Searching And Looking
Disgraced ex-policeman and notorious vexatious serial complainant Lynsay Watson is having quite the meltdown on the groomer-and-paedophile haven Bluesky tonight.
Let’s listen in.
The trigger is that Watson has been asked to attend a voluntary police interview in connection with allegations of harassment against him – something that’s happened before, and which he’s managed to evade by simply repeatedly not turning up until the six-month time limit attached to such claims expires. He’s already failed to show up to one such interview relating to this new case.
“JOG”, incidentally, stands for Jacket, Outer Coat and Gloves. Any search involving the arrestee having to remove more than those items of clothing is classed as a higher level and requires that the searching officer must be of the same SEX as the arrestee.
And with towering irony – because he’s outraged at women seeking to uphold their boundaries when it comes to men in their intimate spaces, and calls those women “bigots” and “Nazis” – Watson doesn’t want to be searched by a man.
But of course, since For Women Scotland, a male officer searching a male suspect IS the “appropriate gender” – the Supreme Court recognised that transwomen do not in fact change sex, and “gender” has no meaning here unless being used as a simple synonym for sex. Greater Manchester Police not only will not but cannot give any such assurance, because it would be unlawful to do so – they could not force a female officer to search him without breaching her rights.
There is no such thing as “correct-gender searching”. Only correct SEX.
The logical result if “our volunteer wins” this attempt to override the Supreme Court’s judgment is of course that a suspect could claim to be any of 200 or more different genders, and demand to be searched only by an officer of the same one.
“Sarge! Have we got any Librafluids on duty tonight?”
“No, Dave’s on holiday. Ask if they’ll accept a Libramasculine.”
The entire justice system would collapse overnight.
“Opposite-SEX”? Whoops!
And how exactly would you “respect identity and individualised safeguarding needs” when searching someone claiming to be non-binary? What would that entail? What needs do they have that the rest of us don’t? They’ve got the same body parts as either men or women.
It’s always funny when Watson forgets to pretend that the SEEN POOPN account isn’t him, and says things like “WE have been involved in policing since the 1980’s”. He means him. HE’S been involved in policing since the 1980s, before being sacked for gross misconduct involving the sustained, deranged and obsessive harassment of gender-critical people, which let’s remember is what this case is all about.
We’re still waiting for him to explain who should search an “Enby” (non-binary) person. Does it have to be a non-binary officer, or do they get a special privilege not granted to any other suspect – choosing which sex they’d prefer being searched by? Tell us, Lynsay – we know you’re reading and we’re honestly curious.
We wonder how Watson would have reacted, when he was a policeman pretending to be a policewoman, if ordered to conduct a strip-search on a man. Well, we say that, but we don’t wonder really. We can hazard a very confident guess.
Sir, you’re always furious. Nobody’s surprised. And in fact it’s very clear that it IS the police you’re furious at, because they’re the ones you’ve just complained to the High Court about. (The High Court will be thrilled, we gather they haven’t had an angry letter from him in almost three days.)
Readers, this isn’t even remotely close to the most batshit thing Watson has done this month alone, but we can’t tell you about some of the others at this point. It is, though, a stark reminder of just how crazy gender ideology is, how wildly unreasonable and impractical its demands are, and how jawdroppingly, narcissistically hypocritical it is to its core. Women’s feelings count for nothing, even if they’re rape victims, but the mere theoretical abstract notion of being patted down by someone the same sex as you is a human-rights outrage bordering on genocide.
(Let alone the fact that Watson only harasses people online – so far, at least – and we’re pretty sure there’s no prospect of the police thinking he might have hidden some incriminating tweets up his arse and demanding a look.)
It’s obvious that he’s actually DESPERATE to be searched by a WPC, because it’d be a power trip, validation and a sexual thrill all rolled into one. But the wider reality, of course, is that this is all just a massive performance to pre-emptively justify not turning up for yet another interview, as he continues to be allowed to inexplicably evade the attention of the law even as complaints pile up against him, yet still have his own absurd and malicious complaints taken seriously enough to make other people’s lives a misery.
(Something he openly admits as a goal.)
But by the sounds of tonight’s tirade, it seems like Lynsay Watson might finally be feeling the walls closing in. We hope and trust that Greater Manchester Police remain resilient and do their jobs, not just this time but going forward. It’s long past time that sanity returned to the world of justice.
Very well said, it is about time that the police and the justice system STARTED ENFORCING the LAW instead of facilitating this continued ILLEGAL lunacy, I like many others are OUTRAGED that the perverts and deviants including Swinney in the SG and parliament are ILLEGALLY using our taxpayer money to fight AGAINST the LAW
IF the perverts and deviants want to take the case to court let them fucking fund it, according to the aggressive gender hordes who turn up at WOMEN’S MEETINGS to THREATEN THEM there are enough of them to crowdfund a challenge
BTW Rev when you post items in the middle of the night there are some fuckwits on here who question why you are doing that , they think it is STRANGE
Superb upper CASE caps there, Twat H.
Quite a few of us IN the mess are wondering where we could GET a keyboard like YOURS.
Does IT work like that all THE time, or just in the WEE, small hours?
Upper case IS by definition, capitalisation.
Poor wee Hatey MacFuckwit desperate for attention has moved his/her/it focus from my posting times to my use of CAPITALS , soon he will return to my age again then my toilet habits , it sure sucks to be wee Hatey MacFuckwit , get oot a that mess and see some life , yir fellow troopers are sick o yer whining and greetin
OK, Twat H, that’s it.
Half pints only for you from now on.
Incidentally, NN, upper case is not capitalisation. Once again, Scottish primary school kids of average ability used to know this stuff before they went to secondary.
So WTAF happened to you?
Hatey,
you said :
“Superb upper CASE caps there”.
So, tell us when is an upper case letter NOT a capital letter?
Here You Go, Nn.
HERE YOU GO, NN.
Geddit? If naw, drop into your local primary tomos and ask for help.
Hmm.
Are you saying that capital letters can only be called capital letters if they begin, and end, at the first letter of an otherwise lowercase written word?
You still haven’t got it.
It’s NOT possible for Uppercase and Capitals to mean VARIOUS different things.
An uppercase IS a capital if it fronts a word.
A capital letter can be used at the start of a word, OR, due to common understanding, an entire word can be written in capital letters commonly known as uppercase letters.
It’s disgraceful.
And it’s quite criminal, imnsho, that they use OUR money, YET again, to fight a losing battle.
Obviously a Supreme Court ruling means nothing to these people.
And, what really gets my goat, is that there is not one single governmental body or civic institution that is willing to prevent these arseholes from spaffing yet more millions on this.
Where does that leave the Supreme Court??
Where does it leave the citizens of a country when they witness this contempt towards the justice system/Supreme Court?
I could go on and on.
I already feel like I’m on a loop with this shit.
@ Geri re ALBA I have posted a response to you at the bottom of the “Stars and Stripes post
SEEN POOPN you could not make this stuff up. Or well, you could, and everybody would be accurate in assuming you were lying.
“Officers are not fragile”.
From the man who goes sideways at the drop of a pronoun.
For whatever horrors happened to him in childhood, he really needs decent therapy.
The women in Scotland should use Article XV111 of the treaty of Union. “Private Rights for the evident Utility of the subjects within Scotland.
The Common Law of Scotland, long before the UKSC ruling recognized and recognizes only biological sex, James, but it is being subverted every day to make way for statute law that has so many loopholes that it resembles a sieve.
Couldn’t we have authorised personnel of all genders permanently on standby to attend situations where personal searches are needed? A bit like they already do with interpreters?
Obviously each gender representative couldn’t cover the entire country. We would need to divide the country on a regional basis. Perhaps 6 regions, times 200+ genders, times 2 for day and night coverage.
That’s 2400+ additions to the grifters sucking at the public teat, call it 3000 for holiday/sickness cover.
A decent day’s effort for the oxygen thieves at HR. 3000 more added to the Scottish Blob fighting to keep the ordinary Scots who are funding their lunacy ground down.
Serious question.
Whilst I’m supremely confident no Police Officer would “fall apart” searching a trans person, given what we know of the radical, invasive surgery trans people choose to have, can we be certain the converse holds true?
Now, that was funny, H McH! However, as you probably know, about 98% of them do nothing at all to their appearance, and certainly not to their undercarriage. It is a case of, “I say who I am and that is that”. The police need to co-opt the men in white coats with the keys to the padded cell. He needs help and that is where he will find it until he is well enough to rejoin the outside world: kept away from pornography and women’s clothes. The addiction would abate a great deal, perhaps. Indulging his fantasies is not helping him at all.
More Keystone coppers.
link to archive.is
Remove them from European football. They’re not European.
Problem solved.
“Geri says:
23 November, 2025 at 1:38 pm
Remove them from European football. They’re not European.”
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But most of these fans ARE European or of European heritage. That is the problem.
They are every bit as “European”as the denizens of another western incubus -the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem- established after the first Crusade in the year 1095. Different, but related religion, the Frankish knights and other crusaders were every bit as ruthless as the IDF in slaughtering the indigenous population.
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“Western incubus”
Nae mention of the Religion of Peace though, that now holds sway over North Africa, most of the Middle East, colonies of the RF and the PRC, large parts of the former Imperial India and its dependencies, and out into the Pacific Ocean in Indonesia.
Not to mention swathes of Europe, some of our own towns and cities, and growing outposts in Australasia and North America.
Sure, Cynicus, you focus on tearing your raiment and pouring ashes on your head because our ancestors spread their values about. You won’t like the new values the incomers are bringing with them one little bit.
Aye, Empire.
The sooner everyone just accepts their own wee patch of land & embraces a multipolar world the better for everyone.
Shitface & his fellow colonialist, hypocritical fuds, doesn’t like immigration yet they’ve absolutely no problem with stuffing another country full of it & just mowing down the indigenous population. One that isn’t even democratic while it destroys its secular neighbours. So the hoaxers can’t even claim it’s spreading ‘Western values’ either.
Same with the mince that the UK is a good Christian country when we all know that’s a blatant lie. When Forbes was running for leader she was hounded in the UK media.
“ The sooner everyone just accepts their own wee patch of land & embraces a multipolar world the better for everyone”
Absolutely, but you are a fanatical supporter of all of the countries that are most at fault here, including and especially the one that recently rolled the tanks over the border into a neighbouring country in an act of unprovoked murderous aggression purely to expand its own borders.
Forbes was hounded on here too.
Still is.
?Hatey McHateface says:?26 November, 2025 at 9:16 am
@Cynicus?You were the one posting about the “western incubus” – a specific example that no longer exists.
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If you forget where you’ve come from, you can easily lose your way!
Here is where we came in:
“Remove them from European football. They’re not European.”-Geri
I pointed out that these fans ARE European or of mainly of European heritage . They are part of the current “western incubus” in The Holy Land and it very much DOES exist and continues to expand and colonise to the murderous cost of the indigenous communities.
I am baffled by your reference. Perhaps you are fixated on the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem which is my attempt to take the Long View, to borrow the title from a radio series (which could do worse than commission an episode based on our current discussion).
With the greatest of respect, Cynicus, awa an shite.
We’re not having a discussion, we’re shouting from distant silos.
Nobody claiming to take the Long View as you are could possibly be in denial about the indigenous of the Holy Land.
Yet there you are – you’ll deny the reality of the fingers you hold up in front of your face if you think it will gain you a brownie point.
This reality you seem to be unable to deal with too – the very real and contemporary existence of a different incubus spanning North Africa, most of the Middle East, colonies of the RF and the PRC, large parts of the former Imperial India and its dependencies, and out into the Pacific Ocean in Indonesia.
Not to mention swathes of Europe, some of our own towns and cities, and growing outposts in Australasia and North America.
To the murderous cost of indigenous communities everywhere, including Scotland’s.
Yet where there is one tiny bit of pushback, one location in all of that word-girdling, ever-expanding theocracy that fights back against the squatters on their land, out come the bleeding hearts to side with the colonising jihadis.
The ever-present useful idiots who never can resist flaunting their virtue signalling.
Got your Palesaltire flying yet, Cynicus?
Sorry, TURABDIN.
But you have to learn, sooner or later, just how far the Islamisation of Scotland has progressed.
Admittedly not as far as that of England. Not yet. But we have our own fifth columnists, of which the fragrant Barbs is one of the most screechingly outspoken.
Hatey McHateface says:
“Nae mention of the Religion of Peace though”
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If you want to develop an argument rather than post the same sloganising sneer, time after time, I suggest you read “Jerusalem, the biography” by Simon Sebag Montefiore.
Then come back and tell us what is admirable about people you describe as “our ancestors [who] spread their values about”
If you want an update to the present, Google “Amos Goldberg.” He is Professor of Holocaust Studies at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
If you want to develop a counter argument, Cynicus, it isn’t valid to make a bare, sweeping statement airily suggesting that your opponent is flat wrong – and then rather than providing reason(s) why, merely cite a whole bunch of third party material, e.g. “You’re flat wrong because Vols 1-20 (plus Epologue) of Professor Soandso’s ‘Musings of a Lefty Who Has Never Had a Real Job’ say so – happy reading, see you in 3 months”.
No, I’m afraid the onus is on you to at least provide some kind of precis as to why this might be the case in your own words. Otherwise it just looks like a lazy (invalid) dismissal having little or no merit.
There never was anything glamorous about colonialism, about slavery, about religious oppression, but the thing is that almost everyone indulged in it. These things are just another form of filching assets from people not able to stand up to you. Yes, the West, and the UK, were certainly complicit in some hideous horrors that stain our history, and it is no excuse to say that others did it, too.
However, it is a kind of masochistic, orgiastic self-flagellation to browbeat ourselves about what we cannot change. We, personally, were not responsible and cannot, in natural justice terms, be held to account for what past generations did. It is beyond ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Genghis Khan’s Mongol hordes were responsible for the slaughter of something approaching 12 million people – well before the days of gas chambers. Do we hold modern-day Mongol people to account for their murderous antics? I think not. Yet, here in the UK, hundreds of thousands of people ‘weep and wail and rend their garments’ over a past they cannot alter. It is self-indulgent nonsense and a delusion that will yet lead to outright revolution if we are not careful. Ritual suicide is no answer to past transgressions.
Wow, Lorna, what an absolute zinger of a post. Very well said.
Idiots, take note.
@Lorna Campbell
Good post.
Just one tiny quibble.
You say ritual suicide is no answer, but I’m slowly tending towards the conclusion it could be at least a partial answer.
The trick will be to ensure it’s the bleeding hearts, forever wanging oan and oan aboot what people long deid did to other people long deid, that expiate their guilt by making the ultimate sacrifice.
Then they’ll be out of their misery and we’ll all be grand. A true win-win for everybody!
Captain Caveman says:
24 November, 2025 at 12:15 pm
“If you want to develop a counter argument, Cynicus, it isn’t valid to make a bare, sweeping statement airily suggesting that your opponent is flat wrong…….”
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I made no such statement, but I’m compelled to do so now. Before an argument can be countered, it must first be made. If you can show me an argument to counter rather than a vacuous slogan in the post at 7:48AM then I will try.
The very surnames of the two authorities I quote are not
exactly widespread in your friend’s “ religion of peace “.
Sorry for the delay. As others have complained, some posts are not getting through or ARE getting through and then vanish. Maybe this is third time lucky!
@Cynicus
You were the one posting about the “western incubus” – a specific example that no longer exists.
I responded by citing the very real and contemporary existence of a different incubus spanning North Africa, most of the Middle East, colonies of the RF and the PRC, large parts of the former Imperial India and its dependencies, and out into the Pacific Ocean in Indonesia.
Not to mention swathes of Europe, some of our own towns and cities, and growing outposts in Australasia and North America. For example, the Guardian today discussing the Australian Parliament’s attempts to ban the burkha in order to support modern, western values of inclusion and equity before the law.
Anyone who denies the people of my example didn’t spread and colonise behind their blood-soaked swords, and denies they are still following the same MO today, even as resisting converts are slaughtered in Nigeria for example, isn’t worth debating with.
Private Rights in Scotland are legal in the articles of the treaty of union.
Private right would cover private spaces for women and children.
The private right of parents in Scotland to say NO to indoctrinating ideologies being taught to their children by public authorities,
And private right to the freedom of speech and thought.
The private right of your home to be protected from intrusion.
Just because a law is ignored does not make it legal, just because a piece of legislation is passed by the SNP, the devolved parliament or the Westminster parliament over riding the law of International treaties does not make it a legal move in International law,
Just because Westminster have chosen at a later date to ignore, or delete a article does not make it legal in context without breaching the 1707 treaty of union,
And there is No article in that treaty that States the kingdom and territory of Scotland is to be consumed or deleted by the kingdom of England.
So all the legalese of the treaty of Union articles must be seen to be upheld by the Westminster parliament and not to have colonised the treaty of union to itself and England as a Single Country,
Therefore women and Childrens spaces in Scotland are still “Private Right spaces” to biological women and their children.
As parents in Scotland they have the Private Right not to have their children indoctrinated by public authorities, civil servants, Councils, government bodies, teachers or education establishments or public religions and public charities.
See, The union and the law, by The Law Society of Scotland,
Thanks for taking the time to outline these matters, Mrs Cheyne.
I’m no expert, but I think what you detail here is important for folks to know/and consider.
Private Right spaces and our RIGHT to them!
Did Brindley ever face the music?
No need to use the Treaty, James; the ancient (way before the Treaty) Common Law of Scotland, still extant, recognizes only biological sex in law. No one uses it, though, or reminds the SG that it governs the Scottish polity. With Statute Law, you have to pass the statute, then seal up all the loopholes, which create more loopholes which require more statute law. The beauty of the Common Law is its flexibility to cover any given situation. That is very likely why the powers that be don’t like it. It makes them feel important when they are passing duff legislation that no one wants and is not up to covering any situation.
Hmm, interesting, Lorna.
Be here more often, please 😉
Scotland can challenge this gender issue unlike England, Wales and maybe Ireland.
Private Rights is for the Evident Utility of the subjects within Scotland.
That would include the Private right of private Spaces for biological women and their children.
Oh GLORIUS Sabbath!
A searched and looked fir mony a year afore a foond His Wird.
A’ve plootered drooked throch dubbit watter tae git tae His holy hoose the day, sae help mi.
And as I walked heid doun agin the hivy, blaudin scudder ma thocht sought refuge fae the cauld plashy sleets and beatin’ rain, aye, and ane or twa thunderplumps anaw, inside the caum and pleasyng meenistery o’ ma ain mind.
And shuir eneuch I arrived in timeless timely fashion at the Lord’s hoose ready tae set aboot deleeverin His Word tae ma anticipatet congregatioun.
And the Wird wis wi God, aye, and the Wird wis God.
And God sayd “Thon Scots are ma favoured yins and wha sae be agin thaim be agin mi… and wha kin staun agin mi?”
A’m fair shuir that wis wan o’ thaim rhetorical questions He thraws at us noo and agin sae he didnae see the need tae say “Naebody, that’s wha.”
Oh! The Lord also telt me that the super rich and aw the eejits kickin’ aboot His Earth the noo are “…fucked, by the way, Northcode.” His Words, nae mine.
Dinnae git oan at mi aboot it… a’m juist repeatin’ whit He telt mi.
Hae a joyfu day the lot o’ ye – praise the Lord… and it’s aff tae Hell fir aw the eejits!
“That’ll mend the fuck oot thaim St Andrew pricks,” sayd the Lord tae mi… and then we baith laughed like eejits oorsels!
“Thunderplumps” sound like the sort of thing that occurs the very next morning after a “vinders” at the curry house, not to mention a few too many Cobras. I speak from first hand experience.
You beat me too it, CC.
Thunderplumps. 😉
A word to behold and cherish.
I do love your streams of consciousness, Northcode.
Those of (the commentator)confused, too.
Flights of fancy, humour (good and gallows), woven in a rich tapestry of vivid imagery.
‘plootered’
Such a braw Scottish word..lol
Aye, & He sayeth, git behind me oh evil wans for yir teas oot & taketh aw yer wee Loretta’s wi yea tae. Ma ears are bleedin listening tae yeas bleatin oan & oan aboot wrang bodies. I’m nae that hard up tae fill pews Tae eejits who think ah maketh mistakes, ken.
As for those Zs. I done telt them & telt them again. They’ll no be getting any land or a temple either. The big yin, ma faither, still husnae recovered fae destroying the last yin He gave them. They were tae dispel & scatter oot His sight. I didnae give them a time either… I’ll come when um ready & no before it!
So sayeth the Lord. The real wan. No a dupe for the shite they’re peddling…Amen.
Aye, Geri. There are literally thoosands o’ braw words peculiar tae the Scots that ye’ll ne’er see in thon English tongue… or ony ither tongue, anaw.
Thaim folk wha say Scots isnae a language tae itsel are brain-deid simpletons whaur iver thair frae – they’ve probably no a word o’ the Latin tae thersels aither.
I love plootering, the word and the activity.
Wow, Northy, so the Scots language has thousands of words in it that no other language has.
Are we supposed to believe that no other language has thousands of words in it that none of the rest of the languages have?
Don’t bother. Obviously the answer is yes.
Loving it, Barbs.
Is this a sign we are approaching the End Times, you claiming to be speaking on behalf of God Almighty? Barbs the Baptist does have a certain alliterative allure to it.
Or does a more prosaic explanation suffice. Nearly time for another one of your “wee breaks”?
Look on the bright side. You’re really getting your money’s worth from the SNHS!
Origins of “BRAW”.
DSL traces the term back to the Early Middle English “brave”:
link to dsl.ac.uk
But Gaelic is surely the most obvious source and influence.
Compare Irish BREÁ for meaning and examples of usage:
link to teanglann.ie
The audios of Irish pronunciation here are remarkable:
link to teanglann.ie
BRÈAGH and BRÈAGHA are the Scottish spellings. I suspect Lowland Gaelic would have sounded pretty much like the Irish. Anyone from Argyll reading this?
Naw, ‘braw’ soonds mair akin tae the Norwegian ‘bra’, Fearghas. As in sae mony ither Scots wirds an aw – hoose, heid, kirk, gang uit etc etc
link to learningnorsk.com
“BRÈAGH and BRÈAGHA are the Scottish spellings”
Awa and dinnae talk a lot o’ pish!
And fir the luve o’ Christ… once agin, and a cannae mak it ony clearer – naebody, absolutely naebody on oor planet bar ye and a haunfu o’ yer pals gies a runny shite aboot thon Gaelic and yit ye keep banging oan aboot it.
Granted, the Gaelic does hae a wee bit o’ “the swirl” aboot it – a muckle mair than yon Inglis – but no near enough tae compete wi braw Scots.
Braw… a Scots wird derived frae the braw Scots leid menyng “brighter than the maist brilliant o’ stars” and is spelt “BRAW” in Scots.
Alf writes: ‘braw’ soonds mair akin tae the Norwegian ‘bra’
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Yes Alf, thanks. Touché. The Norwegian link you give is certainly persuasive. Maybe conclusive. I had in fact in the past come across the suggestion of a Norse link. But for some reason it is not given in the DSL etymology. Nor is it in this following online etymological dictionary entry for “braw”:
link to etymonline.com
Nonetheless, I agree your webpage link is compelling.
Then again, the Gaelic term is patently cognate somehow. We can factor in that in the 1500s about half the Scottish population was Gaelic-speaking. At some stage the Norse occupied the North and Western Seaboard of Scotland, the Isle of Man, Dublin and other settlements in Ireland. Many seafaring terms in Scottish and Irish are Norse. So could the term Norse term “bra” have come into Gaelic that way? Regarding Norse pronunciation effects on Gaelic, the late Professor Derick Thomson wrote:
“In phonology Scottish Gaelic differs from Irish and Manx in having been influenced considerably by the Norse sound system. There is not complete agreement between scholars on this point, but it is my opinion that the Scottish Gaelic pre-aspiration (indicated here by ‘[…]’) of the consonants ‘p’, ‘t’, and ‘c’ is a Norse feature. Pre-aspiration — the breath which precedes these consonants after vowels, as in ‘Lea[…]pa’ (of a bed), ‘ba[…]ta’ (a stick), ‘ma[…]c’ (son) — is also found in Icelandic, in certain dialects of Norwegian, and to a certain extent in Faroese, although it is nowhere rendered in orthography. Among the Scottish Gaelic dialects, those of Lewis have the most ‘Scandinavian-like’ system.”
Contrariwise, there seem to be a number of Gaelic terms borrowed into Icelandic. So could the our word have even gone the other direction? A few years ago a book by Thorvaldur Fridriksson, an Icelandic archaeologist and journalist, argued that Gaelic-speaking Celtic settlers from Ireland and western Scotland had a profound impact on the Icelandic language, landscape and early literature:
« IS ICELAND’S LANGUAGE A NORSE CODE – OR A LEGACY OF CELTIC SETTLERS?
“Gaelic origins of Icelandic words and landmarks challenge orthodox view of Viking heritage, says author. […] an emerging theory that Scottish and Irish Celts played a far bigger role in Iceland’s history than realised. »
Without a thoroughly authoritative etymological dictionary for guidance, we have a conundrum. But your own link remains valid.
Alf, frustratingly, as is almost always the case now, an extended respectful reply from me has just disappeared into moderation. It is very demotivating. The gist of it was that your web link is clearly valid. Granted. Yet there remains the related term in Gaelic. So the (rhetorical) question is which direction did the borrowing go? We need a definitive etymological dictionary.
My tongue-in-cheek definition for the Scots word “Braw” is, of course, not the actual meaning attached to the word… BUT IT SHOULD BE!!
Anyway, here’s a link to the word’s definition in the DSL.
The meaning of the Scots word, Braw
Northcode says:?23 November, 2025 at 11:05 pm
?“BRÈAGH and BRÈAGHA are the Scottish spellings”?
Awa and dinnae talk a lot o’ pish??Granted, the Gaelic does hae a wee bit o’ “the swirl” aboot it ….. but no near enough tae compete wi braw Scots.
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How on earth do YOU know that?
“How on earth do YOU know that?
How on Earth does ME know that?
Well… I’l tell you.
Enlightenment comes to us in many forms – in my case it arrived wan day whin a wis ten years auld and up a lum… a soot-scaled chimley… a creosote-coated flue and in the shape of ingle-sprites; not the the porpoise, Phocaena phocaena or they folk cawd the Inglis, but thon wee fire spirits that flit aboot household hearths.
It was they wha telt me of “The Swirl” and how that golden tongue that is the Scots leid haed it aplenty and the Gaelic almaist nane at aw.
Aye, “The Swirl” – that magical vocal rhythm that soonds mair like a magical song than a spoken language.
Strangely, I felt no heat come aff the ingle-flame and whin a climbed oot thon chimney the hearth fire aneath it, that source o’ the sprites, had vanished.
I hope that answers yer wee question.
Northcode says:
26 November, 2025 at 8:03 am
“How on earth do YOU know that?
How on Earth does ME know that?
Well… I’l tell you.
Enlightenment comes to us in many forms – in my case it arrived wan day whin a wis ten years auld and up a lum… a soot-scaled chimley…….
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Now, imagine, if you can, the man you reviled made a comment on “the Scots leid” and you asked the same question of him I put to you “How on earth do YOU know that?”
Fearghas, I am sure, would have given you an erudite and courteous response. You might have learned he knows a great deal more about, “the Scots leid” than you or most of its fanbase on this site.
Not that he would self-advertise. If you doubt this have a read back through his comments on this thread on Inglis/Scotis poets as diverse as Dunbar and MacDiarmid.
He would certainly not have ducked your hard question and sprayed the response box with bovine excrement like the gunge I quote above.
“… with bovine excrement…”
Awa and dinnae talk bullshit.
“Now, imagine, if you can, the man you reviled made a comment on “the Scots leid” and you asked the same question of him I put to you ‘How on earth do YOU know that?'”
Reviled? I don’t recall ever being angrily abusive and insulting on here… gently taking the piss oot some folk on occasion, perhaps, but never reviling anyone in earnest.
Yer wicked hyperbole agin me immediately marks you oot as wee bit o’ a slippery fish.
Also, the question you asked made no sense to me, my first thought on reading it was “How on earth do ! know WHAT?”.
By the way, the subtext woven through your question – whether you were consciously aware of it or not when writing it – is: ‘How on Earth could a low-life ignoramus like YOU (as in masel) know that?’
“Fearghas, I am sure, would have given you an erudite and courteous response…
Mebbes aye and mebbes naw or mebbes just… ach, nevermind, Fearghas is maistly awricht.
You, however, hae the scent o’ a body wha’s a wee bit ‘up-thair-ain-self’.
But much, much worse than that… you write like a bore – “bovine excrement” fir fuck sake… what a lot of shite.
“… I don’t recall ever being angrily abusive and insulting on here”
HA! Please tell me you’re joking.
Zero self awareness.
“HA! Please tell me you’re joking.”
A’m no fuckin’ jokin’ ya yoon cunt ye.
I’m pretty sure you know I was joking with my last, very, very, very rude comment, Captain, but just in case you think I was being serious… I wasn’t – if you did, though, I apologise if ma rude wit offendit ye
I wouldn’t want to think of you sobbing like a wee bairn at being called nasty names on here.
Ah Northie, your third rate trolling really could do with improvement, I’ve known spotty “txt speak” oiks who’d run rings around the likes of you, you silly old sod.
No, I’m not crying into my coffee. I find it mildly amusing to highlight – again – how ineffective you are & how bored you must surely be. Maybe take up gardening and get some fresh air, if the old knees are up to it.
“Ah Northie, your third rate trolling really could do with improvement…
Aye, Captain, a cannae deny a’m terrible at the trollin’ – not like you and your fellow unionists on here. You guys are expert trolls in this place… there’s no denying that.
Like I said, you’re terrible at it, as you once again prove.
Protip: Debating in earnest isn’t trolling, neither is handing your opponent their own arse in said debate, repeatedly (especially if they’re a troll). If you dislike the latter sensation, maybe stop banging your head against the proverbial brick wall (badly) and consider a more enjoyable and productive pastime.
(Whilst here, as for “having skin in the game”, or not as according to our more intoxicated fellow contributors, I might mention that as a citizen and taxpayer of the United Kingdom, I very much do have a vested interest in keeping said Union together in a basic, material sense, having paid vastly more into the communal pot than most, as well having a more ephemeral, emotional attachment to Scotland).
“Protip: Debating in earnest isn’t trolling…
But you and your fellow unionists (colonialists if preferred… same thing) have never debated anything in this place… and you evidently, as colonising Inglish, feel entitled to come on here and insult every independence supporting Scot you come across whilst claiming you are ‘debating’.
There’s a common thread runs through the comments of colonialists – it’s one of anti-Scots aggressive and abusive rhetoric; it’s really all they have to offer in lieu of a genuine and intelligent argument in favour of the union.
To argue for the union is to argue in favour of the continued subjugation and brutal oppression of a people… greed and self-interest at the expense of the Scots is the true nature of those colonialists who support the ‘union’.
My few interactions with unionists in this place here has convinced me of the pointlessness in attempting to engage in ‘conversation’ with them – they are only here to denigrate the Scots and nothing more.
There is no debate to be had with a colonialist – none at all.
I see now it was a mistake on my part to engage with unionists who care nothing for Scotland or the Scots bar what they can extract from them in material gain and profit.
The colonialists hate Scotland and the Scots – every word set down here by them oozes it.
It seems fitting at this point to once again issue a warning for those Scots who visit here and who might not realise what psychological harm their mental faculties could suffer if they treat the comments posted in this place by unionists as anything other than the confused spluttering utterances of the last few misfiring synapses in a dying empire’s rapidly fading consciousness.
Ther scarce be a wird pit doun here fae colonialists (unyonists if preferryd… baith be alike) that’s onythin’ ither than abuise, threit, lie, errure, afftak, diveesion, diversioun, distractioun, logicale fallace, or hatesome antiScot rethorik.
And again… in English for the sake of cultural inclusion:
There’s barely a comment posted here by colonialists (unionists if preferred… same thing) that is anything other than insult, threat, lies, error, mockery, division, diversion, distraction, logical fallacy, or hateful anti-Scots rhetoric.
The colonists who roam here have nothing to offer Scots but abuse… it is the ONLY reason they wander this place.
‘… But you and your fellow unionists (colonialists if preferred… same thing) have never debated anything in this place… and you evidently, as colonising Inglish …’
So ok, you’re complaining about my supposed standard of debate (as from “Inglis”, itself yet more unabashed, ineffectual trolling) whilst literally cunt-calling me in this very thread. Do you realise how utterly stupid that makes you look? (Doubt it; zero self awareness in your case).
FWIW I’m more than happy to debate my detractors. I don’t like being in echo chambers and have been a serial internet dissident for decades, as Stu would testify. Sure, I’ll fight fire with fire, especially with abusive idiots, but I’m not here (or anywhere else) to deliberately piss (normal, well meaning) people off.
Puir Auld Northy.
The only reason he sees aggressive and abusive anti-Scots rhetoric is because, cursed with his planet-sized ego, he has convinced himself he speaks for all Scots.
Of course he doesn’t. He speaks only for his own addled, self-pitying self.
It’s not racism, it’s not colonialism, it’s not institutionalised oppression, Northy, it’s just personal animus.
The good news is the fix is in your own hands – stop writing shite and stop making Scots look like cringing, whinging, Brigadoon simpletons, whilst simultaneously self-identifying as some kind of superior intellectual.
Stop wanging oan and oan aboot a language no ordinary Scot gives a tuppenny damn aboot.
Stop lying.
Is the Sabbat not Friday evening to Saturday evening ? Or have I been hanging out with the wrong members of the chosen race accordingto the flesh ?
Like everything else these days, they’ve meshed with Christian fundamentalists who are also Z. It’s a long weekend now.
Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh says:
23 November, 2025 at 9:50 pm
Origins of “BRAW”.
DSL traces the term back to the Early Middle English “brave”:
link to dsl.ac.uk
But Gaelic is surely the most obvious source and influence.
Compare Irish BREÁ for meaning and examples of usage:…..,,
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The links you give are both fascinating and puzzling, Fhearghais
The pronunciation of BRÉA in the Connacht and Munster dialects is closer to the Scots BRAW than it is in Ulster Gaeilge. Is this not counter-intuitive?
I think the solution to this puzzle might lie in the , alas now extinct, East Ulster dialect. Its last native speaker, Bella McKenna died in the 1980s, (outliving the last Manx speaker, Ned Mandrell who died in 1974)
East Ulster Gaeilge was said to be very close to the Gàidhlig of Islay. Your inquiry about Argyll may be highly pertinent. Apparently there still exist voice recordings in East Ulster dialect.
I am on the case!
SCANDINAVIAN? bra: meaning good, fine, great etc is in frequent use in Danish, Swedish & Norwegian
Braw: in texts in Scotland ref. DSL appears around 1600, an import maybe.
May well be linked to the notion of «brave», think Italian bravo/brava = great, well done, excellent.
Taing mhòr, a Chineacais, airson misneachd a thoirt dhomh san àite riasgail seo.
Where are his carers?
He’s needing sectioned.
All this because he wants some poor WPC to feel his nuts.
And his threats are getting wilder.
100% in agreement, Lewis.
All this fantasy gender speak does my head in. It’s making an absolute arse of the law cause each week they’d just invent a new one.
Why are the powers that be still tolerating this bullshit?
Forget the Police frisking. Sectioned seems more appropriate.
They’re doing an awful lot more than merely tolerating it, they are financing and, therefore, promoting it.
If the trannies were sectioned, wouldn’t they be right in your face the next time you have to take one of your “wee breaks”?
Haha, what a wonderful vision that idea conjures up 🙂
Considering the crime Manchester Police have to deal with on a daily basis and the recent terrorist attacks on innocent people celebrating life. This fruit cake should be sectioned.
Possibly under a new government these people could be taken out of society altogether.
Couldn’t agree more, Mark.
Orban (yeah, yeah, I know, I’ve got a bit of adulation going on) does not tolerate this shit in his country.
I’m gonna sneak a wee article in, Stu will NEVER notice lol 😉
Leah Gunn Barrett nails it yet again:
link to dearscotland.substack.com
Orban’s ‘tweet’ on X interests me greatly.
Why can’t we have leaders like this?
Correct me if I’m wrong but a few years ago the media were reporting on the corruption. The BBC reporters were slapped about and had all their equipment taken by guess who?
The Revs to busy booking flights to the second greatest nation on earth.
Mark, you’ll need to give me precise details or I simply canny comment.
The corruption where?
I canny comment on who stole the reporters equipment unless I know where the corrupton was alleged.
and the SECOND greatest nation on earth?
Well, that grading would be dependent on individual opinions on what THE greatest nation on earth is . . . and I’m not sure there is a rational nor entirely objective analysis of this 🙂
Sorry, Mark I’m jumping tween laptop and cooker the noo, and am therefore being a bit disjointed/daft.
Corruption in R or U, or both?
That answer, potentially, determines who took the equipment.
The REV going on holiday?
Previous comments about first and second greatest nations on Earth still stand 😉
Great link, NN.
I know this is my bad after all this time, but I’m still surprised every time I rediscover just how viscerally certain strands within Scottish Indy loathe and hate other countries fighting desperately for their own independence.
I’m astonished every time I am reminded just how favourably those same Scottish Indy strands look on aggressive, murderous invasion and colonialism.
It’s incomprehensible to me, but you boys really are counting down the days until a free, independent, unique culture and language is exterminated and the people of that nation go into the gulag, exile, or the mass graves.
Anyway, like many other Scots, I need to be reminded from time to time. Thanks for the refresher.
And, genuinely, keep them coming. Lest I, and others, forget what you people really are all about.
The National pleading with guest writers to subscribe for £20 for a years membership. This paper has done nothing since its birth to further the cause of Independence if anything its put spanners in the works with its hatred of other Indy parties and its devotion of the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon specifically.
This is the same paper who printed an article from the A-Z woman the day after Salmond was acquitted, please tell me what the hell that had to do with Independence.
If the National folded, for me it would be good news both for the Yes movement and Scotland simply because it was nothing more than a unionist rag pretender to be something its not.
I’d rather donate to UNICEF than sit and read the national and the so called softest of Indy supporters who write for it.
Agreed, 100% Yes.
I’d go further in my condemnation, though.
Any outlet that pretends to be FOR something whilst sabotaging that very aim, is far from neutral. It’s the embodiment of insidious treachery.
Nae Need, Well said.
“Women’s feelings count for nothing, even if they’re rape victims”
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And
“The Mum of a teenage rape victim who took her own life after she was forced to hold up her underwear in court”
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When is that ever right.
No brainer, it’s NEVER right.
It’s shockingly bad, what is going on in Scotland.
The following is related, another indictment of the so called justice system:
I’ve been following the Luke Mitchell case for a few years now and I think it’s important for people to know about this absolute travesty of injustice here in Scotland.
Here’s a link to the Legal Case page:
link to crowdjustice.com
I donated, not cause I’m some kinda polyanna, goodie two shoes, but primarily for 3 reasons:
1. An innocent man rots in jail, his life stolen from him, his family in tatters
2. A guilty person, or persons, have walked free, enjoying liberty and the joys of a free life
3. Scotland must DO better than this. Who wants to live in a country where the innocent are jailed and the guilty protected?
@Nae Need
I don’t have to give you anything. Precise or otherwise. You search for the news feed yourself. I challenge you to disprove it.
Ooh, a challenge.
Such a strongly worded stance.
Swoon.
I can almost see the muscles bristling with T.
Joking asides, Mark, I shall endeavour to do my own research.
Thanks for giving my lazy arse a good kick.
I Remember the news was all about the corrupt regime and the attack on journalists. Then all changed to the good guys. Did you see the way Starmer hugged the clown from the east. Gay alert !!! Well, being a lazy bastard myself that’s a good idea.
After the collapse of the Soviet red terror a treaty was signed and the West broke that agreement. Don’t ask me to source it but it’s there somewhere. That’s why it’s this situation today.
Thanks for showing commitment and integrity, Mark.
You came back here.
With additional stuff.
I’ll have a wee look into the things you might be referring to – the West is VERY good at breaking things.
“Obviously the answer is yes.”
Wrong – as is often the case in this place where colonists and the truth are forever at odds one to the other.
No… the answer is a huge and capitalized (capitalised as used here is spelt in the more advanced American-English) Scottish NAW.
It is a well-known observation and acknowledged fact among the world’s greatest linguists that the Scots language is by a long way the richest language on God’s Earth and far outstrips humanity’s lesser lingos in word count, depth, meaning, extension and expression.
English is dwarfed alongside the Scots leid – that’s why most Scots speak and write in English with far greater proficiency than those who are born to it as their first language.
The Scots – being the most advanced culture of all humanity’s various cultures ever to have existed… ever; albeit their super-sharp wit has been temporarily dulled through massive overly intimate exposure to Anglo-think – process complex ink-scratch symbolisms and super-swirly-speech patterns naturally in all of the six dimensions the perception of which is absolutely necessary to understand and communicate effectively using the Scots leid.
And that racist rant was brought to you by STV productions.
Naw, Mark, Aldi genuine 3 YO multiple malt, matured in singed pallet wood for that authentic, inchoate effect.
It’s an interesting manifestation of the Scotch Cringe though, an in group “jokingly” posting back and forth about their special, innate superiority.
Challenge them about it and the response one always gets in these situations will be produced – we’re not being serious, we’re only having a laugh – we’d never ever put our ideas about untermensch into practice.
We are, we are JUST super swirly amazing aren’t we.
In all 6 dimensions of patterned perception.
I have studied the ink-scratch symbols for years, decades even, and they all point to the same thing:
FKN, YASSSS YE BASS!
😉
All these years face doon in yer ain cauld puke, and that’s what you were really about!
Well, well, wha’d a thunk it, eh?
Northy, you DO make me laugh.
I shudder too though, the anglo-think!
Lorna.
The purpose of using the treaty to our best advantage in detail is to make it become unpaletable to retain or maintain,
If we use it to our advantage.
Want to vote, wheres all the retained Burghs promised in treaty of union? as Alex Salmond made a point of.
Want separate finances, wheres the Scottish Mint?
Want safe Private right spaces for Scottish people? private Right for the people of Scotland.
Its not a case of use it or loose it, its more a situation that you use it to our best advantage so they wish they had not put it in writing, in a so called International treaty, while putting a spoke in the SNP wheel, and devolved governance when it comes to gender issues, hate crime bill, and Scots private life, old voting Burghs etc.
North code.
Still able to make me laugh in a good way, a bit of bolstering and confidence does no harm.
“Still able to make me laugh…
Good to know, James… and keep up the grand work you do in this place.
It is time Scotland stopped being on the back foot always in the defence position and used “Scots laws” that Westminster not only agreed too, but were already in use in Scotland as common law. It is the combination of Scots laws, not the either or that provides the advantage for Scots at the moment,
Both situations are still the constitutional laws of Scotland.
But we use neither right now and let others run roughshod over us. Including the SNP and pretendy parliament.
The treaty of union has been colonised and used by one side only for control to colonise Scotland, about time that situation at least was equalised using Scots law,
Juries without trials, “not in Scotland” because it was part of the reason that Scotland agreed to a union, (corrupt trials) be corrected.
Blashphamy laws or sharia laws in Scotland, Not if the treaty of union is to be upheld by the devolved parliament and Westminster parliament due to it stating specifically witch laws and churches were only recognised in Scotland.
When Scots law is understood as wrote down wether prior to the treaty or after wards, both can be used and become a thorn in the side of those that hang onto the union.
These are all Human rights, and in this Case wrote down.
If you want Scotland’s religion restored and Sharia pushed back, better start planning to vote Reform, James.
Now, won’t that be a supreme irony!
Still, it’s 3 decades of blind, tribal voting that have brought us to this sorry state. Time to start making amends, eh, James?
Why? What’s Reform going to do other than make all the white supremacists slither out from under their rocks?
Everyone & their dug knows who is whipping up & funding Islamaphobia across the US & UK.
I might’ve known you’d be first in the queue cheering it on.
People have the freedom of thought, belief and religion. So be off with yer Alf Garnett nonsense. This is an obvious trick to start removing ppls human rights next with their own updated fascist version. US & UK are just itching to do it & the genocidal one is providing the funds & the eejits.
A large chunk of Reforms donations are from overseas along with a large chunk from ex TORIES. So it’s the exact same shite, just packaged differently.
Well, I can’t imagine a better advert for voting Reform than “Geri” being against them. 🙂
Fit’s that you say, Sooty?
“Fa’s Geri’s enthusiasm for gassing them who disagree with her the day?”
Now, now, Sooty, you have to believe that Geri is going to square the circle – respecting people’s human rights, even as she uses her cattle prod to cram more into the Zyklon B showers.
And ye ken fit, Sooty, I truly believe that in her own heid she sees no contradictions.
Ah weel. Maybes the treatment at her next “wee break” will work.
Nae Need,
It is important, it enables many of the rights of the Scots people to be lawful and legal.
And equally a thorn in the side to those hanging on to a union with Scotland, about time we played their own words back at them,
Nite nite for now Nae Need.
It’s absolutely shocking that this man is allowed to continue to waste a disproportionate amount of police and judicial time with this absolute nonsense. A functioning justice system not captured by interest groups would have seen Alex Horwood arrested and served with a criminal behaviour order a long time ago. Unfortunately I do think the answer might have to be litigation against GMP etc. for choosing without any good reason not to restrain the out of control behaviour of this individual.
It’s a braw sicht seein Scots folk, and ither folk anaw, uisin and scribblin’ doun the leid o’ the Scots oftner oan here.
Aye, and talkin aboot whaur some braw Scots wirds come fae tae.
It be a grand sicht fir shuir… seein the Scots langage git its vogie oan agin.
Northcode writes @23 Nov 11.05 pm: « Braw… a Scots wird derived frae the braw Scots leid menyng “brighter than the maist brilliant o’ stars”. »
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You bring to mind two poems which are braw indeed / brèagh fhèin. Both concern light and maternity.
This sublime latinate poem by Wm Dunbar:
ANE BALLAT OF OUR LADY (excerpts)
by William Dunbar (c1460- c1530)
Haile, sterne superne, haile, in eterne,
In Godis sicht to schyne;
Lucerne in derne for to discerne
Be glory and grace devyne.
Hodiern, modern, sempitern,
Angelicall regyne,
Our tern inferne for to dispern,
Helpe, rialest rosyne.
Haile, fresche floure femynyne!
Haile, bricht be sicht in hevyn on hicht!
Haile, day sterne orientale!
Our licht most richt, in clud of nycht,
Our dirknes for to scale … etc
And this elementally heart-rending and unforgettable poem from the great Hugh MacDiarmid:
EMPTY VESSEL
I met ayont the cairney
A lass wi tousie hair
Singin till a bairnie
That was nae langer there.
Wunds wi warlds to swing
Dinna sing sae sweet,
The licht that bends owre aa things
Is less ta’en up wi’it.
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A fine translation of the latter by Ruaraidh MacThòmais (Derick Thomson):
SOITHEACH FALAMH
Taobh thall a’ chàirn a chunnaic mi
‘n tè òg ‘s a falt ma sgaoil,
’s i seinn mas fhìor ri leanabh
air nach robh sgeul an taobh-s’.
Chan eil seinn nan gaoithtean
a’ gluasad shaoghal cho binn,
chan eil an solas sìorraidh
cho dìorrasach ra linn.
(Bàrdachd na Roinn-Eòrpa an Gàidhlig / European Poetry in Gaelic, Gairm , 1990)
Twa braw poems indeed, Fearghas .
And a braw translation tae the Gaelic, tae.
Its a shame that many a generation in Scotland will never have learnt Scots as a language or Gaelic as it was literally beaten out of us in the class room with canes and leather straps and made to stand all morning in front of class in our educational years,
I can read most of it, not all of it, but cannot speak the Scots language anymore.
The colonisation of native tongues to English happened all around the world pretty much and that is one of the first obvious signs of a country that that has been colonised. When language and culture have undergone the process of severe punishment if usage is continued.
Percentage of English speakers in the world a bit below 20%.
Narrow it down to Europe and surprise, surprise – Orcish occupies the top spot.
Colonialism, eh? Only ever simple when Professor Baird draws one of his two-dimensional cartoons.
I have a solution. A male PC simply needs to self ID as a transwoman for a few hours. No medical or other proof req’d. Could put on some lippy if he/she wants to make an effort. No need to shave the beard though.
London Scot @ 15.42.
Now, that’s Blue Sky thinking LS, and I’m just loving it !
Talk about hoisting them with their own petard. Mr Watson’s “skillset” obviously did not anticipate such devious ingenuity.
@ Stuart McKay of Voices for indy , Stuart would it be possible to include Dear Scotland in your daily notifications
twathater, the articles are in the daily digest, though I don’t see the one published on 23rd Nov, all the the others are there as far as I can tell.
In case you missed any you can find them all here, link to voices.scot
Hi Stuart thanks for the response I am subscribed to Voices.Scot and also subscribed to Dear Scotland
Right! Hands up all those Iranian trolls pretending to be Scottish Nationalists.
Mak damn siccar it’s the haund ye eat wi an a’.
Nae the haund ye wipe yer bahookie wi!
Show us genuine Sovereign Scots some respect.
The issue of Scots or Gaelic language being suppressed was still occurring as late as the 1970s in small pockets of Scottish peoples Education in Scotland,
It is not some distant memory of centuries past, nor is it a joking matter to dismiss experience of those childhood abuse beatings with leather straps and canes to prevent us learning the native language of the country we live in,
When people laugh at Alf Baird for relating colonisation conditions in and of Scotlands people regards these “child beatings” to prevent us speaking Scottish I and many others that came through the same schooling recognise ( the ) personal ignorance of those people in these matters.
And can confirm rather than deflate the difference between the mind of Coloniser and the suppressed colonised in Scotland.
Simply due to the fact there are still adults alive today in Scotland that underwent the punishment and treatment of of Colonisation.
Rater than stamping out the Scottishness in Scotland from early childhood it inflates and reminds one and all of the ever present conditions of being colonised in present day history as living memory.
“SCOTTICISM” — DELETE!
No public humiliation in my case, but the principle was certainly applied. Fifth year English class essay. Can’t remember now what exactly my lexical faux pas was. Nor whether the word was just underlined or actually scored out. But when I got the essay back after the teacher marked it, there in the margin in red ink was written the explanation for rejection: “scotticism”. I stared at it. That single imperious (for a moment incomprehensible) bullet of absolutist anglophone censure lodged like a seed crystal of enlightenment within my young consciousness. On my own at home I pushed on with my reading of MacDiarmid’s ‘A Drunk Man Looks at the Thistle’, Orwell’s ‘1984’, and MacLaren’s ‘Gaelic Self-taught…
This is something I don’t understand, Fearghas.
I well recall my Higher English studies, in which “Sunset Song” featured large. Arguably one of the best dozen serious works of literature to have come out of Scotland in the past century or so.
The characters, the idioms, the world-changing history refracted through the lens of a tiny community in The Mearns has stayed with me to this day.
No Scottish pupil could ever write sensibly and knowledgeably about “Sunset Song”, and the other two works in the trilogy, unless their text was hoaching with Scotticisms.
So I have to wonder. Just how many of the educational experiences some of you refer to arose from the policies of specific schools, or even specific teachers?
And are SFA to do with imaginary, organised, colonialism.
The development of dialects and languages is fascinating, as is the relationship between them. Personally, I regard what we call Standard English to be a dialect, one of several used in what is now called England during the Heptarchy and after, but one that has achieved the status of becoming the ‘standard’ dialect within the UK through its association with the governmental power base in the SE of England.
I regard Lowland Scots as another dialect from the same linguistic roots, as is the Doric. Glasgow and Dundee have dialects of their own.I do mot think there is any dialect in Scotland that has achieved the status of being the ‘standard’ form.
As to the oppression of Scots and Gaelic, which was very real, I have had two detailed posts disappear. This time I will simply refer readers to the Establishment of Schools Act of 1616. Please try to read the original document and note the purpose of the Act and the language used. Please note also further Education Acts passed by the Scottish Parliament through the 1600s.
Not related, but kinda, and not naming names for privacy, some 30+ years ago, I had occassion to work on an island in the Inner Hebrides, and one of the islanders needed a friend on hand as translator, because the lady was a Gael, and spoke no English. Not a word.
Prior to that, I’d thought myself reasonably enlightened about my own country, yet I was completely blown away that it was possible to grow up and live your whole life in Scotland without the capacity to speak English. I mean…. wow!
A few decades later, I wouldn’t like to guess whether such a phenomenon might yet exist and is still to be found in Scotland. I rather suspect I was witness to the ending of an era which no longer exists.
I have never understood those Scots who harbour contempt for Scots Gaelic. Where does that animosity come from? I’m not talking Anglicisation, I mean blue on blue attacks. Scot on Scot.
I used to marvel at the likes of Tony Robinson and Time Team reconstructing a society from the past, in intricate minute detail based upon two or three fragments of a smashed pot, yet at the same time, we Scots have a living language and culture which has been an integral part of our society for centuries, and we passively witness the decline of that culture. We do precious little while the living Gaelic culture and communities face possible extinction.
We’ll keep the trinkets mind… tartan, kilts, broadswords and Sgian dubhs, whisky, and saying “och”. In case you didn’t realise, the word whisky comes from the uisge or uisge beatha. It’s not just “‘S math sin” which made the leap into everyday parlance.
Back then, Scots Gaelic didn’t have the status of a language. If for some reason that Gaelic lady had found herself involved in Court proceedings for example, (yes, even Scots Law), she would not have been able to defend herself or take part in proceedings in her own mother tongue language. If memory derves, the onus for translation into Gaelic would have been upon herself, not the State.
If you ever have the chance to watch the movie, Black ’47, that excerpt where the Irish fella suffers injustice from a judge in a foreign language Law Court, you can imagine why it held such profound significance. Nevermind 1847, the same potential scenario still remained alive and well in Scotland as late as the mid 1990’s.
I believe it’s different now, but only since 2005, when Gaelic was officially recognised. I dunno about you, but the more I think about it, the more mental it gets.
All these rural area’s that are now holiday homes or little parts of England are a cultural change from which there’s no reversal. I’m not advocating turning back the clock or having “alternative” Highland clearances to expel them, because it wouldn’t work if you did. Suppose you filled every croft or cottage with a Scots family, that still wouldn’t resurrect the language or culture of what was there before. It’s gone.
The Anglicisation of Scotland is not yesterday’s phenomenon, and once our Scottish culture is lost or diluted, it is nearly impossible to resurrect. It is far better not to lose it in the first place. Culture is a delicate thing, especially after centuries of wilful attack.
That’s not bigotry or prejudice towards the economic migrants from the South, but it is a scathing indictment of the way Scotland is currently governed, and only Independence can be trusted to safeguard Scottish culture as an appropriate priority, because we all know Westminster has a more sinister agenda for dismantling Scotland’s distinct identity.
Alf Baird,
You do us a justice in Scotland to call out the conditions of Colonisation ,for there are those of us still alive today in Scotland that have taken the punishing beatings as children to suppress Scots.
Thanks James.
Somebody haed tae dae it, so it might as well be me. Tho there are few wirkin cless (or Scots!) professors aboot in Scotland able or willin tae tell oor ain story like it really is; or tae define independence as whit it really means – i.e. decolonization – or why it is necessary – i.e. leeberation fae oppression (a doun-hauden fowk):
link to cpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com
I was on the shop floor at 16, Alf, earning £35/week.
What defines you as a “working class” Professor, would you say?
I was on the 6.30am milk run from age 12-16, and soon thereafter on the shop floor at 16 earning £8 a week, all before you were born perhaps.
Nothing to be proud of, but in delivering their milk I was at least able to discern then the socio-economic and cultural divide between those Scots in the schemes and the better off kids wi fancy blazers an bools in thair mooth’s fae the big hooses wi ‘Vote Tory’ in the windaes getting into taxis to go to ‘their’ private schools.
Fair enough, Alf. C+ 🙂
I was expelled from school – a failing comprehensive that years later was placed in “special measures – yet still voted Tory all these years since (now Reform), partly because of this inglorious past. I’ve seen first hand what the “dead hand” of the LEA does to ordinary people & their likely prospects. Ditto unions and left wing groupthink in the (factory) workplace.
Do I win five pounds?
Aye, maist likely a stertit ma wirkin life afore ONY o’ ye wir born.
Five year auld a wis whin a climbed the inside o’ ma furst lum…
Aye, and ma wee set o’ tuils fir breakin’ up the haurdent soot whit caked a flue’s inner bricks and fir scrapin’ aff the creosote leached oot burnt wood that clings tae a chimley’s linin’ tied aboot ma waist in a speicial made wee hessian seck.
Up at five o’ the clock in the morn a wis and no feenished and back in ma wee beddie afore eleiven wis struck oan the clock at nicht.
Aye, a lang huard day it wis and wi only a short brak haufweys fir a meagre bite tae eat and wan or twa sips o’ watter tae wash the soot oot ma gizzern .
Four shillin a week a gat in ma pootch fir aw ma haurd wirk – happy days thae wir, aye… happy days.
“I’ve seen first hand what the “dead hand” of the LEA does to ordinary people & their likely prospects.”
Those on bigger salaries heading up LEA’s will all too often send their own kids to private schools, therefore it stands to reason they may take less interest in the state schools they are tasked to ‘manage’.
Of course, in a colonial society we can only ever expect ‘a mediocre meritocracy’ (Memmi) as well as a lack of resources, which explains the failings across all areas of the public sector.
“… Of course, in a colonial society we can only ever expect ‘a mediocre meritocracy’ (Memmi) as well as a lack of resources, which explains the failings across all areas of the public sector.“
I was in England, Alf. Not sure where that fits into your narrative.
Alf Baird @ 4:26
I thought you mentioned before you grew up in Leith
Who did you deliver milk for ?
Leith Provident ? (like I did)
I can’t remember any of their milk runs going to the “big hooses with Vote Tory posters in their windows” !!
“happy days”
Aye, Northy, I always suspected that even you must have been a productive member of society at one time.
I notice you decline to mention the perks. It was always a toasty job, and at this time of year, that was a Godsend.
What with you being clad in nothing but somebody’s cast-aff semmit and some filthy rags tied around your reeking feet.
Captain Caveman @ 12.19
Well off you were, CC. I left school at 15 on the Friday, started work in a city centre warehouse on the Monday at £2 twelve and sixpence.
And no, this working class guy never learnt any “Scots Dialect”, just ordinary Glaswegian.
Blimey Sven, have you ever considered a career in academia? 😀
But seriously, fair play to you. Bet you learnt a lot, not least the value of money and hard work, the “School of Hard Knocks”, no less. 🙂
I should’ve realised how fortunate I was to breath in cellulose vapour on a continuous basis (in between my “Regal” fags, natch), from the immediately adjoining air-drying enamel Paint Shop. Can recommend the Rhodes No.5 flypress also; beats a “pec deck” at the gym any day.
Captain Caveman @ 13.40.
Doubtless your auto immune, respiratory and pulmonary systems had the choice to toughen up or wilt under such conditions CC … making you the mighty mortal you be today.
My academic background consisted solely of night school at the Central College of Commerce and talks on dialectic materialism in unheated rooms from a dedicated communist Trades Unionist. Somehow, looking back, I feel I was the winner from being thrown into the real world in my teens. I’ve had a fine life working with and for some unpretentious ordinary men and women.
And, I’m kinda sensing that you may appreciate gaining your life values at an early age in practical work circumstances.
Any working class person voting for the tories or now reform needs their heids checked ,you are the epitome of faux tories ,that you consider yourself as being equal to greedy parasites whilst keeping your feet on the necks of the working people says more about the type of person you are
ALL working people desire a better life which was the reason detre of the original unions formation , unfortunately they have morphed into just another tory greed machine where it has adopted a business model that is more interested in selling home insurance and car insurance rather than protecting the people who pay their salaries
As has been said on here numerous times there is not a fag paper difference between any of the mainstream parties in the uk
Sophia Brooks hard luck mate.
Boo hoo
What a shame
Nevermind.
Mark Beggan @ 17.12.
Unfortunately, as we all know, “the process is the punishment”, and I’m afraid that Brooks will have achieved much of the desired objective by the worry and concern inflicted on Mr Linehan by this complaint and subsequent court action.
Equally concerning is surely the enthusiasm with which both the Police Service and Crown Prosecution Service appear to embrace any complaint from Trans individuals or groups, the very subject of this thread.
The College of Policing the originators of the NCHI ‘non-crime hate incident’ introduced in 2014 without a direct government mandate,
“Police officers have been trained to believe that their role is to monitor the speech and thought of citizens in line with the tenets of Critical Social Justice”
link to peterabell.substack.com
Quelle fucking surprise eh. Only complete dullards that spend far too much of their time punting out shite on t’internet couldn’t have noticed the in yer face increase of southerners moving here and the obvious effect it would have.
Some astute and savvy folk called it out, though, but guess pronoun bullshit and any other subject that could be leveraged for divisional and distractional purposes ruled the day for too many “smart” folk who never spent enough time off the internet bubbles they inhabit and in amongst their communities to notice the fucking bleeding obvious.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
And some argued that it is imperative to keep as many young folk in the equation, as btl comments show.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
“in yer face increase of southerners moving here and the obvious effect it would have”
So these southerners are stopping Sovereign Scots organising politically, and stopping Sovereign Scots voting for Indy?
Aye, right, maybe if these Southerners made up near 50% of the Scottish electorate.
But they don’t, so they aren’t, and you’re spouting blethers.
“leveraged for divisional and distractional purposes”
Aye, right, and alert readers of that article you link to will find the item at the top of the list of grievances an eye opener:
Brexit.
Quelle fucking surprise, eh?
The topic still at the top of every Sovereign Scot’s concerns when those doors are chapped – the mystical belief that if only all the big decisions are taken in Brussels by foreigners, all will be well.
Aye, right.
No, John. There is nothing in my post that states the influx of southerners are stopping Scots organising politically for whatever means. I was pretty much making the exact opposite point but no surprise you try to twist it as you do.
Incomers don’t need to amount to 50% of the Scottish population to affect voting outcomes, as the only need to align with one side of the already held views of the indigenous folk.
If you were alert you would see the first link was actually to a specific comment, but seeing as this site has been screwed up since the various “upgrades” it appears a link garnered from a specific comment won’t work if said comment appeared on the first page of comments when the article stretched to two pages of btl commentary.
So I’ll copy and post Mia’s post, which has nothing to do with “Brexit”…
Mia says:
23 August, 2021 at 7:22 pm
“What if she had all the numbers and research to be reasonably sure that indyref2 would be lost if held in the near future”
There is not “what if” about it. The longer she delays indyref, the lower the chances of a yes win. I have no doubt her handlers have done the research and that is precisely why they have her delaying indyref under the cynical lie that the delay is to help “convert no voters” or “to exit the pandemic”. Each excuse as big a pile of bullshit as the other.
For as long as this political fraud is allowed to use the same flawed franchise that we were subjected to in 2014, yes will never win and the native population will never be allowed to self-determine, because this flawed franchise seems to be designed to work in combination with the enormous proportion of no voting non-natives continuously migrating into Scotland compared with the diminutive increase in the original yes voting native population.
But don’t take my word for it. I invite you to take a close look at the census data for 2001 to 2011 and see it for yourself.
From 2001 to 2011, the total increase in Scotland’s population number was 233,392. Of those 233,392 extra people, only 1,484 were born in Scotland (more people were born in Scotland during that time, but a larger number died or migrated so they are no longer in the census. 1484 is the net gain).
As I said in previous threads, This means that of the net 233,392 extra people that Scotland gained in those 10 years, over 99% were from non Scottish ancestry, with no sense of Scottish nationhood and much less motivation to vote yes.
This is worrying because it is telling you that Scotland appears to be haemorrhaging yes voters and swapping them for no voters. One wonders how long this has been going on. One also wonders if this is precisely the reason why this political fraud continues to delay indyref. Personally, I am inclined to think this demographic problem together with the determination to keep Scotland subsidising England’s economy and acting as the parking lot for England’s WMD are the main motivators in Sturgeon’s delaying tactics.
The data in the census tells us that to keep the yes/no ratio the same, for every native, with innate sense of Scottish nationhood, that you convert to yes, you have another extra 99 more individuals to convert, but with the added difficulty that they are coming from elsewhere, have no yet allegiance to Scotland as a nation at all, no allegiance to Scotland’s history and heritage, no interest in Scotland’s language and culture, no interest in Scotland taking control of its own assets and destiny, no interest in Scotland’s political views but instead wanting to bring to make Scotland politically an extension of their “home” and with no interest in Scotland becoming independent. And that is just if you want to maintain the yes/no ratio as it is.
Do you see the problem that the political fraud’s delay is causing? I think it is rather obvious.
For as long as she maintains this flawed franchise, each year of delay is not giving the yes side a better chance. Is taking those chances away. Each year of delay is giving the no side a better chance to frustrate the natives’ vote thanks to the continuous influx of potential no voters from elsewhere.
The idea that with such flawed franchise and with more years yes will naturally increase is a fallacy. That would only be the case if the net increase in the native population was higher than the increase in the non native population. In Scotland the net increase of the non-native population is much higher than the net increase of the native population. So this is another of Sturgeon’s cosmic size cons, just like when she hides behind the label of “feminism” to shred females’ rights with impunity.
Only 1484 more people in 10 years in an original population of around 5 million is an increase of less than 0.003% per year. This tells us that the native population in Scotland is stalling and approaching zero population growth. In contrast, the non native population is increasing exponentially and clearly the unioinists (and I would say Sturgeon too) are taking advantage of this to deny the natives independence.
Why did the buffoon and others said that we had to wait 50 years for indyref?
Well, let’s see:
if every 5 years over 230,000 non natives, predominantly no voters, come into Scotland, after 50 years of same migration rate you could expect the net figure to be over 1,100,000 people. In the meantime, the Scottish native population of today would have increased by 1484 x 5 = 74200. 1,100,000 mostly no voters vs 74200 mostly yes voters. A unionist dream.
And that, of course, is without taking into account the number of children that over those 50 years will be born in Scotland from those non-natives and that will be brought up in families with allegiance to another country, no allegiance to Scotland as a nation and no interest in seeing Scotland independent.
We have been told that in 2014 the native population of Scotland voted for yes. It was the overblown no vote from the non-natives what frustrated that yes vote. The census tells us that every year this political fraud delays indyref, she increasing even more the risk of that happening again.
For the last 7 years she and her praetorian guard have been feeding us the bullshit that “we need to convert more no voters”. What these individuals did not tell us is that every year they delay indyref the number of no voters we have to convert compared with the yes voters increases exponentially, not because native yes voters move to no. It is because the majority of the migrants coming from elsewhere into Scotland and that constitute the biggest portion of the population increase in Scotland per year, are no voters.
Either the fraud is forced to change that flawed franchise or her and her handlers will use it again to frustrate the yes vote from the native population.
So, coming back to your comment, I have not a shadow of a doubt that she is, the same as I am, reasonably sure indyref will be lost in the future if she insists in keeping the same flawed franchise, is allowed to get away with delaying indyref for enough years to let enough no voters from elsewhere to balance the modest increase in yes vote since 2014.
Considering how many non-natives and with little allegiance to Scotland as a nation there are already in Scotland and watching the total determination of this woman to not launching an indyref campaign, I don’t think they need many years to balance the yes vote out.
This is why I think this political fraud has kept yes on a leash for 7 years, has had no interest whatsoever in launching a proper pro independence campaign, has not exploited those points in time when yes was over 50% and instead she proceeded to delay indyref for 5 years, plus now another 5 blaming the Greens, allowing another 330,000 potential no voters to come into Scotland to help frustrate the natives’ yes vote.
The difference between me and her is that while my blood boils because I can see how she is harming yes with that flawed franchise, her totally unnecessary delay and her stalling the campaigning, she appears to be rejoicing at the prospect of Scotland remaining in the union until the time England has bleed it dry of wealth and rendered the original native Scots population a minority in their own country.
Isn’t that what colonialism aims to after all – to swap enough of the native population with non-natives to remove the sense of nationhood and transform it into allegiance to the colonial power? Isn’t that what was done in NI and Gibraltar?
Mair shite fae you, Dan.
You’re claiming the very approximately 50-50 Yes-No split within indigenous Scots is a barrier that can never be breached.
You’re claiming that every greedy, grasping migrant that heads north is a No-for-life, and every one of their weans too.
Or, before you start splitting hairs, you’re getting the ludicrous Mia to make these absurd claims on your behalf.
Does not compute, Dan, and never will. If Scotland is as hoaching with resources and free dosh as you are forever telling us, a sizeable chunk of that 50% indigenous No voters are ripe for the plucking.
And the greedy, grasping migrants of every colour and creed even more so. They’re here for what they can get. Make a compelling case for Indy and they’ll have your arm off as they seek to grab even more for themselves.
Your entire narrative has never stacked up, and it never will.
Meantime, another day closer to May 2026, and nae Sovereign Scot cants are organising to stand on a simple plebiscitary policy for Indy, and so nae Sovereign Scot will be given the chance to vote for that.
“Isn’t that what colonialism aims to after all – to swap enough of the native population with non-natives to remove the sense of nationhood and transform it into allegiance to the colonial power?”
Mia’s points remain true; so long as colonialism is allowed to continue the people and their nation “are in the process of perishing” (Fanon).
OFFS, Alf, how many times?
All we Scots need to achieve for Indy is find a couple of hundred people who will look us in the eye and say “Vote for us, and we will deliver Indy, or be banged up for life in the attempt”.
And fucking mean it.
Then we will have to vote for them, of course, a majority willingly accepting the long, hard road that lies ahead.
Seems to me that for every clear-eyed Indy supporter who is under no illusions about the difficulties of unwinding 300+ years of UK integration, there are another 99 who are all for Indy just so long as they don’t have to get off the couch at any point.
Or lose one pound of their filthy lucre.
Here’s a thought for you, Alf, concerning today’s WM budget. See how Reeves has just found another £3 billion per year to satisfy the luxury belief that families who can’t afford to have even one kid should be supported in having as many as they can make? Paid for by extorting money from grafting families who have voluntarily and responsibly restricted their breeding to what they thought they could afford?
Don’t you think Scotland has been “colonised” by that alien idea?
It’s not so long since even the poorest and most humble of decent, Scots men would have taken mortal insult at the suggestion that, as the breadwinner, he couldn’t put food on his family’s table.
“Vote for us, and we will deliver Indy, or be banged up for life in the attempt”.
And why on earth would that be the choice / threat if we actually exist in a free and democratic society with a right to self-determination and not a de facto colony?
The issue and confusion is that there isn’t a defined and agreed upon path for folk to unify and push forward on.
Questions remain on whether to use the devolved poundshop diddy Scottish Parliament which has no remit over UK constitutional affairs and only exists as a result of UK Parliament Scotland Act, or Westminster elections as a plebiscite.
If The Kingdom of England wanted to end the Union with a de facto referendum using an election, it doesn’t have its own devolved parliament and elections for it, so would use a UK election as that is the only democratic option available to them.
I’m saying it could be the choice if WM were to play hardball with a majority-elected Scottish plebiscitary government declaring UDI.
Facing up to that reality and declaring to the voters of Scotland that the plebiscitary government were prepared to pay that price would certainly ramp up their credibility in my eyes. Ten fold.
Maybe it would in other Scot’s eyes as well.
We should accept we are lucky compared to the English. We have two assemblies in which we can seek and win a majority in favour of Indy for a governing party that actually intends to keep its manifesto promise on Indy – HR and WM. So we get two chances every 5 years.
The English only get the one.
Sorry, Dan, but I just don’t see this as being rocket science. It’s not like storming HR with Uzis and phoning a list of demands down to WM while holding terrified wee lassies as hostages.
It’s an organised cadre of Scots telling us and the world that if they get elected, they will regard that as a democratic mandate to begin negotiating the break up of the UK. It’s that cadre telling us and WM, in advance, that if snubbed by WM, then they will do it unilaterally.
It’s that cadre telling us ordinary Scots, to “back us or sack us”. It’s that cadre defying WM, in the eyes of the world, and if we back them by voting them into power, to deny them and us our legitimate democratic rights.
So let’s imagine the worst possible scenario. The plebiscite party forms, it contests an election (HR or WM), we vote overwhelmingly for it, the new government is formed, WM ignores it, Scotland declares UDI, troops rock up and arrest the lot of them, we march in the streets, the world howls in outrage, etc. etc.
At least we will finally know where we stand. There will be nobody posting, as I am now, that we Scots have yet to exhaust all peaceful, democratic options.
Heck, more of us might actually start to believe Professor Baird!
I see that Farage is now coming under attack on allegations of him as a thirteen year old schoolboy who made racist remarks.
No doubt intended to smear Mr Farage on an allegation which he denies. But the question for me is who released this nonsense and what was the reason.
Personally I have no time for Farage and his ilk but most certainly in England he is popular, and these allegations may actually increase his popularity in a country seething with resentment against the immigrant, many of whom will be voting Reform.
Concomitantly for those voting for Reform for different reasons not related to xenophobia, the attempted ‘ smear might just reinforce support for Farage and Reform.
And so I ask the question, who raised the allegation, and why,
see link to theguardian.com
Via the Guardian, it was raised by the people he racially abused. He started the abuse at age 13 but it went on for several years. He has now accused the accusers of lying, a further insult to them when it is he that is the liar. As one of those abused said, you do not forget these things, and he is dead right (as I can attest).
Is he still like this? Probably not, he has likely grown out of such extremism. But is it coincidence that he leads a hard right party that support from racists due to Reform’s stance on immigration and other ultra-nationalist politics, and never stops going on about all the foreigners, recently threatening to deport (‘repatriate’) people here legally, a policy straight out the BNP manifesto? It most obviously is not.
How many of us were horrible racist bullies at school? I genuinely hope very few but if someone was, it would take them actually coming clean, apologising and showing true regret for it to be moved on from.
Cry no tears for Farage, he made his bed back then and should simply come clean now instead of trying to lie his way out of it.
“Via the Guardian” – that’s as far as I got, Chief.
You’re loss. Stay in your blinkered bubble, it is safer there for you.
I prefer to listen to what the victims of Farage’s racist bullying and those who witnessed it or had information about it at the time have to say.
But let’s quote one bit that is not solely reliant on individual spoken testimony, and it is when Farage was 17:
‘[Michaal] Crick had obtained a letter from an English teacher at Dulwich college, Chloe Deakin. In it, she had opposed a decision in 1981 by the master of Dulwich college to make Farage a prefect when he was 17, describing him as having “publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views”.
Deakin, who did not know Farage personally, went on to say that a colleague had reported that at a combined cadet force (CCF) “camp organised by the college, Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night shouting Hitler Youth songs”.’
At a Dulwich school meeting around the same time discussing prefect appointments, some teachers expressed concern about Farage’s attitude to pupils of other races. And so on, there is a lot more if you bother to read it.
So it is really that surprising that some of those pupils were racially bullied by Farage, and never forgot it?
Or is that this whole thing is a fabrication, the ‘abused’ are lying, some of the teachers are lying, some members of the Cadet force are lyingi it is a co-ordinated conspiracy between all these folks to smear Farage today?
*Your loss
Hm, pointing out a typo is not exactly cutting anything here, but whatever, if it’s all you’ve got, may as well play that hand I suppose.
It’s not “all I’ve got”, it’s merely the only (miniscule, mocking) effort I’m prepared to devote to a likely groundless, Guardian-led lefty smear story about what someone supposedly said at the age of 13 and still in shorts (hmmm… smear story against political opponents you don’t like, sounds familiar in a Scottish politics context).
You people, eh. Try playing the ball, not the man (or child). Be better and less thick.
Like I say, you’ve got nothing but denial of reality: ‘likely groundless’, sure if you say so, I am sure you know best knowing absolutely nothing about it as you refuse to read the evidence, doing your fingers in ears routine once again (actually, more like head in sand given how blind you are, blind and deaf perhaps, shame you are not dumb too, I mean literally, as figuratively you clearly are). And Farage was 17, but whatever, just keep quoting it was when he was 13 and leave out the bit about that was when he started doing it, no-one will notice.
I do not normally play the man, but in your case you deserve it because by refusing to even look at evidence, you do not engage in good faith. Instead, you dismiss it because it is published by an outlet you do not like and so just say it is all rubbish, without any meaningful argument at all. This is the Reform way: stay ill-informed, shoot the messenger, belittle the victims, call them liars, claim conspiracy, blah fucking blah (Trump does all that so much better mind you). That is insulting to any sane person’s intelligence, so stop with the ‘play the ball’ stuff; you don’t.
You can say it is all a long time ago, and it was, and people can judge how much they think that relevant now. But the victims of Farage’s racist bullying over at least 5 years, corroborated by numerous others, is true, it happened, and there is written evidence from the time of his liking for Hitler, hatred of Jews, ring-leading of gas ’em all singing and Hitler Youth songs.
Sorry, I’ve had enough of idiots for one day. There’s only so much time in the day, after all, and I’ve got stuff to do.
I’ve pretty much covered it in my last post. You choose to believe – as gospel truth – a crass smear article about someone when they were 13 years of age (half a century ago or thereabouts), as espoused in a hopelessly partisan left wing rag with a political agenda as clear as day (and not even denied).
Further, you fail to grasp the significance of this barrel-scraping, ergo digging back deep into what people supposedly said when they were KIDS. (If that isn’t Orwellian, I don’t know what is; I know you lefties don’t tend to be too bothered about such niceties, but even you should be concerned at such antics. We wonder why no one decent enters politics and all we have are nobodies and drongoes? Pfft, join the bloody dots).
Find a better use for your time, maybe read a decent novel like 1984. It might do you some bloody good.
It is noteworthy mentioning that in the treaty of union the crown is settled on the country of England passed by two laws of the English parliament, prior to the treaty of union,
This is noteworthy as it is not a shared crown with Scotlands crown in a legal context,
One can only ruminate how or why England does not share the crown with Scotland or the effect this has on sharing kingdoms under the crown of England.
Thus we could be forgiven for thinking the two kingdoms are not united, nor are the two territories within those kingdoms, but rather a parliamentary political and trade union took place,
The crown therefore sits in the parliament of England as the crown of England.
However this parliamentary political union can only continue to exist in so far as two parliaments of both Scotlands and Englands parliaments still exist to continue the union.
We know Englands parliament continued for many reasons, which I won’t go into here, but the main one being, the crown of England still rests in that old parliament of England today, otherwise the crown of England would be homeless and the Westminster parliament would have no legal bases for Royal assent to any of its new laws.
We also know through historical records that the parliament of England and the Crown of England dissolved the parliament of Scotland from England.
while under Scots law in Scotland it was Sine die, temporally closed til further notice is the best way to explain this for those unaware of Scots language.
The reality remains that in a legal or royal context we have one monarch of England that rest in the parliament of England without the parliament of Scotland or the crown of Scotland in either of the first two.
May I be the first to congratulate you on your much repeated Scottish Historical Information Targeting England. Rather than repeat these words continually I prefer the acronym SHITE.
You regularly enthrall Wings readers with slightly differing versions of your SHITE but, at the end of the day, SHITE is still SHITE.
I could be wrong but I think that the majority of Wings aficionados would prefer to read endless comments about Colonialism, the bastard English and the old favourite, anyone who does not agree with the nutters is automatically a Unionists.
You have a great day now researching your SHITE.
“One can only ruminate how or why England does not share the crown with Scotland….”
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Why chew the cud when the answer stares you in the face?
The English crown was inherited by James VI in 1603. What need to share with the Scots something they already possess ?
What is the treaty of union, if not a empty promise?
How is the union of two kingdoms conjoined?
What attaches Scotland to England if not the continuation of both parliaments?
What creates the State of Great Britain whilst only having one crown of England, one parliament of England?
Scotland sort of offered its crown , ( not its territory) , it could only do due this, as the monarch of Scotland was not monarch of the territory like in England, but monarch of Scots by choice,
It is still noteworthy at this point to recognise that England never actually took up that offer Scotland made, but instead retained the Crown of England as Settled by the parliament of England statues that were passed. And still exists today.
Writing of hated southerners, I see England have thrown down the gauntlet of challenge by voting in their first openly gay Miss England.
She will compete in Miss World next year.
Time for Scotland to up the ante. We need our first openly trans Miss Scotland and we need him now.
Let’s put Scotland front and centre in the limelight on the world stage! We may be too wee, too poor and too daft (discuss) but when it comes to being woke, we’re second to nobody.
The Italian parliament has just unanimously passed a law making femicide a crime.
The intent is to challenge the wide-spread acceptance across what is a deeply patriarchal society that the killing of women is “justified” where the male perpetrator believes his “honour” or the “honour” of the wider family has been insulted by the victim’s behaviour.
Compare and contrast with Scotland, which only a few weeks ago published a ScotGov-commissioned report recommending abortion up to birth, and on relaxed justifications, including gender.
Which, of course, means abortion of unwanted girls by those families who values only sons.
Makes us think, eh? Maybe we need a puckle mair of them hated southerners to move among us, civilise us, and teach us the fundamentals of ethics.
Hatey, if you didn’t love the sounds of your own voice so much you might have actually bothered to list the the results from the Abortion Law Review Expert Group.
The following is a summary from Google’s AI, so it might not be completely accurate. However, even if you’re 100% in on Women’s Rights you have to be concerned by the following:
1. Abolish the 24-week limit for most abortions, allowing them to be performed for “social circumstances” up to birth.
2. Permit abortion up to birth for any social reason, including the sex of the baby.
3. Remove the requirement for two doctors’ approval for abortions after 24 weeks, instead allowing them to be approved by any two healthcare professionals.
4. Decriminalize abortion and allow it to be performed by a wider range of healthcare professionals.
Pretty despicable. particularly since women terminating because of the sex of the baby might not be doing so of their own free will. It’s also despicable that people like, poor ol’ liberal me, are being forced into a position where I’m aligned with hateful hatemongers. A pox on all your houses.
I don’t believe these claims. Citation and links from credible mainstream sources please.
I guess living in a cave and all you won’t have realised that answers from LLMs are safe and sanitised and under no circumstances reflect right-wing or controversial views:
The summary of all the recommendations can be found on Page 3 of the report, link to gov.scot
The list is quite long so I’ll leave that as an exercise for you. However some recommendations corroborate the summary. For example:
2. In considering whether an abortion is appropriate, a registered healthcare professional should have regard to –
(c) the patient’s current and reasonably foreseeable physical, psychological and social circumstances.
I think that’s pretty unambiguous.
Reams of text, from a Scottish governmental think tank (which doesn’t have reserved powers in respect of supposed scrapping of gestational time limits for abortion). Care to pull out the (supposed) relevant section(s), notwithstanding the likely irrelevance of the source material?
You were asked to back up your outlandish claims, which you’ve failed miserably to do.
Stuart responding to a self confessed engerlander who has no skin in the game is just a waste of your valuable time , THAT tory self aggrandising walloper is only here to bait and ridicule ANYTHING , he is the epitome of the exceptionalist engerlishman
He is one of the many Scotland HATING cunts infesting this site
Welcome to the real world, Stuart.
You’re gonna find it challenging, difficult, near impossible at times.
But, as the scales of wish-fulfilment and self-deception fall from your eyes, you’ll start to feel the exhilarating effects of confronting and accepting truths. The liberating effects, even.
Stick around.
Removing Keir Starmer could boost independence chances, John Swinney claims, and I’d say removing John Swinney would delivery Independence and stop our industry’s being shut down completely.
So reading “Your Right to Decide sets out the Scottish Government’s view that it is for the people of Scotland to decide on their constitutional future. It calls on the UK Government to make a clear commitment to respect the people of Scotland’s right to choose their constitutional future.” I ask my self why would you come out with something so stupid when the SNP want to ask for a section 30 and win a out right majority without any other party’s help and then go and ask for a section 30.
Because if the SNP wanted the Scots to have the right to decide then allow them to do that by removing the Section 30 request and the SNP is the only party in town and that the SNP has to mimic the 2011 election.
This is the same man (John Swinney) who before the results of the Westminster election came in was boasting how he was going to help and work with the labour government while they were in office and then lost all his MP’s.
Its sad how the SNP state “Your Right to Decide” and block every avenue to achieve it. Goes on TV complaining that Scotland is losing manufacturing jobs and calls to be heard by the PM, John have you ever thought of going down to London and chapping on his door and having a word directly rather than waiting to be asked to appear.
AUDIO of first part of ALF BAIRD’S presentation on behalf of SALVO to the UN in GENEVA:
PROF ALF BAIRD, GENEVA SPEECH PART 1: UNVEILING THE REALITY OF COLONIAL DOMINATION
youtu.be/_VotgmMDZK8?si=L4G6x2l7piv-oMSb
Thanks Alf. Well done.
Attempt to post a more direct link to Alf’s speech:
link to youtube.com
Thanks Fearghas. Perhaps also worth noting that the papers from Liberation Scotland’s seminar hosted at the UN in Geneva can still be accessed here:
link to jpti.ch
It appears The Budget is bringing good news to ordinary, working Scots.
They’ve to be additionally taxed, partly to fund the kids they themselves can’t afford to have.
As one of the justifications for immigration is always that we indigenes aren’t breeding at replacement levels, it’s good to see yet another policy primarily tailored to transfer resources from us to our official replacements.
Jock Tamson’s bairns and all that.
Here’s a wee prediction. Reeves, or her sorry replacement, will be back for more bleeding flesh before 6 months are up.
And another one. Scottish Indy will do SFA to capitalise on this latest hammer blow to ordinary working people before May 2026. Other than gurn about it.
Muslim brotherhood now outlawed and recognised as a terrorist organisation in the USA.
Phew, looks like the sisterhood is OK for now 🙂
But doesn’t the very name tell us everything we need to know about the misogynistic, medieval cants? Fifty per cent of their people forever frozen out of everything.
Fifty percent canon fodder for the caliphate.
What do the Sisters get if they die for the cause.
The people responsible for putting up Terrorist/saltire flags in Glasgow and Edinburgh are based in StAlbans and London.
Local councillors have also received emails and as a result complaints have been made to both councils.
Follow the money!!
“Public petitions committee shuts down a legal route to Scottish Self-Determination”
link to dearscotland.substack.com
John has a plan, 1 win an only SNP majority and only if the SNP wins a majority 2 ask for a section 30 order 3 if the UKG says naw only then can John reveal his master plan.
I’m going to let everyone into a top secret, scotgoespop has revealed John secret plan today and guess what it might work, so if you want to know head over right now.
But of course Dan – there is a 0% chance of this latest ‘cunning plan’ ever being held up in court or being legally effective in any way given its explicit conflict both with the terms of the Scotland Act and numerous subsequent rulings of the Supreme Court. I have explained at length previously why this is the case, but since part of the Indy movement has begun to resemble more of a religion than a political cause I’ve long since realised it’s pointless typing out long and reasoned explanations to people who are determined to believe things regardless of anything anyone else’s says or does.
“… I have explained at length previously why this is the case, but since part of the Indy movement has begun to resemble more of a religion than a political cause I’ve long since realised it’s pointless typing out long and reasoned explanations to people who are determined to believe things regardless of anything anyone else’s says or does.”
In my view, the biggest mistake the “nutter fringe” makes is to assume that everyone has the same absurdly low bar for information, assurance and credibility that they do? Just because they might be impressed by a handful of some particularly glittery beads in lieu of a detailed, costed and credible political and economic prospectus for independence, certainly doesn’t mean that everyone else would be so easily beguiled.
Well exactly, and any informed, evidenced-based criticism of whatever the latest plan is marks you out as a ("Tractor" - Ed) who must be working for the other side or the British Army. The view often expressed here is that everyone just has to believe a bit harder, and that faith alone will overcome all of the very real, tangible issues and challenges.
Aka the current scheme. Does anyone really think that the Scottish Parliament can circumvent the Scotland Act by passing a piece of legislation purporting to be in furtherance of an international treaty? Sure if we disregard swathes of relevant principles of U.K. constitutional law and go with “A coz B coz C innit” legal reasoning, but that fantasy is only going to collide with the brick wall of the courts system.
Shameless communists United in Resistance, wanting a bit of capitalism based in St Albans. Making money off the deaths of Israeli hostages and Palestinians.
I see Tommy Sheridan and Kevin Gore’s face on their website. Disappointing.
Are Indy activists becoming as toxic as Transvestites?
PARENTS OF GENDER-CONFUSED CHILDREN CALL FOR PROBE INTO BBC PRO-TRANS BIAS
A group representing parents of gender-confused children has urged Ofcom to investigate the BBC’s promotion of transgender ideology.
In a letter to the UK’s media regulator from the group’s solicitors Conrathe Gardner LLP, the Bayswater Support Group detailed the broadcaster’s failure to uphold its “duty of impartiality and safeguarding” on the issue, and highlighted its unwillingness to engage with the group’s concerns.
Campaigners Sex Matters recently called on the BBC to stop “normalising transgender ideology” to children. Both actions follow reports that a small group of internal LGBT activists censored news coverage that was critical of transgender ideology.
‘PROPAGANDA’
Bayswater, which represents over 650 parents and guardians, said its members had “sought to engage with the BBC to encourage a fair and balanced coverage of trans issues to reflect the varied experiences within their group”.
But, the letter explained, they had faced “consistent resistance from the BBC in their unwillingness to amend stories which promote a one-sided perspective on trans issues and incorporate a more critical perspective on promoting transition”.
A spokesman for the group told The Daily Telegraph: “For the past decade, the constant stream of propaganda about gender and trans activism the BBC has transmitted has played a significant role in creating a dangerous culture for children.”
“The end result of this is a generation of teens and young adults who have come to severe harm, frequently self-diagnosed and self-medicated, estranged from families.”
‘GROSSLY IRRESPONSIBLE’
He continued: “The lack of action by the regulatory authorities has been in dereliction of their primary duty.
“Tragically, we can’t undo the damage this has done to our children, but hope this complaint will cause Ofcom to address the years of failure to regulate the grossly irresponsible and politically motivated coverage of the BBC.”
(The Christian Institute, 26 Nov 2025)
link to christian.org.uk
Ah well, frozen tax thresholds to continue to 2031 That’ll increase the tax take for working people. And for pensioners more and more pensioners will now have to pay tax on their pensions.
Well one can only say hell mend them. They spent their lives paying into the system to receive a pension and now its getting taxed.
Its an interesting concept. Progressive taxation is fair. First hundred pound of income crucial, second hundred important, subsequent hundreds desiarable. That’s the concept of progressive taxation. But now the poor suckers pensioners in their dotage, many on on the state pension will have to pay tax on their pension.
Ah the poor donkeys. And there’s hee haw they can do about it. Not difficult to see why assisted dying legislation is being promoted.
And council tax, well we’ll just have to wait until we see what the Scottish Government do with that. Pensioners, many of whom are income poor but house value rich, could well be in for a further dunt. Think single pensioner living in the family home having to pay council tax they have no income to pay and you get the idea as to how regressive tax further scuds the old dodgers.
But hey, better together, make the dodgers pay because there’s nothing they can do.
That’s a very negative POV, willie.
All over the UK, immigrant families are blessing Reeves this morning.
Many of them being unskilled and on low incomes, they will see their hourly rates are going up.
Many of them being from communities that value and even demand extended families, they will see their child benefits are going up.
Many of them being struggling to find decent accommodation, they will be pleased to see Labour forgetting about their house building pledges and instead moving to drive auld whiteys out of theirs. Lots of big houses to split into new HMOs.
You’re looking through the wrong end of the telescope, willie.
You’re forgetting that as the country is flooded with immigrants, few of whom have any prior political convictions (other than rabid antisemitism), all parties who are serious about getting and keeping office have to increasingly pander to the growing tail that wags the diminishing dog.
Why not celebrate this wonderful multicultural reality, like they tell you to?
@ Dan at 18.28: Closure of the Holyrood petition that would have given us some direct democracy.
Another piece of terrible news, Dan. Holyrood MSPs either too stupid or too crooked to do the right thing for the benefit of the voters. The facts were presented to them – it was a simple and perfectly clear matter but they went along with the lies of Angus Robertson.
We MUST get a lot of people with principles and honesty into Holyrood in May 2026.
“We MUST get a lot of people with principles and honesty into Holyrood in May 2026”
Erm, OK.
Any ideas? Naw?
Here’s one. Find out what the people of Scotland really, REALLY want. Work out a plausible and timely plan to deliver what we really want. Stand for office promising to deliver that plan for what we really want.
Once in office, being a person of principles and honesty, do what you said you would do.
Not exactly rocket science, is it?
Helpful Hint: What the people of Scotland really, REALLY want might not be Indy.
WHAT THE PEOPLE OF SCOTLAND, & loads of other places too, require is a heavy dose of Huxley’s SOMA…let them sleep for a generation or two, perhaps never to encounter reality ever again.
The politicians WILL supply that, the dealers & users par excellence.
Scotland awake! pure satire.
NEW WOMEN’S CAMPAIGN GROUP VOWS TO KICK MEN OUT OF WOMEN’S SPORT
A new group founded by former Olympian Sharron Davies MBE has pledged to end men being allowed to compete in women’s sport across the UK.
Davies said the Women’s Sports Union (WSU) is ready to launch legal action to defend the belief that “everyone must compete in the category to which their biological body belongs”.
Davies, as CEO of the WSU, is supported by a coalition of sportspeople, legal experts and policymakers, including Judi Murray OBE, Olympic legend Daley Thompson CBE, sports policy consultant Cathy Devine, and Free Speech Union International CEO Jon Benjamin.
‘SEX-BASED’
Speaking to The Daily Telegraph, Davies stressed that she is “never anti-trans, just pro-female”.
Explaining the group’s origins, she said that those involved “couldn’t just keep verbally lobbying. We needed to create an umbrella organisation that people could join and donate to, so that we could go down a legal route.
“What we would like it to be in the future is a voice for women’s sport.”
The WSU’s stated aim is “to protect and grow spaces where women and girls are seen, heard, supported, celebrated and given their sex based rights to equal opportunity”.
COMPROMISE
In the Telegraph article, Davies was also critical of sports’ bodies in Britain that had banned men from elite but not grassroot competitions for women.
Earlier this year, she accused the Lawn Tennis Association of adopting an “insane” and “illegal position” after it protected all female competitions, except those at local club level, from transgender and ‘non-binary’ players.
Davies observed: “Even after the very clear Supreme Court ruling on what a woman is and the 1975 Sex Discrimination Act, sports are still choosing men’s feelings over women’s reality and our rightful opportunities to fair sport, free from any and all males.
“It’s simply wrong. It’s time for women to firmly say no. And if we have to, we will resort to more litigation.”
BIOLOGICAL SEX
In September, World Athletics introduced the use of the once-off SRY gene eligibility test for participation in world ranking competitions for women.
The test, which it describes as “a reliable proxy for determining biological sex”, identifies the sex determining gene, which is usually found on the male sex chromosome.
Commenting on the new regulations, World Athletics President Sebastian Coe said: “It was always very clear to me and the World Athletics Council that gender cannot trump biology”.
World Boxing introduced the SRY gene test in May.
(The Christian Institute, 27 Nov 2025)
link to christian.org.uk
ARCHAEOLOGISTS & FORENSIC SCIENTISTS have been able to determine biological sex from partial sketetal remains for centuries.
Gender ought to be kept within the field of linguistics.
“Gender ought to be kept within the field of linguistics.”
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In Gaelic, for instance, the word for “woman” (“boireannach”) is masculine, and the word for “trousers” (“briogais”) is feminine…
In the case of the Picts/Pictavia, matrilineal royal succession (rather than the more common patrilineal) for selection of future high kings made the Picts ‘unique in a European context’ (Clarkson, ‘The Picts’); i.e. the king was rarely succeeded by his son but instead by his womb-brother – ‘son of the king’s mother’ – or by a ‘son of the king’s sister’.
This tradition probably ended soon after the ‘deceit and slaughter’ of Pictish leaders by Dalriada Scots at Scone resulting in the subsequent ‘Gaelicisation of Pictavia’, rather than the previously more likely scenario, ‘the Pictification of the Scots’.
Hence ‘Scotland’, or rather ‘Pictavia’?
Alf Baird writes @ 27 Nov 2.08 pm:
“the ‘deceit and slaughter’ of Pictish leaders by Dalriada Scots at Scone”
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Alf, your relentless irrational hatred of Gaelic, rejecting it as foreign, coupled with your equally irrational identification of Germanic Lallans with Celtic Pictish, does you no credit. It is obsessive, offensive, and deeply divisive. I don’t know the provenance of the linked video below which I just came across, but it argues evidentially and is helpfully conciliatory. I quote randomly from it, not with any hope of changing your own mind, but hopefully as some kind of antidote for the general reader against your toxin on this issue:
« What really happened to the Picts? During the ninth century, a major political change took place in northern Britain. Kenneth MacAlpin, the king of the Scots of Dál Riata, became the ruler of both the Gaels and the Picts. This event later became wrapped in legend, especially in the tale known as the “Treason of Scone.” According to this story, MacAlpin invited Pictish leaders to a feast and killed them to take power. It is the kind of tale that spreads easily because it is dramatic and simple. But historians who study the period do not see real evidence for such an event. The story first appears centuries later, long after the people who lived through the ninth century were gone. Most researchers agree that it is a legend created to fill the gap left by poorly written records. But archaeology gives a much clearer picture of what happened.
« Pictish and Gaelic areas shows no sign of population replacement. There is no genetic marker that separates Picts from Gaels in a clear way. Studies from the last decade have confirmed that these groups were part of the same broad population of northern Britain. This means there was no genocide and no invasion that wiped out one group and replaced it with another. The people did not go anywhere.
« Their descendants are still in Scotland today. So why did the name disappear? The best explanation is political change. When MacAlpin and his successors created the new kingdom of Alba, they ruled through Gaelic traditions, not Pictish ones. Gaelic became the language of power, law and church influence. As this culture took the lead, people slowly adopted its language and customs.
« Over time, the label “Pict” stopped being used. This was not because the people vanished, but because the political world around them now spoke a different language and followed a different identity. The truth is simple. The Picts did not fade away or suffer a dramatic end. They became part of a new state, and their descendants became the Scots. The name may have changed, but the people remained.
« The DNA showed that the Picts were not outsiders. They were part of the long line of ancient Britons. And this means their language was almost certainly part of the Brittonic Celtic family. This places Pictish beside ancient Welsh, the lost language of Cumbric and the early form of Cornish. »
‘SCIENTISTS HAVE JUST SEQUENCED THE SCOTTISH PICTS’ DNA’
link to youtube.com
Fearghas, much of what you post here confirms the central place of the Picts in these lands we know as ‘Scotland’, as confirmed in the archaeological and historical record.
If you want to dispute the probability of the violent takeover of Picts by Dalriada Scots/Gaels, best take that up with Clarkson and others who regularly contribute to the growing literature we know as ‘Pictish Studies’.
As for the Picts being ‘the same as Welsh or Cornish’, that’s surely a bit of a stretch – much like saying ‘the Scots must be English because they speak English’! And rather like claiming ‘everybody throughout Scotland once upon a time spoke Gaelic’, the latter language introduced here through migration from Ireland and totally alien to indigenous Picts and their descendants who inhabited most of what we now know as Scotland.
You might benefit from doing a course in archaeology during the Iron-Age period in Scotland.
‘… You might benefit from doing a course in archaeology during the Iron-Age period in Scotland.’
I’m sorry, what? Iron Age?
Iron Age??? 😀
Blimey, Alf, there’s Ancient Guff and then there’s REALLY Ancient Guff. Bloody hell, even Northcode wasn’t around then?
Never let it be said that you don’t hold a grudge!
Alf writes: “And rather like claiming ‘everybody throughout Scotland once upon a time spoke Gaelic’, the latter language introduced here through migration from Ireland and totally alien to indigenous Picts and their descendants who inhabited most of what we now know as Scotland.”
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Gaelic and Pictish were comparatively closely related Celtic tongues. In no way were they “totally alien” to each other. Celtic Pictish and Germanic Lallans, both being Indo-European languages, would not even be “totally alien” to each other.
Pictish influence on Gaelic syntax seemingly added to the latter’s differentiation from Irish Gaelic. That’s indigenous development. There are a number of Pictish words borrowed into Scottish Gaelic.
A central conundrum in discussing these issues with you is that on the one hand you remorselessly demonise Gaelic as being (as you have it) the language of cut-throat foreigners, while the language you champion (and fair enough per se) arose from a foreign (Northumbrian) takeover of Lothian.
You terminally compound this by untenably identifying your Middle English rooted Lallans with Celtic Pictish which, ironically, would actually have been fairly close to the Lothian Gododdin P-Celtic which was smothered by your incoming Northern English mother tongue. And, as said, that earlier Lothian P-Celtic would have had significant linguistic affinity with Q-Celtic Gaelic.
Regarding the indigenous presence of the actual eponymous SCOTS (ie the Gaels) I would direct readers attention (again) to the following academic article:
WERE THE SCOTS IRISH? by Ewan Campbell
link to electricscotland.com
“…as from “Inglis”, itself yet more unabashed, ineffectual trolling”
The Scots are now defined as trolls by the Inglis on here for daring to write in their own language (it brings back memories of my childhood and being told at school not to speak in my mither-tongue and being viciously belted with a tawse if I did).
“…whilst literally cunt-calling me in this very thread.
A weak attack as I clearly, and immediately, stated on this same thread that I was joking (a poor attempt at shock-wit, granted) within the context of what was being discussed… I even apologised just in case the target of my ‘wit’ thought I was being serious such was my concern for their emotional welfare.
“I very much do have a vested interest in keeping said Union together in a basic, material sense…having a more ephemeral, emotional attachment to Scotland.”
And there it is; plain as day in the words of an Englishman who, by his own admission, has no care for the Scots bar how much he can profit from his own country’s exploitation of them.
No care for their history.
No care their culture.
No care for their traditions or their language or their identity.
No care for their mountains and glens and lochs and rivers and seas bar how their wealth of natural resources can be most efficiently extracted regardless of the damage done to them in the process, or how they can be used for ‘play’ or for sport to the exclusion of maist Scots.
To the colonialist (unionist if preferred… same thing) the Scots exist only to be exploited – and to ease the colonialist’s unconscious guilt they convince themselves the Scots are a lesser folk; a folk unworthy of being treated as equals by their oppressor.
To the colonialist that which rightfully belongs to the Scots alone can be freely taken against their will and any protest raised by the Scots simply ignored.
To the colonialist Scotland and the Scots belong to England to be treated as an annexed territory, a colony, and as carelessly as England sees fit.
To the colonialist the Scots and their nation’s possessions may be shared – for a price – among every other people on God’s Earth… and if the Scots want a share of what is really their ain it will cost them much, much more than it does the rest of the World.
To the colonialist Scotland doesn’t exist, and by their twisted logic… neither do the Scots.
Yet another absurd doubling down; “putting words into my mouth” doesn’t even begin to cover it.
You’re beyond all help; you see everything through the prism of bitterness, irrational prejudice, envy and bigotry – not to mention crass stupidity. If you’re angry – and you clearly are – it is not the “Inglis” who are to blame mate, or whatever other boogeyman you care to conjure up (no doubt as a figleaf for some failing or other).
Genuinely sorry for you.
“…you see everything through the prism of bitterness, irrational prejudice, envy and bigotry…
Yes, I do… I was created in the smouldering red-hot ashes of a dying industrial hellscape and emerged a fully formed man burning with desire; the desire to save my people from a great evil and to rebuild that wonderous world that was once the realm of the Picts – a world that has almost faded to nothing yet still exists… though only in the darkest corners of the shadowlands.
“… If you’re angry – and you clearly are…
OF COURSE I’M ANGRY… ENGLAND STOLE MY COUNTRY!!!!!!!
Anger, of course, or the feigning of it is a braw rhetorical device – I watched Jimmy Reid use it to great effect back in the seventies.
“England stole my country” – alright lad put down the Buckie and get some kip, you’ll be wearing out your keyboard with all this frothing rage. Nobody “stole your country”. I don’t know who you are but perhaps whatever deficiencies you’re suffering in your own life might be a better subject of your time rather than ranting and rambling on here all hours of the day about the “Inglis” and resources and whatever else.
OH MY FUCKING GOD!
You English are so literal. Either you’re taking the piss or you ACTUALLY think I was seriously shouting about my country being stolen (although it pretty much has been as it turns oot).
Jesus wept… how did the Scots manage do get thersels duped by you bunch o’…whitiver the fuck you are – other than coloniZers that is?
I know you unionists all think your being mighty clever attacking me with – let’s face it, simple-minded insults… but it’s you lot who come across as idiots not me.
I didn’t before, but after the performance you lot have just put on, I DO think my intellect is superior to all of yours… and I’m a moron.
Please don’t tell me you think I was actually created in a pile of burning ashes with a mission to save the Picts…
“… and I’m a moron“
Well, yes. Obviously. It’s what I, and numerous others have been saying all along.
Look, you really can’t blame us for having the unenviable task of sifting through your unhinged comments and trying to “reverse engineer” them and working out which of them are too swivel-eyed even for you, old boy.
Get yourself a new hobby.
“Well, yes. Obviously.
Holy Christ! You actually fell for that… unbelievable. I knew one of you would, though.
Anyway, you guys are beginning to boar me… and I was already bored.
“…you unionists all think your being mighty clever…”
I’m surprised one of you didn’t have a go at me for my deliberately deployed (prove it wisnae) grammatical error…maybe I’ll get a bite next time.
“I can’t believe you fell for ‘England stole my country’ even though England stole my country”. Right, so we didn’t misinterpret it, we correctly understood what you wrote. You are out soiling yourself in public every day for anyone to read. There is nothing more demeaning and humiliating to Scots and to Scotland than the hysterical dramatic drivel that gets spewed out in the comments section here every day. It is thoroughly shameful.
Aidan says:
28 November, 2025 at 3:56 pm
“You are out soiling yourself in public every day for anyone to read. “
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There was once a sole occupant of an otherwise empty but stenchy railway compartment.
When asked by a new arrival, “have you shat yourself?”, he replies: ‘AYE’
“Why don’t you clean yourself then?”
‘Cos ah huvnae feenished yet!’
Be careful what you wish for, Aidan.
“…we correctly understood what you wrote.
Not even close – my braw Scots wit (easily understood by indigenous Scots weans) is beyond yer foreign adult’s comprehension.
“There is nothing more demeaning and humiliating to Scots…”
…than to be coloniZed by the English?
I absolutely agree with you there, AI Dan.
Us Scots might have been coloniZed by the French or the Spanish, or even the Dutch.
But no… we were coloniZed by the English – Oh the shame and humiliation of it.
Still, just a few more years at most and Scotland will be her own mistress once more.
Here, you colonialists have been wadin’ intae me the day, eh?
I’ve noticed you boys like tae gang up on any Scot in this place who writes anything near the truth about the ‘Union’.
Fortunately, however, their patter is pish
“You are out soiling yourself in public…
Aye, whin ye get tae ma age it’s always a risk, son.
Although thon Tena Pants are usually up tae the job o’ containin’ any accidental spillages… liquids and solids baith.
You Inglis should lighten up on here… it isn’t your country that’s been colonized.
“Cos ah huvnae feenished yet!”
That’s actually pretty good, Cynicus… made ME laugh anyway.
While I’m on here complimenting your witticism I’ve a correction to my last post to make:
“Fortunately, however, their patter is pish” should read “Fortunately, however, unionist patter is pish.”
Sure, Northy, simultaneously claim the English are useless, effete shite and that they’ve kept Scotland under their thumb for 300+ years.
That’s on a par with claiming intellectual superiority is in the DNA of us Scots while gurnin the majority of us are too thick to notice we’ve been colonised.
Here’s an idea! Now I’ve pointed this out, why not claim you never intended for any of it to be taken seriously?
G’wan Northy, you know you want to.
“the majority of us are too thick to notice we’ve been colonised”
‘Conditioned’ might be a better term. The ‘colonial condition’ requires ‘careful treatment’, according to Albert Memmi, tho the only remedy is liberation and self-recovery of culture. Memmi went on to illustrate many of the reasons behind enforced failings within colonial societies, including that:
“Colonized society is a diseased society in which internal dynamics no longer succeed in creating new structures. Its century-hardened face has become nothing more than a mask under which it slowly smothers and dies. Such a society cannot dissolve the conflicts of generations, for it is unable to be transformed. Colonized society has not taken even half a step forward… The colony’s life is frozen; its structure is both corseted and hardened.”
Memmi describes this as “mummification of the colonized society”. Which seems to aptly reflect Scotland under long-term colonial rule.
“Colonized society is a diseased society in which internal dynamics no longer succeed in creating new structures”
I’ve come to understand, thanks mostly to Alf Baird’s work and his research on how postcolonial theory applies to Scotland, how insidious and truly evil colonialism as a human group activity really is.
And those involved – at any level, mind – in the inflicting of a cruel and barbarous system of oppression and control on another people are utterly complicit.
Ignorance of how contributing to such colonial systems consigns others to lives of misery; others deemed by some twisted measure less worthy of a decent life than those who participate in colonial oppression is no excuse.
I believe the Scots as a people are suffering from a now recognised disease of the mind known as Intergenerational Colonial Trauma Syndrome (ICTS) – or in the case of the Scots the “Scottish Cringe” in lay terms.
ICTS describes colonialism as a system, a structure, and an open wound that festers across generations.
The trauma inflicted by ICTS doesn’t go away with time or is restricted only to those individuals who first suffered it – it is inherited, passed down; a malignant heritage shaping the lives of those who come after.
ICTS is a condition that goes beyond postcolonial theory and explains to some extent the persistent psychological, cultural and material effects of enslavement, forced assimilation, and the mass displacement or killing of peoples who fall victim to colonialism.
And those who might pour scorn on the idea of the Scots as being enslaved should remember there is more than one type of slavery… especially where the mind is concerned.
Colonialism – contrary to what the British Empire at one time would have us all believe – is not an altruistic venture to raise peoples up, but is ingloriously driven by greed and economic plunder in which keeping those peoples whose wealth is being stolen held firmly down, or doun-hauden as Alf puts it in Scots, is a constituent part of the whole vicious racket.
Colonialism is evil and is a scourge on humanity.
Colonialism is alive and kicking… kicking the shit out of the Scots right now and right here in bonnie Scotland.
Incredibly ICTS is actually a real thing. However, fortunately it doesn’t apply in this context.
Unfortunately, I read this paragraph describing delusional disorder and I think it’s something some of you might want to speak to a professional about:
“A delusion is an unshakable belief in something that’s untrue. The belief isn’t a part of the person’s culture or subculture, and almost everyone else knows this belief to be false.
People with delusional disorder often experience non-bizarre delusions. Non-bizarre delusions involve situations that could possibly occur in real life, such as being followed, deceived or loved from a distance. These delusions usually involve the misinterpretation of perceptions or experiences. In reality, these situations are either untrue or are highly exaggerated.
Non-bizarre delusions are different from bizarre delusions, which include beliefs that are impossible in our reality, such as believing someone has removed an organ from your body without any physical evidence of the procedure.
People with delusional disorder often continue to socialize and function well, apart from the subject of their delusion. Generally, they don’t behave in an odd or unusual manner. This is unlike people with other psychotic disorders, who might also have delusions as a symptom. In some cases, however, people with delusional disorder might become so preoccupied with their delusions that their lives are disrupted”
It’s maist likely due to haein a young and no yit fully matured mind.
Maist likely a young mind that micht find it amusing in its infancy, like the mind o’ some idiot wean might dae, tae dismiss, disparage and mock the feelings of Scots folk on here merely because it doesn’t think the Scots are worthy of any kind of respect.
Maist likely a young mind that has been raised, as an English might be, perhaps, to believe it is better than the folk it denigrates.
Ach well, never mind. Ther’s still a wee bit o’ time yit tae grow intae a sensible adult wha micht respect the feelings o’ ither people wan day… just enjoy yer wee childhood while ye still hae it… it goes richt quick, so it does.
I remember, for example, gaitherin’ ore as a wean way back in the Iron Age for my Pictish tribe, the Selgovae, in a previous life… ach, but ye’ll no be interestit in hearin’ aboot that, shuir.
@Northcode – your earlier material was better, you could have written all that in like 3 sentences. I appreciate it’s a dreicht day but isn’t there a hobby you could take up?
“… isn’t there a hobby you could take up?”
YOU have become my hobby, AI Dan!
YOU and your fellow unionists!
YOU and your fellow colonialists!
YOU! YOU! YOU!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Oops!
I didn’t realise I was writing that out loud.
My apologies, I didn’t mean to come across as a megalomaniacal madman there.
I’m really not ALL that insane… honest!
You can trust my word on that… I’m not a unionist.
“you could have written all that in like 3 sentences.”
And where would have been the fun – fun for me, anyway – if I’d taken that approach?
I’m glad you are enjoying yourself Northcode. Are you getting on the beers tonight?
@Cynicus
‘Cos ah huvnae feenished yet!’
😀
Quite. Made me laugh (wryly).
@ Northcode a personal thanks from me Northy for keeping these colonial wankers busy responding to your bait to allow us REAL Scots to visit other blogs that are not infested with cringers and fuckwit colonialists
I remember Iain Lawson’s blog actively removed these fuckwit clowns as they were just time wasters and cringing arseholes
Ah, it’s that time of day I see. What’s the sommelier serving today in Chez Twat – the usual Eight Ace, or perhaps a nice lightly chilled bottle of Methylated Spirits BP in its brown paper bag (akin to the yellow/orange cellophane of a nice bottle of Crystal). Whatever it is, no doubt you’re on your sixth.
Mate. Being called a “fuckwit clown” by the likes of you is beyond parody. Take a look in the mirror, assuming you have access to one.
Nae bother, TH.
I don’t know about you, but I take my vintage, wan-day auld methyhyle (from the Greek meaning woodwine) decanted, slightly chilled mind, into my braw leather hand-crafted swiggin’ bladder and poured fae that intae my favourite plastic picnic tumbler ontae the frozen rocks… it’s just too strong for me straight.
I generally follow my Saturday efternoon pint of methyhyle with a few, £7 fir a litre bottle, goldie chasers alang wi a bag or twa o’ smokey bacon or, on special occasions, prawn cocktail crisps.
@Twat – would you mind naming the blogs?