Wings Over Scotland

Unemployment down. Employment down. Both (allegedly) true.

The only viable explaination is that almost 40k working-age people have left the country, or the figures are a fudge.

Wait! No, don’t tell me…

They’re beyond repetitive and predictable now. They’re also not very self aware or conscious of cause and effect.

It is the Heil after all.

We could have 40K on sanctions in September?
Shell reported as centralising suspend Mail spin

If you read the Daily Hate Mail or Express you must be a half empty person or you soon will be.

I think you’re confusing the Daily Hate with the Diana Express

Doh! Michael Blackley, confused.com i.e. Thick as Pig Sh*t or a deliberate liar??

Also I take it all the farmers who took advantage of the cheap FOREIGN student labour all summer, (you know them’s that don’t like JOHNNY FOREIGNERS!), assumed that they would not go back to finish their studies?? They were all really scrounging migrants.

Add in a few new pensioners / retirees and voila you have the magic 40,000.

It’s not rocket science.

Obviously to difficult for the Beeb or the Hacks to fathom out though.

As I said DOH!

You really couldn’t make it up.

As always it depends what impression you want to convey.

I am just curious how the Daily Mail found out the SNP obtained all the tools they need for actually running an economy, whilst we have all been sitting here demanding those very things. Strange.

There can be a number of reasons for economic inactivity not least retirement. However, if people are not claiming benefits and are not looking for work what do the Mail suggest…cattle trucks and Arbeit macht frei?

The Scottish unemployment numbers are slightly better than the UKs so I suppose the opposition and the Wail have to moan about something. The thing is when Scotland’s total number in employment was higher than the UKs and the unemployment worse which do you think they highlighted then 🙂

Don’t advertise in the Daily Racist – you know it makes sense.

I like the last line……’lagging behind rUK’, aye a whole 0.1%

It rather reminds me of those click bait articles you see on the front of magazines

” My dog bit a man”—– only to find down the page it was because the man kicked it.

I am always astonished how British journo’s seem to have no concept of economic figures, state structures, democratic processes, macro-economy, basic calculus, backgrounds, abstractions – or anything else that would qualify them to write on matters that matter. We see serious flaws in what used to be serious papers and only a nodding relation to reality for the Andrex press.
Coupled to a notorious inability to understand foreign languages or cultures, this leads to jawdropping results like the ones at hand.

The UK Oil tax is 40%. (When the price had fallen) Disproportionate (discriminatory) of all other industries in the UK. Discriminatory tax/tarriffs on Scottish industry and enterprise. Thousands of Oil & Gas sector jobs have been lost in Scotland (UK). If the the tax was lowered, (when the price is low) there would be an increase in jobs in Scotland (UK). Scotland would have near full employment. The balance of payments would go down. Less imported, untaxed, fracked US Gas etc. The deficit and the debt would go down. Scotland would be more prosperous and more equal with good skilled jobs. It is not an either or.The sectors are not mutually exclusive. Until there are alternatives. Renewables are also majority supported. Electric cars are 4 times cheaper to run. Electric car production are subsidised to help expansion.

The Trump Organisation in Scotland is a good employer. Above average pay rates. £9+ for 18 year olds plus. Plus really great tips. An opportunity to meet premier sports people etc. for those interested in Sports. More remuneration for experienced skilled staff. Plus skilled training programmes. Good working conditions. People want to work there. A prestigious Development. Beautifully laid out and we’ll run. Trump has invested £Millions in Scotland. Golfing holidays/tourism have increased 100%. Visitors/tourism will now increase.

If Trump can stop illegal wars. He has done the world a favour. His family are unassuming decent folk. They come in and out Aberdeen Airport on ordinary flights with no fuss. They are hardworking. Polite and pleasant to everyone they meet. Engage everyone in conversation and try to work with people. The drive ordinary (small) cars and are comfortable, but not flash. They have some curious shooting traits. Sit in someone’s chair out of place, but are told off because of it.

The Trump Development is not complete because of Scotland’s planning laws. In Scotland you can’t build anywhere. Necessity strict Planning Laws. In the US States you can build everywhere. A small number of opportunist, sleekit, deceiving undemocratic Greens and locals opposed the Development. Trying to make money and cheap publicity opposing the Development and wasting £Millions of public money.

The Development was supported by a majority of the locals, region and the rest of Scotland. All business interests, tourism groups and Chambers of Commerce. All political Parties except the Greens. Alex Salmond supported his constituency. Behaving impeccable in their interest. Opposition to the wind turbines in the Bay were a diversion. Trump jnr stated that fact. The Development could get back on track, when the economic climate improves.

Trump is not in Federal Gov in isolation. There are 535 ? Other elected delegates in Congress. 435 in the Senate which needs a 2/3 majority. The Republicans do not have that. 100 in the House of Representative. 2 from each State. 1/3 are elected every two years. There will be 1/3 of elections to the House of Representatives 18 months after Trump is installed. People can vote against if they want. The Republicans has a 53 to 47 majority – 6 in the House of Representative. That could change. A third will be up for election in 18 months time. Check and balances. Legislation take time to get through.

It is (individual) States Law that affect most Americans day to day lives. Welfare administration, policing, medical care , schooling etc. That is paid for privately or through insurance. Or public provision/subscription/charity for less well off. Means tested. Philanthropy.

I am a nerd, politically speaking, I get the press release from ONS, amongst others so I read this earlier on in the week, and thought how can they spin this to SNP Bad?

link to ons.gov.uk

its got graphs and everything.

Main points
For the 3 months ending September 2016, the highest employment rate in the UK was in the South East (78.0%) and the lowest was in Northern Ireland (69.9%). Compared with April to June 2016, the employment rate estimates showed a range of reasonably large increases and decreases for the regions and countries of the UK.

For the 3 months ending September 2016, the highest unemployment rate in the UK was in the North East (6.1%) and the lowest was in the South East (3.6%). Compared with April to June 2016, the unemployment rate estimates are showing a few reasonably large changes, both increases and decreases, for the regions of the UK. The unemployment rate for London at 5.6% is at the lowest level since comparable records began in 1992.

For October 2016, the highest Claimant Count rate in the UK was in the North East (4.1%) and the lowest was in the South East (1.3%). Compared with September 2016, the majority of regions saw no change in the Claimant Count rate. The exceptions were Northern Ireland, which saw a decrease of 0.1 percentage point and the West Midlands and the North East, which both increased by 0.1 percentage point.

For the 3 months ending September 2016, the highest economic inactivity rate in the UK was in Northern Ireland (25.8%) and the lowest was in the South East (19.0%). The largest change in the economic inactivity rate, compared with the same period last year, was in Northern Ireland, which decreased by 1.9 percentage points.

Between March 2016 and June 2016, the largest increase in workforce jobs in the UK was in London at 54,000. The largest decrease was in the North West at 15,000.

In June 2016, the region with the highest proportion of workforce jobs in the service sector was London at 91.4%, which had decreased by 0.1 percentage points since March 2016. Wales had the highest proportion of jobs in the production sector at 13.2%.

The highest average actual weekly hours worked, for the 12 months ending June 2016, was in London at 33.5 hours and lowest in the North East, Yorkshire and The Humber, the South West and Scotland, all at 31.3 hours. For full-time workers, it was highest in London at 38.1 hours and for part-time workers it was highest in Northern Ireland at 16.9 hours.

Thrawn rhymes with prawn, which is nice. The rhyme that is, not sure about the other.

Ken500

Heinrich Himmler was a chicken farmer.

But all that nice fascism aside, the real blight on Scots and the Scottish economy is the money supply in the economy and lack of it. For decades, not Scots oil and gas revenue flows over Scotland, directly in to the Treasury, the City and building giant corps like BP and Shell, who then built up the giant pension fund foundations of the City. Its great if you have one, a big pension that is.

Economies like Norway and Germany took a different economic route, keeping their money supply directly in their economies. Subsequently, SME that actually make things have boomed in these countries. Although now Germany suffers a massive skilled worker shortage.

Its simple economics, low money supply, low economic activity. Our chums in the south know all of this and its why London and the south east enjoy a super heating economy, paid for by the not Scots oil and gas revenue.

Meanwhile, tory BBC led hackdom continues to explain to Scots how shite they are at running the Scottish economy.

there is the old tried and tested method used by Westminster Governments over the last fifty years and that is to place the unemployed on so called ‘training courses’ or get them into further education.

That way they don’t appear on the unemployment stats

headtracker

“Heinrich Himmler was a chicken farmer”

And a damned good one – egg laying rates increased enormously once the firing squads were introduced!

He should have stuck with it.

@ Thrawn, fair, truthful and unbiased reportage is all we want. No idea what your agenda is though, if pushed I’d say it was trolling.

OK ONS is it?

In Scotland the ONS has reported today 17 November 2016 that between 2004 and 2006, (Labour) the total investment in Research and development has risen from a starting point in 2004 of £430 million to £460 million in 2006 to when the SNP took over. In 2007 till 2015 it increased by 100s of Millions per year to £871 Million in 2015.

SNP Better for Scotland, SNP Better for R&D, SNP Better for You.

You wont see that in any newspaper!

The day we get tired of pointing out the Yoon medias lies and manipulation of information for their own political agenda, is the day we give up, lie down and accept being dumped on by Westminster is all we’re good for.

Or in other words, no.

Just heard Ligger Neil on his daily BBC party political broadcast on behalf of planet toryboy, explain to another toryboy that Trump told him that he would force the EU to give the UK a great Brexit deal.

Its going to be great! The Ligger looks like he had really good time in the brave new Trump USA though. Cat got the cream smirks all round that BBC studio.

I won’t be drawn
by you dear Thrawn
Och ok then I will

I know not really
What you are
Just thick or maybe

A shill

Or maybe you are not a shill
you may mean no harm at all
I might be very wrong dear Thrawn
But I think you’re a Troll

Andrew McLean
I did inquire about the Wings dating service.

We need to rebuild our community by having more children and promoting proper values, good health and strengthening our links with the soil. Oops, did that sound a bit NAZI British nationalist. 🙂

That’s the thing, the above sentiment sounds reasonably benign, if a bit cliched. In fact, that’s “blood and sol” ideology that is. It becomes imperialist/nationalist colonialism when you start exporting that belief system and resulting social structure on others, whilst retaining ownership and control over the ideology and the benefits of the production of the dominated ‘others’.

The original version of “blood and soil” nationalism (early contemporary British nationalism) was born in the Home Counties of Victorian England, largely as a response to the growing demand for social reform that had been liberated by the French Revolution, as well as the threat posed by growing international competition to Britain’s imperial might. Contemporary British nationalism could be interpreted as the progenitor of NAZI ideology and was intended as a means of mobilising the masses behind patriotism towards the Establishment.

Scottish nationalism is a bit different, innit.

Put the master’s tools down.

Fred
The evictions are due to badly written legislation by previous Labour/liberal administration.
If Kenny is been targeted it’s just a case of SNP bad.
However having said that, the current Government should take responsibility for the Lab/lib screw up and compensate the people affected.
I have seen their farm and Falcon breeding facility and a lot of work has gone into it, it will be very difficult to replicate elsewhere without distress to the Birds.

P.S. It was Alfred Milner, 1st Viscount Milner (Fabian), who thought socialism the most suitable vehicle for spreading British nationalist ideology.

Alfred Milner, 1st Viscount Milner planned and implemented British civilian concentration/labour camps during the second Boer War.

CamernoB Brodie

Yes someone on off topic proclaimed his desire to mate recently,

I blame the Ruth Davidson “you name it I will mount it” party.
Scotland In union, I thought was a undemocratic assemblage of lonely old men, now I understand, its fervent desire to see all of Scotland in flagrante delicto, and that is not a new range of Nardini’s Raspberry Ripple.

fred

re Kenny Gibson and what his view is on what is happening on Arran re tenancy

No Idea. Why don’t you email him and then get back to us all?

O/T Donald Trump has just banned anyone serving in his administration from working as a paid lobyist for five years after they leave. The politicos in WC are going apeshit. He wants purists, not troughers.

As Michael Moore put it so eloquently:

“The enemy of my enemy”

What troubles me isn’t this usual shit in the papers or on the BBC.

Where is the positive momentum which will bind us to the EU? Just after Brexit, now what, 6 months ago, I said we would need summits held to keep European figureheads and “big hitters” visible in Scotland, and keep control of the pro European agenda precisely so we don’t sit for hours contemplating the detritus which floats around a stagnant pond.

The moment Independence became tied to Brexit, we forfeited the initiative, and right enough here we are Six months down the line, but not a single step further forward, and still loitering around the starting blocks waiting for Theresa May to run home and fetch her gym shoes.

I don’t want to be critical of the SNP, because they already get it from all directions, even if 95% of the rhetoric is fabricated nonsense. But I get this horrible feeling the SNP’s Brexit portfolio is just as thin and short of ideas as Theresa May’s Brexit folder. Please somebody, tell me I’m wrong.

Following the Brexit result, which revealed a healthy core of opinion in Scotland for staying in the EU, what has been done to consolidate that opinion? What has been done to explore what Europe can physically do to assist Scotland in a material way to resist the corrosive media and propaganda? It is dangerous to assume our support for Europe is some obsidian edifice which can endure whatever is thrown at it. It needs to be looked after and nurtured.

Where is the narrative about what Scotland is going to do after Theresa May finally presses the Brexit button?

The SNP seems satisfied to have wrong footed the Unionist media by leaving pro Independence rhetoric significant by its absence. Well, fine. Jolly good. But can somebody explain to me how we now kick start pro Independence momentum without actually mentioning the “i” word?

I could make a list of opportunities which the pro Independence movement has frankly missed, but it wouldn’t be helpful. But to illustrate what I mean, remember just after the YES vote was defeated, all the Unionist parties were committed to more powers for Scotland, but none had really articulated what that meant? To me, a snap plebiscite would have seized the “Vow” initiative away from the Unionist victory and stolen their thunder by having the Scottish electorate define which additional powers were to be devolved. Nothing happened of course, and without any sustained campaign to capture the initiative, the issues were diluted to meaningless politicking said in the heat of the moment and fudged to deliver nothing. We had a real opportunity to seize the initiative but did nothing.

I feel the same way now. Brexit has put the ball at our feet again, and we have European players to the left and right, and up ahead but well on side, all screaming for the ball.. and we dither. We sit on the ball. We think the ref is going to whistle. We slow the game down to a crawl.

“Things” are going for us; Brexit, EU antipathy towards Westminster, global markets cold shouldering Brexit deals until the international protocols are adhered to, the Vow a complete fabrication, the £ in turmoil, uncertainty about the UK rife, and every promise of 2014 broken or exposed as a downright lie. A little bit of initiative goes a long way to make safe the gains we can draw from all this…. but we wait.

But if we wait, and wait, and wait, do nothing, … that lost initiative mutates into something else, a dangerous inertia which gets ever harder to shift once wider events become less favourable for us.

It isn’t the faith I doubt, it isn’t the confidence, it isn’t that I think somebody is better suited to the task…. It’s the game plan. Why are we sitting on the ball and looking as equally glum about the future as Theresa May is? We do have our tunnel dug, false papers forged, uniforms turned into civilian clothes, and our map of the border. It’s all done, we’re ready. We are getting out of this… aren’t we???

Donald Trump, a giant liar, a bully, a sexual molester of women, climate change denier, delusions of grandeur, Nazi style policy pronouncements

He’ll fit right in at Westminster, watch them kiss his Arse

@Cloggins says: 17 November, 2016 at 11:29 am:

“I am always astonished how British journo’s seem to have no concept of economic figures, state structures, democratic processes, macro-economy, basic calculus, backgrounds, abstractions – or anything else that would qualify them to write on matters that matter.”

Och! Cloggins, Have you not worked out yet that these, “Journalists”(sic), have learned the correct spelling of all the words in the English dictionary, (and only a few), have learned how to properly punctuate and avoid split infinitive. Trouble is none of them ever learnt to comprehend what the words actually mean.

Thus, in their closed minds they are not telling lies for to them such terms as, “Great Britain, Britain, The Country, The United Kingdom, The Union and England are all mutually synonymous each to the other.

Their numeracy skills are in no way better than their literacy skills in that they nearly all leaned basic arithmetic but not the more complex arithmetic skills, (like finding a total if there are more than two whole numbers or if the two whole numbers have more than four digits between them).

As for anything with algebraic annotation they tend to interpret these as words and, of course, we know they cannot comprehend word meanings anyway.

As for deductions drawn from any other forms of mathematics, over and above, basic arithmetic, ranks along with their knowledge of such languages as Archi: –

(see – link to en.wikipedia.org).

As we say in Scotland. “Ye canna mak a silk purse frae a soo’s lug”.

” … We see serious flaws in what used to be serious papers and only a nodding relation to reality for the Andrex press.
Coupled to a notorious inability to understand foreign languages or cultures, this leads to jawdropping results like the ones at hand.”

Methinks you may be crediting these congenital idiots with much more formal education than the, “Journalists”, (sic), actually warrant.

O/T
BBC Scotland recently introduced a hideous graphic which flashes up prior to the start of FMQs.

Once proceedings start every time the name of an MSP or (inevitably Unionist) journalist being interviewed is shown on the screen that hideous graphic backs the name making it very difficult to read the name.

Adittionally, the names appear for a very short time.

Is it just my eyes or are other people having a similar problem.

OK, “blood and soil” ideology also has a good bit to say about the benefits of returning to the countryside, which was felt promoted health and vitality. The original Home Counties version of “blood and soil” ideology was based on imperial Rome, not the Roman Republic. It formed the base for the formative understanding and practice of British town and country planning. Funny that. British nationalism has been planned in to the environment for over a century yet the Royal Town Planning Institute now proscribe planning ideology out of the environment. Have done for over thirty years, yet HMG still says it owns Scotland and British national ideology is imposes against the wishes of possible half the voting population of Scotland (through Westminster policy and the BBC, for example).

I hate hypocrisy built on fudge. It’s unsightly and unsustainable. I also want my inalienable human rights respected. The denial of one right undermines the integrity and sustainability of legal protection provided by the broader framework of human rights legislation. Maintaining the integrity of human rights legislation is of primary importance to achieving a sustainable future. Westminster egregiously ignores human rights when it conflicts with Westminster and British nationalist interests.

“The right to development is an inalienable human right by virtue of which every human person and all peoples are entitled to participate in, contribute to, and enjoy economic, social, cultural and political development, in which all human rights and fundamental freedoms can be fully realized.” (Article 1.1, Declaration on the Right to Development)

“The human right to development also implies the full realization of the right of peoples to self-determination, which includes, subject to the relevant provisions of both International Covenants on Human Rights, the exercise of their inalienable right to full sovereignty over all their natural wealth and resources.” (Article 1.2)

link to un.org

@Andrew McLean says: 17 November, 2016 at 12:32 pm:

“You wont see that in any newspaper!”

I won’t see anything in newspapers, Andrew. I don’t read them anymore.

This from a guy who used to read, (the then), best broadsheet from first to last page on his way to work and finish the hardest cryptic crossword, (most days), in his tea and lunch breaks.

Then read his, (swapped with his mate’s), tabloid on the train and bus journey on his way home.

In between time we had a crypto, (Teletype), machine connected to News Agencies running and printing out breaking news before it got into the papers, TV and radio.

I’m still a news junkie and have bookmarked Reuters UK on my computer network. I just no longer believe a word from the UK media anymore.

Flower of Scotland
Don’t know what scots government position is on this, however it’s generally accepted that evictions possible due to badly written rplegistration from previous administration therefore current Administration should take responsibility.

Awwh is poor wee Dan worried he might have to pay tax on his acres and acres o’ Scotland come Independence again @ Peter McCulloch at 2:58 pm

Nae idea on Tom Holland who is he??

“When nationalists both north and south of the border claim that they embody the future, they ignore the proven capacity of the union to evolve.”

So they use the we’re the same as UKIP or Trumpsters angle.

“The spirit embodied by Scotland in Union is one that we are confident can revitalise the whole of the United Kingdom. It reminds us of what we have in common, not what separates us; of what can be accomplished in the future, as well as everything that together we have achieved in the past.”

And Scotland in Union get a mention too, they really are spoiling us 🙂

link to thecourier.co.uk

What no “Scotland Unionist Parties betray their electorate by reversing Single Market support despite 62% voting to remain part of the EU” articles.

See what we mean yet Thrawn the Unionist Pawn?

TODAY. Off Topic:
“Plans to enshrine ‘a right to access to food’ in Scots Law”
“———-The working group was set up by Scottish ministers in October 2015 to examine food insecurity and poverty.

Equalities secretary Angela Constance said: “We have been very clear – no one should have to rely on emergency food provision in a country as prosperous as Scotland.

“As the report from the working group highlighted, food poverty is a symptom of wider poverty and the UK government’s harmful welfare cuts and benefit sanctions regime has clearly pushed more and more people into an income crisis, increasing the demand for emergency food.————-”

I am wondering what Ruth Davidson and all the other Tory people in Scotland have to say about this.
They should hang their heads in shame.
Their Tory cuts,but others starving!

BBC Scotland Archived: link to archive.is

@Peter McCulloch – I detest Dan Snow.

Another over-privileged BritNat who got a job on the BBC because of his dad – nepotism.

Father in law – was the richest man in UK,payed no death duties

Jack Murphy says:
17 November, 2016 at 3:21 pm
TODAY. Off Topic:

This is horrifying

“It is one of the recommendations in a report published by the Independent Working Group on Food Poverty.

The group said the change to the legal system would “not in itself end food insecurity”.

Brexit means Brexit. Trump means Trump. Hungry people means…

liz says:
17 November, 2016 at 3:32 pm
@Peter McCulloch – I detest Dan Snow.

Dan Snow’s one of life in the UKOK zone’s winners. His dad’s Irish not that that means anything.

How to compare and contrast Dan, with say a filthy rich tax evader what’s owns the Daily Heil. Dan’s a plebster really but he’s got much more money.

Red tory Graun’s rather odd line up of nutters that dont want to pay any tax in the UK. They’re happy to pay French taxes for example,

link to archive.is

Rothermere’s son Jonathan by his first wife inherited the Daily Mail, also through a Jersey trust, and a Bermuda-registered offshore entity. Jonathan is estimated to be worth £760m. He has not denied claiming tax concessions as a “non-dom”, on the grounds that his father lived in Paris. He resides at Ferne Park, a stately home in Wiltshire built for him by architect Quinlan Terry.

So the deranged neo fascist that owns the Heil, can dodge UK taxes because his dad live in Paris but he actually lives in a mansion in Wiltshire. Maybe they moved Wiltshire over to France. Lucky France.

Cameron B Brodie.
You are right. Time for the referendum fight must be chosen carefully, and the time is not now.
We fight when we KNOW we are going to win.
Zhukov was a strategist who went into battle knowing he would win but was ruthless with casualties.
Montgomery, at El Alamein, went into battle only when he was sure he would win and outnumbered the enemy in all departments. He held back and kept his nerve, despite pressure from Churchill, until victory was certain.
The El Alamein strategy is what we must do. Keep our nerve. Don’t be tempted or forced to rush into a hasty decision. Wait till all the signs are in our favour and win this time.
We will only have one chance. If we go too soon, and lose, it could be the end of the dream of independence for many years (or ever). Certainly it is unlikely the SNP would survive as a major force.

Also @ liz says 17 November, 2016 at 3:32 pm

Dan Snow’s an Oxford Graduate who’s wife is the She is the second daughter of the late 6th Duke of Westminster,

His Great Grandfather led the retreat from Mons, and was one of the Donkeys that led the Lions at the Somme then Cambrai (General Sir Thomas D’Oyly Snow).

He did a wee documentary proclaiming his Great Grandad was a good guy and not a butcher/useless bast*rd.

His Great Uncle is a Bishop

His other Great-Grandfather was The Earl Lloyd George of Dwyfor, aye that Lloyd George.

So Landed Gentry, Military, Church and State all boxes ticked.

Just the man to tell us Jockos to get back in our wee box then 🙂

Apparently we (the UK) now have the highest recorded level of employment since records began in 1971.

It’d be interesting to see the percentage of that figure receiving some form of state “subsidy” (ie tax credits/housing benefit etc) to their wages.

Do you all feel prosperous then?

Fireproofjim
I surrender. Must have picked things up the wrong, as I was under the mistaken impression that Zhukov was the underdog.

Gone right off him now. 😉

@Scotland in Union
I doubt you lot would be able to plan towards a successful picnic, let alone a sustainable future for the nation of Scotland. Well, sustainability demands the inclusion of all. That won’t be the sort of ideology for your sort, eh?

What substantiates their opinion, other than ideology?

Ideology provides a poor base on which to base one’s judgement.

Wealth does not ensure common sense.

Wealth does not trump human rights.

“The right to development is an inalienable human right by virtue of which every human person and all peoples are entitled to participate in, contribute to, and enjoy economic, social, cultural and political development, in which all human rights and fundamental freedoms can be fully realized.” (Article 1.1, Declaration on the Right to Development)

“The human right to development also implies the full realization of the right of peoples to self-determination, which includes, subject to the relevant provisions of both International Covenants on Human Rights, the exercise of their inalienable right to full sovereignty over all their natural wealth and resources.” (Article 1.2)

link to un.org

@Pete and his scientific research food project

Some deep and meaningful research there Pete son and all of us on this particular site would definitely agree with you

I have spoken to Yoons and most of them are prats just like you and there’s really no need to be a prat is there (I would have thought)

I see the Rev bragging about his manly conquests over on Twitter.

Apparently he used a hammer and penknife to effect 2 car repairs.

Jeez, before you know it he’ll be kicking tyres.

I blame it on the SNP.

heedtracker says at 4:04 pm

Scots are probably the most generous charity donors but our local charities don’t have the advertising power of the National (UK) charities and often get ignored.

For example Save the Children with their huge salaries

as highlighted by Cottonjock

link to caltonjock.com

gets much greater priority over the leading Scottish children’s charity Children 1st.

or Great Ormond Street Hospital whose charity income was over £66 million in 2012.

So can’t understand why Sainsbury’s is promoting this in Scotland when the local Sick Kids hospitals that treat their customers children get a fraction of this sum.

Another problem with having a branch economy run from London HQs

Just watched Gordon Buchanan the nature guy taking Dermot O’leary around Scotland to have a look at some animals

Dermot says to Gordon politely “It’s a beautiful country you have you must be so proud” Cringeing Gordon says “It’s your country too now, the referendum sorted that one out lets have a toast to that”

See this is the stupidity of the cringers
Try going down to England and telling the people there England belongs to Scottish people, they’ll throw you in the nearest canal while they laughingly call you a Jock (insert unpleasant name)
That’s the problem with the cringers they don’t seem to realise it only goes one way

If you keep bending the knee the best you can expect is a slap on the head while you’re looking up with please treat me well eyes….Fido

Cameron B Brodie
Find most of your postings nothing but pretentious rubbish.
You sound like a perpetual student who has never done a day’s work in your life.
You prattle on about human rights but completely ignore individual responsibilities.
I Imagine we taxpayers are keeping you afloat.

@Dr Jim – there are no words to describe such cringing, it is embarrassing

Forelock tugger with one eye on his career, someone else to avoid on TV(had to look him up first to see who he was)

As said by other posters here today we have Historians Dan Snow and Tom Holland teeming up once again, this time alongside Scotland In Union.

These two London based upper echelon types, you know those educated at public schools and then Oxbridge were highly vocal before the first referendum so not really surprised to see them once more sticking their nose in.

Between them they were responsible for the Lets Stay Together campaign which gave us celebrities such as Sir Paul McCartney, Bowie, Cilla Black etc all imploring that we stay.

Please stay Scotland was the message!

Well we know how that worked out on the 19th Sep with Cameron on the doorstep of Downing street telling the Scots to GTF.

They even produced a video shown in the Guardian called “Scotland, your my best friend”. We know how that worked out.

link to theguardian.com

Couple of months later we had the 215 signatures begging Scotland to stay, this organised by Snow and Holland.

The letter was organised by historians Dan Snow and Tom Holland, both of whom are prominent supporters of the unionist campaign, “Better Together”.

link to rt.com

Well now they’re back to tell us that “Scotland in Union” is for your own good. Fall in line then sweaties. Hear the word of your betters.

link to twitter.com

pete
I understand a few ologies. I’ve also recovered from severe physical trauma that left me badly brain damaged, lived on the street, built a business up from scratch (without any startup capital or prior knowledge of business or the sector I was trading in), managed PTSD and survived to release “The Methodology of the Oppressed” in to the wilds of Scotland. I think I understand the concept of responsibilities. You just haven’t a clue, do you?

Would you like to meet?

After seeing the bit about Gordon Buchanan I do wonder of it’s a requirement to be Brit mindset to get the jobs: Neil Oliver, Muriel Gray. They have the exaggerated, halfpanny Scottish accents and tramp across the heather, but turn out to hate the Scots for wanting to run their own affairs.

Perhaps playing the ‘Scottish chappie’ is what the producers want. The Scot who fits in his given place, like John Brown, in his kilt, always subservient to his betters.

According to Pete, the PRINCIPLES OF CONTEMPORARY SOCIAL SCIENCE are ramblings. There’s that anti-science perspective again.

I guess Pete likes to spend time bending knee and tugging with FAN-BOY, in their shabby tent of diminished BEING.

Dan Snow, is that not the guy whose family owns vast areas of land in Scotland.

No wonder he’s begging for us not to go. Probably shitting himself at how much money he might lose out on.

Is there anything more pathetic than Yoons begging to protect their self interests? No, not really.

BBC Politics
2 hrs ·
He said he had achieved his political ambition with Brexit, but is the House of Lords Nigel Farage’s next stop?

Have to hand to the toryboys, they are shameless lying basterds. Title of my latest movie. Jeremy Clarkson is, shameless lying basterd Lord Nigel Farage.

link to ukipmeps.org

“We are seeing is an increasingly authoritarian European Union that crushes democratic rights and then actually crows about it” said Nigel Farage in the European Parliament, Strasbourg today before Presidents Juncker and Tusk.

Arise Lord Farage, you lying bastard.

@Socrates MacSporran says: 17 November, 2016 at 4:29 pm:

“After today, Buffalo Gal not only has a face like a well-skelpt erse, she also got her erse well skelpt.”

Not an uncommon event, Socrates. Not that you will read about it, see it or hear it on the Scottish, (sic), media.

“As for Dippity Dug – I do admire that girl’s courage, every week she stands up and gets smacked down, but, she keeps coming back for more.”

Oh! Well spotted, Socrates. I’ve been trying for ages to remember what it was about the Dippity Dug that reminded me of something I just could not place.

It was that daft game, from way back when, “Whackamole”.

The wee blind creatures keep popping up at random from lots of wee holes. The player has a large mallet and must try and whack the wee moles when they suddenly, and randomly, pop up in through those wee holes.

So, pun not intended, you hit the mole, (err!), nail on the head. FMQs is like Whackamole and no matter how many moles you whack – the daft wee buggers just keep on popping back up again to get whacked yet again and again.

@One_Scot

I don’t think Dan Snow himself owns land in Scotland. The link is through his wife Lady Edwina Louise Grosvenor daughter of the 6th Duke of Westminster who recently passed away.

Lady Edwina Louise Grosvenor who is a goddaughter of Princess Diana is not a main beneficiary of the Dukes estate which is all held in a trust fund the “Grosvenor Estate” meaning that the new 7th Duke of Westminster, Lady Edwina’s younger brother Hugh Grosvenor “avoided what could otherwise have been a multibillion-pound tax bill when he inherited the estate from his father.”

The trust own 96,000 acres of land in Scotland as well as 32,000 in Spain and most of Mayfair & Belgravia in London.

Hugh is a godfather to Prince George son of Prince William and as such 3rd in line to the throne behind his father and Prince Charles.

Dan Snow is right, Scotland please stay (allow us to carry on as before, please we don’t need things to change) it’s just you we’re thinking of, honest.

Pete says:@ 4:01

“A bit of self reliance is required I would have thought.”

Maybe what is required is a bit of self-awareness Pete!

Peace Always

pete
Yes, you are keeping me as I am disabled and was so before I got my degree. Shall I stop living just for you? You might be able to get an extra round in on Friday night, if I did that, just for you.

Farague is absolute crook. A total lying ‘Psycho Bastard’. He should be in jail. He has lied and funded a Political Party with public money. He is destroying the world economy. He is a thief and a crook. Arron Banks is his bag man.He launders the stolen money through his tax evading offshore funds. Wiki leaks. Two total crook who are trying to line their pockets by murdering and maiming millions of innocent people.

The Tory want to give him a Knighthood to keep him quiet. The reason they want out of the EU is so they can keep on tax evading and embezzling public money. The authorities should be investigating his affair. Undeclared Accounts and tax evading offshore Accounts.

The Tories are ruining the world economy. The EU is not responsible for the migration in Europe.
The UK/US and the French have been illegally bombing the Middle East for years and taking their resources. Causing the biggest migration crisis since 11WW. There would be no migration into the UK from the EU if the UK/US and France had not been illegal bombing the Middle East for years. They are causing the migration crisis, refusing to help and then blaming the EU. They are pathetic
criminal liars They should be put in jail. The most disgusting evil cretins ever put on the face of the earth.

Vote SNP/SNP. Vote for Independence.

Tinto Chiel
Thank you, very kind. I have had to get buy with nothing but bull before. 🙂

No, you actually are wrong. IF and when I want to lay in to the SNP, trust me, you won’t be left in any doubt about it.

But I also struggle with the line that you can’t start the Indyref2 campaign until there is a majority to win it.

Ok, there is a little bit of sense to that, but what about the pre-Indyref2 campaign? The campaign to build momentum and support for Independence and partnership with Europe so that support is growing and momentum is already building when the formal campaign begins?

We seem to in a stalled campaign where we sit back and hope all the muck being thrown up about Europe being on the brink of collapse and needed defended from the Russians is not going to erode support for the EU. Add to this other daily salvo of propaganda telling us Brexit is ok, it’s not so bad, we’re all going to be fine.

Take a step back and look. There is currently a well funded ongoing campaign in Scotland to move public opinion; to erode support for the EU and muster acceptance if not outright support for Brexit. Please tell me you can see that. It’s not subtle, it’s not sophisticated, but it’s ever present in the media.

Where is the counter campaign? The campaign to promote Europe and spell out the damage which Brexit is going to suffer on all our heads? Are we really doing our own YES referendum in reverse and using the Unionist strategy of trusting that our majority opinion in favour of Europe is large enough to survive any assault?

If you’re happier that criticism is aimed at somebody else besides the SNP, then have it whichever way you like it, but it’s something that needs to start happening or we will fall to the same devices which tripped us up in 2014, we will find ourselves out of Europe in economic meltdown, and with an Indyref2 campaign already stillborn.

If the SNP is alert to the dangers and pulling out all the stops, then that’s terrific news, but it needs to be seen, because the Britnat media needs us all to be asleep if we are to sleepwalk into Brexit, and right now it’s they who are winning the mind battle.

That isn’t SNP bad or despair about failure, that is a strategic alarm call to avoid repetition of past failure.

Anyone got money on Dr NO! popping up in the BBC Question Time audience tonight?

link to twitter.com

5/4 Dr NO! right in the middle of audience.
10/1 Dr NO! shouts “Disgrace” at anyone SNP.
2/1 No actual SNP on Question Time show, from Sterling is it?

BBC Question Time ?@bbcquestiontime Nov 10
If you’d like to apply to be in an upcoming #bbcqt audience, you can do so here, only local and angry tory nutters allowed.

As for Dan Snow & his Westminster connections & thousands of acres of cleared land. The pre-war duke, like many of his peers, was a Nazi.”

2014 was a rather squeeky bum time for Dan and the rest of the filthy rich tories what own and run their devolved territories of greater England. It must have seemed like the French revolution in that last week run up to 18th Sept 2014, for the whole planet toryboy shebang, their hired goon liggers in particular.

Or, as big slob currently loafing around a leafy suburb Glasgow south side says,

Blair McDougall ?@blairmcdougall Nov 9
@KennyFarq @JamieRoss7 we certainly held back a tide that’s overwhelmed others but we had a simpler message that took on populist offer.

Robert Peffers,

“The Scottish Legal system, agreed by the Treaty of Union to remain independent in perpetuity, is based upon the people of Scotland being legally sovereign. So Westminster’s claims of sovereignty are lies.”

You don’t have the foggiest idea of “sovereignty” means in practice.

The reconvened Scottish parliament has very limited powers and an even lower budget.

Scottish MPs are outnumbered 11 to 1 at Westminster and cannot get a single thing passed. They have ZERO powers at Westminster.

The Scottish “plebs” were never “sovereign”. They only got the right to vote under Westminster laws, not from any Scottish declarations nor from the Scottish legal system.

Colonised Scots claiming to be “sovereign” to “foreigners” must be the laughing stock of the world.

Westminster, IN PRACTICE, is “sovereign” and has been since the Treaty of Union.

Any document giving “sovereignty” to the “plebs” of Scotland will become worth the paper it is written on when Scotland is independent with a democratic written constitution giving equal rights to all citizens.

The Scottish Legal system is rotten to the core and the vast majority of lawyers, especially judges, are the lowest of the low.

Dan Snow has always been an establishment plank and it comes in handy to marry into the Grosvenor family, who barely pay a bawbee in tax (unlike the rest of us), despite their fabulous wealth.

Tom Holland is a disappointment. His “In The Shadow of The Sword” was a very brave account of the origins of Islam, Christianity and the Jewish faith which risked a considerable backlash. A relative of mine worked on the subsequent documentary and there was a lot of heavy stuff from some religious groups who didn’t like what he said, and the film was pretty much neutered after that.

Unlike Dan, he is intelligent, but many people got involved with the “Hug A Sweaty” campaign during Indyref1 (Bowie, anyone?) from a patronising and condescending attitude to the wee Scots stokers on board HMS Rule Britannia. I don’t believe they’re all hardcore Britnats, they’re just people whose opinions are completely irrelevant to me, and to many on here, I suspect.

Now Gavin Esler and his wee magic border cairnie, that’s another kettle of fish…..

Anyone not wanting to click on the direct link to the BUM rag in Thepnr’ post at 5:58pm can easily access the Youtube footage by Googling = Scotland, you’re my best friend. Plenty results!
_____
Andrew Mclean wrote to Pete:

“You don’t also have a problem with young pregnant women as well do you, just asking because we had an insidious yoon on here recently who was fixated by that demographic.”

I was wondering when someone would catch onto that, well done.
One and the same me thinks.

@Pete says: 17 November, 2016 at 5:47 pm:

“I Imagine we taxpayers are keeping you afloat”

Here, Pete old son, is a wee bit of friendly advice from an old man who has seen and learned a great deal throughout his life and has always been ready to learn, – even yet, in my old age. Something new learned every day.

Now, from experience, I can usually sum up most people in a very short time and you are no exception. What you are doing posting here on Wings is, in your mind, Pete being oh! So clever and telling those nasty Cybernats what’s what.

In fact all you have done so far is expose yourself as a blethering idiot and, what’s more, every succeeding post from you only serves to amplify your idiocy. You are either very young and uneducated, Many from the public school system who believe themselves well educated are anything but well educated.

So here’s the thing, your first effort was utterly obnoxious and quite an indicator of an undereducated, self important numptie. In that you exposed yourself as not being aware that it is a proven scientific fact that the foods cheaply available to the poorest in the World are the foods that are most certain to cause obesity.

I’ll put that another way for you. It is not the sheer quantity of food that causes obesity but the type of diet that does. If you had visited the famine hit parts of the World you would have seen little children, on the point of death from starvation and they have spindly limbs and swollen pot bellies. Secondly calorie restricted diets do indeed lose a dieter weight – they also do not work in the long term because the dieter’s metabolism changes.

Now you come up with the idiotic claim that, “I Imagine we taxpayers are keeping you afloat”.

This exposes your total lack of knowledge of how taxation actually works. First of all there are two basic forms of taxation.

Direct taxation – that is tax directly levied upon earnings. profits and wealth. That equates to taxing those best able to pay, but more of that later.

Indirect taxation is tax that is levied upon goods and services and this type of tax is NOT levied upon those best able to pay but actually is designed to shift the main burden of taxation from the richest and levy it more upon the poorest in society.

Now indirect taxation can in fact be a fair tax if it remains within the well known rules of taxation and after the rule of only taxing those who can pay comes the rule of, “Disposable Income”.

This is a term defined as, “income remaining after deduction of taxes and other mandatory charges, available to be spent or saved as one wishes.”

The UK tax system, under a Labour Government, was changed from direct taxation to indirect taxation and the two main rules of fair taxation were not applied. Furthermore, every UK government has then since exasperated
that discrepancy.

Consider this. It cost exactly the same to put a potato on a rich woman’s plate as it does to put a potato on a poor man’s plate. This applies to everything that is essential for all human beings wellbeing. Food, clothes, housing and household essentials.

Thus, there must be at lest enough basic money provided to each person to allow them those basic essentials of life. However, as indirect taxation is levied upon goods and services this means that the rule of, “Disposable Income”, means that VAT on goods and services is the main source of revenue and as the poorest do not have enough for basic essentials but pay tax upon them then the poorest are carrying the main burden of tax while those with the largest disposable incomes pay the least.

Indirect tax includes Road Fuel Duty and we must all pay that. It includes VAT on Services and we all must pay for services and it includes Betting tax, alcohol tax. entertainment tax and a good deal of a weeks shopping is taxed too.

So there you go, Pete, it is the poor, the old, the sick and the disabled in The United Kingdom who are factually keeping you, not just afloat, but in comfort you have NOT earned.

Matter of stone cold fact, Pete, a babe still in nappies is taxed indirectly to keep you and yours. Oh! And the dead person’s insurance for their funeral is taxed so even the dead are keeping you Pete. The lest important tax these days for raiseing revenue is income tax and the other taxes on wealth and profits.

Have you an answer?

I do not expect one, Pete, so I will not be disappointed when you cannot answer the case.

Mr Holland I’m only vaguely aware of and Mr Snow doesn’t have a scooby how the other half live. If all relevant posts above are correct on his background, he never will.

He won’t know poverty, be troubled by government austerity ideology, be touched by the rising xenophobia of Brexit UK, affected by an isolationist UK or indeed give a shit whether we exist or not. He won’t be demonised and singled out for othering by the entirety of the UK’s massed media and he’ll never struggle to have his opinion heard, never mind fairly or accurately represented.

As someone who will never walk a mile in most folks shoes in Scotland, his opinion on our lives and aspirations therefore is worth what?

Some tine ago Peter Sniw was on a programme. It was so memorable. The name can’t be remembered. Twittering about some nonsense. He made a comment about pensions, saying young people don’t bother about pensions. ‘ His son and his girl friend did not bother about pensions’ They did not consider making pension provision. Young people just did not bother about such things.

Not mentioning his son’s girl friend was the daughter of the richest man in Britain. They now have a daughter who would be in line to benefit from tax free inheritance .

The Duke of Westminster suffered from depression.

Dan Snow benefitted from nepotism. His father’s and his uncle’s connection. Dan Snow was canvassing on behalf of the Royals, who are supposed to be impartial at the IndyRef. Breaking constitutional commitment.

Cameron B Brodie @ 8.21
Aye Cameron,thats kind of where I am coming from.
I really don’t want a mini me Westminster when we are Independent.
I want it done differently and better.
I never believed that there isn’t enough for everyone in a country like this.
I think it is just a matter of how we as a society organise.
Ofcourse it could never be perfect but I always think that if you aim for the moon you just might hit one of the star’s.
One of the main issues we need to address is indeed Tax.
That’s the kind of list’s Scotland actually need’s.
Two of them……what will be tax funded and what won’t be tax funded….
Decided by us not politicians,their job should only be to collect and distribute tax.
Not invent it.
Or decide who gets it.
One thing I am sure of there is no possibility that Westminster could ever change,how England deal’s with that is not for me to say,all I do know is that we need to leave and make the changes our people need for ourselves.

Pete,
I think some have been a little harsh, I have been reading your posts again over the last week, and realised it was your point about timescales that had got me thinking. I don’t know if you truly understood what you picked up on, but it passed a lot of guys on here by.

So I have been digging into the question you posed, I was able to answer it somewhat in about 20 min, but the deeper I dug, the further the question opened up, it has taken me down some unusual paths, I can tell you, and has now involved politicians and journalists around the world, and I am a long way from the end. Some of the revelations have been quite astonishing so far, so what I am saying is thanks, it was a good question asked at the right time, when I was able to spend the hours preparing a root cause analysis.

As for what I have found, and what secrets are still to be discovered, that’s for another day.
Just wanted to say thanks, now you won’t find that on a yoon site.

Robert Peffers
Last time I looked there are no indirect taxes (VAT) on basic foodstuffs which should assist the so – called poor to have a proper diet.
VAT is however levied on sweets, rubbish foods , sugary drinks, alcohol and fags which are the types of purchases which should be avoided by those on limited incomes and those who wish to avoid obesity and poor health.
An inconvenient fact !!!

Arise Lord Farage, for services to fascism, at home and abroad. Wonder what silly Lords name Lord Farage will take. Lord Darling of Roulanish is rather trolly but not the worst.

link to independent.co.uk

VAT is however levied on sweets, rubbish foods , sugary drinks, alcohol and fags which are the types of purchases which should be avoided by those on limited incomes and those who wish to avoid obesity and poor health.
An inconvenient fact !!!

Wonder when that one would be farted out torboy style. You forgot, how can they afford televisions and next up, I’d scrub the neighbours floors before I’d scrounge off the dole…

Bring back the poor house, the cane, national service, hanging, god save the queen.

CameronB Brodie,

“Rock
British society is built on a foundation of institutional corruption and structured through habitus and symbolic violence. Most minds have become dulled to this fact.”

Yes. The people are not stupid. They know exactly where they stand. Whenever they get a chance, they take it. Like the folks who voted for independence.

It is totally useless to bang on about the non-existent “sovereignty” of the Scots.

There was nothing we could do about Carmichael.

If Brexit happens, Scotland gets out of the EU, no ifs no buts.

There is zero possibility of Scotland as a colony getting any special treatment in the EU.

– Snow

Lloyd George partitioned Ireland and established the right to the State of Israel. The Balfour agreement. Both caused the bloodshed of millions of innocent people. Catastrophes like no others.
What a legacy.

The worst tragedies in history.

Breeks says: 17 November, 2016 at 7:27 pm:

” … Take a step back and look. There is currently a well funded ongoing campaign in Scotland to move public opinion; to erode support for the EU and muster acceptance if not outright support for Brexit. Please tell me you can see that. It’s not subtle, it’s not sophisticated, but it’s ever present in the media.”

Look Breeks, I do not for a moment think you are deliberately attempting to undermine the SG/SNP or the broader Indy Movement but in your impatience for action you pose a danger we can really do without.

Furthermore, you actually answer your own question but have not recognised that you have done so.

You posted this, “It’s not subtle, it’s not sophisticated, but it’s ever present in the media.”

Now here’s the thing you seem not to have noticed about that statement – not being subtle those who would not normally notice it are now noticing it.

This is probably because, by being in no way politically sophisticated, it becomes much easier for politically non-sophisticated persons to see it for what it really is.

Its ever presence having the usual effects of searing it into the brains of those Picturkist Watchers, Redtop Tabloid Readers and Radio Jockstrap Uncritical listeners of junk radio.

The signs on the streets of Scotland seem to me to indicate the swing towards Scottish independence is still gathering new support. It only needs a little of that swing to be exactly what we want to happen.

Further to that I suggest the recent increase in fairly obvious trolling plants, (no I do not mean Triffids, I mean such as the totally unsophisticated and unsubtle Pete.), are a sign of desperation and despair in the Yoon Loon ranks.

In short it is far too obvious and a dead giveaway of sheer unbridled panic measures among the Westminster Establishment would be special agents.

If we can see it as unsubtle and unsophisticated it has to be at least a bit more apparent to a few more erstwhile fence sitting or even unionist leaning persons in Scotland. Really, Breeks, the general public are not really fools. They are, more likely just not politically aware … YET.

Robert J. Sutherland
I’m certainly no economist Robert but Scotland’s economy currently sits within that of the UK. This suppresses both the scope and pace of development in Scotland, as a result of UKOK macro economics being fitted to English needs (e.g. interest rates). Three centuries of stagnant population testify to such a union not being beneficial to Scotland.

Things won’t be easy or put right over night, but Scotland has ample potential to follow a new path to a better society.

An accountable, transparent government would be novel approach to democracy, though perhaps alien as a concept due to Westminster’s ‘competence’ over the centuries.

CameronB Brodie: @ 21:59:

Scotland’s economy currently sits within that of the UK. This suppresses both the scope and pace of development in Scotland, as a result of UKOK macro economics being fitted to English needs

Indeed. That’s actually what the GERS figures qualitatively signify. (They don’t signify anything quantitatively.)

I think that’s the crucial message to get over to the waverers. We are not uniquely incapable of running our own affairs. On the contrary, we can do it well. (Serious investment in tidal power, for example, could make us a real power broker. Literally.)

Which then begs the question of how, exactly. That’s what we really need to address. And why I’m not quite as sanguine as eg. Robert Peffers, since we can’t just rely on sensible people noticing that the opposition are over-egging their pudding. It helps, without a doubt, but on its own is not enough, I feel.