Wings Over Scotland

How about we crowdfund a cash reward for the first journalist to track down Murrell and ask him a question?

Any old fuckin question will do…

I am totally not amazed and totally downhearted.

It’s a lost cause now as far as I can see. Just too far gone.

Yet at every afternoon news conference all I hear is Nicola stating that she welcomes scrutiny s part of Democracy.

There are definitely two faces to the SNP bierarchy. One for public view and the other which is kept from view. Like Murrell is kept from view.

Slow motion car crash in action.

Not good last years October Conference was poorly attended and very stage managed. I manged to get to speak on a couple of useful motions, one on abuse and one on Scottish Currency.
Surprisingly no motions on UDI or any form of Independence plan B.
The fact this years won’t run even remotely is very damming.

Have been increasingly worried by events at the SNP.

Resigned membership very reluctantly and with sadness.

I actually never thought it would come to a situation like this.

Like many folk on here very angry but mainly sad.

I cannot see any light ahead.

Problem with leaving the party is that that will only make matters worse – it needs more realists to join and take the party to where it should be.

Puts a whole new spin on the term “party crashers”.

The light at the end of the tunnel just gets smaller and smaller.

Scotland fkd sideways by it’s own shitty backstabbing leadership. As a Nation we need to start hanging a few of these crooked bastards by the neck. We shoulda done it 1707, but better late than never eh?

The SNP NEC appear to have their tails between their legs, don’t they?

Yet that diminutive, yellow-brown-red, pet canine who apparently has a blog, is besotted on Twitter with Sturgeon & her kinky cabinet; apparently convinced that she will miraculously brush aside, whenever it suits her, Westminster’s flat our rejection of any constitutional negotiation & lead us down a sugar free, non binary, socially distanced, Caledonia.

I’m not sure what’s more amazing; his & his followers’ messianic belief in the cult of “Oor Nicola” or that the SNP NEC thinks it can simply dismiss holding a conference because it’s uncomfortable with the scrutiny that it rightfully deserves?

People really should be asking about Sturgeon’s & Murrel’s alleged involvement in an attempt to have an innocent man convicted at the High Court in Edinburgh & their willful obfuscation & belligerence towards a Holyrood committee doing its best to uncover the truth.

@kapelmeister –

Thanks for the heads-up.

I mistakenly thought Peter had commented btl at WGD.

For others who may have done likewise, here’s the link to his blog.

link to ihavequestions.scot

Does Scottish independence really need an SNP conference, more hot air?
A people knows when its time has come, it does not need political parties or conventions, simply the popular will to make it happen.
These times have exposed systemic failings and the gap between power and authority.
Much power but little evidence of the ‘informed authority’ contrasted with the ‘political authority’ to exercise it.
The system is akin to a cat playing with a tiger which has been programmed to think it’s a mouse.

There goes another few thousand memberships!

I seriously think they have pissed off half of the
Membership enough to make them resign and at
Least half of the remainder with this deluge of skulduggery!

Don’t get mad or sad.

Get even!!

Throwing it all away ! ,

That was a current post of WGD , to throw something away indicates you have either got something or have gained something of value in order to throw it away througth carelessness or misjudgement , What have we got to throw away ? .

Question can anyone point to a single a bit of progress that’s been made since 19th September 2014 , just one will do .

A prediction made on another platform Look at the sky for a major event today aye ok watching ? Still Waiting and Watching eh any idea what time the big event starts ? Just Asking Like

By now even the unquestioning blind deaf, dummies on another platform , a diminishing number now By the looks of it ,they now can’t get over and can’t answer a simple question , how much progress has been made under this leadership ,

Your faith in the plan , the last plan being waiting until older NO voters peg it so we have a majority , eh wee fly in the ointment. old YES voters tend to pop off at the same rate as NO voters ,

Peats grand speeches it the English Parliament and the Eloquent renditions by Ian Blackford to a mostly empty house because the Tories as a matter of course bale out just when they speak and make sure of the greatest disruption is caused , again what’s been gained ? , most people don’t and will never tune into either Parliament , so they get their News from a mostly unionist perspective that’s fair balanced and free of any political bias.

Again a progress report , listening , yep the good old sound of f/n Silence , was it worth all the verbal Dross and pointless posturing , they might as well have stayed at home drinking Cider , what a bloody expensive waste of time and energy ,

No Ian. Peter actually has commented today btl on WGD as well. In fact, after Peter’s original lengthy comment, the host replied and he and Kavanagh had a real verbal set-to.

Yep, get in fast, because the exchange will probably disappear. They’re a bit touchy about criticism in some quarters.

… but well said Mr Bell.

Their argument seems to be that having Section 30 formally refused is a necessary precondition to doing anything. That simply isn’t true, but even if it was, it doesn’t address the years Sturgeon has squandered not clarifying the legal ambiguity.

@kapelmeister –

Found it, thanks, right up near the start of the thread.

Well the Yes movement is now well and truly split down the middle. There’s the “Oor Nicola’s got this” brigade and then there’s the rest of us.

It’s hard to see where we go from here as the two viewpoints are so polar opposite. The unionists must be laughing their heads off while we all throw insults at each other.

Anyone got a way forward that we can ALL get behind?

kapelmeister @ 11.59

A fact WGD and the SNP hierarchy seem unaware of is that no ex British colony ever required a ‘Section 30’ from Westminster for independence.

Kapelmeister@12:17

My thoughts exactly! Though I do remember cringing at the adulation.

Question: Who are the strongest, most capable MSPs? And which of them are favourable to urgent action to restore Scotland’s freedom from the Union? I ask because I don’t know the personalities at Holyrood.

The only one in the first category I can think of is Mike Russell [I can’t call many of our SNP MSPs to mind at all, other than those who are retiring].

Is Mike Russell the sort who would tell Nicola that she must stand down?

And is he keen on wider action than s30, and quicker than May 2021?

Socrates;

There’ll be no such bold statement to the London party and no such announcement of a referendum from the current SNP leadership. Even if she were to make such an announcement – which she won’t – the onslaught Salmond received from the british media would be but a minor insignificance in the face of what the Press, keeping powder dry, have in store regarding the Murrell/NEC Affair.

The rot within the SNP is now truly stinking, our wrists well and truly bound, tight. Covid-19 has been a godsend, but also little more than a momentary respite for Nicola Sturgeon who’s lost her way in the power game – and lost Scotland during play.
She’ll do well settling in another country; feted and in demand as an after dinner speaker.
“But we’ll have Angus Robertson” they’ll all cry.

@ David Beverage
‘Anyone got a way forward that we can ALL get behind?’

We campaign and get support for Indy over 60% by years end.

We use some common themes:

We can do so much better than Boris, Believe In Scotland, Believe in you.

Without Indy we lose Devolution, We lose the NHS, we lose jobs galore, we lose food standards, we lose our water, we lose our human rights.

For economic facts check out and if possible order up and use Business For Scotlands book ‘Believe in Scotland’.

We get support for Indy over 60% before years end and in the process identify viable local candidates for Indy list seats.

With support at and over 60% – the SNP leadership argument that Scotland isn’t ready for a plebiscite Holyrood election becomes null and void, and the timing of requesting a S30 becomes at its most powerful.

A No from WM or indeed a no reply – translates directly into votes for Indy at HE. There really isn’t a more appropriate time to request a S30.

While support for Indy is below 60% the argument ‘Scotland isn’t ready, we want to hold Indy Ref only when we can win’ become illegitimate.

Since we are in Covid times – we utilise Billboards – home made is going to be necessary – every wheelie bin is a billboard, posters, leaflets, bumper stickers, T shirts, and small, safe conversations.

Go for info graphics and short slogans – We can Do so much better than Boris. Get it visible.

One thing for those worried about Covid – do you want to face it with or without an NHS.

We have country to save, we need to get on with it and stop waiting for someone to hold our hands and give us permission.

Iain Lawson’s blog is worth a read. The language is more measured but in a sense that makes the situation worse. It’s clear that the current abuse of power and abuse of the party’s constitution cannot go unchallenged. The work of decades is being torn up an spat on. The only doubt left is whether anybody in the SNP leadership is going to stand up and be counted or will there be a need for a complete change at the top.

Excellent column from Kevin McKenna in today’s National ,

“ Snp infighting the biggest threat to party in face of weak opposition “

“In 2002 Theresa May, then chairwoman of the party, in a rare moment of self-awareness, told her members: “There’s a lot we need to do in this party of ours. Our base is too narrow and so, occasionally, are our sympathies. You know what some people call us – the Nasty Party.”
At least the Tories reserved most of their beastliness for their opponents. In 2021, the SNP, who have always portrayed themselves as a rainbow organisation open to all, are now considered to be Scotland’s nasty party. Troublingly for the SNP hierarchy it’s not their traditional opponents in the Tory/Labour Unionist alliance who are loudest in saying this, it’s many in its own rank-and-file membership. “

link to archive.is

Sorry that was to Susan

@ Polly
‘t’s a bit like Daisy Walker’s ‘we can do so much better than Boris’. Although I agree with almost all she says, the focus on just that slogan goes to pot if he steps down in January.’

A good slogan is like a punch to the solar plexus, it has to be true, it has to be emotional (to challenge it is to challenge the persons belief system – which never works and takes too long). A good political slogan highlights beyond one time frame, and illuminates a whole system…

And nothing sums up the English Establishments contempt for ruling Scotland more than Boris.

Hands up if you still occasionally hear, ‘I can’t stand that Alex Salmond’?

It worked. Sadly.

So now we point out…

Better Together – with Boris, aye right.

They replace Boris with another Eton Mess – ‘oh aye, here comes another Boris’ is the answer. You paint them with the same Boris brush.

If a new leader comes along – and who? We’ll change tactics then, but for now

We Can Do So Much Better Than Boris.

Why would Salmond want to bury the hatchet with somebody who plotted to have him thrown in prison for the rest of his life? Can’t see that happening. Sad and poignant thing is when you randomly see an old photay of the two of them together. You can see the warmth and affection between them. Nothing like today. Mow the divide is so wide and glacial I can’t ever see anything bridging it.

Breeks,
Paul Kavanagh has changed his stance regarding a Section 30. It used to be that Boris and chums wouldn’t be able to refuse a one because of the support for independence because to say “no” would be unsustainable but now his stance is to ask for one expecting a refusal and then proceed on an alternative route towards independence.

This new stance I agree with, Section 30 is a distraction and we shouldn’t even be talking about asking Westminster for anything. We can look at a Westminster Section 30 not as asking for permission but asking for their blessing.

If we receive it, then good and if we don’t then that is also good because the refusal is then weaponised by us to gain more support for independence and show how intransigent Westminster is.
We would also do away with any conversations about having or not having a Section 30 and save us all some time.

@ Daisy Walker at 1.42pm

Yes I know your reasoning. I agree with most of what you say. But about highlighting Boris so often I still think that’s the wrong tactic.

“A party that scurries away bleating in terror every time it’s threatened with the slightest scrutiny is plainly not capable of winning the hard fight for independence.”

Nor should they be allowed anywhere near the negotiations after a ‘Yes’ majority. Untrustworthy! Get them out! Where are all these “decent” or “good” folk in the SNP we’re always hearing about? Is it not about time they all stood up to be counted?

Polly

Burd Power!!!

Howz that for a slogan???

Nicola would just love that eh?

We have to try to get into the mindset of this woman who is leading Scotland a merry dance.

She has openly admitted she would rather attend and lead an LGBT Gay Pride Rally than and political Rally.

This would account for the Woke Brigade, who have hijacked Scotland’s only Independence Party.

She is meant to be the fire breathing freedom fighter at the helm of the Scottish Independence Movenent.

She is anything but.

Her sexual orientation is her choice,,,but when it has derailed a whole Yes Movement, then it becomes our business.

May I suggest that Sturgeon resigns as leader of the SNP and hand over the leadership to someone who won’t let her sexual orientation get in the way of our fight for Independence.

Sturgeon would rather attend and lead an LGBT Gay Pride Rally in Glasgow than an AUOB Rally.

Sturgeon would rather wear a rainbow coloured “Choose Love” t-shirt than a YES t-shirt.

So the whole world can see where Sturgeon’s priorities lie,,,and it certainly isn’t winning Scottish Independence.

link to gaystarnews.com

I find it puzzling that folk on here think it perfectly acceptable to attack other bloggers while expecting others to respect their point of view.

A bit like those who support certain entitlements can ‘cancel ‘ others expressing their viewpoint.

If you don’t like what someone has to say then don’t bloody read it .

I am of the opinion that we need and will need all those who want an independent country to be able to proclaim it loud and clear and in harmony .

Everybody involved at the organisational level of the independence movement, should start preparing today for two things;

1) the imminent departure of Sturgeon and her regime.
2) general mobilisation.

We will never have an opportunity again like the one that is about to present itself.

Additionally, everybody who supports independence needs to prepare to take part and throw their full support behind a reconfigured SNP which will have a new leadership team and a whole new strategy on independence.

This is it.

Polly, Salmond holding his nose for the greater good of independence…assumes that independence is something Sturgeon wants. Which, given her and the party’s (in)actions, more and more people are starting to doubt.

@Dorothy,

Bloggers points of view have influence. They either challenge you to think of what is the real truth, or offer you reaffirmation of what you want to believe.

WGD does the latter. He doesn’t want people in spite of evidence to dig too hard to upset the SNP apple cart. We should just accept it as part of a master plan which of course nobody knows anything about.

He ties himself in knots and when He switches position it is because of “reasons”. Of course then everybody chips in with well done, brilliant. He is probably a nice chap, but I’m afraid he has a part to play in keeping everybody dumbed down

He leads you up an alley of unquestioning obedience, which I think is unhealthy for anybody.

Dorothy Devine says:
30 September, 2020 at 2:16 pm
I find it puzzling that folk on here think it perfectly acceptable to attack other bloggers while expecting others to respect their point of view…

Aye, but that cuts both ways Dorothy.

I won’t get into a petty squabble about who started it, but Rev Stu has been properly vilified for writing what needed to be written, and now that his dire warnings are proving to be 100% accurate, it wouldn’t go amiss for some of his bitter critics to eat a slice of humble pie or two, and maybe even apologise.

Nobody in their right mind would have wanted these circumstances to arrive, but the SNP have nobody to blame but themselves for creating this mess.

To all those folks who say don’t rock the boat, wheesht for Indy, etc, I would ask them whether they’d be prepared to visit Alex Salmond, banged up in the sex offender’s part of the prison for crimes which never happened. How about Craig Murray if he’s put behind bars? Or Mark Hirst?

The irony is, it’s the people saying that democratic principle is sacrosanct and we need a “gold standard” referendum who are often the same ones who’d shrug their shoulders and look the other way while Alex Salmond had his life, legacy and reputation destroyed by a “gold standard” orchestrated conspiracy.

I want Independence for Scotland because it’s the right and upstanding thing to be done. I want rid of Sturgeon and her crooked pals for the same reasons. I see no conflict or incompatibility between such two notions.

Well, what can you say? 50+ year supporter of SNP, I have resigned my membership and joined ISP – don’t know how that will work out, but at least they make no bones about their desire for Independence NOW.

The current leadership are tainted. Why and how are questions that I do not think will be answered this side of Independence, but there should be little remaining doubt that there are serious problems at the heart of the SNP decision-making cabal.

I say this with a heavy heart as I thought in 2014 that Nicola Sturgeon was exactly the one to complete the job Alex Salmond started. How wrong I was and how easily we can be persuaded to back a horse that doesn’t even want to get into the starting stalls.

It is time for something new. Whether I stick with ISP, or if Stu starts an Independence Party I would back that one to the hilt. So,

WHEN will a change be made?
WHO will lead this change?
HOW will they campaign and win over electorate?
WHAT needs to be done to promote a genuine Independence Party?

Time is fast running out

@ Sarah at 1:13 pm

Mike Russell ? I’m not sure if it was him who had Murrell’s job before Murrell appeared or if it was another Micheal Russell.
If it was him his salary was £35K Murrell’s started at £100K

Murrell should be binned no question But if Sturgeon goes or stays the SNP have virtually the same problem in both cases
An issue arises from who to have in Government , a bunch of Wokies and Smith as leader
Cherry I believe would be favorite for lapsed members.
Of course if Sturgeon came clean and cleared out the NEC, that might tide off her getting binned, but that would only be very short term
Sturgeon and/or Murrell have turned over the SNP big time How much real damage ? At the moment I see it as permanent. Recoverable? Possibly
Would those who are leaving remain , if there was a change of regime? I couldn’t guess

This from WGD

” I watched Nicola today as I always do. Her ability to calmly and genuinely update the country on the way forward and to slap down the snide efforts of the “media” is a joy to behold. I have no doubt that she is raising the confidence of Scotland’s population one day at a time and that is ABSOLUTELY the key to our independence. It is confidence alone that will swing the vast majority of our populace behind our goal.

To be honest, I am a bit staggered myself by her level of ability. She is the leader we needed – no disrespect to those who came before her – to win. She has the humility that genuinely accomplished people have and that is highly valued in Scottish culture.

Happy days.”
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Honestly if arselicking was an olympic event he’d be a gold medalist 🙂