Watching different games
This was Jamie Ross of Buzzfeed at the SNP conference yesterday.
But not everyone was having the same experience.
Daniel Sanderson of the Times, for example, was reporting it like this:
Although alert readers may have noticed that the timestamp on that tweet is almost half an hour before the First Minister’s speech actually began. The only way to settle it, obviously, is to look at the footage and see if we can spot those huge banks of empty seats that Sanderson wanted us to know about.
We have to say, folks, we’ve turned the brightness up and everything and as far as we can make out it looks an awful lot like it’s crammed to the rafters in every corner and standing room only. We’re not sure why Daniel Sanderson and the Times would want you to believe something else.
That’s the lamest attempt at propaganda I’ve seen in a long time. We all know they aren’t proper journalists but they’re not even competent propagandists.
Rev, are you going to mention this to Sanderson?
Why do they find it so difficult to write the truth? It is all we ask.
Obviously one of those arseholes whose gless is aye hauf-empty!
The Times obviously wants to go the way of the other dying print media-and of course tell the goons in London that the indy threat is over.
Suits us, lull them into a false sense of security.
Ha ha. I was there. It was packed.
Great speech by nicola with some excellent policies unveiled.
Mhairi blacks speech was outstanding. Honest, passionate and with vision for the whole of scotland. It chimed with everyone there. I swear if the whole country heard it we’d have Indy tomorrow. Sigh..,
Well done the snp on another fab event b
Fake news purveyors have to generate fake news.
{shrugs}
Well, plainly the SNP used CGI to make the hall look full….
Erm … Is it just me? Where are those stewards in Sanderson’s photo?
Greetings to all my friends at Conference, from Welsh Sion (in absentia).
I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that that last sentence is just a tad, em, facecious, mibbe 😉
The only empty seats were maybe in the press gallery.
Excellent article by Kevin McKenna in todays National!
It’s almost as if they’ve got some sort of agenda.¿
these journalists get union bonuses
Stewards ‘demanding’.
Oh here we go again – Truth & the alternative truth promoted by the media, Half of Scotland are in La La Land cut off from reality, While we had wall to wall coverage of the Unionist conferences even covered by the news channels endlessly, if you were interested and wanted to watch the biggest party in Scotland you had to go on a hunt , even having to resort to the BBC red button.
Even after all the shenanigans all the blocks and impediments , support for Independence has not went away and that must worry them , nothing tried so far has worked, Tough Shit eh .
I had a look at the BBC comments on the speech yesterday. I had to laugh at the Yoons going apoplectic at NS holding up a packet of Strepsils. According to the Yoons Nicola Sturgeon is one of the most vile people on the planet for taking the mickey out of poor Theresa May who was obviously ill.
I fear Dan’s not the man for probity or rectitude.
*Wearily shakes head*
No wonder the Dead Tree Press readership figures are tanking.
Mhairi Black’s stonking, passionate, rousing, highly articulate speech (and boy did J Corbyn get roasted), Nicola Sturgeon’s policy packed, fully in control of her awareness and her vision speech, Humz Yousaf, many other Government speakers, important resolutions content rich, an audience wall to wall, and a fringe of packed venues.
Just a guess, but that could have something to do with the desperate attempts from the washed out press trying to create a different impression.
If anything, that hall looks overcrowded – fire-safety people would, at the very least, notice folk standing against a wall, possibly along an exit. Why would they stand if any seats are free?
(btw, I’m probably not the only who is feeling some relief to see this post – seldom has a new thread been so welcome.)
There’s a rumour doing the rounds that the Blue Tories are going to ‘reverse haggis'(attr. A Marr, dickhead.) Article 50 and remain in the EU following pressure from the City and car manufacturers.
Secret polls show 65% Yes for Indyref 2 if the UK breaks with the EU with a No Deal/ Hard Brexit outcome to the talks.
The UK cannot afford to lose the vast resources of Scotland, and foreign car makers are threatening to move production back into the EU if England is outside the Single Market/Customs Union.
Meanwhile Nicola Sturgeon was inspirational in her address to a packed Conference receiving standing ovation after standing ovation from the enthusiastic crowd.
Angus Robertson confirmed that Indyref 2 is not on ‘the back boiler’, but a vibrant current issue, to be held once the Brexit Deal is known in October 2019.
Well, Sanderson of the Times, what news of the Boer War?
The facts unobligingly failed to live up to their much touted “SNP in serious decline” narrative, so they just had to invent their own “facts”.
BBC encountered a similar problem. They searched in vain for something SNPBAD to report and, try as they might, they couldn’t find it. As a result, BBC radio news broadcasts tried to ignore SNP proceedings altogether. No mention of the conference in Radio 4 news headlines at 10 last night.
This morning they tried to recruit someone to rubbish the publicly-owned energy company idea, with only limited success in response to heavily loaded questions.
If they can’t find anything bad to say they will invent it or they won’t say anything at all.
This clown’s pathetic attempt doesn’t make any sense on any level.
The timeline shows the speech wasn’t going to start for nearly half an hour and the photo might have been taken some time before that. I don’t go to these events but stewards at ones I’ve been to wouldn’t be doing their job if they didn’t manage the crowd to some extent.
His photo also shows a hall filling up the way they do normally. The lower tier fills up first for a number of reasons and then the higher one fills up from the middle outwards.
Anyway this comment is getting kind of boring so to cheer myself up a bit…Sanderson! Yer a yoon twat! Take yer Murdoch money and shove it up yer fat arse!
Deep breath and relaaxxxx…
Does that strepsils gag mean NS read my suggestion here that you take them down with humour?
Probably not.
But pleased to learn that it made the yooneratzi foam at the mouth.
If you look at the time-stamp on the times photo, it shows that this so called journalist, took the picture about 20 minutes before Nicola was scheduled to start.
It’s the kind of pathetic attempt some football supporters make to accuse others of having crap support, when they take a picture about 20 minutes before the game starts.
Of course this is the kind of football ‘banter’ that bores the breeks off anyone over 14 years of age.
What does this say about the Times? well how about this for a Headline:
The Times
The Journey from Respected Journalism, to Juvenile Banter.
by Daniel Sanderson.
The media wonder why they are detested and mistrusted by people… (sigh).
Bit of a QED moment there.
the times comment today
Alf young
For all the recent fanfare over the opening of the Queensferry Crossing over the Forth, construction has been the biggest drag on output
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Kenny Farquharson
Sturgeon eclipsed by barnstorming Black
alex massie & hamish mcDonnell were very fair factual
I’m very happy to see yet more evidence of British nationalist desperation. They are desperate to believe their own britnat propaganda and continue to be awfae confused by support for SNP and independence. Bless.
Scotland and England are two very different countries.
I usually sit downstairs, but, this time I couldn’t and for the first time HAD to head up to the balcony.
There was a constant stream into the balcony during the afternoon and it filled up to more than three quarters full by my reckoning.
That photo taken from the stage showing the virtually full lower section of the balcony doesn’t make it obvious that the upper half behind the white barrier was fairly full too.
By the way, Nicola’s speech was full of progressive policy; seriously good and innovative stuff. We should be proud that at least one party in these islands is planning ahead and that party is in Scotland.
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Mhairi Black, one word – outstanding.
I sat in that hall listening to this young, compassionate, highly intelligent visionary and was reminded of Jimmy Reid. She gets to places deep in the soul. She also laid into Jeremy Corbyn for being such a disappointment and she was spot on.
Sanderson of the Times Is another BritNat Propagandist who knows the Union is over but can’t admit it publicly.
A truly International Socialist Party Conference with Indy 2 cancelled/postponed myth put to bed.
It the parts of the BritNat Media which are not pretending the SNP didn’t have a conference there is much howling in the Yoonstream.
🙂
Fake news and liars are endemic at The Times. Farquharson was at it earlier iin the Conference tweeting click bait lies. But he gave up and started to creep and praise when he saw how good NSturgeon’s speech was. Fickle hacks !
Sanderson clearly too stupid to realise that hacks lies
will soon be found out and shown up on the I/net.
@ Ian Brotherhood, 10:37am
Aye, Ian, most of those are likely the “journos” who couldn’t see the crowd for a’ those folk filling the seats.
Slightly o/t – over the past few days our 2014 referendum has been mentioned, and in relation to the badly managed and bungled fiasco in Spain, every single comment holds the British government up as a beacon of democracy ,didn’t we do well, that’s the way it’s done here.
Fine Noble sentiments for the consumption of idiot viewers who have no idea what actually happened, and what did not happen after , The VOW wasn’t delivered as all here know ,but I bet there is more than a few honestly think they got a great deal and the SNP are just moaners .
This is when the media just like the above story are and have distorted and in some cases presented down right Lies as their version of the truth, this corrupt media are not doing the Unionist side any favours by presenting this view, it will only take a few slips for the fantasy to unravel as it surely will, when it does the once supporting Unionist side will waken up and start to question previous statements and lies, and as many here have found out and will never be fooled again .
@Patrick Roden
good spot Patrick,
the hack gimp`s photo is at 3.05pm,
when Nicola`s speech did not start until 3.30pm,
25 minutes before speech the gimp takes a photo to try and disparage Nicola,SNP and the movement for Scottish Independence,
this is a keeper for anyone that disputes the Times newspaper publishing lies and Fake News.
Ach, ye ken fine Stuart.
As others have said, all this desperate behaviour show just panicked BritNats are becoming.
Let’s everyone who is winning, and who is losing.
Sky reporting via cartoon that people were leaving during NS speech, heading for doors with union jack outside…..
…….priceless
Noticed while at Conference all the usual ‘journalists’, ‘reporters’ milling about, and thought to myself, why do they even bother to turn up when they know and we know they’ll end up spouting nonsense. I can only think the expenses must be great to make them come out in the first place.
Journalists caught lying should be sacked or their employer fined £10000 a day until they are.
If any of us normal folk gets caught lying at work we get sacked.
It’s a topsy turvy world where right is left, bad is good, war is peace and a full hall packed to the gunnels is empty, when it’s an SNP conference.
There are journo’s around the planet being locked up and murdered for trying to report the truth, yet these Britnat establishment, jumped up schoolboys, are paid highly to tell lies to the people. It’s just sickening.
Haven’t watched Nicola Sturgeon’s speech yet. Good to know she didn’t need the strepsils, 🙂
Imagine coughing your way through a speech, and saying absolutely nothing of any substance when not coughing, as the Prime Minister of England did recently. What an embarrassment.
Perhaps it’s time for a Wings Fake News League.
Maybe the top ten incompetent, poorly researched, fact free, lying political articles of the previous 4 weeks, emphasis on Scotland of course.
Wouldn’t be hard to populate!
Sanderson would have been better printing a couple of Sprograph photo’s Oh what a tangled web they weave & the media hacks are the one’s caught up in it .
The sleekit Sanderson photo could have been taken after the lunch break. The main Hall usually has to be vacated during the lunch break. The venue administration rules. (not SNP doing) There is a programme of events. The time things start and are suppose to end. With a time allocation. E.g. If the lunch break is allocated 12.30 to 2pm. The (main) Hall must be vacated between that time. They do a bit of a tidied up. Like the cinema.
People have to leave and do not get back in until 2pm. When proceeding start again. That why there is such a long queues for Nicola. They would have started forming as the Hall was emptying or before. People can’t just come in the morning and get a seat and sit there all day. It gives other folk a chance to find a place. There are big screens of the main hall proceeding all over the place. Interesting talks etc going on on the fringe by other groups with an interest in the things. Whatever Greens or Independence supporters but sometimes others. Renewable, tourism CND or Heathrow representative. Anyone who wants to come along can find a space (rented) and is approved. Busy, busy but everyone is catered for. Too busy for some for the whole Conference. People can go for a day or two (pass) etc.
The crooked photo was probably taken by some useless kid-on journalist or representative. It is just the type of thing they would do. Thinking they make a big fake scoop by misrepretation. Like most of them do. These arch manipulators. Most journos (south) are not the friend of the SNP. Or impartial in any case. They sit there stone faced at every successful Conferences. Writing there false correspondence. When their anti SNP fantasies are not coming to fruition. They make it up. They even look annoyed everything is going so well. Totally outnumbered by the public they despise for having a voice. When they are so would be superior. So up their own back sides. Thinking they have made it. Peddling pish for the international Press. Everyone despises them for their misreprentation of the facts. Wouldn’t even buy their pish in large nos.
The photo was probably taken as the Hall was filling up after the lunch break. As the Hall is filling up again. It takes some time. Or just before the lunch break when some folk leave slightly early.
There were some empty seats at the back of the balcony but for goodness sake it is a five thousand seater !
Artyhetty says:
Very Orwellian ….
“War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength”
… he just got the year wrong.
Guardian were at it too. This from a thoroughly bitter and snidey piece by Severin (who else?)
“Speaking to an emptier conference hall than usual, Sturgeon…”
BTW, I saw people on twitter were rather angry at Mairi Black for slagging Jezza Corbyn. ‘Why doesn’t she attack the tories and not Jezza’ they said furiously. Sigh.
Not only that, the people who follow Labour in England have no idea about how they, Labour, operate their faux, socialist office branch in Scotland. People believe that it is an autonomous political party, unique to Scotland, rather than an arm of the Labour party of England.
People seem very reluctant to see that you can hardly fit a fag paper between Labour and the Tories. Their motto could be, all for one and, all for one!
Anyone can send their views to the Times of their complete misrepresentation of events.
nick robinson bbc in his quieter moments , will know he reputation has been tarnished with his false accusation on tape . This is worth all the money in the world for us who just want a factual level playing field
Dan sanderson just has to look at pics , and his journalist reputation is tarnished
Meanwhile over at Slab Central, the leadership battle hots up with new Slab recruits apparently being fun-oot with the same post code & phone number as old Slabbers.
As they used to say in NI “Vote early & vote often!”
The Times fake their circulation figures by giving the paper away free on Virgin trains and at airports.
I was in the balcony and the back section of the balcony had only a few people in it. This is like about two miles from the platform. It’s a huge venue and it was never envisaged that it be filled completely. At some previous conferences the main hall has been full, resulting in people queuing for over an hour to be sure of getting a seat. The great thing with the Armadillo is that it isn’t going to fill completely so you don’t have to spend precious conference time in a queue.
What Sanderson has done is in effect to photograph the very back of a huge crowd, in the part where it’s petering out, and claim that it’s not a huge crowd. Of course, ignoring the huge crowd out of shot.
Nobody was queuing! Hooray! Jamie Ross photographed the queue for the bar and his tweet was a joke.
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Total piss take Tories & Re newable energy with Wee Ruthie bouncing about like ah Duracell Bunny , whits that sticking oot her erse you’s say A CattleProd tae gei her extra bounce .
Ok tammy’s oan am oota here .
Unfortunately, some people are just too lazy and/or thick and/or naive to learn anything other than the propaganda pap they are spoon fed.
Let’s just hope we do not get the future they deserve.
Typical peddlars of fake news! but reminded me that Earlier this year I was dropping my good lady at a craft fair at the Secc, got into the wrong road and ended up at the conference centre which was hosting the scottish Tory branch conference. Where Teresa was going to speak. An over zealous security guy started mouthing off at me and one of Glasgow’s finest intervened told him to calm doon and away and put up the no entry sign like you were supposed to do an hour ago asked what was up I explained that I had taken the wrong turn and was it alright if my wife walked from there across to the SECC as she was to do a demonstration of a product there.
“No problem sir she will no doubt have a bigger audience over there than anyone in here today! At the moment they are coralling their supporters into one side of a smaller hall to make it look busier for the cameras.” Its not as if its going to be busy its only Theresa that’s speaking not Nicola! The proof of this coralling technique is if you remember their sad little episode you will remember the two ladies bedecked in Union flag suits in almost every shot Well when the crowd is so small people out of the ordinary do tend to stand out. Look at the pictures above again and I cannot see the same person twice!
It must puzzle them.
They pour out world class propaganda 24/7 and still the SNP tops the polls.
They vilify Nicola Sturgeon relentlessly and still she wins every poll on popularity.
They rubbish every public service the SNP funds and still people appreciate the high quality and equality they experience.
We don’t want to return to prescription charges, tuition fees, bridge tolls, long waits in A&E, lack of child care or care for the elderly and disabled.
If only we had more powers we could do more.
If only we had our own media we wouldn’t be bombarded with lies by the British Nationalist Press.
It’s a cert, though, that the notion of dwindling support for the SNP/independence will very quickly become established orthodoxy (if it hasn’t done so already) in the colonial media, casually interspersing conversations on the BBC/STV/Sky.
‘Hang on a minute, there was virtually no one at your conference’, Brewer will chuck in on Sunday..
Saw it from Sanderson’s first articles at the Herald, when he was the junior understudy to the exposed impartial political editor Magnus Gardham now of the Tory Scottish office.
They print what they can get away with and lying sadly is part of that.
Journalsim (coughs) suffers through these ‘typist charlatans’, and whats worse our TV media are so lazy or devoid of decent staff that they just plagiarize from the local press (lies and all). Worse still they appear as TV guests under the banner of ‘impartiality’ (coughs again) which the TV of course also know is a lie.
Ginger dug is right we are onto ‘plums’ till TV media is less biased. We need a proper that is at least 50/50 on impartiality.
But more than that we need an alternative station to challenge BBC (STV is hopeless lets face it – Aiden Fxcking Kerr really ???- they get UKOK hobbled all the time and we can all see it).
I know its not new but Sanderson is on of a long list of hacks not fit to practice.
A Neil’s been off the drink. He must have been taking a rehab rest. Getting some much needed counselling. He is bad enough but Sarah Smith (Labour Mafia – owes the position to Labour patronage) a total switch off bore.
The lady with the bottle of water is giving the correct response to their lies.
Dan Sanderson’s pants are completely on fire!
Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive – eh Dan!
It is Crow Pie this Desperate Dan needs to eat rather than Cow.
But he won’t of course.
There is also a limitation of numbers where there is great demand. Every branch is given an allocation of delegates places. It can vary from 4 to 16 depending on the size or popularity of the venue. So all branches/members get a chance freely to attend for fairness. It is just a calculation. There are also visitor passes for members for other people who want to attend as an individual. Ie if they do not attend branch meeting etc. They still get a chance to attend the Conference. Everyone pays a fee to cover some of the cost of the Conference. Unless they are on a low income or unemployed etc. They do not pay. It takes a great deal of admin to organise.
It could have been there were a few spare? places which could have easily filled in any case. Remember members also have work and other events to interfere with life. Even if the Hall is not totally full. Members are at the fringe engaging with other topics. There is still stuff going on throughout the Venue. Extremely busy.
Had a look at Kenny Farquahrson’s twitter feed, man, there is desperation personified. There’s a scrabbling element to it.
And even his comments on Catalonia sort of become irrelevant when we see the UK out of Europe.
Artyhetty says:
Indeed. I can understand why many folks in England are desperate for a party which is centre left after years of centre right domination. And unfortunately, given the dominance of London media here in Scotland, it is also inevitable some Scots take on board southern ideas.
However, is Corbyn really going shake WM up much?
It’s easy to talk when not in power, but when they get their chance to rule, Establishment inertia kicks in.
Also, how much does Corbyn = Labour? There seem significant divergences from his views and Labour policy eg Trident.
What are his chances of getting into power? An election soon might just do it.
And therein, I believe, lies the biggest threat to Indy right now.
Hark the Herald. archive working again…Jings!
Iain Macwhirter: Aye still sharing a fence post with Henry. 🙂
Anyhoo.
Why the First Minister is happy to play the independence waiting game
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A union held together by professional liars, is probably not going to last very much longer.
He’s got an odd linkedin biog too,
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Courses
Scarborough Evening News
National Certificate Examination
What is that?
So, from Darlington College NCTJ pre-entry qualification 2009 – 2009 to, Journalist of the Year in his Scotland region, 2013 and 14, is very impressive.
At least UKOK hackdom knows exactly why they’re ALL a complete laughing stock up here, especially ancient perv Rupert Murdoch’s goons.
Actually that’s wrong, he’s UKOK Journo of the year in Scotland in Jan 2013 and the UKOK Journo of the Year, March 2013.
And for his sterling work lying about SNP conference yesterday, we all know 2017 UKOK Murdoch ligger of the Year award goes to…:D
Given the fact that Dan Sanderson has a twitter account, you would think he would be aware that people are watching. Like most pseudo-journalists, it must drive him mad to know that there’s no place left for liars to hide.
Aye someone needs to tell Mr Sanderson to go back home, his village are missing their idiot.
You would think that someone from the Times ‘like an editor’ would have spotted how amateurish and easily disproved such a picture would be.
MSM , fuck them all.
MacWhirter’s just another trolling dingdong too.
“However, most SNP members are motivated first of all by independence, not socialism, and they needed reassurance that the dream had not died when Ms Sturgeon shelved the second referendum in June.”
I’m an SNP member that was too late for a ticket and if they go anything close to the red and blue tory creep shows in Scotland, I wouldnt be.
But poor old Macwhirter has a mortgage to pay, like everyone else, he’s workin for the man, if UKOK hackdom is classed as a job, its a PASSION really:D
FibDemery is also way beyond anything even approaching lefty stuff ofcourse. Why vote yellow tory, when you can just pick Colonel Ruth, future Prime Minister of planet toryboy.
Anyone interested in witnessing a screaming , screeching rabble just watch the antics that are the English parliament right now, a f/n Circus with the animals getting top billing.
I was sitting in that area from some time before 3:00. It’s probably important to say that I can see only one lie in Daniel Sanderson’s tweet – which is his phrase “to front rows”. What the stewards did was to ask people sitting in the upper part of the balcony to move down a bit; that was not to the “front rows”, not even to the front rows of the balcony as they were pretty full already. People around me mostly just moved forward by a row or two. Some folk were comfy where they were and a bit grumpy about being asked to move; so, I don’t think the stewards persisted for very long. The back half of the balcony – the part above the aisle in Daniel Sanderson’s carefully selected picture – was the only part of the hall that was sparsely populated at that time, and it filled up a bit as 15:30 approached for the start of Nicola Sturgeon’s speech. But there were still seats available in the back half of the upper balcony.
What Daniel Sanderson has done, of course, is to set out to completely mislead his Times readership about the attendance in the hall while being able to argue that he has not told any outright lies – even for the “front rows” comment, he might say that he just meant nearer the front than the back. The ability to deliver duplicity with minimal technical recourse to telling lies is a journalistic skill much in demand at the Times.
This might call into question the universal (to all parties) habit of massaging the audience locations in the hall. The forensic reporters of our media will always be able to find some empty seats, at some time of day, somewhere to the back / side / near neighbourhood of an SNP event, and then wrap some text around it which will appeal to their readers.
Why doesn’t Dan Sanderson just move to N Korea and be done with it?
Tom Watson has had a nice wee holiday break somewhere nice and sunny? Clubbing it up in Ibiza
May lying again. Johnstone not looking happy.
Labour raised £600Billion in tax and borrowed £120Billion (2009) £720Billion
The Tories (7 years later) are raising £533Billion and borrowing £100Billion. £633Billion. Tanking the economy and giving the weathly tax breaks. Wasting £Billions of public money on wasteful grotesque projects of no values. Nuclear waste etc. Wasting £Billions. Hickory Point, HS2, Trident etc.
Cutting Education/NHS/Welfare spending. Killing people. Quoting out of context. May lying through her teeth. She is off her head. Totally out of touch. The Westminster mob are psycho bastards. Freak Hammond sneering again at the SNP again. Ugly bastard. Lying their pockets on other people’s misery. Syphoning off £Billions of public funds for them and their cronies. They care for no one but their greedy selves.
She is congratulating the alcoholic warmonger who wants to start a war with Russia for selling weapons to despot maniacs to kill innocent people. Illegal warmongers. Breaking International Law Fascist state. They are building five thousand homes over time for a population of 55Million. A drop in the ocean.
Nicola’s speech was at 3pm.
It does appear as if Mr. Sanderson’s narrative conflicts with experienced life.
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GORDON FORREST @ 11:39,
Aye, there you have it. This latest bit of media manipulation is a pathetic attempt to “prove” that the SNP conference is as poorly attended as the Tory ones, where the cameras are always kept down low so you can’t see the vast empty space at the back.
The main speeches were also head-and-shoulders more inspirational than those from the other party conferences. More natural, and no wilting scenery either!
O/T
I’m rubbish at posting links, but anybody savvy might help here.
Oor Kirstene has a wee bit in the courier stating that the SNP MEPs are frustrating the brexit process instead of helping the government to ease it along to everyones benefit. Bit rich coming from a non euref voter….
@call me dave I was at one of the fringe meetings chaired by McWhirter which was called The UK in a Changing Europe.
McWhirter started off the introduction saying, now that Nicola has called off the independence vote…..the whole room reacted in annoyance, so he backtracked and said, now it has been reset…
That’s the sort of rubbish he gets away with in print but not in front of a pro indy audience.
Throughout the conference there was plenty of talk about indyref2 timing.
I think the feeling is that Brexit will collapse.
The prof who’s research we were discussing, said lots of moderates in Cons & Lab were waiting for the right opportunity.
He also said that WM civil servants are so stretched they have no time to even think about Scotland/Wales position.
The SNP know this.
They also know that many many supporters and members will not tolerate being pulled out of the EU w/o a indyref2.
It’s a balancing act at the moment
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@Ken500 Nice try.
Nicola’s speech was at 15.30
CameronB Brodie says:
11 October, 2017 at 12:33 pm
It does appear as if Mr. Sanderson’s narrative conflicts with experienced life.
He’s got 1st in History too. Glasgow uni do not hand them out like toffees.
My Slovene girlfriend also works at Glesga right enough, so you just cant tell these days,
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Why would a Scottish haha MSP, be lecturing a bunch of tory roasters in London?
They can’t understand the appeal of the party.
So they continue to poison the well.
I enjoyed conference ( and I’m in one of those photos) it was busy, and it heartened me the mix of members young and old and the fact that SNP MP’s MSP’s Councillors sat mixed in with the crowd, No elitist idioligy ,in fact I bumped into Ian Blackford in the street as he rushed to return to conference from WM and he stopped and had a chat.
Now I am pretty sure that wouldn’t happen with any other party’s MP’s
Is that what it is that scares them? Inclusivity, they would loose their right of superiority instilled in them from University. ( by the way what Uni, did journalist go to paper by paper maybe explains their mindset.
Keep exposing the hypocrisy Stu.
Question Time like Question time is just staged. A total farce a manipulated clown show. Placed questions. Bay haying It just mean nothing at all. It should be abolished for all the purpose does. Just a bunch of creeps showing how low life they can be. Democratic or free and fair like everything else there not a chance in hell. SNP gets to speak for two minutes. It should be ten.
Anyone can send May their view of proceeding and how fair they appear. Anonymously or wanting a reply. About her performance.
Dimbleby sails the Scottish isles in his state funded yacht from his tax evaded secretive remuneration. Then thinks he is an expert on Scottish affairs. He is not.
Mhairi Black’s speech showed her to be inspirational and highly articulate.
She certainly would make a fantastic leader of the party in the future.
Though no surprise we had the usual Labour putdown comment from that nonentity Daniele Rowley, calling Mhairi’s speech a rant.
It was billed at 3pm. BBC 2 (live) They did start then. The intro took 30mins in? For folk to get settled. Speech started some time in. A technicality.
Artyhetty @ 11:32:
Hmmm, it’s not as if NorthBritLab have ever extended that courtesy the other way. Ever.
Who people in England choose is their business, but up here far better that young people are spared the agonising years of futile hope and let-down that otherwise will be their fate.
So, many thanks, Mairi. A fine speech, telling it as it really is.
I was there and it was totally rammed full.
The sole aim of this and the likes of Carrell’s Guardian schtick is to push the narrative that the SNP are ‘struggling’, are a ‘spent force’, are ‘under pressure’ and all manner of ‘they really aren’t ‘that’ popular’ and to delegitimise their raison detre on the basis that they are somehow equal to and as irrelevant as the Monster Raving Loony Party.
It’s audience and narrative is aimed solely at England…they know their audience well…I mean…they swallowed their Leave schtick and voted accordingly? So of course to maintain the ‘divide’ and ‘divisiveness’ that they create and because their audience is pigshit ignorant, they feed them a diet of manufactured ‘news’ and round and round the cycle goes…another circle completes itself…vicious, symbiotic and vile. Job done.
Unfortunately as others have pointed out…internet, other accurate sources and joe public wi a smart phone are out manoeuvring and exposing their ‘selective’ reporting of ‘events’ for what they are: manufactured pish.
@Ken500, I can assure you it was billed for 15.20.
I’ve got the programme.
Timing was slightly off
“Inclusivity, they would loose their right of superiority instilled in them from University. ( by the way what Uni, did journalist go to paper by paper maybe explains their mindset.
Keep exposing the hypocrisy Stu.”
Glasgow. Its quite tory and yoon.
Look at how high paid top uni jobs are. Principals are all hitting £500 grand a year. That’s not a coincidence and its hardly going to produce many changy types.
This hack probably wont progress very far in UKOK media world. He needs to be Oxbridge, they’re the right sort, for the keeping of tory rule somehow staggering along and the UK ofcourse.
Getting called out with the truth about the Labour Party must be uncomfortable for them. They have to make up any excuse. Mharia Black is absolutely brilliant. Articulates and putting Into words the sentiment of what the majority is feeling and caring. , Such a skill. The SNP do it so well. It is amazing. Most smart talented people. They just know how to pitch it. No wonder they are so popular. An amazing phenomenon. They have done so much for Scotland. It is like a different place. Every time their is a concern or an anxiety. People are in despair. They come up with a feasible, viable solution. People kind of go how did they work that one out. Find an excellent solution. While the unionist politicians try to tear it down all the time. Make malicious mischief just for the sake of it. Like they have nothing better to do.
Can’t imagine what Scotland would be like. The state Scotland would be in without the SNP. Thatcher. There is much to do but they are just getting on with it. Scotland is a better place. Confident and majority better off. Looking to a future they thought they could never have. Or dream about. Or there could never be. It just gets better and better. A better place to be by comparison. Always love the Conference. All the characters and the best folks. The laughs.
@liz
Thanks for that update on the McWhirter.
He was an expert pundit on BBC2 before and after the speech but it was the usual… maybe aye, maybe naw kinda downbeat thing.
PS:
Madrid (with police batons tucked in their matador trews) are puzzled, so asks whether Catalonia has declared independence. 🙂
Think this is attributing motive to being asked to move forward without justification for it other than bias.
In all probability people were asked to fill the hall from front to back. However that’d be so those waiting to be seated behind them could do so as efficiently as possible. At an event where the crowd is near maximum that’s a fairly major safety concern as well as the obvious disruption if people are still coming in when the event is due to kick off.
Doesn’t help that the maximum allowed in would be based on available seats so those choosing to stand at the side will of necessity leave empty seats.
Going about the time it was billed on BBC 2. 3pm. Not the official programme. Didn’t notice the time it actually started. There is always an intro to it. It is obvious better to be in the Hall as soon as possible before it starts. So 3pm is not unreasonable. Sanderson was not taking that in. Just up to find fault as is their missions At one of the most successful Party Conferences of any Parties. Consistently. It is always hotching like no other. These abnoxious journo people who despise the public. Think they are some kind of elite. The elite of nothingness. Misfits. They sit their stone faced taking there notes. Seeing them. Knowing they will be typing a lot of unsubstantiated nonsense. A false representative nothing like what is really going on. A total misrepresentation. That will be the result.
The British lyin press should have egg on its face.
link to indyref2.scot
On the plus side, when it is as easy as this to show that they are lying you know that you can’t believe anything else they say.
The Times = Fake News
Dougie Baby and Jamie R
You wascals Not even sexy loon, BritNat Yoons.
Coupla of flabby, fibbing teasers.
Caught out with your kilts down, again (?).
Naughty boys.
Hugs and kilted smoochies from the JockNat team not, you pair of eijits
Its a game of two halves & Sanderson came on scene at half time Nae Pie n Bovril fur him
We know they just make it up as they go along,we have read this blog long enough to know that.
Also last nights BBC coverage of Catalonia was incredible,it could have been Scotland 2014 all the same scare stories and patronizing twaddle.
heedtracker
British nationalism is a very middle class habit, though it does appear at ease with a sectarian and bigoted outlook that views British culture as exceptional. Marvelous!?
link to routledgesoc.com
It’s not just what they print or say, it’s also what they leave out.
Lunchtime RS just edited out the abuse and braying that interrupted Ian Blackford’s question to the PM. Can’t have the true nature of MPs broadcast where we are now, can we?
Tory MPs and BBC = lying b’stards
ronnie anderson says:
11 October, 2017 at 1:38 pm
Its a game of two halves & Sanderson came on scene at half time Nae Pie n Bovril fur him
—–
“But were you at the conference, caller?”
🙂
Nice one Stuart.
You punch way above your weight in this propaganda war with the full array of multi billion pound British Nationalist media.
Of course you have the big advantage of being able to and desiring to tell the truth.
Stick it to them the Stu pot!
Listeners of a certain 70s/80s vintage may remember another Sanderson (James), who used to flummox foaming callers to his football phone-in by the simple question, “Are you accusing me of mendacity?”.
Since they didn’t know what the word meant, he regained the initiative and made them look foolish.
Unfortunately for Dan The Man, we know very well what the word means, and many more people too, thanks to The Rev.
O/T
Reminder evidence session
Subject: European Union (Withdrawal) Bill: Implications for devolution
2.30pm today
link to parliamentlive.tv
Hitler was a master of propoganda, ably assisted by Dr Goebbels
They stated that effective propoganda was to be aimed at the lowest intellects in society, and be based around two or three topics, with appropriate soundbites to promote memory.
I.e. The SNP are losing support. We are at war with a State propoganda machine here folks ,who have learned straight out of Mein Kampff
I think this was one of the best speeches I have heard in a long time. Especially the promise of a new energy company setup with lower charges. Ruth Davidson won’t like this. Tough.
Sorry, Ronnie A. Took so long with my comment I didn’t see your 1.38!
Ms Black, what an asset to the SNP and surely a future leader.
I find it really sad that a once great newspaper is reduced to a mouthpiece for its right wing billionaire owner. Every democracy need a free courageous press and good journalists to hold parliament to account, to fight injustice and the misuse of power. We are the poorer for its passing.
Not a lot of people know this, but poverty and inequality undermine cognitive ability and executive skills. The brain’s chemistry changes in response to poverty/inequality related situational stresses, resulting in impaired reasoning and decision making. Impairment of this kind is an avoidable biological inequality that can be transmitted across the generations.
link to thehastingscenter.org
I checked on the seating capacity of the Armadillo. The stalls area, which by all accounts was jam-packed with even some people standing, has 1,164 seats. The balcony (circle) has 1,384 seats. (There is also a gallery which wasn’t in use at all but that only has 452 seats.)
The balcony has a front section which is probably three-quarters of its total capacity. That rear of that part can just be seen on the bottom right of Dan’s photo. That was where I was sitting, near the middle. It wasn’t completely full and I had empty seats beside me (I was in the middle of a row), but it was pretty well-filled as can be seen in some of the photos above, particularly the fourth picture from the end. If that area is about three quarters of the balcony seats and it about was three-quarters full, that’s about another 800 people.
We’re up to almost 2,000 already, and there were some people in the rear balcony section as well. Maybe a hundred or so. Plus possibly some standing downstairs. So basically there were at least 2,000 people actually in the hall for Nicola’s speech. Maybe more because some parts of the balcony were packed fuller than the part where I was.
Two thousand people in the hall for the leader’s speech to conference. I wonder how that compares to other party conferences? Even the UK parties with ten times the population hinterland of the SNP.
But Dan takes a photo of the very back of this crowd, the point where it’s thinning out into the back few rows of empty seats about a mile from the stage. He gives no indication of the 1,800 or so people has turned his back on to take the photo, and tweets it with the implication that attendance was poor.
This is a Times journalist. He claims his tweet was true because that was a real picture and people were indeed being encouraged to sit nearer the front. I call it dishonest. I call it fake news.
It’s horrific
Our Christmas table is barren
I don’t like “the Donald”, he’s everything that’s bad , except his attack on the press, I completely agree with his “fake news and lies” accusations, he’d find all that very much alive and kicking over here in Scotland.
Sorry, back on topic, though I may have taken that too far. 🙂
Human Conceptions of Spaces:
Implications for Geographic Information Systems
link to citeseerx.ist.psu.edu
@Albaman Dont you be spreading that Fake Nutella aboot these here parts lol.
@Bob Mack,
The Nazi party was greatly influenced by British propaganda of the first world war,
In UK,MI7 (1915) was the department of military intelligence for propaganda and censorship,
later on in the war Lord Beaverbrook,the newspaper tycoon, was given charge of the Ministry of Information dealing separately with Home,German,and foreign propaganda.
This is from the Nazi`s about propoganda,
“Every change that is made in the subject of a propagandist message must always emphasize the same conclusion.
The leading slogan must of course be illustrated in many ways and from several angles,
but in the end one must always return to the assertion of the same formula.”
SNP BAD,SNP BAD,SNP BAD,SNP BAD,SNP BAD,SNP BAD,SNP BAD,
From PMQ today, “May rules out extending Brexit deadline”
First of all, it has to be said that this represents typical UKOK arrogance. May CANNOT extend the deadline, what she could do is go begging the EU to agree to extend and all 27 would need to agree.
OK, so what she probably meant is she won’t be going begging.
This is good news because it keeps everything on schedule. All negotiations – first phase threesome, a trade deal, and requesting transition arrangement all need to be done by Oct 2018 so it can all be ‘passed round the houses’ to allow all 27 to agree on the deal.
So we will all be crystal clear how the UK is leaving the EU by then. Plenty of time to get IndyRef2 arranged.
Declaration of Indy before 2018 is over, perhaps. 🙂
@ David 1.52 conference comes but once a year im doing something every day/week & my friends couldn’t get me a visitors pass .
@ Tinto Cheil The streets ur ful of the mendisity People also womendisity. Fek the Tories
”We’re not sure why Daniel Sanderson and the Times would want you to believe something else.”
It’s well seeing that they’re all running scared, if that’s all they can come up with. Thousands were there and thousands of others who would have liked to have been there couldn’t due to the fact that they were working, attending College, University or school. We’ll start worrying when attendance numbers drop to being on a par with the Unionists parties. And at the end of the day it’s the content of the speech that counts. What have they got to say about that? Nought? Compare Nicola’s to Treeza’s. No comparison.
…………………………………..
And on cue Wee Ginger Dug with:
‘Biased Unionist media is the major obstacle to Scottish independence.’
link to thenational.scot
A shocking announcement from orange Hitler.
link to youtube.com
Remember where you were the day he said this. One for the grandchildren.
The Josef Goebbels School of Propaganda must be making a mint off all those Britnat journalists.
O/T
As Corbyn ducked discussing Brexit, surprise, surprise, he focused on attacking T May today over welfare reforms such as their disastrous roll out of Universal Credit (landing some good blows as per TV reports) which is SERIOUSLY impacting on millions of already extremely poor and vulnerable people.
Jeanne Freeeman covered this, Universal Credit, in her speech yesterday (11:00am). Worth listening to.
link to pscp.tv
Albaman@3.06pm.
Trump does not attack ALL media, just the media who challenge him on his garbage.
I mean, come on…he calls a press conference to cry “fake news” at them ffs..!!
I mean, come on…he calls a press conference to cry “fake news” at them ffs..!!
Orange Hitler is going to nuke North Korea, the south will just have to take its chances in the aftermath. Fascist like Orange Hitler can take mass human death rates in their stride. Look at Bush and Cheney, Blair, the relentlessly repellent Gordon Brown and so on.
People just like this are in incredible danger today. Trident based in Scotland is an endless horror and accomplice.
link to youtube.com
Ken500 said at 12:32 pm:
“Nicola’s speech was at 3pm.”
Sorry Ken500 the Conference Agenda stated 3:20pm,and the First Minister began her speech at 3:25pm.
O/T
Oh, and I should add that the follow up speech from Jeanne Freeman on Universal credit is worth listening to, too, which highlights the way that terminally ill people are being treated. Absolutely disgusting and anyone who votes for the Tories should think again if for no other reason than this could become their lot one day, in the not too distant future.
”It’s a Westminster Tory policy in which the Scottish Tories are complicit.”
Following on from Jeanne Freeman’s speech at 11:00am.
link to pscp.tv
Here is Jihn Nicholson filleting Jo Coburn yesterday. Couldn’t get it to archive.
(From 16 mins in..)
link to bbc.co.uk
Same old, same old. Frustrating as hell. I do note however that the Guardian, Independent and even the Scotsman have on occasion been reporting in a questioning way. On Brexit and on the accuracy of media reporting.
link to parliamentlive.tv
Holyrood’s loss LoL .
Moving video on Facebook right now. Corbyn’s the veep of CND. How much longer do we tolerate these scumbags in Westminster?
link to facebook.com
By the way, I can confirm that Liz is right about the timing of the speech. It was listed in the conference proceedings for 3.20 and that’s the time people would be aiming for if they weren’t bothered about earlier speeches. And fortunately there were enough seats for everyone if you were prepared to go up to the balcony so people knew they could just walk in at the last minute if they were tied up somewhere else beforehand.
As so often happens there was a bit of slippage and Nicola didn’t start speaking until 3.30.
The advertised start time of BBC TV coverage is irrelevant.
Space and time are interactively bound-up in the definition of meaning and semiotic signification in the languages of place. Totally sociologically architectonic man.
link to lepo.it.da.ut.ee
I may have taken that too far again. 🙂
Looks like they got their days mixed up
Andy Anderson @ 15:54,
Aye, Andy, because the English Establishment are beginning to fight back on Brexit, finally reacting to the understanding that if things are allowed to continue to regress (can’t call it “progress”) as they are, we’re all in for the granddaddy of an economic crash-ooterie in a year or so.
All those companies already making plans to decamp at least a portion of their business into a safe haven somewhere else in the EU, plus cutbacks here. Those duds in Lancashire who voted leave and now their job at BAE, or the economic spin-off from such, is going doon the cludgie. And this is still just the start.
Yet most of the Brit media, and especially the BBC, still refuse to join the dots.
OK, while a few of the more-liberal press are beginning to call out this Brexitomania, here (as you seem to well understand) everything is supposedly wondrously rosy, all in it together, with only the dastardly SNP to spoil the jolly old show.
Ch4’s coverage by Michael Crick showed close up’s of people and Bill boards , anything to avoid showing the numbers attending.
Sent in to bat on LBC, Theresa May is out for a duck. Getting slaughtered in english press. Can’t be long now. The Times SNP coverage is more deflection than anything else, tho’ Kenny Farquarson continues the smear campaign against Nicola.
Westminster’s propaganda war continues. The EU has nothing to say on the subject. Hedging their bets maybe in the hope that Brexit can be reversed. May appears not to know what to think, maybe still to consult Murdoch. It’ll be all hugs and kisses if Brexit is reversed. Remember GE17 with Theresa’s late change of mind?
@galamcennalath says:
11 October, 2017 at 12:08 pm
Indeed. I can understand why many folks in England are desperate for a party which is centre left after years of centre right domination.
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Centre right? Centre f***ing right!? If only. We’ve had decades of far right government including New Labour whose sop to their surviving lefties of investment in schools/hospitals was totally undermined by it being done via PFI schemes which despite some short term improvement have done serious long term damage to the institutions they were supposed to improve.
Re heedtracker’s comment on how many of our political leaders seem to regard the loss of countless lives of ordinary people as acceptable – or as they describe it “collateral damage” – one of the 20th century’s mass muorderer of his own people, Josef Stalin, stated “one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic!”
On the subject of Sanderson’s deliberately misleading lie about the numbers gathering for Nicola’s speech, he seems to have copied the example of Trump’s equally laughable estimate of the non-existent crowds attending his inauguration.
proudscot says:
Orange Hitler’s mob have altered the language of mass murder though, its all going to be such a great tragedy, when the first mushroom cloud rises over North Korea.
It will ofcourse cause mass loss of life, initially and aas NK strikes back at its neighbours. It will destabilise the whole of that region.
But the UK and the US do love a good war, rallies the plebs to the fleg, deflects attention from domestic issues, punches through and out of tricky situations like Brexit and its jolly good for business too. Not for nothing is teamGB one of the worlds biggest arms manufacturers, with a war monger Westminster.
stu mac says:
You are correct. There has been no government near the centre since Callahan.
I must confess I have no idea why it typed the ‘centre’ before the right. Just the way I was typing the two options, maybe. 🙁
There were some empty seats at the back of the balcony but for goodness sake it is a five thousand seater !
Three thousand for the entire auditorium, but 2,500 for the part that was in use. (The gallery was closed off.)
It’s a perfectly valid point, but don’t exaggerate it. As I said, probably north of 2,000 people in a venue with a 2,500 capacity. Dan found the few empty rows at the back.
OT
Interesting news in The National, [French] “Bank BNP Paribas to cut ties with companies working with shale gas and tar sands”
link to thenational.scot
It’s also including oil and gas companies involved in the “delicate” Arctic. Looks like the SNP may have got it right with the fracking ban, externally to the UK as well.
Once again the SNP are trying to help the ordinary people by intending to set up nonprofit energy company they are the only party who would do this along with all the other things they have delivered to the people not one of the other parties would have delivered these things and that’s a fact I mean energy food and water are nessesities of life no one should make a profit from them the SNP are trying to lift people out of poverty and as Ghandi said the worst form of violence is poverty
@ Ronnie and @Tinto –
Just to be clear, I was having a joke and mis-quoting Radio Clyde’s football pundit Jimmy Sanderson. Another line of his was “Don’t flash your credentials at me, caller”…
link to youtube.com
I’ll get mah hat. And mah macaroon bar and hot bovril.
O/T but this HMRC pullout of Scotland is really going to screw East Kilbride. Will that award winning Times ligger even be aware of it all? no.
link to dailyrecord.co.uk
If it was a gig and people find they can’t go, they can give or sell their tickets to others. For a multi-day conference I guess they can’t so if something happens like having to be in the HoC for a debate or speech, I guess they won’t make it, their passes are named perhaps :?} sp their seats will be vacant, and there’s always going to be vacant seats.
In that picture, the vacant block is on the far side, and I’ve a feeling that at Sturgeon’s roadshow in 2014 I went to with son (we were up on the balcony near central, there was a similar vacant blcck at the same side – probably the worst view part.
I remember stewards quite logically directing people into blocks at a time anyway, which is quite logical also to make it easier to move on and fill up the next block with a few stewards there, rather than have them scattered around randomly.
Conclusion: Sanderson ain’t no colonel.
Henry McLeish says Scottish Football is at the lowerst ebb ever. Why’s that we very nearly qualified this time. The team’s UN-beaten in 7 games . . . The best run in 20 years.
The BBC are headlining McLeish’s statement . . .,. It’s part of their campaign to run Strachan out of his job . . .
Success at football is very good for Scotland’s moral . . . . The last thing the BBC wants!
heedtracker
Sorry to get all PC again but cultural sensitivity requires a degree of historical and contextual sensitivity. Trump might be orange but he is not (yet) guilty of genocide. 😉
link to tandfonline.com
I’m in there somewhere in the dark part of the bottom photograph near the white pillar. I only got that seat because a friend kept me a place.
I went to a lunchtime fringe event (from 12.30 till 1.30) at a hotel a 10 minute walk away from the auditorium. Even though I scooted out sharpish and walked briskly to the Armadillo, when I got there, the place was already packed. That was about 1:40pm.
Nobody in their senses books a venue that only just accommodates everyone expected to turn up. In the past some SNP conferences have been massively over-subscribed with queues and overflow halls, mainly because they turned out to attract far more people than originally envisaged. Fortunately they’ve learned from that and are now booking venues big enough so that queuing is voluntary, essentially jockeying for front seats, rather than essential to get in at all.
A venue with a capacity of 2,500 was booked. More than 2,000 actually turned up for the leader’s speech. Dan found the few rows of empty seats up the back to photograph. Well done him.
Arrrrgh! I’ve just spent most of today working on a detailed comment explaining, in simple terms, how Westminster is brainwashing the people of the United Kingdom to believe that the English are subsidising the Scots. A great deal more serious an issue than them attempting to play down the SNP SG great successes of running Scotland and Nicola’s great speech.
This comment involved not only much quoting of ONS and Treasury figures but the definitions of Westminster used terms designed to mislead. Thus, in a simple way to demonstrate the depth of dishonesty of Westminster and unionist propaganda.
Both attempts just vanished suddenly into the ether. I’m giving up now for today at least. Next time I will do the work off-line and save it regularly to disk.
CameronB Brodie says:
11 October, 2017 at 5:14 pm
heedtracker
I dont think there’s ever been a more deadly and blatant sociopath in the Whitehouse before, at least not in our lifetime. Bush and Blair probably would not have invaded Iraq if 9/11 had never happened.
Trump’s even sabotaged his own governments incredibly sensitive negotiation with NK, by merely tweeting little Rocket Man, right in the middle of it. That’s why his own guy Rex Tillerson, chief negotiating diplomat called Orange Hitler a fucking moron.
He’s not though. This is the kind of behaviour Hitler displayed in the 30’s. Trump wants his war and he wants war with an enemy he knows the US can crush. Then he will win the next US general election. Mass loss of life is a great tragedy, we will be brainwashed with, by our ever more ghastly BBC gimp network especially.
Or its all going to be fine. That’s Trump world for you:D
Talking of war crimes and their perps, this one was at Glasgow, lecturing us all on depression.
Labour creeps don’t do irony.
link to gla.ac.uk
He should be behind bars, along side, Bomber Bliar, Crash Gordo, the Flipper and every last one of the UKOK liars that voted for war on Iraq.
Yesindyref2 different venue the roadshow after Nicola became leader was at the Hydro, the Conference was at the Armadillo, Ric had a conference at the Armadillo the same day as Nicola was at the Hydro. I was at Ric in the morning and Nicola in the afternoon.
@Lenny Hartley
Ah yes, of course, thanks. I was trying to figure it out right enough!
@Robert Peffers
Try going back, back, back, back, if you haven’t exited the page, your posting might still be in the box.
Daniel Sanderson of The Times:
Prick just about covers it. Even the BBC2 live broadcast showed the Armadillo packed to the rafters.
@Robert Peffers
back, back, back still works even if you posted since, I’ve just done that and can get all 3 of my previous postings to this thread if I really wanted to!
@Morag
You should never have spare seats,
`overbooking` is a science used by hotels,airlines,venues,etc
even individuals organising a party should invite 120 for a 100 seater event,
it`s a guarantee 20> % don`t turn up for various reasons.
Surely the timestamp on Desperate Dan’s picture is when he posted it, not when it was taken. Easy enough to take a photo during the lunch break and hang on to it for a couple of hours before posting.
But a reputable journalist wouldn’t do that would they? I suppose the clue is in the definition of reputable.
OT
Yup. Puigdemont got it exactly correct with the declaration of Indy followed by the suspension, it’s put Rajoy in a spot:
link to archive.is
Dear me, Rajoy really is getting this wrong.
@Scot Finlayson
Because of fire regulations I don’t think overbooking would be allowed, or through the booking agency (eventbrite?), and I doubt it would go down well with members if they were turned away!. Hotels and airlines who overbook don’t give a stuff. But if a member cane down from Inverness, booked accomodation and couldn’t get in there’d be hell to pay. As we’ve seen on recent threads, SNP members don’t take prisoners …
yesindyref2 says:
Yes, they are playing a difficult situation well.
“90 per cent of voters back independence with a turnout of 43 per cent”
About a quarter of the votes were destroyed. So the turn out was actually.about 57%.
Seems perfectly reasonable to assume the 90% applies to that total too, why wouldn’t it?
90% of 57% is 51.3%.
Imagine! 51ish % of the ELECTORATE wanted Indy.
Like most places, ~25% never vote. So ‘silent majority’ against, total bollocks.
Perfectly obvious why Rajoy went to such lengths to sabotage it. Also, why he wants to avoid a fair and open referendum at all costs.
You should never have spare seats,
`overbooking` is a science used by hotels,airlines,venues,etc
even individuals organising a party should invite 120 for a 100 seater event,
it`s a guarantee 20> % don`t turn up for various reasons.
That’s a ridiculous comparison. A party conference isn’t an event where people pay for seats and the organisers try to sell as many as possible.
A party conference needs a venue big enough to accommodate the numbers of delegates and observers likely to turn up. In the past the SNP has been caught on the hop by far more people wanting to come than they bargained for. This time they got it just about spot on. Enough room for everyone to get in, without rattling around looking silly.
Or tell me, where do you find a venue with exactly 2,143 seats, assuming that was the exact number of delegates and observers who purchased conference passes?
Surely the timestamp on Desperate Dan’s picture is when he posted it, not when it was taken. Easy enough to take a photo during the lunch break and hang on to it for a couple of hours before posting.
But a reputable journalist wouldn’t do that would they? I suppose the clue is in the definition of reputable.
The photo is what he says it is. The rear balcony area about half an hour before Nicola was due on.
By that time the stalls area (1200 seats) was already packed full and the front balcony was also pretty well-filled. Stewards were apparently encouraging people to fill the front balcony first, although some people did sit in the rear section.
Essentially Dan found the few empty rows right at the back of a huge venue which was extremely well-filled, and photographed them.
It must be true though, Severin C of stinky old Graun backs him up. Scotland, a country in waiting where UKOK hacks troll the populace:D
Severin Carrell Retweeted
Dan Sanderson?Verified account @DSandersonTimes Oct 10
Stewards at #snp17 demanding delegates move to front rows to make hall appear more full for Nicola Sturgeon speech.
Adolf l’orange.
We died for his sins. The humanity!
The photo is what he says it is. The rear balcony area about half an hour before Nicola was due on.
By that time the stalls area (1200 seats) was already packed full and the front balcony was also pretty well-filled. Stewards were apparently encouraging people to fill the front balcony first, although some people did sit in the rear section.
Essentially Dan found the few empty rows right at the back of a huge venue which was extremely well-filled, and photographed them.
So it’s not fake news then. Just plain old fashioned lies.
@ David 5.03 Dinnae fash yersel am no offended
OT – Coast: The Great Guide.
Not paid too much attention, but it seems Neil Oliver is actually doing a good job on the Forth, Rail, road bridge and then the Forth Crossing. Must have been when he was auditioning for the NTS job!
Either that or he’s joined the SNP and is becoming YES 🙂
@Severin Carell
It’s not possible to be a moderate patriot to a unitary sate (e.g. the UK). Britain is not ‘One Nation’!.
link to ndpr.nd.edu
So all the News programs are headlining on the casting couch, in Channel Fours case nearly a 1/3 of the program, got to be asked why? It’s not exactly news here is it, that somebody that hardly anybody in the UK has heard of before who has been parodied extensively in his own country for being a casting couch menace is taking up so much space in our news programs. You would think there was an agenda to keep the omnifuck that is Brexit off the news or so far into the program that most folk have switched channels or switched off.
Or Neil Oliver has just found out exactly what Scots folk think of him.
@yesindiref2
Thanks for the archive of that Herald sh*t.
“there were also reports of irregularities in the voting procedure.”
That will be the falangist thuggery encouraging voters not to>>>.
Oh well.
Here on the the Algarve, the news is all about Catalonia. Last night, a Spanish adviser “reminded” them of the last Catalan leader to declare independence in 1934. After which, he had to flee to France before being deported back to Franco’s firing squad.
CameronB Brodie says:
11 October, 2017 at 7:24 pm
@Severin Carell
His twitter timeline is really nasty though. Its probably just part of being a UKOK hack, if you’re a sneaky shit, you’re in. He’s from Sunderland, doing his best for the UK, up here.
heedtracker
The “Semiotic Kid’s” a poser, simples. 😉
@David 5.03: bien entendu, mon vieux.
My question is, “Where have all the macaroon bars gone (and the spearmint, btw)?”
I think we should be told…
@Tinto Chiel
Don’t know about spearmint, but macaroon bars are doing fine:
link to iscot.scot
@Morag
Your right, there is not much point in twisting things to suit our agenda. I’ve no doubt that they were empty seats in the balcony. So many tickets are supplied in advance and only so many can make it on the day. Empty seats in a hall that size are no surprise.
That’s no big deal, however the impression that Dan Sanderson was trying to give is something else entirely. Entirely false.
Hmm, I see QT’s heading to Killie early next month. Don’t think I’ll be applying to join them, or watching. They may well use the subtitles for that one. Should be a fine audience mix. Orange County.
Any guesses for the panel?
Strange coincidence: my copy just arrived today, Yesindyref2.
Kendo can do, I think 😉
Would this be the very same ‘I thought we had permission’ Daniel Sanderson?
https://www.journalism.co.uk/news/mccann-diary-reporter–i-thought-we-had-permission-/s2/a547230/
@Shinty
Journalists are disgusting creatures but always have been! Always after “the story” and intruding on others grief. If they were honest much of what they do might be excused but they’re not.
If they can’t get want they want then they’ll make it up. Despicable.
“We’re not sure why Daniel Sanderson and the Times would want you to believe something else.”
They only want the unionist majority in Scotland to believe something else.
And it serves the purpose very well.
That is all that matters to them.
I’m sure the Hacks are simply acting under orders which come from the Centre.
I used to enjoy a read through the papers particularly at the weekend. I have said before the Times was one of my favourite reads.
How sad the papers are now propaganda outlets for the English Nationalist government.
I am certain that one day a book will be published possibility following independence but preferably before, identifying the Centre and its workings.
A bit like The Panama Papers, look forward to that.
@Shinty
Different Sanderson, older and half bald!
Rock
Are you sure yoons are in the majority? A good chunk of those who voted No in 2014, simply weren’t sure at the time. Time and events dear chap, tend to conspire against the ideological. Didn’t a recent poll suggested about 19% surveyed were staunchly loyal, and would never vote for Scottish independence?
Blair Paterson,
“Once again the SNP are trying to help the ordinary people by intending to set up nonprofit energy company”
They mean well but the EU is dead against state owned companies, profit making or not.
It can only happen once the UK is out of the EU.
I don’t think an independent Scotland in the EU would be allowed to have a state owned energy company.
I’m pretty sure I suggested during indyref14, that roughly 20% of society is gullible and 20% intransigent. Reason and progress comes from the middle 60%.
CameronB Brodie,
“Rock
Are you sure yoons are in the majority?”
Have you seen any recent polls with a Yes majority?
As long as there is no Yes majority, there is a unionist majority.
And if there isn’t, there is always the “silent (unionist) majority” they will get from thin air.
Was delighted to hear the SNP intend setting up a national non-profit energy company.
Scotland, like Ireland, is a cold Northern country and heating, like food and water is a necessity of life.
And like food and water, heating’s needed all year round!
For example, a relative in Belfast had the heating on or the sitting-room fire lit in the evenings in late July!!!
I agree no profit should be made in supplying necessities for life to people
Denmarks state owned energy company.
link to en.wikipedia.org
“I don’t think an independent Scotland in the EU would be allowed to have a state owned energy company.”
Cobblers. Scottish water is “state owned”, and Nottingham Energy is council owned, not for profit. Scotrail and Calmac are state owned, or at least the ferries are.
Garbage in, garbage out, time for you to get a better diet!
Just when you thought a quiet night off might be possible – time to switch off.
Uncle Rupert’s goon squad are going to have their work cut out keeping planet toryboy er, afloat.
Jump in anywhere,
link to uk.reuters.com
“Without unanimous approval of Britain’s new membership terms at the 164-member WTO, any country could launch a lengthy trade dispute if they feel their trading interests have been damaged.
But a source familiar with trade negotiations in New Zealand saw very tough discussions ahead.”
“All that the EU and the UK have done now is open themselves up to a world of pain. But really this is going to be very serious for them,” said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.”
All heil our imperial master baiters of Eton.
There is too much consideration given to what journalists ‘think’. It can be OK to be aware of what they headline but beyond that they deserve little consideration.
We know that they don’t want the SNP or Ind to succeed, in fact complete collapse is their ‘want’, and they serve and accept right wing masters: for that they are to be despised.
The 4th Estate failed in the Ind Ref and in Brexit, there is no reason for us to be circumspect about their worthlessness.
Rock
“As long as there is no Yes majority, there is a unionist majority.”
There may not be a Yes majority, perhaps there is? Your logic is based on assumption, so isn’t justified.
UKOK tory stuff, what your never hear mentioned on any BBC Scotland gimp network,
link to independent.co.uk
Brian Powell says:
11 October, 2017 at 9:54 pm
There is too much consideration given to what journalists ‘think’. It can be OK to be aware of what they headline but beyond that they deserve little consideration.
I dont agree.
They keep vital facts hidden from us. They lie outright. They frame debates. They hand yoon culture all kinds of fake or inflated Scotland is shite stuff, like how our NHS and schools are truly terrible, under SNP Scots only. Above all else, they terrify people in to voting NO, like in 2014, when they went after undecideds with terror in major way.
Severin Carrell for example, is the titled the Graun’s Scotland editor, yet he produces almost nothing at all about his Scotland region, except SNP bad, and Scotland’s a shithole, once or twice a week. What a doss it must be.
CameronB Brodie,
“Rock
“As long as there is no Yes majority, there is a unionist majority.”
There may not be a Yes majority, perhaps there is? Your logic is based on assumption, so isn’t justified.”
The 2014 independence referendum resulted in a unionist majority.
The last Westminster election, which the unionist parties used independence as the main campaigning point, resulted in a unionist majority (vote share).
Nicola was due to make an important announcement on independence after the Easter break before she was outsmarted by Saint Theresa calling a “snap” election.
Folowing the election where SNP support fell from 50% to 37%, with a loss of half a million voters and 23 seats, Nicola was forced to dither about the independence referendum.
Admit it or not, like it or not, there is a unionist majority in Scotland.
“I don’t think an independent Scotland in the EU would be allowed to have a state owned energy company.”
Really? Is this a carefully researched view or just (another) attempt at peddling the ‘but Scotland can’t’ fear-mongering? I ask because when one actually does some research (30 minutes worth only by the way!) the evidence suggests otherwise.
Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are all members of the EU: all are among the smaller states of the EU and all joined in 2004. The source below provides a review of State Owned Enterprises in each of these three countries.
Source: Baltic Institute of Corporate Governance (2016) Governance of State-owned Enterprises in the Baltic States. (link to ifc.org and link to bicg.eu )
Amongst the numerous SOEs operating in a range of sectors in these EU member states, they include Eesti Energia, Latvenergo and Lietuvos Energija i.e. a state-owned energy company exists in each one of these three, present EU member countries. (There are also SOEs in the banking, railway and ports sectors amongst others.)
Rock @ 21:23 pm,
Errm, like EDF, the French-state-owned utility, you mean? (The clue is in its full name, “Electricité de France”.) It may operate nuclear reactors and sell electricity elsewhere, but still a monolith in its home country, I believe.
Still, never like a solid fact get in the way of another good ol’ EU fable, eh…?
Alex Clark (aka Thepnr) and yesindyref2,
Look up the EU’s policy on state owned companies.
Privatisation is a key demand for aspiring members.
Admit it or not, like it or not, Scotland will be an aspiring member for the EU.
There seems near zero chance of Scotland being independent before Brexit has been completed.
The EU only deals with independent states making their own decisions.
It will not treat Scotland any way different than it treated Catalonia.
Actually, as soon as it was announced, I was wondering when the first BritNat stooge would pop up to claim that the EU wouldn’t allow a state-owned energy utility (as if the issue wouldn’t have been very carefully checked in advance of the announcement).
Well, now we know.
Rock
You’re at it again with your broad brush. Not all who voted No are Yoons. Can you admit that?
Geeo @3:41pm,
So, do you think the written press in Scotland, are all as white as the driven snow, if so,name them please.
Ben Madigan @ 9.34
It was great news indeed Ben!
And I am pretty sure that oor Nicola, lawyer that she is will not have announced this unless and until she was absolutely sure it was doable.
Not only within the framework of the Union but also within the parameters of the intended EU Treaty’s that Scotland will write.
It matters not that some will cry but the EU currently doesn’t allow this thing….. I know not and care less!
Our current Treaty agreement with the EU, the one we voted to keep has been destroyed, it’s gone.
So what the EU will or won’t allow is a moot point at the moment.
Mibbi even time to put publicly owned things in place,so they exist when we write our own Treaty?
Kinda like the NHS!
The EU have tolerated that and not insisted it be sold off…..naw that’s the Tories.
All I do know is that we will be EU members with a publicly owned energy company and Health Service!
This is because I don’t believe for one wee minute that Nicola Sturgeon would give that kind of hope to those in fuel poverty if she doesn’t mean it?
Mare tae the point I don’t think that Stuart Cambell would stay silent if she were to try …. don’t ye think?
Robert J. Sutherland,
“as if the issue wouldn’t have been very carefully checked in advance of the announcement”
As had been the minimum alcohol price policy?
Did it not end up in court?
Do you think the private energy companies are going to let the Scottish government set up a non profit making energy company without court action and delays?
Talking of state owned non profit making utilities, I am 100% in favour of them, including the re-nationalisation of the railways.
I used the words “They mean well” and “I don’t think” and I meant exactly that.
If and when the SNP government succeeds in having a state owned non profit making energy company, I will be happy to have been proven wrong.
CameronB Brodie,
“Rock
You’re at it again with your broad brush. Not all who voted No are Yoons. Can you admit that?”
No, I can’t.
There was a clear Yes No referendum.
In my view, all those who voted No were unionists.
Some may, hopefully, have changed there minds, but all the evidence shows that there is still a unionist majority in Scotland.
Rock
You appear to be stuck in the past and only the Sith deal in absolutes. Time and events dear chap. Time and events.
Now, got a better argument?
State owned does not mean state subsidised. Energy sold at or near cost allowing for a small overhead is not subsidy.
EU have a beef about state subsidies, they also have a beef about cartels. If the SG can break the current cartel without direct or indirect subsidy then all is good.
Power companies will whine, it’s what they do. They can f right off!
Some may, hopefully, have changed there minds, but all the evidence shows that there is still a unionist majority in Scotland.
Thank you for dropping any pretence you’re a YESer Rock. So if you’re right, why did our imperial master baiters suddenly fart their The Vow fraud into Scots ref1?
Most odd that Rock, if you’re right dude.
Maybe you are, its just than when the UKOK shysters at the Daily Record suddenly had that giant The Vow front page, last minute.com, why did they pick the Daily Record, it must have been because there is an actual YES Scotland majority and the britnats panicked?
No, Rock?
It was an interesting choice that, Daily Record, for the front banner page The Vow headline. Apart from the fact that the DR editor is a really vocal aggressive britnat tory, they must have been targeting undecideds directly, readers of the DR, a small but important demographic Rock?
Is it still called triangulation Rock, I only ask because your learned n shit:D
Did the Rev ever find out how many members the North British Labour Party has?
link to thenational.scot
frogesque @ 10.55
I think you hit the nail on the head there.
The NHS as I said in my previous post was not a problem for the EU…. therefore the question is, why should a not for profit “company” like the NHS… NOT.. be a problem?
As you say it’s probably the subsidy thing that’s the issue.
Raul Romeva, the Catalan Foreign Minister, has written to the National thanking them and their readers for their support. Great that in light of what’s going on right now he found the time to do so.
Meanwhile the Scots continue to attempt to resolve this situation, whilst many bury their heads in the sand or worse still try to exacerbate the situation. Alyn Smith has suggested that the Scots act as mediators and Alex has been speaking out in Strasbourg.
Extracts taken from an article in the National:
‘Alex Salmond speaking at the Political Affairs and Democracy Committee of the Council of Europe in Strasbourg has made a dramatic intervention in the current controversy over the Spanish Governments treatment of Catalonians during the independence referendum by calling for an inquiry into a “flagrant breach of human rights.” He says that the Spanish Government has breached Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights which states that “everyone has the right to freedom of expression ” and the “freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers.”……………
He calls for dialogue and a constructive approach to discussions between Madrid and Barcelona. He also welcomes the Council’s Commissioner, Nils Muiznieks, request for an investigation into police violence, but states that “it should be the job of this Council to investigate breaches of our Convention and take the appropriate action…..
He says that “breach of the A10 of the EC on Human Rights on freedom of expression cannot be allowed to stand. The Spanish Government should be held to account by this Council for the state violence of their police last Sunday perpetrated against a peaceful population.”
By raising the matter directly with the Council of Europe – the group of 47 Nations dedicated to upholding human rights across Europe – Salmond has significantly raised the stakes above the calls already made to the EU for action against Spain.’
…………………
Latest news. Arlene Foster is saying No deal, no way, to T May’s “No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.”
Whit’s big T goin to do noo?
Rock @ 22:41,
Och, silly me, I should have realised by now that you know so much more than anyone else, including Nicola and the whole SG team. (A mere bunch of ignorant amateurs, them.)
In fact you’re so good you should start your own political party right away, just to keep everyone in Holyrood and the SG on their toes. They need you. You could call it “Pessimist Heroes Always Right Tendency”, for example.
People (all one of them) will just flock to vote for you, I’m sure.
@Rock. Fuck off min, every day I come on here and you are on girning and spreading discord. Seriously getting on my tits. You are a closet Yoon, now just fuck off.
Rock at 10.23pm
I do love the way you know everything. The EU has made no definitive or official statement on Catalonia’s right to seek independence.
Half moon.
Inra City of Glasgow.
Ahm yer Uncle Travelling Matt laters…
Jammin’..
X.
Petra @ 11.11
While I do feel a wee bit sorry for his constituents… just a wee bit,in a, don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone kind of way….
But!!
oh my,I think they did us a favour…..
How much is Alec Salmond putting the defence of the People’s right to self determination front and center of the international response to the state violence by Spain.
Puts a whole new spin on the “Scottish Right”.. LOL
But seriously….if anyone can find a way between Spain & Catilonia, hopefully it’s him.
The guy who was willing not to damage England by offering a currency Union for (let’s not forget) a wee while.
Not a thing I would have done….and thankfully not a thing that Scotland has to entertain now…yay..
But hopefully he can/we can help to get the declaration in place with no more bloodshed.
There is only one solution, and that’s for the PP and Socialists in Spain to lay down the law, insist that Catalonia holds a legal referendum which they’ll honour by changing the Constitution if neccessary. Spain wins.
😎
Petra @ 23:11,
That’s a very interesting initiative by Alex Salmond there. After the utterly reprehensible actions of its agents last Sunday, seen all around the world, it was high time that the Madrid government was taken to task under the rule of law (to =ahem= coin a phrase).
Earlier this evening on Euronews, a Belgian MEP was saying that the EC should step in to mediate, while a Spanish socialist was counter-claiming it was no-one’s business except Spain’s.
Well, it becomes international business when a government violates the treaties to which their country is a signatory. Madrid can’t cherry pick (to coin another phrase =grin=) which “rules of law” they prefer to obey.
yesindyref2 @ 23:38,
It’s so obvious a way forward that it should be a no-brainer.
One worry of course, like we saw with the notorious “Vow”, is that promises will be made to pull Catalonia back from the brink, then casually discarded once they think the current impetus has dissipated.
So some kind of guarantee would be needed to ensure a fair and free referendum was held within a relatively short time and on clear terms, and the result binding on both sides.
Liz g @ 11.32
Alex Salmond is the man to do it. Don’t forget he got Ian Paisley and Martin McGuiness together with a Lambeg drum.
VISCA V!
WE. OWN. MIDNIGHT.
Never forget that FACT!
PLAY it again Sam.
Well that’s funny because there are a plenty of Stote owned companies in all EU companies. Especially Germany. Not for profit companies who destribuute their profits to the public purse. Green energy companies. Not for profit Housing Association with cheaper rents for tenants.in fact in Germany and other EU counties they do not buy they rent. It is cheaper and keeps housing costs down. They hsve security of tenure.
Boards have to have 20%? of workers representative, All workers eat in the same good canteen and workers conditions are excellent. All workers right are extended to everyone. That is repeated in many EU counties, Good pensions, good working conditions etc, skilled apprenticeships. Fully funded Uni education, Pity about the emission scandal. That fair let them down. They have to pay £Billions for that. Disgusting.
The Scottish economy would be near to the German economy. (Pro rata) That is probably what Scotland would compare to become. Comparable except for Westminster death wish on Scotland. Taking out £Billions from the Scottish economy paying for what the majority do not want. Then not because having the funding left to do what the majority does want. Westminster has wasted it all away. On their chosen projects. Not Scotland choices.
Could still get better off. Buying up and nationalising. Oil & Gas companies. It could be done.Then set it up as a none profit making Charitable Trust. Any profits could be retained in the Scottish Gov coffers for public service.,Do not pay the high Treasury taxes 40%, since Jan 2016, Totally damaging the sector. Importing Norwegian Oil & Gas, and fracked Gas from the US. It is terrible having to buy back your own assets. Statoil is reaping the profit from Scottish assets. Imagine having to buy back your own oil & Gas. The sector has damaged by Westminster greed and high Tory taxes.
Rock peddling the usual shite. You would think the braindead moron could at least go on the internet and find out a few facts. Before peddling the usual rubbish, making
an arse of himself. What a loser. Rock has obviously never travel anywhere except with blinkers on. Would rather spent his time on the internet slagging off the SNP. Than gathering some interesting information. To education his dinosaur self. You little creep. Go on. Google workers rights in EU counties. Go through the list. Or just google workers rights in Germany. Renting sector . Or just the economic facts. Dumb feck. Have you every travelled to a foreign country? Where?
Workers rights in France, Germany Etc. and workers rights in other EU companies. In Spain they gave rigid workers rights. Public jobs for life.
EU State owned energy companies etc, They do not allow unfair competition but they support State owned companies. It the case in made it will benefit the country and is an essential service. Look st the Island ferries/airlines. They are allowed public funding because they are an essential service.
Just like minimum pricing, The EU said it was a matter for the Scottish Courts.it was allowed. because it would improve the health of the people. Mitigating circumstances. The London Court has been dragging it’s heal on the verdict. It can take six months to deliberate. The final verdict will be within the next four months. They can’t not agree because it was passed in the Scottish Parliament 2012 by all Parties except Labour (as usual). They would rather kill people.
Scotland is sovereign under Scottish Law. Lord Cooper 1954. They have to ageee or break the Law. They also know the affects of excessive alcohol on society, They have been dealing with the fall out. All of their lives. Dealing with cases where children have to be fostered or adopted. Taken from their parents for good. Murders, deaths, abuse, child abuse and neglect because of the excessive consumption of alcohol. Most crime is committed under the affects of drink and drugs. (50%). One of the nearest routes to poverty is drink/drug abuse. That is why absolute abstinence is often the only outcome for addicts. Not ‘it’s ok to drink at a meal’ ‘Just drink sensible’ Addicts can’t enough is never enough fir them. If they do not get the specialist help. They end on a downward spiral and can’t work.
Still positive @ 11.45
I actually did forget about that
So glad you said something
Now I feel loads better because there’s a chance that there will be no more violence.
Mair power tae the negotiators…..the people are sovereign……
Those with itchy fingers responding to trolls. That’s why they’re doing it.
It’s tempting, but ignoring is less irritating for us, and more irritating for them.
@ petra who said
“Arlene Foster is saying No deal, no way, to T May’s “No Deal is better than a Bad Deal.”
Surprised?
“No deal” means Arlene and the DUP are finished in Ireland and in the UK. Which will probably please a lot of Engl