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A thing that isn’t true

Posted on July 08, 2014 by

To be honest, readers, when we’re busy, which is always, we have a tendency to stop reading newspaper stories by the time they get to the quote from a “Better Together” or UK government spokesman. It’s not exactly tricky to predict what they’re going to say, and in the case of the former it’ll usually be some boorish, juvenile sneer that just makes us depressed.


But last night we happened to get all the way to the end of a Scotsman article (we were surprised too), and noticed something that was a more blatant lie than usual.

It was a piece on the £300,000 of unpublished polling that Westminster has done on the referendum but doesn’t think the taxpayers who paid for it have any right to know the results of. And the Secretary of State for Portsmouth, Alistair Carmichael, had a new excuse lined up.

“You know the rules as well as I do on publication of polling information, if you publish any of it you publish all of it. We’ve published none of it, we will continue to do so. That was work that was done to inform Government policy.”

The problem is, we’ve commissioned several opinion polls and we DO know the rules, and they’re not what Mr Carmichael claims they are.

What the British Polling Council stipulates as a condition of membership is that if you release the result of any particular question, you have to release all of the data for that one question within 48 hours.

So if, for example, you’ve polled the referendum question and you’ve let it be known that the results were 48% Yes 52% No, you have to release the full breakdown of those figures – what the percentages were for men and women, what they were for SNP, Labour, Tory and Lib Dem voters, for the various age groups and so on.

What you DON’T have to do is release the results for any other questions you asked in that poll. If you asked the referendum question and also asked people if they thought Alistair Carmichael looked like Bungle from Rainbow in an ill-fitting suit, you DON’T have to release the results from that question just because you released the ones from the referendum question.

Nobody would ever commission opinion polls if releasing ANY data meant you had to release ALL the data. If you ask 10 questions and don’t like the result from two of them, you’re perfectly at liberty only to publish the results of the other eight.

Alistair Carmichael is either deliberately not telling the truth – and his comments were actually made before a Holyrood committee, so that’d be quite a serious matter – or he’s a bumbling oaf who doesn’t have the remotest clue what he’s doing. (It could, we must acknowledge, be both.)

As usual, readers can come to their own conclusion.

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  1. Bugger (the Panda) says:

    I am beginning to think that this Carmichael man is not obfuscating or being particularly devious.

    He just cannot remember what his Spad / Political Adviser / Spin Doctor has told him.

    He needs 10 brain proteins assayed.

  2. Turnip_ghost says:

    I’m thinking he just doesn’t have a clue. Simple. Like him.

    Unless, of course, someone had the opportunity to ask him again and see what his response would be.

  3. Drew says:

    “Bumbling oaf” doesn’t begin to describe him

  4. ferrymckenzie says:

    I read this overnight in someone’s blog – your erudite friend the Peat Worrier perhaps. I hadn’t realised it was from a Scotsman article, nor was I aware of the applicable law. This is indeed a serious issue, notwithstanding the Portsmouth islander’s original profession. Baited breath… Thanks again

  5. kendomacaroonbar says:

    He’s a VERY silly man.

  6. Mike says:

    If there is irrefutable evidence that he lied to an official committee then you should pass the evidence to the appropriate authority and lets watch the piece of excrement squirm.

  7. Murray McCallum says:

    I’m glad Alistair has found happiness and a sense of achievement by demonstrating that he can hold a biscuit to his mouth with his left hand while doing something different with his right hand.

    Multi-skilling right there.

  8. Dan Huil says:

    “Bumbling oaf”? At the end of Dickens’ “Oliver Twist” Mr Bumble has become destitute and is forced to live in the same workhouse where he used to lord it over others.
    Poetic justice. Prosaic too, I hope.

  9. Rosa Alba Macdonald says:

    I wrote an email to my Lib Dem knighted MP about the polls and sharing the data. No reply.

  10. heedtracker says:

    Another blatant ukok liar. How many of these liars are going to strut their stuff before polling day but the hootsman is probably the worst out there, just behind the BBC in Scotland.

  11. Ken500 says:

    What an image. Stop trying to scare the natives

    Ally Bally – ‘Polls what Polls ‘ £300,000 into a mate’s pocket. The only reason not to publish. A negative response.

  12. Mike Heinemeier says:


    I changed just 2 words in the following quote. Can you spot them?


    The words were ‘PRESIDENCY’ for PARLIAMENT and ‘AMERICA’ for SCOTLAND.
    Quoted from a plaque in the Reagan Library.

  13. No no no...yes says:

    Carmichael is a liability, which is great for the Yes cause.

    I’m sure when the Scottish Govt read this they will invite him to clarify his statement.

    Carmichael,along with Danny Alexander and Ali Darling are all proud Scots that are being used by the Tories as the fall Guys. Why is there no leading female in Better Together?

  14. Ken MacColl says:

    Surely by now it has been firmly established that the LIE is the default position of the NO campaign, continuing a noble British Government tradition along with deceit and withheld information.
    When all the established UK parties close ranks and go along with this how can we be surprised at the can of worms that emerges from accounts of Expenses Fiddles, where six patsies were jailed, Telephone Tapping, where the tabloid press consider themselves exonerated, and the latest sordid tales coming to light about child molestation? Does anyone seriously believe that any one other than the gross but safely deceased, Sir Cyril Smith will end up in the dock?

  15. BrianW says:

    I’m just waiting for him to do that thing that kids do.

    “We know something that you don’t, na, na, na, na..”

  16. Stevie says:

    ‘Bruiser’ Carmichael (don’t laugh) is in the bumbling oaf category but by virtue of his desire to pass off the BritNat lies and spiel as facts shows he’s a sneaky little sht too. So, both.

  17. Stevie says:

    Why am I on moderation?

  18. yerkitbreeks says:

    Ah, rules and assertions, all very spoiling for us simpletons.

    There are some useful clarifications about, such as this new one on European accession for Scotland :

  19. Grant says:

    Alistair Carmichael sold his sole to Westminster years ago.
    “The fact of the matter is” he lies.

  20. Morag says:

    Baited breath, sold his sole – we’re having a field day here, guys!

  21. Why am i not surprised that there are more lies a deceit from Better Together?

  22. Bugger (the Panda) says:


    Nice one.

    He is a bit of a flounder.


  23. Morag says:

    Or maybe a day’s fishing…. If I was clever I could work a Salmond/Sturgeon joke in as well.

  24. john king says:

    I still think he looks like Selwyn Froggett.

  25. Nana Smith says:

    I wonder if its too late to send him into orbit along with Scotland’s first space satellite. After all he’s such a comedy star!

  26. proudscot says:

    In response to “no no no … yes”, I suppose Maggie Sterrheid Rammy Curran could possibly be counted as a “leading” female Labour politician on the NO side. No matter how relentlessly negative her rhetoric is, she is after all the “Shadow Scottish Secretary”.

  27. mogabee says:

    Ali has been at Westminster long enough so should know the rules, he is either “mistaken” or thinks he can pull the wool over the “wee pretendy parliament”.

  28. Bugger (the Panda) says:

    No no no…yes says:

    “Why is there no leading female in Better Together?”

    Well, there is Johan Lamont, Maggie Curran, Jackie Baillie

    Oh, I see what you mean.


  29. Martin says:

    And in the shadows she must stay.

  30. Helena Brown says:

    Shall we see him in the dock with Andy Coulson, after all perjury is considered seriously. Well maybe not by our well protected politicians.

  31. Molly says:

    Last year I attended the Festival of politics and someone remarked in the defence debate Jim Murphy was not even prepared. It was all done on the hoof

    Alistair Carmichael gives the impression he does the same, basically makes it up as he goes along, safe in the knowledge no media will give what he says any scrutiny.

    What contempt for the public and more so if you vote No based on stuff made up on the spur of the moment.

  32. Stevie says:

    I donated to this site and my comments are always within the tone of the site. If this continues, I won’t donate any more, neither will I bother sharing your articles on my pages and groups.

  33. galamcennalath says:

    Echoing proudscots point about BT women, they do Curran and Lamont. However they are not exactly leading, are they.

    It is a good point about the general lack of BT women. The extent to whether an organisation has good gender balance tells you quite a lot about it. Just look at historical examples of other male dominated groups.

  34. HandandShrimp says:

    I think Alistair is probably a decent enough bloke…so I’m going with he simply hasn’t a clue what he is talking about.

  35. caz-m says:

    Team Work.

    Good to see that Newsnet Scotland and Wings are running this story at the same time.

    “The SNP has written to the Information Commissioner calling for action to be taken to ensure the UK Government publishes the details of its polling on the referendum – after it emerged that the true cost now stands at £300,000.”

  36. Stevie says:

    If you are becoming like Newsnet Scotland then you’ll lose much of the vibe and support. I no longer donate or comment there (like so very many).

  37. Stevie says:

    It’s working now.

  38. G. P. Walrus says:

    “If you ask 10 questions and don’t like the result from two of them, you’re perfectly at liberty only to publish the results of the other eight.”

    So it would seem that, however many questions they asked, they didn’t like the results from any of them.

  39. Bugger (the Panda) says:


    I am getting put in moderation.

    For some reason akismet is bouncing people and Stu does not have a clue why either.

    It isn’t personal.

  40. Dcanmore says:

    It is probably both, however Carmichael is there to be told what to do, he’s just not very good at expiditing it.

    There is only two reasons I can think of about polling data being withheld: one is the obvious not liking the results as they reflect poorly for Better Together No Thanks and the British Government; second is the poll was commissioned just to harvest data to determine what the next Better Together No Thanks tactics should be, by targeting weak areas of the YES campaign that the polling data revealed.

    If the poll did cost £300,000 and say only several questions were asked, then going by the amount, the sample must have been quite large (4000+) to justify the cost and with such a sample something has worried the British Government.

    In any event there is something rotten going on and balloons like Carmichael are ending up being no more than apologists and liars for the government. If they hve nothing else to say then that should be a good indicator that there is real panic behind the scenes.

    It’s not just Carmichael and his Fozzy Bear routine, you just have to look at the actions of Scottish Labour as being the real indicator. Taking the ‘fact’ that we’re supposed to believe that the unionists are 20 points ahead in the polls with a few short weeks to go. So why the nastiness? Why running to right-wing newspapers to get ludicrous articles published? Why the battle bus traveling up and down the country? Why go to the trouble of wheeling out all and sundry to speak against independence? Why so much lobbying business to get money donated to Better Together? Why such a large media campaign? Why the rebranding of Better Together and the re-launching of United with Labour? Why is the YES movement not just simply ignored if they feel they are going to win by a two-thirds majority?

    There is something wrong of course, it’s lies and always has been from the beginning. They don’t believe in what they say and they don’t believe in the skewed polls. The government polling information was circulated and a horror show was predicted for them. So a ramping up is required, take to the roads and attack the SNP/First Minister as nasty as possible and use all your friends in the media for maximum exploitation in delivering certain messages (most recently bullying and nazism).

    The unionists have to do two things to win, they need the core Labour vote to rise up and be counted and they need a low turnout because that’s how Labour have hung on in recent by-elections.

    What everyone should do at this stage is check to see you are on the voting register, just in case something sneaky has happened and you need to re-register but you don’t realise it. Expect the ‘dark arts’ being applied by the NO campaign from now on as happened in the ’79 referendum.

  41. Geoff Huijer says:

    This continual lying and getting away with it, the biased media, people who suck up all the misinformation, and the Labourite (Tory in a poor disguise) hatred of Alex Salmond (which means they will Vote No; WTF!) is seriously getting me down.

    How can people be given a chance to change the status quo and not even look into it? Especially with the track record Westminster has?

    If we get a No vote I seriously do not know what I will do; to have no hope of the future. Westminster will have taken away any hope, and done it by hoodwinking the people.

    Yesterday we saw a guy proudly proclaiming he wasn’t a Thatcherite and had ‘never voted Tory & never will’ and yet he would obviously (being a No) happily vote to continue a system that regularly gives us Tory Rule rather than for the chance to end (for the forseeable future) Tory Governments. I just don’t understand.

  42. Bugger (the Panda) says:

    No no no…yes says:

    “Why is there no leading female in Better Together?”

    Well, there is Johan Lamont, Maggie Curran, Jackie Baillie

    Oh, I see what you mean.


  43. Bugger (the Panda) says:


    Now you can copy the moderated comments, which you can see and we cannot and then paste in a new post.

    Worked for me.

  44. Bugger (the Panda) says:

    now I am back in moderation.


  45. The Rough Bounds says:

    Grant 10.43

    Reminds me of the joke about the bloke who walked into a shoe shop and asked if they do ‘stick-on soles’.

    No, was the answer, try the Salvation Army for that.

  46. Jim Thomson says:

    Failed post – just checking

  47. velofello says:

    Anyone prepared to have a photo taken like that of themselves and knowing that it will be published is a fool.

    A bit O/T, but on the topic of photos. Today’s i paper has an interview with Ali Darling and with a nice big photo of him. Yesterday’s i paper had an article by FM Alex Salmon, with a postage stamp sized photo of him, and a large photo of PM Davy Cameron.

    Reminds me of the Herald’s campaign for Jim Murphy some years back before it went all wrong for Labour – Jim Murphy playing fitba’. Jim Murphy playing fitba’, again. Jim Murphy campaigning, smiling – big colour photo -arm in arm with Mags Curran. And postage stamps photos of Alex Salmon and Nicola Sturgeon, In black and white and caught “off camera” so no big cheesy happy camera smiles.

  48. Dan Huil says:

    I’m sure the Daily Record will [OO] rally behind Mr Carmichael – shortbread and circuses.

  49. Jim Thomson says:

    Try again then …

    The Scottish Government website has a closing consultation on election processes and you have until this Friday (11th) to help shape the way we try to control these potentially dodgy people in the future.

  50. heedtracker says:

    Also interesting is how just how much the Hootsman is used by vote no campers attacking Scotland and Scottish democracy. My Slovene girlfriend, a Professor Aliesbadas Tomkins farts out hootsman raging vote naw facts n stats all the time across the internet from Slovenia, actually a study, in a law dept, in a fine example of Victorian gothic architecture, somewhere in Glasgowxxx

  51. macart763m says:

    Help him Rhona.

    He needs it.

  52. Doug Daniel says:

    “If you asked the referendum question and also asked people if they thought Alistair Carmichael looked like Bungle from Rainbow in an ill-fitting suit, you DON’T have to release the results from that question just because you released the ones from the referendum question.”

    He’s not quite hairy enough.

    (Nike air)

  53. kalmar says:

    @Stevie – who or what are you referring to? I don’t get it.

  54. ronnie anderson says:

    @ Grant.( Carmicheil sold his sole ) diz that make him

    ah Dover Sole, how do you make tempura batter.

  55. Bugger (the Panda) says:

    try try again

  56. ronnie anderson says:

    Is that them changed their name to Battered Together,

    Cod almighty.

  57. No no no...yes says:

    Women in Better Together:

    All those quoted are SLAB and Stobart’s lorries are more articulate than them.

    What I meant was women from the formal organisation of Better Together. It appears to be male dominated, so much for diversity and equality. Grey men, grey message, switch off, job done.

    What about Ruth D. Or one of the other Tory MSP’s trying to tell us we are all bettertogether. That’ll motivate us…

  58. Grant says:

    @ronnie anderson
    Well I guess he is a fat fish.
    Case of dyslexia, sorry, I mean soul.

  59. Jim Thomson says:

    @kalmar 11:16

    I get the impression Stevie tried to post something and the gremlins ate it before it appeared. I had a similar problem about the same time.

    He seems to have jumped to the conclusion that he was being censored.

  60. I’m more p*ssed off that somebody told us the ending to Oliver Twist on this thread. I haven’t read it yet. Just great. Didn’t come on here expecting to get my book-reading enjoyment spoiled. 🙁 Know the score from Brazil v Germany tonight as well do you?

    As for Carbuncle, he’s a tool and history on September 19th.

  61. Dan Huil says:

    how do you make tempura batter?

    First: remove the wrapper from the Mars Bar

  62. Dan Huil says:

    @ Dave Beveridge

    Sorry Dave. A Tale of Two Cities is a better read.

  63. stonefree says:

    kendomacaroonbar says:
    8 July, 2014 at 10:04 am

    He’s a VERY silly man.
    How true,does it worry no one that this was a Prosecutor Fiscal,where one in training (at least) had to read and understand Law and Rules

  64. Jim Thomson says:

    O/T – looks like the money boys think that manufacturing in the UK is still important.

    GBP vs Euro

    GBP vs USD

    and that ties in with the report time here

    There is still a wee up-kick afterwards though, as they realise they can still work the markets to their own advantage. Unless, of course, there’s some positive news there as well that I can’t see.

  65. Jim Thomson says:


    I’m always aghast at the dire grasp of basic grammar that nearly all of our “representatives” have.

    If they can’t string a coherent sentence together, how can we expect them to understand and construct viable laws. Which is, pretty much, the point you make about PF training.

  66. ronnie anderson says:

    @ Grant 11.25 soon to be a bottom feeder on the 19th Sept

    he’s swimin wie dey fishes, whits the price of a metre of


  67. Dave McEwan Hill says:

    The consensus on the street is that Alistair Carmichael is a buffoon, a sentiment shared I am sure by many on his own team, so I would be inclined to ignore anything about him. It is very obvious he is no longer being used as the Better Together front man.

    Bigger threat is Jim “Look at me, I’m playing football” Murphy though he is heartily disliked by many in his own party. The more we see Jim the less anybody is impressed.

    I am becoming quite concerned by the degree of naivety shown by many of our supporters. Some seem to think that the Sunday Herald should publish as a YES leaflet which would of course completely undermine anything it printed.

    Others think that we are falling to a NO vote “because all the papers say so” and are becoming disheartened. As if the papers would say anything else!
    They are doing exactly as all the papers and Better Together want. That is the unionist trap and they are falling into it. There is no evidence to suggest the NO vote is improving. But if they can blunt the enthusiasm of the YES army that is what they will do.

    The YES Team know when to ramp up the game. It is from mid tolate August onwards. Lots of stuff is under wraps

  68. Bugger (the Panda) says:

    Grant says:
    8 July, 2014 at 11:25 am

    @ronnie anderson

    I preferred sole

  69. ronnie anderson says:

    @ Dan Huil. Steady there that man,are you aware that am getting back on ma feet in over a year, Mars Bars ur no included in ma diet, i’ll end up the size of Ports-mooth.

  70. macart763m says:

    Hmmm, just a thought like, but the information contained in those polling results was intended to inform HMG specifically according to the minister with pointless portfolio.

    I’m wondering if any of said information was used in HMGs teeny propaganda booklet we all had stuffed through our letterboxes? Or if not used in it was used to inform the team who put that piece of dross together?

  71. Bugger (the Panda) says:

    It would have to be

    Dover House Sole.

  72. heedtracker says:

    “Nats step up bid to expose poll results” is vote no headline from press and journal Pulitzer Prize winners this morn, usual crap from this outfit next to huge story on “Yes campaign condemns paint vandals” as some dope sprayed vote yes on a queen Victoria statue and they give it twice detail/space just to make sure. For a local rag, P&J is pretty sophisticated teamGB propaganda paper. eg. “The presence of graffiti gives rise to feelings of upset and alarm and the recent examples are adding to a real sense of unease about the growth of disorderly conduct, and it’s all AlicSamins fault so,vote no”

  73. ronnie anderson says:

    @ Bugger T P, & Grant, ah canny afford the sole, i’ll jist hiv tae suck the lemon.

  74. The Man in the Jar says:

    Anyone watch “Trollhunter” on film4 the other night? Its a Norwegian language film (subtitled in English)a cross between “Blair witch Project” and “Sesame St.” I found it quite amusing. The trolls looked familiar. Just like Mr Carmichael our SoS.

    One disappointment though. No mention of norsewarrior or longshanker. 😉

  75. Luigi says:

    On the subject of Rainbow, perhaps all politicians should be fitted with zips for mouths.

    [You have to belong to a certain age group to get it!]

  76. Jace says:

    Can’t the polls be requested under FOIA?

  77. heedtracker says:

    That eight hundred thousand quid vote no pamphlet never came to our area of Aberdeen but it’s a solid Tory voting burb in a Labour/SNP constituency. So they probably spent marketing money targeting specific patches in SNP and Labour areas, unless it still in the post. This kind of UKOK blast usually gets blanket coverage from press and journal, stv etc.

  78. bluedog says:

    yerkitbreeks @ 10:43 says:

    ‘There are some useful clarifications about, such as this new one on European accession for Scotland.’

    A legal opinion isn’t a clarification, it’s a series of assertions that can only be tested in court. The EU legal team, the UK legal team and EU officials take an opposing view to Shona D-S with regard to Scottish membership. It follows that if Scotland secedes and demands EU membership as of right, its bid to join the EU may be bogged down in protracted court hearings. Trying to join a club by suing the membership is possibly unwise and may be doomed to failure. Happy to be proved wrong.

    Remind me, has the First Minister offered a referendum yet to confirm electoral support for Scottish membership of the EU?

  79. ronnie anderson says:

    @Heedtracker, cant comment on P&J keeps comeing up error,

    but its a Big assumption that it is Yes campainers, are the NO camp not involved in dirty tricks.

  80. ronnie anderson says:

    Anybody want tae buy a Kerry Bluedug gon cheep cheep cheep

  81. beachthistle says:

    “Why is there no leading female in Better Together?”

    We shouldn’t forget that Betters Together’s application to be the lead campaigning entity for ‘No’ was signed by a woman, Kate/Catherine Watson, BT’s “Director of Operations”

    which, if the CBI and Electoral Commission were right about the rules, must be a very senior position…

    …even if it is a only part-time one, as she is also employed by Wee Dougie in his Shadow Foreign Secretary’s office in London,

    which must also be fine with the Electoral Commission, or they would have said something…

  82. Capella says:

    @ ronnie anderson says 12:23
    “Anybody want tae buy a Kerry Bluedug gon cheep cheep cheep”
    No thanks Ronnie, I don’t like the tone.

  83. frankieboy says:

    Was he not introduced as a ‘bruiser’ and a ‘beast’ politician when he first got the job? The only beast about him is the doing he is giving to those biscuits.

  84. Ken500 says:

    @ Stevie

    Don’t call people names or mention Jackie B, Monarchy, China or Saudi. Hits a filter.

  85. Jamie Arriere says:

    Oaf? Is that an abbreviation of oaffurf*cksake? Cos it’s my reaction every time I hear him speak.

  86. Ken500 says:

    Eh. Post should not have got through?

  87. No no no...Yes says:

    @ beachthistle

    Good find. To be clear I was meaning why is there not a BT women leading the debate, doing interviews,etc..

  88. Jamie Arriere says:

    I wonder if they’ve hidden these polls away under the 30-year restriction a la McCrone.

  89. a2 says:

    To be fair that does say “You know the rules as well as I do” not “I know the rules”.

    That’s something different and gives an insight into why he thinks he can mislead the public and make stuff up.

  90. Chic McGregor says:

    In the interest of balance… well, kinda.

  91. Derek M says:

    @frankieboy yea he was going to be BT,s attack dog big bold and nobody would shout him down ,that was until he met Nicola and got well and truly destroyed “help me Rhona she`s asking me all sorts of questions and i cant answer any all i can do is mumble pish boo hoo i want my mammy”
    Is it just me or was sacking Moore one of the worst mistakes BT have made,i know he was playing the tory card but he was doing a better job of it than all the other buffoons,which makes me wonder why they did get rid off him was it because he would only lie so much as he actually has a conscience?

  92. Those who buy MSM must expect to be hoodwinked but they must always remember that every time they pay for MSM they are contributing to the downfall of their own beliefs.

    When you cannot buy the BT arguments that are depicting blatant lies and obfuscation – it must be an act of lunacy to then go to a newsagents and pay for pit-props that support BT and Darling.

    Let the tories BRIBE Darling and BT but ensure the money for bribes are solely from tories and Rowling.

    Signally, the collapse of MSM readership and viewing figures have become another secret saw that is ripping apart the shareholders investments and their profits.

    Speaking for myself (and probably many others) – I can vividly recall the sense of utter despair and despondency in 1979 when that rigged referendum result was published and the despicable ” 40 per cent rule” robbed us of Freedom, despite the fact that Independence had a Majority at over 77,000.

    The major difference this time around – is this website – Wings over Scotland – and other websites where real info can be distributed across all levels of Scottish society and all levels of curiousity.

    Who in Scotland wants to get rid of the House of Lards?
    Who in Scotland wants Trident Weapons of Mass Destruction?
    Who wants a PASSPORT in Scotland – not from Belfast?
    Who wants our Ancient Scottish Borders controlled by Scots instead of being controlled by Belfast?
    Who, in SCOTLAND is willing to pay tax to build a brand new RAF Base in Ulster – after RAF Leuchars is closed in December 2014.?
    Leaving only RAF Lossiemouth to protect us?
    Who wants to return 6,250 square miles of Scotland`s Ancient Inshore Fisheries on the North Sea from England?
    (WE can salute Blair and Brown for that in 1999)

    Via an act of utter treachery in 2007 (after SNP WON Minority Govt) Brown spitefully shifted Passport Processing from Glasgow to Belfast — on the 300th ANNIVERSARY of the Act of Union of 1707.

    187 x workers made redundant at Glasgow Passport Office.

    None of the above is ” On Offer ” from BamCam,Clegg or Mibbeland – and all three know that Darling can only “DAE what they have telt him”. What`s new there.

    Gladly is the cross eyed bear(sorry)

    “GLADLY” is the cross I`d bear, but only the Saltire – and – on Sept.18th 2014 I will proudly mark my ballot with a signal Saltire.

  93. macart763m says:

    The rules of FRIGHT CLUB

    1st RULE: You do not talk about FRIGHT CLUB.

    2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about FRIGHT CLUB.

    3rd RULE: If someone says “stop” or points out the fecking obvious, taps out the fright is over.

    4th RULE: Only two quotes to a fright.

    5th RULE: One fright at a time.

    6th RULE: No facts, no corroboration.

    7th RULE: Frights will go on as long as they have to.

    8th RULE: If this is your first time at FRIGHT CLUB, you HAVE to avoid asking the referee for help.

  94. snowmcnair says:

    @ Dan Huil

    What happened to the spoiler alert for Oliver Twist! Another bruiser will be humbled!

  95. Harry McAye says:


    I don’t know if this has been mentioned on Wings but there is a fantastic article from a young woman called Lauren Reid on weegingerdug about her journey from hardened No to passionate Yes. I think it is the one outstanding piece to reference in any discussion with any young folk we come across who say they are voting No because (a) They are proud protestants (b) Rangers fans or (c) both. Or even to mention to any young females, three of whom I encountered yesterday in Burnbank who, as a bit of a laugh, in unison said loudly that they were voting No as they passed the Yes campaigners waiting for Jim Murphy to show up. I’m the wrong age to be accosting young lassies but it might be something some of our female campaigners to keep in mind. Here’s the link.

    Google Lauren Reid, weegingerdug

  96. Grant says:

    These comments, cheered me up today.

  97. Footsoldier says:

    I think the Scottish Parliament has 38 MSP’s. How many of them are commenting on the referendum outside of Holyrood? Johann Lamont must be in hiding as most appearance in the media seem to be from Londen based Labour MP’s.

    It’s about time Labour MSP’s were heard and justify their salaries.

  98. a2 says:

    “Is it just me or was sacking Moore one of the worst mistakes BT have made,i know he was playing the tory card but he was doing a better job of it than all the other buffoons,which makes me wonder why they did get rid off him was it because he would only lie so much as he actually has a conscience?”

    I got the impression that Moore was actually on the turn and probably jacked it in before he started agreeing with yesers publicly. He would have been party to some of the back room sums and felt his conscience bothering him.

  99. Dr Ew says:

    “Bungle in an ill-fitting suit”

    – Did actually l.o.l. when I read this!

    Dougie and Danny Alexander = Zippy and George.

  100. beachthistle says:

    @No no no…Yes

    Aye, I knew you meant that – for which SLab motormooth Kezia DugDaily Mail seems to be the nearest BT have re a frontline woman.

    A reason I posted the example/links of Kate/Catherine Watson being a BT staffer who is also on Wee Dougie’s SLab apparatchik payroll is that BT’s Director of Operations being based in London is interesting when juxtaposed wi anti-Wingers’ ‘based-in-Bath’ jibes…

  101. Derek M says:

    @a2 yea i think you could be right about that he never did strike me as being comfortable in the position he was being asked to purvey ,maybe there is hope for him as he`s not a bad politician just a little misguided ,so if you are reading this Michael get off yer butt and come join us,forget about the lib dems and westminster who sold you down the river and gave this balloon Carmichael your job.

  102. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “Can’t the polls be requested under FOIA?”

    I’m in dialogue with the Information Commissioner.

  103. Dan Huil says:

    Apologies to all about Mr Bumble’s fate.

  104. Andy-B says:

    Steady on Rev, that’s one hell of an insult to bumbling oafs, comparing them to the Secretary of State for anywhere but Scotland, Alistair Carmichael.

    Meanwhile Torcuil Crichton, of the London owned Daily Record, who wants us to stay with the union and the paedophile ridden Westminster, no thanks Torcuil I’d rather watch the no camps latest partners the Orange Order.

    Anyway Torcuil gives kudos to Gordon Browns latest pathetic effort, claiming an independent Scotland would make the power companies even richer, Crichton of course forgets, Ed Miliband was his Energy secertary, and he did nothing to stop the rot, why oh why would anyone take him or Torcuil seriously now.

    Why don’t you do something constructive Torcuil and report more on the missing 100 odd dossiers at Westminster, it would make a change from being Miliband and Browns punchinello.

  105. Robert Peffers says:

    @No no no…yes says: 8 July, 2014 at 10:30 am
    “Why is there no leading female in Better Together?”

    Err! So you claim the leader of the Scottish Tories, Ms Davidson is not a female leader who is also in Better Together?

    That Johann Lamont is not a female leader who is also in better Together?

    That Wee Willie Rennie is not a female lead … oops! Err! Something wrong there.

  106. Robert Peffers says:

    It has to be said – so I’m going to say it.

    That photo up there /|\ is a real photographic classic.
    Fair made my day it did.

    As my old wise Grannie was wont to say about such things, “Jings! Whit a face tae folla a flittin”.

  107. Robert Peffers says:

    Grannie would also almost certainly have added.
    “Yon fairly taks the biscuit”

  108. Tom Foyle says:

    Mike calls him a piece of excrement, which is an unfair, unkind and untrue comparison. I’ve known some fine pieces of excrement. Why, only this morning…never mind.

  109. Andrew says:

    Off topic.

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  110. Brotyboy says:

    @ Andrew

    6 fucking threads!!

    Are you fucking insane?

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