Wings Over Scotland

Did they say anything about the main focus being the referendum, as AS claimed they’d said?

Anas Sarwar is on Twitter…hasnt he or one of his SPADs responded yet?

This is why you are worth every single one of our pennies WoS.  Imagine it was an SNP msp or mp.  I mean imagine the hoo ha as they would be calling for them to apologise live on tv, an emergency statement from the FM, that they should resign be sacked.  It would be a 24/7 circus yet now its one of the Unionists very own, all i hear is the tumbleweed.  Anus Sarwar is in the right company along with the likes of Lamont, Bailie, Baker the list goes on and on.   What a disgrace the msm is.  Lying on state sponsored radio, its like being in a banana republic.  They demonstrate ably why we will work even harder to achieve our independence and get their  jackboot off the Scottish peoples throats for all time.

I found Anas Sarwar to be very persuasive.
After all, he’s persuaded me to join the ever-growing band of ‘Telly-Yellers’, every time he opens his gob.

The labour party membership are doing a great job of not knowing when to keep their daft gobs shut .First it was the Muppet they call Lamont and now the brother of the VAT dodger Sarwar.As a nationalist and Yes campaigner am very grateful to these fools in doing our work for us that being turning the labour voter’s over to our cause .No one likes a lier. …………..Alba Gu snooker loopy! !!!
 

Seoc,
I’m just glad that “keech” got past the Rev’s profanity filter.
I’ll have to experiment with other sweary-words. “Bawbag” perhaps? It would apply to so many unionist politicians…

im off for a fish supper, anyone want 1 ?

“Is Malcolm Chisholm not a decent bloke?”
I don’t know. He needs to speak up if he is?

It seems to me that keeping abreast of Anas Sarwar’s lies and maintaining an update on each and every one of them is a bit like counting stars in the sky.

Just saw BBC TVs Generation 2014 of young voters  the No girl was a real soor puss whilst the Yes girl was bubbly and enthusiastic.
That for me sums up the respective campaigns.

On Unionist lies, there is an important article on Newsnet Scotland about Scotland and Catalonia in the EU. The distortion was introduced by the Scotsman, deliberately, concerning a statement by Joaquin Alumnia, vice-president of the European Commission, where he was speaking in a personal capacity as a proUnion Spanish politician, but the Scotsman gave the impression he was talking as voice of the EU.
Two interesting points, among many others,

“Scotland’s referendum is legal and counts on the recognition of the Westminster Parliament.  Under the terms of the Edinburgh Agreement, Westminster has pledged to accept the result of the independence referendum, which in turns means that Westminster would recognise and accept the future independence of Scotland.  Following such a process, no other country would have any legal or political grounds to block Scotland’s membership of the EU.”

Also concerning a huge Unionist/BBC distortion about the Irish Minster’s statement on Scotland in the EU,

“Ms Creighton’s remarks were misrepresented by the BBC.  The BBC Trust has now announced it is to investigate BBC Scotland’s inaccurate, highly selective and misleading report.”

@Albalha

It was worse than that. ‘Why are more men tempted to risk independence than women’ quoth the metropolitan nitwit presenter. Risk.. A nice balanced discussion awaits then. Oh, and all the evidence Alistair Darling has seen shows Scots are against independence.

Londoncentric metropolitan head up arse drivel. Here on channel 4.

The Guardian can’t help themselves either, their latest article has a headline of:
 
“Scottish separatists plan final push”
 
So much for respect eh.

Dave McEwan Hill
I do like “arsefire” as it encapsulates the sense of directed attack we are all under.
 
In a V sense though, would it not be more accurately directed towards BT?  (pedant?) 🙂

Lamont and Sarwar – lies and smears – Headlined grabbed – job done. Scottish media too paralysed with fear to tackle them – pathetic. YES the SNP and every other interested party need to tackle this head on – NOW.
On a lighter note GrutsForTea says: When Pinocchio Sarwar grows up he wants to be a real MP. In some-one else’s country I hope Gruts!
Famous15 says: Re Saturday 21stSeptember “And there will be no bevvying”
Jings that’s a facer right enough, what with everyone meeting in the Albanach and all. Wonder if the Major could offer tea and scones instead?

Bubbles,
You’re proving my point already, you cheeky monkey,
I hereby declare that there will henceforth be no more saucy comments, double entendres, toilet humour or other such wordplay on the the subject of “Anas Sarwar MP”.
Ye’ve been telt!

Lets be honest, the SNP know they won’t win, and the referendum is all about grabbing more powers.
What!!!!!!
Ch 4 is now binned!

Channel 4 report an utter disgrace!  Bias all over it.  Mind you, that arse Ian Martin just boosted the Yes vote with his sneering attitude.

Be fair Juteman, it is all about grabbing more powers.
 
All the powers needed to be a free and independent nation strutting our stuff on the international stage!

I thought the BBC was bad, but Cathy Newman just did a total hatchet job on Scots Indy.
A curious statement by her at the end though, about folk spoken to on the show have now changed their minds. What is that all about?

ok just listened to the 2 hours of debate of the 5 live programme and the result is that the audience was superb.you can hear it via peters you tube page
link to youtube.com
 
listen up bbc and stv. 5 live have done a great job here.
i heard people from scotland wales england and northern ireland more than the panel of guests.
the presenter was very good at getting people to speak clearly and not talk over one another. also she was good at stopping the politicians rambling.  
hearing the thoughts of the audience was the best thing about the debate, letting them debate amongst themselves was how it should be.
i tell you it made me greet about 5 times listening to it. the focal point for me was that an indy scotland will be able to change this country for the better faster than westminister.
the comments about child poverty in glasgow are just shocking and its enough. we need to fix this, we need to make it better, how do we do it,,fast. 
get all the controls on power in scotland and do it.
i’ve worked in special needs schools in the east end of glasgow, some are like bunkers. 
labour has been in power in glasgow to long and it needs to change, it is shocking.
loved the debate, love the opportunity we have next year to make a difference.
just vote yes
 
 

I found the title redundant – even from one continent over it is obvious that Anas Sarwar himself updates his lies with depressingly shameless regularity. While politicians are not known for their veracity what is it about Labor pols in Scotland that makes slips of the tongue the only occasion where they might tell the truth? And it is this lying atmosphere that has attracted the liberal party to convene there? Is this the shit-fly dichotomy in action?

0/t No Newsnight Scotland tonight.  UK Newsnight discussing independence from a location in the Borders 10.30 -11.20

O/T but oh dear there at it again.
 

Dear Jim,
What would independence mean for our currency and mortgage rates?
That’s the question researchers at one of Britain’s top research institutes have been considering. 
Economists at the National Institute of Economic and Social Research have looked at what different currency arrangements would mean if we were to leave the UK.  
What is clear is that none of the options open to an independent Scotland would be as good as what we have right now.
The researchers have produced an animation explaining their findings. It’s pretty detailed but we think it explains things well and is worth a watch:

Share this video with your friends on Facebook
As part of the UK, we have our own currency. We set our own interest rates. We have the strength and security of the bigger United Kingdom behind us if things go wrong. The nationalists’ plans put all of that at risk.
What is also clear is that interests rates would be higher if we left the UK. The researchers estimate that an independent Scotland would “face additional interest rate costs of between 0.72% to 1.65% above the UK borrowing costs”. Higher mortgages and higher bills are the last thing we need right now.
If you do one thing today, please watch and share this video with your friends and family.
As ever, thanks for all your support
Gordon
Gordon Aikman
Director of Research
Better Together

At the moment Sarwar doesn’t give a monkey’s what any of us say about him. I imagine he considers himself untouchable. He is financially loaded. He is young. His future within the Labour Party is assured. He has pals in all sorts of high places. If things go politically pear shaped for him he can just call Daddy and he’ll get fitted up with a cool job in either Pakistan or the Pakistani embassy or their High Commission in London. You might say that he has it made.
 
This is all just a game to him, same as it was with his old man. He is simply using us.
 
If there is a chink in this bloke’s armour that could bring him down it would be by getting him to admit publically that he doesn’t give a bugger about Scotland and the Scots, their Christian religion or their culture. But I suspect he isn’t dim enough to do that.

@jimmitchell
I’m no economist but you know the idea of a wee hike in interest rates, regardless of its veracity, may backfire on the BT bunch, as the older, possibly Unionist inclined, savers may just think, well I’ll vote YES if I can get a greater return on my savings.
More and more I just want to get us over that line, how we get there, I’ll worry about later. 

Re interest rates higher in an independent Scotland, they cant stop us using Sterling therefore interest rates will be identical, if its in our own interest then later we may move to either our own currency or the euro, either way you can be sure that it will be in Scotlands interest to do so if that happens, If it does happen it will probably be  because UK interest rates have gone through the roof as they cant afford to service their massive borrowing without Scotland’s resources. The pound is gaining against other currencies at present I think due to the fact that international investors/speculators are gambling on the UK interest rates going up in the near future See this article in The  Spectator in June this year.
link to blogs.spectator.co.uk
 
 
 

@The Rough Bounds
‘he doesn’t give a bugger about Scotland and the Scots, their Christian religion or their culture’
Tbh the amount of buggerage I give about our religions(s) is pretty limited. In fact just about the only thing that Sarwar could do to lessen my contempt for him is if he was to give a two-fingered salute to religion in general. Chances of that though are sweet fa, so my contempt is safe.

R4 at 10pm will be discussing our independence why all the sudden interest throughout in north Britain very strange indeed.

This one is also worth reading…..
If I remember rightly Labour claimed it would take 400 years for the UK  to pay off the National  debt (Blaming the Tories economic policies) If we accept our population share of the UK National debt (approx.100 billion) then we can pay it off in ten years. Its a no brainer hopefully Novembers white paper will address these issues.
link to spectator.co.uk
 
 
 

O/T Rev. Stu Can I give a wee plug to the Ayrshire Matters Scottish Independence Debate – Should Scotland Be Independent? This Thursday 19th September from 7pm at Ayr Town Hall, The Sandgate Ayr.
 
 Ayrshire Matters have arranged for two local Tory councillors to speak on behalf of Better Together. For the Yes camp we have local SNP MSP Chic Brodie and South Ayrshire for Independence’s very own Bill Boyd.
 
 Ayrshire Matters have a Facebook page here:-
 
 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=525459017529649&set=a.484329604975924.1073741828.481791538563064&type=1&theater
 
 Not often we get a real chance to debate with Better Together so for those in Ayrshire please click, share and try and come along. The Ayrshire Post is covering the debate so it would be great to get a good Yes attendance.
 
Thanks Rev.
 

O/T but as you would expect, the Torygraph is making hay with NIESR report
There’s even a poll with the leading article.
You’ll just love the NIESR’s suggestion to offset debt! 
link to telegraph.co.uk
 

@ Albalha
 
Their English/Welsh listeners must be gettig pissed off with the amount of interest by the BBC ignoring their concerns.   I see it that Prof Curtice has had words that he cannot hide what is really happening in the polls conducted so far.    The times they are a changing.

Margrit’s on Newsnight 10.30- this should be fun!

Re. Channel 4. I always thought they were anti-Scotish, just a bit more sleekit than the BBC. Apart, of course, from Jon Snow.
link to ruleworks.co.uk

@ Keef – Just to expand your thoughts here is a FB comment from Ellon Academy who had their S6 mini referendum today, results tomorrow :
Loved that feeling of putting a big ‘X’ beside ‘Yes’!!
link to facebook.com
These young folk are on the roll. [Electoral and more]
 

Jingly Jangly,
I’ve been saying this for months. The BoE can’t hold interest rates this low for too much longer. They’ll have to raise them across the board to curb inflation. When they do, the bond market will be put under extreme pressure to the point of bombing.
 
Max Keiser made an interesting observation that the big boys are now starting to sell bonds to joe public. This is a sure fire sign that they see the trouble ahead and are now desperately trying to offload their risk onto the public. This market was a closed shop strictly for the big boys only. Not any more it ain’t! They’ll offload their risk to you quite happily now.
 
My fear is that this recent push for workplace pensions is Gideon building a war chest to buy him time. He’ll step right in when he feels like it and seize every fucking pension pot and savings account he can get his hands on.
 
If you value your pension and savings folks, get the fuck out of the union coz Gideon has his eye on it 🙂

If you choose not to then invest in wheelbarrows coz we’ll all need one to get our wages home at the end of the week!!
 
You’ve been warned!

Well done Rev. very satisfying expose though I very much doubt that An-ass Sarwar will be speechless with embarassment.
What next for “Scottish Labour”. We’ve had Subways Ian,now returned,Baker,resting? Lamont-summer hols. and now returned with a stupid howler over land sales,what no pillow talk with hubby?
Baillie and now Sarwar – both strangers to the truth – mired in faux pas within a week of each other. Who will be next to step up to the plate? Or will it be a merry-go round of “Scottish Labour” big beasts to frighten us?

Rough Bounds………..You did mention religion.
Check your own post.09:15 pm

No it doesn’t castle hills. You now have to find Lord Fooks and call him an old fart on twitter.
 
The geological survey must register his rage at 5 on the richter scale. You will then qualify as a “cybernat”

Off topic, but can anyone here with ties to the SNP please explain why on earth Yes Scotland’s communications director has been selected as the SNP’s candidate for the Dunfermline by-election?

This is a crucial time for the independence campaign. With just a year to go until the referendum we independence supporters would hope that all Yes Scotland employees, particularly the communications director, are spending all their working time concentrating on trying to convince the people of Scotland to vote yes.

So why on earth has she been pulled away from such an important role within Yes Scotland in order to spend at least a month neglecting her Yes scotland job while she campaigns to get elected for the SNP in what, in relation to the referendum, is basically a meaningless by-election?

We independence supporters, and Yes Scotland, deserve far better. Do the SNP really care more about winning a by-election that has come about due to their own negligence than about Yes Scotland’s communications director doing her job of convincing Scots to vote yes?

“we independence supporters”
 
That’s a dead giveaway, sunshine.  You just can’t help yourself, can you?

Nah he’s a Formula 1 fan going round and round and………….. 

“That’s a dead giveaway, sunshine.  You just can’t help yourself, can you?”

What most certainly is a ‘giveaway’ in regard to the priorities the likes of you place on the SNP and independence respectively, is the fact that you don’t appear to care in the slightest that Yes Scotland’s communications director is being co-opted away from her crucial role at Yes Scotland in order to stand for the SNP in a meaningless by-election.

And I’ll be running round suggesting to people that they ought to vote No to send out a signal that we don’t hate the English and will happily give them all our dosh forevermore.
 
Yeah, right.

And I now hereby swear that I will cease and desist from feeding the hairy thing lurking under the bridge, no matter how tempting.

PCSA is a unionist troll who is never off the Scotsman forums

@The Rough Bounds
“Incidentally, while you are at it, look up an etymological dictionary and check out the difference between ‘faith’ and ‘religion’.”
 
Don’t need to.
I have faith that the Scottish people will vote Yes. I don’t give a **** what religion they are.

@PCSA
 
But that’s even worse! Yes Scotland needs to show that it is fully independent of the SNP and is not controlled or dominated by them – having the SNP’s spin doctor as its ‘strategic communications director’ isn’t going to help in that regard! 
 
There should be NO links or ties between Yes Scotland and the SNP.
 
Seriously, it is pretty obvious you are no supporter of independence.  That you are  arguing that there should be no links between Yes Scotland and the SNP says it all. 

“Seriously, it is pretty obvious you are no supporter of independence”

Correction: its pretty obvious that I’m no supporter of the SNP.

You need to learn the difference between ‘independence’ and the SNP, there is one. 

“That you are  arguing that there should be no links between Yes Scotland and the SNP says it all”

Yes Scotland is supposed to be a party politically neutral organisation that promotes independence to ALL Scots, regardless of the party they support. Its therefore blatantly obvious that having the SNP’s spin doctor as its communications director is counteracting that status. 

PCSA – any views on Unionist parties’ involvement with Better Together?
 
Just for balance you understand and after all, you are amongst friends here, considering that you are a self-confessed independence supporter (don’t worry, we won’t tell your other friends).

“any views on Unionist parties’ involvement with Better Together?”

I don’t care about ‘better together’, the more the unionist parties get involved with it and have infighting, and damage its status as a supposedly party politically neutral organisation the better as far as I’m concerned.

@Derick
 
link to bellacaledonia.org.uk
 
(about half way through – compare and contrast).

But that’s even worse!
 
PCSA
 
How can it be worse? Somerville was an SNP MSP and party member. Pringle is a professional communications expert. Surely it must be better and he is awfully good at his job so he will do good things with the Yes communications.
 
This is all good

I don’t care about ‘better together’, the more the unionist parties get involved with it and have infighting, and damage its status as a supposedly party politically neutral organisation the better as far as I’m concerned.
 
Agreed. But with the Tories likely to overtake Labour in the UK polls soon, they may feel more confident and take a more controlling role over Better Together / the pro-union campaign. 
 
I suppose this can only be very good for YesScotland.
 

Jeez is that arse back.
I have heard that script before. Anyway much more fun on the “What we do” thread about that 68% Yes on Newsnight.

is the margin of error plus/minus 3 points ?
The margin of precision is, not accuracy. But yes, in theory they could be actually equal. Anyway, the latest ICM just fits nicely with the overall trend of all UK polls. The Tories are slowly catching up with Labour, with the latter highly unlikely to win in 2015 based on current figures and past precedent. Ed’s ratings are terrible and getting worse.

Heh Morag, you are a independence fanatic! Gee whiz. Och, I suppose I’m one too.
To PCSA: The SNP are a party committed to Scottish independence. So too are other parties committed to independence. Why hide your light under a bushel?

btw? Doh! btl

Morag
I just like feeding folk rope from time to time. Anyway, this is a public forum and the Roman one has a much right as anyone to make an arse of him or her self.

“I am not an SNP supporter…………… I have always voted for the SNP”

DUUHHHHHHHHH!

Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus is trolling.
Nothing to see here.
Move on.