And now for something serious
Posted on
September 25, 2014 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
More information here. Wings Over Scotland endorses (and indeed, may well become actively involved with) this event or product.
Donated with pleasure – come on folks, this is what we need!
I hope you’re one of the “three people”, Stu.
So just a thousand of us donating a tenner?
@ Paula Rose, 7:07pm
Evening – it’s totally do-able – at least, getting it going is!
Betty Boop honey – I want the agony Aunt half hour – first up a darling.
Loved their videos, so only righty donated, fingers crossed…
@ Paula Rose, 7.23pm
Betty Boop honey – I want the agony Aunt half hour – first up a darling.
I’ll look forward to seeing that! I might be first in line 🙂
Waa hey – the fund’s on it’s way already. Bet we’ll be at the first thousand in 15 minutes.
That’s a challenge, Wingers, by the way 🙂
Here we go…
As someone once said:
‘Hing oan tae yer baws…an if ye dinna hae baws, hing oan tae sumbdy else’s…’
I see Derek Bateman is looking to pull something together too. I do hope they all don’t end up as small entities rather than one or two larger ones. Can someone fill me in on who these guys are? I may be living under a rock.
Cmon lads n lasses £528 at the moment £10.000 the power of Wings wont take long lads,Git tae work.
I get paid tomorrow. We got bought out of our bonus scheme and with the tiny bit the Irish government has left me after tax I have a bit to wings, a bit to this and join the snp (again).
Also, pay for wife’s 40th, a trip to ypres, the family holiday next year and a shitload of new camping and trekking gear. Guess what I’m paying for first….
Donated.
Good on them for giving it a go.
They should have asked really. Wingers could be the Lender of Last Resort!
Jack and James need to get in touch with Karyn and Mark at @_FreedomTV if they haven’t already. They’ve almost reached their target. Needs a focused approach here, no point splitting the cash over several channels.
@ Cath Maguire, 7:36pm
These guys, Jack Foster and James Devoy, kept us amused for a couple of months with their online news bulletin called “Dateline Scotland”.
You’ll find it on Youtube. Very funny.
Now they want to do it for real, fill the gaping hole where the news should be.
Well done lads. Onwards and upwards. Donation sent!
I thought that my bank account would be spared for a few months. Clearly I was wrong!
This is precisely the sort of enterprise that Scotland needs in the coming years. We may be unique among the nations of Europe in having no news service of our own.
My best wishes to all involved. I’ll see you at the payment page.
Got it wrong, they’ve already got over £1000. 🙂
It’s a fake. There are not ginger. Ergo, they can’t be Scots. 🙂
If they need a French correspondant in Paris, I can volunteer. I already own a French press card.
@Cath Maguire you need to see Dateline Scotland Cath lookin Archive for links, they kept us entertained with alternative news broadcasts a must see.
Done. The first step to undermine and get rid of those government lackeys at PQ
Where will it be broadcast? Satellite?
Now now Ian B ladies present & Paula Rose will get excited
I wonder if the Weirs will lob in a bob or two…
Thanks @Betty Boop and @Ronnie
Donation made, let’s do this.
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Donated with pleasure. Hope this happens
@Cath Maguire, 7:58pm
All 7 Dateline Scotland episodes on Youtube at the following link:
link to bit.ly
Are we talking free from advertising control? Or better yet, free from advertising altogether?
that’s me finished with alias as well no more liquidlenny or jingly jangly 🙂
Yeah lets do this, will speak to my pal up in Aberdeen and see how much he is wanting me to lob in on his behalf as he is an auld luddite, will put in both our donations at same time, then there is the one for wings, michty me its getting expensive being a cyber nat 🙂
McV
The only way to be free of advertising would be subscription, but that would basically limit the audience to those that support the idea in the first place. If the aim is to get to as wide an audience as possible, I would guess advertising would have to be part of it.
But we already know those that wouldn`t be acceptable.
Jack also produced the feature length documentary ‘Scotland Yet’ and the ‘Fear Factor’ short films (with Chris Silver)
All excellent.
@Stu @Jack Foster @Morag
I’ll donate the minute they get rid of that appalling grocer’s apostrophe on the appeal site’s headline…
Need to have SOME confidence in the editorial ability!
Will need to check by bank account tomorrow see how much/little is there but sounds like a great idea.
Donated a Tenner from me a State Pensioner. Money well spent.
Uh. Given my tithe to those guys too. Incredible. It started today, they already have almost £2,000. If it continues like this, that’s not £10,000 bur £100,000 they will collect at the end.
I’ll send something!
@ Alex Grant – well done lads? Buffoon, the lassies are in charge now.
take my money – take all of it !
Just chucked a few pennies their way and it’s already almost £2,500! What’s the betting it will have gone over its target by midnight – we’ve done it before!
I’m in! The truth will set us free. EBC won’t that’s not their remit.
Donation made.
@kininvie –
WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
Donated its just over £3500.
Thats 10 quid. Would love to give more but as of right now im between jobs!
I do get the feeling everyone understands how important this is so im confident the 10,000 needed will be raised in no time.
Probably one of the most necessary things to do in order to progress our nation!
Rev hasn’t even given this post the usual Twitter plug…
Donation made-they’re up to £3709 already. Brilliant start.
£ 3.384 its moving at some pace keep it coming people.
Can I audition for weatherman?
‘It’s gonny be pure pishin where you are. And you. And you…’
This one will have to wait until pay day, I’m afraid, but that’s only ’til Monday. I wonder if the target will have been met before then?
You can have my licence fee.
£4554…
This is exciting, eh?
Would love to see these guys do a Jon Stewart type “Daily Show”, exposing the bias and corruption at the heart of the media. Jon Stewart is a major thorn in the side of Fox News in particular, the Dateline team could easily do the job if given a large enough platform.
No disagreement with need for alternative media….however, would like to know where Wings intends to go since it is my preference for donations first and foremost. But would also like to see a degree of co-ordination between all the alternative media to include Wings, Wee Ginger Dug, Bateman, Bella Caledonia and Newsnet. Surely all coming together as one under one umbrella will strengthen the outcome and bring together our most incisive, intelligent and investigative journos to provide a media which can rival and challenge the mainstream?
Excellent idea and I hope it gets the backing it deserves. However, I think it’s pretty clear that the people we need to reach, won’t go to the internet for their info, instead they need to be drip fed their info through the telly and daily papers.
Take the bull by the horns, fund an independent TV, radio and newspaper network. It will never be more profitable for someone to start it in Scotland than now.
@ Ian Brotherhood, 8:42pm
Can I audition for weatherman?
So, you want the easy job? 🙂
Ian Sisterhood honey – do I detect a wee bit of obscure wit – the weathermen?
Betty honey – shall we let the boys know that we are the directors?
About £5,000 right now.
They can start hire the guys just right away 🙂
Come on folks… get Tweeting this… get donating and get this done before midnight.
I’m having a night in and the money I would have otherwise emptied into the Yesbar toilet has been donated. :o)
@ Hector, 8:44pm
Co-ordination and co-operation is the way forward for everyone if alternative media is to achieve anything worthwhile.
[…] Over at Wings Over Scotland the site endorsed appeal for ‘Broadcast News for Scotland’. A crowd funding initiative to set up an independent broadcast news channel. I believe Derek Bateman is also considering something similar. The more the merrier as far as I’m concerned. Full story here. […]
Why are some people talking about advertizing thats down to the project management as with editorial control ,we know what they are capable of, just get behind & support them Full Tilt.
@ Paula Rose, 8:47pm
Betty honey – shall we let the boys know that we are the directors?
Right on, PR 🙂
As I understand it, D Bateman wants to do digital radio and these guys want to do TV.
I know just as little as everyone else so a bit more info would be helpful.
A daily news programme on an evening or spread over the day?
Or is it a news programme of say 60 min from (guessing now) 9.00 – 10.00 pm.
Every journey starts with the first step…
I’ve donated. 🙂
@Ian Brotherhood
Only if you do it in drag as a weathergirl.
Donated. Is there a way to set up a monthly direct debit or will that ability come along if after 3 months we’ve got this going? I’ll happily give the licence fee equivalent.
I hope (and beg) Briony is on board – she’s gorgeous 😉
@ Muscleguy, 8:53pm
@ Ian Brotherhood. Only if you do it in drag as a weathergirl.
Central casting calling Paula Rose….
Donation made.
Fantastic news would be willing to donate.
Lost count of how many times in a tweet I mentioned we have no voice in MSM
Cath McRorie
Done. This could be the start of something special (and essential) although 10k is surely a drop in the ocean to what’s required. Got to start somewhere though, and it looks like here.
Done it, donated, it’s over £5000 already! Just ordered a load of 45 t-shirts and badges ready for the Hope over Fear rally on the 12th. Cant’t wait!
There is a certain flippancy in the above remarks which is irking me somewhat.
I’ve been studying Schafernaker, Batty, Quinan, Fish etc for decades, and demand that y’all take this seriously.
Not seen this posted here yet:
link to news.stv.tv
Some good news and another nail in the Scotsmans coffin. I’m amazed they managed to scrape up the cash.
Or even Can’t wait.
Who or What is Indygogo?
Just bunged them some money too. They might well be up to their goal by the end of the night at this rate.
@Ian Brotherhood
Didn’t Schafernaker give a BBC News presenter the finger, I can see you doing that.
Done!
@James123 –
If Paula Rose has asked you to be her straight-man then you’re doing a fine job of it.
She should be along any second…
@Aspen
Indiegogo are a crowdfunding site, where projects/products etc pitch for money. You have to state a target and a timeframe. If you do not reach it then the donors get their money back.
It’s an established player in the crowdfunding market and was much used to raise funds by individual Yes groups during the referendum. You can donate with confidence.
Donated.. now just over 6K.. fantastic stuff 🙂
Donated.. Now just over 6K. fantastic stuff folks 🙂
CRAIGthePICT… just to clarify, I believe that the £10K is to hire a team to work with the extensive resources and contacts in the Yes movement for the next 3 months, to gather investors for the project.
The market is there, it is a necessary venture and my belief is (as long as I am reading this correctly) that it will work brilliantly.
Bring it on. 🙂
@Ian Brotherhood
link to tinyurl.com
Natasha
Hoping the” Hope over Fear rally” is really big.
Great idea. Have just made a donation.
I’m up for this!
Funny or not, great to see them back – just donated 🙂
Ian honey – you can do the weather where you are xx
Thank you
@James123 –
Unless I’m mistaken that was Simon McCoy he was fingering, and it couldn’t happen to a nicer chap.
There seem to be a lot more Jedi have returned than called for in the original script.
Wee donation made, hope this turns big
A bit skint coming back from summer hols but donated anyway. It needs to happen. Two things come to mind about small acorns flourishing and all that. Glasgow-based The Drum is now quite an excellent business (now with a London office) with an Independence supporting founder who pretty much started from scratch.
link to thedrum.com
Also it brings to mind TYT (The Young Turks) again started with nothing but now has a massive online and digital radio presence.
link to tytnetwork.com
This can be done successfully with the right business model and tone. But as others have said we can’t have separate fledgling networks pulling in different directions at once and ending up being small splinters. A cohesive strategy between all the players (Bateman, Newsnet, Dateline, bloggers and contributers) is needed even if it means merging teams, ideas and resources.
Also I think the Scots Independent newspaper needs to be seriously looked at in growth and expansion terms, I think its subscription only at present with an really basic website and not very active facebook page.
link to scotsindependent.org
One thing’s for sure the Independence movement has brought together some amazingly talented people. There is lots of work to be done but it’s pretty bloody exciting too 🙂
Wee donation made, not as much as I’d like but I’m not as rich as I’d like. Really hope it’s a massive success.
Great idea.
The Jon Stewart Show has tremendous freedom to say what it wants in the way it wants because it isn’t the product of a US major broadcaster, and in the USA, freedom of speech is enshrined in the Constitution. (He also has a brilliant team of gifted writers.) The downside in the USA is the proliferation of fat, drug addled, loud-mouthed, lying, neo-fascist shock jocks who abuse that liberty.
Maybe we need a shock Jock show of our own who speaks verifiable facts and tells the sons of bitches to go…
Just for the record, that’s it through 8k.
Donated .
So the guys above for TV
Derek Bateman and Newsnet for radio
Kendo plus for a weekly iScot magazine/paper
Feels as if we’re moving forward !
@ Muscleguy
I thought that for most (maybe even all) Indiegogo projects, if the target is not reached, whatever money is raised does still go to the project. Generation Yes, for instance, didn’t meet their target but were still able to produce some campaign materials. I think that’s one of its advantages over things like Kickstarter, where donations are really just pledges and only collected once the target is attained.
Good idea.
I see Scotland has dropped off the news radar in London. No mention in tonight’s London Evening Standard that I read on the underground train whilst on holiday. They think we are back in our box but we won’t be.
Crikey, went out for a meal and come back to this. Just as well I’ve some dosh left after the nosh!
Donation sent.
What a feeling best £50 ever spent only wish it could be more.
As a poor man waiting for pay day so can join the SNP and donate to this its now sitting at £8,756 @ 21.36pm
Molly. I feel the same. We know that the MSM tipped the balance in that referendum. This is not the time to get angry… its’ time to get even. 🙂
Mythical new powers for Scotland have yet to be brought forward, for discussion between political parties in Scotland and any, “relevant groups or individuals within Scotland”. The UK Government appointed Lord Smith is Heading a Commission aiming to get agreement between the SNP, Scottish Labour, the Scottish Liberal Democrats, Scottish Conservatives and Scottish Greens on the way forward by 30 November 2014. Each of the 5 main political parties is to be asked to nominate two representatives to take part in cross-party talks.
link to caltonjock.com
Got their £10,000 – Weel done, ye a’
It just past £10,000 !
Brilliant.
Just passed the £10,000 now.
60 days?! Demolished then
Are my eyes playing tricks? They’ve raised the sum already?!?
Yes! 10k already.
Christ, it made the $10,000 target already!
My small contribution in,but I suppose it all counts. Nearly there already,but I guess you will need more,I’m sure the wingers will see you get it,good luck. Its not an easy thing to get off the ground I’m sure.
@ A N Surgent Hope over Fear rally – me too, are you going to it? Desperate to get Tommy’s autograph!
done
There is a massive gap in the market for this. This needs to happen no question. Since last week I have not watched BBC, ITV or Sky news.
I believe the next generation of Scottish entrepreneurs may just restore my pride in my country.
I cannot thank you enough.
You will have the shirt off my back if that is what it takes for Scotland to have a voice.
Good grief, over £10,000 already in less than 3 hours. Finances totally fcuked at the moment, if I get them sorted I’ll give later.
I enjoyed the format, kind of real and very funny, good boost in the last couple of weeks. Defo want to see more.
One week after the ref, and we’re already on our way to Indy Ref 2, stronger than ever. Wow. Excuse language, but starkly fucking amazing.
Like everything at this time we need to come together and work as one.
The pro-indy people have to work together, members of different political parties and with differing political views (except on independence of course) have to work together.
The massive number of Yes/independence/45% facebook pages, need to do something to amalgamate so we are not scattered across 50 different pages trying to coordinate different projects (i think i’ve liked about 50 pages in the last week.)
And so the media sources need to work together. I don’t want to lose any of them as individual site, but a coordinate effort, particularly on projects like this.
Also, why stop at a radio show or news program?
Get a full bloody channel. Limmy, Frankie and Russell Brand can run the comedy FFS
Wooooo… People Power!
How about we now target £20,000… I say this because, the stronger financial backup we get at this inception stage will provide a much better likelyhood and greater/faster success of the project.
From little acorns do Oak’s grow… but from bigger Acorns do you get monster Oak’s. :o)
£10734 at the mo!
Done – and it’s done! way to go 🙂
Natasha
Yip sure am, bit of a journey by bus from my wee west fife village, but its a great way to show that we are still here and are not going away.
Congrats to those who donated already, it’s passing £11K, can’t wait to see what comes of this. Really hope that they do get together with the others and get a long term plan going utilizing each of their strengths.
Bloody marvelous!
Its just getting shared around, so I’m sure there will be more 🙂 Folk are amazing! Free the Unicorn!!
£20 donated a few minutes ago.
@muscleguy With Indigogo there’s a flexible choice, which means even if the goal isn’t reached you keep what you raise. Which doesn’t matter in this case, they’re blasting passed the £10k goal, at £11500 now and with 60 days to go..who knows 🙂
We are going to need a bigger boat.
The power of Scotland!
Are we feart yet? Aye right!
Well done everyone.
£11.465 awe you,s that hiv assigned yourselves jobs git the pit boots oon yer at the coal face,Ian B you better start practicing the Storms & Hurricane sequence.
Donation made.
I thought Scotland died on Black Friday.
I was wrong.
This is great news. Now at 11k.
If I grew to totally despise one thing during the referendum, it is the lying, cheating, manipulative, anti-Scottish BBC. I don’t think I am alone.
Scotland needs this project to succeed sooooo much.
This really feels like an unstoppable movement now. The YES campaign never stopped.
They absolutely require a slightly unkempt correspondent of advanced age and uncontrolable beard to give gravitas to the pensioner’s bulletin… Now glancing in the mirror! 🙂
O/T Former General secretary of the Labour Party in Scotland, Tommy Sheppard, gives his reasons for joining the SNP.
link to bellacaledonia.org.uk
Well how fantastic is that.
Perhaps Mr Joyce would like to chip in with taxpayers dosh..
link to twitter.com
If you want something done properly – ask Wings 😉
Bunged in a few bob. Target already smashed!
I’m happy to make the tea 🙂
Jeesh that was bloody fast! Donated as they were just below the target, while blabbing away to family, and now they are well over!
Less than a week after the vote and already we have picked ourselves up, dusted ourselves down and now marching on with a bloodied nose and a fire in our bellies. I LOVE being Scottish!
Now…how do we buy our own channel then? XD
Just made my contribution, it’s over 12000 now
Contribution made with pleasure
Well done guys and all the wingers we need to unite and have independence as the one common number one denominator. All for one and one for all.
When we achieve our independence then we can revert back to our own individual preferences in our own parliament.
We must also get the corrupt and Westminster mouthpiece to either become honest and even handed (can’t see it) or get shot of them.
PLEASE CHECK.OUT NEWSNET SCOTLANDS PETITION TO HAVE EBC SCOTLAND PUT UNDER THE SCOTTISH PARLIAMENT. VERY VERY IMPORTANT MOVE.
Hi Boorach, how’s things?
We’re not done yet, I’ve got my war chest ready.. 😉
That was speedy. 🙂
My small contribution donated with the greatest of pleasure!
There is definitely something in the air. Can you feel it? More tangible than before 18/9 even. I am so bloody excited and (dare I say it) effing proud!
And, can I just say to Lenny Hartley – formerly ‘Liquid Lenny’ – (at 8.14 pm) – I’m with you 100%, bro – those who can (and I know that for various reasons that won’t apply to everybody) should consider dropping their aliases and come out of the closet – what have you got to lose, folks?
I’m not Scottish but followed the referendum coverage and found the BBC (and general media) bias nauseating.
Have contributed and hope others will to. No democracy worth the name can flourish in these Islands with the established media we currently have.
The speed that amount of money was raised has got to be some kind of record. Amazing.
The SNP should promote this new TV station.
After all, Scottish Labour and BBC Scotland are an item.
BBC Scotland pushes out any shit that Scottish Labour tells it to put out to the Scottish public.
great to see the target has been reached in a couple of hours not a couple of months.
Agree with bigeffindavie – get a full radio and TV channel, a daily/weekly newspaper and link all the facebook pages, blogs etc. – not all by tomorrow morning of course . Lunchtime will do! Joking apart I agree an Indy news organization is essential and am happy to see the first steps being taken.
At risk of seeming repetitive – the irish independence movement achieved the most when the people were united – go forward together
In the meantime you might like to look at the fallout of the No vote
link to eurofree3.wordpress.com
Papadox,
Did you mean this petition on NewsnetScotland to get broadcasting devolved to Scotland?
link to thepetitionsite.com
Please, folks, it is important to make the strongest point possible by signing this petition. Every single signature helps. Now at just over 24,000, and counting.
I am feeling much more optimistic. I was getting all depressed again today, thinking of the might of the BBC, new war in Syria, the stranglehold the banks have on us, a week since Black Friday….. but we Scots are very creative and always lead the world in invention and creativity. I am sure this can be a great success and will hopefully take off: I have absolutely confidence in these fellows, and I am so glad that everyone is up for the fight and now seems to think that 18 September was actually the FIRST day of the campaign for an independent Scotland!
Donation made. We really, really need this.
Fantastic response, they have already smashed the goal.
@Ian
Must have been a brainfart – I could have sworn I saw an it’s in there. Anyway, now donated…..
@Marcia …
Yes, exactly what I was thinking, I scanned the London Evening Standard all of this week and noticed nothing on Scotland now. The chippy Jocks are back in the box or so it would seem. We’re okay to be ignored again, now back to proper news such affordable housing (laugh) and Boris’s garden bridge over the Thames (which we will help pay for of course).
Lol,we’re a fund-raising machine,so sick how fast these happen.
Mony a mickle makes a muckle,right?
Shouldn’t we contact someone like paddypower, to get some odds on it reaching 50k by the morning?
Worth every penny, so we get proper news.
just a point, one thing they could do is, to do proper European coverage. It is truly shocking how little coverage of European events is given by the London and pseudo scottish broadcaster. Only Eorpa on BBC ALBA seems to know that Europe exists.
@kininvie –
You weren’t seeing things – it was there, (or, rather ‘it’s’ was there) but approx five minutes after you posted your comment it had been fixed!
Robert Louis says:
“If I grew to totally despise one thing during the referendum, it is the lying, cheating, manipulative, anti-Scottish BBC. I don’t think I am alone.”
You are not alone. They behaved absolutely abysmally. They deserve to be consigned to history.
Just donated. 14k plus. Let’s give them some real competition!
I can just see it:
‘And now over to the weather where you are with the lovely Paula Rose’
ot biasbbc talking about biasbbc on scotland2014 now
can they get through without mentioning wings?
That’s my bit done and it’s up to £15k now! 🙂
£15K 😀
I saw a link to the American journalist who was over in Scotland on here earlier. I heard his first interview on the radio. Does anyone have a link to the newer one?
This is exactly what we need, but we all need to speak together – all the pro Indy blogs/broadcasters for a major linkup/coalition of these.
Don’t worry if you have no money, just donate (of course, if you wish) what we can afford. There are poorer than me and richer than me and 45% of us aka 1.6million are a heck of a lot of folk.
Let’s push on and beat the system!
Mike Small tearing BBC goon a new one on Scotland 2014. Let’s do this… to coin a phrase.
@muttley79
From about 28 mins in. Just listened to it and it’s very good.
link to directory.libsyn.com
@ Bob Sinclair – Will Paula Rose have to take lessons in flowing hand actions when it comes to describing a shower over Auchenshoogle? Will she need an Irn Bru crate to stand on or will high heels suffice? Panting somewhat. 🙂
@ Bob Sinclair – Will Paula Rose have to take lessons in flowing hand actions when it comes to describing a shower over Auchenshoogle? Will she need an Irn Bru crate to stand on or will high heels suffice? Panting somewhat. 🙂
@Nana Smith
Cheers.
Cash gladly given. You guys rock!
Myself and my beautiful wife have decided to take the plunge and will be joining the SNP tomorrow.
Cash gladly given. You guys rock!
Myself and my beautiful wife have decided to take the plunge and will be joining the SNP tomorrow.
And dont forget the Wording on the Indygogo crowd fund
WOS endorses, ( and may well become actively involved with) this event & product. a wee bit criptic but Rev has somthing up his sleave A Broadcast Slot WOS Live, (me thinks) Keep it up people, the cash wont go to waste.
A bit late tonight but just contributed woohoo nearly £16.000
Meanwhile, in other news;
Lib Dem devolution move:
Scottish Liberal Democrat leader, Willie Rennie, has appointed two representatives to Lord Smith’s commission on further devolution to Holyrood.
The party will be represented by former Scottish secretary Michael Moore and Tavish Scott, the former leader of the party in Scotland.
The Conservatives have asked former party leader Annabel Goldie and Professor Adam Tompkins to serve on the commission.
All five political parties in the Scottish Parliament have been asked to participate. Deputy first minister, Nicola Sturgeon, has confirmed that the SNP will take part, although the party continues to support independence.
We don’t stop till the Journey ends…
link to youtube.com
🙂
Robert Louis says:
…one thing they could do is, to do proper European coverage. It is truly shocking how little coverage of European events is given by the London and pseudo scottish broadcaster. Only Eorpa on BBC ALBA seems to know that Europe exists.
Germany is very, very Scotland friendly. I could do reports about these folks:
link to kiltsandmore.com
link to bagev.de German
link to highlandgames-germany.de
link to frankfurt-scd-club.org (In English)
And that is just the tip of the iceberg.. 🙂
I was suggesting that Ian Brotherhood would be the weatherman, but darlings – you have given me so many ideas, I could lay the map on the floor and describe the weather under my heel!
People keep mentioning the Airdrie Building Society, but a put off for many will be their charges.
Every 15p and 30p charge will be a killer to those like me who have many DD’s and use their Debit Cards for on-line shopping etc. or just day to day stuff (I prefer carry a card rather than money).
Just so folks know, I just saw it tweeted by someone and noticed myself that the excellent pro indy business group Business for Scotland is going to continue.
link to businessforscotland.co.uk
Seriously, unionists should be worried. They thought after last week we’d all give in. It’s actually made our resolve even stronger. Be afraid Westminster and Labour, be very afraid.
But I still want to do the footsie stuff, I love shares.
Whoa! First there are a few questions:
As Helen asked, “will it be broadcast on Satellite?”
but what about, “will it be broadcast on Freeview?”
“will it be broadcast on cable”?
“will it be broadcast on-line”?
To watch it will require a TV Licence collected by the BBC on behalf of the Westminster Treasury and the Government will make a grant to the BBC but not to Scots TV or whatever they call it. Legally you pay a licence to watch TV breoadcasts from any source.
I really, really want to see this happen but it is not just going to be a matter of money
Could we make it Pirate TV funded by adverts and donations and a bit of civil defiance?
@Ann
What about the Scottish Building Society, we, my wife and I, are looking to move all our accounts and mortgage to them.
I went straight from work to the Yes Midlothian meeting in Penicuik. During the meeting we were talking about broadcasting and the problems and so on. I suddenly discovered I had a broadband signal and checked Wings on reflex. Found this page and discovered the fundraiser was already over £2,000 after only about an hour and a half.
I was waving my phone in the air shouting hey look at this guys!
There are plans to keep the Yes shop in Penicuik open and use it as a sort of Yes community centre. They were handing out SNP and Green Party membership application forms and there were loads of takers. The shop was packed, standing room only.
Someone said the Yes people in Edinburgh have simply given up though, closed the shops and packed it in. Maybe someone needs to have a wee word there.
Got home and thought about donating. Already over £12,000. Caught up on Twitter and wandered back to donate, to find it was over £14,000.
Just checked back this minute and it’s over £17,500, with someone having bunged in £1,000. Looking good chaps.
Four lead boots already appointed to the devolution commission with Lord Smith in the Chair:
Michael Moore, Tavish Scott (Lib Dem),
and Annabel Goldie and Adam Tompkins (Tory).
Can you imagine the interminable boredom ?
We need Tommy Sheridan in there as a basic minimum.
No feckin way – looked on about 2 hours ago at £1400 and thought yeh this will happen. Soundroom, cameras and coffee machine already bought – Heh ! Johann Lamont I’ll get yer coat
Wings just mentioned on Question Time by member of audience.
Hey! Wings and Bella just got mentioned by an audience member on Question Time!
I donated quite a bit on Mon on Indiegogo for Freedom TV. Is this the same thing or another idea for a Scottish Broadcaster? It was either on Newsnet or Bella.
Oops, forgot to say made a wee donation. Will have a word with mother and surely will be sending some more in her name.
Muscleguy says: 25 September, 2014 at 8:53 pm:
“Only if you do it in drag as a weathergirl.”
So, Muscleguy, You fancy Carol Kirkwood too?
£17990
boom, on the way to £20k already…. great work all, keep sharing it!
Over £17k now
Look out world, here comes the Scots!
Boys behave yourselves – you will be very lucky if we let you serve the serial.
This is the shit.
This is exactly what’s needed, print media would be handy too but I can see how it’s a bit ropey from the outset… shame it was a weekly that declared it could have saved some effort.
@Morag
I have an email from Edinburgh West saying blah blah blah, “We shal be in touch soon with future plans”.
I’m in North & Leith and they were also very active, more so in debates. I can’t see them dying either, and I know the Southsiders and while I can’t really comment on the Yes I know it was carried by old school SNP activists.
I wouldn’t worry too much, but Edinburgh’s always been a tough cookie outwith the estates, typically.
OMG that’s fantastic more than 100% in ONE day.
I think I might be getting a bit hysterical but LOL
‘ Morag I had a look in the Yes shop on Easter Rd on Tues they’re packing up ready to leave.
Tomkins was put in to make sure nothing serious is going to get through the commission. His early writings on his blog were interesting though obviously “self-confessed” unionist. They deteriorated bit by bit over the last few months of the campaign, including during his speech to the Conservatives, until they just toed the Better Together line, even on such as the pound, and something he should in fact have some sense about, the Crawford & Boyle paper, where even the 2 authors discussed the three possible constitutional routes to Independence for Scotland.
His is happy to use any quote (Lawyers for YES) out of context to further his own opinion, and self-admittedly though in not so many words, hates the SNP.
The UK will reap the whirlwind he will sow, in less than 2 years. It’s called “Indy Ref 2”. It’s a YES from me.
@Robert Peffers
I believe that what is intended for now is a serious online news broadcaster going by what is said on the appeal site:
A new player in the world of online news is not in itself revolutionary, but to present a genuine challenger to the national television news is.
If that is the case then obviously a TV licence is not necessary.
The important thing now though is to get something up and running, hopefully though it would grow and challenge the on air media such as BBC and STV directly also.
if it is successful then it will grow.
SNP membership currently at 64,673
I forgot to say: Tomkins appointment to the commission is just a post-referendum restatement of Ruth Davidson’s “line in the sand” on more powers for Scotland.
Done & dusted…
the Yes Alliance is also there for support etc.
link to facebook.com
@Morag,
Yes groups’ circumstances will vary. Few will have the resources to keep a rented shop going for very long.
Equally, things are changing so fast it is hard to keep up. It looks as though some kind of Yes Alliance may be on the cards. We’ve postponed an open meeting for Yes supporters for the simple reason that people’s ideas may be out of date alsmost as soon as they are mentioned… But we are running a Yes stall this w/e with sign-up details for all pro-indy parties, and we are delivering 35,000 ‘thank you’ leaflets branded ‘Yes’. We have also decided to keep our YesWestLothian social media going.
But, as I say, Yes groups need to make their own decisions as to what they can afford. The important thing is to have some kind of a hub, online or not, where Yes supporters can find out what is going on. Also important to give our teams something to do and something to keep them motivated while the next stage plays itself out on the bigger stage.
An independent Scotland would not have taken around £400 each year from families with children. A matter not given a deal of attention to by the President of Gingerbread, (JK Rowling). A bit late now.
link to caltonjock.com
O/T
I hear a lot about Airdrie Savings Bank.Im pretty sure they were members of CBI Scotland who campaigned actively for a No vote.It is possible my source might have confused their membership of Chartered Bankers Institute with Confederation of British Industry.Readers might want to check that out if considering moving to them.
Am gittin cawfuddled here who’s in charge of the weather Ian B or Paula R,ah used tae read tea leaves kin ah get a slot,ok I,ll grab ah brush, on the way oot.
OHBC News.
A minute after midnight, and the counter clicked over the £19,000 mark. They can certainly get going immediately and maybe accelerate their timescale.
This is just for the funds to get the main investment in place. It seems to be a very large scale undertaking. I wonder how much they’ll need? Undoubtedly an eye-popping sum.
How embarrassing for the BBC would it be if an internet channel had higher viewing figures than they get, it’s entirely possible.
och ah dont care what the weather man says even if its raining, jist keep the lightnig thunder clouds over Westminster
Donated of course but I’m not sold. This is something I’d like to see for me who is fully online anyway. But if you really want to reach out to the 55+ who don’t use social media, there is no point in making an online show regardless of how much money you throw at it. If you want those people to watch it you need to put it on the actual telly. My thoughts.
@Alex,
Jack Foster obviously doesn’t want to lay out all his cards in public. But, reading between the lines, he is obviously making a serious attempt to pull investment into a new broadcast news channel to rival BBC Scotland/STV.
That’s a big money project. Way beyond crowd funding. I imagine Jack may well have to take a long spoon to various meetings with potential investors, but provided he has the wit to hire some tough-minded advisors from the crowd funding, he may do OK.
What he’ll no doubt need to do at some stage, if he wishes to remain independent is to make sure that 51% of the shares are held by trustworthy people. I would hope he will offer many of them to Wingers and other Yes people in small numbers – because the more you spread your shares among the little people, the more bother it is for some predator to mop them up.
Plus Dateline Scotland and Fear Factor were very good but in all honesty that movie about the Yes movement really sucked.
Well I’ve just put in my tuppence worth and the fund is now about £20,000 or twice the asking price! Lets do this!
@james @dave
My reading is that this will not be another online project. The clue is in the word ‘broadcast’.
It’s hugely ambitious, but we’re never going to break through online….
great to see the sum mounting up so incredibly quickly .
I noticed someone mentioned the American reporter Will McLeod who made some very good radio broadcasts.
Could whoever is in contact with him ask him to broadcast the appeal in the USA over the radio station he works for?
and maybe pass it along to other radio stations in the USA?
Just an idea for getting more money to finance a bigger radio/TV project or more communication projects (newspaper,magazine etc) .
Totally agree about the lack of EU news in the UK.
A rather longer-term idea might be to apply for EU funding to disseminate EU news
@Dave,
Agree – ‘Scotland Yet’ was not good
Ye go oot on a Thursday night tae yer furst green party meetin, ye end up chattin tae Patrick Harvey and ye find yerself mini ranting tae him aboot the BBC and how upset ye are about the lies, them not speaking truth tae power. And how ye are so angry and ye think that this transcends party politics…and how you feel this is what needs to be addressed. It’s so busy that he gets pulled away, but before he goes he’s in the middle of telling me, that it was ‘difficult’ for many of those that work there…And ye think tae yersel, I’m no in the right place for this.
Ye come hame, and go onto the only site where there are genuine people who wept as you did for what took place last week, who know that if people had been given access to the true facts, if a genuinely unbiased media had played a noble part in disseminating those facts and allowed people to make up their minds, without fear or prejudice, the result whatever way it went, would have been the ‘ settled will of the people’.
As it is we were lied to, bullied, bribed, psychologically battered into submission. It didn’t work on 45% of us, and a great deal of that is down to this site’s owner and the genuine people who contribute information and analysis, with passion, humour, and integrity.
And now…this…Just stunning! The crowdfunding sits at £19,583 and rising as I type. It’s not the green party (though they have a place in all of this), that will satisfy my deep and enduring righteous anger for the injustice of that cynically manipulated outcome last Friday. It is this kind of response that addresses the heart of how that outcome was made possible, and the possibility, now…that we can do something about this.
Thanks Stu, and everyone on here…it is time to get serious, right enough.
@Ian Brotherhood, 10:34pm
@kininvie –
You weren’t seeing things – it was there, (or, rather ‘it’s’ was there) but approx five minutes after you posted your comment it had been fixed!
Thank goodness you found it, Ian. I went looking for that elusive apostrophe, couldn’t find it, and wondered if I was going nuts.
Grammar police satisfied. 🙂
Sounds to me as if they’re intending to do something you can actually switch the TV on and watch. Though how I really don’t know.
Would that mean I have to keep paying my TV licence?
@Morag – I know how Edinburgh feels and you might be similar as we were all in quite pro No areas and it can be quite demoralising.
When out campaigning in east ren one of the younger guys said can I not go to somewhere more pro Yes, as most other folk seem to be having a good time.
OK, that’s it. £20,000.
Time for bed.
@ian @betty
Obviously Jack is watching – and knows the Wings’ grammar police will find him out!
Mealer- ASB were/are members of CBI . TBF most banks are members of the UK one. Please remember tho’ the CBI didn’t ask nor consult with their members in Scotland regarding the referendum and what side to take. I’m sure we can all agree that the CBI in made an utter arse of the whole situation. It’s up to the individual whether to open an account or not. To be honest I do a lot of internet shopping due to my disability and the charges for that would soon mount up. That is the main disincentive to me (along with CBI membership) for opening an account. try this link for a list of members before some resigned after the CBI screw up. link to yes2014.net
Liz, obviously keeping Yes shops open could be difficult, but folding the tents entirely isn’t quite the spirit. We’re in a pretty No area (only 33% across the region) and we’re all determined to keep the teams together and consolidate for the 2015 push.
@kininvie
@Broadcast’ doesn’t give anything away, it doesn’t define a medium, a TV show, a radio show or a podcast are all broadcasts.
This is completely O/T but relevant – I heard today that one of the queen’s horses was disqualified from an event due to doping.
Now you might think what’s that got to do with anything – do you think in the recent past anyone would question anything to do with the queen? Just saying.
Haven’t read comments. Was already over 20k by the time I gave £100 at 00:28. Good stuff everyone.
I just love this little website. It makes me smile every day 🙂
@ K1, 12:17 am
Glad you found your way “home” 🙂
You fair brought yet another tear to my eye with your post. Anyway, many of us are now on the next phase and have found ourselves in a quite unexpected place, deeply involved in politics. The difference is that these are politics where we feel connected and “our” politicians feel like they are of us too, no matter their party. It feels right to be so involved.
Wings is where we hang out and get things done when called upon. It’s precious.
Aye…further up thread someone mentioned Aidrie savings bank being member of CBI, yes seems to be the case, check it out: ( have appt. tomorrow, which I we going to rearrange, now I’m cancelling). Thanks for the heads up!
link to yes2014.net
This is what the guys say on the indiegogo page:
“Over the last 10 years, online media has grown exponentially; serious news providers of every hue have ploughed huge amounts of time and money into refining their online presence. A new player in the world of online news is not in itself revolutionary, but to present a genuine challenger to the national television news is.”
Sounds to me like it will be online.
Nana
That was at 5pm, no updates since then, but at that time it seemed to be increasing at 500 per hour again, having been down to about 250-300 from the tweets during the day. If that keeps up, perhaps the next tweet or whatever it is will be for – 70,000?
Kinivie
It’ll definitely need a hub – and a proper website, unlike the YES Scotland one, though in fairness in its early days it was good for starting groups, getting supporters and donations. No updates since last week which is appalling, it should be keeping the momentum going.
Don’t know any website designers, on the other hand Business for Scotland would. Could be worth contacting them, their own site is fine, and already being updated with new articles. Their designer seems to be in Glasgoe (Intelligise). Gordon had all the contacts he needed in ‘tinternet from way back!
Colin says:
25 September, 2014 at 11:17 pm
@Ann
What about the Scottish Building Society, we, my wife and I, are looking to move all our accounts and mortgage to them.
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Another option is to support your local credit union.
Let’s make sure we support local initiatives and foodbanks.
Well it’s just as well I don’t need to donate just now. The monthly pension’s not been transferred into the current account as yet. I’d still like to know if it is to be on or off-line.
The reasoning being that the people we need to reach are the ones we didn’t reach that the BBC and Sky did. The older and poverty stricken who have no on-line connections. There were enough of the commenters on here running down the old folks for voting NO and for only getting their info, (propaganda), from the TV and newspapers hostile to the Independence movement. There were others who decried the old folks for voting NO so as to not miss East Enders, Coronation Street and the Great British Bake off.
If we are funding an on-line Video Newsfeed then we still won’t get to those we need to get at. I read the bit at the top as saying, While on-line video was a great asset it just was not enough to get that extra bit of the population that we need to get educated. That means Freeview in my book for lots of folk do not have BSkyB or even cable and that means the viewers must, unless over 75 pay to finance the BBC via Licence fees.
Anything other than terrestrial TV broadcasting is a waste of money and would be better covered by a DAB radio station on air 24/7. This would not only get to the old folks during the day but the youngsters with pop-music and news/celeb-news/spot evenings and wee sma hours.
Thanks Betty, agreed it’s good to be involved…still smarting over the ‘tactics’, don’t know when or if that’ll ever settle inside though, tbh though it’s what’s ‘driving’ the need to do something…en and out raged in equal measure. Not a ‘party political’ animal myself, so not sure yet what the right path is for me as yet. Still working this through, in my mind and heart.
@Robert Peffers
That’s all well but some areas, like mine, don’t get digital radio and probably never will. Can we please devise a solution that will cater for the majority of the population?
Morag,
Our local Yes group doesn’t have a shop, but, we are carrying on as a group. We had a dinner together last night followed by a meeting and the enthusiasm for working on was fantastic. Our core group has grown and we have an even larger support group. A larger area meeting will be held soon and we will go on from there.
I can imagine how some of the campaigners in Edinburgh must have felt during the campaign because our little town is quite affluent/conservative and canvassing could be challenging, but, having a committed group kept our spirits up; so important. It is a bit like having Wings.
K1,
If you aren’t involved already, try finding a local Yes group. They will probably be on Facebook. It helps with the pain of last week and is quite empowering 🙂
What we desperately need is a print media. This won’t reach us oldies, or the majority of the population.
“Silver Surfer”.
The +55s might not be on facebook or twitter (I’m not and I refuse), but they’re certainly on the web, even when on holiday or a weekend away.
Do people really believe that a Scottish channel would get a license to broadcast on Freeview, it will never happen. It will happen on the internet, it may not reach out to the older generation but there are plenty of others who will be drawn in. If it’s done professionally it will give us a real voice in the world of broadcasting.
if they refuse us a space they damage their credibility and this freedom of speech fantasy that they promote to cover their propaganda. Rock … hard place
Hmmm posted this originally at 7K somethin but didn’t appear
Donated and shared with 1700+ on FB with message
Mmm, just reading for interest “Launching your channel on DTT”:
link to digitaluk.co.uk
Many times I suggested using Holyrood TV to do a lunchtime “Ask the Government” and “Ask the Opposition” phone in/email in/skype in type program where a recognised spokesperson, preferably a minister or shadow minister would answer questions from ordinary members of the electorate.
In the Referendum Campaign this would of course have been “Ask the Yes Campaign” or “Ask the No Better Together Thanks United Devo-Max-at-the-last- minute Campaign”. This would be a milestone in Government transparency and I believe would have become massively watched during the RC and I think could have been pivotal in getting a YES vote.
Just a format suggy for the new enterprise.
@Dave
“If you want those people to watch it you need to put it on the actual telly”
Agreed, but an actual TV channel would be hugely expensive. Eventually thousands of internet channels might be easily available on TV sets, but it will still be hard to compete with the established channels, with evening news sandwiched between light entertainment, weather etc.
Perhaps a Scottish current affairs show could be commissioned by STV, but it would have to be politically neutral.
So for now, I reckon it will have to be be an internet only affair.
For traditional media, I reckon the best chance is to get a weekly Scottish current affairs magazine on the newsstands, similar to Private eye or the Spectator.
A metro style newspaper would be ideal, but that would take the likes of Brian Souter or other wealthy entrepreneurs to step in.
Would be good to see a website with a broader reach than just politics – to get readership rates up.
@kininvie
I agree of course that Jack Foster and all involved would not want to be revealing all their cards at once. I’m sure we all agree that an over air broadcast to rival the BBC and STV in Scotland would be the goal.
However the most important target for now is to get something up and running as soon as possible and online would be the quickest. This also provides an opportunity to hone your skills and tune the format.
I’m certain we will be hearing more in the near future. One thing is absolutely clear and that is anything we can do to weaken the already discredited media in Scotland is worth backing.