yesterday but thank you for the concert.

Panelbase today still has it 52% No 48% Yes in the event of No Deal Brexit while Survation has it the reverse. On the standard question Panelbase has it 56% No 44% Yes and Survation has it 54% No 46% Yes.

No Deal Brexit would make it closer true but even most English voters in the polls do not want No Deal Brexit and as May is moving towards the whole UK staying in the Customs Union until a technical solution is found to the Irish border to get the Withdrawal Agreement and Transition Period to negotiate a FTA even Juncker confirmed yesterday an initial Deal was near link to bbc.co.uk

The National newspaper has a rather splendid front cover today. 🙂

Yes, a fantastic event. I joined the march at the bottom of Johnstone Terrace at 12.50. It hadn’t moved by 1.45 so I began moving up the stationary crowd to see what the hold up was. We had to cross George IV bridge / Bridge Street and also South Bridge. The police were holding up the march to allow traffic through periodically so the march was being broken up and never allowed to form a solid block with large gaps between where it had been held up to manage traffic. I eventually arrived at the park around 2.15 and people continued to straggle in for at least another hour. Folk who had arrived earlier had pitched themselves up on the crags and it was a marvellous sight to see all those saltires waving so high as we entered the park. The parade of the Yes bikers was about 2.20 and I counted over 200. Fantastic day and very uplifting but regret that the crowd was so straggled and never allowed to feel it full force.

I was there. I asked a person in a uniform in front of Holyrood palace what time the start if the March passed him. He said 1.30pm. This was at 3.20pm and the marchers were still passing. It was 3.25 the end came by.

Dozens of great pics and clips on RT.

Ken500 Actually the biggest movement from the Middle East to Europe has been from Syria where the US and UK did not intervene against Assad and the biggest intervention has been from Russia on Assad’s side agaibst the rebels. It was Merkel who welcomed the Syrian refugees. Agreed the EU allowed transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries in 2004 but Blair refused them

Gus 1940, thanks for the heads up on the RT photos . Love the one with the bonny lass and her ‘today is my 18th birthday and this is my future’

The capacity of Hampden is 52 thousand , Wembley 90 , Celtic 61, Rangers 51

Just to put into perspective the kind of numbers police are used to seeing and managing.

Wembley, or at least the roof, is 11 acres. Holyrood Park is 650. However not all that’d be used yesterday.

Not saying it was 100,000 but it’s definitely possible.

A rule of thumb might be 8 wide and a yard apart means 14 thousand per mile. So length of walk, average speed and time taken might all be used to estimate how many took part.

I’ve been to every Independence march except Inverness. This one was HUGE! I believe over a 100,000 attended with lots more waving from the sides with their flags too.

Living in Willie Rennie territory, I needed yesterday!

Met up with some Wingers. Nice to see you Ronnie and Cearc.

The camaraderie was wonderful. Except for 10 British Nationalists, everyone watching were very friendly!

@HYUFD says: 7 October, 2018 at 12:24 am:

” … Dr Jim Why would she need to? Almost the only instance the leader of a country needs to broadcast to the whole nation outside of a TV or radio interview as Sturgeon does frequently anyway is in the event of a declaration of war or a major military strike and only the UK PM has that power not the Scottish First Minister”

I won’t leave out a word of your absolutely idiotic comment, HYUFD.

It absolutely makes the best possible case for the termination of the Treaty of Union. It does it far, far better than I ever could.

but lets point out why it does so:-

You state, ” … Almost the only instance the leader of a country …”, which highlights that Scotland’s FM is the leader of a country and is elected as such by the legally sovereign people of that country of Scotland.

Then you continue your idiocy with this little gem, ” … and only the UK PM has that power not the Scottish First Minister.”

Note too that you adopt the customary Westminster practice of using acronyms instead of the full titles in order to distract from what is really being claimed being a lie.

The UK a.k.a. “The United Kingdom”, as its full title clearly shows is NOT a country – its full title shows it is factually The bipartite. “United Kingdom”, that is a quadratic two partner kingdom composed of two, equally sovereign, kingdoms one of which is composed of three distinct countries.

Furthermore the acronym, “PM”, is in full, “Her Majesty’s Prime Minister”. Thus the acronym PM is used to distract from the truth that the Prime Minister is legally the Queen of England’s delegate of the Queen of England’s sovereignty and not that of either the country of England nor is the Prime Minister legally the Prime Minister of either the country or the kingdom of England.

Not only that but there is no such legally, elected as such, parliament of either the country or the kingdom of England. The last parliament of the Kingdom of England sat and declared itself in permeant recess from 30 April 1707 and no one has been elected as either a country or kingdom of England Member of parliament ever since 1 May 1707. Every member of the Westminster parliament of the United Kingdom since that date is a United Kingdom Parliament Member and thus the, (cough!) PM of the UK is neither the Prime Minister of a country nor the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom – but the Queen of England’s delegated sovereignty in the United Kingdom Parliament.

Thing is that as the people of Scotland are legally sovereign, “Her Majesty’s Prime Minister”, does not represent their legal sovereignty – but the Scottish First minister legally does.

To put all that in a nutshell – The people of the three country Kingdom of England are Her Majesty The Queen of England’s subjects who get to elect Her Majesty’s Prime Minister of Her Majesty’s Government but Her Majesty’s Prime Minister is Her Majesty’s Legal delegate in the United Kingdom Government and no Government of England exists.

The members of the United Kingdom Government elected by the sovereign people of Scotland are their legal delegates and represent them, not the Queen of Scots, at Westminster.

Complicated but legally true and that is why the Westminster Government did not contest the recent Scottish Claim of Right at the Supreme Court. By which omission they acknowledge that the People of Scotland are legally sovereign and if a majority of them give their legally elected First Minister a mandate to end the Treaty of Union the United Kingdom is ended.

Thank you for making our case for us, HYUFD.

Just a wee reminder for Wingers:-

link to snp.org

Worth reading as it tells you that it is the members – not the party leaders – who make or change SNP party policies.

It also lets people sign up as SNP party supporters without actually becoming card carrying members.

Myself and my wife were at tail end of march at 1pm, by 2:15 we’d only moved around a hundred yards,needing toilet break we took refuge in nearby hostelry, by time we left around 3 the road was clear but we eventually caught up with end of march in the cannongate.
Make of that what you will, but 20-30,000. no way !!

John Nicholson has got a radio slot in the south. He will be quite known on the London radio/media circuit. He has relevant media contacts in the south.

Good, these marches are getting under their skin. The size of the Edinburgh one has taken the yoons by surprise, but they won’t admit it.

ain’t she terrific

really on song today

Yesterday was awesome! The tourists must have wondered what hit them 🙂 It took hours to get all the way down the High Street. Totally drowned out the dirty jacketed Brit Nat bloke by singing ‘Flower of Scotland’.

The bikers for Indy took over 6 minutes to all roar by, then we went up Salisbury Crags to look down on the crowds. Back up the High Street to try to find a table in the packed pubs.

If you saw a kilted bloke with twa dugs wearing Saltires, that was me 😉

Later that evening a Japanese news agency asked if they could use my photos and videos from Instagram so the world is aware, even if there’s a virtual news blackout here at home.

Thanks to all for making it such a great day.

There are various techniques used to estimate crowd numbers and here is one of many found online.

link to todayifoundout.com

The problem with a moving march and using photos, is the very strong possiblity of counting the same people more than once.

Perhaps the next march a few people could be positioned to do an estimate of those passing – a boring job for sure.

Janey Godley/Mundell superb, Hackalumph link on Off Topic!

The Pollster use the Polls to manipulate the result. Based on 1000 people. Often breaking Polling rules and guideline That is why on tight margins they are so often wrong. They are illegally funded and used by wealthy people to manipulate the markets to make them £Millions. The electoral rules totally broken. The Polling industry is a total disgrace. A completely corrupt industry. Shown up time and time and fined and censor. Often to no avail. Breaking electoral and personal data Law. Still under investigation. Why a Scottish uni is employing an electoral Law breaker on public money is a mystery.

The Polling association being censored and fined repeatedly. Breaking the professional standards and guideline. The damage it is doing to the economy. Causing increased poverty and derision.
Predicted electoral results in three years on these results are just ridiculous. Fast changing events show just how much things can change in three years.

Labour etc could have brought May and her cronies down over a year ago. September 2016. To end their ridiculous policies . Sanctioning and starving people to death. Leaving vulnerable people illogical without food. A criminal political offence. Corbyn and his cronies do not want the poisoned chalice.

These Polls could be being released at this time to do precisely that purpose. To try and manipukre the vote and the outcome. Even within a 3 year timetable. In a fast moving situation. Just a waste of time and more than likely wrong again.

Well done Tammytroot!!!

Every great general in every conflict ever fought, attributed their victories to one thing. In a word—-impetus.

We are the ones already in motion ,spreading the word and gaining support. Post No deal Brexit that impetus will become a deluge. We have the advantage now and they damned well know it.

Unionists can obfuscate and prevarication all they like but the tide is turning and we all know what happened to King Canute when he sought to turn the tide.

Keep the faith and desire alive, because we are definitely in the final run in to our liberty as a people

Our resident lonely average body boy Troll has made it his mission to troll our First Minister now

Fancies her!

” Sturgeon told the BBC she expected British Prime Minister Theresa May to reach a “cobbled-together” deal to leave the European Union which parliament would be expected to rubber stamp with no details. Such an outcome would be unacceptable, she said. “

Indeed. I have long thought a fudged Blind Brexit is a probable outcome.

The SNP will oppose it, good. But would it provoke IndyRef2?

Also, will Tory rebels (if both extreme factions) support it? IMO Yes, because they think they can get what they want during the transition period trade talks.

Will enough Labour support it? IMO also Yes because enough want Brexit,

Perhaps May will be defeated and things take another course, but like Nicola I have felt it’s all going Blind.

link to reuters.com

polls can be skeewed, no question, but what is interesting about this poll isnt the absolute figures but the trends

1. brexit, for some, hasnt happened yet and hasnt been decided.
2. brexit will cause voters to switch from no to yes, enough for us to win

People who cannot manage to march can just use the Ballot Box. Just as important and necessary. If not more. No one should tax their strength totally unnecessary. There are various legitimate means to give support etc. Donation and canvassing. Join the SNP? Helping out with deliveries etc. When any campaign comes. Do not tax health and become unwell.

A magnificent effort and thanks to all the marchers. There are plenty of other ways of giving support. Just do it. Requiring less physical strength.. Millions of people are doing it. That is no disgrace because of logistics. Remember when any Official campaign starts the SNP has the means to fund it. Adhering to the Official guidelines. Keep right on to the end of the road. Keep right on to the end. Though the way be tough. Just keep going on to success. Right above might.

Spain/Catalonia and Scottish Independence is a totally different situation that should never be considered or compared without qualification. Too many diffences to be similar. Apart from being Independence Movements. Not to be confused. Or it could harm Independence Movements by creating confusion.

The Biased Broadcasting Corporation and their media pals are trying to keep the success of yesterday’s march from the general public by their usual omission and manipulation of the facts. This was achieved despite their prior attempts to keep the existence of the march out of the public domain and then latterly to disrupt it. All who were there know the size of the turnout and the effect it would have on the many tourists and local bystanders. It was an awe inspiring day. It brought back memories of standing on the Hampden terracing on an April day in 1970 as part of a crowd of 136,000 to watch Celtic play Leeds – or was it only 20,000? Guess it must have been as it felt like the same size of crowd yesterday.

The BBC say that the police say that someone from Edinburgh City Council said it was 20,000. Who was that someone?

The previous 4 marches had official police estimates. There is no way that there were only 5,000 more than the ones in Stirling, Inverness and Dumfries. I was at the Glasgow march where the official police estimate was 35,000. This one was definitely bigger. There may have been 20,000 up at the stage end in the Park where I think there was a council van but there were people up the hill and when I left at 4ish I was surprised to find as many people at the gates and Parliament as there were up at the stage which was a fair way into the Park.

I don’t know how many were there but double Glasgow probably so if the police said 60,000 I wouldn’t quibble. If it was 100,000 I could believe it. Trouble is you see wild unsubstantiated numbers floating on the interwebs. I have no idea where the 193,000 comes from. People shouldn’t quote numbers they can’t link to.

No real surprise from the Unionist on Sunday duo this morning that McGinty palmed the Council estimate off as a police estimate and Garavelli contorted the polls to show that SNP members cared more about the country (UK) than independence. I do care that the UK is leaving the EU but that doesn’t mean that I would sacrifice Scotland just to make 1950s Bexitland slightly less awful. What planet would that happen on?

They scooted off the march and the SNP conference pretty quickly actually although to be fair the US supreme court nomination did deserve time. I didn’t think they deconstructed that farce particularly well either so I switched off at that point.

People’s Vote. Here’s what I think is needed …..

Scotland and NI have already answered the question about the EU firmly and that opinion has become even more pro EU. There is no point in asking that question again.

There needs to be genuine Peoples’ Votes across these Isles … while England and Wales vote on Leave or Remain in the EU, Scotland and NI should be presented with a question which asks what they want in the event of England and Wales opting to Leave again.