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    1. Breeks says:

      Man that’s cruel, but brilliant.

    2. I appreciate this might be an unppopular stance, but, I looked-up Williamson’s profile. He went to a comprehensive school in Scarborough, then on to the University of Bradford.

      Therefore, by definition he: “Isn’t one of us.” Not a public schoolboy, not Oxbridge, not a Bullingdon Boy.

      OK, he could still have done it, but, lacked the support network or the belief, ingrained into him over the generations: rules don’t apply to me, or the similarly ingrained ability to do what he likes and not worry about the consequences – consequences being for the little people

    3. Pressed go too soon.

      So, what I am saying is, perhaps he didn’t do it, but, one of the ruling elite, well-versed in nefarious political practices did it and hid.

      We are dealing with Toerags here, anything is possible.

    4. manandboy says:

      Acidic – but brilliant. Well done, Chris.

    5. Fergus Green says:

      Hard to imagine, a Tory minister without a pot to piss in.

    6. Robert Louis says:

      Man, that is brilliant.

      I actually think he didn’t do it – the leak, not the wee – but he has been used as the fall guy, or was set up.

      You need to remember he was chief whip prior to defence, so he no doubt had many who would like to see him punished. The whole thing stinks – the leak, not the wee- to high heaven, of Tory vested interests, with so many Tory scumbags actually employed by Huawei.

      I think this will run and run – the leak, not the wee- since Williamson is sounding pretty aggrieved, and as ex chief whip he will know ‘dirt’ on people.

      What a thoroughly dysfunctional Tory government it is. Thousands of seats lost in English council elections, and still the clown Theresa won’t go. The public don’t want her, Tories don’t want her and Parliament doesn’t want her. What an utter sad sack of a creature she is, clinging on to her job. Pathetic.

      And despite all of this, Corbyn and Labour is still unelectable.

    7. manandboy says:

      Still waiting on the ‘leak enquiry’ into Ruth Davidson’s relationship with the postal vote in Indy2014. No wetting the floor with Ruth though, Donalda MacKinnon makes sure Ruth is pamper protected every day. Yes, Ruth is certainly pampered by the BBC, in more ways than one. Too late though for Gavin.

    8. jimnarlene says:

      Brutal, but funny!

    9. Cubby says:

      Brilliant just brilliant.

    10. Robert Louis says:

      Oh, I’ve just realised. This sacking was done to appease the Chinese government. Williamson upset them recently, leading to trade talks collapsing, and I do not doubt The Government was told by the Chinese ambassador, that trade talks could resume if he was sacked. Sp Theresa had to find an excuse to sack him. They knew he wasn’t well liked.

      By sacking him due to the leak, even although he was innocent, they achieved two things. Firstly, they appeased the chinese (just watch as trade talks resume shortly), AND they end speculation over what is an incredible major security breach at the heart of government. Williamson was asked to resign, but refused, so had to be sacked, and that is why it got messy. Had he played ball, and meekly resigned, the spads in 10 Downing street would have been high-fiving all afternoon.

      But it didn’t quite go to plan. Like I say, the whole things stinks. They still do not really know who the leak came from.

    11. Clootie says:

      I suspect he didn’t do it. However they needed a fall guy to protect the true source.
      Why no investigation, Why no police involvement? Why was the story leaked? Why has the Telegraph reporter not been interviewed?

    12. Ravelin says:

      If Williamson was the source of the leak then he should be prosecuted for breaking the Official Secrets Act. The fact the May has refused to refer it to the police to me smacks of her not being anywhere near as convinced of his guilt as she is publically claiming. She’s not going to risk a police investigation that might prove he was innocent, she was wrong, and someone ‘more important’ was the guilty party. Like everything about this incompetent shower at Westminster, it stinks to high heaven.

    13. Bob Mack says:

      If you hing with the craws. ye get shot with the craws.

      He’s hung about many Tory craws through choice ,so—-

    14. silverfox says:

      Isn’t the joke the way the soldiers and the tank are pointing ?

    15. Xaracen says:

      A widdle boy done it and ran away!

    16. Orri says:

      This has echoes of the whole Frenchgate thing but without the common sense to do it on a Friday so there’s a weekend before the truth can be investigated.

      In that case I believe it was Charmichael’s SPAD who leaked making it two steps removed from Mundell. But not actually alleviating him from his responsibility under the Ministerial Code which still bound him even during an election.

      However there is little to no chance of any trial under the Official Secrets Act as it is optional due to the fact that the trial itself might reveal more than the leak itself. Speaking of which there I remember vaguely the MoD choosing not to prosecute a naval rating for blowing the whistle on nuclear subs and contamination for similar reasons.

      An investigation, however, might be expected. Williamson is kind of in the position Salmond has been placed but unless he finds some way of clearing his name or take it to court has less hope of recovery.

    17. Sinky says:

      Anti Gaelic and Scottish Studies letter writers out in force in North Briton newspaper this morning.

      Also is it not time a decent economist tackled Scotland in Union’s doom and gloom merchant Ronald Macdonald in The Herald letter pages.

    18. Sunshine says:

      I wonder why the soldiers and the tanks are pointing at the very sheepish looking Mr Hammond?
      Fabulous etching detail in the cartoon Chris.
      Quality.

    19. Hamish100 says:

      Sorry at the sight of the cartoon I had to run. It’s an age thing.

      Getting the train from Kilwinning to head up for the march in the next hour or so. Enjoy.

    20. Sharny Dubs says:

      Nice one Chris! What’s wrong with a bit of acid brutality haha

    21. Abulhaq says:

      Tory cheerleader Davidson wants Scotland to be a country that can, her boss wants a Scotland that can’t if the the anglocentric Union says no.
      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/04/ruth-davidson-urge-voters-back-global-vision-scotland
      ‘Global vision’ sounds familiar.

    22. robertknight says:

      That takes care of the piss – just the wind left…

    23. Papko says:

      Robert Louis @ 7.57am.

      I had forgotten about that Sabre rattling he had done against China a few month prior.
      Your analysis rings true to me.

    24. Valerie says:

      Haha, brilliant.

      Let’s give thanks this diddy is gone, before we were taken into WW3. Thankfully the Chinese only refused to talk trade when he last insulted them.

    25. Abulhaq says:

      From Wiki.
      To his dismay, the teenage Ralph Miliband came across antisemitism in London. In a diary entry made shortly after he arrived in Britain, he wrote:
      “The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world … When you hear the English talk of this war you sometimes almost want them to lose it to show them how things are. They have the greatest contempt for the continent in general and for the French in particular. They didn’t like the French before the defeat … Since the defeat, they have the greatest contempt for the French Army … England first. This slogan is taken for granted by the English people as a whole. To lose their empire would be the worst possible humiliation”
      There you have it, the essence of Unionism.

    26. Xaracen says:

      Dammit, the Rev Stu beat me to it!

    27. Footsoldier says:

      Any chance of pictures from Tory Conference to see how big the attendance is? BBC are showing only from rear of hall and from where seats are occupied.

    28. Calum McKay says:

      I believe Williamson lacks the intelligence to wet himself, he’s the fall guy for someone else.

      An inquiry is a must, this incident must not be swept under the carpet, it lets May and others offf the hook!

    29. Abulhaq says:

      Some English commentators simply do not get Scottish politics.
      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/03/ruth-davidson-tories-scottish-conservative
      And she’s an on trend lesbian mother too……every party should have one.
      Gay or straight, left or right, for our precious Union we’ll fight.

    30. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Plans to attack Holyrood under way already:

      “The Scottish Government is very good at using money that it gets form Westminster to claim it is delivering them – actually it is the UK Government that is providing this and leading the way on budgets.”

      http://archive.is/Kwkoq

      aka We want to take the credit for the SNPs good governance

      and Ross Thomson MP supposedly held a fringe meeting at the Tory conference on ways to dissolve The Scottish Parliament.

    31. auld highlander says:

      Footsoldier at 9.41

      There’s a good photo of just over a hundred incontinent overweight booze soaked old bus pass spongers over on Craig Murray’s pages.
      https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/05/bbc-lying-propaganda-and-the-tory-party-scottish-conference/

    32. Gullaneno4 says:

      Something smelly about May’s desperation to draw a line under the leak.

      11 minute call from Williamson to the Telegraph on his phone though. How can he explain that one away.
      He just may be a self promoting bully and liar ala Carmichael.

    33. Footsoldier says:

      Compare today’s newspaper English and Scottish press editions on BBC website. In Scotland The Telegraph, Scotsman and Express are in extremis with their attack headlines against SNP. The Mail as is usual when there is bad news for the Tories has a different topic and doesn’t mention Tory woes. No mention of SNP in English editions.

      What a great weapon to have. Scottish newspapers controlled from London who dictate what to say and have their own newspaper editions especially for that. We are winning slowly but surely and momentum will increase.

      It would be interesting to see the attendance at the Scottish Tory Conference in Aberdeen – some pictures would be good. Forget BBC, they only show pictures from back of hall starting where seats are occupied so that it looks full or they pan the camera selectively.

    34. jfngw says:

      Wouldn’t surprise me if the PM office didn’t arrange the leak so someone could be fired to prove how ‘strong’ she is. He’ll be back soon enough I suspect, he’s just on the Amber light just now.

      Ruth Davidson distancing herself from any bad EU results, apparently parenthood makes it impossible to keep up with what is going on in politics. It will be ‘someone else did it and ran away’, but now I’m back things are once again on track. Poor old Jackson Carlaw going to be praised as he is effectively thrown under the bus.

    35. Giving Goose says:

      Certain Tory Establishment figures sold out to the Chinese. They are trying to hide the fact that they have been bought by a foreign government.

    36. jfngw says:

      I’m still perplexed as to how Ruth Davidson thinks they can be the largest party after over sixty years of rejection. I would be more likely to cut off my hands than ever let me put a cross against their names.

      A truly Scottish Labour party could attract me in an independent Scotland, but they would have to up their game on the mediocrity that currently inhabits their seats.

    37. Robert Peffers says:

      From a Guardian article about Rooth the mooth:-

      ” … Launching a two-year campaign to become the first Scottish Conservative government in 2021, she is expected to warn that the SNP will continue arguing “that they can’t make things better without putting us all through another referendum first”.”

      I have to wonder at that phrase, “putting us through another referendum first”. Does it not, perhaps, have the ring of abject terror about it?

      This beggars the obvious question of, “What is it about another referendum that so frightens all segments of the unionist political spectrum?”

      Just what is so fear inducing about a referendum? Why the overblown reactions against the Scottish electorate marking a wee cross on a ballot paper?

      Unless, of course, it isn’t fear of a referendum, per se, but the fear of the result of that particular referendum.

      Now while I cannot accept their terror of referendums as a concept I can understand it as fear of facing losing their, “Precious”. union. For with the ending of the United Kingdom the Kingdom of Scotland will remain firmly attached physically to the Kingdom of England.

      While both former United Kingdom partners in the, “Precious”, union remain solidly static, what figuratively sails off into the distance from a unionist perspective is the Westminster cash cow, the fabled, “Westminster money tree”, that are the physically real natural fixed assets of The Kingdom of Scotland.

      These have kept the good ship England afloat for over 300 years.

      Now I can understand THAT inducing fear and terror in even the staunchest unionist heart.

    38. Tam Fae Somewhere says:

      One way to interpret the numbers of people at the Tory conference in Aberdeen is that the tories lost over 6 times that number of councillors on Thursday

    39. admiral says:

      OT But I wonder why there hasn’t been any more outrage at Gove’s threat for the UK government to take control of some of the Scottish Government’s budget and run public services in Scotland from Westminster. This is the thin end of the wedge of unwinding the devolution “settlement” and the eventual downgrading of the Scottish Parliament.

      Imagine if they start with taking the NHS commissioning budget under control and start selling off bits of the SNHS to Virgin Care and the likes. Then they take the education budget and start selling off Scottish schools to privately run academies. Then they come for Scottish Water and sell it off to their spiv buddies in the City. Etc, etc.

      We need to organise against this threat now.

    40. jfngw says:

      If Ruth Davidson thought she could win a referendum she would be charging along Princes Street on the back of a buffalo with a ‘Bring It On’ flag. She knows she is on a loser and her way of winning is to prevent the contest. Behind the bravado lurks a coward, you know the types that are fictional corporals (Dad’s Army type).

    41. DerekM says:

      Poor wee tory got left holding the pot of piss,he is not very clever for a tory,i wonder if he will squeal like a pig stuck under a rusty gate.

      Excellent work Mr Cairns lol

    42. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      “We need to organise against this threat now.” @admiral says at 10:18 am

      Wonder what all the Red Tories and their Trades Unions (and the other Political Parties in Scotland) will say about this?

      They’ve been agitating EssEnnPeeBaad re SNHS, Teachers, Police Ship Yards, Council cuts etc. etc.

      But if Westminster dictates spending on devolved issues in these areas (and the impact this will have on the employees within them) then they will soon resemble the ones South of the border.

      Hollowed out shells and properly in crisis.

      Scottish Water will also no doubt be privatised under Gove’s Environmental Brief.

      These are the threats (and actions) which will make up the minds of Soft NOs and push us over the line in IndyRef2.

      Get it spread far and wide:

      ONLY INDEPENDENCE CAN PROTECT SCOTTISH PUBLIC SERVICES, especially the SNHS.

    43. Capella says:

      Amused though I am at Gavin Spoilt Brat Williamson’s undignified demise, he could go to the police and file a complaint against himself. The police would then be obliged to investigate.

      He should join a Trade Union as well. They don’t like taking up complaints after the event but a wrongful dismissal case could be very interesting in these circumstances.

    44. Mad Unionist says:

      Joke an eese blawhard @ 10:18am. The only way to save our public services is the Scots paying more income and council tax and not scrounging from the English Taxpayer.

    45. Ghillie says:

      Oh Chris, his wee face.

    46. Ghillie says:

      To all Wingers on the march today:

      May the fourth be with you =)

      Have a fabulous day 🙂

    47. Dr Jim says:

      The Labour party as their name describes always promising to give birth to something wonderful but never does, hence Labour is always in Labour

    48. Robert Peffers says:

      @Mad Unionist says: 4 May, 2019 at 10:56 am@

      ” … Joke an eese blawhard @ 10:18am. The only way to save our public services is the Scots paying more income and council tax and not scrounging from the English Taxpayer.”

      Oh! Dear!

      If you can show actual proof of that claim Mad English Nationalist I’ll vote Tory at the next election or referendum whichever comes first.
      Well can you punk?

    49. admiral says:

      Jockanese Wind Talker says:
      4 May, 2019 at 10:36 am
      “We need to organise against this threat now.” @admiral says at 10:18 am
      Wonder what all the Red Tories and their Trades Unions (and the other Political Parties in Scotland) will say about this?
      They’ve been agitating EssEnnPeeBaad re SNHS, Teachers, Police Ship Yards, Council cuts etc. etc.

      Exactly. And you can bet your life that there will be no SVSL in these decisions. Scottish MPs will vote in a large majority against them and English Tory votes (aided and abetted by their Yoon pals in the English Labour and Lib Deb ranks) will allow them to pass.

    50. galamcennalath says:

      Great cartoon, great message, as usual.

      auld highlander says:

      https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/05/bbc-lying-propaganda-and-the-tory-party-scottish-conference/

      It is understandable that BritNat media will try to promote their Union and attack the existential threat from Scotland. Only an idiot would stil claim the BBC is nothing other than a propaganda device – it’s up to its eyes in the Keep The UK campaign.

      Equally, it’s obvious why they pick individuals and promote them while also covering their backs. They choose safe simple folks – certainly no one capable of thinking too much.

      However …. just look at that hall ‘full’ of Tories. It’s a pathetic pro Union rally. Insignificant. Nothing more than a (fake) photo opportunity for their chosen ones.

      For me, it highlights that there are no longer any significant BritNat grassroots. There doesn’t even seem to be any political organisation with policies beyond SNPBaaad and No-IndyRef2. All that’s left is fakery and fabrication.

      Their Union can’t survive long on smoke and mirrors.

      Meanwhile in Glasgow something totally different is stirring!

    51. Mad Unionist says:

      Robert Peffers @ 11:08am. I need to prove that paying more money into the public services will improve the public services!

    52. galamcennalath says:

      Re Davidson as FM.

      I fear she might be if the combined BritNat MSPs after 2021 is greater than the number of SNP+Green MSPs.

      The BritNats will form a pro UK government in Holyrood if they have a majority even if the SNP is the biggest party. Which BritNat becomes FM probably depends on which of Lab or Tory has most MSPs.

      On the plus side, the whole Brexit debacle may finally burst the Tories’ wee bubble in Scotland. So far they’ve avoided being tarnished by WM Tory antics courtesy of tame media.

      A lot of water down the Clyde, Tay, and Spey before 2021. I certainly hope we’ve had a successful YES vote before then!

    53. Hamish100 says:

      Nearly at Glasgow Central.

      Shereen and ex Labour MP on the election last week. What does this say about the nation says Shereen?
      The nation the nation.

      Yip No mention of Scotland on BBC Scotland

    54. naina tal says:

      jfngw at 10.05:
      She doesn’t actually say they’ll be the largest party. All it takes is a unionist majority. She’s looking to be the leader of the resulting coalition.
      Not too far fetched and fucking worrying. Somehow we need to get out of this one sided treaty before 2021.

    55. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Crying with laughter at the previously discounted fallacy regurgitated at 10:56 am from the Mad Onionist.

      But remember that this is ALL they have left to defend ‘The Precious Union’.

      Previously discounted lies, bare faced threats and a Fictional future First Minister.

      Deployed against the most politically aware electorate anywhere in Europe (possibly the world) via the British Nationalist Media (BBC in particular).

      NOTHING ELSE.

      That is why there is now a concerted effort to end democracy in Scotland by the Tories.

      The GSTQ & Her Neo Fascist Right Wing Regime at Westminster can’t win so are looking to change the rules of the game.

      Tick, Tock….

    56. Robert Peffers says:

      @Mad Unionist says: 4 May, 2019 at 11:17 am:

      ” … Robert Peffers @ 11:08am. I need to prove that paying more money into the public services will improve the public services!”

      No! You need to prove Westminster gives Scots a bigger per capita sum than other parts of the union, (including England).

      Not doing so proves you have no idea what the Barnett Formula is designed to do nor how devolution is supposed to work. This is because the idiotic claims you have just made prove you don’t know what you are talking about, (Now there’s a surprise)!

    57. Mad Unionist says:

      JWT @ 11:29am. The usual neo fascist gobbledegook from the the real nationalist anti democratic forces. And how much Scottish taxpayers money will be handed over to the unelected EU cabal?

    58. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      All I can suggest @admiral says at 11:09 am is get the message out.

      Letters in the paper, write to your MP, MSP, Councillors, stick it on social media (hopefully IndyPosterboy Colin Dunn will have some eye catching visuals), drop it into conversation with everyone you speak to, even total strangers.

      The BritNat News agencies Anglo-centric view of the UK means that everyone in Scotland who gets their news from the TV knows about stabbings in London and the cuts to Police services there, the horror stories of patients lying (and dying) in hospital corridors, Schools asking parents to but toilet rolls and books.

      Let them all know this is Scotland’s future when Gove and his ilk take away Holyrood’s powers.

      ONLY INDEPENDENCE CAN PROTECT SCOTTISH PUBLIC SERVICES!

    59. Petra says:

      Thanks for the cartoon Chris. Brilliant as usual.

      ………………………..

      WGD:- ‘What can’t be fixed must be left behind.’

      https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2019/05/03/what-cant-be-fixed-must-be-left-behind/

      ……………………..

      ‘Downing Street caught out secretly polling Scots voters on independence.’

      http://www.thenational.scot/news/17618282.downing-street-caught-out-secretly-polling-scots-voters-on-independence/

      ………………………..

      ‘Is McWhirter’s Federalism really a respectable position for the Scotland we want when we must then embrace this?’

      https://thoughtcontrolscotland.com/2019/05/04/is-mcwhirters-federalism-really-a-respectable-position-for-the-scotland-we-want-when-we-must-then-embrace-this/

      ……………………………

      More from Professor John Robertson:-

      https://thoughtcontrolscotland.com/

    60. Robert Peffers says:

      @Mad Unionist says:4 May, 2019 at 11:38 am:

      … And how much Scottish taxpayers money will be handed over to the unelected EU cabal?”

      What, “unelected EU cabal”, might that be, Mad English Nationalist?

      Looks like you don’t know how the EU works as well as having no idea how the United Kingdom government works, (or rather how the United Kingdom Government doesn’t work).

      Can you explain who it is in the EU government who is not elected?

    61. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      “…how much Scottish taxpayers money will be handed over to the unelected EU cabal?” you ask @Mad Unionist says at 11:38 am

      A lot fucking less than is currently handed over to the Westminster Treasury and for a greater rate of return (as Scotland farmers who are still owed £160 Million by them will testify to).

      The European Elections (if they happen at all) on the 23rd May will also focus a lot of Soft NO minds and highlight the now polar opposite directions of travel of the two Member Kingdoms of the UK.

      An outward looking Internationalist socially just Scotland versus an inward looking insular Xenophobic Neo Fascist England.

    62. Mad Unionist says:

      JWT @ 11:49 & RP @ 11:46 am. Calm doon you chaps or you’ll end up in the QEUH. Do enjoy your flag waving day.

    63. jfngw says:

      @naina tal

      I have heard recently Davidson make that her ambition, I can’t remember where I’m afraid. The largest party would normally take the FM role, I can’t see Labour going down that route, they would disintegrate. So that leaves the LibDem’s, definitely a possibility as they are merely Tories that like to hide the fact.

      Or the Greens, if the right promises were made I wouldn’t trust them an inch. So a Tory/LibDem/Green agreement is the most likely.

      I await her vision of the future, prescription charges, tuition fees, bedroom tax, personal care charges, SNHS privatisation, it’s quite a list of features attractive to mostly the well off.

      If the Scots voted for this then they would get what they deserve. It would be the mediocrity of 1999/2007 on steroids.

    64. robertknight says:

      Mooth Davidson as FM?

      I’m not sure if the prospect of that is hilarious or terrifying.

      Perhaps Holyrood could be renamed ‘Crunchem Hall’. 🙂

    65. Dorothy Devine says:

      Just caught a bit of coverage by the BBBBC of the Tory party conference – had to leave , felt physically sick.

      Anyone with a stronger stomach could perhaps precis this event for the benefit of those of us who get nauseous when watching a sneering bunch of liars.

      The BBBC seems intent on force feeding the populace with democratic deficits by aiding and abetting the suppression of the truth.

    66. Kangaroo says:

      Mad Unionist

      If you don’t reply to Robert Peffers you will lose all the credibility you have left, which isn’t much. At least make an effort.

    67. Proud Cybernat says:

      “…the unelected EU cabal…”

      Who elects the House of Lords?
      Who elects the UK Permanent Secretaries?
      Who elects the UK Civil Service mandarins?

      If you want to have a look at an undemocratic Union, have a look closer to home. This’ll help:

      https://i.imgur.com/A9dYYVs.jpg

    68. Ken500 says:

      Williamson is an absolute imbecile like all the rest of the troughers. He would start trouble in an empty room. They would start wars in a minute. They are totally rotto to the core killing innocent people all over the world. They are appalling.The sooner they are gone the better. The Brexit mess and shambles is a disgrace.

    69. Ken500 says:

      For people going to Glasgow for the March.

      Where will the Wings stall be? From what time to what? Where is it parked.

    70. Mad Unionist says:

      Ian Paisley was walking down Donegal Place holding a bicycle above his head. A wee wummin says Ian why are you holding that bike above your head. Am holding a rally says Ian. Frank Carson.

    71. Robert Louis says:

      galamcennalath at 1122 am,

      I’m not sure you are correct. If the SNP after the next scot elections are the single biggest party, they can continue on as a minority government, even if all the rabid red yellow and blue tory unionists disagree.

      However, on a wider point, it is abundantly clear that Westminster intends removing the powers of the parliament and eventually reasoning that in such circumstances it is an expensive talking shop and needs closed. They literally HATE the Scots parliament, and campaigned against it being set up in the first place.

      This is a REAL warning to the SNP scotgov. If you are not attacking, you are defending. It is that freaking simple. Their is no status quo, with these tory lying bas*****.

    72. Robert Louis says:

      The Raleigh/rally joke does not work when written down.

    73. Patrick Roden says:

      Another James Obrien classic on Brexit:

      https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1124331359823069186

    74. DerekM says:

      @ Kangaroo

      He has credibility ? surely you are mistaken sir are you maybe confusing him with somebody else?

    75. Mad Unionist says:

      Kangaroo @ 12:14 pm. Some political fanatics can conjure up figures and stats to argue their cause.
      What I can tell you for definate is that I paid £7 in tax to the EU last year. This if equivalent to 10 EURO or a large glass of plonk for Juncker. The sooner we leave the better.

    76. Robert Louis says:

      Have a great day in Glasgow today. Wish I was going.

    77. Robert Peffers says:

      @Mad Unionist says: 4 May, 2019 at 12:21 pm:

      ” … Ian Paisley was walking down Donegal Place holding a bicycle above his head.”

      Don’t change the subject. Answer the questions your commented claims require answers for.

      What is your proof that Westminster funds Scots more on a per capita basis than others in the United Kingdom and include England in that answer.

      Who are these unelected people you claim are in the EU that run any United Kingdom matters?

      You made the stupid claims now explain them or make a retraction. I won’t hold my breath.

    78. Ken500 says:

      The Ines trying to stop wars are the EU and the rest of the world leaders. The Westminster unionist imbeciles and the Tory Royals would start a War in a minute. They already have time and time again. The Westminster unionists imbeciles are a treat to the world economy and world peace.

      They would have started a war conflict on the Russian border. Johnstone the imbecile tried but Trump would not do it. Trump may be daft but not that daft enough. Trump told him to get back in his box. The clown. The dope on a rope. Johnstone, Williamson and the rest of the Tories have been going round the world causing nothing but trouble. Total imbeciles. An intellect of zero. Dangerous trouble makers. Like the rest of the unionist Parties. That’s why no one joins them. Trouble causing opportunists of low mentality.

    79. galamcennalath says:

      Astonishing how blatant WM is … caught out using taxpayers money on a poll to analyse opinion in Scotland. A party or organisation should be funding this, not WM gov.

      Shows how they think. For the Tories, it’s almost certainly a defence of the realm issue and therefore they believe it’s something the state should pay for.

      https://www.thenational.scot/news/17618282.downing-street-caught-out-secretly-polling-scots-voters-on-independence/

    80. Ken500 says:

      Scotland benefit more from EU memvbership more from EU membership than it does from UK Treaty of Union. The Terms were broken before the ink was dry. Scotland has been overtaxed ever since to pay for Westminster unionist illegal wars. Revenues and resources taken from Scotland forever. Scotland depopulated to fund London S/E. in the most coarse, nasty illegal criminal way possible. Well documented in historical documents. When Scotland was supposed to be treated equal forever. Scotland was not.

    81. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      To misquote Buenaventura Durruti:

      “There are only two roads, victory for the Independence Movement; Freedom or victory for the Unionists which means tyranny.”

    82. galamcennalath says:

      @me at 12:49 pm

      “Last month the UK Government’s Cabinet Office instructed Ipsos-Mori to find out “about the general public’s perception of the state of the Union.” “

      … the right and proper way for a government to find out such perceptions is via the ballot box!

      There’s Ruth telling us the Tories no long believe in the ballot box. Dangerous times.

      What parties, organisations, and individuals do with their money is up to them.

    83. Ken500 says:

      Where will the Wings stand be?

    84. Ken500 says:

      @ the ones trying to stop conflict in the world are the EU and the rest of the world leaders.

      The Westminster unionists would start an illegal war in a minute. They have done many times and lied about it. They are total lying psycho bastards. The EU was formed to stop war and starvation. After the 11WW.

    85. Dr Jim says:

      Mundell and Davidson at the Tory conference complain of falling education standards in Scotland then Bryan Taylor interviews young Tory activists who complain they’ve had too much education in Scotland under the SNP

    86. Mad Unionist says:

      Ken500 @ 12:38pm. Pure crap pal. It was the CIA and the EU who were up to no good in the Ukraine. John McCain (deceased) and the CIA were involved. Putin read it well.

    87. Conan the Librarian says:

      I think I know Mad Unionist from his alter egos on the Herald.
      Disrupts the comments well, don’t you think? Years of practice.

    88. Ken500 says:

      The ones up to no good are mad unionists

    89. Robert Peffers says:

      @Mad Unionist says: 4 May, 2019 at 1:08 pm:

      Don’t change the subject. Answer the questions.
      Ken500 @ 12:38pm. Pure crap pal. It was the CIA and the EU who were up to no good in the Ukraine. John McCain (deceased) and the CIA were involved. Putin read it well.

    90. Ken500 says:

      Could someone put the link to the AUOB march 4th May 2019?

      Where will the Wings stand be. From what time to what time?

      There is a new thread

    91. Ken500 says:

      McCain is now dead. Trump is president, dDifferent times

    92. Phil says:

      Footsoldier says:
      4 May, 2019 at 9:41 am

      “Any chance of pictures from Tory Conference to see how big the attendance is? BBC are showing only from rear of hall and from where seats are occupied.”

      Try: https://www.flickr.com/photos/scottishconservatives/8214056735/

    93. Ken500 says:

      CIA and M15 were illegally spying on Trump and he knows it.

    94. Robert Peffers says:

      O/T:Just a wee reminder to Wingers – The links across the top of each Wings page have a great deal of good information and in particular the , “REFERENCE”, link. Well worth a read now and again. Many answers for questions asked by the general public.

    95. stewartb says:

      admiral @10:18 am

      You wrote: ” But I wonder why there hasn’t been any more outrage at Gove’s threat for the UK government to take control of some of the Scottish Government’s budget and run public services in Scotland from Westminster. This is the thin end of the wedge of unwinding the devolution “settlement” and the eventual downgrading of the Scottish Parliament.”

      You are right to highlight this and call it out as a major threat.

      Interestingly, something similar to Gove’s statements were made by PM May in 2017. I replicate below much of a post I made here on 13 July, 2017.

      On 3rd May 2017 Craig Murray posted a cautionary article under the title ‘Theresa May moves to replace devolution with Westminster control’. This followed a speech by May in Glasgow (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/page/6/ ).

      What follows are extracts from her speech:

      “.. the devolution of powers across the United Kingdom must not mean we become a looser and weaker union. We cannot allow our United Kingdom to drift apart. For too long the attitude in Whitehall has been to ‘devolve and forget.”

      “.. as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, I am just as concerned that young people in Dundee get a good start in life and RECEIVE THE EDUCATION THEY NEED (my emphasis) to reach their full potential as I am about young people in Doncaster and Dartford.”

      “We need to build a new ‘collective responsibility’ across the United Kingdom, which UNITES ALL LAYERS OF GOVERNMENT, to work positively together to improve the lives of everyone in our country. As the Government serving the whole United Kingdom, formed in a Parliament drawn from the whole United Kingdom, the UK Government exercises a responsibility on behalf of the whole UK that transcends party politics and ENCOMPASSES ALL ASPECTS of our national life.”

      Craig Murray’s take on May’s speech then was notable. He stated: “In Glasgow today she notified Scotland of a specific intention for Westminster to intervene in devolved areas to ‘improve outcomes’ in Scotland. There is no other possible logical analysis ….”

      In this context, we need to remember the work underway to create the new so called civil service ‘hub’ in Edinburgh. I’ve seen it described in these terms: “create a centre of excellence for the DELIVERY OF PUBLIC SERVICES IN SCOTLAND (my emphasis) and facilitate more effective working between GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS WITHIN A DEVOLVED ADMINISTRATION.”

      And note the now constant repetition – at every opportunity and at every possible place – of the Tory mantra of an SG failing over critical public services in Scotland because of its focus on independence. Then recall the absence of presentation of Tory policies designed for Holyrood government. Just a careful, gradual but constant negativity about SG competence and achievement: all part of a longer game preparing the groundwork to justify Westminster interventions which will over-ride the devolution settlement?

    96. Ken500 says:

      The Tory Conference is empty. It is in the old smaller venue. Bridge of Don. AECC The car park is empty. It looks like no activity as usual.

      The only occurrence yesterday was a blue rinse being bluelighted by a Police car, flashing holding up the traffic. Gove? or what. 4 pm. Nuisance holding up the traffic for a minute. Otherwise no movement. Quiet. Like no one is there. No traffic. No movement. 100 hundred?Approx More Press than members.

    97. wull2 says:

      Their answer to the problem, put someone in who can ware Tena Ladies.

    98. Jack Murphy says:

      AUOB. All Under One Banner March today.

      Independence Livestream Camera 1
      Front of March:

      https://livestream.com/IndependenceLive/AUOBGlasgow2019Cam1

    99. Jack Murphy says:

      Independence Livestream AUOB link is now working OK

    100. geeo says:

      Back away from slavering unionists, and the Police have announced that there is no criminality involved in the leak ‘scandal’.

      In other words, no option for Williamson to defend himself other than denial.

      If he has any personal integrity, and is indeed innocent, he must quit the Tory party.

      Not holding my breath on that one.

      There are no innocent tories, only different levels of guilt. Tens of thousands of deaths directly linked to DWP policies, TORY policies.

      There are no innocents involved in that, other than the victims.

    101. geeo says:

      http://archive.is/VLQ2X

      Oops, forgot the link..

    102. Mad Unionist says:

      geeo @ 2:07pm. Williamson can take out a private case. He is no doubt minted.

    103. Grouse Beater says:

      Hard to know, Chris, whether he is or is not the culprit, or just a plain liar. The British state is a ruthless club. It often sacrifices a soldier or two for bigger gains.

      More important, why have we governments indulging in espionage and secretative meetings where decisions are made that affect our lives, yet those elected call themselves a democrats?

      Your essential weekend reading:

      ‘The Long Walk’: https://wp.me/p4fd9j-nDu

    104. Gary says:

      He was quoted as saying that it ‘wasn’t me OR MY TEAM’ and THAT is disgusting. He tried to put attention on his team.

      He now admits that he himself DID phone the journalist in question directly after the meeting in question BUT, somehow, he DIDN’T disclose the information upon which said journo based HIS ENTIRE STORY.

      Right wing Tories are supporting him, only because they HATE May, of course.

      Were he a Civil Servant he’d have been dismissed and facing a criminal investigation and the prospect of jail. It has previously happened.

      He has been demoted and his prospects of attaining high office look, for the moment, slim. He keeps his MPs job, salary and pension. He retains a platform from which to criticise his old boss and slag off the senior civil Servant who conducted the investigation. Through friends he claims this is a ‘conspiracy’ to oust him by said Civil Servant.

      I used to be a Civil Servant, not at this level, and I can assure you of two things. Civil Servants really ARE impartial, they take a pride in it (The Civil Service Code) and secondly, this is EXACTLY what politicians are like 24/7. Churlish, lying, backstabbing horrors of people who are stupid enough to break the law and be surprised when it bites them on the arse. The will expect Civil Servants to do the same and are always shocked when their instructions are refused as ILLEGAL or in breach of the Civil Service Code.

      I’d feel sorry for him but, no wait, I’d NEVER feel sorry for him. He hasn’t even gotten what he deserves…

    105. Cactus says:

      Gavin Williamssson, politician, reminds me of this guy
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzfTtlm6Fz4

      They are both the jokers (or pocket jocks)

      ps cc that’s a crackin’ jig on Hammond, think he’s sharted himself 😉



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