Tough love
We can’t really avoid mentioning the big list of “celebrities” for No assembled today by the cuddly, fluffy, funded-by-Tory-donor-oil-tycoon-linked-to-genocidal-murderers “Let’s Stay Together” campaign to lovebomb Scottish voters, summed up perfectly by an alert reader on Twitter as “a veritable Who’s That? of the British establishment”.
One of the people we HAD heard of on the list was the, er, noted historian Dr David Starkey. Dr Starkey was keen to lend his name to the letter telling Scots that “we want to let you know how very much we value our bonds of citizenship with you”.
He didn’t always feel quite so warmly towards Scotland, though.
More recently, of course, the good Doctor also called the First Minister democratically elected twice by the people of Scotland a “Caledonian Hitler” who “sees the English everywhere, like the Jews”.
But he likes us now, which is the important thing.
Has he a book to promoote?
Fuck Starkey.
@Bugger
Watch it lad! Some people are coming down heavy on swear words on here (not sure why because loads of people swear in real life).
Have we found out who Conn Iggledun is yet?
Good call.
But who would he look down on if Scotland left? Foreigners are obviously inferior anyway, as BT keep telling us, so it just wouldn’t be the same 🙁
@nelliejean
Anybody outside the M25?
At least The Pope was misquoted.
Whats next, the shy retiring Leader of Welsh Parliament saying “They Scots deserve a better deal, so say all of us!”
Yeah, David Starkey.
No, I better not.
Its not past the watershed.
When Kelvin McKenzie comes on board that should swing it for NO.
“The infrastructure of Scotland exists solely on the handouts of the clever English generating wealth in London and the South East…”
Starkey hasn’t a clue about Scotland. All Starkey cares about is Starkey. Tenth-rate historian.
Amazing what some people will do for £25!
If that’s what he says out loud about Scotland I wonder what he really thinks?
From the Daily Mash. Says it all really.
SCOTLAND has welcomed a letter urging the country to reject independence, signed by a collection of fancy English celebrities.
The letter was signed by Dame Judy Dench, Helena Bonham Carter, Simon Callow and 200 other absolutely spiffing famous people who probably have really nice old houses, covered in ivy.
Bill McKay, from Bathgate, said: “I imagine Judy, Helena and Simon all got round a big farmhouse-style kitchen table in Hampstead.
“And Judy said ‘I’ll get Tracey Emin, Melvyn Bragg and Richard Dawkins’, and Helena was like, ‘I’ll get Emma Freud, Richard Curtis and Ben Fogle’ and Simon was like ‘I’ll get Cilla Black, Ray Winstone and Gloria Hunniford – you know, for the Glaswegians’.
“And then they wrote a lovely letter about how lovely everybody is and that we must come for tea, just like that poor bloke in Howard’s End who gets killed by the bookcase.
“Fuck off.”
But he should be able to place the quote from Cromwell Darling based his “Contemplate for one minute that you might be wrong,” thing from.
link to cyberussr.com has it in all it’s glory with a claim that it’s an answer from the English Army to the Scots Kirk.
I’m voting No because Mick Jagger is.
Starkey came to grief when he told David Dimbleby he earned too much. What he said about Scotland was fair game in Dimbleby’s eyes it seems.
As a historian,Dr Starkey might do well to actually understand the part played in the world by us poor feeble Scots,but then again maybe he was having a bad day driving on the road surfaces we invented,or,had inhaled some chloriform by accident,or maybe the antibiotics had’nt kicked in yet to cure an STI which had infected his brain
Ta-Da! Is the penny on the way down yet Dr Racist, i mean Starkey!
Sorry but wholly off topic but i just want to get this off my chest…
About this no swearing and being seen to be all saintly and as pure as the driven snow shite, i say its now too close to the referendum for all that crap now. We should be telling it like it is from here on in and not be intimidated into acting like the good christian anymore. The fact is anyone voting No (thats basically bigots, tories and the trash with cash aspiring middle class bampots that think because they have clawed their way up to living in a new build and being able to afford 2 holidays a year then everything is jst dandy in this here union brigade) are not going to change their minds now. Most people are now pretty much decided on their voting intentions and despite the much publicised and wholly inaccurate official polls, i think Yes are going to romp it so what does it matter now?
Is thon Starkey chiel not the Holocaust Denier or was enmeshed in a stushie about same (I could be wrong)?
Starkey and Sewell have both made it clear how they feel about us, and no wonder they feel the way the do. We’re not just Johnny Foreigner, we’re Johnny Foreigner that lay down and died at the Act of Union, and they’ve been walking all over us ever since, and their contempt has grown deeper and deeper. It’s racism actually. They couldn’t get away with saying those things about any other group of people.
Strarkey’s a poor wee man.
Lots of Sirs and Lords, but no Katie Hopkins so I’m not persuaded to vote no yet. But Ronnie Corbett, William Dalrymple; who is Betty Jackson?
It’s like a list of BBC c’lebs from Who Do You Think You Are, padded with nonentities you’ve never heard of before, or after.
Still thanks for the letter chaps, I’ve thought long and hard about it, a damn sight longer than you lot anyway, and guess what – I’m still a Yes.
@Rosa Alba Macdonald
I think you are thinking of David Irving, rather than David Starkey, Rosa.
And the self-congratulatory mode of STV on its debate goes on.
What were we like said the presenters? What was I like said Bernard Ponsonby?
Pure dead brilliant!
I honestly think we will never here the end of it.
Macart says:
Yeah, David Starkey.
No, I better not.
Its not past the watershed.
If I might be permitted to borrow a line or three from a *ahem* certain film here Macart. 😉
HOLD!
HOLD!
Awe f**k it … see you in the “Darkened Room” in five minutes! 😀
Awe dear, dear DOCTOR David Starkey. Here wait a minute I’ve got this pain in my side Doc, do you think you can have a look at it and see what is causing me all this pain? 😛
Misogynist, racist, disablist Rod Liddle who made a joke about not being able to smoke when visiting Auschwitz wants us to vote no.
ps
Here’s what Rod thinks of Scots –
Rod Liddle: Scots are alcoholics & druggies
link to liberalconspiracy.org
I had a look at the list and it isnt even 200 names, Neil Stuke appears twice (once under N and once under S). Also I cant find who Peter Reed is other than Pete Reed the rower, so this may be a duplicate. I didnt look that closely so there may be more “errors”.
It’s funny how certain well known historians (Starkey, Snow, Oliver etc) love talking about the past, but momentous, historic events unfolding in front of their eyes seem to unsettle them.
I would have thought that the Scottish referendum on September 2014 would be a fascinating event for any historian, but it seems that to some, it is way out of their comfort bubble and something they do not think should be happening at all.
Rather than enjoy watching an exciting, unpredictable history in the making, they would rather it was all under control, all wrapped up in cotton wool, or wrapped up in the union flag?
“Is thon Starkey chiel not the Holocaust Denier or was enmeshed in a stushie about same (I could be wrong)?”
No. Starkey is “the whites have become black” guy.
Congressman Brad Sherman again.
Congressman Sherman Speaks on the 20th Anniversary of Armenia’s Independence
link to youtube.com
“we should not be giving aid to those who blockade America’s friends.”
But he’s quite happy to give $4.5 billion a year to America’s friends who blockade Gaza.
Ah that Starkey who said….
My sense in politics is that successful women are at least as brutal and nasty as the successful men, and Margaret Thatcher’s an outstanding example.
If youre gonna put his mug up be sure of one thing..
Big supplies of Analgesic!
Dear All,
Why? You didn’t say.
Yours aye,
I remember another piece of literature like this,there was just one difference, people cared about this one:
link to en.wikipedia.org
The best thing is that, if Starkey was honest, he’d know that one of the main themes of the entire English colonial project at its outset was built on telling other people they had to adopt ‘English apparell and habittes’, which were inherently ‘civilised’ while the others were ‘barbarous’. No English dress, indeed!
I have read the list of celebrities who have signed the letter asking the Scots not to leave the UK.
Well my reply is this – thank you for signing the letter but unfortunately it makes no difference to what Scots people think
PLEASE MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS
And Ray Winston enjoys nothing better than lovebombing the “Tramps” from north of the border.
link to scotsman.com
To quote Sir Mick Jagger from the end of Brown Sugar….
“…I say YEAH YEAH YEAH WHOOO…..” Repeat ad infinitum
Another great reason for voting yes.
@Bugger [the Panda] says: 7 August, 2014 at 4:05 pm:
“Has he a book to promoote?”
Ah’m no gonna read it.
“Fuck Starkey.”
Dinna fancy him ava.
David Starkey is a mediocre waste of oxygen that’s a shameless media whore (and a nasty, spiteful ‘personality’ too). Just like almost everyone else on that list is a waste of oxygen too (minus the awful personality/psychological issues of Starkey).
Scotland are we ready for a new dark age in which we won’t have access to the broadcasting genius that is Ben Fogle?
Love the vibe of both the video and letter that indicated it is a choice that is ‘absolutely yours alone’ and then tries to subvert precisely that notion in a pathetically maladroit passive-aggressive manner.
Scots need to think long and hard over this historic letter before we vote to cut ourselves off from the endless talents of Bruce Forsyth.
And how can you possibly turn your back on the wonders of Kirstie Allsopp, Sarah Beeney, Rob Brydon, Gloria Hunniford, Cliff Richard, Alan Titchmarsh and a galaxy of similar stars?
How can Scottish cultural and intellectual life survive if such titans as Melvyn Bragg and David Starkey (along with June Sarpong) decide to ignore we ungrateful Scots?
Plus Eddie Izzard will be mildly upset if we vote Yes! for all of 5 pico-seconds. How can we Scots be so hurtful to such nice, caring, well-informed people that only have our welfare and best interests at heart?
Personally I’d love to be shot of all of the people on this idiotic letter. Ideally in my worst/best mood with the traditional Leninist method for dispatching such numpties – that’s joke btw – honest 😉
That will be Dan Snow, married to Lady Edwina Grosvenor, the second daughter of the 6th Duke of Westminster.
From Wikipedia:
“According to the “Sunday Times Rich List 2014,” the Duke of Westminster is worth £8.5 billion, placing him tenth in the list and making him the third richest British citizen after British-Indians David and Simon Reuben, and richest member of the peerage, with a wealth significantly greater than Queen Elizabeth.
He was educated at Harrow School and RMA Sandhurst. In 2005, he was elected Chancellor of the University of Chester.
Via Grosvenor Estates, the Duke is the richest property developer in the United Kingdom and one of the country’s largest landowners, with vast estates in Oxford, Cheshire and Scotland, as well as large areas of Mayfair and Belgravia in central London, and also elsewhere in Europe.”
Dan says, “What unites us is much greater than what divides us. Let’s stay together.”…
… ROFLMAO! Couldnae fucking make it up, etc.
Naw, Dan, let’s turn your lovely wee sentence around for the truth, shall we… ‘What divides us is much greater than what unites us. Let’s separate.”
He’s a horrid little man. Doc Starkey and Doc Schama seem to have one aim in life, wipe Scotland from the history books and how’s that worked out for them.
In a few weeks time, Scotland might be having a wee word with teamGB history.
David Starkey is so far up the Establishment’s a*** he can see Dan Snow’s legs!
Soda: “trash with cash aspiring middle class bampots that think because they have clawed their way up to living in a new build and being able to afford 2 holidays a year then everything is jst dandy in this here union brigade”
Umm… wow. Almost every unionist I know described so perfectly, yet so incredibly offensively.
Richard Madeley and Katie Hopkins told us what English celebs really think of Scotland on the Wright Stuff.
link to youtube.com
Dan says, “What unites us is much greater than what divides us. Let’s stay together.”…
Well he is right there I have to admit it. 😀
THEY start all the wars, including the ILLEGAL ones, and send OUR boys and girls in to do the dirty fighting stuff whilst THEY sit back and sing “Oh what a lovely war!”
We all know WHY they want us to stick with them. THEY need us to do THEIR fighting for them. If, sorry WHEN, we go they will have to do all their dirty fighting on their own. We can’t have that now, can we? 😉 😛
@JWil says:7 August, 2014 at 4:18 pm:
“When Kelvin McKenzie comes on board that should swing it for NO.”
“England Expects”, Old chap, “everyone to do their duty”.
What! What!
God save Her Majest and all that.
Does anyone know what a bond of citizenship is? Is that when someone will piss on you if you’re on fire?
Would be nice to see a heatmap of the residences of the signatories…how many outwith London ( or with London residences when actually based overseas in real life)?
I await Jimmy Nail, Allan Shearer, a handful of retired northern comedians, The Blackpool Revue girls and a Yorkshire Terriers paw print to give us a Northern please stay perspective
I’ve updated my list of the ‘Top 10 Most Annoying People’ from the Let’s Stay Together campaign. (I missed out Starkey first time round.)
1. Rod Liddle (nc)
2. David Aaronovitch (nc)
3. Nick Cohen (nc)
4. George Galloway (+1)
5. Richard Dawkins (-1)
6. David Starkey (new entry)
7. Alain de Botton (-1)
8. Howard Jacobson (-1)
9. Colonel Tim Collins (-1)
10. Frances Barber on twitter
Cilla Black drops out.
Pan’s People will perform this week’s new entry dressed up as the Black and White Minstrels.
Coming out in support for a NO vote can have it’s rewards, just ask John Barrowman and Tunnocks.
“You come out in support of the NO campaign and you’re in the opening ceremony of the Commonwealth Games.”
“Where’s do I sign.”
In fairness Robert I’m sure I have heard the (in)famous Kelvin MacKenzie say in the past that Scotland should go it alone. Of course he then does go on to have a rant about us being scroungers etc. 😀
Prefer Feargal Sharkey’s work….at least he had “A Good Heart”…..
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Re the sweary stuff, I recall the last time this was extensively discussed and Morag was taking big licks for denouncing it. I supported her and made the point that the best way to sway Don’t Knows was calm, polite, non aggressive setting out of the Yes case without ad hominem attacks.
Stuart’s response was,
“Very much THIS”.
I’ve never come across ‘Soda’ before (4:29 pm) who wants us to curse and swear as much as we like, but he or she sounds like a false flagger.
Politeness costs nothing.
I’ll get my coat now.
Starkey’s such an utter mental establishment type that you could almost like him. He’s like a caricature. He’s also deeply jealous of the Scots.
Viking Girl says: 7 August, 2014 at 4:32 pm:
“Strarkey’s a poor wee man.”
Here you! Less o the poor! An while wir at it, less o the man tae.
Oops! couple o threads back somone objected tae the use o wee – I suppose ye haed better forget it aa.
I could not believe Simon Sharma was on the list. He loves the UK so much that he upped sticks, went to America and is now an American citizen! I wonder if any of our beloved press will mention the irony of this.
@Lesley-Anne
I’ll be in there till after the watershed, then the gloves are off. 🙂
An obnoxious odious toad of a man 😡
Always has been and always will be!
He’s an odious little man, who throws out these type of comments looking to get a reaction.
macart763m says:
@Lesley-Anne
I’ll be in there till after the watershed, then the gloves are off. 🙂
Good for you! 😛
P.S. I’ve re stocked the mini bar after my last visit. 😀
@lesley-Anne
Cool. After the mince I’ve read in the meeja for the past couple of days I could do with a pint or two of toilet duck. If I read one more fawning article on Darling by the hypocrites that couldn’t wait to lynch his arse less than a handful of years ago, I’m going to become violently ill.
desimond says: “Would be nice to see a heatmap of the residences of the signatories…how many outwith London ( or with London residences when actually based overseas in real life”
Cliff Richard spend most of his time in Barbados.
What about Hutch? Is he a naw an’ a’?
It’s not Scotland they want to keep in the union, it’s what they see as the last of the British Empire that they want to keep together.
What ever happened to the “It is all for the Scottish People to decide” and then they spoil it by interfering. Can I join with others and say Shut up and leave us alone. After all we know exactly what you actually all think, you see we have the internet.
The only celeb who could persuade me would be if Christina Hendricks offered me the hot sexy time to vote no.
Even then I think I would just take the hot sexy time then vote yes anyway.
Say no to drugs might be appropriate to some of that mob.
Impressive disciple folks. That is us over 60 comments and nobody has gone off on one yet. What a dispicable bunch you are. 🙂
The list really blows to bits the dreary nonsense of “Better Together” and “our UK family”. A bunch of verified Scot haters, Tories and establishment figures from Planet London.
I’m working on going off on one Cameron, just give me time! 😛
@Helena Brown
Oh hell, they haven’t stuck to that promise from day one. Just this past week we’ve had HMG sending us their wee leaflet and taking out full page ads even in local titles. Then of course today we’ve got their lurve in letter and a bunch of American politicos who, without any prompting at all, have decided to stick their oar in.
I mean they really do think we’re that stupid and or in awe of celebrity.
Come to think about it Cameron I think Macart might be nearer going off on one than me going by his last post. Thankfully he is now ‘installed’ in the “Darkened Room” so he should begin to calm down now. 😀
Caledonian Hitler’s quite catchy, and that’s Hampton court palace this royal arse licker in chief’s looking very regal in.
I think it’s Prince Charles private palace but it’s always a shock to see how sharing citizenship with England means scrambling about on the royals private shire called the UK. The royals own so much of it all but it’s nice to visit. Windsor park is bigger than London almost, you canf get into Windsor but the cops outside are a good craque. Buckingham palace has the queens art collection that’s bigger than anything any public gallery owns. Wills and Kate got Kensington palace and spent a fortune renovating it with their benefits:D
One top tip if you’re a biker, the Deeside roads to and from Balmoral palace are smooth as glass, to protect the royal bums getting jiggled but they’re only there a couple of months a year or so, after that it’s a bikers treat.
Open for comments…
link to vogue.co.uk
Still no update on who Conn Iggledun is? I know he loves me and wants me to stay but he’s awfy coy otherwise..
Indeed Mac, they certainly haven’t and I remember David Cameron also said he would respect us, then he was really rude. I notice my namesake is on the list, I wish it to be known I was Helena well before she was, and I am Scots.
RE: the odd sweary word etc,
I am very much a Yes voter and have been all my adult life, i’m 42 btw and male. I have been on here infrequently for sometime and i can assure all or any one concerned i am most definitely not a false flagger.
I can converse in a polite and mature way and do not have to revert or resort to foul language to get my point across but i stick by my original comment, in essence, and very much hope i havnt caused to much offence by making my case. 🙂
Is he not with Hutch any more then?
Starkey is a dinosaur, now that’s historical… or is that histerical… there is a book for him in there somewhere.
Well, frankly I’m disappointed in some of these people. My favourite off the list, though, has to be Mike Batt. I now cannot shake off the mental image of a giant, No-voting womble.
I’m amazed my Slovene girlfriend’s not on that list of 200 Scotland botherers and where oh where is this berk http://www.adamtomkins.net
Training Day, Conn Iggledun is a writer of historical novels. I had one once, Something to do with Mongolia and the guy before Kublai Khan, Genghis, oops I nearly forgot his name, who could do that.
I would hang in if he likes you must be rolling in the moo-lay.
My mother always used to say , least said least forgiving.
Heedtracker I am glad you reminded me she is from Slovenia or I would have been turning up Slovakia in the next week or so looking for her.
“Wikipedia: Cilla Black is a strong supporter of the British Conservative Party and former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, stating in 1993 that she made Britain great again.”
Is Cilla Black the most unpleasant person in showbiz?
link to forums.digitalspy.co.uk
24 pages.
“Cilla Black on a Plane” starring Samuel L. Jackson.
link to pprune.org
@Helena
Ah, thanks. I’d assumed he was a Nobel Prize winner or some such. I’ll check the nearest remaindered bin and get to know more about him.
Uh oh Captain James T Kirk says vote no http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/scottish-independence-the-celebrities-who-is-for-and-against–and-the-scots-just-want-to-decide-for-themselves-9654773.html
I never liked Stewart’s Kirk anyway, Shatner was great though. She cannae tak much more of this Captain.
Totally OT @ Mr heedtracker
If you are a motorcycle biker type, and that is only a presumption, are you joining the Bikers for Independence ride to Edinburger on the 30th August?
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Training Day, Conn Iggulden writer born 1971 to an English Father and Irish Mother, so he will truly love you.Writes Historical Fiction so good to onboard, the English keep telling us our history is fiction aka that wee man Starkey and I am not ashamed to say he is a wee man I am only four feet ten inches myself.
1st Queen of England by the look of him..
Nana Smith
I don’t Facebook, but this would have been my comment.
Could the authors of this letter not have done a bit of research before penning their thoughts? Britain is not a country, it is a unitary state created by the parliaments of Scotland and England, centuries before Britain became a ‘democracy’.
More British nationalism from and for the ignorant.
Starkey is a sneering, sanctimonious, hypocritical little hyena. And his TV ‘history’ programs are dire. After 30 seconds, the sound of that voice makes your ears bleed.
He is also a dyed in the wool, right wing Britnat. The concept of Scotland as a nation & the right of its people to elect their own government simply doesn’t enter his thought process. Why? Because we are a “province” (his word) of Mother England.
I never knew that so many people, including these pseudo-celebs, “loved” us so much. If it’s a No result, do you think any of them will remotely care what happens to the Jocks in the future?
Soda
Flup off. 🙂
Think you’re getting a wee bit confused there heedtracker. Patrick Stewart’s character was Captain Piccard not Captain Kirk. 😉
Ben Fogle’s in there, last time he was here was tweeting about how he wasn’t going to be foreign in his own country. Fair enough I suppose. Must be hell for all those don’t want Scotland to be a foreign country types, when they actually leave England’s shores to go anywhere.
I fully agree with “bugger” in post #1
Starkey can go forth and fornicate….on his own !
What an objectionable little man.
Oh gawd! Not the camp Starkey?!
I prefer my camp theatrical, on stage, in a Restoration comedy, not in my academics.
Nobody but a stupid dog could like the guy. I have this revolting vision of him taking an animated powder puff of a toy dog to bed each night, a pocket rat to reassure him he’s a wonderful guy ten times a day.
Barf!
Oh no! I’ve just had a wee, erm what do you call it 😉 , thought! I’m sure after the last Question Time from Inverness the *ahem* chairman, a certain Dimblebum fellow, said they would be off the air until the week before the referendum, I think, when they would be back in Scotland. 😉
Now, seeing as the BBC is, as they themselves claim, neutral in the referendum debate I wonder how many *cough* panelists will be individuals from the famous 200! 😛
When you have to get a bunch of foreigners to tell us were to wee,stupid & poor then we really don’t deserve any respect, we deserve to be treated as thick, while grovelling about trying to survive on the scraps thrown from the big foreign table. The scraps we are fighting over is the remains of our dinner which these snobs have just stuffed themselves with. After which they retire to the “drawing room” to divi. Up our money for their own private use.
These people are PARASITES living off the efforts of other people and they believe they are entitled to this because they are superior beings, and we are just the brainless peasants. Unfortunately if we vote no then we have proved beyond any doubt that they are totally correct and We deserve to be treated like their village idiots.
Proud Scot, if it is a no I will be contacting the Irish embassy to become a citizen of the republic which I am entitled to be and obtain a Erin passport. I will let the loyal peasants lick the boots of their foreign masters and be used and abused as their wealthy masters dictate.
Is that the same Cilla Black that threatened to leave the yookay if Tory Bliar and his new labour party got in..then she remembered they were really tories after all so its best to stay after all! So i guess its ‘tara chuck tara’ from us when Scotland votes yes.
Just watched FMQ. Alex Salmond was brilliant and the script becomes ever clearer.
It’s our pound and we’re keeping it, the alternatives are on page 110 of the White Paper,it is in Scotland’s interest and England’s interest to keep it and they can’t stop us using it anyway.
That line is already insinuating it’s way into the minds of interested and informed people and will win out.
Better Together has stepped into the trap they made for YES.
Something strange has happened since the beginning of this week. We’ve never had so many people in looking for badges and stickers and signing the declaration. And we have never had so many women that we never met before in offering help.
First impressions are not necessarily the most telling.
I guess when something you love to hate gets taken away from your direct control …
Starkey?
Anyone stupid enough to buy a Gran Torino doesn’t have the brains to advise others.
Dave McEwan Hill
It thought the FM’s response was at its best when he talked about Osborne justifying transactions costs to rUK business people and increased debt burden/interest/tax to rUK voters.
I wish he would stop the line “sovereign will of the people of Scotland”. I totally get what he is on about, but the language is a bit OTT and clumsy. Needs to just keep it simple and plain.
Don’t you just love it Dave when a plan comes together, or in this case falls apart! I’ll bet there certain people in BTHQ running around like headless chickens scratching their heads trying to figure out why the YES camp are avoiding the traps so diligently set by UKOKers and UKOKers keep stepping in them instead. 😛
If you put together a list to make the Scots consider independence,this is it,cheers stay bt no thanks!
David Starkey is a spoilt brat who has grown old, wrinkly and boring without actually growing up. Like all spoilt brats, he’s best ignored.
Just got a change. Org asking me to sign it for Let’s stay together. 12,000 odd had signed it so I take it this is a concerted effort.
Sighs – another unsubscribe…
Soda
I believe in the next few weeks you may see a move towards leaving the ropes and being more adventurous in attack. It is also my opinion for what it is worth that the real heavy knock out blows have yet to be delivered.
Training day:
Conn Iggulden is a london born author, of historical-fiction. I read is Ghengis series and Rome series. pretty good, especially the ghengis one (hero of mine).
@ Colin facebook.com/groups/350976548389489/351437011676776/?notif_t=group_comment_reply I do but not in Scotland right now but thanks for info and I’ll share it around Facebook etc. looks great!
Starkeys remarks are bad enough, but if you go back in time, there is worse: there was an author called TWH Crosland who wrote “The Unspeakable Scot” Well worth a read and wholly available online (pdf, txt etc):
link to archive.org
I suspect that Crosland wasnt alone in what he thought.
…and yet I’ve spent two days in work hearing tea break conversation from other tables regarding how poor salmond was and how they are voting no due to him not answering questions.
To be honest I think it would need someone from eastenders or whatever “reality” show is currently on to come out in favour of Indy in order for the handful of folk I am talking about to change to yes. I despair
Greetings from Raleigh, North Carolina.
This is completely off topic but, having seen the news about H. Res. 713 in the US House of Representatives, sticking its nose in the internal affairs of another country, I felt moved to write to my local Congressman asking him to find a way to oppose it. He is a constitutional lawyer and former law professor at a prestigious university, so I hope he will have the good sense to say something about it. I’ll post when I get a response.
@ Helena Brown, here she is! link to id.theguardian.com
She’s been really busy but it’s nice to have a hobby over there Slovene or Slovakia or even a Glesga uni law dept study:D
That must be the biggest, most ridiculous sham in the short bonkers history of BetterTogether No Thanks Slovenia branch. I just wish someone at the Graun would squeeze her to write a whole long hard vote NO CIF in her native tongue, which could keep the shill busy of an evening.
Methinks Mr Starkey doth talk in deceitful manner.
If they don’t make a big deal about Wullie Shakespeare then, apart from your choice of holy book, why are you given the complete works of Shakespeare when the BBC banish you to a remote Pacific Island.
Thank you skip nc
@CameronB
Suck my lozenge you barstool! 😀
@Jon
I hope so mate 🙂
Hold onto your chairs folks.
I’ve just heard that Glenn Campbell personage say on (dis)Reporting Scotland that Red Ed Milliband is joining the campaign in Scotland, AGAIN … YAWN ;)tomorrow . Whoop de Whoop! 😀 Now I wonder what words of (non)wisdom he will have for us then. 😛
I wonder if he and his bested mates David Cameron, George Osborne, Nick Clegg, Danny Alexander and Ed Balls have all managed to add their names to the list of the (in)famous 200 yet? 😉
Yeah, cheers skip nc
Starkey? Didn’t he and his sister run the local shop in The League of Gentlemen?
So this is my Brucie Bonus? Nice to see you, to see you nice, nice to see your arse on the way out.
T’other thing is we have got to give up playing rugby. It really, really affects the brain.
So I take it they don’t think the pile of stones at Gretna is going to cut it so they’re sending “lurve” letters now. Shows how bad their education system is when they need 200 of them to write it!
The most amazing thing for me is just how out of touch these people are with what’s going on in Scotland.They see Scotland remotely from a TV report and think they can help.Just what they think or hope to achieve is anyone’s guess!But English people living in England or abroad expect us to change our vote because they might lose some grouse shooting.We have had 300 years of remote control and that’s the point they miss.This is not about them or the UK this is our time not theirs and they can’t stand that.We are winning this everyday the campaign goes on.The small meetings out with the msm are converting 2 to 300 people a day.With 6 weeks to go the movement is to Yes.
Dave McEwan Hill said: We’ve never had so many people in looking for badges and stickers
Dont know if its a case of confirmation bias, but I reckon I’ve seen a lot more over the past week as well. Mind you, driving up Loch Lomond side the other day, there was one of those ghastly “Proud to be Scots, Delighted to be United” posters on the LHS
link to proudtobescots.co.uk
Interesting domain name that BTW. Owned by some Perthshire toff if you do a whois lookup.
Also on that web page there is a bank account sort code Its 83-91-35 Adams and Co, Edinburgh who boast:
“We provide banking and investment management services to private high net worth clients”
Yep, just another ordinary grass roots campaign eh? Just another group in touch with the “common five-eight”
Helena Brown says: 7 August, 2014 at 5:48 pm:
“I am only four feet ten inches myself”
Guid gear cams in sma bulk, Hen. Dinna fash!
jon esquierdo
I think you are right. It has been a long campaign, but the best bits are yet to come. What have No got? They can bang on about the currency – I think that will be nailed finally quite soon. After that what is there? Platitudes like “Best of both worlds”. What does that actually mean? More letters from more celebs? Apart from the old project fear tactics, which have been systematically debunked, I really don’t think they have any ammunition.
Dan Snow has been on channel 5 news saying how they love us and want us to stay.
My hubby is home and the air is now blue!
Has Plan B signed it ?
I know it is not his style but I’d love to hear Alex Salmond say, JUST ONCE 😛 , to Darling … “for goodness sake tak the spuds oot o yer lugs and LISTEN! We will be using the POUND! That’s P O U N D … spells POUND! Now can we get onto some REAL debating now please?” 😛
I’ve just heard that Glenn Campbell personage
I notice there has been quite a few complaints today about insults on JaBa but is it ok to call Glen Campbell a baldy bastirt ?
Nice work Rev.
You couldn’t make this stuff up.
It’s probably been said already but they can all fuck off.
Have a look at what they really think:
link to youtube.com
Whose calling him a baldy bastirt Croomp? 😉 Not me I’m just saying he is a person type of person. 😛
Croompenstein says:
I’ve just heard that Glenn Campbell personage
I notice there has been quite a few complaints today about insults on JaBa but is it ok to call Glen Campbell a baldy bastirt ?
–
Only if you say..”And JaBa still couldn’t pull him.”
Thereb does seem to be an air of desperation in the media. It’s lie they are trying desperately to apply “media Pressure” ie you repeat that pressure is growing, there is growing anxiety in the party, there is a need for Salmond to declare a plan B” all pretty much that same currency thing that has been said since day 1 by a mainstream journalism that really pretty much knows the answer. They are trying to see if the Yes campaign cracks and there’s not really much else they have. If the public get scunnered with them banging on they are forced to go onto territory they are unsure of. The public never seem to ask the obvious, what exactly have we got for our three hundred years of partnership? Apart from a bankrupt, corrupt system of patronage and grace and favour that bankrolls the entire No campaign. We could have had that 300 years ago. That BT increasingly look like the “haves” and the English Aristocracy (I refuse to call it anything else) fronted by somebody from Labour shows how perverse the whole thing is. There is no democracy in a campaign run and financed from another country and Scots people aren’t so daft as not to notice. It is Labour’s shame that it has had to front it but that is the price of ermine. The more this drips into the consciousness the more likely it is we are going to win.
Starkey is a man with issues. A homosexual quaker and english nationalist. Lovely. And he hates Scotland because we stop his beloved england being an perfect island nation with no filthy borders to worry about.
Did the fragrant Hilary Mantel sign the letter? Her award winning books are littered with references to england being an island. And from the mouths of French ambassadors too! Not very likely at the time of the Auld alliance.
Vote yes to exist as Scots or no for extermination. Simple choice.
Soda
We have to keep the heid buddy. By voicing our thoughts without the sweary words we get the point over much better.
Saying that it’s hardly a surprise you feel angry as we all do. \the difference is we are winning and we can be more sympathetic to the desperation of the NT campaigners as they have nothing to say but growling pish which most of us are immune to by now.
keep the heid and on the 19th watch how many go out their way to tell you “course i voted YES” – They know that you know the truth and that on it’s own will more than ease your furrowed brow.
If we lose and the cuts start a destruction of Scotland you have my permission to remind them it’s all their fault the ("Tractor" - Ed)s that they are.
By the way most of that list have never been to Scotland and more than likely live abroad (for tax reasons)
”
Starkey is a smelly old man”.
There got that off my chest.
The only way folk will look down on Scotland is if we vote No. Then we will be everything he describes.
Another two undecideds now Yes voters. A Yes badge is a wonderful icebreaker.
Get those Yes badges on, folks. 🙂
What happens after this is over? The tories are clearly unelectable but what about labour. Unless there is a serious clear out and I don’t know who they could replace them with that would restore any faith in that party then I see no way back for them either.
Just heard on the radio that a “punter” in England has placed a£600,000 bet on NO! Nothing to do with odds on YeS shortening in the last week then? W.T.F.
To quote Billy Connolly, “Scotland will get what it deserves whichever way it votes”.
Very telling for the no supporters because the austerity that will follow a no vote, the privatisation of the NHS in Scotland, more food banks, homelessness, unemployment, more child poverty. You will all have voted for this and reap what you sow.
@YESGUY
I must remember never to upset you. 😀
@ Cag-does-thinking. Well said. This current unionist media hysteria over the recent debate is yet another attempt to get at AS. It never ceases to amaze me that the unionist media, especially the London-based part, really believe that Alec Salmond IS the Yes campaign and if they can somehow “break” Salmond they will “break” the Yes campaign. We all know the opposite is the case. The people of Scotland ARE the Yes campaign, and they are unbreakable.
Dear Scotland , please stay , if you leave and we refuse a currency union, we will be saddled with well over a trillion in debt , with no oil , whisky exports , huge fishing grounds , limitless energy or water. We love you… it will be different this time… honest.
Hutch lives in England.
link to en.wikipedia.org
One man takes on Bitter Together:
link to youtube.com
Dan Huil says:
Dan, that is because they think that “playing the man” and try and break Salmond’s resolve will do it for them.
They have two problems, 1, they will not break Salmond, and 2, the movement is much bigger than the can accept.
Salmond is a problem for them, but then again so is the whole of the YES movement, they are struggling to cope.
@BigRik
Aye, and if we didn’t have all that it would be a case of, “Here’s your coat, the exit is that way”.
Labour trying the divide tactic…
link to telegraph.co.uk
Libb Carrell strikes again
link to theguardian.com
If it is actually true that a £600,000 bet was placed and accepted on No, it means YES is a shoe in.
@Bugger (the Panda)
Maybe they put the decimal point in the wrong place?
It was probably Danny alexander that placed the bet, we all know he is not great with figures unless he is manipulating them.
O/T Today I sent an e-mail to David Clegg the political editor of the Daily Record and asked him to name one of the senior SNP politicians who stabbed Alex Salmond in the back Reply- No not without betraying basic journalistic ethics.
From the answer I believe that the headlines were fabricated lies as were the associated pages. Hang your head in shame.
Croompenstein says:”Is it ok to call Glenn Campbell a baldy bastirt?”
Yes!
It’s (not for me anyway) about f’n swearing it’s about using personal insults particularly relating to body image to attack people when their words and actions are perfectly good reasons to be ridiculing them. It lessens your argument.
Is “Alex Salmond’s fat” A good argument for voting no or a useful contribution to anything? All it does is make you disregard the opinion of whoever said it. and it works just the same for the other way.
No matter how it’s intended it comes across as misogynist bull or macho posturing depending on the target.
And Soda if “Most people are now pretty much decided on their voting intentions “Then what is the point in discussing anything at all , stu might as well shut up shop and go on holiday. Every voter counts
If I want to direct an undecided woman to a pertinent article on here and the first comment they see is going to be about Jackie Baillie’s weight rather than the nonsense that’s come out of her mouth… or “fuck starkey” (actually I’ve changed my mind about the swearing since the first line) oh work it out, it’s not rocket science.
@Lesley-Anne –
Aw shucks Lesley-Anne I wasn’t implying you had said Glenn Campbell was a baldy bastirt I was just wondering if it was ok to say Glenn Campbell is a baldy bastirt. just wondering what the consensus was and if it was ok to call Glenn Campbell a baldy bastirt if the consensus is that it’s ok then I will say that Glenn Campbell is a baldy bastirt if however the consensus is that it’s not ok then I will refrain from calling said Glenn Campbell a baldy bastirt..
Phew..
These people will say or do anything in their effort to maintain Scotland’ as a resource base for exploitation by London. Despicable as this man is, through the disgusting comment about the first minister, he has, I feel ‘projected’ his own deeply prejudiced views, which tells the real story. We have had historians like this throughout history, they are more akin to ‘spin doctors of past events’.
@Nana Smith
Another piece of a bullshit non story from the labour party as there is no way Nicola Sturgeon would have said anything different regarding currency than Alex salmond.
Nearly 800,000 people have signed the YES declaration so this love in has some way to go yet!
Also these are real people,not so called celebs and these are the ones who matter.
Having a great positive week on the ‘English Scots for YES’ stall at marchmont,no one cares about currency union only Scottish Independence.We are winning this!
nelliejean says
“But who would he look down on if Scotland left? ”
What?
like this you mean?
link to youtube.com
The TV debate was sooo important. Most ‘working class scum’, cheers Rab, like myself only discuss TV and football at tea breaks.
Folk that aren’t interested in politics are now discussing the referendum in workplaces. If my workplace is anything to go by, no wonder No are shiteing themselves.
Today has been a good day.
@Jim
This is slab johann trying to cause trouble. Bullshit is all they have left.
@ Soda
I’ve seen many posts from Cameron since I first discovered this site, and I’ve been aware of you as from today.
On the whole, I think I prefer Cameron’s attitude.
So from Doc Starkey’s “Caledonian Hitler” who “sees the English everywhere, like the Jews” through to
link to theguardian.com
and
“To win the debate, Salmond had to win over Darling. But he didn’t even try. Far from reassuring Darling that he was open to all kinds of ideas about currency, for example, Salmond stuck to impersonating a chicken and clucked La Marseillais in front of a fake neutral audience bussed in from England to boo, heckle and shout insults and all got 25 quid each for their day out from the loony bin”
Guess which bit I added, its hard to eh? What a UKOk freak show’s on display now.
Juteman, totally agree. The whole world will piss themselves laughing at us if we vote no.
Jim Sillars says that the SNP are not the leaders of the yes campaign. Would there be a yes campaign without the SNP negotiating the referendum Mr Sillars?
Starkey is the living proof that too many people are going to university. This twerp is the BBC’s comic relief in residence, wheeled out on programmes like Question Time for the specific purpose of winding people up. God knows he has no other function; if I want to know about history, Wikipedia is likely to have more insight. He should be driving around in a little feckin’ clown car with his knees up under his chin.
@Nana Smith
Divide and conquer, Nana, divide and conquer!
Didn’t stairheid ask Nicola, “What’s your plan B on Currency”, and got exactly the same answer Salmond gave to Darling.
To those who don’t like swearing on here thank your lucky stars that Steven Seagull isn’t around to comment on Sillars latest intervention!
@ Jim, who cares now who started what.
Come on everyone, lets stick together and back everyone and everything that will ensure we all get our country back from this whole giant BetterogetherBBC fraud.
Hey folks, this isn’t the first time we have chatted with Soda, who is effeminately one of us. There are crossed wires, perhaps, as well as a difference in opinion.
Starting to wonder if Salmond’s performance in the debate was a deliberate ploy to get the No campaign to focus all their attack on one issue (i.e. currency)
I think now we have the undecided’s in a position where they think the only reason for voting No is because the currency answer is not there. Euro membership, borders and all other nonsense is now no longer in people’s thoughts
If Yes can break the currency issue in the debate at the end of the month does that kill the No campaign credibility?
If my analysis is correct isn’t amazing that we are only 1 question away from winning? Who would have though that a year ago?
They just don’t get what this is all about. They don’t understand Scotland at all.
As for all this ‘you’re my best friend drivel’ I aint forced any of my mates to keep a ton of cemtex in their front room. I don’t rip them off then tell them they’re scroungers. And I don’t tell them what to do.
Anyone who willingly associates with Better Together (f who let’s not forget accuse Yes campaigners of being uneducated nazi racist anti English…. etc) are no friends of mine.
If they loved us they would see how much of a struggle the Scottish people are going through and give us a bit of support against the UK state and it’s organs of the press. Some do – ordinary folk and household names. They are friends of Scotland.
Starkey et all are irrelevant, excepting that their intervention can only push more to Yes. In that sense alone, it is welcome.
Starkey – surely his intervention is a wind up? Or his hatred of Scotland is so great that he will revel in our defeat more than he wants to be shot of us? Or can he not bear that it is we who are leaving to forge a new society. It is our choice to leave?
My message to the celebrities in England.Please go and take your class system,plummy accents,Trident missiles,bedroom tax,John Bull,Hessian checked jackets in mustard yellow with non matching bright red breeks, overcrowded overpriced polluted capital,gutter press,Union Jack cool Britannia Jack Wills pish,BBC England,bad debt,dead empire,Royal family tax dodgers.However we will take your Billy Bragg and make him the foreign office minister for England cause we know you would love that.
Jim says:
7 August, 2014 at 7:16 pm
To quote Billy Connolly, “Scotland will get what it deserves whichever way it votes”.
If any of these 200 celebs (allegedly) had any political conscience at all, we would have heard from them long ago about their objections to the welfare cap, bedroom tax, austerity cuts, NHS privatisation, trident, Westminster corruption etc.
But no. They all come together spontaneously on the issue of Scottish Independence, with no reference to the issues that matter to Scots.
Yes, Scotland Should Be An Independent Country, and they should a’ bile their heeds in a pan o’ shite.
John Hamill says
” just like that poor bloke in Howard’s End who gets killed by the bookcase.”
Aa nivvier saw that wan,
ah’ve ayeways fancied Jan Harvey,
whit happened?
is that the wan where the boatyaird went oan fire?
sounds exciting!
Oh wait?
Celebrities love being associated with other celebrities.
The greater the status the greater the love-in. I am more famous because I am in the company of famous people.
You can equate it to parking your expensive car in a far off bay in the Tesco car park to avoid dings and dents, only to discover on returning from shopping that a crappy van is on one side and a heap or rust parked on the other, each driver thinking their car’s status will benefit by close association.
Thanks for that Croomp, I was a wee bit worried for a second you were suggesting that … awe shucks never mind just glad we’ve got it resolved, whatever it was that needed resolving. 😀
Starkey and Sewell , reminds me of Stadtler and Waldorf.. only nastier , trying to get us to stay by reminding us of these clowns is a stroke of genius. Don’t worry though.. there are plenty of other nationalities they can look down their noses at ,in a year or two they will be pouring their bile on all Europeans.
I think Nana that the headline says everything you need to know.
Labour claims Nicola Sturgeon is behind Salmond attacks
Johann Lamont, the Scottish Labour leader, names the Deputy First Minister as the source of briefings against Mr Salmond but Ms Sturgeon says the mood in the SNP has never been better.
So without reading another word in the article we are all made fully aware of who is the TRUE back stabber … it is, as we all well know, NOT Nicola Sturgeon but it is … none other than the rabbit bolt hole dweller herself … Johann Lamont! 😛
David Aaronovitch
Jenny Agutter
Sir Ben Ainslie
Kriss Akabusi
Roger Allam
Kirstie Allsop
Alexander Armstrong
Sir David Attenborough
Steve Backley
Baroness Joan Bakewell
Frances Barber
Andy Barrow
John Barrowman
Mike Batt
Glen Baxter
Stanely Baxter
Martin Bayfield
Mary Beard
Sarah Beeny
Anthony Beevor
Angelica Bell
Dickie Bird
Cilla Black
Graeme Black
Roger Black
Malorie Blackman
Ranjit Bolt
Helena Bonham-Carter
Alain de Botton
William Boyd
Tracey Brabin
Lord Melvyn Bragg
Jo Brand
Gyles Brandreth
Rob Brydon
Louisa Buck
Simon Callow
Will Carling
Guy Chambers
Nick Cohen
Michelle Collins
Colonel Tim Collins
Olivia Colman
Charlie Condou
Susannah Constantine
Steve Coogan
Dominic Cooper
Ronnie Corbett
Simon Cowell
Jason Cowley
Sara Cox
Amanda Craig
Steve Cram
Richard Curtis
Paul Cartledge
Tom Daley
William Dalrymple
Richard Dawkins
Dame Judi Dench
Jeremy Deller
Lord Michael Dobbs
Jimmy Doherty
Michael Douglas
Simon Easterby
Gareth Edwards
Jonathan Edwards
Tracey Emin
Sebastian Faulks
Bryan Ferry
Ranulph Fiennes
Ben Fogle
Amanda Foreman
Sir Bruce Forsyth
Neil Fox
Emma Freud
Bernard Gallacher
Kirsty Gallacher
George Galloway
Sir John Eliot Gardiner
Bamber Gascoigne
David Gilmour
Harvey Goldsmith
David Goodhart
Lachlan Goudie
David Gower
AC Grayling
Will Greenwood
Baroness Tanni Grey-Thompson
Lord Charles Guthrie
Haydn Gwynne
Tamsin Greig
Maggi Hambling
Sir Max Hastings
Stephen Hawking
Peter Hennessy
James Holland
Tom Holland
Tom Hollander
Gloria Hunniford
Conn Iggledun
John Illsley
Brendan Ingle
Eddie Izzard
Betty Jackson
Sir Mike Jackson
Howard Jacobson
Sir Mick Jagger
Baroness PD James
Griff Rhys Jones
Terry Jones
Christopher Kane
Sir Anish Kapoor
Ross Kemp
Paul Kenny
Jemima Khan
India Knight
Baroness Doreen Lawrence
Tory Lawrence
Kathy Lette
Rod Liddle
Louise Linton
John Lloyd (journalist)
John Lloyd (producer)
Lord Andrew Lloyd Webber
Gabby Logan
Kenny Logan
Sarah Lucas
Dame Vera Lynn
James May
Margaret MacMillan
Stephen Mangan
Davina McCall
Sir Ian McGeechan
Heather McGregor
Andy McNab
John Michie
David Mitchell
Lord John Monks
Lewis Moody
Michael Morpurgo
David Morrissey
Philip Mould
Al Murray.
Neil Stuke
Sir Paul Nurse
Andy Nyman
Peter Oborne
Sir Michael Parkinson
Fiona Phillips
Andy Puddicombe
Lord David Puttnam
Anita Rani
Esther Rantzen
Sir Steve Redgrave
Derek Redmond
Pete Reed
Lord Martin Rees
Peter Reid
Baroness Ruth Rendell
Sir Cliff Richard
Hugo Rifkind
Sir Tony Robinson
David Rowntree
Ian Rush
Greg Rutherford
CJ Sansom
June Sarpong
Simon Schama
John Sessions
Sandie Shaw
Helen Skelton
Sir Tim Smit
Dan Snow
Peter Snow
Phil Spencer
David Starkey
Sir Patrick Stewart
Lord Jock Stirrup
Neil Stuke
Sting
Tallia Storm
David Suchet
Graeme Swann
Sir Alan Sugar
Stella Tennant
Daley Thompson
Alan Titchmarsh
James Timpson
Kevin Toolis
Lynne Truss
Gavin Turk
Roger Uttley
David Walliams
Zoe Wanamaker
Robert Webb
Richard Wentworth
Sir Alan West
Dominic West
Kevin Whateley
Bob Wilson
Richard Wilson
Barbara Windsor
Lord Robert Winston
Ray Winstone
Sir Nicholas Winton
Michael Wood
Trinny Woodall
Sir Clive Woodward
Jonathan Yeo
Robyn Young
debbiethebruce
Nearly 800,000 people have signed the YES declaration so this love in has some way to go yet!
800,000 I think is an old figure released a couple of months ago – would love to see it top the million. Am sure we are due an update soon!
Great to hear your team are doing well – as I told you, they play an absolutely vital role.
Nice you could make it to the Newsroom – will be another one soon I hope x
@gman – No Plan B then 🙂
… each time I get a response but never an answer …
Sorry folks but have I just gone through a time warp or something here?
In case folks don’t know yet, that was a quote from Johann Lamont 8 minutes 41 seconds into today’s F.M.Q.’s here.
link to tinyurl.com
Now I know, as I am the village idiot on this site, that I am one of the more thicker individuals 😛 around but surely if she gets a ‘response’ from the First Minister then that surely is an ‘answer’, is it not? 😉
I am seriously confused now, even more so than usual. 😛 If Lamont is saying a response is NOT answer then perhaps she, as a former English teacher, apparently 😉 , should stand up and explain to one and all what exactly a response is and WHY a response is not an answer. 😀
@gman – Mmwaa mmwaa, or what ever the spelling is for air-kisses.
gman
Can someone from Yes send them a document in reply – just a simple list of all the 800,000+ names who have signed the pledge.
.
They are the people who have a vote and are fighting for this. 200 celebs? 12000 names? Not quite in the same league.
Starkey is an odious little character, as has been witnessed several times on Question Time.
Tam Jardine says:
7 August, 2014 at 8:11 pm
It had over 870,000 signatures about a month ago.
Unlike the BT attempt that is actual voters in SCOTLAND.
I got as far as Sir Mick Jagger and just thought, “that is do completely wrong on every possible level.” Sympathy for the Devil eh?
gman is that the next list of candidates for Celebrity Big Brother??
Looks like Dave’s Christmas card list!
Well done gman , it’s a veritable Who Cares of the establishment , i see Robert Winston is on the list , who kindly suggested we should all pay £200 to see our GP … A vote winner if ever i saw one 😀
Clootie
Magic. Need a new FB campaign to get everyone signed up and push it over the million before the vote.
Hopefully Yes can take it forward- plenty Yessers not signed up.
Now that they have no power over us and that we will be their equals for fifteen hours on the 18th of September, now they respect us.
What are these people like.
Lets make sure we don’t balls this up, they won’t give us a second chance.
do = so
oops
@Clootie
Is there a webpage with a running total ? I seem to recall AS saying when it reaches 1 million he’ll know we will win.
I can’t be bothered with celebrity culture, so can’t say how many of these individuals work with or for the BBC. Now, where’s that tinfoil? 🙂
That list is as good a reason as any to say YES. Those down south trying to impose their will on us again. Isn’t it enough to be having it from the UK government and its pseudo Scots.
Preferred this advice from a much troubled English genius –
If your in a rut you’ve gotta get out of it, out of it, out of it ! Malcolm Owen – The Ruts circa 1979
Aaahh the formative years!
Bryan Ferry is also in there… do you think if 200 of us wrote and asked him to stop backing fox hunting , he would listen?
Preferred this advice from a much troubled English genius –
If your in a rut you’ve gotta get out of it, out of it, out of it ! Malcolm Owen – The Ruts circa 1979
Aaahh the formative years!
link to youtube.com
Starkey and Schama are both odious UK historians with an absolute contempt for Scotland.
Completely ridiculous that they are on this list. They were also some of the first to support Rory the Tory’s Patio at Gretna.
Nothing about caring for Scotland and it people – all about maintaining the delusion of the British Empire.
Or one of Flipper’s favourites.. Money.. grab that cash with both hands and make a stash 🙂
Mcart says
”
Yeah, David Starkey.
No, I better not.
Its not past the watershed.”
How dis anywan get thier shed tae haud waatter?
If I tried tae fill my shed wi waatter it wid jist pish richt oot again,
some days Aa jist feel to wee too poor and too stupit! 🙁
Mind you if a kid fill ma shed wi watter ah’d pit that get Sarkey in it an droon him.
DinNL SAYS
” I didnt look that closely so there may be more “errors”.”
I didnt look that closely so there may be more rowers.
there,
fixed that for you.
link to newsnetscotland.com
I’m surprised Kelvin Mackenzie isn’t on the love bomb list, as he really really loves all things Scottish. Or even Ray Winston who affectionately refers to Scots in London as tramps, what a nice man Ray is.
Mick Jagger – Street Fighting man with a knighthood.
Any word on how the big canvass went?
I guess the ones that haven’t got ‘titles’ are hoping to get one soon.
Is Baroness Deech on that list, anyone got a copy and tell me please?
I haven’t quite finished with her after QT from Solihull or Nuneaton, when the whole panel started dissing Scotland and the Scots whilst the crowd roared them on.
Deech, said one of her grannies was Scottish, so she felt perfectly justified in talking our wee pretendy Parliament in the most arragant dismissive fashion possible. I think Starkey or Scharma was also in on it. A real Scot bile hate fest.
There was a guy there from the Quillam Foundation who was completely out of her depth. I wrote to him a said what he had been right in the middle of, was a perfect example of the structural racism inherent in English culture. It is forbidden to direct that on Muslims (he), Jews (Scharma and Deech) or Irish, so it is displaced onto Scots, who don’t count higher than dogs. He never replied but I alerted Lallands peat Worrier and he got stuck in and if became the start of the anti QT outrage.
When we vote YES we will be subject to dog’s abuse until we fuck off and their economy goes down the grubber. Then they will start to give us the respect they have owed us for centuries. Time for payback.
Revenge is a dish best tasted cold.
I don’t suppose many people read our greatest philosopher David Hume these days. But this wee essay about the First Principles of Government (1768 or therabouts) is worth a look. Hume strips it to its basics – which many many yes campaigners will recognise: link to constitution.org
“When men act in a faction, they are apt, without shame or remorse, to neglect all the ties of honour and morality, in order to serve their party; and yet, when a faction is formed upon a point of right or principle, there is no occasion, where men discover a greater obstinacy, and a more determined sense of justice and equity…”
(my bold)
And all the No campaign can come up with is a list of love-bombing luvvies?
It’s strange how all these newspapers, TV and radio companies have the exact same headline story, Alex Salmond and Plan B. You would think it was co-ordinated, wouldn’t you.
Even the news bulletin on Clyde 2 this morning, their politiacal editor and friend of STV, Colin Mackay, was telling us that they would be discussing the currency issue at Holyrood today and if you miss it then go to their website where you can find updates from Holyrood on the currency issue.
It’s really obvious now that this is another one of their “Dambuster” moments. That this is an all out attack from every media outlet in the UK.
And it is getting them no where.
John King
Expect a response from the Rowers for Yes group. They have been gey quiet so far but our very own wonderful Katherine Grainger and her massed ranks will make this list look puny.
@Lesley-Anne link to tinyurl.com
Having now just watched the FM take the opposition apart on the currency debacle without appearing to get out of second gear, does anyone else now get the feeling he played Darling and the MSM like a cheap fiddle? 😀
Salmon stated today in Parliament what we all ought to have known for ages: it’s the pound, always was the pound, with or without the Bank of England. If without, then Scotland begins its renaissance without any debt.
I think the No campaign are indulging in self-delusion. If they think they have won the day on a Plan A or B attack they are fools.
I see Dame Judi Dench is on the list. Maybe that’s why Pierce Brosnan chucked the Bond gig after Die Another Day – got fed up with Dench pestering him on set day after day about when the Irish were going to come back into the fold, shared kinship and history on these isles, and all that.
There’s a nicely understater line in Brosnan’s wiki entry, about his school days in London as the only Irish kid in the 1960s:
“And you’re Irish. And they make you feel it; the British have a wonderful way of doing that, and I had a certain deep sense of being an outsider.”
@heedtracker
I totally agree with what you say but credit where it is due, surely Sillars has forgotten that.
You would have thought that if so much money was placed on a NO vote, it would send the price up again on over 55%.
Over the past week the price has dropped from 7/1 to 6/1 the other day.
You would think that after today’s events, with all that money going on NO and Salmond getting crushed by Darling in the Big Debate, that the price would be on it’s way out to 8/1 or higher.
Well, surprise surprise, the price is actually going the other way, it is now at down to 11/2 for over 55%.
Strange!
Same here Black Douglas. He absolutely destroyed the *ahem* opposition today, as he usually does week in and week out. However, today I did get a slight feeling that he was so up for it he was struggling to hold himself back. 😛
OT, but I think this is probably the most sinister effort so far from Better Together. Did Prof Charlie Jeffery not deliberately misrepresent the funding of public services at the Brookings Institution lecture posted here?
Personally, I don’t think their experts have gotten of to a very good start. Apparently Dr. Nichola McEwan is unaware that Britain is not a country (1:02).
Does anyone know the relationship between Edinburgh University and the CBI?
link to futurelearn.com
Well, I read the celebrity(?) list. I didn’t realise how out of touch I am with the whole celebrity culture thing.
I have never heard of well over half of the names on that list, nor am I interested in finding out who they are.
Tam Jardine
“Rowers for Yes”
lol.
Do you think we came up the Clyde in a banana boat Tam.
@Skip_NC says: 7 August, 2014 at 6:32 pm
” He is a constitutional lawyer and former law professor at a prestigious university, so I hope he will have the good sense to say something about it. I’ll post when I get a response.”
Hi Skip_NC – Just a wee though. Perhaps an e-mail to the elected persons who were bad mannered enough to stick their noses into a democratic political vote by Scots to take their destiny into their own hands might be brought back down to Earth if you informed them we Scots, who favour Scottish independence, wish them, when they next celebrate the, “American day of Separation”, from England, a happy Separation day.
Its not 8 years since I moved here and gave up TV and I could only manage 41 of the 200 🙁
Still look on the bright side, not even the 41 will know of me 😉
Alexander Armstrong
Sir David Attenborough
Mary Beard
Stephen Hawking
Terry Jones
I’m disappointed in these five: they’ve often been quite insightful and intelligent, you’d think they’d be on side.
Most of the others I had hoped would have some savvy (not Picard! Not Poirot!) but overall I can’t say I’m heartbro-
Sarah Beeny
NOOOOOOOO!
I Think Basil Brush is a Yesser though..
Robert Peffers, alas, I can’t do that. Congressional rules require that I can only write to those who directly represent me (one Congressman and two senators). I would have loved to have written to Rep. Mike McIntyre, also from NC, and very proud of his Scots heritage, but the rules prohibit that.
I fear I will get little more than a generic response from my rep. The resolution sounds like the sort of twaddle David Cameron would come out with. I am convinced it is not intended for the House of Representatives and certainly not the American electorate. I think it was done purely for the press release that found it’s way into the British media.
caz-m says:
Tam Jardine
“Rowers for Yes”
lol.
Do you think we came up the Clyde in a banana boat Tam.
YES!
Didn’t you get the memo caz, the banana boat was oar powered. 😛
I’ll get ma coat! 😀
The best part of Dr Starkey dribbled down the inside of his mother’s leg.
Celebrities? There aren’t enough letters in the alphabet to denote which ‘list’ some of these goons are on. These attention seeking showbiz-types will put their name to anything if it means publicity. Remember Brass Eye? Doh!
Disappointed to see some names here, educated people who I would have expected to be above such things….Stephen Hawking, Richard Dawkins, David Attenborough.
Keep ’em coming though. We in Scotland love being told what to think.
Starkey? How many divisions does he have?
Cochrane spouting again..
link to telegraph.co.uk
Robert pfeffers
Some States still call it Separation Day, mainly the Southern now ex slave owning ones. I think it is something to do with the Slitting of the North and South although some may have trasferred the name from their past and hidden in the Union one, to confuse the northerners.
Robert pfeffers
Some States still call it Separation Day, mainly the Southern now ex slave owning ones. I think it is something to do with the Slitting of the North and South although some may have trasferred the name from their past and hidden in the Union one, to confuse the northerners.
I haven’t watch any of these debates before on TV so apologies for asking this daft question. Other than a change of channel and audience can we not expect exactly the same questions from Darling and Salmond all over again at the next debate?
Certainly from Darling we know that is all we’re gonna get cos’ he ain’t got any other issue to attack.
So surely if AS can nail him a lot better this time on the currency answer and push him so dam hard on what further powers we can expect if its No then the whole nature of the debate changes with him even more firmly on the rack.
How did I do that?
How did I do that?
I noticed gman’s post, with the full list of the 200 signatories to this love letter.
Just one thing – on 19 September,by the time we have added the obligatory: Margaret Thatcher, Winston Churchill, Princess Diana, Lord Nelson… to that lot, by the time we’ve read out all the names – we might not have the energy lest to add: “Your team took one hell of a beating”.
Damn, I should have read that list a bit slower, I thought one of the names was Jock Strap.
@a2 says: 7 August, 2014 at 7:34 pm:
Jackie Baillie’s weight rather than the nonsense that’s come out of her mouth…
Except for the fact that it is relevant as Jackie Baillie is in fact, “Shadow Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy”, and by appointing such a grossly clinically obese person to such an office is idiocy by London Labour in Scotland. Do you imagine and overweight person will not say, “If its good enough for the Shadow Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy, then it’s good enough for ne to be obese”.
I got banned from the Telegraph for saying that the reason is unmarried is because he cannot marry his right hand.
Tam Jardine 7.51pm
Great comment totally agree.
Jock 7.52pm
sprayed tea all over my screen …AGAIN.
Thank you Wingers . Smile back on
Starkey is a prick, no on second thoughts he’s a waste of space as pricks are useful and he’s a useless b*****d. Hope one of those big heavy history books falls on his heid from a great height.
Auld Rock
Jaba isn’t ‘fat’ anyway. She’s just got big bones.
Five Baronesses
One Colonel
Two Dames
Eight Lords
Seventeen Sirs.
That’s 33 titles in the list out of 202.
16% of the signees have titles.