Wings Over Scotland

…which Labour Press Team faction though?

SNPvery bad, bad bad

So Labour’s on the Wong side again?

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: hypocrisy is a (if not the) defining characteristic of the British Establishment.

Labour a lot to learn.

There is a difference is knowing your shit and knowing you’re shit.

A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step….no,we are not going to take your hand to see you across the road.

#erseholesdynasty

“Why Uber was taken for a ride in China”: link to archive.is
– the degree to which the negotiating platform is stacked against outsiders to China is another aspect of this – at least to the notion that the UK could swap out the EU for China as a trading partner without any burn risk.

Clootie @1:59pm

…which Labour Press Team faction though?

Is it…
Smith and the Pro Tory Labour Blairite Faction?
Corbyn anti Blairite Pro Union Faction?
McTernan and the Blow For Sturgeon there’ll never be another referendum faction?
MacDougal and the United Tuba Players Front faction?
Dugdale For and Against but mostly against SNP Bad faction?
Dugdale for but not against some things but still SNP Bad faction?
The split Labour Scotchland Unionist WATP faction?
The Jackie Baillie 10 billion Trident Jobs we hate the SNP is there a Greggs near here faction?
An undercover David Torrance in a Weetabix disguise Pro Unionist anti Twitter faction?

Or a combination of any of the above?

OT
It was good to hear that Kezia Dugdale is marrying her partner and I’m sure everyone that uses WINGS will congratulate her on giving up her Independence to join a Union?! Well done Kez!

[UK]’Government’s continued failure to develop a modern industrial strategy and provide the infrastructure and other investment needed to deliver it. Only Labour are prepared to take the decisive action, including a £500 billion investment programme backed up a National Investment Bank, that is needed to stop our economy collapsing’

Ok I admit it, Labour do have a sense of humour.

Hi ho, hi ho, it’s off to the House of Lords that I want to go.

Donald Anderson @ 2:09

Yes that was very good!..

One minute the SNP are evil geniuses, the next minute they’re incompetent imposters
A minute after that they’re a totalitarian regime, then they’re lax in government
Our schoolkids are being let down by the SNP and leave school unable to read and write except when they pass all their exams and then it’s didn’t the teachers do well despite the authoritarian dictats of the SNP

Scotland is a shithole and an abject failure under the SNP says all the papers while at the same time they say…

Aye we might have oil but it’s useless, Aye we’ve got tourism but that’ll go away, Aye we’ve got scenery but it rains then people will lose faith and not come back, Aye we’ve got some of the best technical people in the world but they’ll go away to America, and they won’t send us a letter from there

Well every supporter of Independence in Scotland knows one other thing we all wish would go away

Shitehawk no mark “Journalists”

(And you will)

Chinese whispers…

SNPBAD
UNPOAD
UNGOAD
UKGOAD
UKGOOD

Ah – got it!

carjamtic says:

“There is a difference is knowing your shit and knowing you’re shit.”

Now that is, as they, a keeper.

Worth pointing out to Labour’s press team and supporters that latest You Gov Polls give Tories 42% and Labour 28%.

link to ukpollingreport.co.uk

Which coupled with boundary changes will give Theresa May a 90 seat majority in 2020.

link to archive.is

It’s never been clearer – Home Rule or Tory Rule for a generation.

Same goes for Lib Dem hopes of a coaltion with a breakaway right wing Labour grouping.

Labour. To quote Colonel Mustard and the Dijon 5, they’re “Wong on so many levels.”

Personally, I’ve reached the stage where any newspaper stating one thing one day and the opposite the next should be fined for wasting the public’s time and good newsprint.

It isn’t sloppy journalism, it’s corrupt journalism.

Craig P says:
9 August, 2016 at 4:21 pm
Labour. To quote Colonel Mustard and the Dijon 5, they’re “Wong on so many levels.

I wish you would all take a hike with your Chinese inferences.

The wok will do you good!

Labour are Wong on so many occasions. Kez could maybe “WING” the Rev. For some advice.But then again she would probably WING the Wong number. (Oldie)
O/T How dare Hazel Irvine say today that Roger Moore was the best James Bond ever. Erse licking or what!!!

Casual racism is second nature to the establishment:

link to moflomojo.blogspot.com

Anent kez’s new union – at least she has had the sense to go for an optional, reversible, union of equals.
Best wishes for a future with considered matured views!

Two wongs don’t make a wight.

Whit aboot the B. R. I. C. Brazil, Russia, India, China currency malarkey. Is that still a goer? Could wee not have a look at that?

Was Gaddaffi not linked with his own currency or summit like tha so had to be dealt with. See what happened there!

Have to join in what is wong with that?

The Red Tories are corrupt hypocritical chancers who will never be forgiven for their part in the destruction of the Scottish referendum in 2014 and Scotland’s future prosperity.

The complete destruction and death of their Scottish branch office cannot come quick enough. Absolute justice for a mob who have repeatedly crapped on Scotland for outside interests.

We must make them pay heavily at the 2017 Council Elections.
Keep Scotland Tidy – Bin The Trash
Thursday 4 May 2017 – No more LibLabCons – Vote SNP

Now may be an opportune moment to point out that China are already threatening us over Hinkley Point C

link to ft.com

It is how bilateral deals will go when you are a small fish and not in a club like the EU. It really doesn’t matter if you’re 6 million or 60 million if the other guy is 1,300 million!

Whoopsie – my post @ 4:36 should have read as the US-China trade defecit being around $365 BILLION, not millions.

While reading this thread and thinking how lucky Scotland was to have the SNP in government I was listening to the radio: 🙁
—————————————————————

Jenny Mara mouthing off loudly there on radio shortbread about the bad SNP not gearing up for decommissioning in the North Sea.

Contract going abroad. £40bn in work in the next 30 years an opportunity lost no investment etc etc.

Mara giving it large and getting free reign:

“If I were in Sturgeon’s high heels I would be down to Westminster etal and calling on work for Scottish workers” etc etc.

“It’s tragic” says Mara.

“We’ve missed the boat” says shortbread radio shortbread cutting across Chris Law SNP who was much to polite in my view trying to explain the nuts & bolts and some investment in Dundee with talks proceeding and so on.

Wish instead that he would have taken a few seconds to put the boot to the ‘Scottish labour’s’ record.

Good old Auntie. Par for the course.

OH they just said Murray wins tennis in round 2.
Ach well that’s a blessing!

China is going to be the major world player in 21st Century,

Nicola as usual is ahead of the curve,looking after Scotland

while Gardham, Torrance, Baillie and McDougall and the rest of the blairite/thacherite yoons sit on their arses slagging their country off,

these people are hurting/damaging our countries reputation with the rest of the world,

Scotland wants to go forward with China,

while these dead weights want to remain in the past shackled to a fantasy Brutish Empire.

O/T

Nicola was in Germany today, May and Boris will be a tad annoyed!

link to auswaertiges-amt.de

link to twitter.com

O/T

Just watching Misreporting Scotland. So lots of good news around the exam results….don’t be silly! Any bad news? Maybe and that will have to be investigated by SNPbaaad.

An absolute load of b******ks. Why do I keep watching this biased guff. I must be an eternal optimist believing someday they will do a reasonable and balanced piece. And the wee nyaff who is the education reporter..give me a fucking break. Need to go and lie down!

Aye SNP just pure evil don’t yah know. Knowing the Brits they probably want to start another Opium War and sell the Chinese smack and crack cocaine just for the hell of it.

Meanwhile on Britannia TV Aberdeen, Caithness has become home to no less than 170 Brocks! Grrrrrrrrrr!

O/T

Nicola’s interview during her visit to Germany

link to tagesschau.de

Owen Smith is the evil of two lessers

Having watched Theresa ” Maggie” May’s nasty tirade against Jeremy Corbyn, I am depressed that we will have at least over 4 years of this when we had the chance of to elect a government representing our voters.
Especially if this Hinckley project goes through & we have to pay exorbitant rates for our electricity even though we produce our own at “reasonable” rates.

Nana

Thanks for posting the link to the FM’S interview – I couldn’t really follow the interview because I was so amazed by the camerawork, the sound, the voiceover, the technical MAGIC on display. Up until now I thought this was the preserve of the BBC.

It all just seems to come together at the same time and there is even an English language alternative version. Mindboggling stuff.

I need to sit down and just look at the test signal for a wee rest…

Congrats on the Golden Wings- deserved a thousand times over x

@yesindyref2. 5.17pm

Had a good laugh at Leask, what a lousy piece of writing. The comments are proper quality too, showing up Leask as petulant.

We now have two journalists crying into their cereal about Twitter, and the audacity of us plebs. It’s a manufactured drama about sod all.

If there had been any serious threats, then recourse to Police is there to be used. Instead, it was banter, and some Photoshop jobs of a Weetabix with specs.

These grown men are drama queens of the highest order.

@John Jones.

Fair point (sic) re Hinkley.

However we are already paying about 50% more for OFF shore wind produced electricity than we will for Hinkley Point. And off shore will eventually be several times the projected capacity of HP (appropriate acronym). This is not to be confused with ON shore wind production, which is actually now cheaper than coal or gas produced electricity.

See previous post.
link to wingsoverscotland.com

@ Robert Peffers re. Call me Dave who wrote:

“Wish instead that he would have taken a few seconds to put the boot to the ‘Scottish labour’s’ record.”

Robert, we all know that you’ve been an SNP supporter since God was a boy, but it doesn’t give you any right to misinterpret what Call me Dave was suggesting. You gave spurious examples of terrorist actions such as blowing up pylons etc. This was not the point that our fellow contributor was making.

I watched a Jeremy Corbyn supporter put McTernan in his place on Channel 4 News by referring to his disatrous interventions in Australia and Scotland, where Labour were ‘wiped out’ ( I paraphrase). McTernan actually stayed silent. When was the last time an SNP politician, other than AS or NS actually got stuck in, verbally?

This is the point that many, like me, are fed up of. The pussy footing approach to political debate. We want SLAB’s and the Tories disgraceful records smashed to smithereens with words not actions. Unless the SNP do this, then we face a rerun of the REF. Think Blair Jenkins or any of the powder puff performances on QT and no crushing repostes on the opposition, just weak justifications being over talked by Dimblebore etc.

We have to accept that 30% of our population are too hard core Unionist to change. The remainder are there to be convinced by strong arguments made with conviction, not apologies. So please don’t obfuscate the debate on here Robert..let the Unionist try that game themselves.

Do you get it now, Robert?

OT I know, and apologise, but I’ve not seen it elsewhere. There has been a dramatic rise in applications to join the Labour party: we’ve all seen the fuss. Has anyone seen actual numbers from Scotland quoted?

Robert,
Of course they did, I myself was mistaken for a special branch officer, along with young guy who dare I say it now a Exec of Johnston press, te he fuckng He!
Anyway of course among many a political following you will get the loony who will “kick you to death” just so happens the real special branch are looking out at yoons, a dam site more than the frigin idiot who may support independence. Just remember link to m.youtube.com

Labour bollox aside, looks like Norway wont have much to do with teamGB either

link to archive.is

Scottish Fishing Federation are also going mental at their imperial master baiters for not including any Scottish Fishing rep in Brexit negotiations. All just like their The Vow shyst. When will these people learn that Scottish affairs are far better dealt with by the English? The dicks.

I mean useful idiots.

heed:

Scottish Fishing Federation are also going mental at their imperial master baiters for not including any Scottish Fishing rep in Brexit negotiations. All just like their Vow shyst.

Ah, so sad. And so very predictable.

As the old saying goes “fooled me once, your fault; fooled me twice, my fault”.

But this is just a little taster of what’s to come over Brexit. A relentless stream of bad news that even the EBC won’t be able to gloss over.

And with every item, more people finally getting the picture and one step closer to indy.

Worth reading Derek Bateman’s article on the SNP deputy leadership contenders.

link to derekbateman.scot

A great varied choice and unlike Labour no £25 fee to vote thus denying the hoi polloi a democratic say.

Epiphyta @ 8:45

Lin Quote on Chinese Humour (Youmo)

“Thoughtful humour,is based on the perception of human errors,incongruities,cant and hypocrisy,which admittedly are shared by all of us.

The comic spirit in that human understanding,which,being higher than academic intelligence,rises above the confusion and self deception of our common notions and points it finger at life’s sham,futility and follies.”

(don’t go to the barra’s on a weekday,they’re shut,however,if you are ever in Easterhouse and a hostile mob start running towards you screaming ‘Den-Toi Ya Bass’ best make a swift getaway,chances are you may have inadvertently insulted them,C’est la vie)

@Valerie
David Leask annoys me, whereas Torrance is basically nothing. I vaguely remember someone posting a year or more ago here that Leaak was a YES voter, and that’s well possible, his series “As others see us” during the Ref was very good.

But he is like “What would an expeienced hack like me know” if anyone challenges him. yet he himself is doing the right thing with twitter, he says he blocks the “ringleaders”, and manages to stay below the horizon. He should have been criticisng Torrance as a wuss, not attacking his “attackers”.

He needs to stop having such a high opinion of himself, and then maybe others would have a higher opinion of him.

@defo
Ah well, the black autos take him to a disused meat packing plant, and hang him carefully on a hook by his tanktop. Torrance whimpers “look what you’ve done”, as threads are pulled. Then in comes Jack – Jack Bauer! “You’re going to tweet” he says.

Torrance looks at Bauer. Bauer looks at Torrance. Torrance looks at Bauer (repeat). Jack hits him several times with a feather but Torrance is made of sterner stuff than that. Jack pours water over Torrance and makes him squeeze the two ends of an AAA battery. No result. Torrance glows a little. Jack pulls out his gun, puts in the gluestick and glues Torrance’s glasses to his tanktop. But our man Torrance is strong, and refuses to tweet.

Then in walks – Chloe. Chloe! With one kind of mouth-puckering complaint and a few words, Torrance is like putty and a tear falls from one glass e’e. “OK OK”, he says, “I’ll go back on Twitter”.

But meanwhile in 2044 … [cut, end of program]

Dipity Dug had a first date with her partner on Portobello
Beach.

As they first kissed, a passing friend of the partner was heard to say:

“Christ hen, whit were ye thinking about, the tide widnae take that Oot”!

The partner must be terrified as Dipity is Pro something one week and anti the same thing the next week.
Their wedding cake should maybe be made from that long life cream.

@ Capella

You may be right about these folk seeing the writing on the wall for their Grouse Moor. Others may follow.

Last year was bad for grouse numbers and this year is even worse. The poor weather has made for low breeding success and high mortality. I would imagine that no one wants to pay top dollar to come to a moor where there is nothing to shoot?.

These places often run at a loss, because they are an offset for Tax.

Lochside

I also want to see more focused and aggressive performances. The depth of talent is there and the strongest performers stand out. There can be a nervousness sometimes which is understandable- no-one in the SNP after all wants to let the team down or give the brit-nats ammunition or have a “car-crash” or whatever.

Every interview, discussion, panel, every tv appearance or radio appearance should be seen as an opportunity to sink in reality into the national consciousness.

If the union has been so great for us, why has our population flatlined for the last century? Why is our old age pension the worst in the EU. What is the value of our share of reserves in the Bank of England? What is the estimate of the shared assets of the UK? What is the value of UK debt? How much oil and gas tax has been squandered by westminster? What is the Norwegian oil fund worth?

And many, many more- point is the “deficit of £15 billion” is mentioned by every yoon every time they are on TV or radio and it sticks- they keep it simple and have the benefit of the message being repeated endlessly by the joons. So we need to dispel this shit and sink our own simplistic stats and facts in every time our reps are on air and it needs to float round cyberspace on endless tweets/posts etc. And drop it in conversation whenever we can. Then eventually it sinks in and becomes common knowledge.

There is a lot of talk about the next indyref campaign, indyref2 in 2017…. the media’s BT project fear UKOK campaign has never stopped. They are working (in the absence of proper political opposition) to hammer us everyday. The percentage of exports to rUK versus EU? If you don’t know that number by now I would bet my life and everything I own that you will know that fucking number better than you know your own pin number in 6 months time.

You’ll know it like you know your own name.

We have every advantage except the media. Westminster is sucking us out of the EU in a move that will harm to different degrees farmers, business owners and workers alike, students, EU migrants, non-EU migrants, our families who live abroad, anyone working in research, anyone working in finance, anyone who has savings or a pension, anyone who plans on living in the EU in the future and our children. We have the most right wing, profligate, irresponsible, insidious, callous government the UK has seen in modern times and the opinion polls are sitting just above 50% for indy?

Just because article 50 hasn’t been triggered and Nicola hasn’t called the damn thing doesn’t mean it isn’t on.

I get your frustration. I feel it too. A start would be honing down the strongest half dozen points to make why the UK has been bad for Scotland. And a half dozen points to make as to why Scotland can thrive. Then get to know them like we know our own pin number. Then get the public to know them like they know their own pin number.

It can be done- BT taught us that.

@dakk
They’ve obviously hungrier for medals than Team GB.

Re; DrJim@11.57pm

Careful up on that roof DrJim. We are down in SW Scotland, family hol, near Stranraer. Lots houses for sale, and old businesses like garages. Stranraer looks a bit downtrodden, the harbour area all but derelict. Must be hard for young people round here. Suspect lots of them leave. Seen some community projects, part EU funded, hmm. Nice area and very friendly people, love the gentle Scottish voices, all needs more investment, in some way.

Have spotted one or two saltires. 🙂

I “get” that the likes of Scottish militants were toxic and dangerous for the interests of Scottish Independence, but to be honest, I don’t there are many amongst us who dwell upon the issue. We are all of us entirely thankful that the SNP engages in mature modern politics. So far so good.

The problem I see is their tolerance for this thoroughly rotten propaganda regime passing itself off as broadcast media. It is this media machine which has the Home Counties convinced we are grubby little parasites thoroughly ungrateful about all the handouts we get from England.
It is the same mechanism which waters down the potency of the litany of betrayals and injustices Scotland has suffered for decades. Every controversial issue from McCrone to Brexit has the fuse taken out before the information is considered safe for the Scottish population to handle.

Right now, I have a problem with SNP watching the polls to best time its jump for Indyref2. Its not because I disagree with that, its because the capacity which Brexit has to swing us over to Independence is small change by comparison with the techtonic readjustment which would occur in Scotland’s political landscape if we woke up one morning to a new, honest media which properly addressed these grievous injustices and had thd issues properly articulated to the people whom they aggrieve. It need not be sensationalsed into Scottish propaganda rather than the current UK propaganda, the humble truth would be quite damning enough. Where are our priorities? Why not attend to matters BEFORE they are filtered and prioritised by the media? Why respect their agenda at the cost of our own?

That leaves me with 3 big issues which I need explained to me.

First is Scotland’s constitutional status in law. If Scotland was a popular republic following the Declaration of Arbroath, then why isn’t that issue of Scotland’s sovereignty at the front of our campaign? We leave Scotland’s powers at home, and seek to divorce ourselves from Westminster using only the instruments which Westminster allows us to use. Are we not missing the point here?

The second big issue is media. Scotland’s interests, from sporting events right across the spectrum to our constitutional issues are manipulated and distorted on a daily basis. Is it any wonder that half our nation is duped by this cacophony of disingenuous clap trap? It is the living embodiment of an abusive partner continually eroding the confidence and self worth of the partner they abuse. We know the mechanics of it, the cause and effect, so why is it tolerated and passively endorsed? There was an expression which came about surrounding kiddie porn that said if you looked, you were guilty. I feel a bit like that with the media. If you appear on it, you give it legitimacy.

My third concern is the deferrence to our superiors which is not compatible with the previous two paragraphs. To what extent are we an Independent sovereign country living the myth that 300 years of tradition has become the accepted reality, when constitutionally, sovereignty is bound to our people in perpetuity? Through Holyrood, we are using an instrument of Westminster to exercise the limited powers which Westminster allows us to use. This is just like Scotland’s revenue. We send our sovereignty south and rejoice at the powers delegated back to us in exactly the same way are our revenue heads south and pocket money is returned to us. It rather seems to me we are engaged in a struggle which is by and large a mere construct of our imagination. Can’t we call a summit; a National forum where our law lords, our politicians, our historians, and have our constitutional experts cut through all the bunkum and define in no uncertain terms what our constitutional situation actually is by legal definition, before we proceed any further in seeking to redefine the constitutional fudge we are living under? Why do we need Westminster to give us that which is already ours?

If the Law is on the side of an Independent Scotland, and it seems to me it is, then why do we ignore it? Every law and article agreed after that legal watershed is not competent legisation. Our Unionist brethren might not like it, but whatever followed, for better or worse, it would at least have confirmed legal legitimacy which our current constitutional arrangements merely, and erroneously, assumes.

@defo
Previously … Torrance has endured the worst torture a remarkably politically correct Jack Bauer has performed on him but has succumbed to the tender glowers of Chloe.

But meanwhile in 2044 Dr Cassandra Railly has her instructions and travels back to 2016. She runs into the room, injects Torrance and he is transported back to 2044, where he is grabbed by the 12 Tory Monkeys, who are intent on keeping the plague in power in Westminster back in 2016. She shoots Jack who says, “oh no, not again”, and quickly cauterises, binds and magically heals his fatal wound.

In 2016 David Leask reaches for his tablet and swallows it: “They’ll never force me off twitter, the cybermonkeys”. He runs off never to be seen until the next episode, muttering about Scottish Limited Liability Partnerships and Scottish connections, as others from Romania and Russia see us. Jack and Chloe dance out hand in hand, another 24 successfuly concluded. Will there be another one?

A bit actor called Dugdale wanders onto the set, says stongly and definitely: “what am I doing here, I’m not a member of the acting Union, or am I?” and wanders off again.

But the time machine operator in 2044 who happens to the the leader of the SNP from 2016 in a curious twist of plot, has a painful decision to make. Should she rescue Torrance, who is muttering repeatedly “save me SNP, save me”. She decides to hold a referendum to test public opinion, but is saved by the 12 monkeys who say in chorus “We don’t want him, send him back please, wee nippy”.

And that’s the half-season break!

@ Capella, trouble with grouse is that they can’t be reared artificially like pheasants, they get hammered by disease if the stocking levels are too high & the heather itself which they eat is periodically knocked out by heather beetle. Eagles & hen harriers are the least of their problems & as scotspine says, the weather has been inclement for chix this year. Ah well, I shall be setting aside my Purdey’s this season, what!

Having eaten grouse I would rather have a fish supper! 🙂

Epiphyta
I was suggesting we have more in common than you imagine and that sometimes so called jokes can inavertently cause offence.

No offence intended from me,others can speak for themselves.

Have a nice day.

Links

What are they hiding?
link to archive.is

Tory’s scrap a welfare policy
link to archive.is

link to electoral-reform.org.uk

For anyone who missed McTernan getting telt
link to channel4.com

Breeks

You won’t like what I have to say: I’ve read every post you’ve dropped into this thread and all of them, without exception, could have been written by David Torrance.

One long post begins “We are all of us thankful the SNP engages in mature modern politics” and then goes on to list a litany of negatives.

I don’t know what you mean by ‘modern’ but it reads like the classic con: I used to be an independence supporter but not since the SNP picked up the reins …

Do you think she is going to ride on it?

I heard that poltroon Mandelson on Radio 4 this morning pushing this same line.

All right me ould Chinas ?

Breeks
At some point, preferably from their POV, post BREXIT, Westminster will use the new(ish) Supreme Court to rule that unilateral withdrawal from the UK by Scotland would be illegal.

This would be consistent with a back bowl policy they have had ever since a similar ruse was conceived by UK and Canadian mandarins during the patriation of Canada negotiations in the 80s when such powers were instilled in the Canadian Supreme Court there. While the necessity of such powers for the required patriation remained moot, they were also aware at that time of their potential future usefulness in regard to Quebec and Scottish independence.

Whether such a ploy would play on the international stage is another matter. It has yet to be tested.

However a not completely dissimilar situation has been tested internationally since then, in the case of Kosovo, where the ICJ (UN court effectively) ruled that Kosovo’s UDI from Serbia was NOT illegal. But, cautionary note, while Kosovo has been recognised by more than half the UN member states, the UK being one of the first, it has not yet achieved the quorate required for UN membership.

The extra selling point of the Canadian/UK ploy is that the right to constitutional matters can be transferred by prior mutual agreement.

The status of agreement in Canada, and I am not up to date on this, is that Quebec has still refused to ratify the Supreme Court’s constitutional powers but more recently some Quebec leaders have verbally acknowledged the right of the Supreme Court to make constitutional rulings. Still not the same as accepting these rulings.

The status of agreement in Scotland is the inclusion of the ‘reserving’ of constitutional matters by Westminster in the Scotland Bill ’97. This was voted for in the devolution referendum. I put ‘reserving’ in apostrophes because I believe that this was the first formal acknowledgement that Westminster held any sway over Scotland’s constitutional rights. However I am pretty sure 90%+ of Scots voting in the devolution referendum were completely oblivious to that fact buried in the small print.

Personally, I think, if Scotland voted Yes and the UK said No then the UN/ICJ would rule in favour of Scotland.

So would it be advantageous to force such a ruling by the Supreme Court now, pre BREXIT/indyref2? That is a toughie.

Hard to gauge effect on the electorate. My guess would be the anger induced would be positive for indy but the added confusion negative.

From the Westminster POV they would prefer to wait till post BREXIT when they could better judge how much, or little, they had to lose by doing so. e.g. whether they at that point retained full access to the EU market.

From today’s ‘I’ newspaper

A record number of Scottish school pupils have been offered a university place on exam results day, with the majority choosing to continue their studies north of the border…

There was also a significant rise in the number of students taking and passing vocational qualifications…

Yet another SNP fuckup!

@Lochside says: 9 August, 2016 at 9:08 pm:

“Robert, we all know that you’ve been an SNP supporter since God was a boy, but it doesn’t give you any right to misinterpret what Call me Dave was suggesting.”

First of all – who appointed you as the official spokesperson for every commenter on Wings? You don’t know if, “We all know”, anything.

Secondly – what evidence do you offer in support of there actually being a God, not to mention that he was ever a boy?

” … You gave spurious examples of terrorist actions such as blowing up pylons etc. This was not the point that our fellow contributor was making.”

As to, “Spurious examples”, what spurious examples were these? I cite as examples :-

link to scottishrepublicansocialistmovement.org

link to en.wikipedia.org

link to en.wikipedia.org

link to heraldscotland.com

” … McTernan actually stayed silent. When was the last time an SNP politician, other than AS or NS actually got stuck in, verbally?”

Oh! Give me strength! I could quote you reams of such examples but:-

link to theguardian.com

Will suffice for now.

Simply because YOU get your news from such as the BBC and MSM and never hear or see the elected members of the SNP stand up for Scotland and their own principles only enforces what I am claiming. Which is that it is the Mainstream Scottish media that suppresses any examples of, (what was it you called it?), Oh! Aye! “The pussy footing approach to political debate.”

I posted a few days ago about how the claims of programmes being live is balderdash. The broadcasters all have built in delays in the broadcasts they send out. You will note that they can, “beep”, out offensive language even from so called live broadcasts. The production teams monitor everything and, in effect, are editing live broadcasts.

Note also how the BBC had Robinson claim that Salmond, “Did not answer”, only minutes after Salmond had indeed not only answered Robinson’s question but had totally rubbished him. In that case the BBC were not in control of the actual live broadcast and Salmond’s reply had gone out live. Yet, within minutes, the BBC were broadcasting their spun version that Robinson had received no answer.

Then there was the myth begun by the Andrew Neil interview of Alex Salmond. In the actual broadcast Neil askes Salmond this question, (referring to EU Legal advice), ” … and have you sought legal advice from your own Scottish government legal officers”?

This has become spun by all and sundry ever since as Salmond claiming he had received legal advice from the EU.

Now how exactly can getting legal advice from your own SG parliament’s legal officers be construed as getting legal advice from the EU parliament?

There are countless examples of elected, and supporters, of the SNP standing up for Scottish interests but it seems people like you don’t hear, see or read about them and are daft enough to do the Westminster Establishment’s propaganda work for them.

Whether this is done deliberately or just by being brainwashed by the media is a very moot point.

Perhaps you may know the answer far better than I do for I am not brainwashed. You will note also the same people also often refer to the UK of GB & NI as, “Britain”, and use the terms English, British, Great Britain and the country as mutually synonymous.

In short your claims of, “The pussy footing approach to political debate”, is the spurious claim and not what I have illustrated on numerous occasions on this forum. Yet I could detail the occasions when such as you have attacked me for doing so – and then you blithely go on doing the Westminster’s propaganda for them.

I suggest you might examine some of your own posts on this forum before I make a point of highlighting every time you do the Westminster propaganda for the UK of GB & NI for them.

Nana 8.27

Thanks for the McTernan link.

I just wish that when his failure is pointed out, that the pointer would also question why the broadcaster is even using McTernan at all.

That would make very interesting viewing.

Maybe next time!

@ Scott Finlayson Im Free, well expence,s only. But the snp will make the same mistake again in these so called Media Professionals. Tommy Sheperd advocates a bottom up approach & not a top down I wonder how this will sit with his regional orginizers & committee,s.

Mike

And they’re doing it deliberately.

@Sunniva 10:25am

“We are on our own”

“We”? Seriously? I don’t think “we” are that stupid.

The things I do for my country.

How the Herald reported the educational success of Scottish pupils.

link to archive.is

As for the Scotsman –

I quote from their SNPbad, jock-cringing leader

link to archive.is

<b"It would also be an error to take the results alone as evidence of a more educated population beginning to emerge. Those who have attained grades which gain them places in further education have a long way to go before their contribution to society can be considered any more significant than that of previous generations."

There are already a few Chinese oil companies operating in our North Sea. But wait there is now oil left and what is left is worthless and there is none left.

Article from recent Upstream International Oil & Gas Newspaper.

Anamaria Deduleasa
02 August 2016 13:21 GMT
Supermajor BP has competed construction work at its West of Shetland Clair Ridge development in the UK North Sea, taking the project another step closer to first production.
BP announced the milestone at the delayed twin-platform, located 75 kilometres west of Shetland, on Tuesday on social media.

Final hook-up and commissioning are now expected to follow, with first oil anticipated towards the end of 2017.

Clair Ridge, the second phase of development at Clair, was originally expected on stream this year. However, delays to construction of the DP modules pushed back production by more than a year at the Block 206/8 project.

The development, owned by co-venture partners, BP, ConocoPhillips, Chevron and Shell, will produce an estimated 640 million barrels of oil over a 40-year period, with peak production expected to reach rates of up to 120,000 barrels per day of oil, according to BP.

At today’s oil price of $45 (£34) that’s £4.08 million pounds a day or £1.5 billion pounds a year.

That’s only one field and it’s due to last for 40 years.

Not what the MSM wants to report.

Maggie May would love to push the A50 nuclear button today if she could for that would deny the SG time to build indy support. Maggie May knows IndyRef#2 is coming and knows she can’t stop it (regardless of the utter bluster that emanates from London) and she would rather it was sooner than later. Defeat indy twice in a few years would kick it into the long, long grass for decades. That’s what Maggie May would love to happen. But she can’t press the A50 nuclear button just yet – has to have a protracted negotiation to get as good an exit ‘deal’ as possible for the UK as she can. (Not going to happen – the Euro community don’t want other nations getting ideas).

But the A50 button will be pressed – probably early next year. We’re in the phoney war right now for IndyRef#2. Everyone but everyone knows it. You can already observe the colonial media cranking up the propaganda stakes (big jessie flouncers notwhitstanding.

It’s all quiet on the indy front – keeping the powder dry, so to speak. But when that A50 nuclear button is finally pressed then this country will be like nothing anyone has ever seen. IndyRef#1 will look like a wee Sunday afternoon picnic compared to what is coming. And I am talking here of what is coming from the YES side. Oh yes, BT2 won’t have seen anything like what is about to overwhelm them. And no amount of BritNat colonial media propaganda will save them.

You heard it here first…

link to businessforscotland.co.uk

“Scottish Greens are behind plans drawn up under the banner of Green Yes2 to launch a second campaign for independence this autumn.

Leaflets, posters and social media graphics are to be deployed which focus on the democratic deficit existing in the UK and the lack of stability Britain faces following the Brexit vote.”

Aye, the metaphorical claymores are coming out of the thatch and getting polished up.

Ah bit haud oan, dae yoan Chinese huv freemasonurrae? Bae cuz, thuv nae weiy ah daein onnaehin, withoot thoan toamfoolurry.

Indy2 will come, the blood pressure is rising. The reasons are growing bigger, our democratic deficit is increasing. It must happen and we need to be prepared.

But hey folks, we have another very important election to go through and that is in May, the Council elections.

We really need to concentrate on that, how we are to ensure an accurate and democratic process. The Councils count the votes, so we really need to somehow make sure they are not fiddled with.

They have form, postal votes etc. Binning votes and more. They will be aided by the Uk agents, they will try and deny us our rights. Then there is the UKOK propaganda machine on top.

We need a tsunami to make very sure we win everywhere we can.
So heads together and let us ensure we do it, big time.

galamcennalath

Thanks for correcting a particularly bad apostrophe usage.

Your priority order is probably about right as well.

galamcennalath says:

“Scottish Greens are behind plans drawn up under the banner of Green Yes2 to launch a second campaign for independence this autumn.”

Don’t forget Scottish CND are already supporting indy as well

Robert
“Scotland’s original natural habitat was The Great Caledonian Forest and the Highlands and Southern Uplands were proportionately far more densely populated than they are today.”

Like many I suspect, I was already aware of this to an extent. However, last year, working on a seemingly unrelated project the magnitude of just how anomalous the depopulation of Scotland’s Highlands is, was brought home to me from a rather surprising source.

The project was in regard to on shore wind power generation and comparison between countries.

For such a study, topography is a rather important consideration.

In the case of Germany, it was noted that, like the UK, there is a clear topological difference between North and South, but in Germany’s case the highland region is in the South. The following maps show this and the line I chose to delineate the analysis. The RH map shows wind farm deployment and may be ignored for present purposes. South of the line, the German topography is very similar to the Highlands of Scotland, (with even higher mountains in the far South), North of the line, the topography is mostly Lowlands, like the Scottish Lowlands or most of England.

link to i51.photobucket.com

The Northern area was just under 74 thousand sq. miles with a population of just over 45 million. The Southern area was just over 64 thousand sq. miles with a population of 35.6 million.

The population density of the German highlands is only marginally less than that in the German Lowlands. Compare and contrast to the Scottish Highlands v Lowlands.

Now, I am well aware that a knee jerk Yoon response would be to point out that the German highlands are a good bit further South than the Scottish Highlands, however a cursory glance at meteorological data will inform you that due to the Continental Climate conditions which pertain there, as opposed to the Maritime conditions in Scotland, the Winter is generally much harsher in the German highlands.

mike cassidy said at 11:10 am:-

“The things I do for my country.

How the Herald reported the educational success of Scottish pupils.

link to archive.is

As for the Scotsman –

I quote from their SNPbad, jock-cringing leader

link to archive.is ”

These Scottish rags are paying a heavy price for aligning themselves with the North Britain Labour and Tory Parties.

@Robert Peffers: “Scotland was not a republic after the Declaration of Arbroath.”

Thanks Robert, I couldn’t be bothered refuting the error the other poster made.

You are correct that Scotland was not a Republic after the Declaration of Arbroath, I used a poor turn of phrase, but what I meant was that the Declaration of Arbroath enshrined sovereignty upon the people. Supreme power lying with the people under an appointed figurehead or monarch is one definition of what a republic is. I don’t think that a formal republic was ever the intention when the Declaration was made, but that is the reason why the Declaration of Arbroath is often quoted as the essence of modern Republics. 14th Century Scotland had embraced republican principles before there was ever a republican concept.

My other point, equally badly made, was that no matter how the population percieves our sovereign status, we are ignoring laws which clearly define and articulate that sovereign status. As I understand it, a law does not cease to exist just because people choose to ignore it. When the law stipulates one thing, but the population chooses a divergent path, then sooner or later, for the sake of legitimacy, the population must come back to the legal principle, because they act outside the law until they do.

In essence, both Westminster and Holyrood could be declared to exist in defiance of, or outside of Scots law, and by definition, “outlaw” parliaments.

The point I am trying to make is that this issue is not open for debate, nor can it altered by democratic expression. Either we are sovereign people and Westminster routinely exceeds it authority to govern us, or the Scots law, and Declaration of Arbroath was repealed. That is the awkward truth of the matter, it is one state which exists and not the other, and it isn’t a choice.

To look at it another way, suppose Scotland votes in favour of Independence next referendum, we will have a truly sovereign Scottish Parliament, but will it respect the popular sovereignty of the Scottish people? Or will it consider itself to be sovereign over us in similar fashion to current day Westminster? It must be the former, surely, because the latter is unthinkable. But the awkward reality of that situation will require the Scottish parliament to recognise its inferiority to our popular sovereignty, but then, that very act of recognition should already exist. But it doesn’t. Our Holyrood parliament swears fealty to the Queen, and it really ought not to. A true Scottish parliament can only swear fealty to the people of Scotland.

Do you see? At some point our Scottish parliament MUST start to respect and reconnect with the principles of Scots Law, and that begs the rather awkward question of why it isn’t aleady doing so.

It isn’t waffle.

The Declaration of Arbroath and 1689 Claim of Right are articles of Scottish law which enshrine sovereignty with the people of Scotland, and makes us distinct from the English, who maintain sovereignty comes from god, and leaves its population as subjects, as in subject to that sovereignty. If we observe the principles of Scots law, we are not, and cannot be subjects to that top down sovereignty, because it is incompatible with our bottom up popular sovereignty. That isn’t waffle, it is irrefutable fact. You cannot have two sources for the same unique commodity.

Holyrood was set up by Westminter, draws its authority from Westminster, and swears an oath of fealty to Westminster and the sovereign queen of England. By recognising a superior, it acts as a subjugated parliament. It respects itself as “Her Majesty’s Government”, and it bends to the will of Westminster, and endorses those aspects of Scottish government which are deemed to be reserved matters. It dresses up as a parliament, but in essence, Holyrood is a super committee which exists in its entirety beneath Westminsters unbrella.

This situation is not compatible with Scottish constitutional law. We Scots are sovereign citizens living in a society which treats us as subjects to some other and greater sovereignty. We cannot be both sovereign citizens and subjects simultaneously.

You claim that’s unproven Grouse Beater, but the proof is right there in the Declaration of Arbroath, the 1689 Claim of Right, and that proof is brought right up to modern date as recognised by the UK’s Supreme Court in 2011. Scottish sovereignty rests with the people, but our Holyrood legislature, and indeed our wider Scottish society, (including resident Grouse Beaters), by accident, design, familiarity or expediency, seems only to respect the top down sovereignty of Westminster, and views our popular Scottish sovereignty with disdain and illegitimacy.

Take a different perspective. Is it any wonder that Westminster sees Scottish Independence as seditious rebellion when the UK Parliament is built upon the English version of sovereignty, which comes from God, through the sacred Monarch, into the hands of parliament, and through its laws, the population is subjugated. It has no platfrom from where to stand and recognise Scotland’s popular sovereignty. A functional Westminster parliament REQUIRES the Kingdoms of Scotland and England to have been extinguished by the Act of Union, because the issue of Scotlands popular sovereignty is not in any way compatible with the English / UK Parliamentary model. Quite literally, they ignore Scotlands sovereignty hoping it will go away.

Westminster, the UK parliament, is a fudge, and for 300 years that fudge has only worked by drawing the teeth and claws from Scotlands sovereign people. Well I want my sovereignty recognised, so as far as I’m concerned the fudge has to go. What confuses me is why we throw ourselves upon democracy to bring this change about. Democracy has no more power to alter the circumstances we find ourselves in than Westminsters subjugation. Our sovereign birthright trumps our democratic will to abdicate our own sovereignty in just the same way it confounds Westminsters right to govern us.

You’ll have to explain what you mean by false premise, and my various wanderings because I just don’t know what you’re referring to.

Then again don’t trouble yourself. I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t be anything constructive anyway.

Breeks: “I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t be anything constructive anyway.”

The muddled assertions are yours to justify. What does this mean?:

“Democracy has no more power to alter the circumstances we find ourselves in than Westminsters subjugation.”

And this jumbled final statement?:

“Our sovereign birthright trumps our democratic will to abdicate our own sovereignty in just the same way it confounds Westminsters right to govern us.

There’s something struggling to get out of that literary morass but I’m damned if I know what it is. You’re trying to say something without actually saying it.

Breeks “So rather than criticise, why don’t you do something constructive and clarify the issue for me?”

I’ve no intention of spending time trying to interpret the gobbledygook in you’re last post.

I suggest you lay down a question at the start of your (convoluted) diatribes, such as, “Is the government doing enough to achieve so-and-so?” rather than beginning with a condemnation and then a torrent of words trying to sound knowledgeable.

Breeks: “How typically SNP.”

There you go – my suspicions confirmed.

Took a while to tease it out of all that guff.