A remarkable feat
So it turns out that this:
…is even more amazing than it initially appears.
Firstly, though we launched at 9.00 yesterday morning, it doesn’t even represent a full day’s total – an Amazon Web Services crash last night saw the entire Indiegogo site down for over an hour, so the above figure is for only 23 hours.
Secondly, despite that it’s still almost £20,000 more than the same period last year.
And lastly, the sum was achieved despite Indiegogo no longer taking donations via PayPal, which means it’s been much more faff for people to donate than just the single click of previous years.
(We’re very miffed about that. As far as we can tell Indiegogo didn’t actually notify us about it, and the first we knew was when people started asking where the button had gone. Sorry, folks – if you want to donate through PP, or via a direct bank transfer which doesn’t have any commission taken out of it, you can do so through our Donate page. You’ll still be eligible for donor perks, but you’ll have to email us and let us know your address and donation reference. Mark your emails “PERKS”.)
We ran out of superlatives for our amazing readers years ago. Although some people are never short of things to say about you:
And your continued support has surprised others:
We know different. But the job isn’t done. Even yesterday’s incredible total is just a fraction of what we really need to effectively combat our millionaire-funded opponents. There’s still over a month left to build the total into a serious fighting fund that’ll terrify Unionists already running scared of the speed with which indyref 2 is approaching.
And as other Twitter trolls love to point out obsessively, the money comes from just a tiny minority of readers actually putting their hands in their pockets.
Imagine what we could do if you proved them wrong too.
Great stuff.
It’s amazing the number of galactic class cuntwits out there willing to throw their money away
Ignorance an lies seem to be the qualifiers for British rule in Scotland.
I hope a few more chip in this time around. We are going to need that fighting fund ready to go.
Thanks for all your efforts Stuart, and all the backroom team too.
As for all you lovely Wingers out there, you’re quite something. Look forward to seeing you all at the coming events this year.
The british establishment is going to throw everything they can at us. They really are running scared. Don’t rise to the bait (and there will be a lot of it) stay cool-headed and let them show themselves up for the small-minded creatures that they are.
Onward and upward.
Colin
The knuckle dragging Twatter Yoons really can’t stand the fact that they will never amount to anything in life, while others are giants amongst mere men.
The pain and mental anguish they feel about being so inferior and irrelevant, really cannot be good for their health. In a way it is quite sad that they have nothing better in the life to do with their time.
Perhaps a “donate the price of a pint” button would help those less well off? Or even just a “donate a quid” button?
Every little helps, to steal a phrase.
And personal insults and rampant misogyny seem to be qualifiers for the independence movement
Mr Thrawn!
£100 just sent to you, Mr Stu. For crisps and biscuits. I will probably regret this ‘investment’ at some point in the future, but that’s the chance I take. I take a chance getting up in the morning, crossing the street, or sticking my face in a fan.
Time for a name change now. What do you think smallaxe?
@Thrawn
You gave me the inspiration to donate. Done.
I think you give the indyref movement a great service Stu. Keep up the good work. As for the extreme yoon detractors best to ignore the morons. I dream of leaving the UK in 2001/2 and have full EU membership by 2003. Then we will see the rUK in a mess as we are on the up.
Well, that’s me signed up for the badges – wish I could have afforded the hat, but I look forward to buying one from the Wings tent at the next Indy rally.
Stu, what do you reckon to Robin McAlpine’s article on Commonspace telling us we are doomed if we go in 2018? It needs commenting on, I feel. The last thing we want if a new campaign does kick off soon is half of us thinking we are doomed from the start.
Thrawn. Your right. I am a total cu#*wit who will now donate a further £10 to Wings for medical reasons.
Wings is the only cure I know for sickness such as you.
It’s remarkable that the critics can’t detract from the obvious huge support for Stu and WoS, but instead try to make capital out of the fact that not EVERY reader donates.
Although, if everyone donated £10 that would be 10 x 300,000 which would make …
I’ve already donated but would be happy to chip in again towards WBBs, leaflets, posters, stickers etc for a campaign.
Thrawn says:
1 March, 2017 at 9:50 am
“galactic class cuntwits”
Thrawn says:
1 March, 2017 at 10:03 am
“And personal insults…seem to be qualifiers for the independence movement”
Irony and the concept of hypocrisy obviously lost on you.
@ Reluctant Nationalist
Wow…if a bit of blatant misogyny is all what it took for you to move from reluctant to committed then the fanationalist cause is welcome to you and your money..
Well done Stu, I’m thinking there will be many more donations after the guardian article and especially now Cochrane’s wifey has written in the courier. That’s another two fake ‘news’papers of my watch list.
@9.50am Deary me such venom is not good for you, can raise the blood pressure to dangerously high levels. Take care of yourself.
@ Johnny
oh johnny…poor johnny…it was almost too easy…you should get your coat
link to twitter.com
Contributed. Only perk required is the raise in blood pressure of the likes of Hothersall.
Thanks for the motivational comments Thrawn. Donation duly made.
You are not “thrawn” – you are bitter. Bad for your health you know!
@ Capella: “Although, if everyone donated £10 that would be 10 x 300,000…”
If that happens I want £90 back.
Humbug!
For what it’s worth you’re too big a target to fall into blatant bear traps by using intemperate language. Every word you say will be examined to see whether it can be twisted and misrepresented so don’t hand them the bullets.
Donation planned for next payday – remember folks it’s open a month and in that time we could be facing a lot more clarity on any plans for Brexit / NewIndyRef.
& remember if you have a good Banking App, it’s easy to Donate via direct transfer link to wingsoverscotland.com
J
That’s another few quid chucked in for the pot……how’s Duncan’s BP this morning, do we know?
Andy at 1012 – you mentioned being in the RN in the early 60s! Shot in the dark but are you the Andy Anderson who worked with Campbell Allan?
@Thrawn says: 1 March, 2017 at 9:50 am:
“It’s amazing the number of galactic class cuntwits out there willing to throw their money away.”
Indeed, Thrawn, but then you must remember that a goodly portion of Wings readers never comment and they are by no means all independence supporters. Then Wings is like a magnet for idiot Yoon, Loon Goons like yourself.
These are are drawn to Wings in order to get themselves shown as the total clueless numpties they have always been. I cannot recall a single comment by you that was not very easy to not only refute but easy to turn back upon the Unionist blatant British/English, (sic), nationalism, racism and bigotry that it always has been.
Reluctant Nationalist says:
“Time for a name change now. What do you think Smallaxe?”
Reluctant Nationalist it’s time to change
A new name is easy there are many to choose
The list is without end you have nothing to lose
But until you change and your Reluctance does end
I will just call you a Winger and a brand new
FRIEND
🙂
Peace Always
Worth every penny just to read Thrawn’s reactions!
Haha so funny i seen this and funnily i thought of you Davy boy.
link to twitter.com
@Thrawn,
Why not ? You have just described every man and woman who donate as c**twits. Goose and gander etc.
Every time you post I am going to give another £10. I think you are probably very nice,but somewhat excitable and unionist. Good luck with that combination.
@ Thrawn
Whether you think the cause is welcome to my money or not is immaterial. They have it now and there’s nothing I can do about it. Good DAY sir.
@ Reluctant Nationalist – think of it as a down payment on “living in a better nation”.
And by “better” – we don’t mean better than any other nation!
Well, The National in its article about this used a great word: “Pugnacious”. Perhaps we should call you Captain Pugnacious …
Thrawn: no it wasn’t ‘too easy’.
I made no claims as to the purity of the language of Stu or anyone else.
Merely pointed out you whining about language whilst calling other people names.
That’s hypocrisy.
Ya dafty.
Brilliant result — hope heaps more donate. If every YESer gave a £1 we’d have £1.6 million at least!! We’re going to need a million wee blue books this time!!
I won’t be able to donate as big a sum as I did last year but I sure as hell would if I could.
That psflaps troll’s got his knickers in a right old twist about the “1 per cent” thing. What an idiot – he’s obsessed, and yet so fruitlessly ineffectual.
I agree with the reader who suggests a £1 button though – it would create an extra layer of satisfaction for us all on a number of levels! Maybe too late this year as the Indie go go thing is already set up. But a good idea for next year, Stu – when your most excellent site will be needed more than ever!
(Btw, to the above-mentioned troll who reckons Stu’s got “another year at most”, you’re on tae plums, mate. The Rev’s got years of crucial ground-breaking journalism ahead of him yet. His antennae (and crucially, his highly-intelligent and diverse alert readership), will be required in an independent Scotland just as much as they are now.)
However after the Yes vote the Vile Cybernat General will be no doubt taking a few months off on a luxury holiday. Somewhere hidden, far, far away from tbe relentless media bollocks and faux-outraged holier-than-thous. All well-deserved expenses paid, courtesy of us Wingers. Ha.
That is all for the future. In the meantime we all have tons of work to do. We don’t just want a Yes vote, we want a decisive landslide.
Every single individual on this journey is invaluable – whether they can manage a £ or whether they just read, digest, share and discuss with family and friends.
And yes we are entitled to get a wee laugh at the frothing frothiness of apoplectic Unionists. That, for me, is the best perk of all.
“Btw, to the above-mentioned troll who reckons Stu’s got “another year at most”, you’re on tae plums, mate. The Rev’s got years of crucial ground-breaking journalism ahead of him yet.”
(Also, that tweet’s from 2015 and we’re now funded until at least 2018 🙂 )
I notice the Leper from Bella is on the morning shift , it needs food so dont interact with it will go away , and the only remedy is to starve it , i am surprised it hasn’t changed its name yet .
Its easily recognised it spouts pish ALL the time.
Excellent. I think a lot of people will be motivated by the forthcoming campaign, that might’ve seemed like a bit of a pipe dream a year ago.
Regards only a small % contributing. I don’t think it is surprising – the target is reached so quickly that I’d imagine many potential contributors rest easy knowing that their money is not a necessity. Here’s hoping they do so anyway, let’s pull out all the stops this time around.
Divisive British Nationalism…
link to imgur.com
Please just ignore this obvious provocateur.
Would “Thrawn” not be better calling himself “Bitter” – and append anything else he wants?
I see we have a resident idiot on this board now…Why do these people always have a problem with rudimentary punctuation, by the way?
Anyway, Mr Thrawn, that’s an extra tenner to the fund from me, prompted by your imbecilic disdain, on top of the “Hothersall Surcharge” already pledged. Such entertainment is well worth paying for!
I said it years ago bitcoin,you guys need to look into bitcoin it really could be an alternative donations system and sending bitcoin is easy.
It is a source of free revenue if you can tap into it.
oops is my capitalist streak showing lol
@Thrawn says: 1 March, 2017 at 10:03 am:
And personal insults and rampant misogyny seem to be qualifiers for the independence movement.”
Oh! That’s easy to explain, Thrawn.
It is very, very mild in relation to the, “personal insults and rampant misogyny”, that emanates from such Yoonery as the Lords in Westminster, the yoonerisms of such as the comments on, for example the Scotsman, Daily Mail, Daily Express. et al.
Have you ever read the homepage of, Councillor Terry Kelly? Take a look at the outpourings of Brian Spanner, and many, many more unionists who regularly spit out such things as a matter of course on a daily basis.
There is no more racist and nationalistic people in this World than the British, (sic), nationalists and the USAsians they begat. The peculiar thing is not a single one of them, including yourself, seem to realise they are nationalists of the worst possible kind.
Remember too that there are two distinct kinds of nationalism and the idiocy of such as you pointing the finger at the inclusive and outward looking form of nationalism that has not shed a single drop of blood when the UKsian form of nationalism, as we speak, are killing innocent people and they have been doing so for thousands of years.
You do realise, don’t you, that they were slaughtering innocent, non-combatant, people across the Scottish Highlands, in just such a manner, after the Battle of Culloden that happened almost 40m years after the Treaty of Union?
Why cant you and say a tory clown like Severin Carrell just say out loud, do not use bad language in front the ladies, you relentlessly ball aching tosspots?
Thrawn says:
1 March, 2017 at 10:03 am
And personal insults and rampant misogyny seem to be qualifiers for the independence movement
Severin Carrell?Verified account
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Am email arrives from Stuart Campbell @WingsScotland. Apparently I am “a despicable coward”. He who describes women as “cuntwit” on @twitter
From UKOK hackdom that expends endless perving hours pouring over photos of the ladies, trying to get the right pic to work for their creepy as fcuk tory UKOK message.
Great response folks, lets keep it going!
Ordered my badges, wish I could have given more. Anyway, better than a slap on the belly wi’ a wet fish!
Talking of wet fish…. don’t do it folks, don’t engage, leave them blethering to themselves.
Wonderful work from Wings, take care Rev. we need you.
Indigogo keeps telling me my e-mail address is invalid (I don’t do Facebook) How do I fix this?
wonderful. The bitter comments by people determined to stop their country running its own affairs just motivate even more donations. Another one just gone in 🙂
yep Jack it used to frequent Bella , even people their got fed up and told it to GTF , I said a few posts back that the National comment pages was starting to resemble the Scotsman on a bad day I can see the same happening here , I hope the management are noting this increase in attention .
Thrawn says:
1 March, 2017 at 9:50 am
It’s amazing the number of galactic class cuntwits out there willing to throw their money away”…
It’s amazing the number of Brexiteers out there willing to throw their country away, and do it with such class and integrity too….
I hear you’re a racist now, Stu. For….em, suggesting that someone who wrote a load of tosh about Scottish people and failed to declare competing interests might be a dishonest twit.
Apparently that’s how 2017 works.
Money on its way.
Don’t often comment but read Wings every day and I am delighted to contribute to the fighting fund. During indyref1 I saw the difference the WBB made. People read it and made up their minds to vote for independence. Some folk I know even changed their minds from a No to a Yes. I hope something similar can be put together and distributed widely before indyref2. Also love the No to Yes videos that are on the go and wish they could be on mainstream TV.
Just donated £10 by Paypal to save the Indigogo commission. Too late to help you reach the target but I hope it will go some way to you getting double. Keep up the good work, it is appreciated.
1% of readers? I think it’s rather more than that. Consider.
I access Wings on three separate devices – my own computer, my office computer and my phone. I believe the system counts that as three separate readers. Some people will use fewer devices but some will use more, and I don’t think we have the data to know what the multiplyer should be.
OK, this all means that the “readership” numbers are inevitably less than the headline figure but it does mean that a larger proportion of real readers contributed.
Still only a small minority though. It would be nice if more were even able to give “a pound for Wingsland”, in the words of the 2013 fundraiser.
@ Robert Graham
Actually I got banned from Bella…and you can believe me or not but I never once used abusive language …all i did was express opinions you and the site owners didn’t agree with…
And that from site supposed to represent a beacon for a progressive, inclusive independent Scotland…the unintentional irony would be funny if it wasn’t so depressing
SNP membership is only 2% of Scottish population but they are the Scottish Gov and 56 of 59 MP’s inc. those currently suspended. So if Wings only gets support from 1% of readers it kind of reflects the national support, if you get my drift.
We’ll go into next Indy ref with 5 times the number of SNP members that we had in 2014 and the SNP coffers must be much healthier as well.
I’m sure when the time comes people will dig deep to support the cause.
You know what? I’m one of the cheapskates who’s never actually donated before, mainly because I’ve been skint during the lifetime of WoS (setting up a business doesn’t make you rich quick sadly. Maybe I should have been a Tory. I kid, I kid.).
But I’ll donate this year, mainly because I know that psflaps character is a right fud. Interestingly my phones autocorrect tries to change psflaps to prolapse, suggesting once again it may be becoming self aware and possibly a nationalist.
Re Thrawn
I suspect that Thrawn is a nom de plum of Stu´s and he posts these inflamitory missives to encourage us all to contribute more.
Got to say it certainly works i´m already waiting at the door for my Beanie Hat to arrive.
Sharp as a new tack is our Rev.
Bootsy81
Final paragraph very funny 🙂
Thanks for the laugh
The number of backers shown on the Indiegogo site are not the total number of backers as many pay by other means (direct transfer, PayPal etc). These transactions will not be counted by Indiegogo so there are in man, many more Wings donators than these mumping moanies realise.
An amazing effort! You have to admire Stu and his team.
The MSM must be desperate to dig up some dirt on Stu and he will be under constant scrutiny 24/7. I can’t imagine what that is like but I know we all owe him a huge debt for all the sacrifices he has to make.
@Bootsy81
Yeah, this is the time I get my supplies for the season and every penny goes on that – hence just a £5. Maybe more in a week or three though. Or by the next funding I’ll be rich beyond my wildest dreams, and I can be pretty wild at times.
@Bootsy 81,
Still laughing. Sounds like a (Smart)phone right enough. Has him well marked lol.
I pay a monthly subscription by direct debit so do not contribute to the annual fundraiser. (Also because I’m living on a pension these days.)
That’s one reason some regular readers don’t necessarily contribute to the annual spree.
@BiIl McLean says: 1 March, 2017 at 10:30 am:
“You are not “thrawn” – you are bitter. Bad for your health you know!”
The Scottish word, “Thraw”, is very hard to define in the English language and really has no direct English translation.
From that we get, “Thrawn”, which means, “Thrown”, but this is where it begins to get complicated because it also means, “Crooked”, Twisted or, “out of alignment”. This meaning can be found as used by Robert Louis Stevenson in the short story, “Thrawn Janet”.
:-
link to ebooks.adelaide.edu.au
It basically means, “Throw”, but to be, “Thrawn”, is rather more complicated to explain in English and must always be seen in context to get the correct meaning.
In context one such meaning is, “to be hanged”, or throttled.
Anyway the story, “Thrawn Janet”, has much Lowland Scots dialogue and is well worth a read.
My 10:51 comment was aimed at you-know-who and not Proud Cybernat. I hope that was clear!
Rev. Stu. Are you Thrawn? Is this a tactic to get more donations? If so, it’s working.
Donation made. Primarily to keep this vital resource open, but also because tweaking Dunc and Spanner’s noses is so much fun.
Robert at 11:32
Maybe Thrawn has the skitters too.
They can make ye awfy grumpy.
🙂
O/T Whenever I see the word Thrawn, can’t help but visualize a blue skinned, red eyed Imperial tactician whom is now officially canon
Front and back brake disc replacement means only a wee bit of dosh but every bit counts.
Have used the PayPal account to pay – the old Beeb’s shilling is on its way. More on pay day next month too.
Thanks for all your efforts and hard work.
If there’s to be an updated WBB, can I suggest it is also printed in Polish, since we have the time, and hopefully the money.
Apologies if you’ve already thought of this.
Graun guys really want to get to that BBC trough of tory greatness.
link to archive.is
EU referendum and Brexit Opinion
More than politics, Theresa May’s true strength is her grasp of British culture
Rafael Behr
While John Major and Tony Blair struggle with their Brexit defeat, the prime minister has read the national mood and is successfully navigating it”
Rafael is a great name too, but its hard to conceive of a more powerful swing to the hard right than what Graun’s gimps have done.
Maggie Thatcher must cheering away rule tory Britannia, in her pyramid.
Sorry uno mas. I hadn’t seen your comment.
They have badges…….
I now have badges.
@Daisy Walker says: 1 March, 2017 at 11:04 am:
“Indigogo keeps telling me my e-mail address is invalid (I don’t do Facebook) How do I fix this?”
Aye! Me too, Daisy Walker, but I’m having long term problems with my ISP and their email account.
There is a donate to Wings link at the top of the page, on the black coloured strip, that you can use.
I’ll be using it myself later if I can’t sort out BTYahoo Internet today.
I’ve just about had enough of their needless troubles so may just sign up with another ISP today.
The Skype Family…
link to imgur.com
To Bob McLean ‘re 1030 note.
I was in the RN from 66 to 74 but Campbell Allan means nothing to me. Sorry.
I wonder just how much of Wikipedia’s users actually contribute financially to the upkeep?? Probably less than 1 percent, and I bet pissflaps (damn autocorrect, I meant psflaps) uses Wiki and doesn’t contribute so I am not sure what his point is.
I had never contributed to either Wikipedia or Wings before.
Now I have only never contributed to Wikipedia.
Apologies it’s not a huge amount Stu, but I feel better having sent something.
@Wee Jock Poo-Pong McPlop says: 1 March, 2017 at 10:52 am:
“I see we have a resident idiot on this board now…”
Och! Wee Jock. We have several of them. The seem to work some kind of shift system. Mind you it could be the same person with different names.
You didn’t, for a minute, think that the Westminster, “Security Services”, were not monitoring us did you?
It may be they also have a, “Bot”, set up too but there is a definite presence on Wings by them.
@ smallaxe
Cheers! But I lack the imagination for a new name. So creatively bereft am I, that Thrawn’s ‘Fanationalist’ seems quite appealing as a title.
Donated!!! Not as much as I would like but it helps.
A remarkable feat indeed and we’re going to need every penny.
That Vonny one is added to my mute list.
Yesterday she was ‘hounded off twitter’ and we have Sev’s tweet to tell us how bad we are.
Today she’s back on, no doubt missing all the attention.
The more Sev screams, the bigger the hole he is digging.
He supports Claire H but ignores Rosa Z.
He pulls up the Rev for swearing but ignores Spanner.
He has no credibility
What psflaps conveniently ignores is that the amount raised was just in the first SEVEN HOURS. There’s a month to go.
Will be chucking in more quids shortly and am so grateful that we have such a fighter on our side. Thank you, Stu. Your research is phenomenal – no wonder the unionists are so keen to undermine you.
Highly amused to see Duncan jumping up and down and demanding that people not donate. Hilarious!
Ripped apart…
link to imgur.com
A wee item on The Canary , it headlines the Electoral commission are investigating funding during the Brexit Campaign , The Canary goes on to mention CRC and its funnelling of dubious money through Ireland and thereby circumventing disclosure requirements ,
It now appears CRC are turning their sights on Scotland now , I hope someone ,anyone, in the Scottish Government is paying close attention to this lot as the chairman appears to have links to Saudi Arabia , I thought it was Illegal for foreign sourced funds to be secretly used to influence any political organisation in this country , I think Wendy Alexander kind of forgot about that one , and rightly paid the price .
Hmmm…
~10,000 folk pay to support Tory membership in Scotland and yet they control the country with 1 MP.
I reckon that is 0.25% of the electorate.
I think that is what is called a democratic deficit.
A theme coming from Scottish Questions and PMQ’s is this matter of the UK single market being more important to Scotland than the EU single market. The suggestion is that if Scotland were independent that this market would be denied even though we import more from rUK han we export to it.
Yet in Brexit dealings they suggest that the similar situation vis a vis the UK and the EU will magically not be an issue. They lie and lie about the Scottish economy and lie and lie about the wonders of Brexit.
@Robert Graham says: 1 March, 2017 at 11:06 am:
” … I hope the management are noting this increase in attention.”
I do not know about the management but I know the commenters have. The thing is that it is not an unwelcome thing in some ways. Specifically it indicates that the Yoons are very, very, worried and afraid of us. If they were not they wouldn’t bother.
Another factor is that we can use their stupidity to make points that can be used by Wingers out on the streets or in political discussions with unionists, Brexiteers or just idiots at large.
After all it is the kind of things we often get confronted with by Yoons we meet off-line that these numpties are posting. It follows that we need to know how to wrong foot the same sort of thing in real life situations as on-line.
Now I know most of us, if confronted with a Brian Spanner in person, would be inclined to use a Stilson Wrench or Club Hammer in reply but they put you away for such abuse.
So we need to be armed with the right tools to hit back with and Wings is as good a place as any to practice.
@Robert Graham
Here’s the article
link to thecanary.co
I always understood thrawn to be stubborn, but that’s just an aside.
Thrawn appears to be making his or her own attempt to make the general population think it means bitter unionist.
@Maureen says: 1 March, 2017 at 11:12 am:
“Don’t often comment”
Why ever not, Maureen? We dinna bite ye ken.
” … Also love the No to Yes videos that are on the go and wish they could be on mainstream TV.”
Well they may not be on mainstream TV. Maureen but the newer, “Smart”, TV’s usually have YouTube at the press of a button, as well as the BBC iPlayer, STV Player and lots of other video sites like, “Daily Motion”.
As older TVs get junked there will be lots more Smart TVs in people’s homes.
1% …10% …100% …doesn’t matter.
The fact remains that the target was reached within half a day, and it’s still going. By the time we are done, it will hit around the £100,000 mark.
If Stuart wanted, he could do another fundraiser in a month’s time, and once again, he will get a substantial figure. He could do one each month for the next year and a half and the final tally would still be staggering.
I bet more money was raised in half a day yesterday, than from all the donations given at the Scottish Labour Conference over the weekend there.
Something is always better than nothing …and this is really something.
As to Unionist opinion …who cares! Stuart now has a war chest to plan ahead for. That is all that matters. If he needs more …he just needs to ask.
The troll is more than a little stupid – thanks to something he posted elsewhere (more abuse basically) its trivially easy to work out who he is in real-life & where he lives.
If anyone wishes to make a complaint to Bournemouth police about him (and has been the target of abuse by him) then contact Stu, who in turn can contact me & I’ll provide the details.
For obvious reasons I’m not putting his name or address on here. Personally I’d just advise ignoring him but if you’re getting sustained abuse its probably best to report him.
OK Andy thanks for response. I knew Campbell a wee bit earlier than you were in and often wonder what happened to him. He had a mate Andy Anderson, from Kincardine I think. Thanks anyway!
On behalf of the “Russian National Orchestra” the usual envelope will be deliverd to Cybernat general headquarters by courier on wire transfer from Moscow
Dasvidaniya Tovarich
Well,
Mr (or miss) “Thrawn”.
Even though I’m just up, nae showered and in the process of having my morning movement (I live in New Hampshire, USA), I’m going to chip in as soon as I am decent.
How’d you like them apples ?
Keep up the good work !
The Paypal thing was a pain in the arse and stopped me quickly donating yesterday – although I’ll still sit down and sort it out today (promise!)
Suggest everyone who donates tweets Hothersall about it.
Who knows, he may even be able to turn it into a ‘My Twitter nightmare..’ article for some newspaper. Everybody wins!
Apparently this was shot last night.
Rumour has it that it was a collection of Yoon’s reacting to not only Wings latest wee fund raiser but also the news that it has raised £20,000 MORE than last year in the first 24 hours. 😀
link to youtube.com
Feel obliged to comment on the ‘1% claim’: It is a GOOD thing that less than 1% of Wings readers contribute: Why? Because it means that the vast majority of readers are casual visitors, probably similar to how I’ll visit the Guardian, the New York Times, the Mail (very rarely) just because a search engine turns it up on a story that I want to read about. This is what you want!
Reluctant Nationalist says:
“‘Fanationalist’ seems quite appealing”
This name to you may quite appeal
But I urge you my Friend to keep it real
This name was suggested by a Pesky Troll
Think on my Friend and keep control
Use imagination to find your name
Self-control for Wingers
Is the name of the Game
Peace Always
You have to ask yourself just why are the Yoons going bonkers?
They keep saying that they are fed up subsidising Scotland,so if that is really true (we know it is not, they don’t) based on the economic reports that they read from The Mail, Express and all the rabid Yoon media. They really believe what they read from these shit sources.
Why the fuck are they not supporting Indy?
If they gave us assistance, it would help us sail it, and they can get rid of us, to our great satisfaction.
So again, just why do they not support our leaving! They then have no subsidies to Scotland. Scotland will not need to send any down south either, but they do not believe that anyway. So support us dear Yoons, to depart your glorious Union, and indeed help it come about.
A win win, for you there.
Yoons out there, answer please.
Famous15 says:
1 March, 2017 at 12:29 pm
A theme coming from Scottish Questions and PMQ’s is this matter of the UK single market being more important to Scotland than the EU single market.
My gorgeous pouting Slovene girlfriend sets out her UKOK stall, you’re all racists, Mayor Khan of London says so, and England wont trade with you either.
or in precis,
Adam Tomkins MSP?Verified account @ProfTomkins 14h14 hours ago
More
Nicola Sturgeon’s Brexit deal ‘would lead to fracturing of UK trade’
One of the Tories said you only had 12 months left. Is individually ref 2 next March then! He obviously thinks we will lose, but that’s blind panic.
@heedtracker says: 1 March, 2017 at 11:44 am:
” … More than politics, Theresa May’s true strength is her grasp of British culture
Rafael Behr”
And that quote, heedtracker, is the sign of a true racist, nationalist bigot.
If someone was to ask the numptie to define, “British Culture”, I’m certain the numptie would make at least as bad a job of it as Westminster and Theresa May are making of running the de facto parliament of England.
There is no such thing as British Culture for Britain has eight distinct separate legislatures. Only four of which comprise the United Kingdom, (sic).
The United Kingdom, (sic), also does not have a single form of culture as it too has four distinct countries, (in two Kingdoms), as its constituent parts and their cultures are remarkably different.
Not only that but the very regions of England are very different one from the other. There are even linguistic differences within England itself. Devon is markedly different from the North East of England for example. The difference in culture across the Scottish/English border is more marked that any other border in Europe, startlingly so in fact.
As the late Bill McLaren said, “There is nowhere more Scottish than the Scottish Borders”. He was right.
@ Peter Macbeastie 12:36 pm :
“I always understood thrawn to be stubborn, but that’s just an aside.
Thrawn appears to be making his or her own attempt to make the general population think it means bitter unionist”
Its a character in Star Wars – grand admiral Thrawn. The troll is a star wars fanboi….
heedtracker says:
1 March, 2017 at 1:03 pm
Famous15 says:
1 March, 2017 at 12:29 pm
My gorgeous pouting Slovene girlfriend sets out her UKOK stall, you’re all racists, Mayor Khan of London says so, and England wont trade with you either.
I’m not really convinced that any of the Yoons currently crying into their bowls of cereal have really thought this “we won’t trade with you” argument through properly Heedtracker.
I mean even they can not be so stupid as to cut their noses off to spite their faces … can they? 😉
NO Electricity
NO Whisky
NO Oil
MINIMUM Gin
etc
If they ARE serious about cutting their noses off I really hope the have stockpiled candles, Whisky, Gin, Oil etc otherwise they are going the be rather dry mouthed cold and unable to read the fantastic articles in Wings about themselves. 😀
A fair article from the Canary
link to thecanary.co
@Reluctant Nationalist says: 1 March, 2017 at 12:07 pm:
“Cheers! But I lack the imagination for a new name.”
Ach! Dinna fash!
How about just use a first initial letter?
as – “R Nationalist”. Get the play on words, “R (are), Nationalist”?
Robert Peffers says:
1 March, 2017 at 1:05 pm
@heedtracker says: 1 March, 2017 at 11:44 am:
Mayhem has merely kept her head down. She’s an ultra Con tory protected by the most bias tory BBC led media in the western world. That’s been her talent, keep out of the way, pop up when required. Except its not a talent, its learned the hard way, when she tried to out Thatch Snathcher Thatcher, as a cabinet minister of ridiculous outfits and stuff that only makes your average Hootsman roaster in Embro go all funny in that special tory place.
Rafeal is just another tory hack sending tory BBC gimps his CV, are you the right sort Rafael and can you take your tongue out of our jacksie now, we get the message.
I haven’t donated … YET! 😉
Don’t panic though … donation will be forthcoming. 😛
I just wish I had won the EuroMillions last night cause I’d now be sending Wings a cheque, BLANK but signed, to be filled in by his winged Godliness himself. 😀
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Arbroath1320 says:
1 March, 2017 at 1:11 pm
heedtracker says:
1 March, 2017 at 1:03 pm
BetterTogether core strategy ref 2,
1. You’re racists.
2. You’re bankrupt now, what’s it going to be like without England.
3. England will not trade with you anymore.
4. Whole myriad of the above, all mixed into a nice big sludgy mess of Bliar McDoughball’s 2014 production.
So vote NO Thanks 2.
I think over this weekend it has become clear what the No side tactics will be. It is not aimed at any Yes voters last time but those who are considering changing from No, the message is by changing to Yes you are becoming a racist.
It’s not subtle as the recent Courier article displays, by pointing out that large areas of spending are still controlled by Westminster reveals your racist credentials.
Like allowing all residents to vote in Ind Ref = racist
Excluding non UK citizens in EU ref = inclusive
Can ye feel the new indyref new momentum building..
Onwards, upwards and outwards.
Welcome to March ’17.
30 days to go maX.
It’s time to go.
Reluctant Nationalist
how about Staunch AYE ?
the crowd fund
the wbb was the best literature we had in indyref1, 90k bought 250 wbb’s (I think)
with no yesscotland2 or yesleader, we dont have sufficient leaflets or literature to deliver
to that end, we intend to make the wbb2 the bases of our indyref2 campaign.
no more multiple leaflet drops, only door to door canvassing where we can personally hand over the wbb2. it is too expensive to drop through a letter box.
btw, NEF constituency has 60k voters
stu is not wrong, we really need a lot more money to do this
btw2 if you need badges flags and other merchandice for your local yes group, they are available (£20 for £700 worth of stuff)
ayemail
link to ayemail.scot
join natyesreg here
link to nationalyesregistry.scot
The unionists miss the whole point of civic nationalism. Some can afford to give because they scan afford it, some because of a driving passion for an Independent Scotland, some see it as value for money as accurate data to balance a corrupt media OR all of the above.
African proverb: “If you think you are too small to make a difference then you have never spent a night with a mosquito” ( midges can have the same impact). 😛
A big, big thanks to Duncan Hothersall for spurring me (and many others, no doubt) on to make a donation!! A special note of our appreciation to Dunc for doing so much for our cause!!!! Keep up the fuckwittery, its a sure fire vote winner for Independence.
Cactus:
The Green Cross Code inciDENT!
I know that you were not badly hurt but how is the car?
🙂
Peace Always
This is pretty good.
link to thecanary.co
just a point about the wbb2
it will need to address the issue of the EU
I support efta/eea membership, rather than eu membership, followed by an euref2 in the first session of an independent holyrood. Now I know the rev supports the idea of an euref2 in the first session of an independent holyrood, as does eric joyce, but none of the above is presently snp policy for indyref2.
point is, i not sure why this is a problem as I cant think why the rev should be constrained by snp policy, isnt he entitled to write whatever he wants?
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The best bit about Better Together #2 Heedtracker is that it will draw the likes of McDougall back oot from the woodwork where he has been hiding ever since 2014. Not only that but we will have the “pleasure” of seeing wee Johnnie McTernan backing up McDougall and wee Kez! 😀
TWO of the biggest LOSERS in political history … together … again! They both worked on Better Together #1 which had a whopping lead over YES in 2014 yet ended up with 10% win 55% to 45%.
I wonder if either of them put down their ability to LOSE 20 odd percentage lead on their C.V.’s 😀
Visiting a friend of mine working on a wind turbine project in West Aberdeenshire and staying in his mobile home, he had a leaflet popped into his letter box, the leaflet gave details of MSP Mike Rumbles as being the most pathetically useless politician to set foot in Holyrood but it also made a excellent ref to Wings Over Scotland which my friend had never heard of . I was not aware of his political standing, but after having visited the website he made it very clear to me he had been a no voter but now regretted his decision WOS was penetrating the clouded vale of the Better Together campaign. well done STU, another convert.
From here: link to indyref2.scot
Who cares if its one percent or 100 percent. If less than one percent of the readership gets the fund over the target, then there is not much more you can ask for.
Everytime Stu runs his annual fundraising request, the target is smashed within hours.
A lot of other political fundraising requests would love to have that kind of backing.
It simply shows how important Wings is to Scottish politics and unlike some of the above tweets, I think wings has a lot to offer Scotland if / when independance is achieved.
A few more quid on its way now, Stu. Keep up the good work, we’re going to need it!
@Vestas says:1 March, 2017 at 1:09 pm:
“I always understood thrawn to be stubborn, but that’s just an aside.!”
Literally, in Scots, it means, “Thrown”.
From thrown it becomes, in English, “out of line”, or twisted, warped, bent or slanted.
It also has apparently, from the twisted bit, connotations with rope, as in twisted fibres, hanging and the gallows which leads to throttled, strangled and such like in English.
There are some Scots words that really have no direct translation into English. “Dreich”, being another, but every Scots speaker knows exactly what they mean.
Thrawn, however, has now more than one meaning in Scots.
Indeed, though, it does also mean, bitter and twisted, Ill Natured, bad tempered, “conter”, contrary out of kilter. et al.
I agree that multiple devices can also contribute to the unique visitor numbers. I use both this laptop and my phone and in the last year may have used the desktop though not of late.
Also if my devices are online via a different Wifi network so with a different IP address will that not only add to the figures? I may well have loaded the site from my phone while on two different Wifis in Edinburgh this last month.
So, Dunc’s calculations may well be off.
@ Macart 1:52 pm :
“This is pretty good. <snip url)"
I do read the canary but they are no friends to wings – or indy.
They're buddy buddy with Mike Small (Bella) and all the main players live in the Home Counties/London. Also not clear where the funding is coming from – not the right anyway, but someone is bankrolling it.
They view indy voters the same way they viewed brexit voters – ill educated and probably a wee bit racist.
They drive the twat running order-order mental which is in their favour 🙂
Thank you Thrawn, just bought myself some badges!
Arbroath1320
McTernan, McDougall and Murphy. Three horse men of SLabour’s demise.
Its probably going to come to the bucks though, BetterTogether 2 wise. They’ll be looking for next gen polico hucksters, just like Bliar McD, but skint ones, ready to do and say anything UKOK, for a quarter of a million quid. That’s enough to get you a nice deposit into Bearsden and Newlands maybe, plus any speaker fee spinoffs, loyalism, rewarded in and by top PR jobs with big loyal outfits, quangos etc. Don’t need to roll up trouser legs anymore, you’d think.
Its all looking pretty UKOK 2 tasty from the last crew of sneary spivs, so we probably haven’t even heard of the next gen Bliar McDoughballs yet.
@ Robert Peffers :2:02 pm
“Vestas says:1 March, 2017 at 1:09 pm:
“I always understood thrawn to be stubborn, but that’s just an aside.!””
I was quoting someone earlier in the thread 🙂
Thrawn in this instance means Grand Admiral Thrawn from the Star Wars series/franchise. Troll is a Star Wars fanboi.
Would it not be your router’s IP address which contacts the internet? So all devices in your house would be using the one IP address?
While Theresa May hurtles towards the unknown outcome of Brexit amid questions of the state of the destination and how it’s to be achieved and will it be better for AhUK financially or otherwise and still refuses to answer except to say she will be keeping her cards close to her chest, which is another way of saying she’s not going to tell us
When the next Independence referendum is called will Scotlands First Minister then be perfectly justified in telling the UK of England government in answer to any questions regarding Scotland that she too is keeping her cards close to her chest, meaning
It’s none of the UK of Englands business, sod off, Independence means Independence and we’ll make the best of it for Scotland and get the best deal
Cheerio the now!
Robert Peffers, I expect that Thrawn is happy in the sheuch.
I have to say JET I am not surprised by that story.
I have been witnessing a regular trail of former NO voters who have all turned their backs on NO and are now proud YES supporters.
Not only that but, thanks to Mayhem and her inability to see our European friends for what they are, human beings NOT bargaining chips, she has pushed practically every single European living in Scotland from a previous position of supporting NO because of BT’s threat of being out of the E.U., to now almost all supporting YES.
Every day I see someone directly, or indirectly, telling about how they or someone they know has turned away from NO. WE have not even started yet this is all down to the “excellent” work of Mayhem and her xenophobic Tory cronies!
thanks Thrawn, I was impressed but not quite motivated.
£100 to the Rev!
O/T _ it’s encouraging to see the Scottish Government are opening a London Hub for business and Tourism north of the border, and will be based in Scotland House in the heart of London .
Silly Question isn’t this Fluffys job? Oh I forgot he is busy representing Scottish interests in a different way , how naive of me, to question his commitment.
Aweright Smallaxe ~
Aye, me good, white van person just kept going after hit n run.
Yeah, I gave the van a doing, they’re gonna need a new wing mirror. I’m made fae girders me.
Tis good to be alive..
Yes!
I’m gonna guesstimate the total will go to, say.. £117,000.
Vestas @ 2.09
Mair like a fucking space cadet!
Fantastic as usual – weel done us 🙂 Haven’t had time to read through all the comments, so, apologies if someone has already said the following.
It might not be clear to folks when they click on the crowdfunder that you can donate amounts other than those for the perks. It would be useful if Indiegogo actually made it more obvious beside the “Back It ” button.
Every single £1 would be appreciated. So, when we are sharing/promoting the crowdfunder, we should make it clear that folk can donate smaller amounts or however many millions they want!
Independence means Independence
🙂
stealin’ that
@ Capella : 2:10 pm
“Would it not be your router’s IP address which contacts the internet? So all devices in your house would be using the one IP address?”
Depends on a couple of things :
1) Who your ISP is. Sky for example rolled out IPv6 a couple of years back so every mobile/lappie/PC will have a unique IP address;
2) Even if your ISP hasn’t rolled out IPv6 then it’s usually trivially easy to “fingerprint” a client behind an IPv4 NAT router. By that I mean your web browser gives out a LOT of info which makes it easy to identify whether a user is on a lappie or a PC (screen resolution/type/size can be exposed. Google analytics do exactly this;
3) Even if you use a VPN the same browser data is exposed – TOR for example suggest you never resize the TOR Browser window as that immediately makes you trackable on that session.
tl;dr its more complicated than you think. Pretty much everything is now I find 🙂
I know some WoS readers are wary of this .org but there are some big issues for Holyrood and the stripping away of Scots devo, Brexit wise.
link to speakout.38degrees.org.uk
Apologies for O/T but came across this piece from the Guardian. I think it is quite a good antiseptic to all the “racist” chants about independence supporters of late.
link to archive.is
Ps, aweright dare Quinie Frae Angus 🙂
had bother donating until I found the FACEBOOK route.
Job done
Yoons and their selective memories…
link to imgur.com
if slab has 30k members and only raises 100k, then only 0.3% of its members are willing to contribute anything to slab?
@Arbroath1320 2:23 pm :
“Apologies for O/T but came across this piece from the Guardian. I think it is quite a good antiseptic to all the “racist” chants about independence supporters of late.”
The BTL comments on the Guardian site for that article are, as always, filled with hatred towards Scots. Not sure about “antiseptic”, more a case of another unionist boil appearing.
The article itself is decent but to me it feels like the Guardian were thinking “shit, we’ve gone too far, do something”…..
Vestas
Not Sebby from the Guardian Shirley? :O
He is a huge fan of Wings 😉
@Macart 1.52pm It is pretty good.
The canary’s editor Kerry Anne Mendoza supported our independence referendum. She stayed up all night tweeting and was disappointed Scotland voted No.
I have followed Kerry Anne from her early website Scriptonite daily and will continue to follow The canary. From Scriptonite I learned about the scale of child abuse and the earliest signs of NHS selloff, corruption in westminster and many other things which were not covered by the msm.
I’m not saying there haven’t been a few times when I’ve despaired at the reporting of Scottish issues but it’s been tame in comparison to the herald, daily record etc etc.
I’m glad to see Wingers posting articles from The canary. I won’t be needing to post so much from now on.
@HandandShrimp 2:39pm :
Oh I doubt he had anything to do with that article. Probably still frothing at the mouth 🙂
Vestas says:
1 March, 2017 at 2:06 pm
@ Macart 1:52 pm :
“This is pretty good. <snip url)"
I do read the canary but they are no friends to wings – or indy.
Yeah, I agree, but while I'm not a regular Canary reader, in addition to that impression, I get the funny idea that the Canary might think differently about Indy if it was much better informed. I get left with the impression if you washed all the Britnat / London Bubble propaganda out of their heads, and they actually spoke to more YES people, they might give Scottish Indy a fair hearing.
However, I think too, that given a fair hearing, Scottish Indy would drop right down their running order, because it's such a no brainer and not edgy enough for the Canary. The BritNat skullduggery and and anti Indy propaganda however… I don't know.
But since that isn't going to happen, as you imply Vestas, handle with caution…
UKOK outlyer money here, out liar? but BetterTogether 2, fronted by Lord Sewell of Banchory, worth a punt surely, who had money on a Cammers majority 2015, oik oik?
link to youtube.com
For the record: I had no role in commissioning @ClaireShrugged, but I did recommend @RobertJSomynne wrote for us in response
link to twitter.com
@Nana 2:43 pm :
“The canary’s editor Kerry Anne Mendoza supported our independence referendum. She stayed up all night tweeting and was disappointed Scotland voted No.”
Thank you for that, I shall revise my opinion somewhat.
I do have to say that comparing them to MSM in Scotland isn’t valid in any way though as they’re supposed to be the antithesis of the MSM 😉
They do a decent job from a SE England perspective. They (in general) have no more understanding of Scottish politics/life than my wife has – and we’ve been married more than a couple of decades now..
There is simply NO understanding in England that Scotland is different. A friend of my daughter who is a legal graduate thought she could just go to Scotland & setup shop. Laws are the same right? 🙂
English Scots for YES have written a wee response to Sadiq Khan for those interested.
link to englishscotsforyes.org
@Peter Macbeastie says
============
Thrawn means something more like being stubborn just for the sake of being stubborn; sometimes even stubborn when it’s not in your own interest. At least that’s always been my take on it.
Great news on the Wings ‘Levelling the Field.’
OT.
My Mum and Dad have pointed me to this news item from the General Election in 2010:
Gordon Brown on a visit to Rochdale speaking to an elderly woman pensioner outside his car:
“It’s very nice to see you”.
Inside his car:
“……she’s just a sort of bigoted woman that said she used to be Labour,I mean it’s just ridiculous.”
The Labour Party hasn’t and never can change.
Vestas
🙂 Not the article just the Star Trek bit
To be honest Vestas I never read the comments in the Guardian. I was warned, on health grounds, to stay well away from all comments in the Guardian. 😀
Nana – Thanks for the link to the Canary, one of these days I will get the link thingy worked out ha ha, never to old to learn.
@Vestas
Actually I had written Telegraph and Guardian and then thought our own media can be as vitriolic.
I don’t recall if Kerry Anne came to Scotland during indyref, maybe I will suggest she visits.
My cousin down south had little understanding of life in Scotland other than holiday pursuits. He was a lawyer & thought the same as your daughter’s friend did when looking to buy property. Got a shock.
@ Vestas – shouldav known 🙂
re ClaireShrugged – maybe she’s a fan of Ayn Rand who wrote “Atlas Shrugged” a long time ago and is the inspiration for much of the right wing, neo liberal, libertarian, free marketeer, survival of the fittest rubbish which has poisoned political debate for the last 40 years.
link to en.wikipedia.org
There used to be a website called Atlas Shrugs which was very right wing and anti Obama. Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google and a Democrat, played a trick on it during the 2008 election. The algorithms made sure that the website didn’t come up on a search until page 40ish. The site owner, Pamela Geller, was incandescent.
Obama then invited Schmidt into the administration.
link to en.wikipedia.org
Especially for you Jack. 🙂
Oor wee Gordie and his “meeting” with Gillian Duffy in Rochdale in 2010. 😀
The interesting part, from your point of view start at around 4:40 in … Enjoy! 😀
link to youtube.com
@HandandShrimp 3:03pm
Oh the Star Wars Thrawn stuff?
If so then no its not who you’d like it to be. Its a nobody.
The moral of the story here is not to post things on platforms where you had a “profile” – even for an expired domain which has had multiple owners. Its all public records once you stop paying them, especially US registrars…..
@Vestas
Thanks for the info regarding the Thrawn fuckwit troll! Have come across that post made elsewhere that you speak of. Now that you’ve offered up mention of IP addresses and the Bournemouth police it has all made sense! Thanks again!
So, what say you now, abusive fuckwit troll Thrawn?
Mayhem threatens Scotland today, PMQ’s, Angus Robertson, what’s the deal tory Brexit wise, with Scots fish, farming and Holyrood in all this PM?
Shut it, or you slags or the English will stop trading with you, in the greatest UK zone market ever in the empire, ever,
“A market, I might remind the honourable gentleman, that is more important to Scotland than the EU is.”
Rule Englandtannia.
@ Vestas/Arbroath1320
After the publication of the dubious rubbish (I’m being polite) by Claire Heuchan, Robert Somynne offered to provide an alternative.
I’m slightly surprised the Guardian took him up on it; I suppose they deserve some credit. Shame about the comments – which I haven’t looked at – though.
I think it’s fab having the Canary on our side.
One more blogger with a different catchment
Challenge by House of Lords today over guarantees for EU citizens already in the UK. Ruling at 6pm. If they ask for amendments it will get kicked back to WM to amend. It will delay article 50 by a week. I think March 17, the SNP conference is still going to be INDI 2 announcement though.
Vestas
Didn’t think so. 🙂 Our Sebby is one of the remaining Scottish Labour Stalwarts – with a total sense of humour bypass on the rise of the SNP. He is a Trekky though 🙂
Who are the racists?
Those who want everyone in a country to have self determination
or
Those that want to deny self determination and impose their control over another country.
You’ve just gotta love Thrawn – immense entertainment value. I loved his new portmanteau word “cuntwit” and he should take credit for the fact that the first part of it so adequately describes himself. As to the second part, well he’s 50 percent of the way there – halfwit. Keep up the good work, Thrawn: you must be boosting Wings’ donations hugely. My dosh on its way.
Also why does Hothersall have to state that he is a Gay Husband. As if it makes him special and immune from being a bigot!
@ Nana, Breeks and Vestas
Came across the article purely by accident and don’t (didn’t) know much about the canary site.
Still a good piece tho. 🙂
@Dal Riata 3:14 pm :
“So, what say you now, abusive fuckwit troll Thrawn?”
Get a grip of yourself.
Just read from an article published yesterday that the latest opinion poll puts YES at 52.5%
What a result for Wings and everyone involved…Bella take stock!
Incidentally, I made a contribution via PayPal yesterday and I have had confirmation that it went through..£10 a month on DD..I hope that you guys have confirmation of this also!!!
@Macart 3:23 pm :
“@ Nana, Breeks and Vestas
Came across the article purely by accident and don’t (didn’t) know much about the canary site.
Still a good piece tho. ?”
They do good work in what is basically a journalistic cesspool of racism/zionism/right-wing lunacy.
ie London.
Treat with a level of caution is my advice – they don’t understand Northern England (outside Manchester/Leeds) at all, never mind Scotland.
Can I suggest all groups now forming start by going to their library and getting a nite of the numbers of people on the election register.
We must be able.to see if the number changes running up to indyref2
Those in control of the register need to know we are watching
Great story from JET above. As a new reader of WOS (I discovered it a couple of days after the EU referendum, canna mind how), what are you guys like wi’ fliers? It’s very powerful to actually find WOS on your own and get hooked that way, as I can personally testify.
I’d certainly take some time to hide a few in copies of the Times in my local ASDA. 🙂 Just getting them from places they might nae be expecting; think folk are often resistant to literature put through the doorbox, for example.
@ Nana
Interesting to see Severin claiming that he suggested the article by Robert Somynne.
I assume that means that when the Guardian panicked a bit (if they did) and conceded that they needed to publish a balancing view, SC came up with the name – Robert himself was tweeting an offer, but saying he doubted they’d accept it, right from the start.
(He’s such a prolific tweeter I’ve given up trying to find the offer, but I’m sure I’m remembering correctly.)
Brexit on Steroids…
link to imgur.com
Politics Scotland with Prof Poultice explaining how voting Green had no effect on the SNP not getting an overall majority at Holyrood then goes on to say well the SNP might have got just two more MSPs
Big giant Feckin “Eh”!!! Just two more? Oh well not important then!
Nicola Sturgeon just like Trump says Adam Arsehole Tomkins
of course powers will be coming to Holyrood says Tomkin and that’s just it isn’t it powers over what? Because it won’t be Agg and Fish or they’d damn well say it but they can’t and Ruth Liar Davidson said that Holyrood shouldn’t have more powers anyway
The FM is dead right, these Bastirts are going to shaft us worse than before and if the bitter Numptie half of Scotland don’t wake up there wont be any point in being awake anyway
I don’t mind hugging an open minded No voter but I’ll be damned if I’ll hug a Numptie
If Scotland votes No again we will be the most divided country in the world for all time and stuff will get worse into the bargain
@Crazycat,
You are correct. Mr Somme wrote and offered to put a counterpoint. He was not asked unsolicited.
ruk exports to scotland. they make nothing that cant and wont be sourced in the EEA by scottish retailers, why would tescos in sotland import cans of coke, kellogs cornflakes, heinz beans etc from england when they are 20% cheaper from Eire?
that goes for all english exports to scotland, cars, BMW’s IPHONES, all electrical goods. indeed, it is only items that are unique and that can only be sourced from england that will survive. that list is very very small, jellied eels, quality jams :), yarmouth bloaters and cornish pasties, all of which will no longer have the protection of the eu regarding copywrite, eg, forfar bridies could be sold elsewhere in the EEA as cornish pasties etc
scotlands trade with the ruk is mainly raw materials, thatcher sacrificed our retail economy years ago for londons benefit
87% of our trade with ruk is made up of petrol, fish, oil, whisky, gas, stud beef, electricity, seed potatoes and water. none of which can be sourced in the ruk, they have no choice but to buy these items, even if 20% more expensive
our biggest losers will be edinburgh and glasgows financial services which will lose its trade in the ruk but at the same time will pick up the trade the ruk loses in scotland. the formation of a new bank and indy scot currency coupled with a campaign to encourage scots to switch providers would mitigate scotlands financial services losses
@HandandShrimp
the bounce has definately gone out of sebby’s and rider’s bungie though 🙂
O/T Do you still have No voting members of your own family? I know I do, they still believe that everything from the BBC or what they read in their daily newspaper is gospel
Disabuse them of this belief and give them their own personal copy of the London Calling DVD. You can get a pack of 5 including postage charges for just £5 from Ayemail.
Convert just one person and this £5 is a very small price to pay. Be quick only 163 packs left in stock.
link to ayemail.scot
Scottish Questions should be shown by the BBC Scottish branch , instead of them simply repeating The English national news, then the good folks up here will see how their MPs are treated and how their interests are being looked after in what is really for want of a better word The English Parliament , then they will see Their Union in all it’s glory. F/k me it’s a depressing sight.
Andy Anderson any chance of linking to that article showing a new poll. nothing on James Kelly’s website about a new poll.
@liz : 3:20 pm
“I think it’s fab having the Canary on our side.”
It isn’t.
By that I mean most of the contributors (journos/hacks/whatever they’re called now) paid by the Canary do NOT support independence for Scotland.
Most have no clue about England outside metropolitan areas (London, Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds) and view anyone voting SNP as an ill-educated racist moron from the sticks.
Don’t get confused by the decent work they do in exposing stuff, its mainly all in the SE of England. That doesn’t make them bad or good, it just makes them ill-educated to comment on anything outside the Home Counties.
“I don’t mind hugging an open minded No voter but I’ll be damned if I’ll hug a Numptie.”
Remember folks, Friday 3rd March 2017 is:
#national-hug-a-yoon-day
And eh, do it with feeling!
The Guardian was, once upon a time, my ‘go to’ site of a morning.
I was naive then, ignorant of its true political leanings. I actually believed it’s boast of being “left-leaning”, something that wasn’t to be said of any of the UK’s other broadsheets, as they were.
IndyRef1 changed all that. I just couldn’t believe the misrepresentations and misinformation that was being passed off as ‘news’ or ‘comment’ about Scotland and the Scots, never mind the SNP, Alex Salmond and Scotland’s independece hopes.
And then the lies and vitriol started – and never stopped.
It was a real awakening to the reality of the Guardian’s total lie about it being left-leaning. It had been just another member of the UK’s rabid right-wing press after all.
As the IndyRef1 campaign swung into action, the Guardian would open most of their anti-Scottish independence articles up for BTL comments. After being ‘naughty-stepped’, or basically banned from commenting BTL no more than five times by the moderators through the IndyRef1 campaign and onwards, I just said Fuck this! and haven’t been back there since.
The thing is, if I had been even the slightest bit abusive or derogatory then I would’ve accepted the odd ban, but I never was. Once, I tried to repudiate what heedtracker’s girlfriend from Slovenia had said, only to find myself banned within ten minutes! What a farce! Yet, pro-Union, anti-Scots were, and still are, allowed to post bile-soaked abuse without a here nor there.
Naah, fuck the Guardian! It is now no more than a British Nationalist, right-wing propaganda, fake news organisation.
55 quid in your account Stu – I just want badges , I look slightly challenged in a beanie.
an indy scotland as a member of EFTA/EEA would have complete control over fishing and agriculture, we could cut a deal with norway to exclude all eu and ruk fishing fleets from scottish waters. indeed the norwegians would be falling over themselves for this to happen
@Vestas at 3:24 pm
You said:
“Get a grip of yourself”
Did you direct that at me? If so, why?
banned from commenting BTL no more than five times by the moderators
18 times before i ran outta lives……and deaths
Thatcher spins in her pyramid, she only ever ate mice rolled in gold. She heard the queen does that too.
link to thedailymash.co.uk
The Graun has shut down comments on Robert Somynne’s counter to Khan and the wee lassie.
Strange that, in an article that is in favour of independence, the comments get closed…
Was it all the knuckle-draggers wearing down a moderator?
We should be told. 😉
link to thenational.scot
I’d do it. As long as prozzies and coke are included in the £300 a day expenses.
Yours,
Lord Sewell.
Its very close to Lord Sewer that.
I give gladly. And that’s despite thinking that sometimes you go over the top. But firstly there is probably no website I’d agree 100%, and secondly, just imagine where we would be without wings, someone needs to call the stinkers out.
Still, like many of the trolls I do hope this is the last fundraisers … ’cause I hope for a yes victory within the next year 😉
@schrodingers cat
“18 times before i ran outta lives……and deaths” Lol! ?
Conan the Librarian says:
1 March, 2017 at 4:10 pm
The Graun has shut down comments on Robert Somynne’s counter to Khan and the wee lassie.
Guardian gives a The Guardian pick, to this commenter’s first ever The Guardian comment, from a Guardian reader who signed up to the Guardian cif, as long ago as today, and then got a Guardian Pick. today. He left out , user gnome de plume, SCarrell_is_a_god_among_vile_seps.
mikey009 4h ago
Guardian Pick
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I am a 20 something English male who moved to Edinburgh 3 years ago. I have experienced prejudices’, discrimination and persecution from many since I moved here because I am English. I hate the commonly used derogatory comment of being a Southerner, which every thinks is okay to say. I am from the north of England. I have now had enough and feel it will only get worse as nationalism is increasing in popularity. I am moving back to England where people are more open towards outsiders moving in.”
Graun twerps really do think we’re this stoopid. Still cant believe just how shite Graun is now.
My interpretation of the ‘modern’ meaning of ‘thrawn’ is of course subjectively dependent on my own personal interaction.
In regard to it being used as an adjective about someone, my English definition would be something like:
A person who exhibits extreme obduracy on a stance they hold, even in the face of contrary evidence supplied or when presented with a majority contrary view. In many cases a thrawn individual is predisposed to actively seek out a view contrary to conventional wisdom at the time of forming their stance and to incorporate that view into it, if possible.
link to caltonjock.com
Noow they have also stopped comments on the “Hate Crime” article (The one with the photo of the even wee-er lassie with a saltire face paint conflated with hate in the title).
Does anyone here think of a wee boy shoving his fingers into multiple dykes?*
*Yes, I know.
No mention of this on BBC.
link to on.rt.com
Is here a hint of jealousy in the tweets?
Incidentally, assuming these tweeters reside in Scotland, what are they going to do after our independence. No self-respecting employer would consider them, taking into account their “high profile” & their unpopularity.
Will they be part of our welfare system being unemployable. Being a proven ("Tractor" - Ed) is, I believe, still a capital offence.
@Dal Riata :
““Get a grip of yourself”
Did you direct that at me? If so, why?”
Re-read your post which I responded to & see if you can get a clue?
Thrawn is a nobody. He trolls and if nobody responded he’d be off elsewhere.
There are fuckwits like him all over the world with ignorant opinions/who like to troll and provoke people like you. You respond with abuse/intemperate language & its game on for them. On things like reddit they don’t even give a fuck about the topic, its all about getting a response – which you gave them.
So get a grip of yourself yes? Good man.
@heedtracker
A Student who cannot understand that Northern England is to the south of Scotland?
Is he one of those “snowflakes” we hear so much about on campuses these days?
In my day, the Agrigs would have used him as a chew toy.
Happy to donate. Looking forward to my badges. Means more when I know it upsets a bunch of haters!
We should challenge the likes of Hothersall to give us something positive about Scotland,challenge them at every turn,nobody ever really gets in their faces they get an easy ride.
@Bill Dale says: 1 March, 2017 at 2:13 pm:
” … I expect that Thrawn is happy in the sheuch.”
Sheuch? Yon sleekit an thrawn, Thrawn gadgie maun bi lang syne awa ben the brander.
hmm Ruth Harrison and Adam Tomkins today both describing Nicola as ‘shrill’. Would they describe a male politician as shrill? I dont think so. I’d be interested to see the response if they described Claire wotserface as ‘shrill’. Oh, and they didnt have an answer to the substance of the speech – powers over devolved areas coming home from Brussels might go to Westminster instead.
Radio Shortbread headline at 16:45 – Fluffie Mundell apparently ‘absolutely guarantees’ that ‘more powers’ will come to Holyrood with Brexit, not saying what, or how much, and never mind that Mundell is not in a position to deliver anything except perhaps tea and biscuits to the Cabinet.
Unfortunately for Fluffie, his boss Theresa today in parliament point blank refused to guarantee anything.
I am positively choking for my Wings beanie hat. I’ve now donated twice and asked for perk both times, different levels, but feel free to give one to someone else and the extra badges too!
Thrawn hasnt been back since we started donating more every time he commented 🙂
@Robert Peffers
Brander? He’s awa doon the stank then?
Politics Scotland this afternoon was the most biased I’ve ever seen (and that’s saying something!).
In studio, guest was a former Tory spinner, then off to Holyrood to watch debate which had 3 unionist speakers to one SNP, then a complete section with Tory Liz Smith (and no ‘rebuttal’, straight back to studio).
Brewster then has his ‘line-up’about independence (of course), again Lib/Lab/Con versus SNP (no Green). But always ensuring the Tory Smirky, gets the final say, naturally.
Similarly with the Westminster line-up (Carliar in it AGAIN), so it’s the usual 3 agin 1, and, of course, the Tory gets final say!!
Then on to the rambling poultice (as described by Dr Jim, earlier) and ends with the Tory spinner guest – all in all simply a ToryFest – well done BBC, ratcheting up the game against indy already. Bastirts.
@Glamaig 5:25 pm :
“Thrawn hasnt been back since we started donating more every time he commented ?”
He’s probably still at work/commuting. Bournemouth/Poole traffic is a bastard.
How do I know? My daughter is in student halls right next to the main police station in Bournemouth 🙂
Im not sure about this Prof Curtice character sometimes. On TV this afternoon explaining how voting Green with regional vote didnt cost SNP their majority, oh no it didnt he says. He says it maybe cost the SNP ‘only one or two seats’. Whoa, hold it right there Prof Curtice! One seat is exactly the difference it would make to have an absolute majority… 64-63 remember? duh.
Scott @4.41pm
Well spotted!
Will be interesting to find out exactly when the ‘BBC et all’ decide to tell us that Trump has postponed his visit to October.
Can’t afford to show any weakness anywhere so how will it be sold to us?
Yoonery is truly a mystery.
It is perfectly obvious why they hate Wings. It is a huge threat to their Union. I can understand why they wish it didn’t exist and why they wish we didn’t contribute.
What I can’t understand is why they say Wings articles aren’t accurate. Everything is backed up with links and sources, which is something you can very rarely say about the msm.
The Yoon critical language is all about ‘calling out’ and ‘this shit’ etc., never ever do they quote an example of what they believe is wrong and give counter sources. It’s just name calling with no alternative story.
If it’s all just Yoon pretence aimed at the gullible, then it’s a nasty unsophisticated tactic, but that is how the Union defends itself.
But here’s the thing – do some of the Yooneratsi actually believe Wings is false simply because it ‘does not compute’ as part of their world view. A blind faith. “Don’t confuse me with facts” argument? If so, there are some terribly sad people out there.
Meg merrilees
the reason the snp lost their majority is because 30% of their voters in 2015 didnt show up
gotv is the only game in town in may this year to stop a unionist resurgence, the snp voters exist, convincing them to show up, will decide whether we win or lose, not the greens or curtice or anyone else
these elections are the unionists last line of defense, labour voters are unlikely to be motivated to turn out and vote, hell, slab couldnt even convince 50% of the present councillors to show up 4 their conference
tories and libdem voters will show up, no question about it. The greens arent even at the races, sorry if you are a green, but c’est la vie
the holyrood election divided the yes group, which is why curtice brings it up now. dont be his lacky, focus on the game in hand
heedtracker says:
Brilliant. Made me laugh. 🙂
That character is not for real. There is absolutely no one in this planet who now considers England is a country which welcomes incomers!
It is kind of reminiscent of the early Vote No Borders forum where they had people pretending to be real Scots expressing NO views. They could be seen through and were probably unpaid interns sitting in an office in Essex with virtually no knowledge of Scotland. Basically, none of the so called posters were credible.
In IndyRef2 we will see much more unbelievable pretend people. Hell, there’s even one on this page!
Hungry for Brexit:
In America they have cheese that contains no actual cheese but they munch it down in great quantities on everything from burgers which contain actual pharmaseuticals to spaghetti which has no wheat and which contains genetically modified hormone as does the cow that some of the beef came from for the burger
Under EU regulations they wouldn’t be allowed to call the cheese, cheese, it would have to be redesignated as maybe yellow plastic substitute or some such other name
The burger would have to contain a certain % of real documented meat free from hormone additives
Spaghetti, well there’s no need to go into that with the EU because we’re lucky enough to get that direct from folks who know what they’re doing with that stuff, Spain and of course Italy and because of these regulations in the EU we shop for these things pretty safely most of the time and don’t worry about it because the EU tests stuff and looks after the whole of Europes health in that way
America however is slightly different in that it does look after health but not Joe Publics physical health Oh no, it looks after big corporate Americas moneys health and woe betide anyone who wants to challenge that because you’ll have to be a multi billionaire to do it, and you’ll still lose
These products I have mentioned are but a tiny fraction of the ever widening pipeline of what I’ll loosly describe as “goods” being frozen for our delectation right at this moment in time and soon to be clinging on to our cholesterol till the ends of our lives or the bursting of our hearts and waistbands whichever is the quicker
So get ready to feed your guts Brexiters, Oh, and your children and your elderly relatives on arguably the cheapest and shittest fare on the planet and while you’re doing it spare a thought for the folk who convinced you to commit this heinous crime upon yourself
While they’re NOT eating the shit they’re making you eat
because they’ll be able to afford to eat in exactly the same expensive restaurants they do now, y’know like Italian, French, Spanish, Greek
While your takeaway, tasty though it may be will be loaded with, well cheap crap because it’ll be all you can afford on your new fruit pickers salary
I have been a supporter of independence since the 1950s. dont like the bad language used on this site. I dont like some of the unkind remarks made and I don’t like the’ don’t suffer fools’ attitude of the Rev However This site is the only thing that kept me going in the dark days of September 2014. I have donated again and hope and pray it is not needed by the time we reach the next decade.
gotv is the only game in town in may this year to stop a unionist resurgence
Spot on. Tories are going for the postal vote, and we know their target demographic are more likely to vote, and Theresa has told them its all about independence…
@Dr Jim
I shudder at the thought, I really do. America’s kids are in the grip of an epidemic of obesity, diabetes, and all manner of allergy and behavioural issues. The numbers are horrific.
You may remember Jamie Oliver went over a few years ago to look at the sugar, and the unadulterated shit put into fast food. He broke down in tears arguing about it, and I totally understood him, they are poisoning their children. That’s not hysteria.
We at least have decent food labelling here, so if you do care what goes into your body, you have a decent chance.
The Tories will deregulate not only tax and banks, environmental protections, but this very lucrative, big money trade – food.
Do you think the Tories care about food safety or standards?
BTW, Scotland has a Fair Trade status, which we should be proud of.
Mm
glamaig
that is why our focus in may will be on local issues, not indyref2. we intend to avoid the issue, i hope that from the end of march, a50 brexit button time, for the 5 weeks after till may, nicola holds off announcing indyref2
bear in mind, we are in the heart of yoondom, and this tactic may not suit other areas
@Vestas
WTF do you think you are, the internet police?
I responded to a post you made about the Thrawn troll. I thanked you for the information it contained (and got shit back from you in return).
I then put a dare towards the Thrawn troll to come forward and give a response. And yes, I used the noun, fuckwit, as an adjunct to his name: a troll who has form himself in ‘nouns’, such as today’s “cuntwits”, which, as a contributor to the WOS fund is directed to me and all other contributors.
And now here you are with:
“Thrawn is a nobody. He trolls and if nobody responded he’d be off elsewhere.”
So then, why the fuck did you do your big write up about info you had on him/her? It’s ok for you to respond, is it? But nobody else, oh no?
“There are fuckwits like him all over the world with ignorant opinions/who like to troll and provoke people like you.”
When the hell was I provoked? Sorry, whit, cannae hear ye…? Oh, it’s *you* that’s doing the provoking! Oh, aye, right enough, eh! Tsk! And here was me thinking you weren’t one of those… whit d’ye cry thum again? Oh aye, trolls, that’s it, trolls, aye!
“You respond with abuse/intemperate language & its game on for them. On things like reddit they don’t even give a fuck about the topic, its all about getting a response – which you gave them.”
You were the one who brought up the subject of IP addresses and the Bournemouth police – you – no-one else did.
Reddit? Who gives two fucks about Reddit.
“… which you gave them.” “them” So, there’s more than one, then. That’ll be Thrawn and you then, eh, a wee double-team and that. Sort of good troll, bad troll routine, eh…
“So get a grip of yourself yes? Good man.”
No. So you can go and fuck yourself ya condescending prick/troll, yes? There’s a good boy.
Glad to support the fundraiser. Hope it continues to grow and even surpass Scottish Labour’s membership fees disclosed in their latest accounts.
Izzie – agree with you on some of your criticisms of this site but it is by far the best we have and is, in behaviour terms, streets ahead of the unionist blogs I used to read – I couldn’t believe that the comments were from human beings. So, please continue to soar with Wings.
We’re nearly there!
Think we’re aw a bit tetchy after aw the shit thrown at us over the last few days…chill guys…we’re gettin’ there, we really are 🙂
@ Valerie / Dr Jim
Many years ago, before the Common Market transmogrified into the EU but there were probably already some food standards, I nearly bought a pizza at the Fine Fare supermarket in St Enoch Square.
I changed my mind when I read the label and discovered it contained “cheese analogue”.