Wings Over Scotland

With Rheenhoort Leotard’s sudden and unexplained sacking. No one can now say North British labour is not totally controlled by London.

There is no Scottish political question to which North British Labour is the answer.

Effijy – I am fast reaching the conclusion that voting SNP under Nicola Sturgeon’s leadership will only result in genderwoowoo and humza useless’s hate crime bill. If we can’t replace her now – she will be more securely placed if she wins in May.

I also note, with growing alarm, that Rhiannon spears wants on the SNP list. Yet another reason to make your second vote for the ISP.

Great cartoon Chris – you have captured Ricard lederhausen’s uncanny norman wisdomesque persona.

Willie @7:54

“The cartoon could well be that of Sturgeon in the not too distant future.”

Except Willie, the door she’ll go through might be a lot more clinky.

“Davie Oga says:
16 January, 2021 at 7:30 am

As a small n nationalist I would obviously abstain or spoil, but if I were forced to vote, I would vote for a party led by Reinhardt Leopold before I would vote for the monstrosity that is the current incarnation of Scotgov.”

Then you’re actually a small-u unionist. Wake up.

Hud oan, because of events the cartoon was delayed a week, so how did Chris know that Roached Lemon would be out on his ear.

At least Scotched Labour keep one individual in a job. the person that has to continually replace the worn out bearings in that ever-birling revolving door.

@ kapelmeister

Unlike you to miss a gag, such as a possible stinty of clinky for blinky.

I can’t forget his part as union leader stopping the women of Glasgow getting equal pay and then as labour leader pretending labour had sorted it – it was the snp administration in Glasgow that sorted it. The Union even had the audacity to bring Glasgow women out on strike – and cost them more. Two faced liars have nothing on them.

I also can’t forget him asking NS to bring Scottish Water into public ownership – for all he has lived here a long time he knows nothing about Scotland. He does not do his homework about reserved matters and got caught out constantly because of this.

Lastly who ever suggests his questions for PMQ’s should be sacked – he is not capable or quick enough to change tack and even when given an answer he is unable to respond and just keeps reading from his crib sheet.

JB did not stand the last time – too busy saving her own neck – she knows a poison chalice when she sees one.

Good one Dan!

Neil Anderson @10:26

Spear does appear to be the Fuhrer’s favourite.

Ottomanboi says: 16 January, 2021 at 9:51 am

A MUST READ.
Given Scotland’s rulers are in the same self-righteous camp.
link to spiked-online.com

I had mentioned after Twitter banned Trump that social media would be different from what we know now.

I am not on social media nor am I interested in it. However, I have been aware over the years the arguments about due to these social media companies offering news from third parties whether they are just publishers or editors.

From the comments of various politicians, particularly here in the UK, it does sound like with Twitter and other social media companies banning Trump, they have crossed the line and become editors of news and therefore fall into the sphere of government legislation that regulates traditional news media.

Rather than Tech companies taking over, it will be governments taking over where these Tech companies toe the party line of the countries they work in or else they start getting taxed like what is happening in France.

Richard`s time in office from a quote by another Richard,

`I wasted time, and now doth time waste me.`

On a slightly different tack the news that Rhiannon Spear is headed to the Highland Regional list will be great help in ensuring that the voters don’t give their second vote to the SNP.

Revolving door for the revolting Spear she’s actually going to assist voting for the Indy list party.

But here’s, the big question. Who is going to stand in Blinky Clinky’s seat?

Colin Alexander 10.40

You reminded me of the bullshit we all took in when voting to send SNP MPs to London to fight the english prime minister on our behalf,,,

“Holding their feet to the fire”

“We will keep Westminster honest”

Talk about cringe, those words make me squirm with embarrassment and anger at being such a prick for taking in all the Blackford and Co bullshit.

Fuck off SNP.

And when are we going to start hearing of some kind of fightback from the likes of Cherry and her rebellious pop also. The silence is deafening.

When is somebody going to go toe to toe with that reprobate Sturgeon.

I ever get angry just writing about Sturgeon.

It can’t be Lennon.
How can you vote for a woman who says she was Ra*ed by a Senior Labour figure
but doesn’t think she should tell the police or expose him to stop any repeat.

It’s a hideous crime and yes I understand how some women cannot find the resolve to seek justice
but a leading female politician cannot be a success if they can let this like this go by.

Sarwar is desperate for the job and has the money to back himself.
I’m sure he can match Leonard’s poor efforts for 3 years like all the rest.

Ian Murray seems a good bet to me. He’s need to resign his Westminster seat first so it probably won’t happen.

At the moment, someone like him would transform Labour’s fortunes here.

Kapelmeister – nevertheless she may well come in through the bathroom window , shouting ” HELP ” !

I imagine it’s just another day in the life of Slab and whoever takes over will soon be yesterday’s news .

Best just to let it be

Robert Hughes

If Anas get’s it it’ll be Here Comes The Son.

If it’s Jackie Baillie it’s All You Need Is Lunch.

We can see from yesterday’s letter from Levy and McRae that there is unease at the impartiality of the Holyrood Inquiry convener, Linda Fabiani. I can only say that, from the beginning, when the names Fabiani and Baillie were announced, I thought that it would turn into another Holyrood stitch-up.

Is it not the Secretary of State for Scotland, under the terms of the devolution settlement, that should be in charge of investigations into breaches of the Ministerial Code?

Holyrood may carry-out the inquiry, but surely the results should be reported to him and if he is not satisfied with the fairness of the process or the conclusion, then he can instruct it to be done again?

Personally, I believe the conduct of Fabiani to be very far below that required to ensure fairness to all.

The arrogant tool has had a warning shot fired across her broad arse. Let’s hope she has the gumption to understand that it what it was and she ups her game considerably in the coming weeks.

There are many things that I did not admire about Alex Salmond but as a charismatic and dedicated leader, he stands head and shoulders above anyone on that Inquiry panel. I just found-out the other day that Angela Constance was once on the Inquiry team…..my God.

Pacman 10.35am

So Leonard being an englishman, (with an english accent), telling Scots they will NEVER have a Referendum on Scottish Independence, kinda put the brakes on any ambitions he had of becoming the First Minister of Scotland?

Geez peace with all the PC shit Pacman.

@ studhog on previous thread – “we need a good guys list for the list election”.

It is being worked on by Geoff Bush who did a list for the NEC elections and worked a treat with delegates belonging to the facebook site he set up “SNP Members for Independence”- the Rev gave him a slot on Wings back in October/November. Denise’s list was very similar and good work too.

Captain Yossarian says:
16 January, 2021 at 11:49 am

Quote

“Who was it that dispensed with ‘Free Legal Aid’? Who do you think?

Well, it was Nicola Sturgeon. Instead of a few million per year to provide law equally for all, she lavishes our money instead on spoof inquiries like Edinburgh Trams.

If there were to be a return in Scotland to equality of law for all, then I would fear for the future liberty of Sturgeon, Wolffe, Evans, Swinney and Murrell.

Hence, another of our egalitarian freedoms has been removed by Sturgeon never to return.”

Nods Head.

Reading through these columns it is obvious there are still far,far too many who either have their heads 2′ under the sand and believe that just a couple of votes will see everything right.

I fully understand the “irritation” to put it mildly, of those nationalists who have seen ZERO movement towards their goal.

And there are many more who see the current party of government as one beset with, basically, evil and see the only option is one of euthanasia and rebirth.

Playing it safe this week I see!

KP

“f Anas get’s it it’ll be Here Comes The Son.

If it’s Jackie Baillie it’s All You Need Is Lunch.”
——–

If either of them get it, it’s Yesterday 🙂

Willie 12.40pm

I kinda lost where you were going with your post.

Dan 12.46pm

I hope you don’t start going down the same road as a wee wummin who used to be on Wings and she posted a link to every link on the Internet LOL.

Can’t remember her name, but she went OTT with links.

kapelmeister says:
16 January, 2021 at 10:29 am
Neil Anderson @10:26

“Spear does appear to be the Fuhrer’s favourite”

There was a time when hyperbolic, Nazi, references were the preserve of deranged unionists unable to make a coherent argument. When the pseudo NGO “Rape Crisis Scotland” acts as the coordinated mouth piece of the regime it is comparable to
the German word Gleichschaltung.

“Synchronisation”

This was the progressive and coordinated utilisation of the civil service, media, and education system in order to impose policy from central government, and to crush real or imagined political threats.

Given that The Scottish Government has morphed into a criminal enterprise in order to protect the Fuhrer, I do not believe comparisons with the Nazi party are entirely inappropriate.

Alan D says:
16 January, 2021 at 9:47 am

“Then you’re actually a small-u unionist. Wake up.”

Alan, if you honestly think Scotgov have any intention of delivering a referendum, once this inconvenient exercise of carrot dangling is completed, I’d like you to know that my wife’s cousin is a prince in Delta State, Nigeria. He’s having a bit of difficulty in getting his money out the country. Very complicated. I am sure you are a trustworthy gentleman who would be able to help him, for a substantial fee of course. I also have a couple of investments that are guaranteed to deliver massive returns, but I am not at liberty to share this with everyone. I am only permitted to share this with special people like you. You deserve that financial freedom. Ring me.

And the rest of tabloids are very busy trying to instil in us, a mind set of too wee, too poor, too stupid,
As far as I can see every country is struggling right now, with so many people out of work, children not being educated, the nhs on its knees, all economies are struggling.
And Having been run by uk goverment for three hundred years or more, perhaps they are correct in one aspect,
We certainly have not thrived under the British goverment, we never did benifit from our oil, the Barnett formula, taxes being evenly spent, and nothing to replace the closing of our old industries, like boat building, coal mining, fishing, steel,
wind turbine and solar energy do not cut the mustard, it employs very few people and a lot of them come with the company, not the local population.
While the land belongs to a few rich people that mostly avoid living in Scotland.
A nation anywhere struggles when you take their ability away to educate the next generation, clothe, house and feed themselves, a nation deprived of all it’s foundations, will fail,
that seems to have been a long standing ambition from the British Parliament. To keep the blighters down.
Our last generation has also had problems in other countries not recognising Scottish qualifications, our children and grandchildren are going through the work and exams and then finding they have to do this all over again if they wish to work a few years outside of Scotland.
This is not all about the snp, I agree we have to deal with the issue of who is leading the devolved government at the moment,
However there must come a time soon when we change how we think, a devolved parliament for Scotland? A parliament on the restricted devolved scenario and overwhelming run by civil servants and tories, There is no opposition, with a few snp leading a false front. Results in What we see today, ie ,Alex Salmond and his family being accused, with the threat of false imprisonment,
This fake and false devolved goverment Will not lift the plight of the Scottish people, it was not meant too.

Davie Oga @1:02

Yes, gleichshaltung indeed. A good observation.

The reason we punched above our weight all these years was because our education system was unrivalled anywhere in the world.

Holyrood has fecked our education system and I mean all at Holyrood.

We cannot halt this managed decline until we sort-out education.

@ Rev: in case you haven’t already done so, will you please pass on to Mr Salmond the wish by many of us that he arrange a fundraiser for his legal costs?

The Labour branch officer gets booted out, the Dutch Government resigns, the Estonian Government resigns, Germany gets a new party leader – it’s just unconscionable madness.

They should have all remained at their posts in these difficult times, until the Coronavirus crisis has been dealt with…

@Saffron Robe says:
16 January, 2021 at 1:01 pm

The problem with harvesting all the data is the analysis..

it is easier to track what websites you visit, as more than a few criminals and terrorists have found out. But trying to monitor and identify the content and context of social media messages is like installing smoke detectors in Hell.

@Effigy

There is a problem. Return Ms Sturgeon with a majority for the next few years. We already know there will be no indyref soon, therefore Nicola can do whatever she likes with legislation, believing she is increasingly permitted by the majority.

Independence if carrying a lot of luck ,may come in the years ahead but we would have to live with renewed GRA and Hate crime Bills in the period between election and referendum.

Bravo CC.

In answer to RL.

NS. ‘I would remind the honourable gentleman, that Scottish Labour is a reserved matter, and to ask his MP to take it up’.
………

Media blackout continues..

More meat please Stu, since you seem to be the go to guy for releasing public interest material.

This is impressive!

link to twitter.com

OT

IOPRA 15 GENNAIO

This is how it starts……this is how we find our way back.

Hugo Talks on utub,e

@Famous15,

Where have you been. We have discussed this for nearly a year on this site. Rjght here. It was predicted and yet the SNP have done exactly what to counter it?

Discuss.

At this time there is no alternative unless a major group of players could put an
Independence Party together in a few weeks and raise millions to fund it.

Either that, or the existing Independence Party, the SNP, (remember them?), get’s over it’s mid-life crisis, purges itself of lunatics, weirdos, egotists, liars and charlatans, and decrees that the May Elections will be a thoroughly un-cluttered plebiscite on Independence…

Allow the Scottish people to register a democratic mandate for Scottish Independence that is neither jeopardised, preconditioned, or blackmailed, by the kamikaze lunacy of the SNP under the rogue leadership of Nicola Sturgeon.

Strikes me it is that which is Scotland’s make or break option… Giving Scotland a clear run at a binary choice on Independence, and an end, finally, to the mind-numbing prevarication and ‘gradualism’ of a useless SNP, grovelling for yet another free pass they haven’t earned.

Apparently Ricardo Montydon was elected simply as the ‘Anyone but Anas’ candidate. So I expect it will be Anas vs Anyone again.

Rinse and Repeat.

iain mhor says:
16 January, 2021 at 1:34 pm
The Labour branch officer gets booted out, the Dutch Government resigns, the Estonian Government resigns, Germany gets a new party leader – it’s just unconscionable madness.

“They should have all remained at their posts in these difficult times, until the Coronavirus crisis has been dealt with. ”

I think that’s very irresponsible of them.
They should have stayed until “after the economic effects of the virus have been dealt with”.Scotland is blessed that The Leader is still devoted to protecting us. Those politicians you mention all abandoned their people in their moment of greatest need. I believe that they felt under pressure because they were elected using systems where they can be removed from office due to ungrateful people voting. If they were in Scotland they could have remained. I feel more secure knowing that our Leader can be rejected by 90% of the people in her constituency but still remain in Parliament due to the party list. We all know that would never happen, because The Leader is the most popular politician in the world, but at least we have that security knowing our enemies can’t use electoral fraud to remove her.

@Effijy

The current SNP leadership are not moving Scotland towards Indy.

They ignore AUOB, have sidelined Yes in general, folded at the earliest opportunity over S30, are content to mess with hate legislation, gender woo-woo, etc., and have belatedly turned their limited attention to IndyRef2 because someone reminded them an election is around the corner and some of the peasantry are revolting.

As for Yoons at Holyrood?

Newsflash!!!

The Yoons at Westminster, NOT Holyrood, are the clear and present danger to Scotland.

Brexit showed how effective the SNP at Westminster are at protecting Scotland, therefore if Westminster wants to strip Holyrood of everything it currently does, it matters not whether SNP or Yoon coalition running Holyrood – Westminster will do what it wants to Scotland and the SNP will do nothing – whether in power at Holyrood or in opposition!

It will make no difference to Scotland whether I vote SNP 1 ISP 2 or SPOIL 1 ISP 2, except to me, in that I can sleep at night knowing I haven’t endorsed Sturgeon, Murrell & Co. continuing to shaft Scotland and anyone who threatens their regime.

If you do nothing else today read Craig Murrays latest blog.

It is damning and confirmstion of conspiracy. He has the relevant documents.

Beaker says:

“But trying to monitor and identify the content and context of social media messages is like installing smoke detectors in Hell.”

Beaker, I like your analogy which is a good one, but what about Cambridge Analytica and the influencing of public opinion via social media? There seem to be pretty sophisticated means of influence and manipulation at work.

I tend to think of the internet like the Oracle at Delphi – the answers can be somewhat ambiguous or in the form of a riddle. We really have to apply our own knowledge to make sense of things!

Well Mr. Yossarian
So you agree with Mr. Oga. You wanna apologies? Oh and “I want the Lord Advocate prosecuted”. Oh for fuck sake, have you not read ANY of the Rev’s work via FoI on the corruption in COPFS.

I note both of you are newish to here. Worth a watching, I’d say.

I’m brand new Katherine.

I had a look at Craig Murray’s work too, just earlier today.

He has an opinion on James Wolffe which is not too dissimilar to mine.

I do not expect for a moment that he will be prosecuted, but we have an ancient legal system in Scotland which promises the fair rule of law to all, whether rich or poor although it doesn’t quite work like that does it?

Would you rather hang me from a tree for being new on here?

Rev

Any reason why my comment at 12.47 is still in moderation.

Have I been bigly bad..?

katherine hamilton says:
16 January, 2021 at 3:11 pm
Well Mr. Oga,
Nice one. Effijay calls for voting SNP1 in May (as I am) and you call us Nazi appeasers/sympathisers. True colours, eh? Or are you going to apologise?

No I’m not going to apologise. There are clear parallels between the behaviour of this Scottish Government and the NSDAP and I wouldn’t be voting for them before a clear out of the criminals masquerading as Minister’s of State. You want to endorse them with your vote that’s your choice. Very few people who voted NSDAP were Nazi appeasers. They just wanted better for their nation.

Davie Oga

Thank you for your kindness.

It’s heartening that Stu Campbell, yourself, Craig Murray, Alex Salmond and many others now realise that Nicola Sturgeon and her cronies of the subservient SNP colonial administration are part of the problem, not the solution.

Nicola Sturgeon serves as a prime example of what happens when politicians are given unquestioning loyalty because they sometimes “talk the talk” about independence, usually at election time.

Restoration of national sovereignty and the asserting of the sovereignty of the people involves holding our parliamentarians and government to account.

It gives me hope that more of the sovereign people of Scotland now want to hold our Scottish politicians to account, Even when those politicians wear a yellow rosette and claim to be “pro-independence”.

No you’re right Captain Yossarian. Nevertheless, no one is exempt from prosecution.

“If SNP are not Number 1 then you are putting a Unionist Party in”

We already put a unionist party in in 2016. Since Sturgeon assumed control of the party, the SNP has become New labour sailing under a false flag.

When not a single SNP MSP has had the backbone to send an affidavit in support of the Keatings’ case and in support of popular sovereignty and the right of the people of Scotland to hold an independence referendum without having to ask consent from a foreign country, the SNP is in my eyes a unionist party.

The SNP has had FIVE YEARS to call a referendum. The only thing they have done is to make up excuses for not calling one. If now that somebody else is doing their work for them and actual voters are footing the bill for the cost of the court case the SNP MSPs don’t even have the balls to support, frankly to pretend they are still a pro-independence party is as credible as the tooth fairy.

No mandate for independence and/or no apology to Mr Salmond and/or no kicking Sturgeon out = no vote from me.

Didn’t the SNP charlatans tell us hundreds of times that we need to reach 60% before we can even consider ending the union? Well then, what better way of achieving it than putting one of the other useless parties in control of Holyrood so the no voters can see without any kind of shielding what they voted for. I am sure not only we will reach 60%, we will surpass it in a flash. So bring it on.

Now that may focus the minds of the sleepy SNP MPs: unless they put their arses in gear, they will be next to be shown the door.

“But they have a secret plan”

Turns out their plan is not secret anymore: their plan was to use millions of taxpayers’ cash and abuse our justice system to do the dirty work on behalf of Westminster of throwing Mr Salmond away from politics, to surrender our assets, rights, sovereignty and markets to England and to forever render worthless our democracy, parliament, justice system, females’ rights, freedom of speech and independence.

They can stick their fkng plan and their fraud of a leader where the sun does not shine.

@Bob Mack says:
16 January, 2021 at 1:25 pm
A dictatorial leader with a liking for Spier?.No no juxt no.

As far as I know, she isn’t an architect…

George Rutherford @ 10.33

Interesting that you should highlight the importance of language when it comes to the question of independence, the latter a choice which is largely dependent on one’s national identity and sense of belonging, the basis of which is language and culture.

Hence most peoples in self-determination conflict are linguistically (and thus culturally) divided and the Scots are no different.

As I found in my research (see ‘Doun-Hauden’) language is a fundamental determinant of Scottish independence. Maist Scots speakers vote Aye, maist Anglophone’s vote Naw. Much as we can see by who sits where in Holyrood.

Which also explains why our colonial oppressor refuses tae teach Scots bairns thay’re ain langage.

@Cath 4.42pm

It’s a good aim, but I fear we’re already too late. There is little sign of the ISP reaching escape velocity, altho’ I hope they do secure some seats and give both the yoon seat warmers and SNP gradualists a bit of a shock. As you correctly surmise, the issue is the lack of big names and the fact they haven’t had enough time (and probably lack the resources) to make enough of an impact in time for #HR2021.

I’d definitely give them my list vote if they stand candidates. I won’t vote SNP now, not in Edinburgh Central. I’d sooner spoil my ballot than vote for Robertson or indeed for the mess that is the current SNP.

I fear Angus MacNeil is right (according to reports of his appearance on Mark McNaught’s radio show – I haven’t heard it yet….) the earliest we can now expect any progress in 2026.

The pertinent question for those disillusioned with the SNP and current direction of the movement is: what do we do about it. 5 years is a fair amount of time.

@James Che

I read it earlier too, James. I think that anyone reading this would conclude likewise. It makes you wonder why we our attention is focused on the Holyrood Inquiry. They are not going to investigate themselves. This is an Inquiry which should be run by the Secretary of State.

It’s all going to come-out in the end anyway. At the speed it is moving just now that could be very soon indeed. If Holyrood continue to fart around wasting everyone’s time, then it will be to their own detriment in the end.

I wonder how scotlands relatively sluggish vaccination programme will effect mays election. England is vaccinating nearly 300,000 people a day now a massive increase over what it was a week ago. In Scotland we are only vaccinating roughly 15,000 day and it seems to have stalled at around that figure. That means they are vaccinating people in England twice as fast than in Scotland and that gap is only likely to get bigger in the next few weeks.

It looks like the Scottish government just haven’t done enough preparations for a mass vaccination programme that they knew was coming for months. According to the health secretary they are still scoping out suitable locations for mass vaccination centres and don’t expect any to be open until early march, while they are already open in England.

This scottish government normally doesn’t shy away from making comparisons to england but in this case according to them comparisons are “unhelpful”.

I have been reading Craig Murray’s latest comments, and definitely agree the lord advocate needs to come under the law as much as murrell and associates.
When police and witnesses are placed under pressure by murrell and txt friends to act and behave in such a way that jeopardises and threatens a mans freedom is conspiring to alter the course of justice, and then the advocate surely seems very keen on keeping it all under wraps.
The rest, Begs the the question as to whom is actually running the devolved government?

I will add that this says a lot more about the snps position in holyrood as well, if the devolved government in Scotland is actually being ran by civil servants, a lord advocate, Tory members and Murrells txt friends friends an all, there is no doubt about the strangle hold they have on this devolved government, it would appear that the unionists are running the our devolved government from the inside.
Sorry to keep repeating this but we do need a people’s parliament more than ever, chosen by the people, it will be the only way forward in the future to ensure that the the people we voted in, are the actual people sitting there.

Craig Murray’s blog today is astonishing. Murrell is one of the worst rogues in Scottish history, but the establishment is defending him all the way.

An aside…. I knew Richard Lochhead, Andrew Wilson and Mike Russell back in the day and none of them struck me as being very keen on independence… politics was their profession.

I bet for snp graduations like them this is an awful time… trying to stop independence from happening during their career.

It used to be said that the Brutish Labour Party could put a red rossete on a donkey and the citizens of Scotland would still vote for it,

Brutish Labour Party are still putting up donkeys but the citizens of Scotland have become more educated and have moved on.

I would like to see Sturgeon next out the door but with the extent of the collusion being highlighted on Craig Murray’s blog, when will this ever happen?

Also like others, unless there is a plebiscite HE21, I will not vote SNP 1 and I have been voting SNP since the early 70s, if there was a candidate on the ballot

Effijy
There is a belief that jabs just hasten the death of those of advanced years. Expecting elderly immune systems to cope with an injection of a disease, for that is the principle of vaccination, the subject may not have had is playing russian roulette with their lives.
The deaths in Norway, albeit using the Pfizer vax, is indicative. The marketing of Covid vaccination as the golden bullet of immunity ought to be treated with a large dose of scepticism.
The eugenics theme in the promotion by the likes of Gates, in particular the trials in Africa, should give cause for alarm.
In countries with young populations Covid is no worse than flu, in the ageing ‘West’ it has acquired the nature of a plague.
The human race has survived for millennia owing to the natural acquisition of immunity which the « lockdown » has impeded. Darwini that may be but nature will out, nature performs better than any genetic cocktail confected in a lab.
However, pharma companies can’t make $€¥ out of that.

Cath says:
The Louisa Jordan is now being used as a mass vaccination centre – 5,000 a day from today.

My daughter in law, who is a care worker in an assisted living house, got her first jab there yesterday.

Katherine Hamilton. You are absolutely correct with the logic of SNP and ISP or other.

One small problem is that the SNP under Sturgeon is promoting SNP 1 and 2 for narrow party partisan reasons. Not for nicola a super indy majority but rather a target of a slim majority if the constituency polls hold up.

Nor the removal of horde of unionist labour Conservative and lib dem seats. But as Councilor Mhairi Hunter actual said on Twitter we need to be fair to unionists!

Yep, SNP 1 and ISP 2 is good but only if we get the current leadership sorted. And sort it we will.

@Saffron Robe says:
16 January, 2021 at 3:08 pm
“Beaker, I like your analogy which is a good one, but what about Cambridge Analytica and the influencing of public opinion via social media? There seem to be pretty sophisticated means of influence and manipulation at work.”

Ooh, forgot about them. I was referring to inward social media messages, rather than the manipulation of outbound messages. Good point.

@Willie says:
16 January, 2021 at 7:05 pm

How about:
Vote 1 should be the party that was 3rd place in the last election in the constituency vote.

Vote 2 ISP.

I’ll let someone else do the calculations…

Ocht ffs bipod.

Now you’re onto the vaccines to attack Scotland. Give it a rest ya clown will yi.

England has different population densities and we rely on thon Westmoster for vaccine supply ( a mistake as far I’m concerned) Should have ordered our own and feck Westmonster.

Also there’s a big hospital location in glasgow doing thousands a day right now ya rocket .Big pictures all over the bloody news.

Anyhow why the fuck do you care? Is just a wee flu to you so you won’t need it,! One less to worry about along with a few of your anti vaxxer mates.

If we listen to the solid SNP supporters of Nicola,they believe those that follow Wings and the likes of Craig Murray, are irrelevant and nothing but a minority.

They feel the opinion lolls may well indicate an SNP landslide in the election. Clearly they belive therefore that shutting up for Indy is important, without the slighest shred of evidence that Indy or even a referendum is actually going to be offered. All I have seen is the possibility of a Draft Bill discussion and I do check these things.

My reasoning therefore leads me to not voting SNP on the constituency, as they seem to think it is not required in any event but voting ISP on the list. Mighty oaks from little acorns etc. I will negate my constituency vote(Wishart).

If I and fellow Wingers and Salmond supporters views are expendable then so is my vote.

How come the people we pay to represent us get away with it you might ask?

Consider for a minute just how many of our MP’s & MSP’s owe their position (and their big fat salary) to quotas & nepotism? Too many are so happy with their well paid job that they’ll willingly toe the party line without question no matter what they happen to think about independence.

Tom Kane says:
16 January, 2021 at 8:23 am
We are going to need a strong Scottish Labour party very, very shortly.

The Labour movement in an independent Scotland is going to be a total riot! I can’t wait! Anyone who denies the Labour Theory of Value is getting heavy pelters!

So much of this ongoing chatter about what to do with both our votes at the next Scottish Parliament election is pretty much pointless until specific manifestos are published by the Parties.
The circumstances Scotland finds itself in at this particular time, means there should be separation of the two processes that require to be dealt with.

1 : Determining who we vote for to be our next Government Administration at Holyrood in control of the limited devolved powers that reside there, and the policies those Parties will implement.
2 : Determining our mandated choice to vote on whether we should return to being a self-governing country.

It’s utter bollox that these two separate matters should be intertwined, as folk will be casting their votes for individuals and Parties for differing reasons, meaning the result isn’t a true democratic singular statement or mandate for anything.

“Vote for SNP to progress and implement Scotland returning to self governing status” – That sounds good! – Ballot Paper marked with an X for SNP
But…
“Vote for SNP to ignore that ^^^ and progress the implementation of genderwoowoo and free speech constraints, oh, and give tacit consent to continue the shitstate of affairs they are currently embroiled in)” – Fuck that! – Why even go to the polling station…

All this factional divisive crap that we are seeing from Fundies and Gradualists is because there has not be separation of the two significant matters that Scotland requires to be resolved in the near future.

Saffron Robe and Ottomanboi .

Why don’t you find a time machine somewhere and go live in your alternate
reality and give us all peace. Things have moved on and we tend to try carefully stop viruses and disease in the mordern day. We don’t tend to rely on witch doctors and religious freaks to help these days.

Saffron Robe/Ottomanboi

Some more context:

“BBC (2013): Why does being lonely make you ill?”

link to bbc.co.uk

“NHS (2015): Loneliness ‘may affect the immune system”

link to nhs.uk

Bipod, Idiot Ottomanboi
Agree with you.
Throughout time, there have been all sorts of natural disasters, plagues, you name it which have thinned out and refreshed the human race.
In the grand scheme of things, Covid is a trifle.
The problem today is that everybody can’t accept death as the only certainty in life. We all seem to want eternal life and, if it goes wrong, there has to be someone to blame – politicians!!
Understandably, they do anything to keep the death rate down even at the expense of everything else.
Time to accept a higher death rate and get living again.

I am glad they finally found a use for NHS louisa white elephant jordan, about time if you ask me. NHS Scotland can’t be so overwhelmed if they can turn the whole place over for vaccinations.

I am not against the vaccine but I do think covid hysteria has been massively overhyped. Mass vaccination seems to be the only thing now that will return the people to their senses so that we can end the lockdowns and restrictions so it needs to be done as fast as possible, every single month of this is wiping billions off the economy and ruining society.

I was just pointing out that we have an election coming up in may and if England (or any of the other nations in the UK for that matter) is able to vaccinate a substantially larger proportion of its population than Scotland then it isn’t going to play so well for the SNP, the comparisons will be inevitable. And don’t give me that population density nonsense the vast majority of the population lives in the central belt and east coast.

Death rate in Sweden (no lockdown, but sensible measures to protect the vulnerable) sits at 0.099% of population.

UK with Her lockdown madness is 0.129%

Not exactly the stuff of nightmares.

And we are incapable of having a grown up conversation about how to get this thing into perspective.

There is zero evidence lockdowns work. Zero. And the evidence is now pointing in the opposite direction.

Hatuey

How sure are you that people will have a choice about taking the vaccine?

To keep everyone else ‘safe’ those who refuse it will be denied access to flights, theatres, cinemas, supermarkets and possibly even medical care. This is the conversation as SARS2 mutates (completely normal for a virus experiencing herd immunity) with Politicians warning of ‘regular vaccines’, even twice per year.

If anyone takes the view that that is their own choice – that those who refuse should experience social exclusion and punishment – fine, so long as they know what that makes them.

Many a blind eye was turned after the Allies rolled across Europe.

I am glad they finally found a use for NHS louisa white elephant jordan, about time if you ask me

Pay attention. It’s been in use for months for routine surgery and training of nurses.

Bipod. You’re wrong again. The Louise Jordan has been getting used for months on certain out patient treatments and also training nurses and health care workers. Don’t let the facts get in the way eh.

There is NO FUCKING DATA that lockdown mitigations DON’T WORK is more the point.

That’s for you too ya clown ‘the idiot’t