What’s that secret you’re keeping?
The mystery of the alleged vandalism attack by “Yes supporters” on the office of Labour MP Ian Murray in Edinburgh this week has turned into quite a labyrinth.
We rang Mr Murray’s office this morning, speaking to a nice chap called Stuart (or Stewart, we forgot to ask), who declined to elaborate on the nature of the alleged vandalism but told us that Mr Murray had seen our story and would get back to us.
Below are the questions we’ll be trying to clear up.
[EDIT 16.43: Mr Murray, having first telephoned me, has published a response on his blog, which you can read in full here. In so far as it addresses the questions below, we’ve added the answers in bold.]
1. What was the precise nature of the supposed vandalism?
[An unspecified number of stickers on the windows and doors.]
2. Was any permanent damage caused? If so, where?
[Seemingly not.]
3. The Scottish Daily Mail’s political editor Alan Roden tweeted this last night:
Which journalists “checked this out”? How many? Why aren’t they named? Were any of them from the Scottish Daily Mail? Why didn’t they take any pictures?
[No journalists attended the scene. Mr Murray told them what he alleges happened and they took him at his word.]
4. Why, indeed, did Mr Murray not take pictures himself rather than having journalists sent out to verify the claim? Is he the only politician in Scotland who doesn’t have a cameraphone?
[not addressed]
5. When exactly did these journalists investigate the claims? By mid-morning yesterday the news had broken of the tragic death of a pupil at Liberton High School in the constituency, which readers might imagine might be a more pressing story to cover than an MP’s office having a couple of stickers put on it. By teatime there was no evidence of any stickers. So when precisely were these unnamed “journalists” at Mr Murray’s office?
[The journalists did not visit the office to verify the claims.]
6. Is it normal practice for media outlets to dispatch multiple journalists to the scene when someone’s allegedly put a sticker on something?
[n/a]
7. Did the Scottish Daily Mail decide that the story wasn’t newsworthy, given the fact that there’s no mention at all of the incident in the paper’s “Shameful cybernats” editorial today?
[They “took the decision” that “it wasn’t a story”.]
8. Was this “vandalism” reported, or will it be reported, to the police? If not, why not? Vandalising property – in this case, premises which are ultimately paid for by the taxpayer – is a criminal offence.
[It was “reported informally”, ie in casual conversation, not officially.]
9. There are two visible CCTV cameras completely covering the two sides of Mr Murray’s office (plus a further camera on the traffic lights a few feet away). Did either of them capture any footage of the alleged attack? If not, why not? If so, has this evidence been forwarded to the police?
[not addressed]
10. Were the CCTV cameras installed with the use of public funds?
[not addressed]
We’ll keep you informed, readers.
[Mr Murray has called for the original article to be retracted or deleted on the grounds of “inaccuracies”, although his post doesn’t appear to actually identify anything factually incorrect in it. As such we have not amended it.
In his phone call to me he said of the incident “Is it vandalism? Well, probably not”, though later in the call he denied having said that and suggested that “in the terms of the law” it was vandalism. However, the law does not appear to support such a definition:
Source: Section 52, Criminal Law (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 1995
As to the best of our knowledge no part of Mr Murray’s office has been destroyed or damaged by the stickers, the claim of “vandalism” as defined in Scots law appears to fail. At most, it may be “attempted vandalism”, though that would appear to require a considerable stretching of the term.
Mr Murray also offers no justification for the claim that the incident was perpetrated by “Yes supporters”, other than that they allegedly used Yes stickers – a claim for which no evidence has in any event been provided. “It is plausible and logical that a crime might have been committed by X” is not proof that X committed the crime.]
Number 6 .. hahahaha!
The thick plottens.
Will an informed constituent vote for Murray next time around?
Surely he would have to answer these questions, or questions in a similar vein, to one of his constituants!
Anyone got a spare 20 minutes?
Oh, and, everybody passing by should be keeping an eye the next few mornings in case they take pictures with the yes stickers (Stickers…THAT is vandalism? Here was me thinking spray paint!) and “back date” them as taken from the morning of the alleged incident!
Oooh… stickers. That’s clearly very serious. Vandalism… pfft.
And that’s even if this remarkably slim on detail tail of ‘vandalism’ does turn out to be true.
The British Media Establishment would like to assure its patrons that no doors or stickers were harmed in the making of this fictional dramatisation and that all references to doors or stickers, living or dead, are purely coincidental.
I have been shocked in recent weeks to see small Yes stickers appearing on several lamp-posts in the Sauchiehall Street area of Glasgow. I am sure when I report this to the local authority said lamp-posts will be removed immediately. These pesky Nats are inflicting needless cruelty to the hardworking lamp-posts of Glasgow.
Stickers – what stickers !?!?!?
The scratches on the doors have been there for at least 18 months and this miserable onanist has failed to take any action to freshen up the paintwork – so much for having any consideration for his neighbours etc
NO evidence of any damage or vandalism relating to the YES campaign.
Just another LIE from an MP who voted for the Benefits Cap a few days ago.
Get out Murray – your time’s up
This is why we love (and need) Wings. Few others have the resources to keep doggedly asking the questions which we need answers to.
Keep it up Wings – politicians are answerable to the electorate, much as some of them don’t like that bit about their jobs.
Great work Stuart.
“And i would have gotten away with it too, if it hadnt ah been for those pesky Wings!”. – Ian Murray MP
In a previous life I was a very high-profile SNP activist. If Labour were leafletting in my area they would stick any material left over through my letterbox. That could be a lot of paper. I never considered it ‘vandalism’, just a laugh. What’s up with this Murray person? As they say in the army, if you can’t take a joke you shouldn’t have joined.
Its always the same push them and they back off. Everytime they highlight something that has happened then they should be asked who reported it to the police and when.
It might seem like overkill but if they are going to lie then the consequence is they should be put on the spot.
He’s going to get curbstomped by the tories at the next election. couldn’t happen to a nicer guy!
An indepedent Scotland can do more than pay tribute to great men … we can build the things they devoted their lives to.
link to commentisntfree.com
On today’s news … their tactics are laughable. I worry what crap they will get up to next. It’s a matter of time before the old bogeyman of “Tartan Terrorism” rears its ugly head once more.
I would put nothing past these people.
Knock Knock!
Who’s there?
Ian Murray!
Ian Murray who?
Thats 2016 for you!
Major Bloodnock….’the thick plottens’……thanks.LOL
“Journalists checked this out hours ago” – journalists as opposed to ‘nasty nat bloggers’ with larger readerships that actual newspapers?
I wonder how much of his 316 vote majority is left now?
Additional question for Alan Roden.
Have you ever uttered anything publicly which wasn’t a lie, a distortion or done at the behest of people who pay you money?
Vandalism:- deliberately mischievous or malicious destruction or damage of property
Looking at the photographs taken last night and published on wings whatever happened to his office was not vandalism!
I suppose, for this to be a real story, there would have to be proof that the stickers had been affixed by a Yes supporter not by a mischief seeking No supporter.
Over to you, Mr Murray.
They’re trying to engineer the situation to make it look like Murray didn’t lie. And by ‘they’ I include the compliant lapdog of a Scottish media.
Desimond
Belter.The quote could be used for the whole BT.
Desimond:
Knock knock
Ian Murray: that’s f*cking vandalism and unacceptable behaviour by the Yes Campaigners!
As some of you may know Ian Murray is the figurehead of the Foundation of Hearts. I’ve seen zero comments from him condemning Hearts fans stickering Easter Road at their 2 recent league cup semi finals…
Point of fact is that the stickers didn’t really bother me. The broken seats and shit over the walls did a bit though. Those weren’t condemned by Ian Murray either to my knowledge.
As a leader of jambos shouldn’t he have been taking a strong stand. Is that behaviour acceptable?
This is indeed a sticky situation.
Now is not the time for exaggeration, but it could be argued that sticker crime has been with us for many years and may be the #1 crime facing developed civilisations. I defer to former Advocate, Alistair Darling on this.
I saw a film about a man sent to prison in French Guiana. Something makes me think it involved sticker crime in the first half of the 20th century. Anyway, I can’t quite remember the name of the movie. It began with a ‘P’ … “Panini” … that’s it. Well worth a watch.
I trust Police Scotland are treating this case with the resources it merits.
It seems to me that some Britnat has vandalised a YES leaflet by sticking Murray’s door to it.
What about poor beth watt who has had her tires flattened the other day and today discovered someone has slashed the soft top on her car which conveniently is covered in yes stickers? Bet that wont make it into the news!
Stickers! Stickers! To the tower with them – Orf with their ‘eds! Barbarians these Jocks!!
O/T Anyone heard from Ronnie recently??
A guy on a Courier comment thread bragged about removing as many YES stickers as he can when he’s out walking his dog. It gave him great satisfaction apparently. I don’t know if he lives in that area though. The phantom sticker remover strikes again! ;D
Saw him at PMQs so you may have to wait some time for a reply
He’ll be off to eat his subsidised lunch now
Mr Murray finds a YES sticker attached to his manky office door.He is outraged and phones the Daily Mail,rather than the Police,to report the incident.The Daily Mail say even they won’t run such a trivial story because it will make them look very silly indeed.So Mr Murray has to content himself with making as much of a song and dance about it as he can on twitter.Making himself look very silly indeed.Meanwhile,Mr Roden of the Daily Mail looks on,shakes his head and mutters “what a pillock.He doesn’t know when to hold his Tongue.He’s doing our campaign more harm than good”.
Aye those nasty Nats have been stickering the bus stops in Dunfermline, well round Duloch to be exact. Fair cheered me up when out walking the dog, special the one that said end London Rule.
The self righteous hypocrites at the Daily Mail are a sight to behold too. Its just plain weird that these bizarre characters think they have the right to do and say anything they like, including leching over very young girls but woe betide anyone that argues with them.
@Jimbo
LOL – Comment of the Day 🙂
STICKERGATE
@JPFife
Hahaha,
And now the News from Edinburgh..
Brave and generous Labour MP Ian Murray will pay for damage to his surgery door after suspected bloodthirsty YES campaigners turned up on his doorstep trying to break it down. “My constituents shouldnt suffer” said the caring Member of Parliament.
In other news, 2 Elderly women from the Jehovahs Witness have been taken to Hospital suffering severe shock when a Hearts fan shouted verbal abuse through a letter box at them whilst they were distributing the WatchTower
Ian Murray “oh no the internet strikes again”
O/T and I hope Im not repeating anybody here, just received an invititation from Independence Live to watch the “Friends of WOS” at the Counting House on Friday night.
I gave up my Equity card years ago, can I still come?
:0
after independence rUK won’t be able to fund nuclear subs of its own.It might,however,be allowed to put a great big Union Jack sticker on an American sub.I think Mr Murray should be given the honour of sticking on that sticker.
“Stickers? I see no stickers”
Police are following a new lead in Sticker Outrage Case:
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Do you think that Ian Murray put Yes stickers on his office doors and windows, phoned the local press to say his office had been vandalised and waited for the inevitable “cybernats accused” story to appear in the national press?
It also strikes me that that tweet was posted just before 10am….journalists were there “hours ago”….How early does he get to the office to have time to report it to journalists for them to come out and look into it?
The stench is getting stronger and stronger!
Poor Ian Murray, he can never play Pontoon again
You have 12
TWIST!
you have 16
TWIST!
you have 20
TWIST!
you have 26
TWIST!!
I think that if Mr Murray can’t take a good stickering then he is in the wrong job.
Isn’t that right, Mr Davidson?
Imagine voting for a man that got upset by a small sticker.
I still think the biggest part of this story is that Murray was bitching about a couple of stickers (allegedly) being stuck on his office, while the front doors have remained unrepaired after being vandalised probably at least two years ago.
What are his office expenses and why didn’t he spend some of that on a painter?
What does it say about his care and concern for his constituency that he was content to leave visible graffiti for that length of time?
Why is a sticker or two something to get riled up about when the doors were already in a shocking condition?
How about adding the questions are you intending claiming on your insurance to have the damage repaired?
and did you know that making a statement that is even partially incorrect when making an insurance claim can be classed as fraud
So we have now gone from vandalism to putting a few stickers on a wall. To my mind putting a sticker on a wall while technically fly posting is perfectly innocent. However even that didn’t happen. In fact nothing has happened other than in the imagination of the small brain of Mr Murray. No doubt Mr Murray will say the stickers were removed before the photos were taken. Despicable that members of parliament can tell open lies and get away with it. Darling is at it again in the Scotsman with his cybernats stuff.I am in an office team of 10 people where I am the only yes supporting member. I have to put up with a daily attacks despite the fact that I don’t actively talk about my personal views in here. Others see it as an affront that someone thinks differently from them and feel they need to challenge me. Despite the fact that I leave them to their own beliefs other than to defend myself when an unsolicited challenge comes my way. That’s the no side for you. They just can’t accept a difference of opinion and leave the person alone. They feel they need to cure you of your illness or educate you on how crapp your nation is without mother England. I stand up for my country they denigrate it. I know who is right and that’s all I need to know.
You missed out one important question.
Were these alleged stickers, Labour for Independence or just Yes stickers?
Worse than Waterdoor.
Does this *ahem* brave member of parliament not understand the basic principles of attaching YES stickers to anything?
Anyone who goes out on a cyber sticker attack has something he does have…standards! He *ahem* ‘claims’ to be a member of the party of the people for the people yet he quite happily walks through the YES door of the voting lobby in Westminster hand in hand with his Tory counterpart to vote FOR a Benefit cap. This Benefit cap will ATTACK hundreds of his very own constituents.
Meanwhile back in the REAL world the secret cyber sticker uppers, who have high standards, would never put any sticker on his office. The general appearance of his office is so down market. Putting a sticker anywhere on his office would bring the HIGH standard of the YES sticker DOWN! No sticker upper worth their salt would go anywhere near that shoddy office, it is a disgrace! Anyone who is worth their salt would be too embarrassed to step inside that office past those totally shoddy painted doors.
Quite laughable.
Under any other circumstances, and I would not be advocating this in any way, but his office may not be recognisable for Wings, Yes Scotland, LFI, WFI etc etc stickers by tomorrow morning.
Pics or it didn’t happen! 😉
badges? badges? we don’t see no stinking badges!
I note that it wasn’t a journalist but journalists that went to view this depraved act of wanton destruction. Were there camera crews? Did CNN attend?
What a complete and utter shower of Muppets. 🙂
This is a stick-up
To be honest it sounds like Murray and his sidekick Roden are trying to provoke a sticker attack.
I wouldn’t entertain the twisted soulless wee creeps. His hideous green doors can stay hideous without the adornment of our lovely positive Yes stickers.
dammit, didnt realise there were cc cameras in the vicinity, i guess i shall have to go on the run now but i will not be taken alive, i vow to continue stickering upto 18 sept.
yours, jack the sticker.
Hard times, we’re all in it together.
I dunno about Edinburgh, but here in Fife if you’ve got a property that looks empty like that, with unremoved graffiti etc, you can expect to get a 200% council tax bill to encourage you to fix it up and sell!
onzebill
There was a post from one of Ronnies friends the other day to say that he had computer issues and he hoped to get back online soon.
O/T a little.
I’ve had a few spats with this guy/group on twitter, but I was just directed to their funding page by a friend for a laugh. I think their side lacks commitment. Enjoy.
Sorry if it’s been posted before. I’d not seen it.
link to indiegogo.com
The implication of the tweet that said “journalists” had checked it out was that the truth was now certain because of the unquestioned honesty and integrity of “journalists”. Some may be churlish enough to reject that inference, but I ask any such people to think again
“Journalists” did indeed check it out: people with cameras and everything went and looked and they “reported” the facts on Wings: and other people did the background research to stand the story up. That is what “journalists” do, and that is indeed what was done. They didn’t report any stickers, though…..
None of you actually added any stickers while you were there reporting on the incident. Did you? Thought not!
I think you are being generous by suggesting YES stickers were involved. He would not have removed them without photographs. He simply made up a story hoping for some negative press.
He lied.
Hard to believe a posse of journalists would show up to report on a few stickers on a door. I suspect Roden may be lying in his teeth, but he has given Murray a fig-leaf to hide behind.
If one or more did show up, perhaps attracted by Murray’s tweet and hoping for material to support a “nasty cybernats” piece, it’s inconceivable they wouldn’t have snapped whatever they found. These people photograph first and decide not to use it later.
So either the whole story is completely made up, or someone is sitting on some snaps of a couple of stickers that are way too innocuous to be put into the public domain. My own view is that it’s all made up.
RevStu asks, “Why, indeed, did Mr Murray not take pictures himself…?”
Perhaps because he feared that they’d be washed out by over-exposure.
Re point 8. If the supposed nasty nat vandal is a taxpayer then a portion of the tax they pay goes to subsidise this office. Surely as a partial owner of this property said tax payer (if they are) is perfectly entitled to do whatever they so wish to redecorate this office?
Ian Murray fabricates a story about supposed evil-cyber-nattery and hopes the unionist press picks it up and runs with it.
We know the graffiti was real, but were the stickers and the journalists?
I am very concerned by this evil act of terrorism and the terrible effect it appears to have had on Mr Murray, however, I am sure he can put the costs of the PTSD treatment on his expenses…
@Desimond
I think you’ll find that “Watchtower” is a Sally Ann production.
The imagery, however, is still with me :-/
Alan Roden is in trouble to.
If the journalists are not real, who invented them – Murray or Roden?
PTSD – Post Traumatic Sticker Disorder
themadmurph
They seem to be struggling for funding, wonder why they are asking for donations in USD, maybe they know something about the future value of the pound and they are not wishing to share with the great unwashed!!!
themadmurph
Just felt a twinge of schadenfreude there; nothing that won’t pass 🙂
I was shocked to see that for $35 you are given the perk of a Flower of Scotland sticker.
How irresponsible is that?
Some poor soul could be on the receiving end of it.
themadmurph
Where do “Stronger United” play and what league are they in?
Only asking because I think if they ever meet Rangers the fans are going to be confused…again.
Jim T.
O/T the Watchtower is Jehovah, War Cry is Sally.
R. Stanton Avery invented the the self-adhesive label, or sticker in 1935. He set up a company to produce these stickers called Kum Kleen Products – I kid you not.
link to nytimes.com
Perhaps it is time for Ian Murray to Kum Kleen about him inventing a nasty cybernat story.
“My constituency office was vandalised …” Ian Murray MP
Now is not the time for fantastical hyperbole, but I can’t help but reflect that when God created stickers he had no criminal intent in mind.
Direct Line insurance have a less clear statement on all this at link to directline.com
“According to the Home Office Crime Reduction site vandalism or criminal damage applies to a crime in which any person without lawful excuse intentionally or recklessly destroys any property belonging to another. Accidental damage or activities resulting in non-permanent damage (i.e. damage that can be rectified, cleaned off or removed at no cost) such as letting down of car tyres are not classified as criminal damage or vandalism”
As an X Sticker I do hope I haven’t been implicated in this heinous crime.
I only ever stick X’s in Yes boxes.
Murray’s office doors were conspicuously vandalised probably about 2 years ago or maybe even more. The damage was inexpertly and partially painted over with a non-matching paint, which has then been allowed to fade, flake and wear away so that the original damage is embarrasingly obvious.
He very obviously doesn’t care about the appearance of the neighbourhood. His office is scruffy and poorly maintained. But he throws out a random tweet about vandalism by Yes supporters and just expects everyone to be outraged on his say-so.
I don’t even believe in the stickers, as nobody seems to have photographed them and they weren’t there by the time the Wings witness showed up.
I don’t believe in journalists who don’t photograph what they came to photograph, even if it turns out to be a storm in a teapot. So if they really did go to his office, and there really were stickers, they would be able to prove it.
Watch Roden back-pedalling when asked for the evidence.
I note that Stronger United have conceded that the battle to retain the £ has been lost since they are fundraising in $…
Ian Murray voted for George Osborne’s latest attack on the poor on 25th March.
He must be struggling on his £66,396 a year salary as according to the Edinburgh Evening News, on 6th November he claimed the highest amount of any Lothian MP for his energy bill of over £747.
The Edinburgh South Labour MP claimed a total of £181,840 in expenses, on top of his salary, including the third highest amount in the UK for his Constituency Office at £26,593 which is crazy as since Devolution Scottish MPs have fewer responsibilities than English MPs. (Office rented from the former disgraced MP Nigel Griffiths)
The Office expenses don’t include his staff salaries amounting to £121,430 which also provides extra household income by employing his partner as a secretary. No wonder these Westminster MPs are so hostile to Scottish self determination as it will end their London gravy train.
link to parliamentary-standards.org.uk
Contrast this with the expenses claimed by the local MSP Jim Eadie for the same period.
As an MSP he receives a salary of £58,000. His staff wages will be around £40,000 per annum and office costs plus other expenses came to a total of £19,401 for the same period.
So there we have it an MP who costs taxpayers £248,00 or a local MSP who costing taxpayers less than half that amount at £120,000 therefore voters in Edinburgh South and elsewhere should decide which representative gives better value for money.
Vote YES in September and save £40 million a year on the Westminster gravy train.
If anyone has Alex Thomson’s contact details at Channel 4 News can you please tell him not to catch the flight from Kabul to Edinburgh.
I don’t think “stickergate” has any legs.
Oooohh ……. look ………. a sticker!
@ themadmurph
Stronger united’s two gallery images.
The Forth bridge one is an abomination IMO.
The Benefits of the Union one is laughable not only because it incorrectly includes the totally independent Scottish NHS and, gosh, I will miss the BBC, GCHQ, FCO, etc.!
Morag
He’s justifying his expense claim for a new paint job in advance.
“Labtory MP Comes Under Fire £50,000 Paint Job
After we at the unbiased Mail done some investigation however.We discovered that the heinous nationalists destroyed his constituency office with separatist slogans of the most disgusting nature.We are now fully committed to identifying these reprehensible individuals and making them reimburse the MP,out their own pocket,for his reasonable expense of B&Q gloss and Basics paintbrush.
My banana was vandalised. It had a little sticker on it.
Tyran – the weren’t Fifers were they?
Regarding stickers, it’s like that old joke:
Q: “What’s brown and sticky?”
A: “I don’t know, but Ian Murray’s career is taking the same route.”
TYRAN
Aye,y’canny trust they Fyffers.
What are his office expenses and why didn’t he spend some of that on a painter?
I’ve done some checking on Mr Murray’s office expenses Morag and found these are what he claims under professional services.
Gully cleaning and repair
Renewal of Data Protection Register Licence
Faulty heater replacement
Replacement of hot water heater
window cleaning (x2)
I do not see anything here that covers decoration/re-decoration of his office/front door. Total claimed for all his claims during this period is £19,205.19 with £814.64 specifically claimed for professional services.
For the period 2012-2013 his claims for professional services were:
Fire Extinguisher annual service
Electrical Fault Repair
Data Protection Annual Renewal
Drain blockages during wet weather
window cleaning (x3)
Yet again there are no claims for the decoration/ re-decoration of his office or front door. His claim for 2012-2013 came to £26,950.04 with £1,263.06 claimed specifically for professional services.
For the year 2011-2012 he claimed for these professional services:
Newspapers to year end
Waste sacks for year
Newspaper for Q1
Collection and Delivery of Ink Cartridges
Setting up of recycling facilites
recycling
Waste to end 2011
Fire extinguisher annual service
Newspapers
Clearance of waste
recycling and confidential waste
Leaking roof repair
Newspapers to 19/11
Trade Waste
Office newspapers
Newspapers for 15/05-16/07
Trade Waste to 30.06
window cleaning (x7)
Again there is no mention of his office or front door being redecorated. His claim for the period 2011-2012 was £23,966.72 of which £1,838.18 was claimed for professional services.
Each year runs from April till March and you can check out any M.P. and their expenses here.
link to tinyurl.com
Why phone a journalist naw police?
Had a look at Ian Murray’s website. He has published a “constituents contract” don’t you know:
link to ianmurraymp.co.uk
Some interesting points:
“Ian Murray MP acknowledges all letters from constituents and endeavours to secure a speedy response”
“I will always be open and honest and act with transparency and integrity as a Member of Parliament.”
“My office at 31 Minto Street is on Edinburgh’s busiest bus route and is staffed from 9am to 5pm every weekday.”
“I have to travel from my home in Edinburgh to London whenever Parliament is sitting. Leaving after Monday’s constituency advice session, I almost always return in time for my constituency advice session on Friday.”
The last paragraph tends to suggest that Murray would be at Westminster at the time of the vandalism, and he tweeted details at 1.38am on 1 April. If he was out of town, did someone else actually find the stickers? Did the stickers get stuck on after the office was closed at 5pm? if so, who found the stickers? What did they do about it? Did they phone Ian or did they phone the police? Why do they suspect Yes voters?
With regard to the previous damage as depicted on the photos taken yesterday, was this act of vandalism reported? If so, what was the outcome?
@Seasick Dave
I’d love a Flower of Scotland sticker!!
Murray is just a Labour liar! Labour are angry because they didn’t think that a no vote would be difficult to get. They are panicking! They can see their futures going down the pan! I suspect that there will be lots more INCIDENTS like this and worse. They will do anything to keep feeding in the trough. Vote YES!
“Put your hands up, this is a cock-up.”
“Don’t you mean stick-up?”
“No, there are no stickers. That’s why it’s a cock-up.”
According to this link via the Guardian, Ian Murray’s Constituency Office Expenses were the 2nd highest out of all the MPs (beaten only by Ian Paisley Jnr)
link to theguardian.com
Yet he still can’t get his doors painted properly?
ive seen YES,YES stickers soho
Could they possibly did themselves any deeper into this hole they’ve created?
Would it be fair to say that no matter where these lying barstewards offices are in Scotland, they are never more than half an hour away from the intrepid WoS redoubtables who can check out, and lay bare, any subsequent spurious claims against so-called ‘Yes vandals’?
Anybody got any NO stickers?
@Arbroath 1320
An awful lot of waste in there!
Breaking News
Police Scotland have a suspect in the Ian Murray vandalism case:
link to i.imgur.com
I am told he is from the Morningside Cybernat Chapter (Motto: “You’ll have had your Union”).
SNP puts forward a Bill under 10 minute rule.
I suppose this is from asap after 18th Sept. Not sure I agree with that. Nearly two years of negotiation to get through. I want any Scottish MP’s to be there in HoC looking after the interests of Scotland right to the end.
They don’t have to concern themselves about rUK legislation but are entitled to chip in if it’s to do with Scotland.
More details to follow I expect..:-(
link to archive.is
I’d just like to take this opportunity to thank the hapless,trough eating MP for providing us with so much amusement/bemusement.
Cameron in the Commons today:
“I will take a lecture from almost anyone in the country about the sale of Royal Mail but not from the two muppets who advised the last chancellor on selling the gold”.
Better Together?
Seems it’s from 2016 date…’Herald’… Why the bill then?
Does anyone have a timeline so far for Stickergate?
SquareHaggis says:
Anybody got any NO stickers?
I think Mike Weir might have a couple he can let you have S.H. 😛
link to tinyurl.com
Albamac says:
@Arbroath 1320
An awful lot of waste in there!
Aye well there’s an awful lot of *ahem* proof to get rid of isn’t there? 😛
Brilliant Calgacus, 😛
Meanwhile the state broadcaster is running non stop adverts about a debate between a nonentity and an irrelevance.
One leads a party with no MP’s. and the other soon to lead a party with no MP’s.
Set your recorders in advance for fear of missing out.
This is a tebbirle story. Absolutely diriculous.
@call me dave
The Scotsman story also says “Independence day” not referendum day.
I think it’s a ruse to put those Scottish BT MP’s on the spot, do they want to hear the more rapid right wing tory MP saying “Scotland should go now, the sooner the better”?
Maybe he could hang that lovely union jacket of his up in the window,
along wi a row of those matching mugs nobody wants from his crowd-funder.
Then stand back and watch them $$$’s rolling in 🙂
O/T but shows its always worth looking behind unionist stuff with this very hard all Scots teens vote No CiF in Guardian today. Usual stuff but then someone looks for the whole and original article published 6 months ago and its laugh out loud what the Guardian’s cut from the original. If you’re out there Albannach, nice one!
link to theguardian.com “The Guardian, attacking democracy in Scotland since ever…”
@Gillie says
PTSD – Post Traumatic Sticker Disorder
ACE ! 😀
Murray is going got come unstuck over this stickeratti saga.
EFF EFF Sake …going to…
kendomacaroonbar – deep breath and then ………. breathe out – repeat until calm. : D
@ TJenny
Ah cannae cope…. this spell sticker is getting on mah moobs …:-(
So what happens if someone covered his door with Better Together stickers, would that be considered as advertising?
kendomacaroonbar – relax, all will be well, as there will be no spell stickers in an indy Scotland.
Stickers are a pain in the arse to remove properly (unless we are dealing with a vandal considerate enough to use low tac stickers) and given the state of that door I doubt the effort was put in. If there were stickers then there should still be evidence of their stickiness.
I bet they’ll blame Bill Posters… he’s always in the frame for this kinda thing.
Yesterday man.
O/T.
The FT has come up trumps again, allegedly.
A currency union would be best for all of Britain
link to archive.is
Then there’s this?
The real cause for unionist unionist concern
link to blogs.ft.com
I can’t get past the paywall, but if someone can?
waste of guid stickers!
seriously if you are distributing these within the area
near a unionist would be politicians office please ask that they do not stick them on his door. it can obviously cause severe mental anguish. Poor wee soul. So easily upset.
It wasnt that a couple of weeks ago when lamp posts throughout Bo’ness were covered in BT stickers. Quarter of an hour and a couple of broken finger nails and you would never know they had been there. oops I just thought of something I didn’t take picture of these offending objects so maybe they were a figment of MY iagination
@alexicon
link to archive.is
Section 52 of Criminal Law (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 1995. Legislation for vandalism. It is an offence for any person to wilfully or recklessly destroy or damage the property of another without reasonable excuse.
Does placing of stickers quantify the above charge?? I have sincere doubts!!
“I will always be open and honest and act with transparency and integrity as a Member of Parliament.”
That was his April fools day joke right?
Rooster – when removing stickers from anything a squirt of Pledge will take it off cleanly, note it must be Pledge Mr Sheen doesn’t work the same.
@Desimond and @Ronnie Cowan
sorry folks, not having a good day as far as accuracy of recall is concerned. Must be the lack of tea/coffee/rum 🙁
Of course War Cry is Sally and Watchtower is JW – just indicates my level of belief awareness.
cynicalHighlander
Thank you for posting that.
Sounds like an inside job to me, a false flag scenario, or maybe Ian Murray is secretly a YES supporter, and if this is what passes for news in the Daily Mail, then Mr Dacre better get his finger out and write about something worth reading.
If the Daily Mail are defending him its obviously a complete fabrication.
Thanks cynicalHighlander, I tried archive, but it still come up with the paywall.
Interesting reading and it does give an incite into the negatives sides fear.
It’s not working for them and it may give some reasoning why they’ve started to come after the cybernats again.
Maybe we’ll see the daily malice with a nice wee feature again.
I bet they’ll blame Bill Posters… he’s always in the frame for this kinda thing.
Is Bill any relation to Walter Wall, the carpet salesman? He didn’t make any sales though, apparently you need a flair for it.
@alexicon
couldn’t find that particular blog but, the FT is looking for panel members to comment on the independence debate link to blogs.ft.com
O/T
All that chatter about nukes after the ‘leak’ at the weekend, then this:
Secret talks on future of Britain’s nuclear arsenal
• UK’s nuclear arsenal relies on US components
• Nature, cost, and timing, of new warheads will also depend on US
link to theguardian.com
@alexicon
One has a limit to view per month to get round this post url into google, remove ‘registration=false’ at the end then re-copy that url from list given and paste into archive should do the trick.
Just been reading Murray’s response tweeted to Alan Roden. Apparently his staff removed the offending stickers,and he informed the Chief Inspector no less by email in an informal basis. His staff will now have a visit from a special unit to teach them how to respond to such attacks. Not quite sure how that works, my tip about Pledge is a lot less expensive than a visit from the police. The man has no shame.
O/T.
Ed Miliband is accusing Alex Salmond of being in the pockets of the big six energy firms, even though when Labour were last in power, energy bills rose by 60%, and Ed Miliband was energy minister and did nothing to help the public.
Alistair Darling has come out and said securing a no vote, will be the pinnacle of his career, Darling was visiting White House products in Port Glasgow, who employ 22 people, and the firm said they’re planning to move south if Scots vote yes.
Poverty levels in Labour constituencies
Willie Bain Labour MP 43%
Anas Sarwar Labour MP 37%
Margaret Curran Labour MP 35%
All three MP’s voted last week to increase child poverty in Scotland by by backing a cap on welfare. Ed Miliband ordered Labour MP’s to back the governments cap on welfare. Labour shadow chancellor Ed Balls even boasted it was his idea in the first place.
All above stories found in the Daily Record
Let’s crowdfund a bottle of turps for the puir wee soul.
My son’s bedroom is a disaster area so I have threatened him with a Panini sticker if he doesn’t clear it up.
Should do the trick.
I think the point missed here is that after the decent press information sites like Wings etc picked up recently the No campain has stepped up it’s attempts to discredit these sources of information and persuade the undecided from visiting these sites, only today I was fielding a couple of questions about currency and the EU I mentioned this site as a place to go for well reasoned answers but one reaction was “not those internet nutters”.
*campaign* sorry.
Door gate?
Pat
With due respect to Wings, in future if you get such a reaction get them to try Business for Scotland for economic facts and they are on Telly.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
It really is a slow news day when we spend our time arguing whether applying a sticker to a window is a criminal offence.
I’ll bet all this seemed like a good idea at the time.
😉
Looking at the photographs taken last night and published on wings whatever happened to his office was not vandalism!
Might I suggest a minor nuisance, instead?
These Unionist politicians make me laugh ,he says the debate is getting poisonous .
Yes because people like him Darling ,Brian Wilson Foulkes etc telling lies and trying to stir up strife when there is none.
Post Mar 2016 these men are making life very difficult for themselves.
People will not quickly forget this nonsense and ridiculous behaviour.
I’ve just read what Labour MP Ian Murray has put up on his blog about the (non existent) ‘vandalism’ to which he referred in his tweet yesterday.
I’ll make 4 points;
Actually I was going to, but I won’t. There is only one point needs made:
1. Seriously though, a grown man getting upset about stickers?? FFS!
link to en.wikipedia.org 🙂
This is crying out for some crowdsourcing.
We chip in, buy some paint and send down a smiling helpful Wings Team to make that door look luvvly-jubbly!
ATOS can assess each candidate to tell them if their are up to the Task. Anyone not passed as fit for work can discuss Bedroom tax and other Benefit issues with the nice MP.
@Robert Louis
Imagine how his Secretary feels every time they reach for the post-it pad!
With regards to the “update”, my 6 yr old son plastered stickers all over the outside of his bedroom door. I don’t like them, they are unsightly. Since the door in fact belongs to me, should I phone the police and ask them to arrest him for vandalizing my door?
Come on Rev…you know it makes sense..
link to imagemakergraphics.com
Desimond
Happy to do it, so long as I get a pay slip and it takes less than 16hrs to complete. 🙂
Glasgow City always consider the cone on the Duke of Wellington’s head to be ‘vandalism’. I do personally get a bit annoyed with stickers from fans of certain football clubs being plastered around Glasgow city center, but those stickers are an eyesore, not vandalism. I would, of course, blow my top if any put union jack stickers on my house or car, but I might feel more kind if they were ‘smiley’ faces. I’m not sure how such a positive thing as the word ‘yes’ could be intimidating, but if it’s to be used in the context of saying ‘this has gone too far’, then pictures should be taken (and presented)…
Just read his justification,well his attempt at slur..ok,his outright embarrassment.
Still ROFLHMS,lucky I can even type this!
It’s difficult to miss the fact that when given plenty of opportunity to provide evidence of criminal acts on the part of YES supporters that Ian Murray MP completely failed to do so. That’s on top of the fact he openly acknowledges on his Twitter account that his claim of criminality has produced an enormous amount of public interest and internet traffic.
@Call me Dave
Kudos to the SNP MP Angus McNeil for saying this in his Bill submission…
“It would be wrong for Scottish MPs and their staff to be employed here when their constituents have moved on and become a successful Scotland with an oil fund in the same model of Norway.”
These kind of attacks are disgraceful and are happening everywhere from both sides. Just today I saw three cars which had been defaced with UKOK stickers on their rear windscreen.
What’s worse is these vandals seem to be targeting the most miserable, humourless people in the community.
Which journalists “checked this out”? How many? Why aren’t they named? Were any of them from the Scottish Daily Mail? Why didn’t they take any pictures?
[No journalists attended the scene. Mr Murray told them what he alleges happened and they took him at his word.]
Of course they would take Murray at his word 😀 😀 The MSM in Scotland really are corrupt.
Rodent has it in for the nasty cybernats.
link to twitter.com
Rev can you not sue the knuckledraggers for breach of copyright?
Looks like your an alien. Ha ha ha.
link to twitter.com
Annan Urrahing @ 2.48
If you’re going to tell jokes like that, one of us has to change their name.
Alexicon
Who did “Stronger United”score against?
Hope it wasn’t Rangers….they’ll be totally baffled who cheer for.
i thought I had cringed as much as I would today, sadly I was so very wrong. The sheer conniving GIRFUY dripping through this article, perpetuated by Stirling Council, has me feeling totally disgusted with some of our countryfolk.
link to scotsman.com
Sorry did I say “Rodent” I meant Roden.
Has everybody got their false moustaches and beards for the paparazzi on Friday night?
Caw cannie Alexicon ye’ll upset Patrick!
Desimond, the better together mob seem to think they have a monopoly on the armed forces.
I hope some of us go to armed forces day and show our troops that ‘YES’ also supporter the troops.
O/T Take a look at this, as Stirling unveils a so called spectacular day for armed services, quick pass the sick bucket.
link to armedforcesday.org.uk
No update of posts for me since 16:20. DDOS again?
Rev
What happened? A 503 error message came up about ten minutes ago.The sites just came back up minus the link to Murrays reply and all posts after 4:26 removed.
It’s alright,panic over,everything back to normal.
I just got on a minute ago. Something up?
Andy B. have you seen the ONLY flags you can buy?
link to armedforcesday.org.uk
Conan
Just a blip.
@Desimond
@Alexicon
@Andy-B
Re Armed Forces Day. This is a bit out of date but worth a read.
link to clans2014.com
RE Scotsman article and armed forces day.
link to archive.is
Military chiefs who attended the launch of the event at Stirling Castle insisted there was no question that the event had been deliberately timed to clash with the Bannockburn event.
Am I reading that right?
Want to know what the cctv saw?
Easy but be quick. Put in a freedom of information request for the footage. £10.
Be quick mind.
O/T Rev, I don’t if you know about this guy but he’s posted several accusation against you, on his facebook site he sound a real cracker.
link to facebook.com
scrolled through 177 posts just to say “whit a baw bag”.
link to ianmurraymp.wordpress.com is a long winded whine but why did they not take any photos of this nightmare sticker attack for future evidence/investigations etc and to show on his internet thingee here? Very weird.
This clown really needs to get a grip. Talk about attention seeking!
So, he got stickered …aw diddums!
If he keeps up this nonsense, then I think his constituents will be scouting around for a new candidate…
If Ian Murray had tweeted, ‘Yes stickers on my windows, damned nuisance for my staff’, but he choose to go for the much more hyped and sinister ‘vandalism’ approach to make it fit with his narrative of abuse.
He continues it in his explanation. A straightforward tactic, but he hadn’t expected to be called out on his account in the first place.
Perhaps someone has a newspaper cutting covering his response when the door was really vandalised a couple of years ago.
andy b looks like stronger united from twitter he is a baw bag
Scottish Skier
Military chiefs who attended the launch of the event at Stirling Castle insisted there was no question that the event had been deliberately timed to clash with the Bannockburn event.
Am I reading that right?
No, mate …and they’ve even emphasised that there will be twice as many folk at their event than there will be at the Bannockburn Live event (apparently 50,000 …I’m assuming that their including everybody who lives in Stirling as actually being at the event. Yep …we Agnes got a great view from her kitchen window 7 miles away).
They had years to do this …but of all the days it had to fall on …they had to land it right on the 700th anniversary of Bannockburn.
Andy-B,
LoL someone has a serious problem with Alex Salmond.
I wonder if it’s OBE?
Did you read that Mr Roden?
No, mate… ….AAAARGH ….should be ‘Yes, mate’. Rev …bring back the ‘Edit’ function.
“I can take personal abuse but it’s getting out of control.” is a long long way to “I said clearly that the vandalism incident was minor but that I was reporting it informally as I was getting increasingly concerned at the poisonous nature of the referendum and whilst I was happy to take all the personal abuse that is levied on twitter, via email and in person I would not subject my staff to such abuse.”
So minor unproven vandalism today was “its getting out of control” yesterday.
What abuse is Mr Murray not subjecting his staff to though? or just more unionist bleh.
Did his original post not have a photo of the green door attached, or did I make that up?
Cut to the chase, he’s a lying twat.
Just read that Daily Mail article about evil cybernats. When online I always try to make a point of not using abusive language, and I don’t hide behind a fake facebook account. I have numerous screenshots recording abuse hurled at me, some of it verging on threats and hate-crime from BT which I’d be more than happy to share with the Daily Mail if they’re interested in balance and honest journa……..oops what am I talking about, no such thing as an honest daily mail journalist.
I’m proud of the cybernat label.
Passing the Yes Scotland offices in Glasgow yesterday I saw what appeared to be a pro-union sticker stuck on their window. I think it says a lot for the maturity of the Yes campaign compared to the childishness of the No camp that nothing was made of this by Yes.
Although anybody could get a few Yes stickers and put them on a door. Its a wonder Alan Roden or Ian Murray didn’t just do this to make the Yes campaign look bad.
The press did not send anyone round to take pictures.
so he’s saying Peres went there just to look?
press
Andy-B
Have reported that page as hate speech to fb
Rev they just f*ckin hate the fact that you reside in Bath they get a wee dig about it all the time, one minute it’s better together we need to support the folk in Manchester, Motherwell etc but then they can’t stand the fact that a Scotsman lives in Bath. It’s not as if they precede every mention of the Tories with where they live eg London based dickheid Cameron said..
Ian Murray knew exactly what he was doing when he tweeted about vandalism. I do not condone placing stickers anywhere but Murray tried to get maximum attention by calling it vandalism.The rev is quite right not to take down the blog.
Oh and by the way Edinburgh will be totally Vandalised during the festival once the fly posters get to work.
Murray was at Westminster today telling Call me Dave and the rest about the horrific accident at Liberton High School. My Great niece is in Keane,s year and very upset . I was one of the first pupils at that school and I remember that wall! We are upset . Something churned in my stomach when I heard Murray at Westminster . He is actually Politicising this dreadful accident! Disgraceful!
O/T
Ladies and gents, I do wish you would start taking your used heroin needles home with.
BBC Scotland’s very own Anti-Independence detective, Eleanor Bradford is out and about on the hunt for used heroin needles in a town near you.
And she’s found hunners.
Even two outside a Scottish Government building.
All stories on Reporting Scotland tonight were,
SNP Bad,
The Rest Good
I noticed Ian Murray tried to angle in the tragedy of the young girl at the school. Cynical attempt.
I’m sure he will continue to try to work on that.
Stick it to ’em Stu!
Nice one Stu – they are just desperately grubbing about in the underqrowth for anything to hold on to in their ever decreasing tenous finger nail clawing for survival.
Perhaps we, as a mark of good faith and gesture of atonement, we should offer to have his doors painted for him.
Perhaps it could even have it’s own crowd sourcing page, come on, quid each, hire a propper decorator.
@ Alfresco Dent, agreed but he’s illiterate too, as in how the feck do you “levy” the abuse MP Murray bizarre blog/whinge states, “whilst I was happy to take all the personal abuse that is levied on twitter”
Is this a new Slab tax on cybernats, the big chump.
@a2 – Sorry think I’ll pass on that one as I would rather shite in his lobby than paint his doors
Can you imagine the way the press would have reacted if this indeed was an snp mp making the same allegations. The mp in question would have been vilified and called every conceivable name under the sun.
Flower of scotland – My old school as well (1980’s )I ‘m sure you know that’s the third incident at the school in the last 12 months. The pupil who feel down a lift shaft, the boy who died playing football and now this. Murray at PMQ’s because that’s where his real interests lie. A real MP would’ve went home to see and make sure council do a proper investigation and make sure HSE are involved. In addition a pupli had already reported to the school the state of that wall. Someone is responsible for making the call that the wall was safe. They deserve a kicking.
Not wanting to get all tin foil hat on this,
But was the “evidence” photo on Murrays website taken from inside his office looking out or the outside looking in?
It’s the road marking that are throwing me…..are they a reflection on the glass?
The alleged sticker looks like a home made effort, using those self-adhesive paper address labels. Not terribly sticky.
ANYWAY. Let me get this straight – this story is about a Labour MP attempting to concoct a story of abuse by members of the public who happen to support a differing view on one issue, and to do this he contacted The Daily Mail for assistance. It was so pathetic that even they refused to sex it up into any sort of story.
Is that about right? *shakes head in disbelief*
Stu
can you give the exact timeline from twitter
my times seem mixed up as the post looks to have been posted approx 1am in the morning
I think this is my bad bad evil pooter
??? can someone post proper timeline and also stu when did your pal go take photos? exact time if possible
thanks
Ananurhing says
“These kind of attacks are disgraceful and are happening everywhere from both sides. Just today I saw three cars which had been defaced with UKOK stickers on their rear windscreen.”
THREE!
where the hell were you?
Esher?
What stupid man.
First he alleges vandalism, which most people do think of as quite a serious matter. Mr Murray is a politician, and as such he is very aware of the power of words and of the implications of particular juxtapositions. So there is no way this could have been accidental hyperbole. He knew what he was doing and he knew that it was likely to escalate division and bitterness.
Then to his shame, when called on it, he used two other reprehensible tactics. First he says he had not time to answer the challenge, because he was busy with other matters. We know what he hopes we will think he was doing and his coyness does not change that: it reinforces it. What he was actually doing may be characterised in different ways, as Flower of Scotland points out above: but I will give him the benefit of the real doubt there. The fact remains that he uses implication again to suggest that this internet stuff is quite trivial in the scheme of things: which is rich coming from the man who began it. Second he hides behind the “Women and children” defence. He was not concerned for himself but for his staff, who have been subjected to “abuse”. Since when did statements like “vote X” constitute “abuse”? Since when did having to remove a few stickers constitute “abuse”? Again we see the careful “abuse” of words and the aim is as usual: people will forget what actually happened, but they will remember that word and it will colour their views when the incident has faded to opinion. Or so he hopes. With some reasonable justification, for he has his media pals to help with more stories of this sort, all of which will no doubt make reference to this one in passing and without detail. Thus is opinion shaped.
And he also makes great play of “inaccuracies” in the blog post, again implying that the eebil cybernats are not to be trusted, though nobody can be in any doubt who is the untrustworthy person here. Not today. Though again he hopes that the facts will be forgotten over time
It is trivial in one sense: but in terms of drip feed effect it not trivial at all.
This man is a disgrace to his office and to his party and to his position on the debate
“It was not right that they had to clean these stickers off the windows and doors yesterday and it is not right that they have to work in such an environment. The Chief Inspector agreed and has arranged for my office to have a crime prevention survey done to best protect my staff.”
Do the Edinburgh Police not have better things to do than “best protect my staff” from one fake sticker Mr Murray? Must be great being a cop in Embro.
No photos.
No stickers.
No journalists
No vandalism.
No apology.
StickerGate sure has produced a shitstorm that has all blown back in the faces of Murray and Roden.
More StinkGate than StickerGate now.
s an ex cop I would concur that this is “NO CRIME” if you or I reported this to the police we would be laughed at. unless maybe you were a Labor MP
@sneddon
Yeah! I do know all that but I’ve got a funny feeling , that if we were not in a referendum, Murray would have been no where to be seen! Remember Kenny Macaskill is also MP for that area.
I’m not being mean but it went all the way to Westminster! When did that last happen! He is bleating about the fact that the Councils don’t get enough money from the Scottish Gov. SO increase in council tax is needed! I can read his mind! He will politicise ANYTHING! As I said it’s disgusting!
To add: Mr Murray says the account was given without checking: well if he were talking about the Mail he would be right. But Rev Campbell did check: he phoned the office and they would not say what happened. How does Mr Murry get from a very normal way of fact checking to no checking?
I wonder if Stuart (or Stewart) is safe in his job now that it appears he is not prepared to lie for his boss?
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The Rev’s website looks a wee bit strange tonight, anybody else notice differences. After Ian Murray MP tweeted to the world that his offices were vandalised (with no details) by the YES campaign, attracting 40-odd re-tweets, journalists, labour activists, Better Together and Police Scotland to the issue, he now says on his blog ‘it wasn’t a story’. #moron
This puts Alan Roden in very difficult position. He has been shafted by Murray.
I wonder if Mr Murray has given any thought to what he will do for gainful employment after 24/03/16 (ma 60th burthday 🙂 )
have you considered ahem, window cleaning?
runs like hell 😉
Dont be silly, john king. Mr Murray has staff who do that…..oh, wait..
Did he call in the police?
If he did, and there’s no substance to his accusation, he has wasted police time.
If Ian Murray says he was watching the twilight zone,same time he tweeted I will forgive him
I thought this was an April Fool at first, but it looks like some of the independence campaigners in Venice are going way beyond stickers:
link to archive.is
Nobody be getting any ideas.
fIONA SAYS
“Dont be silly, john king.”
Please Fiona, lets not be formal call me John (smarmy grin)
@John King
I have a couple of clean-up and other janitorial franchise offers if he finds himself short.
If Croompenstein gets into the Lobby and leave what he threatened, Mr Murray may need these services.
I’ve just read this whiny, sanctimonious, poo-stirring little twonk’s blog about this. My WORD, what a pathetic wee dribble of a politician. The part that really ruled me was his self-righteous “I can cope with it because I’m am a big, strong, politician, but WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF MY POOR, DEFENCELESS STAFF?!?!” crap. That’s his staff who are paid to make him look good (or at least competent – poor folk), being asked to…remove some (at least one – any more?) stickers from their windows. My heart positively bleeds – how, indeed, are they expected to work in such a HORRIFIC environment?!?!
“I have a couple of clean-up and other janitorial franchise offers if he finds himself short.”
Ive found myself caught short in France, its not a good thing 🙁
Flower Of Scotland- Totally agree, the difference between Kenny and Ian in terms of contactability and approachability is like night and day. It shows the difference in having a MSP who lives in the aera compared to one who turns up when he has to or it suits him. WTF do ‘opposition’ MPs do wth their time when they agree with most of the tory policies and even vote for them? wasters the lot of them, Murray’s majority is only 300 odd, he’ll be oot on his arse come 2015
I see WoS has its very own ‘green door’ now (banner heading) – no stickers just the truth within.
Midnight one more night without sleepin’ –
Watchin’ till the morning comes creepin’.
Green door what’s that secret you’re keepin’?
There’s an old piano
And they play it hot
Behind the green door (Green Door)
Don’t know what they’re doin’
But they laugh a lot
Behind the green door. (Green Door)
Wish they’d let me in
So I could find out
What’s behind the green door. (Green Door)
Knocked once tried to tell ’em I’d been there
Door slammed hospitality’s thin there.
Wonder just what’s goin’ on in there.
Saw an eyeball peepin’ through a smokey cloud
Behind the green door (Green Door)
When I said Joe sent me
Someone laughed out loud
Behind the green door. (green Door)
AII I want to do is join the happy crowd
Behind the green door. (green door)
Midnight one more night without sleepin’ –
Watchin’ till the morning comes creepin’.
Green door what’s that secret you’re keepin’?
There’s an old piano and they play it hot
Behind the green door (Green Door)
Don’t know what they’re doin’
But they laugh a lot
Behind the green door. (Green Door)
Wish they’d let me in
So I could find out what’s
Behind the green door. (Green Door)
Very, VERY suspicious that there are no pictures. Surely the first thing even a brainless Labour MP or his dumb activists would do would be to take a photo for evidence to the Daily Heil or even the Police.
This has been clearly a foot-shooting lie from beginning to end. Maybe (un)co-ordinated with Darling Dear to try to big up the attacks on the dupe Bill Munro, one of their tame ‘UNDECIDED?’ business ‘leaders.’
john king said: I’ve found myself caught short in France
Same thing happened to me in Corfu – Cor-blimey more like.
And sorry I can’t join you at the Counting House this Friday as I have to be at the Sheep Heid instead. However, I shall be with you in spirit. Gin, most likely.
Major
Playing skittles, again?
yes skittles, not skitters.
Sorry to hear you wont be there Major, I as looking forward to meeting you again,
Bugger, I take it you also wont be there?
Planning to ensure your visage will be in attendance though!
@John King
Couldn’t make this one but glad my physog will be there.
BtP
@ John King
Give T Jenny a peck on the cheek from a Panda.
I’ll have a cold one for you
You heard that TJenny ,Im only following orders