One simple question
We actually agree with John Swinney here.
The law – more specifically the Workplace (Health, Safety, and Welfare) Regulations 1992 – is indeed “crystal clear”. It states, wholly unambiguously, that men and women must be provided with separate single-sex changing facilities, which could under NO lawful conditions include Dr “Beth” Upton and nurse Sandie Peggie at the same time.
The difficulty is that any minute now, someone is going to ask the beleaguered First Minister the staggeringly obvious question that arises from the fact, namely:
Why didn’t NHS Fife know that?
Because while the responsibility for NHS boards knowing the law is essentially theirs, they’re also entitled to expect reliable guidance from the Scottish Government on how the law should be interpreted, and any public body that had been following the actions of the Scottish Government for the last decade or so would be forgiven for drawing the conclusion that the stance they were expected to take was “do whatever transgender people say and give them whatever they want under all circumstances”.
But that isn’t the law, and – in so far as anyone in Scotland is actually held accountable for anything any more – someone will have to carry the can for the political car crash and significant waste of public money that has ensued from NHS Fife so manifestly not knowing it. If someone doesn’t find themselves thrown under a bus for it pretty soon, Swinney himself risks being the third SNP First Minister brought down by the madness of the gender cult and having to wave Bute House goodbye.
We look forward to someone asking the question in the coming days.
But never mind. Help yersel tae ane o Geri’s “thins”. I recommend the cheesy…
But, Rev, if Swinney et al say that a transvestite is a woman, then the law, as they see it, is being applied.
But we can hope that this issue will bring Swinney down.
Lady Dorrian’s ruling in the FWS case was very clear on this point – as far as the law is concerned, a man without a GRC is a man no matter how many ladyfeels he has.
So a piece of paper makes you what ever you want to be, how messed up we have become.
Poll:
‘Inability to provide straight answers to questions about ‘Isla Bryson’/Adam Graham effectively ended Nicola Sturgeon’s tenure as First Minister.
Do you feel that John Swinney’s handling of the Sandy Peggie/NHS Fife affair will produce a similar outcome?’
Yes 87.8%
No 12.2%
82 votes
2 days left
3:10 PM · Feb 20, 2025
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Could have told him and Fife council this as a former union official.
Also employment law backs the nurse as she was harassed by presence and interaction of the other individual.
Gray and Fife nurse manager totally in the wrong.
I wish the nurse well at tribunal or in getting an out if tribunal settlement.
Councils are good at this when backed to the wall.
I know worked for me against a bullying couple of managers in Petth and Kinross Council.
Of course, in this case, it is not Fife Council in the dock, but NHS Fife. Same rules apply.
Ian
I too am former TU person.
I think NHS Fife offered to settle but Sandie Peggie wanted her day which I think was courageous and very useful in getting this stuff more public.
Another reason perhaps was the failure of the nursing TU, RCN, to provide her with representation.
Instead, Ms Peggie had the representation of barrister Naomi Cunningham, who has done many tribunals of this kind and blogs under Legal Feminist.
It is likely/probable that Fife NHS will be paying Ms Peggie’s costs. these costs would have gone up considerably had NHS Fife continued with a disciplinary hearing against Ms Peggie scheduled for today.
MBM Policy has a piece up about how RCN has behaved in the past. Here is the end of the piece.
“Conclusion
A consistent theme emerges from the advice that the RCN gives to its members regarding the way in which they should deal with trans-identified colleagues and patients. Like many other institutions, the RCN promotes gender self-identification principles, with little to no apparent consideration of their impact on female members, patients, or their colleagues at work.
Declaration of interest
MBM co-founder Lisa Mackenzie was an employee of the RCN from 2017-19. She was investigated by her managers in the summer of 2019 for her co-authorship of an article in peer-reviewed journal Scottish Affairs regarding the uncritical adoption of gender self-identification principles by two Scottish public bodies, to the detriment of women’s sex-based rights. Lisa eventually resigned from the RCN in September 2019.”
link to murrayblackburnmackenzie.org
Sam apart from the stress and severe anxiety that Sandie Peggie has been subjected to by the ongoing actions of Fife SNHS management and their legal representatives who appear NOT to have properly investigated the legal regulations surrounding these contentious issues, her broader friends and family must also have experienced similar trauma observing the impact of a possibly ruinous financial and career ending outcome from something that SHOULD NOT have happened
I get extremely outraged at the current administration’s eagerness to constantly engage the hugely expensive legal services of lawyers and KC’S in attempts to silence or force policies and regulations which are reviled on to the general population
It is outrageous insanity that we the taxpayers are having to pay to defend these unwanted and hated policies being forced on us and at the same time we are having to crowd fund any legal opposition to the stupidity being introduced
If these so called progressive woke proponents were forced to pay their own legal costs to introduce this lunacy there would be far less legal challenges
Why is everybody in power scared to say IF you have male genitals you do the toilet in a MENS toilet n if you need to change at work the same rules apply change in MENS changing rooms
If only. After having stitched up the succession to prevent any possibility of being unseated, I’d be astonished if Swinney resigns over anything.
Joke parliament, joke government, and Swinney just reinforces it.
But it’s not a joke. Allowing chick’s with kicks to share female toilets is a breach of women’s basic rights and as the First Minister says the Health Board should know the law.
But Swinney’s government have aided, abetted and the breaking of the law. They have also stood idly by whilst the Health Board spend tens and tens of thousands on a tribunal case.
Why then is Swinney’s government not taking action against the law breakers in our public service. Or is the reality that Swinney and his team are complicit.
Swinney must go and so must individuals in the health Board.
You cannot be a law maker and a law breaker.
Full on John is full on trapped.
Career finished by a cock in a frock. What a fitting end to a pathetic little man
Swinney is trying to keep his options open on the definition of a woman (For Woman Scotland @ UK Supreme Court Appeal) and the rights to single sex spaces (Sandie Peggie @ NHS Fife Tribunal).
Not so much Full On John as Fool On John.
“do whatever transgender people say and give them whatever they want under all circumstances”.
It’s actually worse than that, as there’s no definition of “trans” or “transgender”. So it’s “do whatever anyone who uses a magic word” says. It’s getting towards the time we should just all identify as “trans” and all go into massive tantrum mode if we don’t get our own way.
Cath: this is precisely the point I have been making for some time. There is no definition of ‘trans’, and this is why we have reached the point where transvestites and autogynephiles feel free to ‘peacock’ in the ladies. Yesterday, everyone knew that these men were driven by sexual feelz. Internationally, ‘gender dysphoria’, a wholly new concept, and, hitherto, a species of body dysMorphia, was allowed to enter the fray and it is this concept that has bought the about the opening of all doors to men who are both exhibitionists and voyeurs par excellence.
People talk of those who went before and made efforts to blend in, but did that make them any less travesties or autogynephiles using female facilities with impunity. No one asked female people if they were happy with men using the facilities, because sexologists and psychologists told them to just go ahead and live ‘like women’. That is the root of what has brought this down upon our society. These early female impersonators were the vanguard for the main army that we see now.
The adult men must be differentiated and distinguished from the women and children who are not a physical threat to anyone, albeit they have been the human shield that has allowed this to spread and diffuse throughout society. Many women have been to blame, too, for supporting these men who are, not to put too fine a point on it, using them and abusing them in equal measure, cynically and with a total lack of empathy.
You can’t have anyone born in the wrong body if you don’t have children born in the wrong body, and the chances that only men would be ‘trans’ is highly unlikely, so females had to be roped in, too, in order to cover the transvestites and autogynephiles. We need to out exactly what this is and stop pretending that it is anything to do with anything other than sexual feelings of a performative nature imposed on others.
Hello John,
Need a new Voter..?
Brilliant
I hope the nurse wins her case and the outcome will help get rid of this nonsense.
When attending the tribunal was this man told to use the men’s toilets if needed or were other women out at risk?
I hope the nurse wins her case and the outcome will help get rid of this nonsense.
When attending the tribunal was this man told to use the men’s toilets if needed or were other women out at risk?
I watched FMQs live and was screaming “Don’t you know the law?” at the FM. A lot of good that does, too. Have Headteachers, Managers, etc all been hypnotised so that when they hear “Trans” anything they all fall into a trance and mouth the lies they have been indoctrinated with?
I do agree with the slogan End Conversion Practices. Stonewall and its offshoots should be made to stop confusing children by feeding them lies about perfectly normal feelings children have when growing up. They are the ones trying to ‘convert’ perfectly normal children to their questionable point of view.
There are people who have problems with who and what they are. They are, however, in a very small minority. The amount of time, money and effort being spent on them is out of all proportion to their actual numbers.
One more for Sturgeon.
All those involved in installing this fictitious mantra across public services should be held to account for, with full knowledge of, intensionally breaking the law. And that includes the likes of Jenny Gilruth.
So what was the SNP strategy regarding this policy? Could it have been something like this? The infamous GRR leglisation was blocked by the Conservative UK Government. Leave it hanging like Damocles sword until a more amenable UK Government are in place. Labour win, nah you are alright. No change from us. OK let’s muddy the waters and let the Local Authorities try to get the policy in by over zealous interpretation and lack of SG guidance. The public won’t notice. Sandy Peggie comes along and the public is supporting her case. GRR back on the public radar. What to do Mr Swinney? Immediately repeal the original GRR leglisation and take it from the statute books for evermore. Use SG legal resource to instruct the SNHS and public bodies to interpret the law correctly. It will be interesting to see forthcoming opinion polls to assess the damage to the SNP. Not such a safe pair of hands Mr Swinney.
Personally I’d like to see the GRA demolished, not just the GRR bill, or at least substantially amended so that you get a GRC and legally become the opposite gender only on complete surgical ‘transformation’.
Have you signed the Westminster petition – “Fully Repeal the Gender Recognition Act”? It was started recently and Scotland is responding strongest.
Even if they do get a GRC, Liz, the data on their birth sex, etc. should still be kept. Women and girls are brutalized with bottles, sticks and other objects every year. The possession of a penis is not essential. All studies to date show that male pattern criminality remains, despite hormones and other refinements – because DNA remains the same. Validity implies consent. Women and girls have never consented to any of this. Please don’t consent on anyone else’s behalf. That is what caused most of this infiltration in the first place.
This is useful information, Liz. Horrific to learn about but obviously necessary. I had no idea of the scale, or range, of perversions being wreaked on people and animals.
Correct.
What the feck are they putting in the water up there?
This “BE KIND” mantra will always “BE ABUSED” by those who want everything their way, 10 years of this lunacy has cost Scots and Scotland dearly , I spoke out when the poison dwarf was seeking the opinion on the consultation from anyone from anywhere in the world , she was hoping that the people with self interest would overwhelm the consultation but was disappointed at the outcome YET she still persisted and we are in the shite state we are in because people want to “BE KIND”
So I am getting malware on the newest but not this thread. A sure sign this thread is clean. Give more money to Stu. His security is deficient. Same attack red signal warning download this on your PC. Men with small penises are too blame apparently. It’s a State attack. Too sophisticated.
Thankyou for the coverage of this. Have been reading whilst listening to The Kinks ‘Lola’. What an utter mess.
Testing, testing, one two three…is the server still being attacked?