Wings Over Scotland

Back of the net again Chris. Labour well and truly pumped by the blue brigade.

And they don’t even have the decency to switch off the lights or close the blinds to hide their unholy union – shameless!

Nice one Chris , well and truly consecrated in that unholy alliance but we shall render them asunder .

Well she cannot cry rape,she may be reluctant,she may even adopt the missionary position but she can always stare at the ceiling and think of England.

His friend ,the jolly one with the North Korean fringe,is more interested to show grovelling obeisance to the imperial master May. My liberal values accepts whatever turns them on.

Just don’t expect me to join in.

Jan Barr.
Quote from a city worker :
“The Conservatives will attempt to soften the blow by promising that pensioners will not have to sell their homes to pay for their care costs while they or a surviving partner are alive. Instead, ‘products will be available’ allowing the elderly to pay by extracting equity from their homes, which will be recovered at a later date when they die or sell their residence.
I have just seen this post online:
‘People need to read the small print associated with this because its a lot nastier than it looks.
I work in the City. The insurance industry was approached by the Government several months ago with the aim of creating a new market for a new product.
This arrangement is a culmination of those discussions. You wont have to sell your house PROVIDED that you purchase an insurance product to cover your social care. The “premiums” would be recovered from the equity after the house has been sold and the Insurance company will have a lien on the house and can force a sale if it wants to. So your offspring cant keep it on the market for long in order to get the best price.
The real kicker in this is that in order to encourage the industry to market these products the government guaranteed that there would be no cap on the premiums.
This was in some ways “attonement” for Osborne’s destruction of the highly lucrative annuties market. This means that the premiums could be up to (and including) the entire remaining equity in the property after the government has taken its cut. Compamies will be falling over themselves to get their snouts in this trough.
In short your offspring and relatives could get absolutely nothing from your estate.
If you buy one of these products you need to read the small print very very carefully indeed because there will be some real dogs on the market.
I suspect that this is another financial scandal waiting to happen, but by the time it does May will be long gone.”

A picture worth a thousand words. Nice one Chris.

Aren’t you supposed to be on holiday Mr Cairns?

labour, prepared to throw the good folk of Aberdeen under a bus for the sake of hurting the SNP and obtaining office.

What dos this mean, well for Aberdonians they will see services cut for the most poor and vulnerable.

Seems to me and others that labour politicians have shorter memories than the average Scot and have forgiven the tories for laying waste to Scotland in the 70s, 80s & 90s.

Bizzare when labour are too concerned with the constitution, and keeping office at any cost that they can’t see they are killing themselves, propping up the tories and doing such disservice to Scotland!i see

A point I think worth emphasising is that those people mrs thatcher damaged, both they and their children continue to pay the price today!

mrs may, already looks to be every bit as dangerous as thatcher, continued austerity, pensions and winter fuel allowance, then throw brexit into the mix!

This!

link to blog.lboro.ac.uk

Another beaut from ooer Chris.

Missing are the men in grey suits , those that remain power in No10 when the tenant leaves.

They would be teetin’ in the windae overseeing the harmony .

Nicely put.

I did not watch the TV debate but its very obvious from the panic stations of the MSM exactly who they consider came out best.

Excellent work Chris.

I think there should be no delay in the SNP as the democratic government of Scotland making a very clear and very loud request for UN to speak out against the anti democratic process in the UK.

The use of intimidation and massive state propaganda against Scottish Independence in order to retain Scottish assets and prevent the Scottish people from developing our rights, straight from the UN charter.

We are under massive propaganda campaign against our interests, and development aspirations. It is time for the UN to speak up and show exactly what the UK has become, in fact has always been. If they do not, the UN has no meaning.

Heh. Richt up the sheugh.

Dorothy Devine says:
20 May, 2017 at 8:11 am
This!

link to blog.lboro.ac.uk

Thanks for that! great resource and its good to see what we all know confirmed there by quantitative research.

Behind those figures its even worse – because the material presented about each party and its framing or tone is even more important and I think we all know what way that goes too.

Ive been doing a kind of mind experiment on myself by listening to R4 and Shortbread for my commute, thats 2 hours of prime news time per day, flicking between the two. In terms of bias this is the worst I can ever remember.

I have found it does actually adversely affect my mood and hopes for this country. Its only by visiting twitter and Wings etc and getting out campaigning with the other SNP members that my mood is restored.

Its particularly heartening that we have new members and activists in our branch who only joined after Brexit and are absolutely driven by that.

link to caltonjock.com

When push comes to shove the Tories point at expense as a reason to avoid the tedium of democracy. They’ve also got a record of complaining about the cost of the last independence referendum. Expect them to point to winter fuel as yet another mitigation of their policies that the SNP aren’t providing. Also expect them to point at however much has been raised to fight a second referendum as being better used to protect Scotland from the full force of cuts imposed by Westminster implying that said money came from Government coffers.

Brilliant Chris.

You’ve got Labour’s cringing submissiveness and the arrogant Tory to a tee.

With luck the Labour wh..e will get VD aff the ol’ comb over lecher.

@Ann

It demonstrates how deluded May is that she believes she can control the entire internet. It is fairly simply to host your site outside the UK, in fact the one I use servers seem to be actually in Germany. They would have to build a wall a bit like china, or Trump but only a software version, to block sites from outside the UK.

Outstanding satire!

Are those, his toes..
or the Lib Dems and UKIP,
already under the covers?

Fine work Chris.

just noticed on BBC website they have a cropped version of the Ruth stepping up on the stage photo, rather more flattering and not showing that podgy thigh.

Coitus abominationis.
Just lie back and think of England dear.
He won’t last long!

Great of you to find the time between holidays Chris.
😉

Great toon Chris.

I have a vision of Labour in a Gimp suit though.

Dub dale just can’t see how “Ruthie baby” has used and abused her for her own political gains, I heard her on radio the other day saying she wouldn’t resign if Labour had a disastrous election in Scotland, that’s just fine by me.I think I’m going to go and put a wee wager on kezia being a Tory party member by the NDT of the decade.

Great article by Kevin McKenna in to-day’s Herald.

@ian guild says: 20 May, 2017 at 7:15 am:

“can someone answer a question for me,Why do the conservatives have 2 manifesto’s in the UK GE?”

Yes, Ian, I can answer that. They don’t care about anything except holding onto as many voters as they can scrape from the bottom of the barrel as they can, irrespective of the truth of course.

So they have a manifesto for what they see as, “The Whole Country”, that contains the lies that scrape the English/British barrel bottom and that is mainly austerity, (a.k.a. dun the poor and exclude the foreigners).

Then their Scottish Branch Office suddenly wakes up to the obvious fact that, as far as Westminster Head Office is concerned, the Scots ARE the foreigners and then the Scottish Branch Office rushes out a, “Scottish, (not the Tories), Referendum”, to attempt to disassociate themselves from their English/British Nationalist leaders.

So we get the Scottish Conservative, (not the Tories), manifesto to scrape the bottom of the Scottish, (not the Tories), barrel. With the quite obvious lies that such things as a separate Winter heating policy will not happen. Not to mention that the basis of the Tank Commander’s argument that all of Scotland’s climate is colder than that of England is mince. tRuthless obviously doesn’t know there is a Scottish sub-Tropical Botanic Garden at Inverewe in the Scottish Highlands and then there is the Logan Walled Garden among the other Botanical Gardens of Scotland:-

link to scotlandsgardenroute.co.uk

Not to mention the Highland village of Plockton with its row of palm trees along its main street. The Tank Commander is ignorant of Scotland’s actual very varied climate.

One of the great attractions of Scotland is that you can drive no more than a mile, or perhaps two, and the entire landscape and climate has completely changed.

Raunchy cartoon Mr Cairns. I wonder who you had in mind whilst drawing this.

Lord help us if this pair have any offspring from this ungodly union.

Morning links on previous thread for anyone interested. Includes a facebook post by the not so great dictator.

@Fireproofjim

Unfortunately Fireproof that is unlikely to happen as I also thought we would have seen a number of Labour MP and MSP defectors before Indy 2014 and subsequently to the No vote winning and Brexit.

As our well knowledged Robert Peffers keeps reminding us the Labour and Tories have been in bed together as part of the WM establishment to protect themselves and the establishment at all costs.

Always protecting this joint stance, even if they well know a prosperous Independent Scotland is possible.

Kinda surreal and at the same time so utterly, utterly plausible.

Labour in bed with the Tories, while the Tories are threatening the elderly will have to sell their homes and pay for healthcare unless they indulge some Financial insurance or equity scam to cheat their own system.

As a true alternative emerges, at least in Scotland, and be in no doubt, Independence really is a credible alternative, then the Establishment’s media goes into a frenzied attack mode.

I loved Peter Bell’s analogy that the SNP is seen as a systemic threat to the “body” UK and the media swarms to attack it like antibodies. I’ll take that analogy a stage further; the media has been drip feeding Scotland with antibiotics for decades now, and the modern SNP is now revealing itself as increasingly resilient.

Without wishing to sound complacent, I think the Indy movement is unstoppable. My faith in that is evenly spread out, as in not all in one basket;

Economically? We’ll be fine. Some disruption of course, but we have product and service in abundance, and especially in Europe, people who want our products and services. If we stumble, we will have 27 prosperous Nations to see us back on our feet. I have faith in that.

Socially? We are rock solid. Scotland’s stance over Brexit is making us friends, lifelong friends who are already living here, and strategic friends in their foreign governments. Domestically, we are getting it pretty much right when it comes to integrity and honest decency. I have faith that isn’t going to change. Unionism seems to be the diametric opposite, fleeting faithless alliances, hidden agendas, dirty secrets and propaganda exposed whenever the lights go on… “Fair” is a four letter word to a Unionist.

Culturally? I think I identify with the Chinese in a small way. Mao and communism destroyed a great deal of Chinese culture which they are belatedly trying to recover. We are on a different part of the spectrum from China of course, but Auld Scots language, Scots Law, Gaelic, Scottish history, Scottish infrastructure, Scotland’s social engineering, our Scottish constitution… I could go on. All of these cultural markers are overshadowed by Anglicisation and Scotland’s place in the United Kingdom. There are chapters missing which should be there, and other chapters which are there but do not belong there. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not advocating a purge of all influence, just a reevaluation of some of it. The bits that were stunted which might have grown into something noble and beautiful. I have faith that Scotland will gain a tremendous sense of well being when we reconnect with our cultural past and identify.

You get the picture now don’t you? All “my” numbers however you combine them add up to Independence being the answer.

But when I put myself into the shoes of a Unionist, a British Nationalist; what that is, how that defines itself, what that is identified with, and the rocky path that British Nationalism seems so blinkeredly determined to follow, I truly marvel at their capacity to have faith left in anything. I confess, I do not understand what fuels their redoubtable defence of a Union which I find to be rotten, repugnant, discredited, dysfunctional and by and large catastrophic for the holistic development of an altogether better Scotland.

I do not deny Scotland did indeed benefit from its place in the Empire. For every strand of Scottish culture crushed by anglicisation, I expect there were other stands of Scottish culture which did very well for themselves. We have the legacy of both to come to terms with.

But I can boil this down to simplicity itself. My personal runes cannot tell me for sure that Scottish Independence is just around the corner, or whether it will come about peacefully or be marred by the smell of tear gas. But there is certainty; and that is a certainty that the Union is doomed.

Look at 2014. Unionism “won” its reprieve. What has it actually done in the interim three years to validate that decision and strengthen the Union? Nothing. Not a thing. The ONLY purpose of Unionism is to defeat Independence. There isn’t actually a Union to defend, only continued subjugation to be pacified by our own home made Gauleiters.

@Dr Jim

Tories don’t need to pay for it. Slab happy to drop their drawers for some cheap gilt chains of office, to cavort in.

Good toon, as per, Chris, but I only feel disgust.

@Breeks

Just joined the queue reading the thread a wee while.

I think you encapsulated all there needs to be said as far as I am concerned. Excellent. 🙂

Morning all.

From the Revs Twitter:

“Wings has now had more unique readers in May than we got in the whole of January, February or March, with 11 days still to go.”

That’ll be why Rock was running interference most of last night them.

ronnie anderson @ 7.53

Paying for social care by releasing equity from your home.

In recent days there has been a noticeable increase in adverts promoting equity release schemes particularly in the Telegraph. I guess that the discussions between Tories and insurers prior to the drawing up of the Tories’ manifesto explains the sudden appearance of these adverts.

Foreknowledge is a great thing if you want to make a fast buck.

galamcennalath..
‘like political Venus fly traps. Encourage them to get too close, suck them in, trap them, slowly absorb their very being, then spit out the hollow carcass.’

Spot on there.

I’d add that.. ‘the establishment trap’ sends out messages that ‘minor’ parties are parasites and that their future prey should destroy these before they themselves are sacrificed.

Brexit talks officially start on June 19th. Latest yougov polls saying those in Scotland who think it’s wrong to leave EU up 3%. This is the battle-ground in which the so-called united kingdom will disintgrate.

Ian Guild

I was raising the same point last night.

Here’s the BBC’s own take on the Scottish Tories piffle.
NB their own comments highlight that most of the policies concern devolved issues and are therefore irrelevant in a WM election.

link to bbc.co.uk

It’s all rubbish, deliberately meant to mislead.

The two areas that are not devolved, Fishing and energy are completely vacuous and NO mention of TRIDENT!!!

Fishing industry
Pledge to support Scotland’s fishermen after leaving the EU and the Common Fisheries Policy
Energy
Support for the shale gas industry in Scotland as part of a “diverse energy mix” which will include more offshore wind projects, but fewer onshore large-scale wind projects.

Seems tRuthless’ ideas are not going down well in England but will the real truth come out i.e. the fact that Pensioners in Scotland are being protected by SNP policies – don’t hold your breath.

Excellent image Chris! I was quite shocked, not at the raunchiness, but at the actual depiction of the truth for all to see. Labour have blotted their copy book, well, since some time back. Idiots.

Re; David Caledonia@11.01

Sounds like an interesting if harrowing book about slavery. Thing is, if you mention that Scotland is and has been oppressed for over 300 years to most people, here and especially south of the border, you get a look as if you are really crazy. Why, because the unionists have done a good job in conning people to think it was an agreement, not enforced, not cajoled, not orchestrated economically etc.

So it is nigh-on impossible to get people to realise that their country was taken by force, and used to the benefit of an abusive, empire driven, neighbour. I know little of Scottish history, but enough to see just what an awful, unequal, and unholy union it has been for centuries. Many seem blind to that.

Have a good Saturday all! Leaflets to deliver, it’s the least I can do.

Well, it’s turned intae a shagathon wi aw the bed hoppin’ in councils aroon Scotland….and now Kezia’s just blessed their Union by blatantly tellin’ folk tae vote Tory in some areas where they are best placed tae ‘beat the SNP’.

Ah want tae ‘unfuckingbelievable’ but it’s not is it, it’s shameful and the results will be devastating for Scotland, any vote for Labour is merely strengthening the Tories hand at Westminster, Labour are not opposing the Tories, they are colluding with them to shaft Scotland.

What is happening at council level is a mirror effect at the National and UK wide level. They are the red Tories and nothing has changed in the past two years to suggest that Labour in any way has altered course.

Vote SNP or be crushed by the Tories. It’s your call.

@Orri says:20 May, 2017 at 9:19 am:

“When push comes to shove the Tories point at expense as a reason to avoid the tedium of democracy.”

Aye! Orri, and when shove comes to push, the only salient points we need know about the Tory Party is that while they run up massive national debts and are telling us that, “We are all in this together”, and while imposing supposed austerity upon, “Us all”, because, “The Country”, cannot sustain the cost of universal benefits but must maintain, “The Country’s”, security at all costs their own statistics prove that there are not only more billionaires in, “The Country”, but also more UK billionaires living off-shore from, “The Country”, who have all more than doubled their wealth while the most vulnerable of the rest of us are dying of cold, lack of good medical care, malnutrition and killing themselves out of sheer worry and frustration at their abject poverty.

Austerity? What austerity would that be while the wealthy are doubling their wealth and the multinationals are creaming record profits and paying no taxation there is only a myth of austerity in the United Kingdom?

Now we are about to vote in a GE and the English will most likely vote back the Tory Government they expect to maintain their Little England for Little Englanders and that Little Englander xenophobia is blinding them to the fact that the Tory Manifesto has promises that indicate the Westminster Establishment has picked clean the bones of the most vulnerable.

They are now about to start picking over the freshly dead bones of the English Middle Classes by forcing the sale of the deceased’s middle class person’s property as they struggled to receive care in their old age.

Can these people not see that great big Tory Road Roller hurtling down the street in their direction?

“First they came for the immigrants and I did nothing because I was not an immigrant. Then they came for the disabled and I did nothing because I was not disabled. Then they came for the old – and you know the rest of that quotation – don’t you?

@Breeks. 11.14

Top notch.

@Jockanese Wind Talker says: 20 May, 2017 at 11:35 am:

“Wings has now had more unique readers in May than we got in the whole of January, February or March, with 11 days still to go.”

I believe most of us saw that coming.

“That’ll be why Rock was running interference most of last night them.”

As to Rock. I had a good laugh at his claim about me, “So you do read my comments”, as if that were some kind of great victory.

I didn’t have the heart to tell him that I do not read his comments but as I read the comments of those Wingers who do reply to him I then know if there is something I need to check out and hit him with.

If he thinks I’m reading his comments he may just try harder to be a bit more subtle with his constant attempts to put down the SNP SG and the people of Scotland – but I doubt he has the intellect to do so.

If Scotland had not been conned into joining the Union, our population would be around 12 million.
Instead England has 60 million and we now have huge untapped natural wealth such as agricultural potential and coastal resources but no ‘nation’ to invest on our behalf.

It’s Independence or bust, I’m afraid.

@Robert Peffers

Good on you. I skip past Rocks comments and also the usual other Trolls Sensible Dave etc.

But I do read yours and every other Wings regulars who reply to his posts so get a good ininkling as to what he is about.

Spot on about Rock not having the intellect to put forward a decent comment or argument. Rock has little of anything to offer this site of what we Wingers are striving to achieve.

Don’t forgot about the flute and umbrella.

Auld Rock

I remember many years ago(20+) on soc.culture.scottish, scotpol and other prehistoric forums being ridiculed by other pro indy supporters for predicting that Scottish Labour and Tory would unite against the SNP when the time came.

Back then, most pro indy supporters didn’t even think the BBC was biased in any way.

Chick
Laugh away mate. That time has come.
I’ve been getting a lot of that ‘i said so’ feeling lately too.
Tinfoil hatted for Trump/ it’ll all end in farce.

I will spoil you for choice.

Try hitting me on this one:

Robert Peffers,

“There would be a mass exodus of members from the party if the party accepted the UDI preaching of numpties like Rock.”

Rock,

“Quote me one post where I have preaced UDI. If not, I will have to sue you for libel, (you “bloody numptie”, in your favourite words).

Let us see who actually has preached UDI:”

Robert Peffers, (14th March “Fury Of The Phantoms”)

“All we need do is to go ahead and do what we wish and let them attempt to stop or prevent our exercise of what, under Scots law, is our legal sovereignty and let them take legal action.”

Rock,

“Another mighty boast from your armchair.

The Scottish parliament and First Minister are bound to operate within their limited non-sovereign powers and that is why they will seek permission from Westminster.

Anything else would be UDI.”

Artyhetty thanks for the comment on my post

Once we get independence scottish schoolchildren will be taught the true history, not just of scotland, but the world and how imperialism impacted on britain’s former colonies, but kids must be taught it was all actually english imperialism, some scots where in amongst it, but most where just doing the dirty work for their paymasters in London
Education is the most important factor in a kids developement, education gives us power, because with education the truth cannot be hidden from you

Excellent cartoon but as a former Labour voter it also made me feel a little sick.

Is she an NHS nurse?