Two lost cousins
Posted on
September 16, 2014 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
Two full-page ads in today’s Scottish Sun from the two faces of the No campaign:
Vague, incoherent, half-hearted lies from an old dinosaur too bewildered to know where to lie down and die, and a demented racist holed up in a rural Post Office waiting for the men with the nets and the tranquilisers to arrive. “Better Together” in microcosm. This is what they think you’ll swallow, because this is what they think you are.
Two Lost Cousins? In bed together? Eeeew!
I think that will only re-inforce their own supports and piss off some undecided so all in all neglible impact.
It proves they have nothing to over.
A timetable is meaningless when they cannot be held to account at any point for timescale or powers.I use the term powers but in reality we all know they are just a trap to get the Scots to pay more in the long term (double taxation / Barnett cut and Westminster keeps all the revenue streams – Oil / APD / Crown estate / VAT etc etc
Roll on Friday Morning!
Mad bloke had me at Independence is forever-not just for Christmas! Even madder bloke was 12 years a UKOK Chancellor/Prime Minister so with a week to go, now he’s flogging devobleh. Crash made more sense when he was telling the world he wasn’t a Scot he was north British.
That advert on the RHS is from the same stable as the proudscots.co.uk people
it was wings wot won it
Again we have the not so subtle, but improved, linkage of SNP and the Fuhrer!
Sad bar stewards!
Sorry
URL is http://www.proudtobescots.co.uk
Gordon Brown’s advert is as black as the future he’s painting.
And I love how each ‘consequence’ in the other one is delimited by a bright cheerful tick! Doesn’t quite give the impression they’re aiming for. Yay, no more BBC! Yay, a new flag! Yay, no more illegal wars!
Are there similar Yes adverts?
Better with Scotland? Shouldn’t that read Better Together or do they realise that the union is now so toxic they can’t mention it.
Why should Scots buy a used car from any one of these unionist charlatan salesmen when they can get a brand new one by voting YES?
This is what Tory cash buys the Labour Party.
This week has been an overdose in fuckwittery. Roll on Friday.
The sad thing is there will be a large portion of Scots will believe this crap.
“TOO POOR, TOO WEE, TOO STUPID” – writ large in the Sun.
“The only thing worse than a liar is a liar that is also a hypocrite” – Tennessee Williams
Could have been written with Gordon Brown in mind.
Devo Schmevo!
The unfettered F wittery emanating from just about every media outlet is eye watering. Can all these journos really be so ill informed?
According to Chris Moncrieff of the Press Association, the Queen will no longer be able to holiday in Balmoral as it will then be in a foreign country.
What?
The favoured place for bewildered, old, political dinosaurs to go and die is the House Of Lords. Independence would deny Brown the chance of a peerage. Might this be colouring his judgement somewhat?
interesting
Interesting…Thanks Ricky !
YES. Scotland should be an Independent Country
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Quote from Herald
Martin Boon, director of polling company ICM, said the independence referendum could prove a “polling Waterloo” and become the industry’s biggest embarrassment since 1992, when surveys predicted a narrow victory for Neil Kinnock in the days before his eventual defeat to John Major.
I love the smell of panic in the morning.
link to heraldscotland.com
Whoops..sorry folks…the ‘interesting’ part is a reporter at the Cameron camp this morning commenting that the Yes campaign have it..the surge is overwhelming…YES YES YES..Woohoo…no compacency though..every vote has to count !!
Those SNP people are not going to convince me that Gordon Brown didn’t win the 2015 General election and as Prime Minister he will lead a dependent Scotland to the promised land of austerity.
Didnae ken Lochailort had a Post Office?…..
“Better With Scotland”. Just not Devo Max or any substantial powers. Those are Better With Westminster.
The RHS one was the one I saw in the Metro and referred to on another thread. There were two full page Yes ads in the Metro, one back-to-back with the RHS one. Less text, more photos, more positivity in ours.
Listen to the Andy Clark independence song on youtube
@Ananurhing
Cameron, Miliband & Clegg would be the genetical abnormal result of those two lost cousins rekindling their devotion for each other..
Just one big mess if there is a no.
GBs ad looks like a funeral notice…oh wait
Free tinfoil hats with the Sun today?
Why doesn’t the Yes campaign take out a full page advert with a random person off the street guaranteeing more powers? After all, the random persons guarantee will hold as much authority as a retired backbench oposition MP.
I’ve been waiting to see what NBTT would do in the last few days. I think we know now, Project Fear continues. This shows they believe it either effective or all they have left, or both.
Let’s hope the scare stories are now largely ineffective.
their contempt for honest folk know’s no limits.
we must consign them to the history books.
vote YES, and we have all the levers of POWER, we need.
be robust.
O/T sorry.
From the Irish Times on Saturday. Martin McGuinness on the death of Dr Paisley.
link to irishtimes.com
“What united us after decades of division was the common view that our people were better able to govern themselves than any British government.”
For the guy on radio Scotland phone in and anyone else questioning the effectiveness of a Scottish Defence Force here’s a quote i found hidden away on the bbc website on Sunday:
‘ Retired Lieutenant Commander Colin May, a senior Faslane naval intelligence officer, is backing the “Yes” campaign – and adds that he knows “many Royal Navy colleagues who would be delighted to serve in Scottish Defence Forces”.
He says: “The defence plans by the Scottish government would deliver the necessary capability for Scotland and the ability to contribute to Nato operations.” ‘
@red squirrel
It is a tad sombre. Hope he’s paying for it.
It’s in the Record just before the ‘who do you think you are kidding` advert.
Met a few nodding acquaintances in the cafe this morning some wearing YES. Bloody hell who knew?
I had them down as Gordon’s people, not one aged below 60.
Is it in the bag? Apart from that pig the three amigos are trying to sell us of course.
Brown’s ad looks amazingly like an obituary – big fat cat dies.
The other is a re-run of some closing sale, flog it cheap.
Both are still a “tell them anything” panic, we must do something, who cares what, just do something. It’s pathetic.
2 days to go, keep at it YES an Wingers. No is throwing everything they can at you and not winning. Hold on and smile. 🙂
In the event of a narrow Yes win on Friday morning, will BT have the brass neck to question the legitimacy of the result on the grounds that some of the votes were cast before their shiny devo-maybe “pledge”?
I wonder which paper will publish a list of “this is what will happen to you if you vote Yes” tomorrow?
We have to hold our nerve.
Don’t let them scare you into voting against self-government.
It is NORMAL for every other country in tbe world.
Isn’t it about time that somebody told poor sad old Gordon Brown about Mr Christopher Chote, the TORY member for Cambridge and what he and his other colleagues are saying at Westminster about a NO Vote being the status quo. The offers being made would be against the UK constitution.
FOR MORE POWER VOTE YES.
I always find that all-black pages in newspapers seem to smudge away very easily, much like the ‘guarantees’ that Brown is in no position to offer.
According to Tory backbencher Christopher Chope MP, Huey, Dewey, and Louie can promise whatever they want to the Scots, because he and his backbencher chums will not vote for it in parliament.
No passage through parliament, no new powers. Not that I thought there would be, but this just proves it.
Snake oil – vintage 1979 – at chemists near you this Thursday.
[…] Two lost cousins […]
Em that page in the Daily Retard,was that not similar to the one published not that long ago and Stu put on here. Gordon Brown, what can you say about him. He and Darling worked tirelessly in 2011 for a Labour Victory, wasn’t it Einstein who said doing the same thing time and again and expecting a different result is a sign of madness?
Positively positive positivity will win the day especially matched with a big broad confident smile!
Palestinian pipers support Independence, seems half the world is willing us on, the domino affect could be amazing.
Destruction of the United Kingdom – our home of more than 64 million people
Oh noes! If the United Kingdom is destroyed where will all the people live? Will we have to float on giant rafts in the sea, like something out of Waterworld? What effect might the loss of all that landmass have on Europe, or tidal flows around the world? Will it bring Armageddon? Why hasn’t there been a Daily Mail headline shouting “Independent Scotland Will Bring The End Of The World”? Won’t somebody think of the children?
Idiots.
A no vote also guarantees no more cabinet places for Scots MPs.
How long will England continue to allow the West Lothian question to be unanswered?
The only solution for them is Scotlandshire.
This has to be put to Darling and Alexander.
Lochailort Post Office? Mr MacDonald must have downsized dramatically!
It’s just a shame that the ultra rich in this country have been so quiet over the many years when inequality has grown, to the extent that 1 million of our fellow men women and children are living in poverty.
Flags, Nationality, the RAF etc etc – these matter little compared to relieving poverty and improving prospects for our young people, and pay and conditions for our working population.
I don’t have £10000 to spend on this referendum to broadcast my views – just Wings and the people I talk to but by trying to scare us rather than putting any kind of positive vision forward for the future the ultra rich in this country have missed an opportunity to participate in the change that needs to take place in this country.
And the list of priorities that push all the British Nationalist buttons shows how far out of touch Mr MacDonald is.
In a briefing document to Whitehall he described a, “grave crisis” over equipment. Scimitar tanks could not go into reverse unless their engines were restarted and Vector vehicles were out of action because “the wheels just kept falling off, literally” and only one in every five machine guns were working.
Major Nick Haston, who was Major Gen Mackay’s deputy chief of staff, resigned from the Army in protest at bureaucratic incompetence. He said troops had been so short of vital equipment that his staff bought spares on the internet. “I would say that some of the people that procure [equipment] in our Ministry of Defence haven’t a clue,” he said.
The level of incompetence is breathtaking. Quite how any military veteran would wish to add support to Westminster is beyond me. Scotland will operate a professional well equipped force. What is in place at present is disgraceful
link to caltonjock.com
Oh Jeez, that’s grim.
Vote no for a better Scotland? And they’ve done so well to date. I’ll maybe pass on that gracious offer.
FFS, two good loons together.
the turtles head is officially touching cloth…….
new ruk flag
a white cross on a white background……..
cant see NI wanting to share it
Definitely more YES posters going up in the windows, many more YES than NO.
Never read the Bun, I have heard that it is being too Yes friendly for the Nay Sayers liking but without coming out for one side or the other. If there is a big poll in the Sun on Thursday then I expect the Sun will align with who they think will win.
Hello folks, Long time lurker here, I just thought I’d post to say that it’s so refreshing to see and hear the views of everyone on this site. I’m an ex-pat that’s been trying to do his bit for the YES vote. I feels like it could be historic and I’m tending to look more toward the people of Scotland than the polls!! That’s why I believe that people like Brown are irrelivant because he had his chance!
On another note CNBC Today spoke of 24Bn dollors of investment in the Clair Oil Field with 250,000 barrels a day coming out and 8 Billion barrels which should last the next 78 YEARS!!!
We’ve GOT to win this .. for our children and the childrens children
It seems like Lochailort Post Office is a place well worth avoiding.
proudtobescots.co.uk
Another hillsburgh type report from a socialy corrupt msn who acctually buys into this shit, only a knuckle dragging moron
I’m starting to worry the only way that NO can stop this is by calling off or postponing the referendum.
Could it be done by raising concerns that the postal ballots have been compromised somehow. 🙁
I’m even paranoid writing this.
Douglas Alexander
BBC Breakfast this morning.
He said it was wrong to think that independence would mean the Scots would always get the government they wanted.
walofs
@Juteman,
Aye, they could do better than a random person off the streets, they could use Tom Clarke.
🙂
I can almost smell their fear from here in Australia. Stay strong Scotland and don’t believe their bullshit. Couple of days to go, vote Yes.
Anyone seen the latest crap from Eleanor Bradford
Apparently she has just been given Confidential papers showing that the Scottish Government are going to make cuts after the referendum
Needless to say this handy leak is being paraded by Better Together
How patronising is it that the Tory party , who are in government after all , are virtually absent from this debate except for arranging the donors who make the big expensive ads happen. The Labour Noes are no more than useful idiots to them. I think we should be hearing more from the 500 who own over half of Scotland, what do they say and how do they see the future?
Ron maclean- Snake oil sounds good
just spent half hour on the phone to an old colleague who’s voting NO, think I have sown some doubt, he was mostly concerned about pensions, gave him wings info told him about WBB, this constant lie machine will soon run out of steam and then we cracking saving this country of ours
“don’t let the bar stewards grind you down”
Syd
The NHS stuff from Bradford is a joke, talk about desperate measures. It is exactly this sort of stage managed piffle that has made the No campaign so negative and so complicit with the media.
Concern over future UK budget funding gaps are not cuts unless the gaps cannot be bridged. In short it is exactly what we are being warned about regarding austerity and the block grant.
Lochailort Post Office? Mr MacDonald must have downsized dramatically!
Lochailort post office is actually situated in a rather grand, but dilapidated, crumbling old castle (Inverailort House), run by a lovely old lady (with lots of pets!). It was owned by the Cameron-Head family and used as a Commando’s training HQ during the war.
I don’t know where the said Mr MacDonald is hiding out (somewhere in Lochaber?), but the Lochailort PO is just being used as a PO box.
Gordon Brown said you need to vote labour Scottish elections to save NHS,live on bbc
proving Westminster rules overs it
Reading around my usual clutch of newspapers – and yes I do look at some suspect outpourings – even our English neighbours are calling these barefaced threats and lies for what they are with many wishing they could join our valiant efforts towards Independence. I detect, as do others, that our social movement is catching and may yet prove to be an exemplar for others.
Little wonder at the naked panic of sending the Westminster salvage crew to attempt retention of their 307 year old land grab.
I’ve been on the phone this morning to my relatives…just turned 3 strong no’s into nervous yes votes! Just sent them links to WoS and the WBB so they should be strong yes votes by Thursday. Not a bad mornings work for a lad in Aldershot! Hehe
@boris
In regard to your comments about military veterans and the recent comments by his lordship general Dannatt simply google “scots sacrificed in France” to see what happened to the 51st Highland division.The bbc link (of all places) gives a fairly succinct, although biased, description of what happened to the 10,000 men,one of whom was my father, abandoned to their fate by the military and the British government
wonderful scenes, passion, love, certainty, we are NOT going home on the 19th, our movement for freedom is unstoppable.
the camera pans left to an empty no stall, says it all, at this stage.
have a great day.:-)
link to youtube.com
Gordy Broon, good grief anyone believing this charlatan needs to see a shrink.
link to blogs.telegraph.co.uk
Labour,win or lose the independence referendum,will lose the UK general election,Tories ahead and UKIP /Libdems probably have a quarter of the votes between them.
With more than 50% of the UK electorate ranged against it,Scotland is facing at least five more years of effectively Conservative government no matter how it votes in said general election.
When you factor in that the Tories now know exactly how the Labour party machine works,after all,they paid for it and always know what they pay for,it’s as well as all over before the election arrives. Voting NO is effectively a vote for the Conservatives delayed by 9 months.
Vote NO and you will get the government you deserve,a Tory one, with added Nigel and Boris.
Its nice to reminisce over the Crash glory days now. I’ve ended Boom and Bust, Prudence Prudence Prudence, I saved the world, British jobs for British people, Och just some odious women, punching back of headrest of ministerial jag as your whole con unravels on tape, Crash grovels to the greatest pack of teamGB fraudsters every seen in modern history, although Crash never saw any of it, as he was only teamGB Chancellor of the Exchequer for 10 years.
link to theguardian.com
“Mr Lord Mayor, we will not forget that the first and foremost duty of government – as the governor has reminded us – is to maintain and indeed to strengthen the monetary and fiscal stability that has enabled us, successively, to grow and remain free of recession over the last decade, even when facing the Asia crisis, the American downturn and now the rapidly rising oil and commodity prices of the last 3 years”
Bet that really cracked up the massed ranks of rich tax dodging spivs at this banquet
@Gerry Parker
I remember Tom Clarke, but I don’t know how or why.
I love the part where they “promote” Independence being something for life as a negative while trying to convince us that their as yet undefined devolution promises of something more are for life and as a result is a good thing.
What it means is the as yet undefined extra powers being offered “FOR LIFE” is good because if its for LIFE then clearly there is no more room to offer any more.
So this is what they mean by Devo Max. This is the absolute maximum we are going to offer because its for life.
FFS how gullible do people have to be to be taken in by this level of school ground campaigning?
I’m losing track of all these rapidly-breeding straplines and slogans from the No side.
‘Better with Scotland’ – where did that one come from?
Looks like Gordy just took a YES message, changed it to “no” and hopes everyone will fall for it. Big Gordy’s campaign clunking along.
brown insults scots
dads army
private fraser
Well at least there is one Tory MP who is saying publicly what she thinks 🙂
link to bedfordshire-news.co.uk
I keep asking this very simple question, which never seems to get an answer – why do so many on the No side put a negative spin on the word “foreigner” in their articles and arguments? Are foreigners bad? It’s a hilariously insular viewpoint.
Also, does anyone else think Brown’s advert looks more like some sort of obituary than anything else? The doom and gloom from No continues, despite their desperate attempts of late to suggest that Yes is a “negative” campaign.
@Juteman says:
16 September, 2014 at 10:45 am
“Why doesn’t the Yes campaign take out a full page advert with a random person off the street guaranteeing more powers?”
I liked that 😀
It put it in perspective.
I see there is a new TV series starting on Thursday.
‘The Great British Spewing Bee’.
However, former leader Alec Douglas-Home was still able to urge Scots to vote ‘no’ to Labour’s proposal in 1979, with the promise that a Conservative government would offer a “better” bill.
link to en.wikipedia.org
Vote No on Thursday for a better Scotland.
Former leader Gordon Brown ….
Does he even know that he is echoing history?
Just had another YouGov poll on Scottish Indy delivered to my inbox. So I’m guessing another YouGov poll out tomorrow.
Seems to be exactly the same questions as I answered in the poll that first gave YES the lead a couple of weeks ago. I didn’t get an invite to participate in last weeks poll that was 48 Yes / 52 No.
Have to admit I’m relieved that Rupert Murdoch had not backed us. That would have been a taint that would never leave.
From that 2006 Crash City speech
“The message London’s success sends out to the whole British economy is that we will succeed if like London we think globally. Move forward if we are not closed but open to competition and to new ideas. Progress if we invest in and nurture the skills of the future, advance with light touch regulation, a competitive tax environment and flexibility. Grow even stronger if this is founded on a strong domestic market built on the foundation of stability.”
They certainly kept to their “light touch regs” word. Flipper Darling says he only knew about RBS being run by a bunch of moronic greedy bastards was when Fred The Shred knocked on his Morningside back door and said no RBS bank or cash machine would be opened next morning over a nice warm cup of Flippers coco.
That’s what Flipper says but then he was only the Chancellor of the Exchequer and he’d watched Northern Rock go belly up a year earlier. High finance at the Teasury eh? It’s just very very creepy watching these catastrophic incompetent lying conmen desperately trying to close down Scottish democracy.
@BuckieBreas,
‘Better with Scotland’, they obviously haven’t been reading BTL on MSM recently.I can’t believe the vitriol against Scotland for daring to wish for a better future.
@ Kaspar
And my father, rearguard action at Dunkirk, captured then force marched to Poland and spent five years in a Polish salt mine.
He was stone deaf when he returned home.
Isn’t the new powers “guaranteed” actually illegal to print when it really is unsubstantiated nonsense which has already come under fire from Tory MPs themselves…
Kaspar, thanks for that timely quote. My father was also one of the thousands in the 51st abandoned at St Valery to because, as always, the Scots were disposable assets to the British state. Not much has changed in that culture. I’m a recent YES convert and this is a reminder of why. Alba gu snooker loopy!
A series of discussions, (at the highest level) were conducted within the Scottish Regimental hierarchy pertaining to major organizational change, at the time Scottish soldiers were deployed to the war in Iraq and other operational areas. Although there was some dissemination of information at senior levels, this did not include junior ranks in case they became upset. The top dog in place was General, (keep them in the Dark) Loudon and he wishes things to stay as they are. I don’t think so.
link to caltonjock.com
NHS ‘leaks’ are meaningless.
They are ALWAYS trying to keep costs down.
Less bureaucracy means more money to spend on treatments.
We need to think of the big picture. Getting the powers to increase the OVERALL budget.
dennis mclaughlin:
Lochailort *is* a Post Office…
Better with Scotland is registered to a PO box in Westminster… Geoffrey Robinson is of course Geoffrey Robinson MP.
A clever guy who has amassed a £30 million fortune and wants to use his vast wealth to help us in our democratic process.
Wonder how much his adverts cost: it wouldn’t surprise me if it was somewhere in the region of £9999.99!
It is so wonderful that all of these extremely well off donors want to help us make a decision on Thursday – they care so much about the people of Scotland!
Organisations that were set up to fund additional advertising in the last few days of the campaign for Better Together under different names is a great way of getting the message across and avoiding any troublesome spending limits Better Together have to stick to.
It just makes me wonder how much the UK government has spent campaigning directly and indirectly through rich parliamentarians like Geoffrey.
The lengths the Westminster establishment will go to to assist Scotland make up her mind is astonishing.
Luigi: Agreed. I’m going to imagine Mr Macdonald is a somewhat weather-beaten upper class gentleman with peculiar views, living out of an old army lorry somewhere in the forests outside Ft William.
These people do exist, and you shouldn’t take any notice of them even if they can afford a full page Ad in the Sun.
O/T Dundee United come out for Yes 🙂
link to yesscotland.net
Big Gordy should no be allowed out unsupervised, and never, never be allowed to frighten and lie to the people of Scotland ever again. The man is unbalanced and deluded. That leaves the question who listens to this fool.
Kalmar
I’m afraid the list of registered participants and large donors to the No campaign is made up of the ultra rich landowners and financiers, and of course MPS. It’s a nice idea to imagine the No campaign as crazy retired military types but is wrong.
Nice fellow that Geoffrey Robinson telling the Scottish people how to vote today in that Ad
link to news.bbc.co.uk
Wonder if the workers at the pro union Daily Record know he received £200,000 from Robert Maxwell….probably from their pension fund.
Other one… well…could be Angus MacDonald huge estate owner but much of the merchandising links go to
Jack.MacDonald@hotmail.com who seems to be a local/Oban chartered accountant..busy post office Lochailort…Confused who they are or dishonest who knows?
Mike says:
16 September, 2014 at 11:42 am
“how gullible do people have to be to be taken in by this level of school ground campaigning?
They simply have nothing to express but anxiety.
NO is empty, it is a vacuum.
YES is vibrant and full of life. Renewal is sweet.
EBC 24
Having a Labour only day. Can’t get fairer than that. Let’s the YES camp have a rest day, bless em.
I had a wee surprise this morning when I opened up with my neighbour on the oncoming vote on Thursday. I introduced the topic by asking her if she was preparing for Thursday and at the same time saying I was excited by it. She responded positively. I said, “Have you seen the Wee Blue Book.” “Yes” she said, “I have read it on-line.”
Stuart, you have done wonders for our ability to share ideas and to re-invigorate politics. Nothing is going to be the same again.
Its not the Daily Show but a knock off now doing Scotland. Rowling made her money with an English star and a ginger side kick…
link to facebook.com
Jim
I think YouGov are doing a big sample (presumably 2,000+) for the Sun for Thursday if I read Kelner correctly. So it may be that one.
On the other hand, the Sun front page appeared to be predicting a YES win today (didn’t buy it of course, saw it at the newsagent). If it had come out for YES I might have bought it as a souvenir.
Another appalling shouty interrupty interview of Alec Salmond on GMS this morning while AD gets all the time in the wold to develop his “thoughts”. Soon all this will pass!
United Chairman Stephen Thompson says YES!
link to yesscotland.net
come on guys not everything the Bitter mob say is a lie. I heard Alexander mention Thursday 18th as being the voting day. Unless they’re going to change it to Wed 17th and not tell any of us, only chance they’ve got. Gonna be a big slap in the face for pollsters as they are proved to be snake oil salesmen.
@Bugger
I remember Tom Clarke, but I don’t know how or why.
You were not drunk one night and… 😀
Well, I was for independence, but due to my pathological hatred of foreigners this has really made me reconsider my position.
Brown now deserves a yellow straight jacket, he is a bumbling deceitful idiot. Who needs real help by some top doctors, as his case may defeat medical science.
Ref the adverts, I would like to find out who paid for this ie see the actual account. I have this something nagging me, was it really Westminster, he Majesty’s Government?
After all they were paying BT internet ads!
By the way, on complaining about that to the E/C, they confirmed my email and said they would get back as soon as poss, no reply came. In thrall methinks!
Another General supports Better Together. But this is what he had to say about the MoD and cut’s in the Army. Quite how he sleeps at night defeats me.
“We had to come up with a solution, we couldn’t just go back to Whitehall (MoD) without one, they would have just imposed it. Inevitably it was enormously painful, because this is the ultimate change.”
He reflects: “What people find hard to accept is that the commitment and determination of our soldiers is not reflected in the way the Treasury is constantly driving down the costs, and the balance between having the right manpower and procurement – which always costs too much and takes too long.”
link to caltonjock.com
As I see it YES is the future, NO is the past. The future may be scary but not as scary as the past.
Had a wee shop in Dalkeith and found BT campaigners hard at work. Not one under 60 years. I was ignored as they saw my Wings badge but i did ask quietly why they were voting for a foriegn country ruling over their children. No answer only a mumble and some thing about you Wingers causing trouble.
I left them to there business and got home to find them at the local shops. Again over 60’s and again ignored once they saw my Badges. I was nice , asking them how they are doing and heard the usual reply of ” fine everyone wants a badge or sticker.
never saw a local with one so not sure how they are doing but most folk shook their heads politely as they passed.
I am no spring chicken myself but i see so many pensioners out touting union promises. Surely these folk know that they always lie.
I think they are quite selfish too. Going on about pensions and mortgages but ignoring the food banks and like.
Most YESSERS say they want a fairer country. Equality and a voice for all. Old BT – whats in it for me ??
Tick tock
still excited as hell YES posters up everywhere and my flags are getting viewed by buses every 10 minutes.
not long now folks.
@Liquid Lenny
Ms Dorries is my local MP – I already wrote to her about these unfortunate remarks, particular references to “we” and “them” – I thought we were all “One Nation”, “Better Together” etc., etc., etc., … I await a reply….
david cameron heading to Dundee
um “call me Dan, not Desperate”
hi Lanakist
see ya the morn
Who honestly sat down and thought “Get Gordon Brown!”
The guy is toxic. Epitome of yesterdays men that is getting cleared away once and for all by Thursdays vote.
So! Are we to assume from this that saggy face Rupert will not be backing the YES campaign ? 🙂
Beattie Programme Radio Scotland. Polling expert.
Coo! The uninformed are more likely to vote NO.
Also the young & Women more undecided/ NO.
Cautionary note: There is risk on both sides so it’s all up in the air too close to call he says.
McWhirter & Torrance. on now.
McWh: NO’s Last stand.
Clegg = Vow. Sceptisism!
Gordon = Nothing new except NHS will increase mabees aye,
maybees naw?
Torr. (the tory)
Bit of a gap between the three sets of new powers.
Unionist parties have a good track record on promises. (Aye!)
Not possible to state new powers after folk have put in postal votes, should have been done a year ago.
Torrance: More to the vote than new powers or money.
Rev Stu tweets…
link to twitter.com
Strange – never ever been contacted before by polling companies. Yesterday it was Survation and this morning You Gov and Survation again? Exactly the same questions from Survation both times.
Lovely analogy from Yousaf Humza who likened the type of malicious panic measures, illustrated above in the Scottish Sun, to someone out of time and with no imagination dashing into a late-night garage to buy the last cheap bunch of wilted flowers.
Saw a stunning display for YES in Alloway yesterday , near village centre, had lots of big YES’s and banner re Burns for YES. Excellent display especially there where many will be voting for their wallets.
Cant believe Wampum hasnt appeared on first article that actually references Passports
Cue a “Belfast!” scream somewhere!
Awe sweet, they think they’re journalists. Even this is 1.30 mins of vote NO or else. link to bbc.co.uk
Just remember, The truth will set us all free.
They are attempting to normalise that voting No is the(default)normal position. This is keeping many of what they consider thier core voters comfy; the ‘silent majority’ narrative’ plays into the egos’ of those ‘who know what’s best for us’. They will let us know the ‘true state of affairs’ on Friday. Then we’ll realise the ‘fantasy world’ we are all living in.
Murphy reinforces this aspect strongly, with his reprimanding ‘call the dogs off snp’ rhetoric, further infantalising the Yes side as unruly misguided and out of control; ultimately ‘if this is how they behave, they ‘certainly can’t be trusted to run the country’, inferences running through his incessant victim rhetoric.
I’ve always considered that the 19th will ultimately show just how many have become totally conditioned by the overarching consensus that is generated by the constant exposure to news channels, telly in general, papers etc, that they simply can’t conceive of the world in any other terms other than the one that is reflected back at them through these portals. The effect of this is that people have internalised so deepy and invisibly, a proscribed ‘reality’, that is never challenged or questioned from the inside.
Once you understand that, it simply makes sense why the anger and the lashing out and blaming is all that is left. Because there is no acceptance of what is actually now being reflected back from those same trusted reliable sources, thier world is (for them) being ‘torn apart’, they are ‘fighting’ for thier very existence. And so the rhetoric and bias that we see clearly, they don’t perceive that, they hear the clarion call of people on thier side.
They, the spin merchants, they know this game inside out, it’s all about control. They know the truth that pretty much of all of what has been said by the Yes side, stacks up. There really isn’t going to be a Macopalypse when we win. Amd because they have no legitimate well reasoned counter argument for staying in the political union, they have been left with nothing to do but attack and smear the Yes side. And those that have relied upon the reflection of that proscribed reality ‘follow’ those ‘dog whistles’. They do not realise they are merely pawns in the bigger (more lucrative) game that those in the establishment are really fighting for: thier power and position.
I do think, feel and sense that we will win, regardless of the bombardment from the naysayers. They have profoundly underestimated the yearning for change, not just here in Scotland, but in the rest of these isles too.
They’ve had thier day, it’s time for change. We are now unstoppable.
link to facebook.com
Betfair paying out on a No win:
link to telegraph.co.uk
There are, of course, some precedents:
“Concessions to adversaries only end in self reproach, and the more strictly they are avoided the greater will be the chance of security.”
Thucydides
“For the love of gain would reconcile the weaker to the dominion of the stronger, and the possession of capital enabled the more powerful to reduce the smaller cities to subjection.”
Thucydides
“In the end, more than freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all – security, comfort, and freedom. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again.”
Edward Gibbon
The Fourth Estate is dead, there was a funeral. Long live the Fifth Estate. My prediction, 84% turn out, Yes 66% No 44%.
Lots of interest here in Republic of Ireland – we are watching.
Apologies for “our man” Sir Bob Geldof who sounded like a simpleton in London yesterday evening “…UK the best invention of the modern world. Every other place close by is a dream”
I dont think his intervention will sway anyone – but his lecture does add to the sense in Ireland that the Scots are being shouted down by others telling them how to vote.
Be brave Scotland – ignore the noise. You are all posed what seems like a simple question – Who do you think will goven you best ? Those politicians that are closer and anserable to voters in Scotland or benign (at best) MPs you dont vote for? Historically most independence polls are passed – for this reason alone. Democracy at a local level.
All other issues will be decided later (hopefully for you and by your own politicians)
Beir buadh
Sorry O/T but VERY VERY important. Many voters have not received their polling cards and probably won’t in time for the referendum. Many are saying people in places where Yes support is strong are wost hit by this scam. Please spread the word that YOU DO NOT NEED A POLLING CARD TO VOTE.
I see that now the power is going to be cut off…….havent they heard of renewables?
Most of my friends are already foreigners anyway. And my daughter is half foreign. Doesn’t mean I think any less of them. For me, as a Welshman, a Scot is a Scot. He/She comes from another country, and is proud of it. As I am to be Welsh. Scot is not Welsh, therefore “foreign”. Big deal. The beer still tastes the same when he buys the round.
Cannae mind if it was yesterday or the day before, but there was a BT dude with his Vote No posters telling a TV reporter in Selkirk, I think it was, that people were scared to put them up on their windows because their windows would be broken with stones, or egged… lying scum – but, hey, this is UK broadcast media where anything is allowed if it smears the Yes campaign.
Oh yes, they also showed Rory the Tory’s music concert [sic] for his Hands across the Border/Build a Cairn/whatever campaign. Subtle editing made it seem that there were, oh, 12 people there, instead of the true number of about 10! Comedy gold!
So EU and Ukraine ratify associaton agreement in what is said to be one of the worst performing economies in the world. No place for Scotland?
BBC bigging up Gordo…Alastair has been ousted, as has Cameron.. it must be true it’s on BBC.
Gordo.. I can hear you telling lies and see the collapsible magic wand up your sleeve, it’s an old trick from 1979.
He running out of cards to manipulate too.
NHS safe in my hands! Aye right!
Someone yesterday posted a list of Westminster MPs with seats on the boards of health providing companies waiting on more privatisation, which is coming soon.
Vote YES.
Just back from vote this week deliveries.
Out to see a couple of don’t knows, then I will rest to recoup my strength for tomorrow ad Thursday.
Betfair paying out…I wonder where they pay Tax?
Betfair Group plc is the world’s largest Internet betting exchange. The company is based in Hammersmith in West London, England. In 2011 Betfair went offshore and became registered and licensed in Gibraltar, since 9 March 2011 its betting exchange operated under an offshore licence
Kenny MacAskill,well said that man. “three desperate men” 🙂
Giant boost for most unpopular prime minister ever from BBC lunchtime, as Gordon is now head of bettertogether, will save the union and ofcourse David Cameron as Prime Minister too. How’s about that then guys n girls for BettertogetherBBC irony.
Can they reach enough voters though, BBC in Scotland going apeshit over £400000000 gazillion NHS short fall but only if you vote YES, you stupid little Scottish people.
Whatever happens, BBC in Scotland has got to go.
@Phil
Im willing to bet your mistaken
Phil: 66+44=110…..
O/t
Tom Bradby , Political Editor at ITV is not pleased. He is finding the Yes campaign rather unpleasant…
“…Alex Salmond has barely set foot inside the House of Commons for a decade and yet on the question of a currency union he claims to know what politicians there are going to do better than they do themselves – and certainly better than all those Westminster analysts whose job it is to talk to these people and study their mindsets, day in day out. It is frankly absurd. Anyone who lived through the Euro crisis at Westminster knows that, but point it out and you are guaranteed a volley of abuse….”
link to itv.com
Phil
That makes 110%.
Too many dead people must have voted.
Desimond, not sure what that has to do with them paying out early.
Seems a bit foolish by them, folk saying they might have prior information of the TNS poll, but personally I think it’s because they expect the decision to mirror Quebec.
From Anon on Scotgoespop:
This betfair talk is absolute absolute pish. It is categorically not true. If it was true the market would still not be open and the odds certainly wouldn’t be at 1.28 were they pretty much have been the last few days with no change whatsoever. There will be movement later when polls come out. If that info was already out there the odds would have began going down for NO already, back to the levels they were at for most of the campaign. This hasn’t happened.
Anyone who knows anything about Betfair or who uses the site knows this is absolute utter trash talk. People can close position and trade out any time on exchanges, to lock in a profit, or accept a loss. That is a very different thing from the market actually being settled which it categorically hasn’t.
If it was all over on the betting exchanges the board would be clear, and all that would be left would be 1.01 to lay against NO and 1.01 to back on YES, from the cheeky chaps who do that sort of thing when the result is undecided.
Give no credence to this kind of talk. If anyone had inside info on tonight’s polls the markets would be changing, and right now they are as static as they have been for days.
Never trust the Torygraph.
Says sportbook only? As Betfair users know,there is the exchange and there is the sportsbook. Gimmick.
Yeah I see that, makes me look dumb. I’ll blame it on my passion for the cause.
@chalks
Its just a publicity gimmick and possible a headline grabber encouraged by a nudge from a Lobbying friend who has been told “scratch my back..” at Westminster but people are beyond newspapers now.
Im sitting with my Yes bet on at Bet365 and still confident there’ll be money for the foodbank kitty on Friday.
I note the Times have added AS name to their list of axis of evil dictators.
With friends lie these, who needs enemies…
chalks says @ 1:11 pm
Betfair paying out on a No win
“The online bookmaker says it is paying out a “six-figure sum”.
Probably more cost-effective and much easier than donating a six-figure sum for BT advertising. Not that cost is a factor for them anyway:
“Betfair Group PLC had revenues for the full year 2014 of 393.6M GBP. This was 1.7% above the prior year’s results.”
link to independent.co.uk
‘Now Betfair. if you do this for us we’ll continue with the tax avoidance scheme’.
Aye Desimond, from everything I hear, things are going well, I doubt the NHS thing will make much difference either to be honest, as reading the bloody thing it is a reason for independence!
I was recently asked by two newly engaged and wavering Nos where all the money has come from to fund the Yes and No campaigns.
They are not on the internet, so I am going to print out the following:
link to electoralcommission.org.uk
And the excellent piece the Rev did on the companies and ‘gentlemen’ who are concerned about the future of our country. Not.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Every last doubtful No vote to Yes is a winner in my book.
I would also like to thank the MSM and the BBC for helping me convert so many Nos to Yes in the last few weeks.
I was proud of my wee 16-year-old grand-daughter this morning. She is due to go off on a school trip to the First World War battlefields, on Friday morning.
But, she is determined to be up early and to be there when the polling station opens at 7am, so she can cast her Yes vote.
And there was me thinking her head was full of fashion, boys and pop music.
It’s old age, my grand-daughter is going to France on Thursday, not Friday.
Cal
i’ve posted that to other sites, it may be just postal delays who knows, but right enough the info is vital.
@David Stevenson
Phil: 66+44=110…..
The sentiment was correct if not the arithmetic, unless Phil meant the figures were after the no side done their calculations using the Alexander calculator.
Wow,i take it back, the BBC are okay, the reporting and journalism are of the highest quality
BBC News 24 just now:
“Hi, youre a Conservative MP, where do you stand on Thursdays vote?”
cue open floor
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the ("Tractor" - Ed) moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the ("Tractor" - Ed) appears not a ("Tractor" - Ed); he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
Marcus Tullius Cicero
What is going on with this ‘leaked’ NHS document about cuts after the referendum? The No campaign seem to think they have found the holy grail to beat us down with.
You dont actually need your polling card, as it says on the card itself. ” This card is for information only. You can vote without it, but it will save time if you take it to the polling station and show it to the staff there”
I would advise taking something with your address on it.
Stu – you say A. Macdonald is a demented racist, though a quick skim through his page doesn’t seem to have anything definitely racist in it – though you can well imagine…is he in the BNP?
Anyway, he has a site selling BT propaganda:
link to proudtobescots.co.uk
He sells banners at cost, apparently: £100 + £10 p&p.
The ‘Humour’ section of the site is so lame that it inspires pity. What must life be like if your brain functions at such a low level?
I’d give very, very short odds on him being local and sane.
For a very stark illustration of why Westminster is so reluctant for us to go and why Scotland will be very successful please refer to page 15 of this ONS report:
link to ons.gov.uk
The key to a successful economy is production.
O/T
I received a SLAB leaflet through the post today (unsolicited I must add), full of the nonsense we have come to expect. However, the interesting part is in the small print. A Scottish political party, campaigning on a Scottish political issue, has chosen to ignore the entire Scottish print industry, and get their leaflets printed in England.
I’ve put a photo on my Flickr page, however I’m not on Facebook or Twitter, so I’m hoping that the good people of Wings can send this far and wide.
link to flickr.com
Many thanks.
Fraserburgh fisherman on BBC News saying “Im not voting, its my right not to vote”
Pathetic.
@Bugger(the Panda)
Very apt quote.
just had a work mate approach me this morining asking my opinon of how the vote will go, I said its too close to call, he said he’s still a no but then went onto ask me how will we do this how will we do that, I asnwered him and he went off with the last WWB! 🙂 the winds of change?
@ Desimond 1.48pm
I also like how the BBC are highlighting Cameron’s Revolt amongst his own MP’s.. Oh hang on.. they’re not..
link to telegraph.co.uk
How could you vote No after reading that and still claim we’re Better Together, uKOK. Pish!
This is definitely a campaign where people are finding out their information online. And when they see what is going on they realise that the Establishment are lying, and have been lying to us for decades. More and more of us are saying this must stop.
The only way to do this is to VOTE YES.
Been hearing that there’s a big rally/party to be held in George/Independence Square on Friday at 12 noon. Can anyone confirm or deny?
Noticed this morning that the Donald Dewar statue at the Concert Hall steps was festooned with a big YES saltire.
A staunch no voter approached me with questions at work this morning, went away with my last wbb. winds of change?
Well a no voter has just spoken to us all, she was at Cameron’s speech last night. She says Cameron isn’t speaking as a politician but as a subject of the UK.
We are still laughing.
I see the pay-wall in the herald is down so they could bombard us with ‘The Pledge’ and the Herald has come out for No – what a surprise – but only if we get extra powers.
I’ve got news for you Herald – we won’t.
But the best bit is if you click onto the front page on-line, up pops 3 vote Yes posters.
We need to remind ourselves that Gordon Brown has a great deal to lose here- even more than Lord John Reid. Not only does he have his MP’s salary and expenses which should be more than enough for anyone but he also has a windfall £150k a year as an ex-PM just to keep him in the status that he doesn’t deserve.
Funny how all this frantic effort to shore up the Labour ‘No’ vote is getting even more frantic. It all seemed to kick off with the 10K poll which never saw the light of day but which was paid for by taxation and given to Blair McDougall and then came the Yougov poll showing a ‘yes’ lead. I am convinced that the poll under wraps was offering the same message, but this time they couldn’t hide it. Headless chickens doesn’t cover it!
Interesting article in the Torygraph
link to telegraph.co.uk
o/t (Luddite) RT channel and Web site covering Scottish Independence inspiring others accros Europe.
Here is a question for you all.
When Scotland becomes independent, who will pay for the security and the wages of the ex PMs Brown and Blair?
I am hoping it will be rUK and we will not be sadled with the expense.
Edulis – the money he is drawing in from his, erm, charity will more than compensate for his pin money being taken away.
The slogan “better with Scotland” betrays a certain mindset: it is the independence issue seen from a Westminster perspective, i.e. we, the Westminster elite, are better with Scotland. The Westminster mob don’t give a monkey’s about the fact that we in Scotland are worse off staying with them.
The herald have their pay-wall down so we can read all the nonsense re The Pledge.
they have also said they are supporting No but only if we get more powers – I’ve got news for them – we won’t.
The best bit is if you open up on-line, the front page has 3 Yes posters.
ProudScotButts – Public School boys with canes.
Cartoon fodder?
“Fraserburgh fisherman on BBC News saying “Im not voting, its my right not to vote””
Anybody know who the Broch fisherman is? I’ll get my folk onto him, pronto.
QQ. The problem with that is that he will have no ex-anything status when we go independent. Who wants to listen to pay £50K a shot to listen to a dodo? His charity(?) will fold soon after.
A MacDonald, Lochailort?
Could that be Angus at Roshven House? Look him up at http://www.roshvenhouse.com . He even gives his phone number. Should we all phone him up and bid him the time of day?
Dear Scottish No Voters,
I am writing this today to be broadcast on Friday
because by then I’ll be sozzled on champagne, thanks to you.
By the way, I had the bubbly sent over from Westminster,
but that’s our little secret.
I want to thank all of you who voted No
even though you knew deep down
you should have voted Yes – as all the sensible people did.
I couldn’t have done it of course,
without a totally compliant BBC, STV and the Press and Radio
who did such a great job in topping up the daily diet of
lies and scaremongering which proved so effective
in persuading so many of you, especially the elderly, to vote No.
I want to thank all my union supporting friends
in Scotland for paying the ultimate price
in sacrificing your country
and at such great future cost to yourselves
and to your families
who will now endure decades of poverty and misery.
This is the way it has to be in order to save England.
Well, actually, just the little bit of England where I live.
You see, there’s something I haven’t told you Scots
and it’s terribly important for us down in London.
Scotland is very,very,very wealthy, almost beyond belief,
because of oil and gas.
Scotland is surrounded by billions of tons of oil.
I have kept quiet about it for many years because
we didn’t want to upset you.
But the thing is, you see, because the UK has so much debt
and because it really does cost an awful lot of money
to keep the super wealthy elite in a proper manner,
well, Westminster has decided that we simply must
have all your money – yes, all of it, for ever.
Now I can only imagine that your lives will be very hard
after the Referendum, and for generations to come,
but it won’t be so bad, disease and hunger will soon lead
to a premature death for many Scots, and let’s face it,
dying isn’t so bad, now is it?
And one day, perhaps by accident, you might just catch a glimpse
of a blinding white light coming from the west,
and after that you’ll have no more worries. Trust me.
Excuse me a moment, I just want to top up my champagne glass.
Now, where was I? Oh, Yes. I mean of course, Oh No!
It’s those No votes that are going to make all that I have said above come true after all.
I’m sure you all understand why I had to do this and I do thank
you all for your understanding and patience.
I doubt very much if I’ll be seeing you all again, so,
Cheerio then,
Your Prime Minister,
David Cameron.
Ps. One last word of thanks to the Labour Party in Scotland
who actually did all the dirty work for me. I’ll send along a few beers later in appreciation. Well done!
Midgehunter, think he was working in the fishmarket and the title said “trader”. He sounded like he had a kinda Geordie accent, not a local accent.
whoops – previous post – I meant very, very long odds!
Clegg’s signature on the pledge appears to have been written in disappearing ink – how appropriate – or is it a join-the-dots puzzle to appeal to a younger demographic?
link to i4.dailyrecord.co.uk
Sorry, I forgot, mustn’t use the world “pledge” – might give some people the wrong idea:
link to mugsysrapsheet.com
Manandboy
Who leaked this? It has to be illegal because none of the official leak channels, the Treasury, the BBC, Jackie Baillie, would ever have passed this on.
“Tory bloodbath’ over devolution The Daily Telegraph reports that Prime Minister David Cameron faces a Tory “bloodbath” over further devolution.
The article follows comments from Tory MP Christopher Chope on the BBC at the weekend in which he said there may be enough Tory MPs to block any additional powers going to the Scottish Parliament following a “No vote”.
SNP MP Angus Robertson said: “The Westminster revolt against any more powers for Scotland is up and running, and exposes the utter deceit at the heart of the No campaign that additional powers would follow a No.””
The Westminster backlash has begun. They are busy sharpening their bayonets.
EDF Energy Boss reported on Sky as coming out against Independence. Letter to 1200 Scottish staff warning of the consequences of an Independent Scotland.
Another trougher.
Don’t worry about wee Gordy Broon folks. I hear he is going to stand in the 2016 election for Holyrood just so he can show Alex Salmond what a massively huge bruiser he really is, Broon I mean. 😛
Oh if anyone was wavering about voting YES or NO then I can confirm that today the Scottish Border Force started putting up the necessary border check points.
link to facebook.com
RE the Health “leaked” document. Maybe they want to divert attention from the car crash that is the English NHS documented in the Guardian.
link to tinyurl.com
“Insiders say that figures due out on Friday are far worse than expected and likely to make “grim reading” for health secretary Jeremy Hunt. Hunt has already given hospitals more than £1bn of extra funding over the last year to help them cope with winter pressures and tackle a mounting backlog of operations, which recently reached a six-year high.”
Oops, I forgot to add this sad news news about the almost non existent oil field West of Shetland. 😉
link to facebook.com
Scotland is the last captive forced to sook on the Imperial teet. The Empire is past her fruitful years, and only producing a little sour milk. Time to break free from these shackles and flourish!
I think the Lochailort nutjob website it a spoof. It claims some items are for sale, but there’s no way to buy them. It suggests getting involved but features at broken link to the No Better Together Thanks UKOK site. It claims to have a humour section, but the side splitting takes remind me more of my nephew’s jokes when he was about 4 or 5.
I like the sound of Independence Square!
I’m quite disgusted with the Herald. Not because it’s supporting NO but because it’s thick as mince if it thinks there’s any chance of the pledge being kept. I thought there was more brains, apparently it’s only sludge.
As if Cameggiband is going to pay any attention to them when it’s all over: “we back staying within UK, but only if there’s more far-reaching further devolution”.
Thick as mince.
scotspine @ 2:48 pm
EDF Energy Boss reported on Sky as coming out against Independence. Letter to 1200 Scottish staff warning of the consequences of an Independent Scotland.
Another trougher.
Not just any trougher, he’s Gordon’s brother:
link to en.wikipedia.org
Current title seems to be
“Brand Sustainability and External Communications Director”
In the herald and Telegraph online Betfair are paying out on no bets ?
No point hoing to vote on the 18th then lol
VOTE YES
@Dadsarmy
A damning caveat if ever there was one. 🙂
We’re only for it if…
And they’ll guarantee significant powers or indeed hold oath breakers to account how precisely? They’ll use harsh language perhaps? Throw a hissy fit? 😀
They were always no better than the rest, they simply had a better spell checker.
ChrisB
Thanks for the clarification.
You won’t hear the media state that though.
Tom Devine: UK is a failed state, with inept and inadequate governance
SIR Tom Devine, the leading historian, has claimed the UK is a “failed state,” as he predicted
the herald dont worry the paywall is down
O/T re Betfair paying out on No
Just another Tory Supporting Big Business backing No,
It probably wont cost them that much as the odds were mostly long odds-on and the probably didn’t take that many bets on it.
A six figure sum paid out could be £120,000 and because of the very short odds they would have taken most of that in on the original bets.
At odds of 5-1 on (and most of the time the odds were a lot shorter than that) To get £120,000 back you would gave to bet £100,000 in the first place to it would have cost Betfair £20,000 in total .
So for this possible £20,000 cost (a drop in the ocean for a company like Betfair) they get free advertising and also to help out their friends in high places no doubt hoping for something in return.
It’s also meant to boost the flagging No campaign and sow doubt in the minds of Yes voters. Quite possibly a pre-arranged stunt organised between BT and Betfair.
Just treat it like any other BT propaganda.
There is absoulutely no way a betting company can confidently predict the outcome of this referendum based on betting patterns alone.
.
I took advantage of the paywall being down at the Herald, now I seem to be in constant moderation. What fun, I see they still have the OBE from Woking, well that is one without a vote.
They never clarify that Aggreko is owned by that tub of lard, Conservative Mp and Scion of the Churchill family, Nicky Soames’ brother when that company rants against Scottish Democracy.
Sins of Omission and Commission the guardians of truth. Not being of the Papal persuasion I forget what the other one is.
In the herald and Telegraph online Betfair are paying out on no bets ?
No point hoing to vote on the 18th then lol
VOTE YES.
Don’t know if many have seen this from the Lancet on 10th September 2014, just a wee timely reminder about what the true reality of TTIP means for Scottish NHS.
Privatisation of the Scottish NHS: TTIP and independence
link to thelancet.com
Anyone know how the vote was organised for those Scots serving in the army. Were they issued with postal votes?
Oops! Should have said earlier that the EDF announcement was made by Vincent de Rivaz, who is the CEO of EDF Energy.
Gordon Brown’s brother Andrew is the External Communications Director.
@DaveDee
Thanks for that. I agree, they have a list of whiz bangs and wheezes that we will be subject to in the next 2 days.
Ignore them vote YES.
Whiz bang: WWI shell that you only heard for a brief moment before it exploded.
Wheeze :clever or amusing scheme, idea, or trick
IT’S FALLING APART ALREADY (as commented on earlier)
Hope Stu can Highlight this in an article this evening as all the press read Wings. Lets make this tomorrows newspaper topic.
“Tory bloodbath’ over devolution The Daily Telegraph reports that Prime Minister David Cameron faces a Tory “bloodbath” over further devolution.
The article follows comments from Tory MP Christopher Chope on the BBC at the weekend in which he said there may be enough Tory MPs to block any additional powers going to the Scottish Parliament following a “No vote”.
These two ad are also in the anti-Scottish and ultra unionist Daily Record, the London owned Daily Record can barely hide its contempt, for those voting yes to independence.
Please spread this on facebook as far as you can….
Tory backbenchers vow to block ‘on the hoof’ promise to sustain higher Scottish funding
link to telegraph.co.uk
David Cameron faces Tory ‘bloodbath’ over ‘unfair’ cash for Scotland
@Midgehunter
Fishermen!
Right Now being repeated on BBC News 24
In Telegraph,regarding new powers and funding,
“It’s all happening on the hoof, in cliquey conversations on telephones in Downing Street. It isn’t happening, and there are a number of us who are incensed who will make sure it isn’t going to happen. But let’s see what the results are first.”
@Midgehunter
Steven McClean Fish Trader.
Re the ‘leaked document’ on NHS cuts post indy – Dr Eoin Clark, labour member, who is a No supporter – we should fight together etc – states quite categorically that the Scottish NHS will be affected by privatisation of the NHS in England.
He quotes the IFS.
He has refused to support a Dougie Alexander tweet stating the opposite.
All the MSM are running with this scare story big time – the EBC – Scottish branch, will run this on loop
link to yesscotland.net
@Helena Brown – the Herald paywall is only down so they can broadcast wall to wall propaganda over the next 2 days
Nice intervention from the Telegraph! Spread the word!
K1
Great link and a must read for challenging misapprehension amongst undecideds if we’re out and about.
Hmmmm that post about lawyers and the Scottish Polish community – is that really the best counter argument we can put together after all the lies told by BT?
How do we sign up to ("Tractor" - Ed) watch?
alistair
do you know how much extra cash has been promised?
none, in fact it will be a reduction.
o/t Much hilarity in my household at my attempts to catch the bt athletes delivering crap through my letterbox ,They must wear running spikes.
However I have a front hedge that I may resort to hiding behind.
As we are now in the final stretch to our final victory I thought I’d link to these wee songs and stuff. (hope I dinnae upset the moderation monster 😉 )
link to tinyurl.com
link to tinyurl.com
link to andyclarksezaye.bandcamp.com
link to newsbiscuit.com
Keep the faith folks. We are winning this and we WILL emerge victorious on the 19th! 😛
More from Dr Eoin Clark -In a speech to the Institute of Economic Affairs this week – Nov 2012 -, Tory MP Priti Patel called for Scotland to face billions of pounds of extra cuts.
The Tory MP framed her discussion as a re-calculation of the Barnet Formula, and argued that the Tories should use SNP/Labour calls for greater devolution for Scotland as a chance to change the economic settlement, or in other words cut Scottish funding.
In a speech to the Institute of Economic Affairs this week, Tory MP Priti Patel called for Scotland to face billions of pounds of extra cuts. The Tory MP framed her discussion as a re-calculation of the Barnet Formula, and argued that the Tories should use SNP/Labour calls for greater devolution for Scotland as a chance to change the economic settlement, or in other words cut Scottish funding.
Betfair, what is really happening (fromFT blog)
For a single novelty sportsbook market, the cost to the company of paying out early will be somewhere between negligible and nil.
It is, in short, a publicity stunt. And it’s a rather good one. Better, certainly, than parking an octopus in Oxford Circus during rush hour.
@frewblogger.
Ever since Gordon Brown came out with this out of a hat I knew it was a load of bull. They only did it coz they thought Brown was still popular up here in Scotland and the Tories and Liberals have been dragged along on the back of this. Even more remote is getting UKIP supporters to back this. The Westminster guys have an election and no way will they force this through. Its all bullshit.
@Macart
I had hopes of the Herald, though they have mostly just used releases from the BBC, Reuters, even Scotsman rather than do their own journalism and investigation. I hoped that Scotland would have just one paper that was decent rather than none, which is partly why I switched posting to the Herald once I accidentally got post-moderated.
They are the only paper that’s grown circulation this year, on the back of posters like me BTL, and support from pro-Indy readers and viewers because of the more neutral stance (still unionist biased though). Well, we’ll be gone, and some of the unionists who disappeared after the Sunday Herald came out for YES. I won’t be sticking around after Thursday! Their circulation will plummet. Which is a shame.
I may be a little love-bomb happy, but I think The Courier has three pages like this today. Dundee’s home paper doing us proud as always. 😀
Commenting on the Con/Dem government armed forces review Lord West gave warning.
Defence cuts imperil our proud nation”, warned Lord West. “Have we really decided that this great maritime nation of ours only needs 13 frigates”. “Has there been any realistic assumption of the requirement of the number of frigates – and I’m talking frigates not destroyers and other things – or is the number 13 purely based on an arbitrary cost figure? “In the final analysis, the defence of the nation is the top priority for any nation of whatever hue and I do believe we are standing into danger.”
And he has the audacity to criticize an Independent Scotland’s early proposals for defence. He is best ignored methinks.
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Anyone voting for Christopher Chope to be offered Honorary Citizenship of an independent Scotland?
just in from a friend of mine who lives in yorkshire.
“I was a union convener in a large factory and you could always count on the Scots to bolster your efforts against the common enemy, the management.
The three stooges have shown their hand, you have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Whatever they promised to give you as a goodwill token is nothing compared to what you will get if you stand your ground.
Westminster have everything to lose, as have the rich toffs of the square mile who now make decisions on everything i don’t want.
I am neither a proud Englishman, telling all and sundry what a “real shithole”, this once proud nation has become.
Our government sits back and steals from those who are least able to fight back, is this a democracy?………………..is it fuck!!!!
One thing is for certain, my head and my heart are with my northern friends, not those bastards who seek to hide the mortality statistics while pretending to represent me……………..”
I’d like to think that the people of Mexico, as they celebrate their Independence day, are thinking about us and raising a glass for Yes to an independent Scotland.
Re: Lord West
Surely the first priority of any government is to make a country worth defending……..
The artist taxi driver giving us his support.
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Oh dear. The more powers talk is already going off the rails at a lightning speed. This from the Guardian:
Brian Binley, the Conservative MP for Northampton South, has used a post on his blog to protest about the commitment from David Cameron, Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg (or quasi-commitment – quite what it means is not clear – see here) to protect the Barnett formula. Binely wrote:
I resent that parliament has been ignored and subordinated in this debate: not that long ago, changes in government policy were explained first to parliament. And to top it all we are now told that the three leaders have promised to maintain a charitable situation wherein each Scottish citizen is rewarded with £1300 per year more than their English counterpart for public expenditure, and that without a by your leave from parliament. On this and many other issues parliamentarians haven’t been able to question those making ever more elaborate announcements as party leaders and not as Ministers. Many residents of Northampton thought that they had voted Gordon Brown out of office four years ago, only to find him swanning around making promises left, right and centre apparently with the authority of a government minister.
Channel 5 news were filming in Stirling at lunchtime today and took a street referendum poll of passers buy where you voted and put slip in a box. They said the “poll” results would be on air at 5pm tonight on Channel 5.
Should be interesting – even if random and non scientific sample.
Any “VOW” from BamCam and the Tories on Future Powers for Scotland is seriously flawed AND is belied by the fact that, in 2010, all the Tory voters in England and Scotland supported their own Mandate on Boundary Change Legislation that gains 20 x new tory seats in England – but EXCLUDES every tory in Scotland from representation at WM.
After ABANDONING every tory voter in Scotland, BamCam is a signatory to a “VOW” that he knows he will ditch – BECAUSE – he has promised to enact this legislation if he wins the WM General Election in May next year.
In 2012 the ConDem Govt`s ” Boundary Change Legislation – COMPLETED ” Second Reading ” in the Commons.
Almost became LAW.
The UNELECTED House of Lords belatedly struck it down – AFTER THEY REALISED – this ” BANNING ” of all Scots tories from WM – would be detrimental to their position during the current Indy Ref results.?
Given their recent attempt to BAR Scots tories from the Commons – it is surely ridiculous for BamCam AND Clegg to “VOW” more to 400,000 Scots tory voters who have already voted to EXCLUDE THEMSELVES from the Commons where the Holyrood Budget has been CUT EVERY YEAR since 2009.
BamCam and Clegg are offering an ILLUSION to 400,000 Scots tory voters who Pretend to Defend the heart of the Union that they wanted to abandon only 4 years ago.
You couldnae make it up.
AND the MSM are conveniently struck down with AMNESIA – and refuse to question these anomalies.?
It is a shame Dads. The media had this moment, this campaign to shine and failed miserably as a collective.
On the upside though, people have learned a very valuable lesson about media and government. I don’t think its one we’ll soon forget either.
Here he is again Liz, you hero, my hero EVERYONE’S hero the one, the only it’s the ATD! 😛
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Ed in Edinburgh?
He looks a bit uncomfortable in a shopping centre being pursued by a few YES men. Well lots of yes men really 🙂
Weasel words from Gordo.
Do you thing we(labour I presume) would standby and watch the NHS in Scotland not to have the powers to save itself.
SNHS has already been devolved but still rely on the Barnett formula that’s the point.
Charlie K & Wullie R. back to back for the discredited Lib/dumbs, all too much for me on BBC live tv.
He says that the UK will be unrecognisable after the 18th.
That much is true. 😉
@alistair
“poll” results would be on air at 5pm tonight on Channel 5.
Would’nt hold your breath on the result, if it showed a majority Yes i’m sure they would just tell us the opposite.
Wullie Rennie on BBC NEws 24 talking pish ( He even crowbarred in extra child-care of course) about what the devolved Scottish Govt will be able to do in future.
Its slightly heartening to know that if it is NO, then he wont be in it!
@Back Douglas
I’m not holding breath but good laugh. I was telling every Yes person I could see to get along and vote. They had a table on the street bedecked in Union Flag bunting so everyone thought it was some No stall and giving it a body swerve !!
tell the establishment we have made our minds up and the answer is a resounding; Aye aye we’re all voting AYE.
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