Data mining #1
Posted on
August 10, 2013 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
A series of super-short snippets from our splendid survey.
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UNDECIDED WHICH WAY THEY’LL VOTE IN THE REFERENDUM
Men: 22%
Women: 38%
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Its the economy stupid. If you’re responsible for the family finances you can’t go betting the ranch on politicians promises and if you are one of the older ones then there is the security of your pension to worry about.
I think this is a very healthy figure,giving how long we still have before the referendum. Would be concerned if these figures were lower,having to change minds a being a larger challange!
Playing hard to get ? Looking to be convinced ?
and YES : Good thing is, Women usually make the right decision in the end !
Most good at spotting a liar a mile off > BLIAR McD beware !!!
Just need to tempt him into saying more ………
I can’t decide whether I should make a sexist joke about women not being able to make up their minds. </irony>
It is a no-brainer, vote yes for a better future!
A written guarantee the Scottish pension will be at least 10 quid a week more than the British one written into constitution is required.
I’m really disappointed that this poll wasn’t given the kind of exposure it deserved elsewhere.
Let’s be fair, Jimbo – the media has only has the full data tables since last night. If there’s nothing in the Sunday papers or Monday’s TV, then we can cry foul. And be assured we will.
Canna be surprised though Jimbo. Get it out via social media. Print posters for street stalls. To be fair, NNS has run with it.
Could I ask some of the lassies on here what we need to do to get mair lassies on oor side?
Why should they have made up their minds yet if they don’t feel they have garnered enough information in order to come to a final decision? What is so unusual or worrying about that?
The vote is still more than a year away, and if anything, I would say that undecided is the sane and rational response to have at the moment. I am a political anorak and have long since passed the info gathering, hording and analysing level that my YES vote is now set in stone, but for most sane, rational and busy, busy people, focus on required political decisions in their lives only come late on in the allotted campaigning period.
Their decision will be made though, and on the best evidence and arguments available at the time. That’s why, speaking as the aforementioned political information and argument horder that I am, we should have absolutely no fears over which way those undecideds will eventually make their stand.
It’s a matter of hard, hard work on our part and faith in the arguments we have to deploy. They are only undecideds. They know there is a deadline looming but there is still plenty of time before a final decision must be made. As anoraks, so should we.
Rev Stu
“Let’s be fair…”
Is there anything to suggest that they have been fair in the past? As we speak they will be putting a Union Gloss on the figures.
I can’t understand folk that are undecided. You either believe a country should govern itself, or you don’t. What is there to think about?
Ach, let’s be sexist. And European. I’ve been working with German volunteers in Glasgow’s East End recently, and they had this joke for me:
Q: Why is a man like a woman?
A: Both don’t know what she wants.
OK, maybe it works better in German.
Juteman,
That’s the inescapable logic behind the referendum question and I think you are right, the answer is simple once you have thought about it seriously.
Undecideds simply haven’t yet thought about it seriously, or at least without the speeding train of a looming deadline forcing their hand on a final position. This will happen and they will, in the end and in good time, respond to the available arguments and take the logical step.
The Tree of Liberty says:
Could I ask some of the lassies on here what we need to do to get mair lassies on oor side?
No idea Tree of Liberty – almost every lassie I know is a Yes apart from one, who is an elderly dyed-in-the-wool Brit that just doesn’t believe in Scotland, full-stop. I’d love to meet one of those 38% and show them the light!
O/T but had to share. Came across this tweet the other night from George Foulkes.
“Political crossroads.Tories in disarray in UK with membership haemorrhage & SNP meltdown as Salmond credibility in tatters.Labour hold nerve”
I laughed so hard my legs fell off!
I would like to see this question in a future poll.
Do you think every country in the world should govern themselves?
@juteman, braco
Yes. I’ve had some success on the street pointing out to people that the question is a simple one with an obvious answer. To passers by who engage, I say: if you decline to govern your own country then that is a position that every other people in the world would find astonishing. I hope you have a good reason for it.
Hate to say it guys – the internet is all well and good, but we need to be hitting the streets on mass if we really beleive in this !!
Any ideas on the numbers for the March in September ??
Catalan marches get the TV exposure they deserve!!
Rabb your excused – since your legs fell off over Foulkes !!
I find it astonishing when the ‘debate’ is about what tax system, defence, colour of trees, etc, etc, when the actual proposition is so simple.
Let’s keep the debate simple. It’s the NO’s that deliberately try to make it confusing, to disguise the fact that the referendum question is really quite straightforward.
Hopefully Yes are working on this, we need women to vote yes. I’ve found them plus surprisingly teenagers the hardest to win over. And a young female voter first time voter almost impossible to vote yes. Maybe it’s just me, but I’d hazard that out of 16-21 year old voters, it’s about 70% no (from the ones I’ve spoken to).
“And a young female voter first time voter almost impossible to vote yes”
Judging by the mad reactions from teen girls to Peter Capaldi being named as the Doctor, the minute David Tennant came out as a No we were probably buggered…
Faltdubh says “Maybe it’s just me, but I’d hazard that out of 16-21 year old voters, it’s about 70% no (from the ones I’ve spoken to).”
It’s a long time since I was a teenager but perhaps you could ask them to they want to stay at home for the rest of their lives living by their parents’ rules. I imagine they’ll say no. Then ask them why and see how how much of the sentence “because I want my independence” makes it out of thier mouth before the penny drops.
As for my fellow woman perhaps focussing more on the tripe that comes out of Johann Lamont’s mouth rather than her pink jacket (and even I won’t excuse that floral number) might help. Seriously, political anoraks have to focus more on what’s wrong with the UK and how an independent can improve life for families and individuals and less on Schengen and 14000 treaties. Counter BT but keep accenting how Scotland can be better but only if we can elect our own governments, rather than being an irrelevance in Westminster elections.
People like David Tennant probably feel they owe most of their success to BBC and English based production companies and simply feel they don’t want to bite the hand that feeds them – the rest of us can fend for ourselves as far as they are concerned.
I think David Tennants NO owes more to his father. Isn’t he a NI Minister?
Could I ask some of the lassies on here what we need to do to get mair lassies on oor side?
Out in Glasgow this morning with our Yes stall. The women I spoke to were willing to discuss things and were more openminded. They are still making up their minds.
Maybe because they were speaking to another woman?
Come on girls, we need to get out there more.
I think David Tennants NO owes more to his father. Isn’t he a NI Minister?
I don’t think so. Aren’t you getting mixed up with Michael Moore’s dad Haisley? (Michael Moore was a horrible five-year-old. Some things never change.)
@ Morag.
Sorry, it was his grandfather I was thinking of. He was a Minister, and a leading light in the Orange Lodge in Derry.
Never knew that, thanks.
Here you go Morag. Yet another Blair!
link to team-tennant.com
“Could I ask some of the lassies on here what we need to do to get mair lassies on oor side?”
I asked my wife why she thought the percentage of women who ‘don’t know’ was so high. She said she doesn’t know – just kidding.
She reckons that women would rather opt for the safe option of what they have rather than take a gamble on change. Maybe it’s just that simple.
Here you go Morag. Yet another Blair!
link to team-tennant.com
Mmmm, seems that wasn’t really his background, as in how he was brought up, but something he found out and was shocked by when he was researching his family history.
Unlike the Moore family environment.
She reckons that women would rather opt for the safe option of what they have rather than take a gamble on change. Maybe it’s just that simple.
I think women are just getting on with their lives, but come this time next year they will be fully involved (from all walks of life)
Or appeared shocked?
I know my grandparents.
She reckons that women would rather opt for the safe option of what they have rather than take a gamble on change.
So it’s a choice between a change that might make things better or worse, and a certainty that things will get worse.
I will say, though, that it’s been my experience that most women who are undecided/no cite the exact same reasons of change being too “dangerous.” I can’t quite fathom how wanting to remain in a country which could feasibly leave the EU, abandon the human rights convention, will increase austerity and possibly bring some of that lovely surveillance that’s scandalizing the US, and any number of other nightmarish scenarios is more dangerous than independence, but then again, I’m a lad, no’ a lassie.
Taranaich, I don’t think that’s a reasoned position, I think it’s a knee-jerk response to too much subliminal exposure to Project Fear.
Get all the woman to watch Braveheart tonight – channel 4 10.50
From a day at the Yes stall in June, the impression I got was women are more cautious, and want to know detailed information about how independence would work before they vote to take the leap. Nothing wrong with that.
As for the opinions of teenagers, I am an 18 year old boy myself. I’d say girls as a whole are not so much against independence, but anything to do with politics doesn’t interest them at all. A lot of boys don’t care either, but they are much more likely to want independence (maybe for the wrong reasons though). Absolutely none I’ve met are interested in politics or are members of any party.
It just occurred to me: what if we compiled two lists, each based on what we know or what has been stated to be the case in the future, but not say which one will be yes or no?
One list will have the usual possibilities associated with independence, the other a list of things that will happen.
Door Number One: maintain the free NHS, tuition, prescriptions and care for the elderly, pull back the bedroom tax, get rid of trident, pro-immigration policies, etc
Door Number Two: privatisation of public services including NHS, regional benefits capping, continued austerity measures, anti-immigration policies, etc
The trick is, don’t say which is which. Then see which one they’d go for.
That idea has possibilities, I have to say.
Some of my femaie friends are YES but most are undecided. They are very open to hearing about the issues and always say they need ‘more information’. But they are reluctant to choose now. I like talking to them, its easier, and when talking to women, I never get talked over, shouted down or supercilliously asked if I am an economist – (happened last week, when i was talking to a male doctor). I think they are slower to decide – wanting to weigh the evidence. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that approach. I think possibly the presentation of the YES message could be improved, and I think the campaign in general wll need to point out the failings of Westminster and the dangers of remaining with the status quo.
What is this 70% of females would vote No, that you speak of?
The percentage I hear who would vote No, are more like 95%. No kidding! It’s a brave woman (me) who throws out the subject as a conversation topic and whenever I do, these educated, professional types shout me down in unison.
“We don’t want the hassle. Why bother, things are fine as they are. It’s too risky. I’m foreign, I’d get deported. We’d be a third world country within months. Salmond’s a munter, not that I have time to notice I’m too busy trying to keep my job/run the house/feed the kids, etc.”
I only know of one female friend who would vote Yes. She’s not a member of any party, she just feels it’s the right thing for us to do.
I appear to be the only one who has Indy stuff on her FB feed, and I’ve yet to hear a male member of my friends or colleagues broach the referendum subject either.
I am alone in my quest to reach for independence. Hence my stalking of such blogs and fb pages. At weekends, you can find me loitering around YES Scotland tables in towns and villages…which gives me some needed confidence that my fellow countrymen will do the right thing.
I have no idea how to get women more involved.
I ran into one woman on a cruise ship who simply shouted about how evil Salmond and the “poison dwarf” were, and how she wanted rid of them. I suggested that she could vote for someone else after independence. She was pretty angry about it, repeatedly calling Nicola “the poison dwarf”. I later wished I’d asked her what either Alex or Nicola had ever done to upset her so much!
I think she’s something of a minority though.
Why bother, things are fine as they are.
That’s the thing: things won’t be the way they are for much longer. Things haven’t been “the way they were” for a long time: this country has changed considerably over the past half-century, and not for the better. What is with this state of mind?
“the poison dwarf”
ROFL, that’s a new one! Yes, you totally should’ve asked her what her beef with Eck and the Poison Dwarf was.