Our Number One Fan
Posted on
November 05, 2020 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
Lavish expenses recipient Pete Wishart MP doesn’t want to talk about Wings.
So that’s probably the end of that.
Oh. Well, we’ll let you know if he ever stops.
Stu
Touche you have done him up like an Arbroath skipper.
I support Scottish Independence.
People like Pete Wishart are in my way.
*kipper
Not sure we should share this and give him the oxygen of publicity – after all he has blocked most of us.
I don’t get to see his twitter except here. He blocked me for asking him questions and urging SNP to take independence without an S30 based on last December and 2016 mandates
But I am just another YES cybernat. ???
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Stu’s got a number 1 fan.
That last quote is an absolute hoot! Love it. ?
Mmmmm… feel the Lurve….!
It’s like he just learned the word ‘demagogue’ and feels the need to use it as often as he can.
Lol at “demagogue”, repeatedly. ?
He loves the word Demagogue
Okay, own up… who used the word “demagogue” in front of the impressionable thick guy?
Jesus.
I’m blocked thank god. He’s a horror.
makes you wonder who the demagogue is.
Just read his first tweet again (at the top of Revs piece) – all evidence to the contrary – and inside 11 words.
what an absolute fucking moron he is.
Scotlands Independence is not in good hands.
Surely we can do better than this……
I don’t think Pete Wishart knows what a demagogue is.
I think he has the Hots ? ? for you ??
I’m sure he is big Elvis fan as he is Always on your mind ?
I have missed Pete the Pension’s take on things since he blocked me so thanks for that. Not that you read this Pete but never change stay small. Hold hold you know the rest.
What did he say?
A demagogue, in the strict signification of the word, is a ‘leader of the rabble’.
—?James Fenimore Cooper, “On Demagogues”
i`d take that.
shiregirl says: at 8:33 pm
“The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
Hmm, you could be richt, what with Pete being so nosey aboot whit’s goin’ on here and gossiping aboot it on twitter, I guess he’s Self IDing as Isa aff o’ Still Game these days.
Or he’s morphed into some kind of low grade bot stuck with limited vocab programming hence the demagogue repetition.
Does anyone know when The Strongbow Soaked AUOB Radical Cybernat Malcontent Demagogues new album is being released?
Dont you fret youself Stu – even though I’ve got a good enough vocabulary to almost always win at Scrabble, I don’t know what demagogue means, or the correct usage of the word. So his comments have done nothing to damage my opinion of you, you’re safe.
The utter crap that he tweets is almost commical.
He had a lackey, the midlothian MP who lost a 10,000 majority in 2017.
Another example of the careerist bench warmers who got their cosy lifestyles on the back of hard working pro indy voters and activists.
These parasites make me sick!
Perhaps an investigation of Midlothian snps elected official would be beneficial,
I’m not stating or accusing anyone, but IF there have been instances of personal gain by using their elected positions, then the public should perhaps get to know?
The spotlight is pointing at midlothian SNP now too.
TICK FUCKING TOCK Careerists!!!
Oh dear, Oh Dear!
MP Wishart is in danger of sounding like a Labour person in a huff another upstart politician has come and taken their thunder way from them.
Legitimate questions are being asked about SNP strategy, and MP Wishart is treating reasonable concerns as tho it is a heresy.
Sorry, Peter W. but the heresy seems to be coming from your lot who are doing next to nothing useful towards Independence.
And he wonders why many Independence supporters are not happy and demanding answers.
A bit of humility and acknowledgement of this on his part might help a bit.
Is he having a mental breakdown or is he just pure mental?
Remember Mhairi black??
What a fucking disappointment that turned out to be!!
If Pete returns to music after being binned at the next election
Do you think he might call the new album demagogue?
Does he have kids or pests that might be called demagogue?
I’m agog at how often he can use the same word.
Probably better if both parties take a sabbatical on SM, enjoy Fireworks, Xratedmas and a slow and painful death from the virus.
Obviously taken a leaf out of the Prat in the Hat’s book and started to learn some big words to make himself look intelligent.
Sorry Pete it disnae work, just look at how much he’s respected.
Keep making yourself look stupid? Just stop before you end up a complete laughing stock, our MPs are ridiculed enough in the London menagerie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0PwrYtNu3Y
Next time someone comments on where you live you can answer “Rent free in Pete’s head”
You can just feel the love!
WISHART, YOU COWARDLY, CRAVEN LITTLE SHIT – WE SEE YOU AND WE’RE ON TO YOU!*.
Am I the only person not to have blocked Wishart? Okay, I muted the tit, but I enjoy being anon where he’s concerned. I genuinely laughed out loud at the first screen capture, he’s just an earnest, so serious chookie.
On a more searingly ‘Fck-yew’ note; it must burst Wishart’s balls to see MacAskill, Neil and now McEleny contributing on this vile platform, oui? Fab! All those unparliamentary rants, against a blog, ffs, and then 3 SNP chappies blow his point right out of the water. Christ, the lost credibility. Lol.
The important question must be; what do MN&M think of ‘Westminster Pete’? You know, I doubt they think much of him at all, probably have less respect for Pete than they have for, say, Mr Speaker? Yep.
*Wishart, through gnashed teeth, prolly reads this demagogue’s bloggery, thought he’d love my strapline.
Dan says:
5 November, 2020 at 9:01 pm
“Does anyone know when The Strongbow Soaked AUOB Radical Cybernat Malcontent Demagogues new album is being released?”
Stuey and the Demagogues.
Catchy. Lol.
Hunts like him are the ones who have cost us our freedom.
Time to clean house and get rid of the gravy train!
You should ask him down to do a profile on him. Or save time and just look in the toilet before you flush.
Still no idea why he blocked me on Twitter. Suspect the yoons have their equivalent of a Wings block list.
OT
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Is the “demagogue hunter in chief ” having another hissy fit cause his parliamentary compliance don’t impress us much , and we prefer representatives not on their knees before Mr Speaker ?
What a cur…
Pete can’t seem to decide whether “no-one in the real world listens to demagogue bloggers” or they represent the biggest threat to Indy.
Oh that was funny, thanks Rev
He’s obsessed with not caring what you say, isn’t he?
Every so often I come across an RT of him tweeting one of his video clips, and he always says,
“ I think you’ll like this”
And sometimes I’ll click and see the narcissist on his hind legs spouting the usual sh!te with gravy spittle running down his chin.
He’s an erse.
And no, I never liked Runrig
It looks like SNP members are going to be forking out for more counselling.
Wishart is circling the drain.
Contempt, or hatred…
FFS – to think we were only 21 votes from being shot of this numpty in 2017.
Just to emphasise the quality of his political judgement, I remember a speech he gave (I’m afraid I was part of a captive audience) in which he confidently stated the LibDems were dead.
Two years later, Nick Clegg was Deputy Prime Minister. Nailed it again, Pete!!!
His want to be speaker of the house says all we need to know about Pete Wishart
I’m agog at his obsessive use of demagogue. Thankfully I’m blocked so I never witness his many meltdowns.
Didn’t Guido Fawkes comment some years ago that Wishart had the political nous of a 16-year old sociology student or something similar?
“What an absolutely vile creature ‘Wings over Scotland’ is (don’t look).” LOL.
Money can’t buy that kind of advertising.
Wishart has been attempting to use Wings as a straw man to divert attention away from his beloved leaders failings, he’s a disgrace to the independence movement.
If Wishart were a movie screen character, he’d be Kobayashi, played wonderfully by the late (Pete Postlethwaite). Always trying to blame someone else for his bosses (Keyser Söze) failings, in doing business with characters just as shady as he is.
I’m disappointed. He didn’t mention Runrig once.
Poor Pete. He thinks he has become important.
Out of step. Out of tune. Out of time.
You can bet I will never vote for him again. If anybody thinks the Indy movement is relying on dullards like Pete, then Lord help you.
On the subject of almost obsessive repetition, search his tweets for “pop up” 😉
What a great Speaker he would have made. Wouldn’t have stood for any demagoguery or vileness.
Are you paying the dumb cunt for all the free advertising, Stu?
Sir Peter disnae like it uppum dis he? He blocked me on twitter for asking him why he wanted to be WM speaker (I was polite honest)
In all fairness, the thought of Pete Wishart leaving this lavish lifestyle behind and going back to churning out third rate teuchter emo pop with Runrig, almost makes me want to reject independence, adorn a Union Jack and belt out GSTQ.
Chronological line lost me , but o take it you’ll be sat apart at the Christmas dinner table .
Aw, ff , we all are
What exactly has Pete Wjxhart contributed to Independence.? Serious question.
Apart I mean from trying to delay it?
What makes Wishart angry is that he has been found out.
So.. I thought you were supposed to be a vile cybernate… now your an online demagogue.
Not sure I can keep up.
Someone thinks you should give him the oxygen of publicity.
We could finish that sentence with the word oxygen and leave it there.
I will never vote for Pete Wishart again. EVER.
There is a way to stop this… Do a live 1 vs 1 : wishy vs wings…. He would never go for that though cos he just knows that pure shite runs out of his gob any time he opens it… BTW. He blocked me for asking a question, and I was being nice too!
This has got to be the most fun post for months. Evidence or in the light of the SNPs latest narrative an evidence based approach. How many supporting Wishart?
Scottish Ministerial Code
2.41
“Views given by the Law Officers in their Ministerial capacity, as opposed to legal advice provided by them in their capacity as legal advisers, are also not covered by the provision in paragraph 2.38.”
In other words, more deflection and muddying the waters today by Sturgeon in Holyrood.
The SNP seem to be trying to change the lives of everyone by making us all non-drinking, inoffensive people who would never utter an expletive, as it might offend someone, who gets offended on behalf of someone else? Said person, not even having read such. Getting really fed up with this. We hired the SNP to get us independence. We did not hire them to re-structure the country in their weird attempt at making us all think and act in ways acceptable to their Central Cabal of Minority Pressure Groups. Possibly known as the Leadership, for all I know. I do know when someone is pissing up my back, and telling me that it’s raining. I am definitely feeling a strange warmth on my back with the SNP in recent/current times.
How come he knows so much about your articles yet admits he would never reads what you have written ?
I think your getting under their skin Stu.
Hey yo all SNP members. If you fancy doing something positive why not nominate Craig Murray for SNP President?
Sheesh. Whit a balloon. Apart from anything else, I know that Runrig were all Scottish and misty and wild and Gaelic n’that, but I also thought they were pompous and samey. So there.
-Fraser Reid-
Great idea and I would add that it would be a real service if Wings invited Wishart- or, heck, Nicola Sturgeon herself- on to do a “right of reply”. I mean, if they refused, that would tell us all we needed to know…
@Hatuey
The will of the Parliament is missing. It has astonished me today this SNP HQ chaff that has been thrown up to divert. Including the friendly BBC interview with Wishart. And so it rolls on she has chosen a thousand cuts. So be it.
I’m sure somebody’ll already have said this, but I think you meant your ‘number one fanny’!
Garrion @ 10:35
Yes, me too. Donnie Munro was ok ‘tho. He taught Art at Tynecastle for a wee while and even after ge left and found relative fame, would stop and chat.
But yes. All a bit too what Billy Connolly would call bonnie morag, shortbread tins and roamin in the gloamin for me.
When people claim not to read something, it generally means that they do.
You can bet your bottom dollar that Pete Wishart reads this board.
@ shiregirl
BTW, have you seen Donnie Munros artwork? I think they’re very, VERY good and if I had money, I’d invest in his stuff.
Here’s what NEC hopeful Jeremy Fernandes thinks of SNP members if they dare to just read Wings. Make sure he’s not elected. This is his reply to Wishart’s tweet on Wings today.
“He and his readers are firmly on the far-right now – most of the sources in his articles are from far right propaganda ‘news’ sites.”
He is nothing more than a bellend and I can’t believe people voted for him.
Mist001 says:
5 November, 2020 at 10:46 pm
@ shiregirl
BTW, have you seen Donnie Munros artwork? I think they’re very, VERY good and if I had money, I’d invest in his stuff.
Yes, A very talented and down to earth guy. His art is something else. Wish I had a few of his paintings too!
OT Here’s more PWs and music.
Sound on for Pussy White groovin’ over ranting Paula White.
https://twitter.com/Timdoutre/status/1324299839140605953
Short bonus Pussy White footage diggin’ da heavy techno house beats at the Scotrail train wash.
https://twitter.com/ScotRail/status/1324326597378322432
I think Mr Wishart sees himself as Ahab and Wings as Moby Dick 🙂
I don’t have the pleasure of his company because he blocked me
holymacmoses @11:01
“I think Mr Wishart sees himself as Ahab…”
Pequod Pete.
Was it not Einstein who said” A life dedicated to fulfilling personal desires will Lways lead to bitter dissapointment”
Take need Mr Wishart. You are only successful because ordinary folk made you so. What we made we can unmake.
Pistol Packing Pete does love to use word demagogue. Stu, how does it feel to be said demagogue? Well at least you want independance and your not a botin unlike wishy washy.
O wad some Pow’r the giftie gie Pete,
To see himsel as ithers see Pete!
Anyway, the title should have been our no1 fanny.
“He knows nothing,but thinks he knows everything. That clearly point to a political career”
George Bernard Shaw. ( Major Barbera)
Weak Pishart of the SNP Westminster String Ensemble, under the baton of Principal Conductor Ian “Paper Tiger” Blackford, fiddling while Scotland burns.
In none of his hate filled tweets, does he ever point out where Wings got it wrong. Funny that.
Tannadice, it’s worrying. The Tories chose to grill her today on Covid preparation stuff instead of pressing on the legal advice.
It’s looking like the MSM and Tories are singing from the same hymn sheet and want to keep her in the job.
Apply that same logic to the issue of lying to Parliament. And why wouldn’t they?
She’s going to be leading the SNP into an election totally compromised and weakened, and that’s what they all want. Then they get to say the Scottish people have rejected independence.
It’s truly disgusting what she’s done and is doing. Shameless. The damage couldn’t be exaggerated.
SNP voters who support this are gullible fools and as compromised as she is.
I’d not even of heard of this Wishart bellend had it not been for reading this site.
Those tweets… wow.
What an incredible tit. Embarrassing for him.
shiregirl says: at 10:44 pm
Donnie Munro was ok ‘tho. He taught Art at Tynecastle for a wee while and even after ge left and found relative fame, would stop and chat..
Yeah.
Munro is, and has always been, a unionist, having stood (and lost) for Labour on 2 occasions. He’s used his celebrity to speak out against Scottish independence on numerous occasions, and prefers federalism to self-dignity. He’ll disparagingly describe pro-indy citizens as ‘separatist’, saying the Yes campaign would ‘tear us out from the stability of a historically successful union’.
What a clutz; him and Wishart would get on like a house on fire.
Okay, I concede, Munro was elected as Rector of the University of Edinburgh, (preceded by Muriel Gray*) so he must be capable – and most probably a fine artist.
*Gray: Glasgow School of Art – what a clutz she is? I bet she and Munro got on like a house on fire .. eh, uh..
Pete W: Minimal to no self-awareness, a common enough trait amongst troughers; an absolute necessity when you think about it, I suppose.
@Hatuey
I will be very surprised if she leads the SNP into a Holyrood election in May. True the opposition during FMQs were benign. But they hammered the SNP the day before. On the basis of letting Sturgeon think about the situation. True to form she wants to see it out. A thousand cuts. Let’s see who is standing by the end. Next up..Don’t let anybody say she wasn’t given and out.
Quite glad I don’t live in Perth. To think I would have possibly have had to vote for Wishat would have made me ill.
He was close to getting voted out and pulled a fast one – had the begging bowl out for votes.
When he was running for speaker of a WM that should have been the warning to folks.
When people show you who they are the first time- believe them.
Never a truer word said ever!
Oh and o/t
Trump just went to his lowest point on air in front of the world.
I think the Gop need to remove home now b4 the men in white coats come for him first.His mental kids are no better.
He’s fecking MAD that wan
He blocked me as I challenged his assertion about nasty Yessers! When I pointed out I normally wander around Loch lomondside distributing leaflets for the SNP candidates at election time, he became irate. I complained to the SNP and NEC about his behaviour towards a member. No reply. I am now no longer a member. Something has to be done about this chap at internal disciplinary level.
Trump’s latest press conference was actually disturbing. However fucked we may be, the American people are really in for a rough ride in the next few weeks.
It feels like we are watching a country entering into a complete meltdown. It’s hard to see an alternative to something resembling a civil war there.
This year has been absolutely mental.
As if life isn’t hard enough without these right-wing Trumpy Brexity racist bastards making it worse.
Seems a long time ago now, but in the aftermath of Sept 2014 – there was a meeting called. PW was the main speaker. In Scone.
From memory – his words.
‘Scotland has changed, and changed forever’
‘We have Social Media blogs ‘like Wings Over Scotland’
‘We are in real danger of being lead by Boris Johnstone, pulled out of Brexit against our will, and with Donald Trump as POTUS’.
I don’t know about any one else, but I still think those things worth fighting… and Indy the only defence.
Pete Wishart is no longer an Indy Supporter.
Actions speak louder than words.
I submitted the below, to the Rev as a possible soapbox entry. It did not make the cut. Which is fair enough.
But I’ll put it here for some thoughts (it has not been updated recently (i.e. last 2 months).
COULD’VE, WOULD’VE, SHOULD’VE
by
Daisy Walker
Updated 15/10/20
They say the most effective way to lie, is by omission – a method well recognised by those in the Scottish Independence Movement who have viewed the Main Stream Media initially in disbelief, then rage and disgust, as their blatant bias goes beyond the pale, day on day. Lead head and shoulder in this by the BBC.
They also say, that actions speak louder than words.
We stand at a critical moment in the Yes Movement. A No Deal Brexit – which would seem to have always been the desired destination for the establishment Billionaires backing it and looking to save their personal tax havens – is ever closer to happening, and the EU’s box of transition periods appears bare and used up now.
As we near the finishing post, we can pause for a moment and use some hindsight. No one could argue that the British Establishment (and this is not the politicians) have failed to plan ahead, or that their plan lacks courage.
In the near disaster (from their point of view) of Indy Ref 1, they almost lost the UK cash cow that is Scotland.
In the GE of 2015 they completely lost MP majority in Scotland. And most importantly the SNP MP’s elected did so on a mandate to hold a second Independence Referendum in the face of ‘material change, such as Scotland being taken out of the EU against its will’.
(In the aftermath of that loss, Robin MacAlpine made a very important, and constructive point. He argued, you do not win a referendum during the campaign. A great deal of that ground HAS GOT TO BE COVERED in the years before. I would add that this is particularly true in the face of an overwhelmingly biased media.)
And yet 21 months after IndRef1, the British/English Nationalists risk losing Scotland all over again, on the Brexit vote. Polls consistently showed Scotland was going to vote to remain, and England was 50/50. But they went ahead anyway.
And as a No Deal approaches, Scotland will lose:
Jobs and businesses
The European Court of Judiciary
European Human Rights – working time directive improved your working environment?- forget it, Gone. Paid Paternity/maternity Leave – forget it, Gone.
Food and water standards, animal husbandry standards, Genetically Modified Food ban, Crop Pesticide safety standards – going, going, GONE.
Scottish Water – Gone
Renewable Energy circular investment – Gone (to England, along with all the jobs it creates, the energy it generates and the gas and the oil along with it)
Ban on Fracking – Gone
Protected status of the £5.9 billion per annum Scottish Whisky Industry – Gone
Scottish National Health Service – GONE – remember those times when we ‘locked down for Covid, in order to ‘flatten the curve’ and save the NHS. Laugh or you will cry, and as everyone knows – laughter is the best medicine.
Equality laws – Gone
Scottish Farms – most of whom rely on EU grants to give them a livelihood that averages at £37,000 a year – Gone
Scottish Fishing – Gone
A Devolved Scottish Parliament – GONE
And the list goes on and on.
Brexit is coming, its coming within months now. Our only chance of saving Scotland’s Parliament and keeping any chance of Independence alive is via the Holyrood Elections, and an SNP policy of Yet Another Mandate to ‘ask nicely’ is just not going to cut it.
It takes a minimum of 9 months to hold a Referendum. It also takes a determination to hold one in the first place.
The Holyrood Elections are set for May 2021. There is no time for a Referendum now.
Below is a rough timeline of events – since 2014. Have a look at it, and with the benefit of hindsight, ask yourself, how many times were there opportunities, perhaps even a duty, for the SNP to act, even if only in terms of campaigning.
The silence is deafening.
COULD’VE, WOULD’VE, SHOULD’VE.
They say the best method of lying is by omission. They say actions speak louder than words.
In 2014 we had a country to Win.
In 2020 we have a country to Save, and we’d better be getting on with it.
Timeline – updated 13/10/20.
2014
18/9/14 Indy Ref 1
Nov 2014 Nicola Sturgeon made leader of SNP and FM of Scotland
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7th May 2015 UK GE – SNP win 56 seats
1st July 2015 Leslie Evans becomes Permanent Secretary Scotland
Sept 2015 The Sunday Times prints a story about MP – Michelle Thompson – intimating dodgy property transactions against her.
Michelle is ‘persuaded’ to resign the SNP whip.
Dec 2015 WM votes to illegally bomb Syria. 57 out of 59 Scottish MPs vote against.
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2016
5th May 2016 – Holyrood Election
23rd June 2016 Brexit Referendum
Herald 17th December 2016:
“NICOLA Sturgeon’s top aide became involved in a story about
MP Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh being chased by the taxman,
according to a leaked email.
Liz Lloyd, the Chief of Staff to the First Minister, used
her government account to email the SNP press office at
Westminster within hours of the story breaking in two
tabloid newspapers.”
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2017
16th March 2017 Terrible May officially rejects NS IR2 request. ‘Now is not the Time.’
4th May 2017 – Scottish Local Elections
8th June 2017 – Terrible May calls a GE and wins.
AS loses his seat.
NS takes IndyRef2 off the table. Now is not the time.
A marked difference in her attitude is seen.
‘Not until the Terms of Brexit are Known becomes the mantra.
13th June 2017 ? Not sure if this is correct date?- Ref-Scot taken down at £482,000 of £1 million target – no accounts published for same – which is a contravention of EC rules, and extremely bad practice.
The Brexit deadline time line is I think November 2018 ish.
Both Pete Wishart and Tommy Shepherd (Tommy did this in a public talk, as far as I can tell he was the first person to run this up the flagpole, since then he has kept his head down on this subject – his background is old/new labour) start to talk about ‘not until after Brexit and the hard effects are felt, should we go for IndyRef2’. PW is fully supported in this view by John Swinney.
July 2017 (source Civil Service World) HM Revenue and Customs confirm the go ahead on a new Civil Service Hub to be build at Waverly St, Edinburgh to staff 11 Civil Servant departments – 3,000 positions. 20 year lease taken out. Artisan the contractor.
Aug 2017 Police Scotland drop / close the enquiry into Michelle Thompson MP (she lost her seat in the GE earlier).
Oct 2017 ScotGov begins review of complaints policy. Aamer Anwar makes allegations of ‘ticking time bomb’ ‘catalogue’ of sexual harassment at HR.
31 October 2017 Daily Record / David Clegg receive a tip off from Scot Gov regarding sexual offences allegedly committed by AS. David Clegg is known associate of Liz Lloyd – close member of NS staff.
November 2017
9th November 2017 AS gets his own TV Show on RT. While the Yes movement is delighted at an evening up on the media inequality… the official SNP and NS – pursed lips all round.
17th Nov 2017 – Sky New reported to be actively investigating AS over historic incidents from 2008.
First Documentary ‘The Only Game In Town’ is aired on WOS.
Nov 2017 – Evans confirmed she raised the issue with Sturgeon after learning about media interest in an incident at Edinburgh Airport in 2008-9. Airport informed Angus Robertson (can’t pin down when).
8 Drafts of complaints procedures (for dealing with current and previous employees with regards harassment complaints) – all of which have official role for First Minister with the procedures
1st Dec 2017 Nicole Richards – Director of People – contacts James Hynd re draft number 9, its, ‘agreed with Permanent Secretary I would test it with some of the key individuals’
5th Dec 2017 Judith Mackinnon – Head of Peoples Advisor has meeting with Ms A and shared draft procedures with her.
6th December 2017 Nicole Richards sends ‘final draft (9) to PS Leslie Evans which is approved by NS. This draft, unlike the previous 8 excludes the First Minister from any formal role in the process.
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Jan 2018
Sky News approaches the SNP re allegations of a sexual nature against AS. This may be the first complaint registered with Scot Gov against AS, or indeed the first complaint by employee may have been registered at this time, its not clear.
Feb 2018 Murray Foote Resigns from DR
March 2018
Liz Lloyd meeting Aberdein 6th March 2018
She claimed the complaints she mentioned to Aberdein re Salmond were to do with Airportgate
Not the backdated Government enquiry about which she claimed she did not know at the time.
https://archive.is/CGDZF
Mid March Geoff Aberdein is contacted by NS aids to set up a meeting with her on 29th March – this is not mentioned in any way, or officially recorded (as far as we yet know) in NS evidence to the inquiry.
GA can corroborate this contact, and has provided this information under oath at AS criminal trial.
29th March 2018
NS meets with Aberdein (who is according to NS, in parliament to see former colleague) and is informed of AS issue – according to her for the first time. Meeting takes place at Holyrood, in her office – and she later ‘forgets’ the timing of this meeting possibly due to not being supposed to hold party meetings in this venue.
Meeting and all those present is NOT officially recored in the FM’s diary.
(At FMQ on 8/10/20 she refers to it (not exact wording) as an off the cuff type meeting, fleeting/head round the door.
In contrast to GA who describes it clearly under oath as pre-arranged, and has since stated it lead to him seeking legal advice prior to attending.)
She lied to Scottish Parliament about when she was first made aware of the complaints.
April 2018
2/4/18 NS thinks AS will resign (from her whats app messages/evidence)
Rumours abound within Yes Movement at this time that NS is soon to step down from Holyrood, and possibly go on to a big job at UN.
Legal appeal against Brexit begins.
22/4/18 AS sends NS message
May 2018 Brexit – attitudes to Indy due to Brexit, ways of gaining Indy all still being talked about.
31/5/18 AS sends message to NS requesting a meet.
June 2018
3/6/18 AS threatens legal action. Asks for Permanent Secretary to be notified re sorting the matter out by legal arbitration procedures. Alerts NS that her current procedures are likely to be found unlawful and as a qualified lawyer and FM she is expected to review it and made a decision.
6/6/18 PS notified by NS
7/6/18 NS meets AS alone
SNP high in Polls
13/6/18 SNP walk out of WM in protest at treatment of the Skye Banker and what was to become the UK Internal Market Bill. Marked overnight increase in SNP membership, international media coverage of same.
Same Date Iain McWhirter writes about Devolution ending not with a bang but a whimper over this bill.
23/6/19 MSP Mark Macdonald Scandal***
July 2018
4th July 2018 – Scotland Claim of Right passed at WM
5th July NS has meeting with AS
18/7/18 No further contact after this date
Wings over Scotland has its You Tube BBC content taken down without its knowledge by BBC in London.*** Why? What footage did they want removed and why? Peter Curran’s web site also taken down. *** As far as can be seen there was nothing in the WOS footage that might have had any reference to the above. With regards Peter Curran’s website footage – unable to check. He took his site down later, concerned about criticism of the SNP GRA policy.
August 2018
17th August WOS appears in court re Kezia Dugdale
19th August Campaign in Edinburgh by many English people campaigning for Peoples Vote on Brexit and begging Scotland to assist. Apparently they don’t think the Brexit Referendum was won fairly – when IndyRef1 unfairness pointed out to them – tumbleweed.
Kirsty Hughes – lobbyist for same – also showed up on list of ‘journalists’ who have received same ‘support’ from some Anglo/America consortium. Dani Garavelli was also on the list. Later on DG reports on the AS trial could be construed as ‘jigsaw identifying one of the complainers in AS trial’ (For obvious reasons I’m being diplomatic with this sentence.)
UK Brexit Appeal lodged
Allegations against AS made public. Civil law complaints, 2 complainers at this time.
AS initiates Record Breaking fund raiser and instigates Judicial Appeal. Rumours abound that SNP membership increased dramatically overnight in response – no confirmation from SNP re this in anyway.
30th August 2018 Permanent Secretary Leslie Evans meets with Civil Servant Unions to attempt to gain support against AS.
Sept 2018 Polling shows support of Indy increasing due to brexit
Oct 2018 AUOB march – Edinburgh big turnout – no show from NS as usual
Nov 2018 Brexit deadline reached – Transition period entered. No talk from NS or other top SNP members as to how we save Scotland. Not until the Terms of Brexit are Known is the mantra, and the sound of the can rattles down the road again.
Dec 2018
19th Vote of No Confidence in Terrible May at WM. Boris elected. Actions by the Labour party ensure Brexit No deal is the only game in town.
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January 2019
AS Airbrushed out of SNP Website. NS has ordered top SNP politicians not to appear on his RT Show. AS puts pressure on her on his show, to call a second IR.
During this month or the next NS manages to recollect she had that meeting with Aberdein on 29th March 2018. Does nothing to update the official record of same, at this time.
8/1/19 AS wins Court of Judiciary process – procedure deemed unfair and tainted by apparent bias.
The Times calls for Leslie Evans to be sacked.
20/1/19 LE contract of employment extended (possibly with 20,000 £ pay rise)
From memory – it was within weeks of AS initial win that Criminal Procedures were taken out against him. Over 20 Police officers allocated to investigate him, to come up with a prosecution case that can best be described as flimsy in the extreme.
January 2019
Feb 2019 Brexit, nothing resembling a plan from the SNP
March 2019 Another Brexit Deadline comes and goes, no real progress, transition extended.
13th March 2019 Iain Blackford – ‘Scotland will not be taken out of the EU against her will’ speech at WM
23/3/19 Kezia Dugdale v WOS defamation trial – marked lack of support from leaders of the SNP for WOS.
23 March 2019 – 1 Million People march in London against Brexit. NS attends as a speaker and is photographed in friendly hug with Alastair Campbell – former SPAD to Tony Blair.
April 2019
24/4/19 NS puts before Holyrood legislation for HR to hold referendums without permission from WM. This will be legally challenged by WM if it ever gets put into action.
May 2019
6th May AUOB march in Glasgow 100,000 NS does not attend – as usual.
End May GE called for December
June 2019 GE talk
14th June 2019 – New Civil Service Hub at Edinburgh – Queen Elizabeth House, officially opens. To house 3000 civil servant staff. Widely thought to be preparation to take over duties from Holyrood, once power grab and Brexit are complete.
To put this in perspective 1 year from announcement of 20 year lease, to building being ready for move in. All with public money at a time of Austerity!!!
July 2019
4th July Mhairi Black posts video of herself referring to all who have reservations about GRA Self ID as ‘Jeremy Hunts’. It is around about this time she is seen in HOC’s putting her hand in her pocket and then taking her hand out rubbing her finger round her gums. Concerns were raised that this is classic Cocaine misuse behaviour – she laughed this off dismissively and stated she was finishing off a piece of Kit Kat.
30th July 2019 NEC attempts to de-select Joanna Cherry as MP.
August 2019
Westminster Brexit Coup
Polling shows Support for IndyRef2 growing
Sept 2019
WM unlawfully prorogued – as found by court after action by MP Joanna Cherry
SNP policy now officially ‘Stop Brexit’ Full support for Peoples Vote on a second Brexit Vote
20/9/19 The Times reports on allegations NS is failing to keep proper records of her Government business, specifically referring to June 2019.
Oct 2019
SNP at WM prevent a Vote of No Confidence in Boris.
Tories High in polls (UK)
16th Oct 2019 – NS to DEMAND powers for Holyrood to hold Referendums. Pretty much empty rhetoric to play to the home crowd. Presumably she’ll thqeem and thqeeum and thqeem if Boris says no.
SNP policy is now openly calling for second Brexit ‘peoples vote’ on Brexit.
Electoral Commission demand 9 months notice for any further Indy Ref.. Indy Ref 2 now pencilled in for second half of 2020. ‘Trust in Nicola’ becomes the theme.
Nov 2019 Only Game in Town part 2 is shown on WoS. Leslie Evans is named within for questionable actions.
The Times reports NS handwritten notes have not been kept and have been destroyed, NS avoids using her Scot Gov e-mail system, Conservatives report her to Public Records Scotland Act 2011 for possible breach.
Dec 2019
Wings over Scotland Twitter account suspended weeks, just weeks before AS trial is due to go ahead, following complaints from woke members of SNP. And just in time for the GE.
GE Neale Harvey and Denise Findlay suspended from SNP over dubious, if not spurious complaints, and with little regard for proper procedures for carrying out same.
SNP withdraws all funding for Neil’s GE campaign and instructs SNP supporters not to assist him. He gets elected anyway.
Motive thought to have been for having signed the Woman’s Pledge, and complaints thought to have been instigated by Woke element within SNP.
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Jan 2020
11/1/20 Boris says No, with the full support of the English voting constituency.
31/1/20 Brexit officially happens – NS gives much hyped speech during which it becomes apparent there was no Plan A, never mind a cunning plan B. ‘Trust in Nicola’ not such a good theme.
Feb 2020
Thursday 20th Feb 2020 MP =Mharie Black takes ‘Flowjob’ to Glencoats Primary School – with predictable bad publicity.
Covid getting closer. GRA under ‘consultation’ open to every country under the sun to contribute. Somerville openly declares her determination to push it through. Only organisations openly biased in favour are getting ministerial time to present their case.
Polls show agenda to be major vote loser.
Murray Foote infamous creator of the VOW, converts from No to Yes and is employed by SNP as media expert.
March 2020
23/3/20 AS trail – Cleared on all charges. Journalists with pro indy credentials excluded from the trial and subsequently charged with contempt of court for quoting main stream media reports verbatim.
Craig Murray the only journalist (as far as I’m aware) to record and publish, in any detail, the evidential statements given by defence witnesses. A trial in search of a crime, best description of it.
No comments of support, or compassion or relief of any kind toward AS and his wife, over whole debauchle from official SNP reps.
Covid Lockdown begins. Daily TV briefings by NS.
Boris is a complete wreck. His cabinet are not any better.
NS holds daily press conferences and receives good press for same. Support for Indy rises to 55%. No other campaigning. The official line from NS is two fold,
I’m totally focused on Covid, and
Indref 2 is off the table until the economic effects of Covid are dealt with – which could be a decade or more… The can is not so much kicked down the road as rocket launched into the stratosphere.
Aug/Sept 2020 Kirsty Wark does a hatchet job on the AS trial, so biased even journalists on the Telegraph noticed. Widely referred to as ‘a nasty piece of Wark’.
30th September 2020 – UK Internal Market Bill passes first reading at WM. Second reading scheduled for 19th Oct 2020.
NS unable to delegate to her Health ministers for ANY single press briefings even months down the line.
October 2020 – final transition period for Brexit deadline November – now approaching and No Deal the only thing on the cards.
Committee Hearing with regards Scot Gov’s handling of AS legal actions – which cost the tax payer at least 1/2 million pounds continues. Evidence starts to come out (in spite of Scot Gov/SNP full ‘transparency’). WhatsApp messages from Peter Murrell (Husband of NS) extremely damning, encouraging complaints to Police about AS in order that he ‘firefights on as many fronts as possible’.
Senior members of SNP have repeatedly asked to see accounts (now 10 months late) re the ring fenced IndyRef2 fund raised. Rumours / concerns the money has been used elsewhere for other purposes.
Real concern within Yes Movement that at the very least current NS tactics are inadequate, and at most, she has been nobbled by the Brit Nat establishment. As this negative publicity, along with calls for a plebiscite Holyrood Indy election grow, flurry of Polls get published showing support for Indy at 58% and NS approval ratings through the roof.
Rumours persisting of a second full Covid lockdown being imminent. Anecdotal evidence of significant less public support for same.
Internal UK Market Bill passed at WM an open destruction of devolution and power grab. 3000 civil servants moved into Edinburgh to enable same. SNP official policy – `now is not the time’ ‘Only when we can win’ Covid, covid, covid, look at the polls, look at the polls, look at the polls.
Tannadice; “I will be very surprised if she leads the SNP into a Holyrood election in May.”
Last week I would have agreed 100%. And, of course, we must all hope she goes if we want a chance at winning Independence.
As usual when it comes to Sturgeon, I’m left hoping I’m wrong. That’s five years I’ve been doing that, hoping to fuck I’m wrong.
Daisy, in reference to GRA, can you point me to polls that show it to be a “major vote loser”.
I think you should go to the polis Stu this guy pishart is obviously STALKING YOU
Does his mental rants come under the HCB could we maybe complain to Humza Useless that this infatuation with Stuart Campbell and his WORSHIPING HORDES is actually a concerted effort by pishart to INCITE violence against a venerated journalist whose unforgivable crime is to support independence and EXPOSE corruption in politics
@ Daisy thanks for that thread Daisy it puts into context how we have been shafted by obvious FALSE independence supporters
POOR Scots we’re conned again
If nobody listens to you, how are you such a threat???
One wee thing Ive felt, and I know the answer before I stupidly ask, but Rev, you could be just a tad more civil now & again. Just a tad. Hammer time?
I understand why some folk will not like this. I didn’t until I actually realised I enjoy target shooting.
SG did a consultation on whether to license air guns. 85% of responses were against the idea, all ignored. It now costs money to have an airgun BUT only in Scotland.
The politically correct mindset which Wishart et all adhere to is simply not correct as their preference is to ignore people.
Well Well , the Snp’s plan A for a referendum can be forgotten about according to Alister “ UNION “ Jack
“ Scottish Secretary Alister Jack has said the UK government intends to refuse another independence referendum “for a generation” .
In a BBC interview, Mr Jack suggested a generation could be “25 or 40 years”.
And Rev Stuart’s Number 1 fan has his say in the article ,
“ SNP MP Pete Wishart said UK ministers would be “taking on democracy” if they refused demands from MSPs for Indyref 2 “ .
https://archive.vn/bMOpu
Maybe It’s time for the Snp Mps and Msps to be “ taking on democracy “ and listen to the Snp members and the much wider YES movement if they continue to refuse demands for Indyref 2 .
It’s definitely time for Plan B .
Stuella de Vile? Seems like you’re scaring somebody at least.
Just heard this bizarre comment by Jack the Scottish asset stripper!
Don’t need yet another Tory Toff Millionaire telling me the new meaning
Of what democracy in a sovereign state means.
Nowhere has the Scots or its parliament endorsed a throw away comment
about a referendum perhaps being a once in a generation opportunity.
If a politician must force an entire nation to agree to every comment I’d be
Happy to help Bojo to find that ditch he promised to be found in.
Let’s look again at every promise all English party leaders made in their Vow.
Every single pledge broken, some the next day.
I’m ready for the barricades. I’m not having it. I need a party to join and fight
along side me to rid our country of these corrupt fascists.
Whishy Washy Pete’s mumbling answer to his new pals wont do!
Enough!
Ayrshire Rob
Perthshire tends to be Tory/SNP – that’s your choice really, so if you don’t want the Tories in, you vote for whatever shit SNP MP you are presented with.
Perthshire – outside Perth and towns, is still stuck in the feudal era, of ‘rich’ landowners and the tenants. Not quite, but it has an unusual history of lots of little estates of self-styled Lairds, who still hold sway, and they often act as the social landlords. And of course they are all under the purview of the Duke of Atholl, who has always been the biggest unionist supporter in the past. Perth, of course, was a seat of power in the past, and I’d say Perthshire was the central area of power for the elite turning Scotland over to the English – and I suggest it has always been 50-50 between unionist and independents under an uneasy truce for the most part. Things might have ‘happened’ in Edinburgh, but the powers behind it resided in Perthshire.
Without land reform Perthshire will always be a very unequal society – there can be no progress while they are under the yoke of the estates (and there are hundreds in Perthshire – to be fair, there are some estates that are run well, but mainly it’s just rich big houses with hunting-shooting-fishing for their holidays from their big financial job in London, or absentee). Different parts of Scotland really are different – Dundee is the closest industrial centre, and that definitely has a different attitude. Perthshire didn’t have an industrial revolution, and is still somewhat stuck in an older era.
I’d say Wishart was probably the best you can expect coming out of Perthshire, the ‘tartan tory’ style of old, and it likely would not be a problem if there was decent leadership and he was told to wind his neck in instead of given free rein to spout his westminster-love-in pish.
London lockdown protest sees 100 people arrested for not socially distancing.
So the police make close contact with them, pile them into packed vans and
put them in prison with other prisoners?
“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command” George Orwell
He has a point. When was the last time you posted anything regarding the English Government? In spite of the avalanche of material available.
@ Daisy Walker says:
Daisy there are some major pieces missing from your timeline concerning November 2017.
During the course of November 2017, John Somers, Sturgeon’s Private Secretary, had two meetings with one of the AS complainants.
During at least one of these meetings at least one other person was there. This may well have been Liz Lloyd. We are due to find that out today.
On 29 Nov 2017 Leslie Evans had a meeting with “Director of People” (aka “lucrative non-job for lucky quangocrat”) Nicky Richards. By this point Richards was aware of both AS complaints.
Then on 29 Nov 2017 Leslie Evans had a meeting with Sturgeon.
So at this point Evans and Somers, and probably Lloyd too, all knew about the complaints. At this point, under both the existing procedure and the new one as it then was, Sturgeon had both a right to know about the matter, and a duty to know as she was responsible for taking charge of the investigation.
And yet we are supposed to believe that not one of these people said a word to Sturgeon about the matter, even though she had a right to know and a duty to know, and none of these people had a single legitimate reason for not telling her.
We’re getting under their skin because they know in their bones that we’re right. They know their party is in internal trouble as we point out. They know GRA etc are dangerous distractions. They can see what the Salmond Inquiry is doing. They know he’s biding his time.
It’s just that they are so used to keeping it in the party and sorting it in the party that the public nature of all this has unnerved them. Comfy Pete is flailing about wailing for the good old days of internal squabbles to come back.
Sorry Pete, ain’t happening. For a start the ISP is here now and faults in the SNP are part of our founding DNA. We will be critical friends. Our criticisms will be, largely, meant to be constructive. But we have no illusions about their reception. They will be for public consumption.
Prepare to be uncomfortable Pete.
And with a rigged National Conference scheduled whereby motions from individuals and branches are being ditched in favour of motions prepared by the National Secretary Keith Brown announces a governance review.
Opportunity for real change or a distraction from the utter dissent now extant throughout the membership?
One thing for sure. When motions to Care intercepted by a coterie of Conference, the supreme policy making body, you know governance is more than wrong. Democracy is gone to be replaced by fascism.
Hmmm by playground rules, I think he secretly fancies you. Why else would you be living in his brain all the time?
Dave says:
6 November, 2020 at 8:10 am
Where do you propose that people who want facts and the truth about our own shitebags and liars should go?
If you can’t cope with it, then why don’t you fuck off and set up your own blog and then post all the stuff you want about the English government? Nobody has nailed you to a chair with your eyelids stapled open so you have to come here and read this one.
@David F
“Where do you propose that people who want facts and the truth about our own shitebags and liars should go?”
Well I recommend they dont come here because they clearly wont get it.
Im not the one who isnt coping with the truth that would be you.
A so called pro Indy blog is cooperating fully with an stitch up enquiry set up by the Pro union parties in Scotland not to get to any truth but to manufacture a smear campaign linking the Scottish Government to the actions of the Civil Service. A Civil Service RESERVED to Westminster.
And all because of ongoing feud between Feminists and the gender confused.
Spare me the howling levels of reality denial that comes with the cultish dedication you only get with emotive agendas.
Well, if all this rotten conspiracy business does close the lid on Sturgeon’s dismal goal-drought captaincy, and I hope it does, I think various positions for a lot of people become untenable.
Probably starting with James Wolffe, Lord Advocate, then Sturgeon and her invasion of Wokerati Bodysnatchers, and you’d probably fill a minibus, maybe two, with compromised civil servants and lawyers.
I’m pretty sure somewhere in all of that, there’s a seat on the bus can be found for Pete Wishart too.
I hope Sturgeon now clings on to the bitter end, so that it’s the testimony of Alex Salmond which becomes her political epitaph.
Then we really do have a race on our hands, and I hope with all my spirit, body, and soul it’s a race to the UN International Court of Human Rights, with a courtesy call to Council of Europe in passing.
But let us hope we have learned a very valuable lesson; being so desperate to see Scottish Independence makes us vulnerable to exploitation, we have a blindspot for charlatans of a YES persuasion, and maybe we’re not as rigourous as we should be when examining the credentials of those we choose to lead us.
Delusional Dave is back.
Has Pension Pete been coached by Alistair Darling?
He was the last politician to use “vile” in almost every post.
Maybe Pete wants an ermine coat?
His posts reek of entitlement and hubris.(There’s another good word for you to use Pete!)
@CynicalHighlander
Only from the perspective of reality avoiding cult members.
For those who may have missed recent instalments of The Dangerfield Files:
https://gordondangerfield.com/2020/11/02/fuggedaboutit/#comments
When, oh when will the big ‘reveal’ be? When will she step down?
Robin McAlpine:
https://sourcenews.scot/robin-mcalpine-the-big-idea-from-ordinary-people-that-could-save-scottish-democracy/
The only state benefiting from the current state of the planet is China. More Chinese made product in the shops, if that were possible, and more countries unable to provide even basic manufactured goods. A dependency with all the signs of colonialism.
The SG can be as socially radical as it chooses, within its small pond, but were Scotland independent its leaders would be faced with the grim reality that independence in the current context stands for very little.
Most small to middle ranking states, that includes the UKGB&NI, are just corks bobbing in a fast flowing globalist river whose flow-rate is currently controlled from Beijing.
Worldwide the political class and the politics its generates is busted, hence the WEF inspired propaganda of Great Reset, effectively usurping autonomy from nation states and their citizens in the name of a wider ‘common good.’
In Scotland’s case it is evident we do require new thinking in fact a ‘radical reset’, not of the WEF type, but a reset based on the principles of human freedom and autonomy, individual and collective responsibility and the sovereign choice to question and exercise well informed dissent.
@Ottomanboi
Not the Ol World socialist program again. Lets join hands with our English Socialist neighbours in a new “Federal” style Union of equals? Was that the point you were trying to make?
Pete Wishart is terrified of having his gravy train ticket taken away at the next UK general election.
If anyone is a barometer of the SNP’s determination at Westminster, to maintain the status quo, it’s him.
Assume for a moment, Scotland became independent in say 2022. Wishart’s talking shop job, gravy train expenses, lucrative salary & disproportionate pension contributions all stop.
And where exactly would this long term bench warmer go to receive anything close to this level of income, especially when their talents are limited to bygone era, keyboard melodies?
Holyrood? Possibly, but since Scotland would already be independent, there’s just no justification for this careerist to stand for office.
To people like Wishart (and there are many of them inside the SNP), Scottish independence is a career killer.
Pete Wishart, barrelling unimpeded down the six-lane expressway to destination Independence, and as he flashes past vile demagogue cul-de-sac casts a quick glance over to sneer at its unreformed inhabitants, who aren’t worth a second look or mention.
Comes to a halt, and reverses.
:waves: hi, Pete!
@G H Graham
Except he could have achieved a bench warming career by joining any of the bench warming career parties instead he joined a party dedicated to end the bench warming in London for ALL Scottish seats.
He isnt going to be able to do that until the people of Scotland are ready to vote to end it though. So instead of making up false grievances why not concentrate your efforts on persuading the actual people who need to be persuaded. The UNDECIDED VOTER because right now they and they alone are who stand between us and Independence.
“I’m your number one fan!”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mGGwDmCTha8
Ottomanboi says:
6 November, 2020 at 9:08 am
I wouldn’t worry too much about this. China is perfectly happy to do business with small states as partners. They have recently concluded trade agreements with Iceland, New Zealand and The Maldives. (If it’s not The Maldives it’s something similar)
I rather like Wishy-Washy’s “ever-vile”, though. Must ty to work it into my conversations over the next few days to impress the family or start a Gormenghast-style Gothic novel with a character of that name, e.g. “Evervile padded noiselessly through the twisting subterranean corridors of Castle Grue, listening eagerly as always for the first, faint tormented screams of the night as he approached The Chamber of Ogmios”.
The Dunkeld Incident on 31/1/20 (the same day as Nicola’s White Flag speech), where he quaffed champers with the Perthshire landowners, was a new low for him but I’m sure he can go even lower.
He really is an utter waste of space but he’ll never know that because he never looks at Wings 😉 .
Wheat Pishart
Loves his Westminster Gravy that one.
I tend, courtesy of several decades at the coal face of sports reporting and writing, to look at politics as sport without readily-identifiable team kits.
The SNP are if you like, the strongest team in the Championship. They would probably do well in the Premiership, be a mid-table hard-to-beat team, but, they don’t meet the criteria for membership; and the Premiership countries are not in a hurry to admit them.
They have no real challengers in the Championship, where they have the strongest squad, and, in any case, their main opposition are reserve teams from Premiership sides. So, they are not really being challenged.
But, if they do get into the top league, the likelikhood is, that some of their top players will be found wanting. There is also the possibility of one or two of their star players being lured away to another Premiership side.
So, there is no real incentive for the guys running the club to push too-hard for promotion to the top league. They are doing nicely thank you where they are.
When they do get Scotland pormoted to the top league of independent nations, I fear the SNP will do a Gretna and fall apart, with a few nice wee well-paying sinecures vanishing.
It looks like “Ignoring” Wings is a full time job – when does he get the time to fill out the expenses forms!
@Socrates MacSporran
That was so self unaware you probably didnt realise that you asserted English politicians are better and more superior than their Scottish counterparts. Or maybe you did.
Its hard to tell are you pretending to be pro union or Pro Indy?
Off topic but Georgia has just swung to Biden.
@Dave,
I would suggest it’s rather more than the undecided voter who stands between us and Independence. We also have an SNP party who refuse to give voters a choice whether undecided or otherwise.
Dave says:
6 November, 2020 at 10:15 am
@Socrates MacSporran
That was so self unaware….
Dave obviously doesn’t do irony.
@Bob Mack
The “Chance” you allude to is to give the undecided a chance to decide for the rest of us. Right now the SNP have decided to not risk a second Indy ref on a coin flip. I for one see the logic of it why dont you?
@Breeks
I dont do bad irony.
@Bob Mack
The last Indyref poll by Survation put support for Indy at 46%.
Do you honestly want to risk another ref on 46%?
I think he looks quite dashing in an ermine robe
Lord Wishart of Cringannoch
has a nice ring to it don’t you think
https://www.dropbox.com/s/se1drr3lvr4c7p0/Lord%20Wishart.png?dl=0
@Graeme
The SNP are committed to keeping its members out of the House of Lords have any of these so called new Indy parties made the same commitment?
Dave
Put a link to where you saw a poll from Survation with only 46%.
And then fuck off…
Lord Wishart of Cringannoch
https://www.dropbox.com/s/se1drr3lvr4c7p0/Lord%20Wishart.png?dl=0
Dave you talk as if we have all the time in the world to take our Independence , Brexit and IMB have changed everything , time is running out . No Referendum can guarantee success for our side and we’re unlikely to have more favourable circumstances than we do presently , let’s carpe the fuck out of this diem
Dave the last Survation poll was 54%. You can’t just make stuff up!
https://news.stv.tv/politics/new-poll-finds-support-for-scottish-independence-at-54?top
@mogabee
Are you denying that the last Survation poll regarding intent to vote for Independence came back with a result of 46% in favour of Independence when you DONT exclude the dont knows?
@Big Jock
Its 54% ONLY AFTER you EXCLUDE the DONT KNOWS. You cant exclude the dont knows during an actual referendum. We only know for SURE that 46% polled in favour of Independence.
More like number one f@nny
@Robert Hughes
Technically we do. Time is on our side in terms of momentum and gaining support as younger generations become old enough to vote and older generations pass on but I get the drive to get it sooner rather than later to avoid the very real damage this disunion is doing but take a lesson from Quebec. They went for 2 referendums one after the other and resulted in the status quo winning both times. Where is their Independence movement now? Its gone with their momentum. God knows when they will get another chance.
Thats what we risk and we’ll be risking it on nothing better than a coin flip.
@Ottomanboi, 9.08
This Robin McAlpine article makes some good points about busted politics – https://sourcenews.scot/robin-mcalpine-the-centre-is-broken-control-did-the-the-breaking/
Only if we assume WM will do nothing to weaken Holyrood and our support holds indefinitely , 2 very large assumptions Dave . Did the Quebecois not go for a 2nd Ref fairly soon after the 1st ? I get being cautious , there is a tremendous amount at stake here , but sometimes boldness is required , and not playing by the rules laid down by your opponent
Hatuey says:
6 November, 2020 at 2:22 am
Daisy, in reference to GRA, can you point me to polls that show it to be a “major vote loser”.’
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Hatuey,
The Rev has done polling in previous articles and found GRA to be unpopular with a majority of the public.
Perhaps its lazy thinking on my part to assume this will translate into major vote loss, and as things stand – with a media looking the other way – that may well be correct.
However, I saw how the media weaponised the Named Person Scheme (which was actually mostly good) and rallied tweedy types to the street to hand out leaflets, when normally they don’t do such things.
From that I conclude GRA = Major Vote Loser
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Re Timeline not being up to date with regards the Sturgeon Enquiry. Sorry for that folks, I have kind of lost the place with (having seen enough evidence to satisfy my mind on the matter). I’ll wait until nearer the end before updating it again – if needs be.
@Robert Hughes
There are no perfect choices or guaranteed paths there is risk in any strategy.
You may very well be right and now is the time to strike I honestly dont know and neither does anybody else its a gamble and a huge one.
Now you get the pressure the FM has to work under. She has to balance the damage being done and the corruption of the English state with the wobbly chance of a desperate shot with a 50 50 chance at best if you ignore the FACT that undecideds tend to more often than not stay with a status quo rather than leap onto something new.
Its not an enviable position to be in and more people should take the pressure she is coping with under consideration instead of mouthing off and spewing their bile.
Dave @10.51
Quebec is a salutary lesson for independence movements and referenda. Partie québécois was like the SNP once was, the anti establishment party fighting the might of the establishment – and the lost, not once but twice.
The SNP and the yes movement were at our referendum in 2014 robbed of the result. The media, the power of the state, the power of the big corporations and banks, yes the banks who would relocate to England, the security service monitoring, the sacred vow, all conspired against independence.
And they would do it again. Are doing it again.
And now the Partei Québécois – where now and will our fate be the same.
Now is not the time. There’s Brexit to fight, COVID to be won, and then the economy to be sorted. Well, it all reminds me of the auld song….” woke me up before we Go – Go “ because we’re on a road to nowhere. And Sturgeon knows it. Job done.
@Willie
You want our Government to negotiate our Independence in the middle of Covid and Brexit? It wont be hard enough dealing with a Neo fascist Government drowning in self entitled criminal corruption?
Dave says:
6 November, 2020 at 11:05 am
…Now you get the pressure the FM has to work under. She has to balance the damage being done and the corruption of the English state with the wobbly chance of a desperate shot with a 50 50 chance at best if you ignore the FACT that undecideds tend to more often than not stay with a status quo rather than leap onto something new.
Oh do fuck off, you patronising arse.
IF that was even remotely true, a “wobbly chance of a desperate shot with a 50 50 chance at best” IS NOT THE TIME TO COMPROMISE THE INDEPENDENCE VOTE WITH THE SURPLUS AND TOXIC BAGGAGE OF GRA REFORM AND HATE CRIME LEGISLATION
Who the fk gave these Gender Extremists the right to bedevil OUR campaign for Scottish Independence with their tawdry sexual proclivities which they “demand” we have to accept as the price to be paid IF we want Scottish Independence?
It’s fkg blackmail. “VOTE WOKE… or Independence get’s it.”
The SNP isn’t fine tuning it’s strategy for the last push across the line. That’s a straight up con. It’s using / abusing Scottish Independence to salt the earth and Scottish Government with it’s Wokist subversives, and turn a legitimate mandate and majority for Scottish Independence into an illegitimate and stolen mandate and majority for rolling out their toxic and unelectable agenda for Gender Woo absurdity and denial of science.
Scottish Independence needs these parasites purged and removed from the Independence Campaign with immediate effect and the SNP is courting disaster when it refuses to listen.
The YES campaign is bigger than the SNP, especially under Sturgeon’s lame and hopeless ‘leadership” and if the SNP doesn’t get it’s act together soon, then YES will find a way to circumvent the blocked sewer of the SNP and their forlorn endeavours to hijack Scottish Independence for their own ends.
The TH is under enormous pressure? Let me tell you how Government works
A problem arises
The Civil Service are put on the problem
They come up with answers or mitigation.
The Government announces these as their own.
That’s how it works. The First Ministers day is not surrounded by fraught complexity. It is surrounded by sanctioning actions by Civil Servants .
That’s why the Salmond court case stinks to high heaven.
I understand what you’re saying Dave , I just don’t agree with it , but fair play for coming on here to make a defence of NS . Personally , I think she’s become a major obstacle to Independence and if she continues as FM loyal people like yourself will sooner or later be bitterly disappointed . I genuinely hope I’m wrong about her and the current SNP ” strategy ” , all the indications are that I , Stuart and most the commenters here are not
@Bob Mack
Except Scotland doesnt have a Civil Service it has to use the Civil Service that answers to the English Government.
Thats why the Salmond court case stinks to high heaven.
@Robert Hughes
I get where the impatience comes from believe me. Independence has been my dream for decades. We should have taken our Independence in the 70s. Imagine where we would be now. Better than any of our Scandinavian neighbours.
We are where we are because the majority in Scotland cant see what we see dont understand what we cant fail to understand many because they simply dont want to. Its these people who are holding us down not the politicians FOR ONCE. Thats the tragedy of Scotland. For once Politicians are trying to do the right thing and its the people who are preventing them.
Its heartbreaking.
Pete Wishart symbolises the corruption at the heart of the SNP.
A dim trougher and sycophant to the ‘elites’, whether it be the ‘huntin & shootin’ scum or the Westminster crooks.
A classic Scotch arse kissing qu*sling to his English betters whose vocabulary is as limited as his intelligence and loyalty to his country.’Demagoguery’ is his buzz word meaning irrational and emotive political appeals to the ‘ordinary people’. Pete ain’t interested in ‘ordinary people’…after all he wants to be the next Speaker of the HOC..along with all the chums that he is deluded enough to believe exist on the Unionist benches.
If Pete did comprehend what rationality is, he would conclude that as a member of the overwhelming majority of Scottish MPs he has the power, along with all the others the constitutional ability to sever the Union today. That is what he was elected to do along with all the SNP MPs…
Why did he believe we have elected the SNP in growing numbers for the past decade?…to sit and yah boo along with the enemy?
Or to dissolve the Union? Remember that is /was the point of General Elections in Scotland for the SNP since its inception.
Now it seems, it is Referenda or possibly getting the toon cooncil at Holyrood to vote and then have a referendum and hope the rest of the world ( ‘our friends’ according to D.M.H. in the ‘National) to somehow ‘persuade the English to accede to it. And indeed expect it to even exist by next May.
Unless wastes of space such as Wishart are told bluntly to do what the fuck they were supposed to do when elected i.e. dissolve the Union..we can kiss the Cause goodbye for another generation that has the balls to actually do it. Altough demographically the next census will show how unrealistic that is also.
@Lochside
When has any Leader of the SNP including Alex Salmond ever had a cast iron guaranteed majority support in Scotland for Independence it could take to Westminster and say its time.
WHEN?
@ Dave says, ‘ You want our government to negotiate our Independence while in the middle of Brexit and Covid’.
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If we do not get Independence by May 2021, we will not have a Scottish Government in anything but name – thanks to Brexit.
It is that urgent.
The financial impact of Brexit will hit Scotland much harder than other parts of the UK – as the English government will need to asset strip to a far greater degree in order to pay for Brexit – with the added advantage of such a policy ‘crushing the scots’. Any residual ‘vichie’ SNP/ScotGov will get the blame for everything from the media.
Their crooked dealings, and spineless efforts re S30 will make loyal Independents unable to ‘hold their nose’ and vote for them ever again.
From SNP NS to all candidates – jeezo, NO 3rd party oversight, shocking
https://twitter.com/ABalharry62/status/1324673902744948737/photo/1
@Daisy Walker
You may be right I wouldnt put anything past this English regime. The ONLY options we have are gambles.
If we go now or soonest its a huge gamble if we wait its a huge gamble.
All I know for sure is that support for Independence is growing faster everytime the English Government slaps us in the face and we’re not sitting on enough support to guarantee a win. I think the best gamble is to wait until the English Government slaps enough sense into enough Scots to decide to slap back.
‘Dave says:
6 November, 2020 at 11:54 am
@Lochside
When has any Leader of the SNP including Alex Salmond ever had a cast iron guaranteed majority support in Scotland for Independence it could take to Westminster and say its time.
WHEN?’
Westminster rule is predicated on majority of SEATS, not votes. Every Government in living memory has been elected by minority support in the Electorate. Scotland’s sovereignty rests with our MPs and since 2015 we have elected a majority of SNP, a party, which was created for the purpose of negotiating severance of the Union. It is because of this failure to execute its objective that this site is continually on the attack of the SNP.
Our Sovereignty was placed there(HOC) by the Treaties and Acts of Union and it can only be dissolved that way. The use of Referenda is recent and has been proved to be corrupt: 1979 and 2014 are evidence of that. Indeed the Brexit Ref highlighted this further with Scotland’s vote being ignored. What has been suggested by many, including the REV, is a plebiscitary vote at the May Scot Parl Election. More importantly, it would be taking place in a DEVOLVED assembly. Therefore, of no constitutional significance.
You appear to be a ‘DO NOTHING’ advocate, and keep talking about Quebec, which is truly not equal in status to Scotland, but a province with no sovereign status. It is however relevant only in that its growing anglophone population outvoted eventually its indigenous Francophone population. A further lesson for Scotland if we do not act fast.
@ Dave, ‘I think the best gamble is to wait until the English Government slaps enough sense into enough Scots to decide to slap back.’
Which is not going to work.
During that time period, English immigration to Scotland will be promoted and increase – and with no disrespect to them – the vast majority of English, know nothing and care nothing about Scotland’s interests – they will vote for England first. We will become like Wales – with an English majority population.
Should Scottish people ‘slap back’ in a Northern Ireland type manner, it would play directly into the hands of the Britnat Establishment. Sites such as this would be closed immediately, and English soldiers would be deployed throughout Scotland to ‘keep the peace’.
All institutes, including the Police, Education, Energy Production would be dominated by English personnel.
We would become second class citizens in our own country. Poverty would increase, and when that does, drug and alcohol addiction increases.
It will take them about 5 years to do this.
And for those who still cling to the SNP/S30 route. The SNP are not going to win a Holyrood election – all those skeletons you keep asking fellow Indy supporters to be quiet about – are very big bombs which will be detonated in April 2021. That is the real gamble.
You must now ask yourself – do we have enough time between now and May 2021 to inform the electorate about the dangers it is facing, and convincing them to vote for a credible plebiscite candidate? Particularly with Covid restrictions in place.
The answer to that is, very very close. We can start swimming for the life raft or drown. Swimming in choppy seas is always a gamble. Staying put is definitely drowning.
Dave your 46% excluding the don’t knows makes no difference. You are assuming that all of the don’t knows will be no voters.
It’s well seen you don’t understand how polling averages work. Yes are ahead when excluding the don’t knows. If the don’t knows don’t vote at all , then yes would win. If they make their minds up on the day, the law of averages means the yes vote would be well over 50%.
That’s why polling has tried and tested methodology. It’s rarely wrong when we have already had 10 polls showing yes ahead. There is a pattern!
Dave,
The SNP have a mandate for a referendum on independence.
We gave them that mandate.
A referendum is an exact measurement of the Will of the People.
If the People of Scotland vote for independence in the majority that is democracy in action.
If the People of Scotland vote against independence in the majority that is yet again democracy in action.
Casting aside a mandate for a referendum is undemocratic.
Excuses not to use the mandate given to the SNP are still only excuses to be undemocratic.
What parts do you need help with Dave?
Also remember the English had their EU referendum, when leave were polling in the very low 40s. So they had a referendum when the status quo was at 58 odd percent.
Yet we have pro indy polling showing 54% plus , and that is not enough to trigger a referendum. You are all over the place Dave.
There is shown to be consistent and fundamental change in peoples attitudes to independence. The people have voted SNP over and over again. They intend to do so again.
We have a mandate from 2016 for a referendum. Another mandate will not materially change anything. Unless we are arguing that we must always get a bigger mandate, with ever moving goalposts!
Even if DO NOTHING Sturgeon and her coterie of Daves actually got us independence would anyone here be satisfied with her leading negotiations on the disbursement of assets, FFS we would end penniless and worse off, but don’t worry she has a multitude of former and current banker and economist yoonionists to help with negotiations
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Dear Sir Peter,
It must be very difficult for you to read these BTL comments on this vile website full of demagoguery.
Especially because your security of tenure as the Shadow Minister of The Cabinet Office and Member of The British Establishment is very like your job as MP of the constituency of Shoogly Peg with, at one point, a majority of 74 votes…
https://tinyurl.com/ComfyFeetPeteP45
Your career has been and continues to hang on that proverbial shoogly peg.
You are INDEED, Schroedinger’s Pratt.
But that is nothing compared to you being found out as a DISHONEST Sturgeonite backstaber and within the ilk that Is summed up with the words…
“Evil triumphs when good men and women fail to act.”
Pete, you stood by and watched Alex Salmond dragged through Hell by the McWokeistlo infestation of the SNP.
You appear to be in cahoots with Big-Daddy-Alyn-Twittler-Youth-Shagging-Smyth and the McWokeist.
But your finest contribution to political life is the fact that Stuart Campbell was on the cusp of closing down Wings Over Scotland and go on extended sabbatical leave.
Pete, THANKYOU for your real efforts to keep Stuart Campbell in the fray for the REAL seekers of Independence.
Pete, thank you for your success in keeping Stuart Campbell alive and active in Scottish Politics. His forensic articles and skills at finding and outing lying political parasites and cuckoos who are squatting in the NEC with their own pet projects is needed more now than ever before.
You have every right to accept the £100,000 British State money for 20 years. An awesome £2,000,000 plus expenses for your putrid political erse to warm an expensive green bench in a huge big billion pound palace. You and the Fat Banker fae Skye are truly the Ant & Dec of Scottish politics. It is sad you sold out Scottish Independence for your own political career and money, but understandable. You have a weak moral code and a patronising weak voice that goes falsetto and squeaky when you lie. Which is why you sound like a permanent kilted version of a high pitched Bee Gee.
Pete you political epitaph shares a parallel to your constituency…
“Wishart is well known for campaigning to demolish Perth’s listed City Hall, dating from 1911, and replace it with an open square. He has described the building as “unused, unloved and increasingly unwelcome”, “a building whose time has passed”.”
Bye bye Peter, you will soon be gone and forgotten. Not even a skid mark in the anal history of Scottish politics.
You have lost. We all see the inevitability of your political demise as election followed election where voters discover exactly who and WHAT you are.
Seems you have a stalker Stu.
He is obsessed.