Wings Over Scotland

Robert Louis;

It makes sense if you view Labour as British Nationalists.

Labour know what they want , to they get it & then dont know what to do with it.

Tereza’s T ing up for a backflip ah’ll give her ah 10.5 score.

Good toon Chris.

Chris never fails to provide a real cracker.

He certainly has a good eye for both a cartoon and hitting nails on the head.

Not like how my awakening this morning. My radio alarm is usually set to wake me to Radio Jockland.

Not this morning, though. I must have bumped the button and changed the station accidentally and was awakened to Radio 4 and some woman talking about, “Britain”, and Brexit and farming.

According to her, over 70% of, “Britain”, is farmed and, “Brexit”, will apparently have an effect upon farming and thus all of our lives because, it is what forms all of our, “Green and pleasant land”.

Now correct me if I’m wrong but I doubt that over 70% of Wales or Scotland are farmed and to best knowledge, yon, “Green and pleasant land”, is a phrase that refers to England only.

British/English Nationalism and propaganda in action goes on 24/7/365.

As Giving Goose says, it all makes sense if you think of Westminster as a single entity. There is no difference between red and blue British Nationalists. The Establishment knows exactly what it is doing.

Breeks says:

“the two Establishment ranks come together in a heartbeat”

The Establishment has no heart to beat, IMHO and Experience.

Peace Always, my Friend

Excellent Chris. Why are Labour behaving like they do? Madness!

Are they trying alienate their own voters?

Percentage Remain / Leave by 2015 GE vote according to YouGov

Con 39 61
Lab 65 35
LiDe 68 32
UKIP 5 95

link to yougov.co.uk

Why does Labour (or LD) not completely oppose Brexit?

Has it not occurred to anyone or everyone on here that labour are just plain stupid?

Corbyn”s appears not to realise that he is completely toxic and his stance on brexit post vote is damaging rather than enhancing his party’s chances.

If labour had maintained opposition to brexit, it would have secured a significant portion of the 48% in England. Instead it’s grubbing round trying to win back votes from ukip at the margins.

This general election is stark for labour in Scotland, do they want a uk tory government and out of Europe or Scotland to run its own affairs in Europe.

I guess we have their answer, labour in Scotland are true brits with a fixation above all else to support a relationship beyond repair, this fixation that will see their demise in Scotland!

Why not call themselves the Scottish labour and unionist party, they are red tories after all!

Pure genious!

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I was speaking to friends yesterday about the election and Labour’s inexplicable support for the General Election. It was unanimous among us that this was an act of pure folly as regards Labour, but also it was not necessarily good for May and the Tories either.

It may be just wishful thinking on my part, but I honestly believe that it will not be plain sailing for the Tories. I can see some difficult times ahead for May in the coming weeks, and it might not work out as well as she planned.

Well said Chris, great toon.

Labour are as thick as two short planks, they had an open goal when the GE was called, and missed by a mile. Then in Scotland they have the unmitigated gall to try and blame the SNP for abstaining.I just shake my head in wonderment at it all.

The GE is quite clear, it’s Scotland v Tories ( all colours). The sooner we get out of this toxic union the better.

For Scotland we have a mandate for Independence and May has conned the SNP into going through a process of gaining that mandate again. If they lose A a few seats to the Tories May and Davidson will say there is now no mandate for Independence and SNP and Yes movement will have to still run a referendum. There will be no stomach for more voting and press and Tories will keep saying so.
Answer just declare a UDI now Nicola and be down with it.
We have nothing in common with politics of England now and will never get a UK Government which Scotland votes for..a great cartoon btw.

ronnie anderson wrote on 22 April, 2017 at 8:11 am
(Re; Red Tories and Blue Tories)

“Twa cheeks of the same Arse….”

Aye, ronnie, and with a lot of shite in-between!

Red Tories, so called due to that side of the arse
repeatedly getting skelped.

Blue Tories, so called due to that side of the arse
constantly being left out in the cold by the EU.
__________

Make a point, tell the world, nail yer colours tae the mast:
link to ayemail.scot
__________

Can’t wait, roughly 7 or 8 more days
until i’m fully operational again. YEEEEEHAAAAA!

I’ve been running my head over Labours position and can only come to the conclusion that the establishment must be pulling the strings. I know it sounds stupid, but it can’t be any more stupid than what we are actually witnessing in reality from Labour.

Grouse Beater says

…lemmings dashing over cliff edges into the sea is a wholly Disney concoction. It was an artificial scene in a documentary film about prairie life.

Indeed, the reality is Lemmings show considerably more sense than Labour politicians!

I mean, who ever heard of Lemmings supporting hard Tory Brexit! 🙂

link to en.m.wikipedia.org

Anent Lemmings, Pied Piper & Rats would be too cruel?

Sensibledave says:

It will reinforce the mandate for Indy2. It will be a straight fight SNP policies or Tory policies.
For most Scots the Tories are despised here, and yes, polls show that, despite the spin. Ruth the Mooth is now showing Scots her true self and it ain’t pretty, people are now seeing her for what she and the Tories are, a poison to Scotland.

They can do what they do, they will duck, dive, and outright lie
aided by an outrageously bias English media of all kinds.
It will not help them though. The SNP will come through and with more help from Scottish Tory haters of any ilk.

That is my take on it anyway.

I’ve been saying for years that when the question is Scottish independence we’re up against three differently coloured facets of the one british establishment party. They, including the “anti-establishment” labour party will always close ranks to try and prevent the loss of their cash cow, Scotland.

I do wonder how much of this GE is about the tories sorting out their own internal power struggles and how much of it is about trying to damage the SNP and head off indyref2.

Another excellent toon though Chris. You have a good eye for a hammer and a nail.

I totally agree with what Robert Louis says.

May set a trap for Lab and they walked right into it as A Salmond said all they had to do was abstain and then May would have had to call a no confidence vote on herself.
Cris that is a stoater

Nicola should call a Scottish Parliamentary Election now. It will hotfoot the lot of them and clear out the dross. What a triple whammy Mandate that would be.

I don’t know. That is my befuddlement right there. If I was to take a cynical view, I could say that politically, it’s just business as usual right now. This is disappointing.

I see no signs of Defcon One or the ante being upped in any way. I want to scream stop doing this Westminster’s way – you’ll never ever get unionists recognition that you’ve won independence ten times over already. That is just an ever decreasing infinity where the hare will never beat the tortoise.

As I said, I just don’t know. I am sorry – Can we not get a move on with this project?

As one insect says to the other in a bug’s life, ‘I’ve only got 24hrs to live and I don’t want to spend it doing this!’

The First Minister is doing just fine. Let the unionist brexiters argue over what crumbs they won’t get.

Davidson has severely injured her persona with her backing the rape clause in Scotland. Nasty has exposed her true colours.
Her lucky streak has ended. Even the BBC are embaressed.
The tory publicity material for the local elections look even more silly with their NO stance while tory HQ have forced us into a brexit General election campaign. The possible corruption charges of tory MP’s also rumbles on.
We can stay focussed. Greens cooperate with the SNP and we can turn Davidsons sneer into an even bigger frown.
We dont need a Holyrood election just now. We are in power.

@ paul gerard mccormack

I empathise with your frustration. But the SNP have always chosen the ballot box as the way to determine Scotland’s political future, even though winning 56 seats out of 59 would have at one time been more than the determining factor. Not sure when the goalposts moved on that one. Back in the 70s when the tide was high and the prospect of independence looked to be close, the understanding was that a majority of WM seats would secure the dream. Can anyone clarify. Mr Peffers?

If the SNP won every seat would we still be sitting on our hands? Seems crazy!

Apologies for off topic, but this makes me angry. The BBC Reporting that Lloyds bank has repaid the tax payer in full, from a £20.3 Billion bail-out 9 years ago. Philip Hammond saying the treasury is getting back £20.4 Billion.

link to bbc.co.uk

However by my calculations, an investment of 4% return P.A. is normally quoted as a reasonable expectation. Over the last 9 years @4%, the tax payer should have got back £28.9 Billion… meaning a net loss for the tax payer over 9 years of around £8.6 Billion. Even at a simple Inflation of aound 2%P.A, the tax payer is still losing around £4.3 Billion.

You can bet your last quid that the banking spivs and speculators made their profit with the bailout money in that time, yet we are expected to accept Billions in losses as a good thing. The BBC in full Tory mode, didn’t even bother to note that monetary value now, is less than it was 9 years ago.

Brilliant Chris, all the little lemmings gleefully jumping off to their master’s call. Going to be some might big bruises when they hit the bottom.

Beggars belief how many people seem happy to trash their own lives. Can they not see how the media are playing them. Maybe the government have put a brain washing pill in the water.

Toty voices on GMS Talking Fown Scotland as usual. Useful antidote is JR’s link to scoop.it – an impressive array of positive ‘can-do’ stories culled from research, trade journals and other non-MSM sources – gathered together in one virtual news-stand – encouraging and uplifting.

Use it as a resource. Send your swithering unionist friends here. Feast your eyes on the headlines of good news articles this week alone :

‘Oil firms in boost for Scottish economy…’
‘Scottish university research to help developing nations remove arsenic from water supplies…’
‘Solar power plan for Moray airfield…’
‘Fewer Scottish businesses failing in 2017…’
‘Robust Scottish economy apparent in significant increases in demand for professional staff…’
‘Brutal UK Government denies Scottish Government right to attend UN Human Rights Council…’
‘Treasure trove’ of new oil and gas exploration data released…’
‘Oil predicted to settle at $60 to $70 per barrel over next three years…’
‘Scottish businesses showing signs of greater health than those in the rest of the UK…’
‘SNP Government takes the initiative to further enhance the competiveness of a recovering but still fragile oil industry…’
‘Scottish Gas output rises as production begins on a new field that could fuel, by itself, all of post-independence scotland…’
‘Orkney’s giant tidal turbine is the world’s most powerful…’
‘Nearly 60% of Scots support independence according to survey with small but representative sample…’
‘Really Good News for Scotland: PM Theresa May calls for a snap General Election…’
‘SNP Government-funded agents in China, Hong Kong, Thailand, Japan and Singapore, help Scotland increase exports of food and drink to Asia to more than £1 billion…’
‘Oil Market Rebalancing, Demand Expected to Rise’ One reason for Yes next time…’
‘Scots are much more likely to be willing to donate organs to save lives…’
‘Scotland’s Golden Eagle population continues to soar to more than 1 000 birds…’
;New M8 link between Glasgow and Edinburgh to open five days early with real benefits for drivers…’
‘Scotland would walk into the EU to resounding cheers…’
‘Energy, energy, energy: Scotland’s renewables projects, oil and gas discoveries just keep on coming…’
‘Scotland outperforms the rest of the UK with overall lower unemployment and lower unemployment for women and the young…’
‘Good News! Ruth Davidson is more popular than Nicola Sturgeon….in England. Nicola is much more popular with Scots…’

What a contrast with the supermarket news stands!

re jomry 10.12.

Apologies. First sentence should read… ‘Tory voices on GMS Talking DOWN Scotland..”

Also, add to list of headlines

‘The sleeping giant is being stirred:Owners of former oil fabrication yard at Kishorn are understood to be preparing to make major jobs announcement..’
and
‘Never mind the ‘black gold’- it seems there are prospects of major gold finds in Scotland too…’

See link to scoop.it

Chris, they should do away with the Tory Party The Labour Party and the Lib/Dems

They could all come together as “The Establishment Party” and stand as an MP for that Party.

Since 1707 the golden rule has been “Save London at all costs”, no matter which Party is in power.

Perfect analogy Chris.

Lemmings, the game, is another Dundee product, a city which which used to be staunch Labour.

They should do a re-launch by simply renaming it Labour with a few minor tweaks. The hole digging is fine as is the ability to stop others going in the direction they want and, of course, the self destruct option is perfect. The stair builders would need a slight remod. though, namely pulling up the step behind them as they progressed.

On second thoughts, maybe the stoppers could be made to only stop those trying to move top the left. 🙂

@Grouse Beater says: 22 April, 2017 at 8:12 am:

“I read somewhere, Chris, that lemmings dashing over cliff edges into the sea is a wholly Disney concoction.”

Yeah! Grouse Beater, I read those articles too. Mind you I had long ago sought out the real truth and knew the real facts. What struck me about the more recent BBC articles was this little bit :-

“If Norwegian lemmings are to thrive in an Arctic winter, they need “the right kind of snow” link to bbc.in @WayOfThePanda”

I though, at the time, “Must be a bit like what BBC Scotland claims about the rail services in Scotland by claiming Scottish snow, like Scottish oil, is like everything else in Scotland, tragically always the wrong kind.”.

My own opinion is that the only Scottish things that are the wrong kind are BBC Scotland, Scottish Labour, Scottish Tories and Scottish LibDems.

“Your weekend reading:
England not Scotland is bankrupt: link to wp.me

A British propaganda film: link to wp.me

Is there any other kind of, “British”, films?

caz m 10.41
Would like to see link to scoop.it punted far and wide as a real confidence booster. I think John Robertson is doing a great job and is on the right track as this kind of positive forward looking portal will become ever more important in the months/years? ahead.

There is labourforindy.

We have the EU on our side.

Northern Ireland is also changing.

Tories’ election fraud.

Boycott all britnat media.

I used to work with a Lemmings. Endless japes and tomfoolery.

Bob Mack says:
22 April, 2017 at 9:58 am
The truth be told, we are no longer just fighting Labour. We are as Robert Peters states up against the whole mechanism of the State, including Parliament ,the press and the mutifarious services which serve it under the guise of secret.”

If you get a moment, go online a gaze at the mass fury and shock at BBC attack propaganda on Corbyn from Lab voters this week.

BBC 2 in particular has really upset them, with lots of spliced vids showing assorted beeb gimps laying into JC and worshipping Mayhem.

Oddly enough its two ex Guardian twerps that moved to BBC Newsnight who’ve really got lefties glowing white with rage. Clearly never seen hammer of the Scots Severin Carrell lying his head for the union, in Scotland, Ian Katz, Nick Watt both ex Graun bosses of Severins, now destroying Labour for 2017 GE, BBC style shock.

Having heard lefty England explaining to Scots complaining about just how awful cooperation is at BBC Scotland, “the clues in the British bit of BBC,” they kindly explained, its hard to give a shit.

So from,

Sky News?Verified account @SkyNews 21m21 minutes ago
More
Nicola Sturgeon says that there will be no SNP coalition with Conservatives at a local level

To, hammer of the Scots Severin Carrell yesterday,

Scottish National party (SNP)
Sturgeon refuses to rule out SNP coalitions with Tories in local councils

Scotland’s first minister says she is strongly opposed to Tories running councils but fails to rule out local SNP deals
• General election 2017 – live updates

Severin Carrell Scotland editor, will be working on his next stinky old Graun monstering of Scottish democracy, right the noo.

@Calum McKay says: 22 April, 2017 at 8:16 am:

“Has it not occurred to anyone or everyone on here that labour are just plain stupid?”

Of course it has, Calum. However, many are now beginning to find out the true situation of not only Labour but the entire Westminster setup that has long been the more publically visible face of, “The Establishment”.

” … Corbyn”s appears not to realise that he is completely toxic and his stance on brexit post vote is damaging rather than enhancing his party’s chances.”

Corbyn is no more and no less toxic than any other part of, “The Establishment”, and as Grouse Beater points out in his article:-
link to wp.me

When, “The Establishment”, comes under threat it is“All hands to the pumps” while, “The Establishment”, closes ranks against the threat, not to Britain, but the threat to, “The Establishment”.

Like those big families that existed before the days of effective contraception that would fight, like ferrets in a poke, among themselves but let an outsider threaten any one of the family they presented a solid front to the outsider.

Westminster parties are a front for the truth. What does a Unionist back bencher MP care if they are in power or opposition? Their take home wage is the same and in normal time the, “Buggin’s Turn”, of voter’s popularity means their turn in power will come round again as the voters weary of the Government in power.

Under threat the Establishment will sacrifice an entire party to save, “The Establishment”. Ask where are, “The Whigs”, now? Whatever happened to, “The Liberals”?

Not only that but in the event of a government, “falling”, the Lords sees a new influx of loyal Establishment members getting paid £300 per day just for clocking on to the best Retirement Home in the Entire Universe where they get subsidised food & drink the World has to offer. All that on top of the very best Pensions they arranged for themselves while in office or even in opposition.

Thing is that there are presently two different outside attacks being mounted against, “The, ‘British’, wing of. ‘The Establishment’. These are the EU & the SNP and the ranks of The Establishment are firmly closed and thus the right wing Establishment colours all begin to merge into a, “Rainbow Alliance”, of Blue, Red & Yellow. We Yessers call them, “The Yoons”.

Never forget, though, that, like an iceberg, 2/3rds of the Establishment are under the water and furthermore the shadowy heads of, “The Establishment”, are World Wide and can be detected in the far reaching distance as, “Globalisation”, and driven by a few elite and very rich but little known individual families with no loyalty to any particular country or state.

Want to believe me a conspiracy theorist?

Please yersel – I don’t care if you do.

Cruella looks like she’s beeling !
She had that lot earmarked for a full length winter coat.

You missed out her pearl necklace Chris. But it’s a family website so…
(shudders at the thought…)

Chris Cairns. A bit good.

Proud Scot but.

link to thenational.scot

Re; The Rough bounds@12.36

Nah, I have friends in North England, staunch Labour, see Jeremy as the Messiah and got really pissed off when I suggested he should have rejected the GE on the table to at least stall it. They actually think he has a chance of winning the GE. Such a shame.

Regards Callaghan, yes the SNP voted against in 1979, but it was clear to anyone who dared to see, that in actual fact, it was Callaghan’s own MPs that allowed Thatcher in, and did he not write about that very situation in his memoirs.

The same old myth is doing the rounds that, ‘aye, but the SNP let Thatcher in in 1979’. My sister said it, her pals believe it, they all believe it and so they hate the SNP. They er, do not have the facts and don’t like it when you tell them it was their own Labour party who let thatcher in!

I should think the last 300+ years have been ‘tough’ for Scotland, and the turkeys voted for xmas big style in 2014 to make it even tougher, didn’t they.

Had to laugh this morning when I looked behind the front door and saw two SNP election leaflets. One showing which of the Bains they wanted as first and second on our preferences.

Ann or Allie, and the promises they made of their aims for Fife Council if elected to office. The other was a wee card from the SNP of their manifesto promises for the Local Council elections and not a word or hint at either Westminster or EU aims or promises.

How different to all other party leaflets I have found behind my door that one and all harped on about the SNP NOT doing their day job and dragging Westminster and either the EU or independence into the local council elections.

So just which party is concentrating on their day jobs? Sure as hell isn’t the Tory, LibDem or Labour on the evidence before me.

I’ll go with the SNP choice of local election candidates but will have to think which of the other unionist lot are the most dangerous opponents. So as to rank them last. I think that Labour might be nearest to getting a seat but in the present dire state of Labour – who knows?

Re Michelle Thomson.
Will the Tories be doing similar with their legion of MPs and agents under investigation for electoral fraud ?

“Keep Scotland Tidy” campaign.
Dunfermline High Street, SNP and Green Party side by side.
Both pretty busy.
Lots of SNP balloons etc. In kiddies hands, prams and buggies.

The return of the despots:
For hundreds of year the UK has called everybody else in the world unpleasant names in order to justify the pretence of their own arrogant superiority to the population
then the internet arrived and loads of ordinary people sussed out the divide and conquer strategy that was employed on them to keep them compliantly ignorant of the truth

So the ordinary folk, the Scots being first because we clocked on to it a long time ago as did the Irish started calling them names back, so the UK reversed the strategy and called everybody else Nationalists (which is what the UK are) and made sure it had bad connotations figuring that it was bad Germanyish sounding and to be abhorred and rejected by all right thinking decent people when what they actually meant was not very bright people or those who chose not to inform themselves otherwise

For the most part it’s worked pretty well for them but their problem is how to keep it up in an age of public mistrust of newspapers TV and all forms of controlled government media, well, they can’t

So what we have now is just blatant disregard for the rules of any decent civilised society and a UK government who like Trump has created complete and outright division on partisan grounds and dared the other half to defy them and if they do they are “Saboteurs” “Wreckers” “Enemies of the people” and how very dare they question the great and powerful OZ, I mean Mrs May

The UK is displaying Nationalism of the very worst type we’ve all seen in black and white newsreels where leaders from history are seen making the same speeches as the Tories do now
Speeches full of hatred for others of differing views accompanied by clenched fists and wagging fingers and threats of the harm being done to the country from the dissenters within
We’re being presented now with stage managed slogan filled speeches to hand picked audiences who have been obliged to attend whether they want to or not under threat of sacking, and a blank refusal to allow questions followed by regulated applause at the end and immediate exit by the speaker Mrs May and all of it looks and sounds exactly like Kim Jong Un
or as I said previous despots from a history none of the real decent people want to see again

The Tory manifesto will contain nothing but sound bites and slogans about what “We will do” a bit like the Queens speeches to parliament you know the ones “My government” will so and so and yet when it comes to democracy and the will, requests, and or demands of of the Scottish people who are at present members of this United Kingdom we’re told Now is not the time or we will be crushed or we will be removed from the UK parliament which BTW Scotland owns a percentage of and if I’m not mistaken (Robert Peffers can correct me if I’m wrong on this) Scotland had a functioning parliament long before the English and if memory serves the date was around the year of our lord 1236

Beware friends, for hard times are upon us by unscrupulous people bent on power for powers sake, Long live the King…or despot

Not entirely surprised by the NEC decision to not re-select the two MPs currently sitting as independents, although I did think Michelle Thompson might have come back into the fold. However, the whole damned case has rumbled on for so long as to create an air of wrong doing even where there appears to be none, albeit her lawyer was less than professional in his dealings.

Natalie looks likely to have a court case to go through and that is a difficult place to pitch a campaign from. Also, I am sure I read that Natalie was considering not standing. Not only does she have to focus on the legal case but she is also pregnant.

Taking a very firm line, the NEC has placed the party in strong position to focus on what the CPS does with the numerous Tories potentially facing court action over election expenses fraud.

Artyhetty @ 13:21:

I have friends in North England, staunch Labour, see Jeremy as the Messiah and … actually think he has a chance of winning the GE.

Heh, it’s a kind of secular cult, I suppose. Unfortunately, there’s no limit to the self-delusion of some folks. It will not be a soft landing for them. I wouldn’t mind so much if they weren’t so determined to take us down with them.

As for 1979, we seem to be in danger of forgetting history here, Rough Bounds. The Callaghan government was so hard up for a majority that they were taking MPs out of hospital on stretchers to vote in the HoC. They were propped up for some time by the Liberals, who eventually got sick of being cynically stiffed by Labour, who kept taking and taking and never giving, so Callaghan in desperation had to turn to the SNP instead. That worked for a while until the SNP reached the very same conclusion that the Liberals did. The last straw was that poison-pill which a Labour MP sneaked into the original referendum bill, and which lost us the referendum despite a majority in favour.

It was a pathetic offer anyway, but that dagger in the back was the last straw. It was the rank duplicity and arrogant self-centredness of Labour that brought them down, not the actions of the SNP (or indeed the Liberals).

It was the first visible sign of the decay of Labour that we have come to recognise only too well since, and which has led to the recent debacle in the HoC that Chris illustrates only to well.

I think this article proves the extra benefits of the Scottish government.
link to wired.co.uk
It debunks ” not doing the day job” economically.

Strange bunch these Tories, May think she is doing God’s work (I would probably be sectioned if I thought he was talking to me), and Davidson now actually seems to believes she is First Minister with her ‘we said no’ poster. I fear for their sanity!

Watched BBC national news at 10pm last night. There was a roundup of “today’s electioneering” from the first, second and fourth largest parties at Westminster.

Why was the third largest party not featured and why is the third largest party at Westminster not screaming from the roof tops about being left out?

I fear for their sanity!

BBC explains to England that it was the blessed Ruth Davidson, what convinced PM May to retain the UK 0.7% aid budget. Is Ruth being groomed for greater UKOK things?

Splicing in Bill Gates and Ruth Davidson tory BBC style, is pretty good even for these extraordinary con artists,

From,

“Bill Gates defends Britain’s foreign aid spending

Microsoft founder urges Theresa May not to cut aid budget in manifesto”

to,

“Ruth Davidson, the Scottish Conservative leader, told the same event that she believed “passionately” in preserving the 0.7 per cent commitment. Doing so would show that the British people are “good global citizens” as the country prepares to leave the EU, she said.”

Windows 10, to Ruth Davidson’s hard core yoon tory thuggery and there aint no shyster like a BBC shyster.

BBC is probably prepping a ferocious tory goon like Ruth for their Lords shyste, a very great British reward for what is a lot of very hard work, blocking Scottish democracy.

My Slovene girlfriend watches, with UKOK envy:D

Not tory stinky old The Graun piles in for Ruth D too. She really is a world leader in waiting, what stature, what gravitas, what a tory, is Ruth. Her ego must be about to explode though,

“The Guardian understands that May’s team was still mulling over the issue as recently as Thursday evening,” but then a proud Scot but tory saviour, stepped and saved us all,

“The Scottish Conservative leader, Ruth Davidson, has been pushing for the party to recommit to the target . “Ruth’s been vocal about what she believes very publicly over the last few days,” a Scottish Conservative source said. “She’s made her view very clear and the prime minister gave this commitment, and it is a real commitment.”

Davidson told the BBC it would take “moral courage” for the UK to continue to be one of the leading countries that espoused the benefit of aid not just to the countries that received the cash but also for the nations who gave.”

UK media has gone completely tory psycho, must a GE soon.

Right on cue, Severin rams home vote anyone but SNP,

“MP Michelle Thomson will not contest Edinburgh West seat
Former SNP member says she is disappointed by party executive’s decision to bar her from standing due to ongoing fraud investigation

Michelle Thomson has sat as an independent MP in the Commons since she resigned the SNP whip in late 2015.

Severin Carrell Scotland editor

In a further sign that Theresa May’s decision to call a snap election has caught the party by surprise, the SNP said it needed another week to find candidates for Thomson’s former seat andfour other Scottish constituencies not held by the SNP”

Severin makes NO mention of Fluffie Mundell in the frame for election fraud, natch.

Capella @ 15:30:

it is just possible that Jeremy Corbyn could win enough seats to challenge the Tories IMO. Labour is the largest political party in Europe.

Live the dream. Cos that’s all it is. And in case you missed the point of the cartoon, Labour aren’t in Europe any more. Just collaborating with the Tories in leaving.

Post-failure, don’t blame the media either, for all their faults. Corbyn is just Labour’s latest dead end.

If the Tories lose their majority, it’s far more likely because of losses in England to the LibDems, as Remain voters take their revenge. Not that I’m holding out too much on that front either.

Theresa May claims the election is to “strengthen” her brexit negotiation hand.

Oor pal Guy says otherwise….

link to archive.is

geeo says:

Oor pal Guy says otherwi

Aye, the little Greater Englanders are in for their biggest shock since …. well, hard to say when such a potentially huge upheaval last occurred to the entire fabric of state and society!

Re Ian Murray,Labour’s MP in Scotland,Edinburgh South Constituency.
Just in case you thought your eyes and ears were playing tricks here’s The Times:

“Labour’s only MP in Scotland has said that he would serve in a Jeremy Corbyn-led government,months after suggesting his party leader was unfit for his role and quitting the shadow cabinet in protest.” [!!!]

Accompanied by a nice wee photo:
“Ian Murray was joined by Kezia Dugdale as he launched his campaign in Edinburgh”.

If this stuff gives me a heart attack and kills me I’ll haunt the Bastirts tae death

God’s a kidder, so you’ll probably come back as tory zoomer, or worse, a UKOK hack in Scotland like Severin, desperately undermining and monstering Scottish democracy for a living, if there is anything left, by the time Pacific Quay roasters are finished.

In the 2015 General Election SNP plus Greens gained over 50% of the vote in Scotland.

Could Patrick and Nicola have an identical statement in their individual party’s manifestos such as…. “This party supports an independent Scotland. If all parties who support an Independent Scotland gain over 50% of the vote on June 8th, then Scotland will be declared an Independent country and the Act of the Union will be dissolved”

The Rough Bounds. says: 22 April, 2017 at 12:36 pm

“Jim Callaghan asked the SNP for three weeks so that he could come up with something. Gordon Wilson, SNP leader, said No Deal and in spite of the general membership of the SNP pulling their hair out in despair at the stupidity of our leadership they helped to bring down Callaghan’s Government.

Let’s see if we can jog The Rough Bounds, memory just a wee bit, shall we?

I cite :-
link to wingsoverscotland.com

O/T

Have a laugh folks Janey Godley voices over Gisela Allen a ukipper bampot

video here
link to twitter.com

Robert Peffers says:
22 April, 2017 at 3:23 pm

” … even though winning 56 seats out of 59 would have at one time been more than the determining factor.”
I believe my view of how the SNP see this is fairly simple and I’ve stated it often enough”.

You have said it often Robert, and I’m glad you have, however I want to ask you a pedantic question.

Is International recognition of an unlawful situation more dominant than an absence of recognition for correct legal legitimacy?

I know, in day to day usage, obviously it is, but if we forget the established everyday convention for the moment, if or when the matter is tested in a Constitutional court, isn’t legal legitimacy bound to be the dominant criterion over popular convention? Even if that convention has survived for 300 years, that doesn’t make it valid.

The Union survives because it has day to day recognition, and it has been accepted as the “normal” convention, even my many Scots who support independence, but the issue of sovereignty was not, and never has been properly resolved. The Act of Union is built upon the premise that a thing was done, but that was thing which cannot be done.

Once that principle is understood, neither historic convention nor popularly accepted recognition can rescue the Union from its fundamental lack of legal competence. This is no discretion about it, nor choice to be made. If a contract claims to do a thing that cannot be done, it is unenforceable in law and thus void as a contract, and it doesn’t matter a jot whether both parties dispute it or not. Void is void. An unenforceable contract is a contract that doesn’t exist.

If we challenge the Act of Union, we challenge Westminster to reconcile how Scottish popular sovereignty can be both properly respected and administered by a UK parliament. If that cannot be done, without subjugation of Scottish sovereignty, then the Act of Union is not legally competent.

“Joined” sovereignty just doesn’t work. A close derivative, “joint” sovereignty could work, but only in a confederation of equally sovereign Nation states which govern by consensual agreement, and by some arrangement that would give both Scottish and English sovereignties a power of sovereign veto over any and all joint decisions.

The first important principle is that Westminster professes to administer a single joined sovereignty, not joint sovereignty, but the nature of Scottish sovereignty and English sovereignty make this technically impossible.

The second important principle to establish is whether there is any discretion in how the issue is resolved. By that I mean there is no need for any referendum, no need for any electoral majority or public mandate. None of these can change or even influence the legitimacy or otherwise of the Act of Union.

Isn’t it the case that however awkward the consequences, sovereign legitimacy is an absolute condition, and there is no opportunity for either partial legitimacy, or justice by degree?

This brings the UK’s constitution to breaking point. It is not a UDI. The Union could still survive intact if, but only if, Westminster was to implement sweeping reforms which empowered both respective Scottish and English Parliaments to have a sovereign veto over every Westminster decision,.. but the reality of that can of worms would make Independence seem like childsplay by comparison.

@Thepnr

With all due respects to the people of Dudley, a. I’m none too enthused about their Prime Minister either. b. What they think about Scots, Scotland or Scotland’s First Minister is entirely unimportant.

As for the Express? Pretty much ditto.

The onslaught by the media has been relentless and savage since May declared her arse saving (cough)snap election. Clearly a rinse and repeat exercise of 2015’s Tartan Barbarians campaign. Use the Scots as bogie men and an unthinking UK electorate buys into the meeja bullshit because… witches.

The people of Scotland only need concern themselves with one thing and one thing only.

What KIND of country do we want to live in?

This general election, much like the referendum which will be held in the next eighteen months, is about governance by a Tory dominated Westminster which we didn’t elect.

Something for folks to think about here:

link to archive.is

The Scottish government have done the people of England no harm whatsoever. Can the same be said of the UK governments past and present?

Somehow I think, in today’s right wing mass media age, this simple question will not be asked by many. Personally I reckon we focus on ensuring we return as many of the current crop of SNP MPs a humanly possible. In the short term I believe our electorate are going to need as much protection of their rights as we can muster.

Here you go folks! This one’s worth bookmarking!

Indy Matters
link to youtube.com

Macart @ 17:07:

The Scottish government have done the people of England no harm whatsoever.

True that. Amazing how much hate can be whipped up over it too. The Tories just cannot tolerate any dissent or deviation from their party line, which is what lies behind their insidious “divisive” schtick. Too many people both north and south of the border have been so easily fooled, or dragooned, it seems. Including a shell-shocked Labour Party.

It feels as if we’re in a boat with a nutcase who’s busily priming an explosive charge on the hull below the waterline while holding a pistol on us to keep us from taking to the lifeboat.

Van Halen says:
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Claims of purdah being broken on Page 19 of the Extra this week.
link to glasgowsouthandeastwoodextra.co.uk

Cheers Chris.

rogue coder

thanks for all you do, yesnef gathering in dundee today could not have happened without all your hard work

thanks again
link to indiegogo.com

also a big tank you to all of the wingers who helped to make yesnef’s fae fife tae dundee march and event such a success

@Gfaetheblock – I don’t normally bother replying to trolls, but Michelle T has never been charged with anything.

Her business used this lawyer not her, the people who sold their houses were told they could get more on the open market but wanted a quick sale.
These folk were selling ex council houses- so do they have any right to claim the high moral ground, whichh they made a big profit from.
Have you never watched Homes under the Hammer?
One of BBCs successful progs.

Lastly, Aamer Anwar is still her lawyer, and there is such a thing as defamation

Donaldo MacKinnon, new Director of BBC Scotland, is having no effect whatsoever in her new role. Still the same old BBC bias. Why is she not challenging London news output which fails to mention the SNP in their nightly analysis of the current hustings.

Probably has to toe the line or else – oot!

I actually have sympathy for Thomson, it must be horrible to have this hanging around for such period of time and if no charges are brought, then she has lost her job because of this delay and the lack of support from the SNP. The Scottish legal system has let her and us down here.

My issue was calling this out as a construct of the evil press, when it is clearly not.

@Footsoldier

I doubt many or any on the side of Independence expected any change whatsoever with the promotion of Donaldo MacKinnon in BBC Scotland.

There’s only one thing you can do to show your displeasure and fight back and that is refuse to watch the BBC and cancel you license. Don’t pay for UK state propaganda to be beamed into your living room. Reject their propaganda as that is what they hope will keep you as a good little slave to the Brutish State.

Cancel the license. You will be all the happier for doing so, I assure you.

@Breeks says: 22 April, 2017 at 5:00 pm:

“You have said it often Robert, and I’m glad you have, however I want to ask you a pedantic question.
Is International recognition of an unlawful situation more dominant than an absence of recognition for correct legal legitimacy?”

Yes I believe that in practice it is. Now I may be wrong and there may be some legal bit I’ve missed but I was pointing out the case of Palestine just the other day here on Wings.

I honestly cannot see any real legal argument that would give Israel the legal right to occupy all former Palestine territory.

Noam Chomsky Posted in, “News”, on October 5, 2014, ” … and As long as the United States provides the necessary military, economic, diplomatic and ideological support for Israel’s illegal occupation and siege nothing will change.”

I always try to look on things from both points of view and in international law there is indeed some reason for debate :- The Israeli-occupied territories were parts of Palestine occupied by Israel during the Six-Day War of 1967. The UN called for, “The termination of all claims of ‘states of belligerency’, and that last is an International Court term applied to territory taken by illegal armed invasion.

However there were complications caused by some such ‘states of belligerency’, territory having previously already been occupied by Jordan and Israel has played upon this ever since with claims along the lines of it wasn’t Palestine territory when they invaded it. They were then backed by both the USA & the UK.

Yet Palestine has been recognised by over 200 states and been granted Observer Status by the UN. Yet still is not recognised officially because of the USA/UK support and Israel is still settling Palestine Territory.

Thereby hangs the tale. Even with the law on your side you will not get full legal recognition if the USA and some other powerful UN member states say no.

In Scotland’s case we would have the advantage of somewhat neutering the former UK’s case and the USA would think twice of opposing us as a member state in the EU.

Sorry, I did the http thing in an earlier attempted post. My bad.

What did I miss in Dundee today?

Galamcennalath 8.11am.ARE liebor trying to alienate their voters? A party that i voted for literally all my life . Scum who stabbed Scotland in the back.JHC I hate these despicable two faced b******s more than I hate the tories. And that’s saying something in my case

Just had my 2nd Scottish £20 rejected for the umpteenth time today in Bournemouth.eventually had to go to the PO,who reluctantly changed them. Just wish some of you “proudscot but ars****s lived down here,and see how much your precious union is respected. But then again that’s probably never bothered you,because you have probably never been further south than Gretna. You kneecrawling a***lickers. P

Gfaetheblock @ 6.09

Perhaps you should read this

link to wingsoverscotland.com

Robert Peffers

Ok, let’s take you version as fact. Why has she not been allowed back into the SNP and why has the party treated her so poorly?

Robert Peffers @ 7.17
I don’t think that it will just be membership of the EU that will cause the US to “caw canny” with us.
Our position in the N.Atlantic will I think be reason enough for the US to hedge it’s bets.
A position that poor Palestine doesn’t enjoy.

Do Scotland a favour, boycott sky news.

@Breeks

Thanks for your thoughts.

I am independentist because I have a soul and care for all who live in Scotland. I know my limitations and I can’t do much for the rest of the world.

Having an Independent Scotland though can do something, it would give me and a people like me a voice such that we can change things for the better. Wishful thinking? No far from it, I do believe in the principle of from small acorns grow Oak Trees.

Scotland can be an Oak Tree. That’s why I am an independentist.

That’s the trouble, pick up enough momentum and it’s hard to change direction even if it’s to save your life.

I forgot to say the the richest Europe in renewable energy.

Breeks – nice post.

I often think of those before us who have only dreamed of Independence and who were up against more hostility than any of us today can ever imagine.

Today we are constantly berated by a hostile media. 50 years ago (and more) you were, in addition, being shunned by your neighbour, friends and family.

The British Establishment is a powerful beast and will not take to losing Scotland. It cannot afford to neither morally nor financially. History has taught us that in abundance.

Might just be me but I think many of the labour old guard and Blairites would be over the moon to see corbyn fight a general election. They are banking on him losing heavily and then the feeling will be that surely he must step down.

He most likely makes way for a more mainstream neoliberal labour leader and it’s back to business as usual. The English status quo is returned and it won’t matter whether labour or the tories are in power. It will be quite acceptable to the establishment