Wings Over Scotland

That sent a shiver down my spine.

Instantly recognisable. Nice one Chris

Chilling but not at all funny. This is ART.

Fantastic work.(Don’t pay him any more dosh Stu . He’ll squander it on holidays)

Hamish looks sweet and meek.

He isn’t, though, is he?

The sainted Nicola will save us.

anyhoo,

Hope all the patriots have a great day in Oban,(Gateway to the Isles),

looks like sunshine with a little drizzle to help you keep cool,

as they said in `Hill Street Blues`,

‘Let’s be careful out there’.

Assertive, aggressive English nationalism, the vicious new kid on the block…..
Meh! Yah boo sucks!
Hope there’s more than that in Hamish’s armoury.

David -v- Goliath – and we all know the outcome of that one! 🙂

Well done again Chris. This is a scary time Boris is not a buffoon he is a cold calculating egotist of the worst kind. I would not like to be in the shoes of anyone who attempts to say no to this character. On the other hand Im sure that he will destroy England.

Bela Lugosi isn’t dead.
Thee bestest cartoon I have ever seen in a long long time.
If that doesn’t scare the shit out of us into action, then God save us.

and from his old head teacher.

link to indy100.com

Boris certainly is scary, but maybe a big bad bogey man is just what Scottish ‘fence sitters’ need to let them see the reality of this union.

Boris has been quiet, or perhaps his minders have been keeping him silent. However, once he has been crowned his reign of madness will begin. This arrogance will tell him he can do what he wants to Scotland and get away with it. We need to deliver, in response, an accolade he won’t expect – last ever PM of the UK.

Run between his legs then push him of the cliff he’ll drive the UK over given half a chance. The fucker is a Tory and will be doing what they like to think of as a Power Stance and I think of as a huge sign saying kick here.

Thinking about Lemmings is wrong. Not just because the footage giving rise to the myth was faked but because what you should be thinking about is ants or zombies.

There are ants who get over bodies of water by clumping in a ball or raft. Those in bottom might not make it but sacrifices for the greater good and all that.

Zombies in World War Z and other fiction swarm over walls. The reverse is possible. Fill a gap or form a ramp and those driving them can pass any obstacle. More recently you’ve got Game of Thrones.

Not sure how disrespectful mentioning both World Wars and other conflicts is but some of the rhetoric seems familiar. The social gains secured by the proles thereafter will be completely reversed if those Tory bastards get their way. If you want a conspiracy theory then think about whether there’s a deliberate methodology in remembrance services that steals the valour of our ancestors and persuades us to disown it.

Youtube: Craig Murray 11/06/19 1:03:00

What I have been saying for years. Scottish independence is a threat to national security (UK heavily indebted and struggling to pay deficits already). Therefore MI5 will be involved deeply in this.

If Scotland somehow got politically independent then violence would be instigated to justify the deployment of security personnel in Scotland ‘to provide peace and stability’.

As he said – MI5 will have been involved with any independence movement for a long time. To derail any real attempt at independence at a critical time. Look at the current situation.

We only got 2014 because they underestimated us. Thats all. it wont happen again.

The answer? We need to stop following and putting faith in any one politician or political party. There wont be a referendum. Scotland will have to gain back ground slowly, 1 piece of legislation at a time.

Oh yes – MI5 arent the only ones who get involved. This blog is the most popular for Scottish independence. There will be actors from private PR companies watching also to guard against free thought on certain topics (the EU). Welcome to the internet.

The plan is so subtle it is transparent, they plan to have the Tories run Scotland no matter what the Scots vote for. All the powers they are taking back from the EU will be allocated to the new offices in Edinburgh in theory but the real power will be in Westminster. They are in Edinburgh to claim it is a Scottish decision and change Scotland’s laws at Westminster bequest.

Holyrood will be retained to decide on speed limits, drink driving levels, income tax (because they know it is a curse) and all other meaningless decisions.

Time to utilize the street cobbles?

Holyrood will be hollowed out and crippled as a sham in order to prevent any future indyref.

The way it’s being set up is any choice Holyrood makes can be countermanded at will by Westminster leaving only decisions they have no strong opinions on up to Scotland as the price of doing business.

One choice is on independence but the target for a mandate will constantly move so as to make it nigh impossible.
Without Holyrood that chicanery would be harder. A clear majority of Scotland’s seats at Westminster might not be automatically a trigger for immediate independence without a manifesto commitment but a referendum would. The only reason there isn’t one right now is because the SNP didn’t put it in their Westminster manifesto choosing instead to reinforce their mandate already gained at Holyrood.

The danger, to the union, is that if the unionists are too blatant about their con then the SNP will go for broke and stand on a straight UDI if there’s no immediate referendum platform and will win.

Aye, but what is Hamish hiding behind his back? A phaser set to full malkie?

@galamcennalath says: 15 June, 2019 at 11:06 am:

” … Aye, but what is Hamish hiding behind his back? A phaser set to full malkie?”

Hamish needs no phaser, nor even an auld roosty claymore set to wheech, to obtain Scotland’s return to being independent of Westminster.

All Hamish needs is a clear majority of the people of Scotland wanting a return to independence, “an it’s comin yet fir aa that”.

Good bike ride so far. The sun has just come out in Tyndrum.

I think we need a bigger Welly!

That’s one way of looking at Johnson!

Tory leadership contender is so unprincipled and dishonest he may retreat on the Border

link to archive.is

OT

1)For those who don’t follow the Rev’s twitter feed.

A teacher’s contribution to the gender debate

Basically, shut the feck up.

(Would love to know more about this)

link to twitter.com

2)For those btling about Chernobyl

The book to read is

Serhii Plokhy — Chernobyl: History Of A Tragedy

link to archive.is

The documentary about the capping of the reactor is being repeated on BBC4 Sunday at 8.00

link to windfallfilms.com

Hamish kicks him square in the nads and votes for Independence.

mumsyhugs says:
15 June, 2019 at 9:01 am

David -v- Goliath – and we all know the outcome of that one! ?

Aye, saw that one straight away too

A narcissist and pathological liar in Downing Street, Chris, pals with another in the Whitehouse is a sure fire bet they will take us into another war. Their hobby is measuring their phallus.

We certainly created a lot more pain for Scotland by failing in 2014. Our marches may have to get very threatening if we are to have a voice of our own.

You essential weekend reading:

The Scot who discovered Natural Selection: link to wp.me
The Scot who transformed Jaguar link to wp.me

Old Bo’Jos is the best thing that can happen to the Yes movement.

We’ve been stuck in the mid to high 40’s since 2014, but having a hard-Brexiting, Jockophobic, career idiot squatting in #10 might just bring that additional 10% over.

If he’s on form, he’ll do the last bit of heavy lifting for us.

Good one Chris. Scary or what!

The ”Horror Show.’

link to snp.org
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Thanks for that auld highlander. Worth posting in full.

@ auld highlander says at 9:10 ….”Said in jest?”

link to businessinsider.sg

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When Johnson was editor of the Spectator magazine in 2004, he sparked outrage in one part of the UK, when he authorised the publication of an apparently satirical poem describing Scottish people as “a verminous race” who should be exterminated.

‘Friendly Fire’ – By James Michie

The Scotch – what a verminous race!

Canny, pushy, chippy, they’re all over the place,

Battening off us with false bonhomie,

Polluting our stock, undermining our economy.

Down with sandy hair and knobbly knees!

Suppress the tartan dwarves and the Wee Frees!

Ban the kilt, the skean-dhu and the sporran

As provocatively, offensively foreign!

It’s time Hadrian’s Wall was refortified

To pen them in a ghetto on the other side.

I would go further. The nation

Deserves not merely isolation

But comprehensive extermination.

We must not flinch from a solution.

(I await legal prosecution.)

@Legerwood and Muscleguy: Ullapool does NOT have a railway link. I live in Lochbroom so would know if there was one!
Also my husband is a great-grandson of John Fowler, the Forth Bridge and other still-used railway infrastructure engineer, who bought Lochbroom estates and drew up plans for a railway here.

@Artyhetty says:15 June, 2019 at 1:02 pm:

… I am sure I read ages ago that he has dual UK/US citizenship? Could be wrong.”

Nope! You are correct and, what is more he was born in the USA, (NY). However, his pedigree is much more mixed than just USA/UK.

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson was born on 19 June 1964.

Boris was born to British parents in Manhattan’s Upper East Side in New York City. His birth was registered with both the US authorities and the city’s British Consulate, thereby granting him both American and British citizenship. His father, Stanley Johnson, was studying economics at Columbia University. Johnson’s maternal grandfather was the lawyer Sir James Fawcett. His paternal great grandfather was Circassian-Turkish journalist Ali Kemal. on his maternal side he is of mixed English and French descent and is a descendant of King George II of Great Britain. His mother was Charlotte Fawcett, an artist from a family of liberal intellectuals, she had married Stanley in 1963, prior to their move to the U.S. She is the granddaughter of Elias Avery Lowe, a palaeographer of Russian-Jewish descent and Helen Tracy Lowe-Porter, a translator of Thomas Mann. In reference to his varied ancestry, Johnson has described himself as a “one-man melting pot” – with a combination of Muslims, Jews, and Christians as great-grandparents. Johnson was given the middle name “Boris” after a Russian émigré his parents had once met.

@ Legerwood: I don’t trust my memory either!!

Robert Peffers says:
15 June, 2019 at 1:31 pm
@Artyhetty says:15 June, 2019 at 1:02 pm:

… I am sure I read ages ago that he has dual UK/US citizenship? Could be wrong.”
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He did not renounce his US citizenship until 2015-16 and then only after the US slapped a big tax bill on him. Sweet guy.

@manandboy says:15 June, 2019 at 2:08 pm:

” … It is not a policy any sane or decent politician could even consider. Of course, in a country whose dominant politicians are now Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn, this can no longer be ruled out.”

I’ve had the feeling for a while now that a likely result of the UK exit, (Brexit has always been a misnomer because Westminster is not the parliament of Britain, it is only the parliament of the United Kingdom so only the UK will exit), anyway I can see the result being that the UK will fall between the several trading blocs and end uo outside all of them.

So what happens to the UK when they leave the EU and the WTO doesn’t want them and neither does anyone else?

The former Commonwealth countries have now all joined other trading blocs and would probably not be keen to risk whatever trade deals they now have by throwing in their lot with the UK for I imagine most trading blocs will have rules to prevent members making trade deals with other countries or trade blocs.

The seem to have assumed that the WTO will welcome them with open arms – but will they?

Here’s what Electoral Calculus says of the latest UK YouGov poll …

BREXIT 309 seats [+309] (17 short of a majority)
LAB 170 [-92]
LIB 71 [+59]
SNP 55 [+20]
CON 22 [-296]
PLAID 4 [nc]
GREEN 1 [nc]

I think whoever the new Tory PM is, they will probably want to avoid an election anytime soon!

Run Scotland, very fast.

Erich Fromm’s ‘Fear of Freedom’- A Summary
link to revisesociology.com

link to transgendertrend.com

The Scottish Government seems determined to push through GenderID legislation, but without serious consultation.

The above article gives cause for believing that the SG may just be in a little bit too much of a hurry about the issue.

galamcennalath @2.57pm.

I would personally not read too much into those polls in relation to The Brexit Party.

Come a GE i just cannot see a follow through on what folk tell pollsters.

The recent Peterborough by election arguably supports that thinking.

Why could TBP not win a seat with a tiny 604 majority, and if they cannot win that seat in those circumstances (perfect storm of recent events for TBP) then how will they win over 300 seat where many will have 5 figure majorities to overturn ?

What really sticks out on those numbers, are the SNP polling projections.

Those figures are roughly the same as previous polling from before the Brexit Party even existed.

Those are the only consistent figures over recent polls.

That is the story for me, Scots gathering behind the SNP as we approach ukexit (again) which is a pretty hard indicator Scots want the SNP to defend our pretty obvious EU/indy credentials against what is to come.

Last time we won 56 seats AFTER an indyref.

This time we are potentially looking at 55 seats BEFORE an indyref, if WM has the stones to call a GE.

Even if they don’t call one, the sustained SNP support in voting intention polling, is good back up to show Scots want an indyref/Remain in the EU and totally reject Scotland being dragged out.

I reckon the SNP figures will concern the tories and labour more than the Brexit Party figures as they are a huge threat to the union, which is the only REAL show in town for WM as they have much more to lose from losing Scottish resources.

The tories will go into an election saying they need a majority to deliver brexit, and blame everyone else for frustrating it, and claim that splitting the tory vote with the Brexit Party will let labour steal power from them and stop their hard brexit.

If Boris delivers such a message, English voters will listen in my opinion.

The Brexit Party are just ukip by another name, a right wing tool used to keep the tories on their toes.

Perhaps we should print a handout of Boris’s poem about Scotland ,written in 2004. I think it was called “Friendly Fire”.That would open some eyes right enough.

@ Al-Stuart at 2:45pm ….. ”Boris Johnson as PM is GREAT news for Scotland.”

Great post Al. Boris Johnston for PM is an absolute gift for us Independentistas. Even Colonel Gadaftie knows it.

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@ Sarah says at 1:12 pm … ”I live in Lochbroom”..

How lucky are you Sarah. I just love that part of Scotland from Lochcarron to Loch Broom.

link to youtube.com

@galamcennalath says:15 June, 2019 at 2:57 pm:

” … I think whoever the new Tory PM is, they will probably want to avoid an election anytime soon!”

Indeed but you do realise just how precarious a Tory government is no matter who becomes their next leader, don’t you?

All it will take will be for Jeremy Corbyn to stand up in the Westminster debating chamber and say, “I call a vote of no confidence in the Government,” and the game is up for the Tories who currently do not have a majority at Westminster. They face a GE whether they want one or not.

Now consider that Boris has difficulty curbing his insults and I just cannot see him not insulting Corbyn – can you?

galamcennalath says:
15 June, 2019 at 2:57 pm
Here’s what Electoral Calculus says of the latest UK YouGov poll …

BREXIT 309 seats [+309] (17 short of a majority)
LAB 170 [-92]
LIB 71 [+59]
SNP 55 [+20]
CON 22 [-296]
PLAID 4 [nc]
GREEN 1 [nc]

I think whoever the new Tory PM is, they will probably want to avoid an election anytime soon!

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disagree

ukip won the eu elections in england by pretty much the same margins last time round. cameron then backed an eu ref in the 2015 ge and ukips support withered a died

if bojo becomes a no deal pm,, the same will happen to the brexit party

in which case, bojo would be mad not to call a ge, indeed, without a majority in the hoc, he will have no choice

@manandboy says: 15 June, 2019 at 3:48 pm:

” … link to transgendertrend.com
The Scottish Government seems determined to push through GenderID legislation, but without serious consultation.
The above article gives cause for believing that the SG may just be in a little bit too much of a hurry about the issue.”

Excuse me, manandboy, but could you explain what the hell that article you cited has to do with the Scottish Government?

Now I must confess I know very little, well nothing really, about this subject of self assessed gender. To tell the truth, like other such personal matters of gender and sexual orientation of particular individuals I don’t really want to know what anyone assesses themselves to be. It is their business and not mine and, in the unlikely event I should find any problems with the matter, I’ll face them when they arise.

Thing is, though, I cannot see anything in the article you cite that has anything whatsoever to do with the Scottish government. Can you please enlighten me?

I am in bar in Inverness, far from home. On the wall there’s sample t-shirts for sale. One says “Stop the world Scotland wants to get on.” The craic in the bar is like-minded.
Walking back to the hoose along Kenneth St in my Yes2 t-shirt an Inverness Bluenose (there are many) yells ‘Rule Briitannia’ oot the car windae.
An Asian lassie passes me by at the same time.
Neither of us is quite sure which one of us the guy was shouting at.
We exchanged a smile and an unspoken camaraderie.
An hour earlier a young Turkish guy cut my hair.
”If Scotland stays in EU I’ll get a Scottish passport, no problem’, he tells me.
The soul of Scotland is on the line right here, right now.
It is internationalist an egalitarian at heart.
And I will fight to the utmost of my energy to help it find its voice.
At this moment in time, the most important in the history of the SNP and Scotland since the union, all else is so much fluff and navel-gazing.
For all that is right and good we have to win.

Abulhaq

What with Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya being put on the back burner, ISIS chased underground and the Ruskies sabotaging plans for a war against Syria. The MIC must be projecting serious cashflow problems.

Their pals in the political arena were not slow in denouncing the Iranians for the “Gulf of Omankin Incident”, though I believe Mundell tried to blame the SNP when he heard that the price of oil had gone up as a consequence.

@ Robert Peffers – perhaps I can clarify what the transgender training session for teachers has to do with the Scottish Government. Similar training and advice is carried out in Scotland. Schools, hospitals, prisons are all being advised to change their policies and practice to accomodate transgender people.

Here’s a sample of what Forwomen Scotland says in in the advice for schools:

SCHOOLS GUIDANCE
? Supporting transgender young people, produced by LGBT Youth Scotland, funded by Scottish Government and endorsed by Children’s Commissioner
? Adopted by 17 out of 32 Scottish local authorities (NB: compliance with guidance regarded as a ‘measure of success’ by City of Edinburgh Council)
? Guidance stipulates:
o Teachers should withhold information from parents if child transitions at school but does not want parents to know
o Children should be permitted to choose to use toilets, changing rooms and
shared accommodation on school trips based on their gender identity not sex
o Parents of other children would not be informed and if other children object,
they would be asked to use different facilities
o Children should be permitted to choose to compete in school sports
competitions (intra- and inter-school) based on gender identity not sex
? No local authority that has adopted the guidance has subjected it to an EQIA

I have not seen the advice myself so I can’t verify whether this is circulated to schools or not. Other sections cover the prison service, NHS and other organisations. If there are any teachers on WoS maybe they can update us?

link to forwomen.scot

Despite the best efforts of the Pro-Indy movement, in all its forms, over the decades, we’ve only ever crossed the 50% threshold on a handful of occasions, then promptly slipped below again thereafter.

The biggest obstacle has been the ‘better the devil you know’ mentality of the ‘soft’ No’s. (The GSTQ Rule Britannia brigade we’ll never convince).

But with Boris and a hard-Brexit, the ‘devil you know’ might well become so unbearable that Indy becomes a far more attractive proposition.

Under Scottish law, if the buffoonic retard were to enter Scotland, couldn’t we have him arrested and sectioned as an extreme danger to the sovereign people of Scotland.
This, of coutse, would be for an unlimited time and then, perhaps, after successful pioneering brain surgery.
What better example could a leading surgeon get. Scotland has given the world many breakthroughs in medical science. We should grab this opportunity with both hands as we continually try to make this universe a better place.

Robert Peffers says:

“There is only one electoral circumstance that can legally claim independence back for Scotland.”

How about at the next General Election, either the SNP or preferably a cross party pro-independence organisation, stand with a clear manifesto declaration.

Independence for Scotland in the event of receiving a majority of the votes … business as usual if they don’t.

Every Westminster election between now and Independence or Hell freezing over (whichever happens first), could and should be to determine Scotland’s future … Not to choose who is to be in charge of deck-chair shuffling on the domed HMS Britannia.

schrodingers cat says:

if bojo becomes a no deal pm

Yes, ordinary Tory voters and members would go along with that. And yes, it would dispense with the need for the Brexit party. However, would adopting that as an actual policy get enough wider backing? Polls imply (as far as I can remember) Leavers are split in half of whether they want a deal or not.

So, Boris gets told by the EU, you’ve got the only deal your getting. If he can’t get that through WM then he moves to No Deal, or he just dispenses with trying to renegotiate and adopts No Deal straight off. As Robert Peffers points out, the Tories are vulnerable to a vote of no confidence, especially if headed for no deal. Thus, Boris goes for an election. Could he stand on a no deal ticket? That could be step too far for many existing ‘moderate’ Tories.

If no deal happens, it seems more likely by cock up than by plan, for me.

Boris is out to look after Boris. A no deal would be a disaster and he’d get the blame.

So how does he navigate the Brexit problem?

At stake are …

The UK’s existence
The UK’s economy
The Tory party’s future
Boris’s place in history

He’s a devious scheming barstad. Is he a risk taker?

@Capella says: 15 June, 2019 at 5:53 pm:

” … Robert Peffers – perhaps I can clarify what the transgender training session for teachers has to do with the Scottish Government. Similar training and advice is carried out in Scotland. Schools, hospitals, prisons are all being advised to change their policies and practice to accomodate transgender people.”

Yes, Capella, but that isn’t what I’m asking about.

I’ll attempt to put it another way. All I can establish about this matter is that it was originally a Westminster Act. The SG stated they would review the Westminster Act with a view amend it. I can find that information on the Holyrood government website.

What I cannot find is any details of either the review or of any mention of Holyrood amendments. So either there has been no review and what is being fought over on social media is the Westminster act but the bitter infighting on social media seems to be aimed at the SG and/or the SNP who seem not to have brought the matter to the debating chamber as yet.

Now the only way I can perceive the SG being able to amend an already passed Westminster Act of Parliament is by proposing a bill to amend it at Holyrood. But bills are not laws and bills must be debated in the parliament, voted upon in the parliament, and the resultant bill presented for the Royal signature before they become an act.

I can find none of that on the Holyrood Parliament website. The only conclusion I can come to is that what is being advised on websites by every organisation except the SG and SNP can only be the Westminster Act of Parliament and as perceived by other organisations.

You must understand I know nothing about these sexual orientation or self proclaimed gender issues and really have no axe to grind but I have learned from past experience NOT to trust what people on Social Media claim about anything. Which is why I was trying to get to the root of the matter via the Holyrood Website in the first place. Of course whatever it is may fall under a title I do not associate with the subject or the subject matter.

Anyway, my problem is I read comments blaming the SG/SNP but referring to organisations I can find totally unconnected to the SG/SNP. Just who is it pushing these matters?, (and I do mean from both sides of the bitter battle).

However, the SG has not the power to amend the Westminster Act without a Holyrood Bill. But any Holyrood bill means that, whatever the bill is concerned with, it can only become an act after a debate and a vote in Holyrood.

My problem is that I cannot find, on the Holyrood parliament website, mention of either a bill to debate and vote on or the passing of a bill and the required Queen’s signature to make it an act.

So who is it that this bitter battle is being fought over?

Individuals or parties do not pass bills into acts = only parliaments can do that and I can find no trace that Holyrood has done so.

I like Peter Bell a lot, and while I take his point, I wouldn’t be too hasty to credit the likes of Davidson, Mundell or Richard Whatshisface with capacities they don’t have. Don’t look at the front line for a moment, look at the reserves, and then you realise the extent to which the Unionists are scraping the bottom of the barrel just to man a team that manages to turn up.

For Labour’s James Kelly there’s the Tory’s Jamie Greene. Shit stirring imbeciles with more fingers than brain cells. If the BBC didn’t airbrush their stupidity to make them look credible, the whole edifice of “Scottish” Unionism would be an even bigger laughing stock than it is now.

Why do you think they never press Davidson for an answer? Because the embarrassing spectacle of her having to find one would put her on the spot and reveal the extent of shallow and fickle grasp of anything more sophisticated than a one line crib sheet saying “No to a Second Referendum”. The BBC airbrushes their gaffs and limitations because it has to!

You know what terrifies the Unionist Propagandists? Those maps where the UK is blue but Scotland is all yellow. It’s not fear of the SNP, correction, it’s not just fear of the SNP, … it’s because it shows the gulf that exists and the growing divergence occurring between what matters to people South of the Border and what matters to us.

The propagandists NEED anchormen like Davidson and Leonard, because that’s their “Access All Areas” Pass to Scottish politics, and if they were exposed for the diddies they are, the Unionist narrative would collapse and have neither a foothold nor any relevance in Scotland. It would be like Scotland watching the BBC weather but knowing the BBC hadn’t any weather stations in Scotland.

Davidson and Leonard, and every other oddball in the creepshow pageant, are there to give BBC news the illusion of relevance to Scotland, and allow it to masquerade as “our” news.

Not all of them I admit, but I’d have concerns about some of these MSP’s and MP’s running a jumble sale with any degree of competence, and yet in a Country of 5+ million people, this is the cream of the crop that wants to govern Scotland? Seriously???

Serial losers like Davidson and Murdo can’t barely win an election in their own constituency. “This” is Scotland’s “B” Team Government? It’s a political Muppet Show.

Scotland’s politics, like Scotland’s sport, like Scotland’s industry, like Scotland’s news, IS ALL contaminated and stunted by a Union which distorts every one of these facets of Scottish life and self awareness.

Scotland said no to Brexit, and yet 3 years later we’re still driven to distraction by England’s Brexit, England’s MP’s, England’s New teams… all of it shovelled into our lives because we’re “British”. Shove this red, white and blue Cuckoo out of Scotland’s nest, and let’s begin to cultivate a conversation and political narrative that is actually homegrown here in Scotland.

“British” news is proxy news, shipped in from a different country.

This business with the selection of the gobshite oaf.

Was the present incumbent deliberately placed in the hot seat when the predecessor walked?

Was his walking the plan if he lost the in / out vote?

Was No Deal the plan all along?

Was the deal with the gobshite already done many months ago?

No matter what happens it stinks to high heaven.

Welsh Sion says:
15 June, 2019 at 7:01 pm

You don’t call him Boris the Animal then? It’s just Boris? 😉

@Abulhaq says:15 June, 2019 at 6:11 pm:

… All hail Robert Peffers! , the omniscient, the all wise, the….whatever… “

Seems I was correct in my most recent assessment of your intelligence, Abulhaq.

” .. You are becoming a parody in your fetishizing of the SNP and its leadership. Useful idiot? Not you….

Now there you go proving me correct, Abulhaq. Jumping to preconvieved and quite wrong conclusions. In spite of the many times I have posted that I have not, and do not always, agree with decisions made by either the FM, SG or SNP you promptly jump to wrong conclusions without a shred of evidence for your claims.

Have I not, many, many times, stated that making accusation on open forums only harms the independence movement and if you have complaints to take them directly to the person, party or the SG directly? I have even posted where to get their contact details here on Wings. In fact doing so will most certainly have some effect, dripping complaints on a daily basis on open forums will have no effect whatsoever.

So much for your idiotic claims of fetishisms. I’d warrant I’ve had many more arguments with both SNP branch officials and elected SNP people from councillors to first ministers than you have ever met. I do so to their faces, not on open forums.

” … We live in different political universes… “”

We sure as hell do, Abulhaq, we certainly do.

” … I dont trust politicians, especially when they get too full of themselves. NS is well on the verge.”

That’s bloody hilarious, Abulhaq. Best laugh I’ve had in a very long time. You talk of people, ” … being full of themselves”, yet if I was asked to name someone on Wings you exhibited such a tract, I’d have to say you came very close to the top of the list. Want to know something, Abulhaq? I cannot recall ever reading you saying on Wings something like, “In my humble opinion”, “I may be wrong”, or I don’t really know anything about something or other.

Now before we go any further I just replied to, Capella and said that I knew nothing about a certain subject and what I was replying to was questions I had asked because I didn’t understand a particular subject. I also frequently pose, “I may be wrong but … “.

Now I cannot ever recall you doing any of these things yet you are first in the queue to accuse others of being, “Know it alls”, even when they frequently say, “I may be wrong”. Don’t you know what that phrase means, Abulhaq? It means the person saying so is uncertain of what they are about to claim.

Oh! And BTW: It has long been my experience that people who make the sweeping generalisation, “I don’t trust Politicians”, have invariably been people who always think that they, and not the politicians, always knew best.

And another thing, I’m honest enough NOT to wish you to have a good evening when I don’t mean it – How about you?

Brilliance yet again Chris.
Nice One.

An image to behold- when Donald Johnson tells Boris Trump “to bark”, Boris won’t just bark he will drag his arse across the carpet like a dog with worms.
There is NO WAY we can accept this moron as PM.
Dialogue has to be the first line, but I am embarrassed to say civil unrest may have to come into the equation, anarchy solves nothing, but BORIS!!!

Scotland .. It’s time … to fight.

@Breeks says:
15 June, 2019 at 7:19 pm
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Pretty fair response and to some extent I agree with you. However, I think his wider point (UK and USA wide and elsewhere) is true. Not that I think the idea of destroying “truth” came about as a plot. It’s just a symptom of the corruption in modern society (though some of it has always existed) which is being used by guys like Trump, Johnson and even Davidson. Not perhaps fully aware of what they are doing but having a sleekit instinct for the mood of the times (and having no compunction about lying) and so unashamedly destroying truth in a way that politicians and the media rarely did before (their misleading of the public used to stick to some form of the truth, bending it a little, occasionally a lot) and its effect is perhaps amplified by modern communications systems in a way it couldn’t be in the past.

@Col.Blimp IV says: 15 June, 2019 at 6:19 pm:

” … How about at the next General Election, either the SNP or preferably a cross party pro-independence organisation, stand with a clear manifesto declaration.”

Well in the first place we can rule out the, “cross party pro-independence organisation”, idea. You cannot stand in a General Election unless you are a registered political party and that rules out cross-party organisations.

As to a party standing in an general election with a manifesto promise a.k.a. “declaration”, to declare independence it wouldn’t mean anything unless the party concerned obtained a clear majority of the votes.

Winning seats is not the same thing as getting a majority of the votes and without a majority of entire voting populations votes the party couldn’t claim to have a mandate from the legally sovereign people of Scotland.

All Westminster would need to do would be to advise unionists to boycott the election to negate any party getting a mandate of over 50% of the sovereign people’s vote.

Now I may be wrong here, but there hasn’t been an HMS Britannia to shuffle deck chairs on for a very long time. The last HMS Britannia was the Royal Naval College Shore Establishment formed from the earlier Britannias.

It retained the name until 1953, when it became known as HMS Dartmouth.

That’s a wee trick answer as HMS is the designation of Royal Navy ships and submarines only and they generally don’t have deck chairs to shuffle. Royal Yachts are designated HMY, (Her/His Majesy’s Yacht).

Seriously, but I may be wro9ng, the idea that even returning all Westminster seats to a party claiming that this would legally give Scotland indep0endence is not really creditable unless it also returned over 50% of the voting population of Scotland.

I’d just about bet that even getting a 50%+1 return on an independence referendum would result in a battle through the courts. The point is that it is the people who are sovereign under Scots law not either the government or the crown.

At least in a specific indyref the defence in a court case that those choosing not to vote were voting that they didn’t cate by not voting. Not so in a vote for Westminster seats.

I see some object to Boris Johnson being referred to as simple Boris. I see it as quite appropriate, demagogues are always referred to be their first names, Boris, Nigel Adolph, they are all of the same mould.

Also I see we are at the Caligula level governance by making your horse a senator with SelfID.

Arrgh! A post replying to Capella just vanished as I typed. So I don’t know if it was submitted or not.

I suppose I’ll have to wait and see if it turns up.

Apologies for double post at 11.41am, was trying to post on my phone with tiny keyboard and first attempt had a typo in the email address, hence no gravatar.

Phew, back home now with a poke of chips and a cuppa.
Rode over 250 miles on the bike traveling to and from Oban via Glencoe. What an excellent day and we pretty much stayed dry bar one shower just as we finished the convoy through the march in Oban.

If anyone has dealings with someone who says “Scotland is too small to manage on its own” or “There’s nae room for any more immigrants”… I’ll happily stick them on the back of my bike and drop them off at Glencoe and they can make their own way back home on foot.
The duration of the “short” walk and vista might give them time to adjust their thoughts and realise just how fookin mahoosif Scotland is!

We had an excellent response from the public as we rode past all the laybys full of outdoor enthusiasts and tourists waving and giving us the thumbs up.
There should be some excellent imagery capturing the day once folk get it edited and uploaded.

I get what you are saying there Robert P,(8.55pm) regards a unionist boycotted GE.

However, if the SNP put forward a specific mandate to dissolve the union treaty on a GE seat majority plus a 50 % plus vote share, and won 50% plus of votes cast, then that would indeed be a legitimate mandate, as anyone boycotting the vote, CHOOSES to do so and therefore removes themselves from the democratic process.

Otherwise, whats stopping Scots mass boycotting a GE due to the usual democratic deficit, and as such, delegitimising an entire uk GE every 5 years?

If you do not vote, you dont vote.

Didn’t Bercow make that very announcement in WM not do long ago when tories boycotted an opposition day motion then later tried to de-legitimise the result, only to be told by Bercow, result stands as will of the house, because you had a vote and CHOSE not to use it.

Ghillie at 8:59 pm

Aye exactly. Shine a light on his past deeds with a daily reminder, just to keep folks terror on the boil.

Shine a light on the solution – IndyRef2. Everyone to signal their demand for one by switching lights on and off at organised times.

Also about shedding light, does anyone know if Broadcasting Scotland or anybody else are interviewing BBC journalists/ presenters on a regular basis?

… you know, put THEM on the spot.

@Brian Doonthetoon says:15 June, 2019 at 9:47 pm:

” … I’m maybe reading you wrong here but you seem to be suggesting a similar situation to 1979, where the dead and non-voters were counted as a NO vote, due to the “40% of the electorate” scam.”

No, I’m not suggesting that at all.

” … I would suggest that if the SNP go into a Westminster general election, having in their manifesto that either a majority of seats, or a majority of votes, provided a mandate to dissolve the Treaty of Union, then on current opinion polling, the SNP would have around 55 of the 59 seats and, possibly, 50%+ of the vote.”

That is not the point, Brian Doonthetoon. Here are a couple of thoughts for you. Manifestos are really fairly meaningless in the first place as any reading of past manifestos and consequent spells in government will show. Most manifesto promises of any government are never achieved. They are more intentions than promises and, in any event they need to get past votes in the house. More to the point it can be taken as read that a vote for the SNP is a vote for independence for independence is the SNP’s
raison d’être.

What we are talking about here is the legality of a claim of independence and that is a different matter. Under Scots law it is the people who are legally sovereign and not either the crown or the parliament and that is either the parliament of Westminster or of Holyrood. So the simple answer is that only a majority of the sovereign people of Scotland can end the United Kingdom.

I’ll try and keep this brief but it isn’t easy. Let’s go back to 1706/7. The parliament of Scotland were factually illegally conned in one way or another into signing the Treaty of Union. However, things were a bit legally different back then as the commoners did not have the franchise it could be argued that the land owner/parliamentarians were legally entitled to sign the Treaty and that would tie up matters in courts. Then there would be the claim that by allowing the union to continue the Scots accepted it by custom and use, more court time. See where that is going?

Anyway, back to the present day and there is no doubt that the people of Scotland are legally sovereign now. So here’s the deal – when we elect an MP to Westminster we Scots delegate our sovereignty to those elected MP but under English law the people are the monarch of England’s subjects and although they elect the MPs those MPs are, (and have been since 1688), legally delegated the English Monarch’s sovereignty. So arguing any points about Westminster sovereignty in a court is fraught with problems.

Now we get to the meaty bits – In April of 1707 the Westminster Parliament of England sat and put itself into permanent recess and has never sat since. Westminster is not now the parliament of England it is the parliament of the United Kingdom. However, the old parliament of Scotland was only prorogued, (only temporarily in recess), and when Winnie Ewing opened the first Holyrood sitting she reconvened it as the old Scots parliament and that means the MSPs are not sovereign and neither is the crown because under Scots law the people are legally sovereign and Westminster has conceded that in the Supreme Court.

So the MSPs are sitting in the old Scots parliament where neither they or the crown are sovereign but the MSPs are delegated to exercise the people’s legal sovereignty.

If 51% of the people vote to end the union then that is legally the sovereign people’s will, the MSPs must respect that and so must the crown and Westminster. The crown has not been sovereign in Scotland since 1320, and Westminster accepted the Scottish Claim of Right, (sovereignty), in their Supreme court and MPs from Scotland are delegated the people’s sovereignty so we tell them to come home.

Scotland is independent – legally. If you are sovereign your word is law so no illegal UDI. What is more several Westminster Ministers of State have recently stated in parliament that in all international treaties any signatory to the treaty can legally end the treaty for no other reason that they want to.

So there it is we need only to win an independence referendum and Holyrood can legally declare the union is finished.

” … The mandate would have been delivered.”

A mandate is only permission to do some particular thing but would it have been granted by over 50% of the electorate to do that particular thing? Furthermore, the MPs from Scotland are Westminster MPs and sure as shooting Westminster would claim the delegated powers of the English monarchy include sovereignty.

They already attempt to claim that, “The Treaty of Union Extinguished the Kingdom of Scotland and renamed the Kingdom of England as the United Kingdom.”

The last thing we need is battles in the courts we could either lose or be tied up for years.

@ Robert Peffers says at 11:05 pm ……

I just want to say that I’m so grateful that you have chosen to post information on here Robert and it’s clear why so many people don’t want you to do so: Do their damndest in fact to shut you up. You’re a REAL threat to the Establishment Robert and we can see why they want to get rid of you. Keep on trucking mate. More than anything take care of yourself and don’t ever forget that you have contributed GREATLY to the Independence cause. What an educator. What a guy.

I saw some video of the Oban march. Looked like a good turnout. Great that so many made it -so well done everybody.

Bittie45 and Petra

Happy to 3rd that.

This is a seriously Orwellian prospect. I had been taking refuge in the protection of Scots Law under the Treaty of Union and the sovereignty of the Scottish people but now I’m really worried

link to caltonjock.com

Petra , may I fourth that!

Glad the march was a great success and delighted to hear that the bikers had such a good ,dry run.

Looking forward to photos!

I’m sorry but I completely disagree with RP regarding votes for independence. The argument that a GE majority cannot be used is akin to dancing on the head of a pin. Such a defeatist attitude. In Westminster’s terms, such a majority IS a mandate. Did our forefathers back in the time of King Robert the Bruce, really specify that a majority of the people of Scotland could only ever be representated by a referendum?

In a general election, People could have a clear choice, vote SNP = indy. They then decide how to vote. It is simple. Or are we to wait until the end of time, for ‘permission’ to hold a referendum??

I do understand all the technicalities RP cites, but no country when being told it is not allowed to decide on independence, would sit back and say, ‘well we’ll need to just keep asking for permission’. No, any other country would take an alternative approach. A wholly democratic approach, such as majority at a GE.

This constant negating of ideas to secure independence, because of ‘technicalities’, is akin to the Scottish cringe. It is a truly subservient mindset. “We cannae do it, because we’re no allowed”. get up off your knees SNP, FFS.

A democratic vote via a GE would be recognised worldwide, and THAT is what matters. England will disagree with the outcome, no matter what happens or how people vote. I would have thought the SNP would have grasped that by now. We need international recognition, not Westminster’s approval.

If a GE were called soon, and the SNP did NOT have indy and the immediate end of the union treaty, first and foremost as their policy with a majority of seats, then they will be punished by the electorate. They certainly would not get my vote, not with brexit and Boris the English clown in charge.

Sinky , he looks so ill he may not last the pace .

I loved the clip of him trying to talk to the ‘man in the street’ and the man in the street more or less told him to get raffled.

Is there perchance a cobble missing behind Hamish?

Politicians from a right wing party of another country, are allowed to stand in an oil producing country’s elections, and their bosses are also control of 85% of taxes in that nation (which doesn’t belong to them)
link to thehub.scot

link to newsnet.scot

link to thelondoneconomic.com

link to universalcreditsuffer.com

BritainThinks survey of mood in UK makes stark reading, especially its evidence of the divide between young and old
link to archive.fo

link to centreforbrexitstudiesblog.wordpress.com

link to chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com

Brexit: no-deal, big deal
link to eureferendum.com

@Col.Blimp IV says: 15 June, 2019 at 10:14 pm:

” … If you flick back to my post @6.15, you will see that I said “majority of votes”.”

Let’s not beat about the bush, Col.Blimp IV

It isn’t complicated in the slightest and it goes like this:-

Question: How did we get into this damned union?
Answer: By signing the Treaty of Union.

Question: How do we get out of this damned union?
Answer: Cancel the Treaty of Union.

What is the point of any other solution?

We are legally equally sovereign partner kingdoms in a two kingdom partnership of equals. We are not being treated as an equally sovereign partner in a two partner union of kingdoms.

The obvious solution is just what several Westminster Cabinet Ministers are on record of claiming at Westminster in relation to the United Kingdom leaving the European Union.

Their claim is legally correct and it is this, “In any international treaty any partner in the International Treaty who wants to withdraw from the international treaty has the legal right to do so for no other reason than they want to”.

But, as usual with Westminster they don’t add but mean, “Except for viewers in Scotland”, but legally it does apply to, “Viewers in Scotland”.

‘We have seen a great deal of uncertainty and division caused in recent times by holding a referendum to decide on issues of great national importance. It is clear, in light of the political turmoil in recent years, that any referendum held on the issue of Scottish Independence should require a 60-40 majority’

– the Tory leadership. Sometime in future.

@Clootie, I share your concern as do many I have spoken to over the last few weeks.

Last links

Starts at midday

Guests on this week’s Full Scottish, are Maggie Lennon, Director of the Bridges Programmes and Chris Stephens, SNP MP for Glasgow South West.
link to broadcastingscotland.scot

Shame on Vine and UK journalism on the whole that they have not held the Tories to account
link to twitter.com

link to theconversation.com

Seriously Scotland, how much longer can this horror show continue. The Brexit Tory mess is causing real stress in people’s lives, somthing has to break and soon before we all up broken.

Morning Nana! Delicious links , thank you but don’t overdo it!

My close friend has made me a cake for my birthday and then she added Christmas , then she added on Easter and if I said too many people enjoyed it with me she would make another. She is now stuck on a hamster wheel making me cakes !

I have thought about letting her off the hook and telling her not to do it because I appreciate the amount of work she puts into it ,but the cake is the best I’ve ever had and I just can’t bring myself to tell her to stop!

Orri

re the mamifesto

um.. keep it simple

bollox to boris
bollox to brexit
bollox to britain

vote snp for indy 🙂

Morning Legerwood,

“Remember how yesterday we sort of opted for sobriety? Well after reading through your links today, particularly the NYT one, I think I may revisit that decision”

I may have a head start on you, but I’ll save a seat for you in my local hostelry!

Also I posted this link yesterday morning on the previous thread

link to zdnet.com

can’t recall if I posted the following articles
link to forbes.com

link to iotevolutionworld.com

‘Arthur’s Seat says:
15 June, 2019 at 7:17 am
Escape to the sunshine!

Independence is the only answer – let’s all focus on one goal and leave the shambles ….’

Sorry for the late response – enjoying Oban yesterday.

Like both options.

Feel Independence from Westminster needs to be the emphasis to convince the waverers, as people think it is splitting the Union of Crowns not the Union of Parliaments. The UK question should come after our political separation.

@Legerwood

Now now. Stop that with the dropping of uncomfortable truths. You’ll upset the sensitive readers. If trump dislikes the communist oppressive rulers of China and there activities in the west, then we should automatically like China. Ok? Thats how it works here