Wings Over Scotland

Yet another SNP propaganda department

This is so so pretentious and ridiculous.
Useless is a laughing stock now , it has to be official.

Answer for the £14 million SNP credit card bill.

Brown can’t believe the BBC were asking questions of the SNP about civil servant spending on play dough and nails. He said:

“it was carried on BBC international news, alongside stories on international efforts to save the Brazilian rainforest, and the latest situation in Niger.

Just extraordinary!”

You know they’re up to no good when they don’t want you talking about them. Isn’t that right Keith?

Caught the tail-end of The Skewer on Radio 4 earlier; it would appear that the BBC’s policy on swearies is moving around a bit. A sketch to do with Trump – but might equally apply, perhaps, to the SNP – describing him as “Hitler-in-the-bunker fucked”.

And I’ve just heard The Cramps on Radio 4!

I will settle for compliance with FOI requests, properly minuted Government meetings, a timeously response to Government complaints, any fatal accident inquiries within a few years, Judicial equity, Police Scotland fairness and equity in dealing with investigations, a proper SNP member misconduct process, transparency of Government decisions, compliance with elected manifestos and of course a properly run Scottish Covid Public Inquiry,
transparency of Party funding and not forgetting a ban on shredders in Holyrood. Your starter for 10. Other gripes available on request.

It looks like the SNP are advertising for more spin doctors.

You can advertise all you like for new spin Doctors. We know you’re all corrupt as fuck.

SNP out.

Come on, let’s be fair now.

There is a difference between ‘unit’ and ‘service’.

So it’s not the same thing.

Not really.

And it’s just bad faith to suggest otherwise.

AI. Ministry of Artificial Independence.

Seems to me that a reporter called Ms Nutt is ideally suited to work in a Rebuttal Unit, so they have time to make her an offer she can’t refuse and get the unit up and running by the autumn.

Andrew scott says on 12 August 2023 at 10:53 pm:
“The “trashional” is so bad. Who actually buys this rubbish.”

Deluded muppets who also believe Westminster will play nice and issue them with a S30 for Xmas. And it’ll be delivered by Santa himself no less. 😉

For those not aware, S30: link to commonslibrary.parliament.uk

BTW, Andrew, i like “The Trashional” tag. I’ll borrow that for future reference. LOL!

Al Stuart.

Posting that link

link to wingsoverscotland.com

I went and read it and talk about being gutted at being reminded of just how much Nicola has fucked Scotland and the eejits are still saying “NuSNP” are the vehicle for independence.

Reading that was almost as bad as how I felt on the 19th Sept 2014.

We all have been betrayed, Never thought I could hate a “leader” as much as Maggie “Milk Snatcher” Thatcher, Nicola “Kicking the can doon the road” Sturgeon has nic’d that crown

(Yes, the pun was intentional)

George Ferguson – When you attend a meeting with Scottish Government, minute the meeting yourself. Send out the minutes the next day and if no-one amends them, they have accepted them. They hate it when you do that. What the Swinney and Sturgeon years allowed to develop in Scotland these past 10-years is the feeling amongst civil-servants that they were a protected enforcement gang. That’s the way you deal with that. It works in Africa, the Middle East….and Scotland. So, it works in all lawless hell-holes.

Kate Forbes should have been elected leader of course because she speaks for most SNP members. Swinney and Sturgeon couldn’t allow that to happen because they know that there is so much scandal coming down the tracks towards them that they need a barrow-boy and a liar to be in charge of everything. Plenty of us had Swinney and Sturgeon’s card marked for a long time, but I can’t say that I take any satisfaction out of seeing the putrid mess they have left behind them. One word of caution for everyone – if anyone thinks Labour will be an improvement many be in for a disappointment.

The problem with the SNP its packed full of Tories and Unionist including Kate Forbes.

Same old crapola, and anyone using the weasel terms disinformation or misinformation is basically a censor at heart.

How to really deploy a rebuttal unit/service/hingy:

link to youtube.com

So the first SNPBad story the new rebuttal unit will have to rebut, is that the new rebuttal unit is not new? You would think Humza would have the nous to at least call it something else: the anta-anti-propaganda unit perhaps?

How much buts could a rebut but if a rebut could but buts?

Sun Tzu reckons that as a public information exercise it can have zero credibility post coughid in any event.

Could still be very useful internally if its able to help develop policy that’s not based on stupid shit like, Scotland should be independent because Boris is Conservative and the Falklands are on our side of the border (not that Grantham shopkeeper’s) – or now that our business ambassador is president of united states we’ll be calling him names when we’re not ignoring him mostly because he didn’t want golfers being distracted by beautiful offshore windmills at any of his properties, etc.

I see accusations of ‘malinformation’ are becoming a thing.
Malinformation is a truth which is deemed unacceptable, apparently.
I expect it will be against the law soon.

Giving exact meaning to words is so yesterday.
Remember –
This is NuWorld where words can mean whatever you personally need them to be.

Makes you wonder if the SNP is actually self aware, or just inhabits a lower plane of existence.

Sturgeon lobotomised the SNP and Yousaf is merely the proof of it.

All that’s left now is to officially change the party name to NuSNP.

I cannot understand how Mr Salmond could be so unaware of devious duplicitous unionist cabal that he surrounded himself with in government. How could he have misjudged those he elevated to high office in the party and his cabinet. who , when the opportunity came turned on him and tried to get him jailed for life. For me this brings Mr Salmond’s judgement into question.

Will the Alba party be a repeat scenario.

Sturgeon’s rancid SNP taking their lead from the Scottish Greens, who apart from loving all things Woke, do like a good bit of recycling.

100%Yes says:
13 August, 2023 at 6:58 am
The problem with the SNP its packed full of Tories and Unionist including Kate Forbes

Rubbish the real problem is that the SNP, Greens, the media, et al are packed with LGBT+ supporters and there is a reason for that which is not in the interests of those who wish to form a strong economic and social government in Scotland.
The Captain is correct once again Forbes was the obvious choice as we require the good people from the existing SNP to help construct such a government.

The promotion of Reagan here and in other areas was a serious mistake and one which could insure the most here will never see “Independence” Forbes was our big chance to really get the show on the road, a good political brain and social views which reflect those of a rapidly changing demographic. Now we face years of infighting as we attempt to loosen Sturgeons grip on Scotland’s women. These women are the key, they have been programmed to confuse natural function with an insane view of the “Patriarchy” as an abuse mechanism; and the madness gap continues to widen with our children and normal women thrown to the wolves.

@Alf Baird 9:22

I will breezily admit to being “scared of the oppressors tanks and planes” but of course we are talking of different oppressors. The tanks and planes in your heid exist there and nowhere else.

You push your colonialist trope past it’s breaking point. Scotland is not some nation of mud tracks and tin huts without electricity, water or sanitation. It is still a mostly first-world country with all of the complex services and infrastructure most of us take for granted.

The SNP administration was never “scared” to take that on, other than in the sense they understood and recognised just how lacking in competence and capability they were. They fucked it up because they knew the job was beyond them. They talked the talk but flunked the walk.

It remains beyond them, just as it will remain beyond the next lot until they get some serious, mature, skilled, capable people on board. HR has never had more than around half a dozen grownups, in a sea of eejits. That’s nowhere near enough to achieve anything.

Your “colonialism” trope just continues to delay the day when this uncomfortable truth will get faced.

“Go back to WW2 before things were this bad”

Naw.

“Boris”

Boris gone, man.

If you are trying to make some good points, they are drowned in the dross.

The only people rebutting anything were ordinary indy supporters writing to papers or (very occasionally) getting to speak on the likes of Questiontime.

Effijy says:
SNP have been pathetic in countering the garbage the U.K. media churns out about Scotland.

And the voice of Alba has been deafening with regard to countering anything.

We never hear any political party or politician screaming about the rape of Scotland.
You seriously have to wonder why.

Mia

Well said, Wings should have put this as a article. Just what I needed before I watch a Scottish Prism

The Guy with the Elf Army tattoos has certainly developed over the last 10 days.
From being incoherent he is now positively gnomic.

Good comment Mia, and lets not forget Murrell calling in the enemy of Scottish independence GCHQ to make sure Yousless won the SNP leadership contest, neither Yousless nor Forbes had/have a plan for Scottish independence only Regan had a plan, and she as predicted would finish last.

What does Regan finishing last say about the SNP membership, it says one of two thing to me, either they don’t want to see an indy Scotland or GCHQ fixed the vote so that she would finish last, either way the SNP in my eyes is finished as an indy party their reputation and credibility have been damaged beyond repair with the indy electorate.

We should never forget that Yousless said with all sincerity at a SNP leadership hustings that Nicola Sturgeon is the smartest person he knows, and if she couldn’t deliver Scottish independence NO ONE CAN.

John Main @ 10:03 am

““colonialism” trope”

Its nae ‘trope’. Postcolonial theory, history and ongoing political, economic and cultural reality fits Scotland like a 300+ year auld ‘colonial corset’; hence our English rulers ain term – ‘holding Scotland tight’. Tho denial (of oppression) is part of the ‘colonial condition’, as is a ‘co-operative’ native elite.

Fowk shuid ken that independence means decolonization, even according to the UN.

It’s clearly a Reboot of the Rebuttal Unit.

Like a sequel.

REBUTT REBOOTTED – and this time they really mean it.

The gender disphoria flag is the current Anglo/American colonising instrument.

Accept our flag flying in your country and let us split you population.
Or
Object to our flag flying in your country and we will economically sanction you.

Have a PA playing outside house again with a marquee tent with the trans flag flying next to it. Some people do not get that Sturgeons constituency is the template for how they want all of Scotland, including the rural areas, to look in the future.

In not unrelated news, Owen Thomson getting down on one knee to beg Julian Assange’s jailer for a truth Tzar to punish Scoltand’s MPs (and show Penny mordant to have been bang on the money last week in process) must be one of the wierdest plan A side quests yet.

36DD chess to get in with m’lady and her influential friends from a personal networking perspective, coded message to directors of public prosecutors* and the like that the list of mi5 operators in northern ireland has a Scottish equivalent, or something even more surprising – such as most of the names on the list having voted for Humza..

* eg those that might end up deciding whether to take allegations of political crimes meriting FRONT garden murder tents to the next level

“No ifs, no buts,” but more rebuts.

How very backfoot and defensive instead of fronfoot and attacking.

Same old, same as, devoid of intellectual capacity.

The Ginger Biscuits will lap it up.

Mia – Scotland was granted a devolved regional assembly because it was understood that there was consistent support for it.

The first few administrations were Labour and the were pretty incompetent to be honest. Dangerously so. I can think back to the Shirley McKie. However, people put that down to lack of experience.

John Swinney took charge of the SNP and he appeared to me to be a vindictive character, someone not to be trusted.

Salmond then ran Holyrood for a number of years and made a good job of it. All fears of incompetence melted away and most Scots were comfortable that Holyrood did have the competence and the honesty to run the country.

The Section 30 was then issued and Scots could decide for themselves whether to continue as we are, or go for independence. I remember Jim Murphy being pelted with eggs but, apart from that, it was a healthy time almost free from vitriol.

The vote was lost and Sturgeon and John Swinney took control of everything. They placed their people at the top of all of the civil-service, health boards, police, legal institutions, professional institutions and all the rest of it. It was akin to a military coup and if Sturgeon and Swinney didn’t like you, you were out.

There has been no UK influence on what has happened in Scotland over the past 10-years. It is all home grown, sadly. Colonialism has got nothing to do with it either. Keep on a steady course with Salmond and Scotland would (probably) be independent by now.

After 10-years of Sturgeon and Swinney, it is gone. Wasted. No-one reading these pages will ever see independence in their lifetime, nor will their children see it. It will take that long to undo the damage and so it has been a pyric victory for those of us who voted against independence.

It is not over yet and the death throes are going to be pitiful to watch.

“There has been no UK influence on what has happened in Scotland over the past 10-years.”

The Tories lib/Dems and Labour at Holyrood (or as the Electoral Commission calls them (OIM) Optional Image Marks) are ALL branch offices of their foreign HQs in England, they answer to London not the Scottish public which influences their decisions at Holyrood.

Of course Brexit wasn’t influenced by the dis-untied kingdom either that was all Scotland ‘s fault that the vote went ahead

Also ten years ago was 2013, and the dis-untied kingdom government of the day its Civil Service and the foreign media didn’t influence the 2014 vote either that was all down to Scotland people.

Those couple of points are just off the top of my head.

Johnlm – The likely return of a Labour administration at Holyrood doesn’t fill me with any optimism. I think we can both agree on that? Labour set the bar-height for corruption, nepotism and malfeasance in Scotland. Alex Salmond wasn’t interested in an of that, but Sturgeon and Swinney leapt over the bar effortlessly and from a standing start. A surprising number of people on here still blame the English for everything and it was the only strategy that really worked for Sturgeon and Swinney. God knows where they all get their ideas from, really.

Every post the same depressing rant.
Nothing constructive to say (Apart from you prefer WM rule)?

You’re making my lemmings restless.
Concentrate on a happy time in your past such as when you were in hospital with the soldier in white.

Captain Yossarian @ 4:02 pm

“There has been no UK influence on what has happened in Scotland over the past 10-years. It is all home grown, sadly. Colonialism has got nothing to do with it either.”

You might wish to reconsider that ‘analysis’ after you read up on the decolonization process:

link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

Ellie: You meant to say “yet another non-existent SNP Propaganda unit”, right?

“There has been no UK influence on what has happened in Scotland over the past 10-years”

You may choose to believe (or pretend to believe) such bullshit. I most certainly do not and never will.

Exhibit A:
an unelected representative of the crown is sitting right in the middle of the Scottish government cabinet acting as a gatekeeper of what bills can enter Holyrood to be debated and passed by our elected representatives.

This is an affront to Scotland’s democracy, undermines the democratic value of our parliament and represents a theft of sovereignty from the people of Scotland by the crown using a back door.

Case in point is the referendum bill. This bill could not be even debated by our elected representatives because the Lord Advocate of the day chose to assault Scotland’s democratic sovereignty and democratic rights by blocking the entry of that bill into our parliament.

Why did she do that? In my personal opinion she did this because she was acting as the crown’s tool of last resource: in a scenario where there is a majority of anti-union MSPs the crown cannot control what is passed in that parliament or what is not.

Denying the stamp after the bill has passed will reveal the crown as a profoundly undemocratic entity which is actively abusing power against the interests of the people of Scotland to stop independence.

Having the political fraud and fakeminist to her fingetips Sturgeon whipping the SNP MSPs against passing the bill would expose her as a political fraud and the SNP as the toothless spin off from labour it has become under Sturgeon, Murrell and Swinney. This would lead to a vote exodus towards Alba.

Solution? With the help of the political fraud, the crown proceeds to veto what enters our parliament by placing its representative in the middle of the cabinet.

Needless to say that if Sturgeon had been really determined to bring that bill into parliament, there is no way the crown would have been able to stop her. As it is, she comes across as being such coward politically that having the Lord Advocate doing the dirty work on her behalf must have seemed rather convenient.

Legislative, judicial and executive powers are separated in a democracy. These powers are never separated in a colony. Under Sturgeon, those powers were welded together, signifying Scotland is not a democracy. Its democratic structures are being overly abused and treated as a colony by the crown and by England’s (and Scotland’s) political representatives.

By the way, many months ago Mr David Davies alerted the rest of the UK MPs in the UK parliament (and us all) of this aberration and undemocratic collusion of powers. He exposed very clearly this aberration of having in Scotland a representative of the crown in the middle of a democratically elected government cabinet.

Mr Davies also explained that this aberration does not affect England. He also mentioned that both, the HoC and HoL know very well from experience that the collusion of powers is never acceptable in a democracy.

It was in the power of the HoC to change the Scotland Act to stop that theft of sovereign power from the people of Scotland by the crown by the back door. They have had more than enough time to do this. You cannot keep pretending the UK is a democracy while purposely and knowingly leaving this door wide open.

As of today, neither the UK MPs, the UK lords or indeed the crown itself have made any move whatsoever to correct that problem. Neither the SNP, labour, Tories, Greens or LibDems in Holyrood or the UK parliament are actively asking for that problem to be corrected either. They cannot say they were not informed. They were well informed as were the public. So Why they haven’t done so? Because the moment they do so the crown can no longer control Scotland’s parliament or what gets passed in it.

The fact that not a single political party in Scotland with representation in Holyrood is asking for this aberration to be immediately corrected leads to the unavoidable conclusion the leadership of all those parties is not formed by democrats but rather by crown tools actively working against democracy.

In a monarchy with limited powers it is completely unacceptable that the crown is detetermining what bills are debated in Scotland’s democratically elected parliament and which ones are not. It is a blatant theft of power from the people of Scotland by the crown.

Exhibit B
The case of the referendum bill was purposely taken to an English court so English judges could apply the English law convention of parliamentary sovereignty which does not apply to Scotland.

Exhibit C
Senior members of the UK civil service were up to their eyebrows in the unlawful and tainted with bias complaints procedure, which was developed, no, actually rushed through at full speed, by UK civil servants to stop Mr Salmond opting to a MSP seat.

Despite the embarrassment caused by this brigade of incompetent and corrupt UK civil servants, despite the unnecessary cost they inflicted on the taxpayer, despite openly breaching the civil service code for political motivation, not a single UK civil servant involved was disciplined, sacked or fined because of this. They were all sent quietly to different jobs, to the comforts of retirement or they were praised with a salary raise.

Exhibit D
It was a senior element of the crown office who instigated the police to proceed with the criminal case against Mr Salmond on the basis of flimsy charges and to high expense for the Scottish taxpayer. Once the whole thing backfired, the crown agent was also swiftly moved out of the way to a low key sherif court elsewhere. The normal procedure is for the police to investigate and then refer to the crown office, not the other way round.

Again, this very much looks like an example of representatives of the crown fiddling with the judicial power.

Exhibit E
It has been suggested the UK civil servants involved in the unlawful complaints procedure brought against Mr Salmond were coached before being interviewed during Fabiani’s farce to ensure it was a complete whitewash. Considering they were UK civil servants, should the UK civil service and the senior ranks within it not consent to this, such coaching would have never been allowed or gone unpunished.

Exhibit F
If I am not mistaken, among the evidence presented during Fabiani’s farce, there were communications between the crown office and the UK civil servants within Scotland’s government. Again, this is a sign of crown fiddling with the executive power and its collusion with the judicial power to instigate a targetted political persecution. This is completely unacceptable in a democracy.

Among the evidence submited to the Fabiani farce there also appear to be signs of collusion between the UK civil service and the SNP hierarchy.

Exhibit H
It was elements of the crown office and the lord advocate (representative of the crown) who suppressed the infamous whatsapp messages from the public, who put the Fabiani’s farce in a straight jacket making it toothless and who were actively protecting the identities of potential perjurers involved in Mr Salmond’s case. Conveniently, the protection of the identities of the accusers was used as the excuse to actively and purposely suppress information from the public.

What do those whatsapp messages hide? Could they be hiding collusion of the SNP with the crown office? Could they reveal at what point the moorov strategy was drafted? Was the decision of following this strategy taken before or after police investigation took place?

If the decision to deploy this strategy was taken after the police investigation was concluded, why was there ever any need to deploy so many detectives and interview hundreds of witnesses?

Exhibit I
What the hell is a crown office doing sticking its unwanted nose in Scotland’s prosecution service, Scotlands parliamentary committees and courts? why there isn’t a crown office in England interfering with its CPS?

Exhibit J
Murrell involved the GCHQ in the SNP leadership election. The election of an SNP leader has absolutely nothing to do with the UK. It is a political party exclusive to Scotland. Were GCHQ also involved with the last election of the tory leader or indeed when Starmer was elected?

Exhibit K
What is the first thing the SNP continuity candiate did on being nominated FM of Scotland?
To hand over to the crown Scotland’s stone of destiny.
Why? Under what justification, with what right and with whose consent? When were the people of Scotland consulted about handing over its heritage to another country?

The minute there is a coronation ceremony (not matter how small) in Scotland, it is evident the crowns of England and Scotland remain separate. The stone of destiny is for SCOTLAND’S monarchs, not England’s. The only possible purpose of sending the stone to England is to aid with the subjugation of the people of Scotland to the crown of England. That is insulting, unacceptable, unforgivable and tells exaclty what kind of politician Yousaf is: another unprincipled and spineless crown tool.

Exhibit L
Who is taking over from the chief police officer in Scotland? Where is the person from? Why do we have a person from England coming to lead the police force in Scotland? Are we expected to believe we do not have good enough police officers experienced enough in Scotland to take that post? Or is the problem that they are “too Scottish” and therefore untrustworthy to do the crown’s dirty work of going against the interests of Scotland to stop the end of the union?

Exhibit M
Alba was subjected to an obvious and active blackout by the press and broadcasters, no doubt working in collusion with other forces of the UK state to stop independence.

It is becoming more than obvious that the grand plan the political fraud and fakeminist to her fingertips STurgeon was following (and now the continuity candidate) was that of deliberately collapsing the SNP to

1. forcefully transfer the vote of the soft no’s and soft yes to labour so it could be recycled as pro-union.
2. totally disinfranchise strong yes voters to make them silent

Such plan only works if there is no other party to which those votes can go to. Hence the blackout of Alba by the press, the continuous and unprofessional attacks by Sturgeon and Sturgeonites against Alba, and the political fraud’s infamous SNP 1 and 2.

I could continue until next weeks listing exhibits of how this is a UK intervention as there are so many. But the bottom line is you can only choose to credibly believe this has not been orchestrated at UK level to stop Scotland’s independence if you close your eyes and put your fingers in your ears while singing loudly.

This has always been about stopping Scotland’s independence and about forcefully trimming down the anti-independence majority of MPs Scotland has been sending to the UK parliament for the last 8 years.

The crown was behind forcing Scotland to enter the union in 1706 and, by the look of how elements of the crown are currently maneuvering in Scotland and abusing power, it very much looks like, through the structures it controls, the crown is actively working to stop the union disintegrating and to hell with democracy and what the people of Scotland wants.

So much for a monarchy with limited powers, huh?

Limited powers my foot.

Yossarian
Attaboy! You’re sounding livelier already.

A book of crap lies ahead. Utter fiction. Written by liar.

It will be the worst book. This country has ever seen. Unless you’re Nicola Sturgeon, who loves the smell of her own fart.

Well said Mia
I think I am right in saying the Alex Salmond had the representative of the crown removed from the cabinet during his tenure as First Minister.

We just see things from a different perspective and I have explained mine earlier.

The Sturgeon and Swinney years have flattened the Nationalist project and you have to start again from ground-zero. Get elected again to Holyrood and govern properly, honestly and cooperatively with all others so that the Scottish public once again have confidence in you.

It can be done and Salmond proved that. In answer to Mia’s point re the Lord Advocate. He/she doesn’t have to have a seat at government and that was not the case during the Salmond years, was it? In relation to an English Chief Constable – was the Chief Constable before Livingstone not Phil Gormley, who was English and who was very, very good. He was removed by Sturgeon and Swinney because he was of the view that Policing work was for him and not for them. I think we would all pretty much agree with that argument now, but he was made to resign and no-one stood-up to defend him. Also, UK civil-servants advised Scottish civil-servants not to prosecute Alex Salmond.

I suspect that Humza’a been left in charge for the next 3-years because these will be the “nuclear fall-out” years for the SNP and a hell of a lot more scandal is expected.

Kate Forbes would have been a better FM and could have made you electable again.

In relation to Alf’s point – I read that article and it is expertly argued, but I and I suspect man others do not agree with it. Govern the country properly from Holrood for the next 10-years and that is the only route to independence.

With Humza in charge and Labour waiting in the wings to take over, that’s not likely to happen any time soon. I used to vote Labour as twathater points out, but not any longer.

Yes John – I voted for the SNP from when I was 18 up until I was about 35 or 40. Then I switched to Labour. But, I decided in the past few years not to vote Labour again. So, it’s folk like me you have to convince and Salmond could do that. He didn’t convince me in 2014 but he was close. He should have remained shouldn’t he? Knowing what we know now. There was no reason for him to resign. I think that for all the disagreements I have with you and the others, we can agree upon that?

“I can’t wait for the truth to come out. And it’s coming out. Very soon”

Is it? I hope you are right. I am however somewhat pessimistic.

I am of the opinion that the extent of the deception Sturgeon and her masters inflicted on us, the extent of the involvement on this of the crown and other elements of the UK state and its international allies, the extent of the damage to and theft of Scotland’s assets, the identity of all those actively involved in deliberatly subverting democracy, the identity of the alphabets or the brains and strategy planning behind the criminal case against Mr Salmond and the bogus complaints procedure, will not come out until after the day Scotland ends the union and the lead weight on Scotland that the “crown office” represents, is removed from the CPS’s back and the strings it holds our police force with are cut off.

From the perspective of a voter, the tenure of Sturgeon and her deliberate destruction of the SNP as a vehicle for independence comes across as, at all practical effects, a forced regime change. And we all know who the masters at imposing regime change under the guise of “gifting” democracy are, don’t we?

We also know what is the main motivation for the world imperialistic powers to impose regime change, don’t we? It is the appropriation of other country’s assets.

And we have seen how under the political fraud and fakeminist to her fingertips Sturgeon, Scotland’s most lucrative asset (off-shore wind power) was effectively robbed from us from under our nose. We have also seen how under Yousaf, Scotland’s stone of destiny was shifted to England for no other reason than signifying Scotland’s subjugation to the English crown.

By the time the extent of the damage is known, all the bad actors involved will be either in a safe place elsewhere (above or below ground) and with their pockets full, or with some kind of amnesty/agreement of no prosecution, that is what I fear will happen.

It seems to me there are far too many actors at very high level and at both sides of the Atlantic involved on this, and too many heavily invested low ranking useful idiots desperately sitting on the lids to stop the compromising information that could see these useful idiots in trouble spilled to the public.

We have already seen some of these useful idiots frantically at play in the dodgy way Yousaf was catapulted to the post of SNP leader. We all know his election was a total sham. An insult to democracy. I do not think this was the doing of the bigger predators in the chain, but rather the lower ranking compromised useful idiots desperately working to keep the lid on their sins down.

It very much looks like a power chain and one expects it will behave like that. The rope holding low ranking links will be swiftly cut first and thrown to placate the public wolves. If the wolves are not placated, middle ranking links will be the next to be disposed off. It is always the way it has been in the chain of power.

That is, in my view, why Sturgeon looks stressed. She holds no longer political value for the powers that be and therefore has become, in the eyes of the big predator of the chain, another low ranking compromised useful idiot who can be politically disposed of.

Her value now is how good a scapegoat to protect the reputation in the higher predators in the power chain she is hanging from she can make and how many low ranking compromised useful idiots are below her. In my view, the outcome of the investigation of the SNP finances will be determined on how big a scapegoat the high ranking links in the chain need to remain in the shadows for the stitch up of Mr Salmond and the infiltration of the SNP.

In my opinion, if we want this political fraud to pay for her sins and her blatant betrayal of Scotland and the Scottish people, we need to aim to expose the higher ranking predators in the chain, so they drop her and all the lower ranking useful idiots like a lead balloon and feed them to the wolves. The higher we aim, the more of the chain we will get.

Sturgeon must know by know that if you sleep with the devil, you should expect to wake up with your body covered in nasty burns.

The change in physical appearance of Sturgeon since she resigned from the post of FM is more than evident. The drastic change in attire, hair style and make up reflects, in my personal view, the fact that for 9 years she was nothing more than a made up PR product.

Wings readers do not want the Tories.
Wings readers despise Labour.
Wings readers, give them their due, are aware of how corrupt and incompetent the SNP are.
Wings readers abhor the Greens and their hidden agenda.
Wings readers recognise how useless the Lib Dems are.

The question that has to be asked is who do they think should form the next Government at Holyrood?
Should it be formed by the likes of Alba Politicians, who appear to currently attract 1 or 2% of the voting public. If not them then who?

Isn’t life so unfair when you cannot get what you want. Even if what you want is different from the vast majority of the electorate.

Maybe the best thing to do is to write the same shite on here every day. You could even try dressing it up in some guid Scots words to show how clever you are compared to the rest. Some may even applaud you for doing so and you can bask in that rosy warm feeling you obviously strive for.

Even the lunatics on the WGD site can recognise some of the nutters on here.

Wings readers do not want the Union.
Wings readers despise faux Nationalists.
Wings readers can easily I-D Trolls.
Wings readers don’t give a shit who governs Holyrood as it’s just a branch office of Westminster.

The question is why the likes of Chas can find nothing better to do than litter BTL with their drivel.

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The chas paradox

Wings readers are losers,
Chas is a wings reader.

Self hatred isn’t healthy Chas.
Try to be more positive

The road to Independence lies in demonstrating that a Scottish “government” is capable of honesty and competence. Swinney/Sturgeon/Youseless have signally failed to do that

Then, after a “generation” or a “lifetime”, so some time after 2032, they should be allowed to try to persuade more than 38% of the electorate to self-harm by self-amputation and their putative IndyRef2.

In any event, they should respect the democratically expressed wishes of the Scottish electorate in both the recent Referendum and in the next one in the 2030s.

“Govern the country properly from Holrood for the next 10-years and that is the only route to independence”

Nonsense. This is the same old rancid bullshit we have been fed now for decades.

The only route to independence is the repealing of the Treaty of Union 1707 and the Act of Union with England. There is no other route. Anything other than that is just another poor excuse to retain some form of devolution or another and to hand control of Scotland’s assets, government and territory to somebody else.

Mia is right. Mair colonial administration only takes Scotland closer to the abyss. A total break with colonialism is necessary, not a compromise (Memmi).

Alf Baird at 10:03 pm
“Mia is right. Mair colonial administration only takes Scotland closer to the abyss. A total break with colonialism is necessary, not a compromise (Mummy).”

Because it would all have worked out so much better if Holyrood had had absolute control?
It’s hard not see see devolution as an expensive and wasted opportunity so far.

Great post Mia:

“The drastic change in attire, hair style and make up reflects, in my personal view, the fact that for 9 years she was nothing more than a made up PR product.”

I think she’s putting it on. Tony Blair died his hair grey after the Chilcot report and the Iraq inquiry. The oldest trick in the book. The poor worn out war criminal.

Sturgeon has no intentions of going back to her planet of the apes style image of before. She’s a vogue magazine cover girl now. That dines with the Queen.

James Jones said;

“Because it would all have worked out so much better if Holyrood had had absolute control?”

As long as it complied with Scotland’s constitution, yes!

Idiot @9:26

“In any event, they should respect the democratically expressed wishes of the Scottish electorate in both the recent Referendum”

2014 – Majority of Scots in Scotland vote Yes

2016 – Majority of Scots in Scotland vote Remain

In both referenda non-Scots alter the outcome for Scotland, against the democratically expressed wishes of the Scots who live in Scotland.

Oh, look… Tumbleweed!

Serious question.. The mandate for IndyRef2, why has this avenue been abandoned?

In the IndyRef fewer than 38% of the Scottish electorate voted yes. That’s not a majority.

“Scotland” did not vote in the Brexit referendum. It wasn’t Scotland or Rutland or Shetland who voted in that referendum. It was the people of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (+ Gibraltar) who voted.

Robertkknight

The default position with ALL of the hard of thinking, is that any one who asks a question, which the likes of you, are unable to answer, is that they must be a Unionists or a troll.

You come away with the classic ‘Wings readers don’t give a shit who governs Holyrood as it’s just a branch office of Westminster’. Who do you really think should govern Scotland and from where? If Wings readers don’t give a shit about Holyrood maybe they should.

There are millions of voters who are sick of the Tories and the SNP/Greens. Most of them have no real interest in Politics however if someone, anyone, can show them a viable alternative they will vote in their droves. Alba currently attracts about 2% of the vote. As John Main constantly alludes to ‘Show them the money’. Forget about all the colonialism, guid Scots words and the 300 year old drivel. At the end of the day people simply want a better life for themselves, their kids and grandchildren. Money does not make this happen but it does help. Ask anyone who is skint!

Of course people like you can simply survive on eating heather and admiring the views. Can’t they?

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The Chas Paradox

Chas detests Wings contributors.
Chas contributes to Wings.

Just as predicted….

Ah, but… Ah, but… Ah, but…

Same shite, different day.

1979 redux. If you didn’t vote Yes, you thereby voted No, even if you’d shuffled off your mortal coil between the electoral register being updated and polling day itself, apparently you’d still managed to vote No from beyond the grave.

So, I’ll explain it simply for you, the majority of Scots living in their own nation and who were not dead or otherwise engaged and who went to polling stations in 2014 voted Yes. Got it now?

Keep moving those goalposts and they’ll fall apart!

As for Brexit, Scotland, N.Ireland, Gibraltar AND indigenous Wales voted Remain. Only the Little Englanders had a majority Leave that dragged the rest of Great Britain AKA Greater England, and Gib, along with it. And the biggest joke is that the Little Englanders apparently now regret their stupidity. Priceless!!!

robertkknight

Well said.

Unless you make voting compulsory, you can only guage a majority from those who could be bothered to turn out.

Alf Baird @ 13th August 2023 at 1:37 pm:
“…how the British unmade India. India went from around 30% of world trade to less than 3% by the time the British left.”

*ewf *berdz qkewnt qv kqlowniql kqntrowl iz shuwrli kqrekt, eevqn dhow his blud-n-soil nashqnlizm diznae ofqr mi q *skotlqnd aid want ivqr tae see igzist. bqt dherz q gap in dhis stori: *indiq, *palqstyn, *skotlqnd – dhq kolqnaizd peepql nivqr qgree on anithin, sow dher duwmd tae inaktivqti. *shashi *tharuwrz “*inggloriqs *empair” showz dhis irifyuwtqbli, n dhq *yuwnz huwv riviuwd it qr weein dherselz wi fryt.

bqt hew iz dhis broxt qbewt, hwit koziz dhis fragmqntaeshqn qv indipendens muwvmqnts? if wee nyuw dhat, wee kqd get past it qn muwv on.

Apparently, Scrote believes Biden got 81 million votes.

Another howler.

Marked increase in the Russ Abbot style “see you Jimmy” pish on this site. Not sure if the perpetrators think it makes them pure Scottish btw 🙂

Captain Yossarian says:
13 August, 2023 at 7:11 pm

“Govern the country properly from Holrood for the next 10-years and that is the only route to independence.”

Couldn’t agree more.

The problem with the more radical ‘solutions’ is that they are likely to alienate the soft middle-ground of the electorate who might currently agree in principle with self-determination but who are dissuaded from taking a leap of faith because of the way that the SNP has runs things up to now.

What is so obvious to many of us is that Sturgeon and Swinney made no effort at all to present a convincing case and relied instead on sniping at WM in what was in reality a phoney war.

This suited the Tories because it depressed the Labour vote in Scotland and I cannot help but think that it was all stage-managed to that end.

With SNP income falling to an almost laughable level, Rutherglen falling to Labour, and further scandals on the horizon, Mi5 must have a plan for what happens next, and should 2024 herald a UK Labour government, it will complicate the whole picture as far as indy is concerned.

Tough times ahead. I see Forbes leading the SNP within the next few months and then a push to extend powers rather than any zealous pursuit of indyref2.

Depressing.

The summer of independence hasn’t delivered any new initiatives, so they are having to defend criticisms.

Won’t deliver m(any) converts.

When you step back and look at the bigger picture in Scottish politics you realise that there’s not one Scottish independence party at Holyrood even though around half the population support dissolving the union, and countless mandates to fulfill it have been given by the electorate to the SNP under Sturgeon do just that.

Think about that for a second, around half the population wants out of the union but they have no voice at Holyrood, for every party is now a party for the union or the status quo, which is in essence (with the current SNP in mind) to remain in the union.

There is no «case» for independence, only a aging status quo might see things that way. There is a «case» for dissolving the British state, a case >300 years in the making with adequate support data even in the fabulous «ripping yarn» histories of the entity.
The much hyped economic case for staying put looks increasing like something confected by silly season media.
Functionally, there is now no need for the United Kingdom and in Scotland’s perspective, with the benefit of hindsight, probably never was.
Scotland is as much British aka English as Algeria was French. A thin veneer once
sufficiently distressed liable to be easily wiped away.
Stronger together, economically sound, respected, secure, kith n kin etc will all disappear in the wash. All you need is an efficient detergent alias political force.

The foreign government (consecutive ones) in England just can’t afford to let Scotland go, this is why our parties at Holyrood have been utterly compromised. We all know that the Lib/Dems Labour and the Tories are nothing more than branch offices of their London HQs which is situated in a foreign country, and they take orders from the HQ’s in the foreign country, as Martin Campbell points out below.

“During ‘the troubles’ in the north of Ireland, the British State had infiltrated the IRA to such an extent that one its agents was a man called Freddie Scapiticci, codenamed ‘Steaknife’. Scapiticci was the IRA’s Head of Internal Security, and he was an MI5 agent.

In the 1970s, when British governments feared powerful trade unions, particularly the National Union of Mineworkers, a Special Branch agent was a man called Joe Gormley: he was the National President of the Mineworkers Union. You can’t get higher than National President, and he was a Special Branch asset.

In the bitter, year-long Miners’ Strike of 1984-85, papers prepared for then Tory Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher showed MI5 were receiving reports from one of their agents called Roger Windsor. Windsor was the Chief Executive of the NUM.”

Our supposedly independence minded parties at Holyrood have been totally compromised that’s why we are still trapped in this prison of a union, our foreign neighbour has experience and a history of suppressing matters such as these.

The Greens and the SNP since Alex Salmond stood down as SNP leader have done nothing to bring independence to Scots simply because both parties are compromised at the top, a vote for either party is a vote for the status quo, a vote for the Lib/Dems Labour or the Tories at Holyrood is a vote to roll back devolution and the eventual dissolving of our parliament.

As I said in my previous comment almost half the population in Scotland that wants to dissolve the union are now politically homeless because there is no Scottish independence party at Holyrood yet.

Its time to vote for the Alba party in GE’s and at Holyrood elections, expect the our foreign (England) neighbours security service to try and infiltrate Alba, if they haven’t already done so.

This is why the 50+1% result in whatever turnout at Holyrood or Westminster elections is so important 50+1% and we declare independence no ifs, no buts.

A little bit more from Martin Campbell who realises that our political parties and police force have been compromised.

“Recently, I spoke with a senior serving-officer of Police Scotland. They spoke on condition of anonymity and stated there were some questions they would not answer.

I started the interview with the core question: has Police Scotland infiltrated the SNP? The officer replied that they could not answer that question. Before I said anything more, the officer added, ‘Although, by giving that answer, I have probably told you what you want to know’.

Police Scotland does not actually have a Special Branch, but if you press them on the matter, they do admit to having officers who carry out duties that are normally associated with the work of a Special Branch.

No-one who sees Scotland as a progressive, potentially independent country, could have signed their name to such a grovelling letter to the pinnacle of the English/British establishment. To also see Nicola and then Humza Yousaf bow their heads to the English King confirmed the total capture of the SNP by the British State.”

There can be no question that the SNP has been infiltrated at the very top, how else could you explain the lack of movement on the indyfront since 2014, nearly ten years on, and we’ve not moved one inch closer to dissolving this union.

How else could you explain the fit up of prominent independence bloggers and supporters such as Alex Salmond, Craig Murray Mark Hirst and David Lewellyn.

A recap there are no indy minded parties at Holyrood the ones that were for independence have been captured at the top and now just talk about delivering independence to win your vote, and we can expect the same from Police Scotland and the COPFS.

Scottish bodies such as the above along with Scottish universities and many the pubic/civil bodies have been extensively infiltrated by as Martin Campbell calls them.

“The acronym for those reasons is M-I-C-E (Mice), which stands for: M – money; I – ideology; C- compromise; and E – ego. Compromise is, essentially, blackmail.”

“Are four accepted reasons for why people betray a cause.”

Long long before he “makes an economic case” he needs to show that an Alba administration is capable of showing competence in governance. I think he can do that.

He needs to persuade us that if he puts out a tender for two ferries and receives a fixed price bid of £75M, which is accompanied by a fully funded Performnce Gurantee Bond from a shipyard which has proven that they can build two such ships simultaneously on time and on budget, that he will not give the contract to a lame duck yard for £95M and that the contract will be adminstered in such a way as not to cause a five year schedule overrun and a cost overrun of 250% of the contract value.

He needs to prove that when a pledge is made to upgrade the A9 to full dual carriageway all the way from Broxden to Inverness, that the pledge will be honoured and that he and his people will not lie in the manner of Sturgeon and Youseless.

He needs to prove that can reverse the decline in Scottish education.

He needs to prove that he can reverse the increases in hospital waiting times.

He needs to prove that he would not do a very grubby deal with the likes of Greensill/Cameron//Gupta in which Gupta got given a free aluminium smelter and a pair of hydroelectric stations and half the Northern slop of the highest mountain, while saddling the Scottish public purse with potential debt liabilities of hundreds of millions if Gupta defaults on his debt obligations at any time in the next few decades.

He needs to convince his membership, and others, that his claimed membership numbers are something other than a fraudulent lie.

He needs to disconnect the role of Chief Prosecutor from that of Cabinet Minister.

He needs to affirm that people with XX chromosome pairs are female and that people with XY chromosome pairs are male and he needs to pledge that he will never consider or contemplate putting convicted rapists in a women’s prisons

He needs to do all of these things, and much much more, before he can even contemplate reneging on his signed pledge that the Referendum which he lost so spectacularly lost in 2014 was “once in a lifetime”.

Scroggie – He also needs to re-set our civil service and legal profession so that they do not behave like an unaccountable gang answerable only to the FM. Also, re-set the Press so that they are not afraid to investigate malfeasance.

Can Alex Salmond do all that? No, I reckon the rot is too deep and he doesn’t even want to try. Sturgeon and Swinney have had more than long enough to wreck Scotland and not even Salmond and MacAskill can sort it all out now.

I’m expecting Operation Branchform to be a watershed moment in Scottish history. It will be as shameful to us as the Fabiani Inquiry and Salmond’s trial. All of it Scot on Scot putrid tribal behaviour.

“his signed pledge that the Referendum which he lost so spectacularly lost in 2014 was “once in a lifetime”.”

Attention staff! Effluent clean up team required on aisle 5, effluent clean up team to aisle 5. Thank you.

Source?

@ Scrotie 4.31pm I would agree with your requests and demands and quite honestly I would demand MORE, BUT Scrotie your DEMANDS for us to attain independence surely must be echoed and matched by all you unionists insisting we are all better together
TBQH I can’t be bothered listing all the total fuckwittery , incompetence , corruption , perversions and paedophilia committed by the unionist parties the list has been posted on here numerous times , but maybe you start by explaining how we are all better off and happy being part of this union ,without being facetious maybe happy John main can help you with showing us the fucking money and how we will all financially benefit by being better together , because quite honestly there seems to be an awful lot of engerlish people flooding into Scotland for a better life, are they to be considered economic migrants

Yossa @ 5.05pm you are absolutely correct, I must admit the engerlish civil service and legal profession are so much more better than the Scottish one, there are never any queues when you try to get HMRC on the phone you get through right away, if you phone for a passport you can get a brand new one with a new colour and fancy gilding made in Poland and you can get it almost instantly,you can then use your new passport which is the envy of the WORLD to instantly, because there are no queues jump on a ferry and be whisked away abroad ,the legal profession even allows and believe it or not actually ENCOURAGES the unionist government to breech international law and treaties
YEH you’re right Yossa it is shite being Scottish and living in this shitey country , it just shows how stupid these engerlish bampots are rushing up here to live in this shitey country , what are they thinking

Johnlm 9.49

Chas does not detest all Wings contributors.

He does have a dislike for the boring ones who post the same repetitive shite day after day-RoS, Che Baird amongst others. Also the hard of thinking ones like your goodself, Robertkknight etc etc who think that anyone who does not share their warped, infantile points of view is a Unionist and a troll-yet they never answer a direct question.

Round and round we go-day after day.

I often wonder what a new reader to Wings, who is not averse to Independence, thinks, when he reads some of the posts on here. I suspect that his/her second visit to the site would be the last.

I wise man once said it is possible to win an argument/debate with a genius but you have no chance versus an idiot.

The English propaganda machines Scottish outpost the BBC in Scotland bumming up oor ain wee colonies hosting of the UCI, the BBC’s propaganda lickspittle news progamme trying to give us wee colonial Scots that feel good factor, to take our minds of the fact that the foreign country of England holds most of the Scottish reins which is utterly detrimental to most Scots.

Thank f*ck the UCI is over, no more English commentors telling me about my home town, no more Butcher’s Aprons on display, no more outrageous traffic jams, and no more mentions of Great Britain, one wonders if all the tourists who came from abroad for this cycling event realise that many Scots loathe the word British and the British flag, infact anything British is a real turn off in my book.

Down with this prison of a union.