Getting left behind
Posted on
October 06, 2023 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
Humza Yousaf didn’t turn up to the count tonight. In the end, even on a dreadfully low turnout of 37%, Labour won by 9,446 votes, with more than twice as many as the SNP.
It was a much worse defeat for the governing party than most expected. There should be only one outcome.
Fast work on a proper nice mock cover. Kudos Rev (or your design person).
Wonderful idea to appoint a proven serial failure and expect anything else.
Dear First Minister Yousaf,
Could you possibly see to it that we at least have an excruciatingly painful and protracted Bute House press conference later today?
I think Scotland’s cold huddled masses deserve something to look forward to before many of us freeze to death this winter.
Thank you in advance.
Another tenner on him doing the loooooooooonng goodbye. There are nests to be feathered. The party is a self evident farce, the movement is in disarray, the very idea of independence has been so fogged up and conflated by nonsensical micro issues that it’s going to take years to refocus enough to create real momentum. Job done.
Lesley Riddoch was saying that on the Independence question the SNP had to address it with a direct policy to achieve it, when Brown was asked about Humza’s future brown replied Humza was safe.
My god even now the SNP are being told they are going to go down to the sort numbers of SNP MPs at Westminster before 2010, the penny doesn’t seem to be getting through.
People who vote SNP stayed at home, you can’t as a party keep leading people up a hill only to take them back down again and lie after lie its all cot up with the SNP.
Lets see what daft Idea they come up with on achieving Independence at their next conference.
SNP vote 2019 = 23,775 and 2023 = 8,399
All the lonely people where do they all belong?
Could you imagine if the SNP at the next Westminster election only won 6 seat the party would be finished financially.
Beat me to it!
I almost posted the original TIME cover with the query, “how shoogly is the peg on which this man’s jaiket hings?”
Lets be honest within the SNP nothing will change the party will continue as if nothing is wrong and they are the only party in town.
Humza has to go, for Scotland’s sake.
And if he doesn’t go, SNP members have to make him go.
This result is truly appalling.
However, it has to be said the Labour dude ran a totally duplicitous campaign.
He wants us back in Europe, and he wants to end the tory Social Security policy, but Starmer will have none of it, and new MP Shanks knows that.
But, the fact the SNP made it possible for this By Election to ever happen in the first place, is their own fault.
Damn them!!!
If Humza goes look at who’ll we’ll end up with Kate Forbes, you may as well kiss Independence goodbye for good.
Unionist want Forbes but the nationalist needs Ash Regan
Another SNP success? – wonderful work for the union.
I reckon Humza and Co knew exactly what to expect, they’ve done nothing since Salmond to further this country.
Saving grace: I love it when they’re horribly exposed as bad for Scotland. I hope the ("Tractor" - Ed)s are hurting tonight, and tomorrow, and until they sink into a rotten stank without trace.
I find it astonishing that he made the cover of that magazine.
People like him are the reason the West is collapsing.
What an arsehole. Get it up him.
Rangers sacked their manager for less.
Humza Yousaf. Disgrace to the badge.
HaHaHaHa What a fucking twat,the buck stops with him HaHaHa wee nicky has made a total c+++ of Scotland and Scots, does anyone actually believe that this MORON who has FAILED at everything he has done has the integrity or honesty to resign, Humza Useless #notMYfm will cling on by his fingernails just like his boss,the TRAVESTY is that this clown is earning a substantial salary AND a great pension to RUIN Scotland whilst our people are suffering the ravages of WM unionist parties
C’mon polis Scotland sweep aw these clowns away
Justsayin’…
Rather than sitting idly by while the rancid SNP humiliates Scotland and pulls the legs off Independence, we could have seized the initiative and impeached the whole Vichy Assembly and rid ourselves of these troughing fuckers and Westminster’s colonial beachhead at the same time.
Burn the Scotland Act, and all who sail in her.
Getting the Greens to fuck would be a good start. Just 2% of the vote in Rutherglen. They hold to much sway for that level of support and everything they touch turns to shit.
Just deserts methinks, and more of the same required.
The opportunity to give the rest of these troughing charlatans their jotters will be along soon enough.
The disappointing elements for me were that Colette Walker polled only 207 and there were 8399 myopic arseholes still dumb enough to tick the box marked SNP. What does it take for these people to see Yousless & Co. for what they are… no friends of Indy and incompetent in every other area of government.
Big Christmas bonuses at MI5
My only sympathy is that Yousaf is carrying the can for damage caused by Sturgeon, but he had ample opportunity to change the trajectory, but didn’t.
The SNP is now so utterly talentless, it is very difficult to see this as anything other than the deliberate and malicious intention. Surely nobody can be that stupid without assistance?
I lied about the sympathy. I feel tremendous sympathy for Margaret Ferrier; victimised, abandoned, betrayed and stabbed in the neck by the slimy shitbags she helped get elected. None of the crap tipped over Margaret’s head was remotely necessary. None of it.
the turnout is encouraging
I thought there would have been a greater spread of the vote last night, would appear that many voters were prepared to forgive labours backing of the GRA bill to make sure the SNP got the message, which surprised me slightly. Yuseless on Time magazine, well it did feature Hitler and several Nazi party members in the late 30s early 40s so it has historical form for picking wrong uns.
@Breeks says:6 October, 2023 at 6:05 am
None of the crap tipped over Margaret’s head was remotely necessary. None of it
Gotta say, it’s a special day when I find myself in enthusiastic agreement with Breeks!
He’s right. The hysterical OTT reaction to the Chinese flu should never have been allowed. People travel and go into public places with mild ordinary flu all the time. It’s a bad idea, and generally frowned upon, but its not a cause for career downfall, personal disgrace, or police intervention.
However, that horse long since bolted. Covid was weaponised against specific individuals for party political advantage and/or personal spite. Ferrier was daft to think she was somehow or other exempt from the restrictions and witch hunts she connived at putting in place.
And for being daft, she deserved what she got. Politics is no place for dafties, not even in the SNP.
Let’s not bother with independence, let’s impose silly ULEZ zones just when folk are struggling with bills, let’s adopt silly unscientific, homophobic, anti-women gender nonsense, let’s get rid of one of our own MP’s because she won’t drink the gender ‘kool-aid’, let’s smear one of our parties greatest political leaders and remove him from our history, let’s conspire to put an innocent man in jail for the rest of his life then repeatedly smear and denigrate him when found innocent, let’s refuse to work with other pro independence parties, let’s get rid of juries for rape trials, let’s not stand up for Scotland, let’s allow England to forcibly drag Scotland out of the EU with barely a whimper, let’s form a coalition with the greens, who nobody in Scotland elects, let’s make a Canadian airhead elected as a list msp a cabinet minister, let’s make another green list msp a cabinet minister, let’s encourage fifteen minute cities (a policy nobody wants), let’s send our elected MP’s to London to sit like good wee girls and boys, doff their caps, and whine a bit, Let’s make a no-hoper our leader, let’s not stand up for Scotland’s constitutional rights and Scots law.
Now, can ANYBODY tell me why our voters have deserted us???
Even if Humza was gone by lunchtime what would change? There’s ten years of accumulated failure with grifters and wokery inhabiting the party structure at all levels. Just how long will it take to clean the stables and get the party solely focussed on independence? Where will all the new activists come from? Where is the reservoir of pent up talent just waiting to explode onto the scene once all the mediocrity is removed?
You could resurrect the party’s fortunes. A month or two of nights of the long knives might clear out enough space to operate but it would take a leader of extraordinary talent and ruthlessness alongside an insurrection in the current ranks to pull it off. Any change in the party is going to have to come in large part from outside, i.e. voters demanding it. At least on that front, last night’s result is somewhat of a step in the right direction.
There’s a whole barrel of pigs ears in the SNP. I don’t see silk purses being woven anytime soon.
@robertkknight says:6 October, 2023 at 5:15 am
8399 myopic arseholes still dumb enough to tick the box marked SNP. What does it take for these people to see Yousless & Co. for what they are… no friends of Indy and incompetent in every other area of government
You put your finger on the big question.
Here’s what I think, inspired by Family Guy’s Stewie talking to Brian:
“You’re a douchebag, Brian, but you’re MY douchebag”
The sentiment applies to Scotland and the SNP:
They’re a bunch of arseholes, but they’re SCOTLAND’S arseholes, they’re OOR arseholes, they’re really just US.
God help us all.
PaulK at 0441am,
Yes, yes, yes and yes. Dumping these toxic greens (who get a tiny vote share, yet swan around like lord god almighty) would be the very first important step forward. A higher priority than getting Humza to step down IMHO.
Breeks at 0605am,
I agree. Especially regarding the shit dumped on Margaret Ferrier. Totally despicable behaviour by the SNP regarding her, the kind of thing we might expect of Tories.
Margaret made a wee mistake (whilst Boris the clown and his chum Sunak were literally partying in number ten) and the utter scummy shits within her own party lined up to stab her in the back, and kick her when she was down. Shameful, beyond words.
Almost as ridiculous as Time’s Woman of the Year 2021.
Reported on the BBC this morning:
“SNP strategists are now playing a long game which, they say privately, involves simply getting through the next year while trying to build support for independence in time to focus on the next Holyrood elections in May 2026.
By then, one told me, the hope is that Scottish voters will have tried both flavours of the UK – Conservative and Labour – and will have concluded that they don’t like either of them.”
Man, two whole fecking years, 2024 & 2025, to get through.
Wait, two and a half years plus, while the dismal SNP go through the motions of government and hope desperately something will turn up.
@Robert Louis says:6 October, 2023 at 6:56 am
Margaret made a wee mistake
Everything that is wrong with the unthinking tribalism that dooms Scotland made evident in one wee post.
Thanks for shining the spotlight, Bob.
They shat in their own nest by dumping Margaret Ferrier but I’m really happy that the green slime only got 601 votes.
Forcing an unnecessary by-election?
The guy is a tactical genius.
I presume the answer now will be to ‘double down’ with the WOKEness.
Scotland deserves all thats f/ing coming to it.
Breeks 6.05am
“I feel tremendous sympathy for Margaret Ferrier”. Yes, indeed, Breeks. For one of the country’s hardest working MPs to find herself part of this social experiment must be a very bitter pill to swallow.
Then there is the ripple effect – the dedicated and hugely successful team of grassroots campaigners who made it possible for Margaret to win this seat in 2015 & 2019; the electorate who then trusted the SNP as the party for independence and now the people of the constituency, losing a representative whose focus was to work for them.
As ever, the real human fallout is scarcely mentioned. Where do the ripples stop?
The troughers will be shittin themselves as they’ll be out at the next General Election. We want independence and they’ve ignored us for too long.
What happens when an unstoppable farce meets a malleable object ?
Humza Yousaf happens . Consistent failure is elevated to a kind of art form ; and rewarded with the cover of Time magazine . * see also celebrity serial failure yet somehow feted as ” successful ” – N Sturgeon .
This also happens ……
A Political Party of long standing with a clear , unequivocal goal gets eaten alive from the inside by some kind of alien parasite . In less than a decade .
Behold ….A new star dominates the Northern sky . That it died millennia ago and what we see now is it’s death dance , it’s hymn to oblivion , is neither here nor there to it’s wide-eyed supplicants .
The Labour Dog Star has arisen and all is good . A new dawn for useless cunts of slightly different hue breaks . The Noble Union has been rescued and secured . The lion without a heart has lain down with the lamb without a clue .
The lone prophet has come in from the wilderness , verily, Jeremiah The Murray is seen once again ; his solitary vigil over , his Union robes glinting like armour under the BBC lights , his gloat awesome in it’s self-satisfaction .
All that remains is to count how many times the word ” seismic ” will be heard & seen across the land .
Oneliner says:
Big Christmas bonuses at MI5
Oh give it a rest. One consistent feature of the last decade has been nationalists in general and the SNP in particular seeking to blame others (invariably the English) for their own failures. The SNP has shown itself to be incapable of governing. Their record, however you choose to measure it, is atrocious and all hidden under a fake narrative about the imminence of independence and frequent deployment of the aforementioned blame game.
There are two real shockers here. Firstly, that they got away with it for years, the ultimate political emperor’s new clothes act, and it took an all out assault on the rights of women before anybody other than the tories even started to notice. Secondly, the bizarre belief that “the SNP does not equal nationalism” is a viable strategy going forward to persuade people to support independence. The cause of independence is indelibly associated with the SNP and severely tarnished as a result of their failure and the reasons for it, however much you try to pretend otherwise.
You my friend need to buy a big mirror and have a long hard look in it because it was you and many others here that voted for them regardless, not once, not twice, but over and over again. You facilitated them doing this so ultimately it’s on you, not MI5 or some unholy unionist brotherhood or tooth fairies or men from Mars or anything else. You.
Bottom line is the SNP has destroyed itself all by itself and in doing so has kicked any prospect of another referendum way into the distant future. The joy at Labour’s win is equally bizarre because Labour won’t facilitate independence in a million years however much you want to think it would.
Went over the WGD to see reaction. Scottish voters didn’t turn up to send a MP to the English parliament, Labour MP voted in only for a year, people having too much on their plate to bother with politics etc
Pathetic head burying in the sand and there will be even more spin in the days to come.
Yusaf won’t resign.
@Paul Davis says:6 October, 2023 at 7:45 am
Amen brother.
One thing to add.
It’s the blind faithful who have facilitated and ignored the SNP silo-ist incompetence and criminality that has resulted with pretendy FM HY via a flawed and fraudulent process.
The same flawed and fraudulent HY who now struts the world stage, showering Scottish taxpayer’s hard-earned cash on his pet personal projects.
It’s a national disgrace. Scotland can go nowhere until this is called out for what it is and a new FM elected via a fully transparent and open process.
I don’t care that much if it is HY again. What I care about, and what every Scot should care about, is that the stain of illegality around the FM’s appointment is cleaned up.
I repeat. It’s a national disgrace, and an insult to Scotland and the Scots.
Do we have numbers on the split by postal votes yet?
Yesterday: the Buck Stops With Me
Today: the Buck is RACEEST!
😀
Salmonds legacy to Sturgeon, 56 out of 59 seats.
Sturgeons legacy to Yousuf, a 20%+ swing to Labour.
It’s got to be said: that once in a lifetime that Nicola and Alex said about the Referendum was spot on. They may have even been over optimistic. Great result for Labour last night but a sad omen for the next UK General Election.
I watched the parade of SNP clowns turning up for a quick Selfie. If you think they will push to remove Humza you are wrong. They will double down for the simple reason that they have been selected by Sturgeon to obey and protect the Cult.
I look at the ISP vote of a few hundred and recognise that SNP voters would rather stay at home than vote for an Indy candidate.
Give the trash at SNP HQ a day or two and the chant will resume….”The SNP is the only vehicle for Independence”. They will hope to play the same carrot game, Conference will be even more tightly stage damaged.
Until the TransCult are removed and real Indy leadership in place we are stuck in the Union.
Sturgeon delivered for her Masters (or it was probably a repeat of her career incompetence)
Those MPs and MSPs are still convinced they are safe to carry on chanting the Sturgeon Mantra, Humza will repeat the Green alliance pledge.
They are even stupid enough to bring back Sturgeon the architect of their collapse.
I may not see Independence but I hope to see the annihilation of the Pervert Party.
We owe to the next generation to destroy this Cult and let them start building a real Indy Movement.
To those “rebel” MSPs and MPs. This is your last chance. Stay in that Party and I consider you as guilty as the Sturgeon Clique.
I watched a real drive forward up to 2014 and the Murrells stole our Movement and our Money.
If the choice is remaining in the Union for longer or turning Scotland into a TransCult loopy Utopia. I’ll take the former because it protects Women and Children a little bit better.
I hope the Murrells get exactly what they deserve. I know the nodding donkeys she selected are going to get what they deserve.
“Margaret made a wee mistake” Robert at 6.56. Yep, travelled the length of the country, visited gift shop and hairdresser all actually with covid. Far worse than Boris but still a “wee” mistake?
Equally a message to Westminster, only 37% consider London based mps of any significance.
Message to SNP, likewise.
HY get the Sturgeon demon off your back. NOW!
The SNP became “British”.
Mired in corruption, cronyism, a “go-to destination” for careerists and a vehicle for the latest political fad.
If there was a movement, born of focus groups and beloved by the political trendies, to state that the Moon was made of Blue Cheese then the SNP would have jumped aboard the band wagon.
They’ve pulled a cross dressers skirt over the eyes of their supporters.
Labour’s vote is actually down from 18,545 to 17,845 versus 2019 yet their share of the vote goes from 34.5% to 55.8% due to the collapse in turnout.
The tory vote in 2019 just melts away to almost nothing, 8,054 to 1,192. That is curious as it did not manifest in Labour tactical votes. Where did it go…
It is more a case of the SNP (and the tories) totally not showing up than any victory for the opposition. And boy did they not show up. 23,775 votes for Margaret Ferrier evaporated into 8,399 votes for Katy Loudon.
This just reinforces the view that at the next electoral opportunity the SNP vote is going to collapse / not show up in a way that makes 2017 look like a political picnic on a glorious summer’s day.
This is EXACTLY what we need to do. NOTHING. And they will all be out in one sweep near enough, just like Labour was.
63% No Show
I understand how they feel.
These by-elections/general elections are all part of the Union Show.
It’s all a charade to give the impression we are living in an equal union and not a colony.
63% do not want to be part of the Union Show.
There’s a strange conundrum happening in Scottish politics at the moment.
Why are the SNP still attracting over 8000 voters to back them in this by election last night?
Why are “WE” still a tiny minority within the independence movement?
If ALBA put a candidate forward last night, I think we would have been lucky to get 500 votes.
Something isn’t adding up here.
And where the fukc is the poison dwarf Sturgeon?,,,she’s the source of all this mayhem.
What is she saying about the result last night?
And what’s her perverted soul mate Pat Harvie got to say?
Did their last chance not come some time ago?
There are no good guys in the SNP
Looking at things from a woman’s perspective the only good guy in UK politics seems to be Rushi Sunak.
Although I think he’s all mouth and no trousers!
For all independentists who willed the damnation of the SNP and all its works, the Unionist press is having multiple orgasms over this wee sign of life in Labour’s dessicated colonialist cadaver, including Mr Curtice, on Unionist form.
SOMETHING «RADICAL» MUST RESULT, other than just shedding bitter tears of self lacerating frustration.
The UK totally stinks of decay, even clean Scottish rain will never cleanse the stench.
SCALPEL!
I came here but see Mac @ 8.29AM has stole my script.
You’re right on the button, Mac.
Looking at the actual numbers, the Labour vote was down by about a thousand.
Tory vote almost wiped out – he lost his deposit, as did the other 11 candidates.
The extremely low turnout of 37% means that even a very large number of postal voters shunned it. Those are the most committed, what does it take for a postal voter to be so turned off?
The SNP vote utterly collapsed. Yesterday’s candidate got only about a third of the votes that Margaret Ferrier received last time around. Hopefully yesterday’s candidate will never be seen again in politics.
There’s a lot of lessons to be learnt here. I’d put money on there being nobody within the SNP hierarchy that is even listening to the runes blowing around in the stillness of the wee small hours after their utter gubbing.
I had a person last night explaining how after 50 years of being an SNP activist she just couldn’t NOT vote SNP when up against a Labour challenge. I understand that. And she knew that the SNP candidate is a useless puff piece who doesn’t even recognise the word independence.
The people stayed home. The people have spoken. A pox on all of you was their cry.
I broke the habit of almost a year a few minutes ago and checked WGD. Don’t bother with the article. Go to the btl comments:
Scottish Skier, Oct 6 at 5.29am.
Is he serious?
At least I got a laugh out of it on this sad day.
Let’s be honest here, this isn’t just about Humza and this is only the beginning. The SNP since Salmond left has changed from wanting Scotland to be a low tax high wage economy with a plan to have every large UK business relocate to Scotland to a corrupt, trans loving, anti womens rights, high tax, unorganised shambles of a government. The SNP have it all wrong and to such an extent that after 13 years of a Tory government Independence isn’t even top of the political agenda. Are they listening or will they continue down the road to a political wilderness.
The SNP ship is dead in the water. Time for the real indy movement to finish it off before taking the fight to the undisguised unionists.
Labour can have their little dance to celebrate their empty victory, because such an anti-Scottish and pro-woke party that aims to finish off the oil industry is going nowhere except back down again.
Looks like the dislike and mistrust of the SNP by its own “natural” voters is developing into a full-blown hatred for everything that party has allied itself with of recent times.
Sunak’s wee joke at Manchester regarding Sturgeon shouldn’t be forgotten either by those daft enough to believe that Yousaf and Sturgeon did it all by themselves. Pretty fucking smart for a couple of dummies!
SCALPEL?
Reviewing the extent of atrophy.
CHAINSAW!
If the Great British SNP are going to do nothing except campaign on fringe issues the majority have zero interest in pursuing, we may as well vote for the next governing English party and enjoy them throwing cash at their branch office.
In the words of an arsehole, the SNP and Labour are 2 cheeks of the same arse. The media will present this as a rejection of Indy, but the opposite is true. If SNP are burying Indy, there is no reason to vote SNP. As an indy supporter, I’m fucking delighted Labour won
Imagine if the SNP as a political party and the primary vehicle for achieving independence had a ‘reset button’.
Press it, and it transforms the SNP back to the party of pre-2014.
I think every single one of us (excluding the 77th Brigade bores and WGD melts of course) would be pressing that reset button.
Literally nothing good has happened post-2014 under Sturgeon and her systematic demolishment of the SNP and Alex Salmond’s good name. Nothing.
The reset button does not exist of course but it does in a way.
This by election shows us, it demonstrates that by simply not showing up in vast numbers for one electoral cycle at Holyrood and Westminster we can ‘reset’ the SNP by clearing out the infestation of imposter troughers that Sturgeon deliberately populated the SNP with.
This is not just a reset button, it is the SNP’s last chance to be ‘saved’ whereby to save something long term you have to kill it short term.
The problem of course is that the vast majority of people are totally ignorant of what is going on, willfully ignorant in many cases, especially regarding the Salmond stitch-up. I guess it is hard to recognize the truth as it means recognizing that you betrayed a good man who took us to the brink of independence from nowhere and made the Queen crap her pants, a hero, and they betrayed him. Not an easy to thing to live with, so just pretend it did not happen…
Sturgeon and Murrell have completely destroyed everything Salmond built up including the man himself’s good name. If you can’t see that by now it is because you don’t want to see it, because you are a coward and you aided and abetted it all.
link to time.com
This is the video from the Time Up magazine.
Isn’t it a bit strange that a so called progressive party has a ‘Holy Willie’ as their leader?
Yousaf is always talking about his religion.
Is that not quite odd?
Quite depressing that the SNP still dominate the indy vote, and despite the utter train wreck of the last year in particular, no other candidate got a foot in the door. Hard to think where to go now other than waiting for a wipe out of the top tier of the party.
@Paul Davis
1. I can’t mark your homework if you haven’t done it
2. You use the standard Colonial apologist attack of presumed psychometry
I don’t recall ever having met you let alone discussing my voting habits
Labour could become the dominant party in Scotland if the Rutherglen and Hamilton West by-election result is replicated, says elections expert John Curtice.
The Labour Party in Scotland another ‘progressive’ political party with a ‘Holy Willie’ as leader.
Very weird!
SNP conference will be bloodbath interesting
FM policy of a majority of pro independence MPs at next UK general election is a mandate for independence is apple crumble
SNP said nought when they won 56 in 2015
Ruby – Allah works in mysterious ways, eh?
Beauvais says:
6 October, 2023 at 9:07 am
The SNP ship is dead in the water
Naw it isnae. It’s rotting in the dry dock at Ferguson Marine.
The mutineers who took over the vessel after forcing Captain Salmond to walk the plank turned out to be stupid people who are terrible at running a ship.
They spent all the Bursar’s money on parties and then sailed directly into an iceberg. Scotland’s least useful people are scrambling for the lifeboats, hoping some of them might get picked up by HMS Sir Keir Starmer.
William Russell @ 09.14
“In the words of an arsehole … two cheeks of the same arse”. Classic, wish I’d come up with that one, gave me my first giggle of the morning.
Pick a headline:
Labour wins landslide election by getting the least votes this century.
2005: Win with 24,054 votes
2010: Win with 28,566 votes
2015 : Lose with 20,304 votes
2017: Win with 19,101 votes
2019 : Lose with 18,545 votes
2023: Win with 17,845 votes
Does anyone else notice a trend here?
SNP lose landslide election by shedding 65% of it’s voters.
2023 : Lose with 8,399 votes
2019 : Win with 23,775 votes
@Robert Louis
So you are one of those “dragged out the EU” types? Fuck your EU. Stick to reading in drag at your local library.
I think HY is secure in knowing he could just call an election in response to any threat.
Going by the delusional responses from SNP, they have learned NOTHING.
They don’t listen, they all deserve, with a couple of exceptions, to be booted into touch.
The US press support Humza and previously Sturgeon because they’re weak gullible fools who’ll sell Scotland to the lowest bidder for a bunch of beads.
The SNP believed that Independence belonged to them and that while people supported Independence the idea of the SNP being defeated or a revival for Labour was nonsense, it just would never happen so the SNP leadership believed.
By SNP getting rid or Margaret Ferrier might have just saved the party from total annihilation at the next Westminster election, if the SNP are able to address what has just happened yesterday.
I to believe yesterdays results will be ignored by the SNP MSP, the question is, will the SNP MPs be so willing to sit quite when in a years’ time they’ll all lose their seats.
John Curtis said Yesterday, 6months ago the SNP was riding high in the opinion polls its only since Humza has become leader the voters are going to turn there back on the SNP, so do the SNP protect Humza who is protecting the Murrells or is Humza willing to stand by his word except blame and stand aside.
feels worse than 2014
asking for a friend
Just did a tour of the SNP Party Loyalists on Twitter.
It was the voters fault for staying at home. It was the voters fault for voting Labour. It was the Weather…….all followed by “They will flock back to the SNP next year when they realise what they have done”
We have dozens of posts about a great campaign, wonderful candidate…at odds with the election outcome.
I have not found ANY recognition or admission that policies may have been an issue.
So next year expect to see a TransCult flag at election HQ, no activists, No Saltires, no voters, a lot of Selfies……and therefore another drubbing.
A Political Party telling the Voters how stupid they are is bad enough. However telling an electorate who believe that the People of Scotland are Sovereign is stupid.
The Voters are to blame….but don’t worry they will come crawling back to us next year.
TIME caught up last night for sure for the snp TIME wasters.Nobody to blame but the ones at the top.
To paraphrase, «it’s leadership stupid», not just about a single «leader» but about those aspiring to lead.
In a popular democracy candidates for leadership, at every level, concerns all.
Crudely, rubbish in, rubbish out.
Scottish independence is the prelude to year one in the new reckoning, the time the rubbish of centuries of dependency, and the smug, class obsessed, Herrenvolk British political order is consigned to the incinerater.
There should be no doubt, in any mind, as to Scotland’s determination to «get rid».
In the current Brit socio-political climate how difficult is that?
The turnout was poor, as is normal for by elections. But the media concentrating on vote share from those who DID turn up are missing the biggest part of the the story, that mac and red sunset have mentioned… 23262 folk who turned up to vote in 2019 couldn’t be arsed for this by election… 700 of them labour, 6962 conservative, 1896 libdem, and an astonishing 15376 snp… the electorate are saying very very clearly what they think of politicians (the tories (86.4% drop) and snp (64.7% drop)…)
Make of the numbers what you will, the Scottish electorate are screaming as loudly as they can that they don’t like the tories in westminster, and (the ones in Rutherglen, at least) don’t like what was done to Margaret ferrier (or are waking up to what Nicolas sturgeon did, or….)…
An awfully bad night for rishi, but a serious thump in the gub for humza and his buddies.
Red,
I completely agree, although I believe it wasn’t stupidity that got the SNP to where they are but a deliberate and planned route by the upper echelons of the so called independence party, the minions are definitely thickwits.
I don’t believe Occam’s razor applies to Sturgeon and crew in this respect.
John Curtis was wrong though the slide had been happening whilst potato face was still FM. Blame the brown guy.
Well, the SNP drubbing begins and worse than I thought : Sturgeon’s fault but Youssef helped force this byelection – if the SNP continues on its transam express then Labour will take Scotland and the SNP will become Scotland’s second party.
It was obvious 6 months ago the SNP was fkd but the SNPy folk didn’t see it – maybe they will now ? The SNP needs to get professional again… but I suspect the malaise is set in and the wilderness years doth beckon.
“the Unionist press is having multiple orgasms over this wee sign of life in Labour’s dessicated colonialist cadaver, including Mr Curtice, on Unionist form”
Ahh!, but are they celebrating the result or desperately trying to validate and legitimise it as democratic in the eyes of the electorate?
Because that is what looks like to me, and this is, in my view, what they have been trying to do since the moment they started to wheel out “experts” months ago to parrot their “predictions” of the result.
Yesterday’s “election” had all the hallmarks of having been:
1. A test of how well the unionist vote continues to hold in preparation for an upcoming GE which might be forced to be run as a vote on independence by increasing popular pressure on the SNP
2. A fabricated deterrent against popular demands to make the next GE an election of independence. The deterrent has been in construction for nine years by deliberately making the SNP unelectable through a combination of explicit incompetence, corruption, nasty and profoundly unpopular polices, contempt for the party’s constitution and the voters and an exaggerate display of apathy against any progress towards independence.
As per the Rev’s X (former twitter) thread, all traditional parties diminished the number of absolute votes. Therefore, I am not sure they can credibly claim “there has been a swing to Labour”. There has been a “swing to labour” and a “swing out of labour”. What is clear as day is that there has been one hell of a swing out of the SNP and out of the unionist pool of votes, the latter perhaps the most salient thing in yesterday’s election.
The colonial press claims of “labour’s success” become even more laughable when you realise that to achieve such “swing” you had the other colonial parties heavily enforcing tactical voting. This is evident by the gargantuan drop in votes for the tories, which went from over 8,000 votes in 2019 to less than 1200.
The combined vote for labour, cons, lidems and UKIP in 2019 was 30,019.
The combined vote for labour, cons, libdems and Reform UK yesterday was a meagre 20,335. In other words, unionism appears to have potentially lost as much as 30% of the votes in the space of just 4 years. They do not have much to celebrate on that, I should think.
If the turnout was only 37%, this means over 60% of the electorate rejected, in practice, every single candidate who put themselves forward. And that is the real result here, no matter how much hyperbole and fake “swings” to unionism the colonial press is desperately trying to peddle to actively disinform the public.
That the overwhelming majority of the electorate can no longer be bothered in approaching the polls, because there is nothing they feel they can be arsed to vote for, and that the unionist number of votes has dropped by a massive 30% in 4 years, is nothing for unionism to celebrate. It is something to commiserate themselves for and to be very worried indeed.
With results like this it is starting to become obvious why the UK establishment is so scared of a referendum.
The question here is how low the UK establishment is prepared to go in their farcical pretence of “democracy”. Are they going to get to the point where only 5% of the electorate bother to cast a vote and yet, they still are going to talk about “overwhelming swings” and “overwhelming victories”?
The whole thing has become a complete farce, but what is really insulting here is that the colonial mouthpieces clearly think we are all so stupid that we cannot count and cannot see what is really going on.
It is only for so long they can continue to fool the electorate. The result from yesterday’s election is very clear:
The majority of the electorate rejected current UK politics. The majority of the electorate in that constituency could not be arsed/did not see the point in continuing sending a representative to the union parliament. In other words, the majority of the electorate in that constituency have no interest in that parliament and possibly the union.
If the UK and in particular Scotland, was a democracy and yesterday’s was a real election rather than a legitimised transfer of the seat to labour to keep the pretence of the UK being a union, then the election would be run again with more candidates or would be considered a direct rejection of Westminster.
You cannot consider an election result representative of the will of the people unless over 50% of the electorate cast a vote.
What yesterday’s election result is telling us, is that the current political arrangement and pretend democracy the UK displays during “elections” in Scotland is running out of road.
What we should be asking ourselves is for how long we are going to let them continue peddling this charade.
what feat has Murray Foote’ acheived ?
Mission accomplished by the monoparty globalists.
With regard to TIME look up its owner, his connection to the WEF, and who its senior staff are. Those who are hinting US meddling in other countries affairs are getting close but need to go in deeper and find out who has been running the US for the last eighty years.
To quote Tom Waits “Time’s not your friend.”
Humza, the Michael Beale of Scottish political puppets.
The SNP, the Ayr Station Hotel of devolution unionist politics.
I don’t know whether to laugh or greet.
@Rev, along with the Time’s Up (and Vivid) album(s) I also have the 12″s of Cult Of Personality and Glamour Boys, I can see why of these you chose Time’s Up with regard to Humza.
After a few weeks of humming n hawing i’ll be back to the usual pish of Carrots are good for us .
F/OFF SNP useless cunts .
The North British Labour branch office will be every bit as rotten as the Woko Haram aka SNP. So its a win/win for indy if Salmond and Alba can rally the troops.
In a bid to motivate those who chose not to vote it will be announced that Humza is pregnant.
Salmond will never build an indy coalition without the support of people for whom the continuous extraction (rather than a credible tailing-off) of oil is a red line.
But he is doing all he can to piss them off, with a policy much the same as Sunak’s of pedal to the metal while there is still juice to get.
It’s a strange strategy from a supposed master.
Agree Humza’s coat is on a shoogly peg. But successor?
The very idea that Scotland should sacrifice itself on the altar of climate change is the reason that any Greens should be kept well away from our government.
A fruitless endeavour that doesn’t merit the level of student politics.
Fruitella, there’s a theory that the introduction of fossil fuels saved the planet as every forest would have been felled including the South American rainforests which countries would have waged war over. I guess we’ll never know.There’s 2 sides to an equation and a multitude of ways of looking at things.
Nothing wrong with using the money from oil and gas to invest in alternative energy.
Idealism and realism are unlikely bedfellows.
It’s not for an old ex Labour member to give advice to the SNP, but much as Id like to see change at the top, it’s surely worth waiting until after the next Westminster election. I doubt if a new face at the top will make much difference before then; they’re going to take a beating, and the last thing a new leader needs is to be blamed for the fiasco.
Let Useless swing in the wind until then, and hopefully get rid of him and his lackeys afterwards, in time to save the next Holyrood election.
Frazerio says on 6 October 2023 at 8:19 am:
“Salmonds legacy to Sturgeon, 56 out of 59 seats.
Sturgeons legacy to Yousuf, a 20%+ swing to Labour.”
Well said, Frazerio! This is all Skanky Sturgeons doing. It’s her legacy crown and we must make sure she wears it. Hoozat Useless playing to his Murrell masters with “the buck stops with me” shite is fooling nobody. Every bit of this is down to the gangrenous rot spread by Skanky Sturgeon and her Woko Haram gang.
NOTE: Folks, Boko Haram are a Nigerian terrorist outfit who are accused of various atrocities including the abduction, rape and murder of thousands of females. They are not to be confused with the excellent English rock group of the 60’s named Procol Harum. A group responsible for such classics as A Whiter Shade Of Pale. Now there’s a song for Hoozat Useless. Lock him in a padded cell and blast that into the cell 24/7 non-stop. That’s how you deal with racists like Mr Useless.
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I don’t expect to persuade folk with oil fever that eschewing the profits (temporary – it’s likely a loss when the damage is factored in, but that’s paid by the public) is worthwhile. That’s not my point.
You have to convince the people who follow the science to join with you to get independence and if Labour offer the better response to climate change, currently they do, they will stick with that. Time to muffle the money huggers.
I was never involved in student politics but witnessed it up close in Stirling in the mid 70s. I recognise a fair number of IS/SWP, and CP/Labour types on here. Do you think calling green voters perverts and nonces and a danger to children is a sign of grown-up politics?
And as predicted by so many, Margaret Ferrier being the first to be blamed by the continuity candidate!
“And as predicted by so many, Margaret Ferrier being the first to be blamed by the continuity candidate!”
Just like Sturgeon did in the past, it seems Yousaf is following her very same cowardly strategy: to avoid being subjected to well deserved strong scrutiny, they quickly dump on others their own accountability and responsibility for their very own failure, being this failure by design or the product of superlative incompetence.
Allegedly, the by-election was forced because 15% signed a petition demanding it. Yet, over 60% of the electorate in that constituency did not cast a vote. I would say that is a very powerful message and I would interpret it as the majority of the electorate in that constituency being absolutely disgusted at how the by-election was undemocratically forced through and their democratically elected representative forced out by a vicious and corrupt political establishment which has nothing but contempt for democracy and for the will of the people they claim to represent.
When you think about it, the way this by-election was forced was a disgusting way of overruling the will of the constituents.
15% of an 80,000 strong electorate is only 12,000 votes. Where do they come from? The labour voting pool? The 8,000 tory voters of which possibly up to 7000 lend their vote to labour?
I think we should start collecting signatures in every constituency in Scotland to force by-elections. Let’s see how those who pushed and pushed to overrule the constituents in order to oust Ms Ferrier like a taste of their own medicine. At the end of the day, what have any of those MPs and MSPs achieved for Scotland?
The square root of Fall.
If the electorate had thought a by-election was fair, they would have turned up to vote in much bigger numbers. One wonders how many of those who remained at home would have happily voted for Ms Ferrier should she had been a candidate in this farcical election.
I think Yousaf and the new SNP CEO must resign. This was a tests to their competence. If they cannot even maintain a seat in a by-election where the original candidate won by a significant majority, then what the hell are they going to achieve in the next GE?
Who do they think they are fooling?