Wings Over Scotland

Thank feck i’m there, and not here.

Where is here … so that I can avoid it?

I despair. I really do.

I console myself with the fact that even if the Arch Tories of Kilmacolm and the Champagne Liberals of the West End tactically vote for New Labour (as alleged New Labour activist Andrew Skinner has hinted) it might not be enough to stop the massive SNP tide in Inverclyde.

Key word: might.

(gets back to work)

The SNPout lot seem to do their cause more harm than good. Total tinfoil hat brigade stuff.

Maybe it should have read “are you prepared to vote tactically for the rest of your life”,because you will need to.I am not changing any time soon.

William Hague, the Conservative former foreign secretary, said he rejected Forsyth’s concerns.

“We have to sound the alarm here,” he said. “We have the danger here that people who want to break up the United Kingdom will be running the United Kingdom in a few weeks’ time if there is a Labour government with a large number of Scottish nationalist MPs. And it’s not the Conservatives who have talked that up. It’s the story, whether of opinion polls or of what everybody’s talking about on the ground.”

There is no ‘Break-up’ of the United Kingdom, there are no ‘separatists’. We are simply a country that is tired of Westminster hegemony and wants to end a disadvantageous and wholly unfair contract, with another country who are determined to keep their advantageous contract.

I think you’ll find i’m here, it’s you that’s there
unless i come to you then it’s possible i might be…no I’d still be over there, that’s why one shouts Hello there and not Hello here
Am i making any sense here, Hoi you there I’m talking here

Anent the latest febrile rantings of John Major, this is the clown who regards Scotland as a rich-mans playground and whose government exempted Scottish sporting estates from paying Business Tax in 1994. How can anybody take seriously a buffoon who tucks his pullover into his drawers, as was gruesomely revealed to the nation by his bidey-in Edwina Curry. Pass the sick bag Alice.

Gobbledegook!!.

here in NE Fife we are being deluged by leaflets from the 3 unionist parties saying: ‘we are the only ones who can keep the SNP out’, or ‘NO you must vote for us to keep the SNP out’, or ‘No! No! it’s only us that can keep the SNP out’. So, hopefully the unionist vote will be nicely evenly divided between them.

but I am here, along with hundreds of thousands. suck it up #snpout

I’m not too worried about this. They are outnumbered.

I don’t see anything wrong with tactical voting, I’ve done it myself to try to keep the tories out. People can vote for whoever whyever they want. I’m just very pleased that for once I can vote for something I believe in this time AND expect them to win.

Personally I would rather ignore snout, I think they get more than their fair share of coverage.

The SNPOut Manifesto:

1 Everyday to begin with full rendition of God Save The Queen.
2 Orange Walks every Saturday morning before kick-off.
3 New National Anthem to be ‘Too Poor, Too Wee, Too Stupit’.
4 Disband parliament and turn Holyrood into Museum of the Empire.
5 Only Lodge members can stand for public office.
6 Rangers to automatically win treble very year.
7 George Sq to be renamed Union Jack Square

Are they run from outwith Scotland as well?

I got a letter from my current MP Robert Smith (Lib Dem) it was hand written and asking people of all persuasions to vote tactically and all vote for Lib Dem to keep out the good guys, my god he must be shitting myself as he had a huge majority over the SNP and alot of people voted for him to keep out the Tory gobshites. I can send it on to you Rev if you want it, otherwise it will come in handy if i run short of Bog roll

I’ve often wondered whether the “SNPout” crowd were an elaborate parody.

The constant analogies to fascism and communism. The barely-concealed contempt for Scotland. The complete absence of any sense of humour.

But there doesn’t seem to be any good evidence for this. They’re real people expressing real opinions. It’s no coincidence that the most popular member of the circle is that Archbampot of Britishness, “Effie Deans”.

The Pouters have been a fantastic if somewhat dark comic relief in the election. I think they have managed to produce some of the most offensive posters so far. I’m only surprised they haven’t recruited Katie Hopkins (probably find out she is their grand wizard or something).

SNPOut people…

Take a history lesson..you know, the constitutional history of any modern nation..

See how people hold the power to choose..( The Left has been voting tactically for years, hence 1Tory despite 15%suppprt.)

See how educated populations demand progress and reform..

See how counterproductive fear is, once hope becomes more powerful..

See how silly you are..

I actually pity them.

And where exactly might I ask is, ‘HERE’?

Auld Rock

Gordon Brown is doing a closed doors, private, don’t tell them Im here meeting tonight EastKilbride in the Calderwood at 7.30

Perhaps he’s talking to the snpouters lot.

Actually I think this lot must exist in a parallel universe – or maybe they’re neither here nor there! Just trapped in a black hole somewhere from which nothing can escape! 🙂

The 2015 General Election

The Existential Election..are you really here?…place your X..if you can

They’re fun, aren’t they? Wired to some planet or another, possibly a small moon somewhere in orbit around Jupiter.

Small side point. Is that Bombskare profile anything to do with the band of the same name? Coz if it is they’ve just gone even further up in my estimation.

Um sorry dears – whats an SN pout, been a bit busy engaging people with the democratic process.

For the snpouters it’s “Here today, gone tomorrow”.

We’re gonna miss the laughs.. 🙂

I’m sorry for dragging this up again … *YAWN* but I think it is quite appropriate to the #SNPout idea that we should not be here but should be there. 😉

link to youtube.com

Yaaawwwnnnnnnnnnnn. Right, what have I missed? Oh, it’s business as usual……night night.

Apparently the LibDems have started a site SNP.fail.

According to the Herald they are getting a bit of a kicking on Social media for it.

I strongly suspect that the SNPout brigade are all BDSM players…and this is one of their obedience tests.

Tactical Voter is your common garden Dominatrix by the sounds of it.

I wish the voting was on Thursday. We have over a fortnight still to go. Seems a very long election campaign…To be honest I suspect the Scottish electorate in general will start to rapidly lose interest until voting day, watching the results, and then the aftermath. The results and the aftermath could well be spectacular and memorable though. Given the length of the referendum campaign, then you cannot really blame voters for getting election fatigue.

Stew,
It was Stanly Unwin wot rote it for em!!.

//youtu.be/CVC2vyVCWJI

Apparently, Gordon Brown is sending out personal letters to people in Edinburgh, telling them why they must vote Labour.

The letter, which I have seen, even has a picture of a smiling Gordon Brown on it. In it he tells us how awful the SNP are, and why only Labour can save the NHS in Scotland. He says, Labour will spend an extra billion pounds on the NHS in Scotland, with 1000 extra nurses and 500 extra GP’s in Scotland. All apparently raised from the mansion tax in the UK. (Did he check all this with Ed Balls??).

This of course he will amazingly do, despite not being an MP or MSP, or even councillor, as he has now left the house of commons. And it will apparently be be done from Westminster which has NO CONTROL WHATSOEVER OVER THE NHS IN SCOTLAND.

Given that Gordon Brown knows all this, one can only assume that he is yet again deliberately lying to the people of Scotland.

Then they wonder why nobody is voting Labour.

OH my, sad people. By the way have we discovered where “here” is yet.

I think “here” on the SNP out site is twinned with the A*se end of nowhere,
if anyone is wondering where it is.

Tactical vote,
Vote SNP get SNP, wooohooo
Gary

The Unionist strategy which is unfolding now, was almost certainly known to Murphy weeks ago. He will also know what plans are afoot for the postal votes, and for the climax of their campaign. It is this foreknowledge which gives him his self assurance.

He believes he has a real chance of a better result than the polls are forecasting.

According to YouGov, all their poutery is pointless

link to twitter.com

From the torygraph:

“John Major: Conservatives would be better off without Scotland”

“Sir John told a journalists’ lunch in Westminster two weeks ago: “From a purely partisan political point of view, the Conservative party would be much better placed without Scotland because some where down the line we have mislaid our Scottish votes.

“From a purely political point of view we would be better off without Scotland but the UK would not – the UK needs Scotland it ought to have Scotland.”

“If Scotland went, the UK would be diminished. Heaven alone knows what we will do for an army without Scotland, that would be a big loss. And also there is a huge amount of Scottish talent.”

link to archive.today

Aren’t these SNPout guys the ones with a predilection for accusing Scot who support independence as being NAZIs and Communists at the same time?

Now according to my on-line copy of the Oxford Dictionary these terms mean : –

n. (pl. Nazis)
1 hist. a member of the German National Socialist party.
2 a person belonging to any organization similar to the Nazis.
adj. of or concerning the Nazis.

So the Nazis claimed to be, not only the National Party of Germany, but to be Socialists too.

However, both of those claims are obvious lies as the NAZIs were attempting to take over the whole World so were internationalists and, being Fascists were obviously extreme right wing which is the very opposite of socialist.

Now what of Communists?

communist / n.
n. a person advocating or practising communism.
And a commune is a communal system of living that shares everything so it is extreme socialism.

Are these congenital idiots attempting to claim the SNP and politically extreme right wingers and extreme left wingers at one and the same time?

Now that’s what I call extreme, or congenital, idiocy.

Can people really be so stupid?

and calm

RoryD..

You mentioned “highland champion”..

My lib dem junk suppprts Alan Reid… You know..

Argyll & Nuke…

But on mine.. C Kennedy is “Scottish champion” cc

@ Paula Rose

“Up with the other sort of ting”

Not since the operation. 😀

Tory candidate election address for Stirling constituency delivered. Double sided A3 size publication with lots of text on issues, promises including the token castigation of the SNP and including a prominent half page message from Ruthie. Guess what? Not a single mention anywhere of their great and noble leader David Cameron and that says it all – toxic or what?

Okay SNPOut..for one final time..

This real Scotland is Here!
Your Fantasy Scotland is Very Far Away

@manandboy

It is this foreknowledge which gives him his self assurance.

He believes he has a real chance of a better result than the polls are forecasting.

I am really not sure what you are on about here. Murphy’s demeanour has got more and more angry as the campaign goes on. He seems to veer between the angry and the absolutely furious/ranting etc. This kind of indicates to me that things are not going well for Labour. If they were really going well, why on earth would Murphy not be a lot calmer?

Rally details: This Saturday, 25th April, 11 am Freedom Square with feeder march from Glasgow Green at 10.30 am. The rally will run all day until 4.30 pm with live music, speeches and the Yes Bikers and pipe bands.

Come to the press call. Come to the rally. Award winning actor David Hayman will speak at the rally on Saturday

I must admit, I’ve pondered over this tactical voting theory, and in my heart of hearts, I can’t see it really coming into play in Scotland.

The problem is, that for those who raise this as a method of defeating the SNP, face a number of problems that damage their cause.

First, their primary aim to damage the SNP is flawed almost instantaneously since one of the major problems that the perpetrators face is that of the First Minister; A lady who is commanding great respect throughout these islands, speaks with authority, and has explained (in great detail) of the SNP’s plan for making the UK a fairer place.

Secondly, this tactical voting will not go down well with more than half of the Scottish population. Half of Scotland is going to vote SNP, and to see some of the electorate tactically voting …out of sheer spite …would not only be held in contempt, but it would only create a new level of animosity. However, I don’t think the numbers will add up for this to become a factor.

Thirdly, the key problem here. Getting the electorate to vote for another party …especially if it is a party that goes absolutely against the grain. We are told by some that their families have voted Labour since forever. Being asked to vote Tory (if it is possible that a Tory may win that seat) will stick in the craw. It is a concept that will be alien to that persons very DNA.
Same with Tory supporters. Being asked to vote Labour will also be difficult. Probably not as difficult as someone who is Labour through and through voting Tory, but it will still be an effort; especially if they perceive the local candidate as a complete idiot, or believe Miliband is just completely weak.

And because of that; because that politics can be tribal, I can’t see the numbers adding up. I think some will buy into it, but not an entire constituency. You would have to be talking as though it were Gary Glitter or Pol Pot that were standing for the SNP before folk would do tactical voting.

Personally …and it’s just me …I don’t worry about this too much. I think a good many Scots can see through the nonsense being spouted by the media. I think many of those that voted ‘No’ in the referendum will have been angered by what they see as an attack on the will of the Scottish people.

Maybe I’m wrong …but somehow, I believe the vast majority of people will do the right thing, and vote as they should …and as their heart tells them.

Hope Over Fear reveal 18 foot banner and rally line up at tomorrows press and photo call ahead of the ‘Seize the Day – Lend Your Vote 2 the SNP’ on Saturday.

Press call details: 1pm Freedom Square, Wednesday, 22nd April.

Please share all the posts I have just put up.thanks People.

Paula Rose wrote:
“been a bit busy engaging people with the democratic process.”

What sort of response have you been getting Paula

One sided? Bit of a mixed bag? What?

The Guardian having another go at tactical blue tory voting SNPout in their Scotland region. Might work, the UKOK shill bashing out this #SNPoutConservative is even more desperate than vote SLabour red tory Libby Carrell

“party supporters should consider voting tactically for Labour in most areas of Scotland as the best way of supporting the UK, the former Tory chairman Lord Tebbit has said.”

Far right boot boy Norma Tebbit, boosted by rancid Graun. Its like the end of days in teamGB journalist er, psych.

Take nothing for granted..except our own resolve.

Keep the heid,
keep the faith,
keep the nutters at arms length..

Sir John Major – “If you want to talk about de-legitimising, I would like to know what someone who isn’t even a candidate for the House of Commons is doing talking about her party changing the policy and politics of the government of the whole of the United Kingdom”

So why indeed is Sir John Major talking or Ruth Davidson, or even Wee Willie Rennie.

According to Sir John, surely the political heavyweight Mr Mundell should be the Tory figurehead in Scotland.

Macart,

Thanks! Just finished cleaning up the sprayed coffee!

Kevin Evans,

“I won’t accept it rock”

That makes it two of us then.

Because the rest won’t find any “evidence”.

As if the British Establishment would leave “evidence” behind in Scotland.

Pair wee muppets! they threaten to move dahn souf if there was a yes in the referendum and now they find they are not even safe from evil nats down there

cearc honey – xx

Lesley-Anne

You can see the article on Unite Youth reps walking out on Common Space.

OT

Is there a reason why WoS still provides a link to the Subrosa website?

All I seem to read there is increasingly narrow minded, parochial, bigoted pish better suited to the Daily Mail.

Can anyone enlighten me?

Someone asked where the IFS info was about Scottish deficit. Dammit now I cannot remember who asked for it.

My memory just cut in as to where I saw it. It is here : –

link to snp.org

“Tactical voting may help deny the SNP a few seats, but in truth it seems incapable of recreating on May 7 the unionist coalition that succeeded in defeating independence last September.” – Prof Curtis.

link to blog.whatscotlandthinks.org

O/T IFS forecasts are based on oil prices remaining the same and fails to take into any account growth in the Scottish economy as a result of having increased powers at Holyrood.

link to snp.org

“Labour also look particularly foolish referring to the IFS, as the IFS said of Labour’s manifesto: ‘Literally we would not know what we were voting for if we were going to vote for Labour.’

I see Yoda’s still on shift; have the other two gone home for the night, or are they just taking a comfort break?

booked my 1st appointment with a ‘skillful head wobble’ choreographer today.
rave reviews, so i thought i’d give it a try, nothing to lose, eh!

@Sinky that was my first thought but as the person listed themselves as a non-trading individual whois has no address etc

Rather than read snippets of the ISF article, read the whole lot here..

link to ifs.org.uk

The SNPouters are a nasty little clique of British Nationalists. Lacking the wit to see the irony in their stance, they denounce “nationalism”, and seek to defeat it with the rallying cry “Country before Party”. Of course they mean the UK, their nation, and it is their duty to protect the red-white-and-blue against the Scots and this horribly unfair thing called democracy.

Their calls of “If you don’t vote the way I want, you shouldn’t be in this country” would not be out of place in the BNP. Nor would many of their other comments. They lack the capacity to argue coherently, so resort to branding their opponents “nazis”, “scum”, “seperatists” etc.

One of them, Effie Deans, argues that the idea of a country being independent is too good an argument to refute, so they must convince people that Scotland isn’t a country.

This sort of thinking is right out of 1984.

Other pouters imply that they might actually take up arms and use violence. I remember one charming young man saying he had a shotgun and was ready to use it.

I don’t go into that room in Twitter. It’s dark and malodourous and the floor is slippery with spittle.

Leave them to their colour wheels and their vitriol.

Louis B,
Love that slogan, it should be quite a draw, given how fond of it a lot of people down sarf are!

Paula Rose,
Sweetie-pie, xxx.

Macart,
Slainte!

My 81 year old mother who has voted labour all her life as her father was a founder member of international labour (precursor of the Labour Party) and met Lenin. has for the first time decided enough is enough, and is voting SNP! I nearly fainted when she told me! I actually feel sorry for the Labour Party. But you reap what you sow!

Isn’t there something rather sad about Norman Tebbit calling on Tories to vote Labour in Scotland?

What would his beloved Maggie say? And surely his whole reason for going into politics (and, by definition, his whole life) has been shown to be completely meaningless???

[And it shows a complete lack of knowledge and acumen, because if anything it is the other way round and there are more constituencies where Labour voting Tory or everyone voting Lib Dem might, in theory, mean a non-SNP winner — in theory, because someone showed on YouTube how tactical voting does not work and actually, bizarrely, pushes UP the SNP vote!]

As for John Major, he showered himself in corruption, left a legacy of zero Tory MPs in Scotland and did not even have the b@lls to stab Maggie in the back himself, but let others do it. What a weed!

@ Karmanaut, its actually very funny watching #SNPouters like the dope you mention. He’s retweeted a shot from Zulu with Michael Kane etc fighting off the Zulu and if there’s a bigger misunderstanding of that movie, the imperial history behind it, well it doesn’t get much UKOK dumber than a tweet like that. Its the complete lack of self awareness that makes them so funny.

link to twitter.com

It would seem that the IFS are having a second bite of the cherry to try and do a bit of scaremongering. You do wonder who is funding them to produce these reports when there are far more immediate figures to examine in light of all the election pledges.

I note also that they happily predict the fiscal deficit clearing for the UK which is why they are able to generate the gap they have.

I tend to view all think tank material as politics disguised as numbers. I doubt any of the figures are right. They will all be overtaken by events.

Just watched Rennie and Ponsonby on STV, I have to apologize as I could not stand it had to switch off after about 10 seconds. If you think Spud Murphy is delusional, well Wee Willie Rennie and Spud would make a right good pair of bookends, wooden ones at that!

I can’t understand how such people think they are actually improving the lives of Scots throughout Scotland. Why don’t they just cop a plea and admit they are in it for themselves. Vote these barstewards out, we don’t need crap like this, Scotland demands better, merit before cronyism.

Scotland deserves more and We will make sure this time. Vote for a stronger/cleverer Scotland. Vote SNP!

I have posted several times in recent months regarding tactical voting and as yet nothing has changed .

To me its very simple and clear.

Regular Tory Voter will not/never vote Labour as that would add another MP to their direct opposition ?
Labour Voter in Scotland vote Tory ?

The only floaters are the H@@rs AKA the Libdums . ( Had to switch of Our Wullie on STV , OMG !

So that leaves some Labour & Tory who may vote Liberal .

There will naturally be a portion of Floaters/ un decided but no more than in any election.

The thing is that all this Anti SNP / Anti Jock stuff from DC , JM etc is hardly going endear anyone to vote for any of the Unionist suspects .

Aye , Muttley it is getting tiresome .

They Just don’t get it !

Just go wiki the ifs and if ya dig a little into the director and other staff members it doesn’t take long to start to see the establishment influence weather its partners or university classmates and so on.

Gonna watch The WALKING DEAD on Netflix to get some normality.

I didn’t watch Wee Willie Winkie on TV James Barr Gardner but have read that Bernard Ponsonby asked him how many seats he, W.W.W., thought the Lib Dems could win in Scotland. W.W.W. answer was … “We can win every seat in Scotland!” 😀 😀 😀

@ Macsenex

Think you’re being a bit hard on Morag! 😉

I’ve noticed this over several months now, but can anyone explain why virtually every (including political) programmes on Iplayer are immediately available to view…..but not Politics Scotland or predominately Scottish based comment ? i.e “Available Soon” Message. Am I paranoid or is it just another subtle eroding/blocking by the MSM on genuine information from the SNP and Allies? I’ve tried to ignore it but it is rapidly becoming abundantly clear to me and would be good to have some confirmation from fellow like minded peeps. To hear Nigel Farage saying the BBC was left wing in the earlier debate was an absolute joke.

link to facebook.com

There you go Ian Brotherhood

link to facebook.com

Desmond

25% of Helensburgh folk are English born. Very few vote SNP. They switch their vote among Labour, Lib Dems and Tories depending on the election being fought.

The 2 SNP councillors were successful because they didn’t talk up independence but mounted highly personal campaigns on local issues and they both had a gravitas and are respected in the wider community for getting things done. They are nationalists through and through but know how to nuance the message.

Jackie Baillie lost to theSNP in Dumbarton and the Vale in the last two Holyrood elections but Her Helensburgh vote won her the constituency and there isn’t even a Labour branch in Helensburgh.

Ian Brotherhood, C4 news were right in that weird Murphy thing this evening. Its actually an embarrassment watching C4 camera man trying to kid on it was a huge crowd of s few activists and balloons. So who is Morphy roaring his head off at? No one’s there to listen to him shouting.

Wingman. 2020. 7.21

Not far off from the way I feel at times.

The downer that the Brit Nat’s put on Scotland reaches far and wide.I reckon I would have to go to Ladakh or Outer Mongolia to get away from the bad vibe it gives me.

All we want is to regain our country’s self respect, whilst they belittle and denigrate us.

Hope you find solace wherever you are.

@heedtracker

If you ask me, he’s trying to incite trouble. What else would he be trying to achieve?

He’s a very naughty messiah!

@ muttley79 says:
If they were really going well, why on earth would Murphy not be a lot calmer?

Nothing would make me happier, than to see SNP win 50 plus seats on May 7. And I think they would, in a fair election. GE15 will not be conducted in an honest and fair way by the Unionists.

But, moving on. Going according to plan is what I said, Muttley. I think Murphy is merely doing what he’s told and is acting a part. The three Unionist parties are pouring huge resources into trying to hurt the SNP. They have a plan of attack – it’s not all off the cuff.

It’s a game of poker, in which they think, after the successful hand they played at Indy, that they can win again using the same hand.

The polls don’t yet reflect the Unionists’ final push – with threats and a bribe and really nasty stuff smearing Nicola. Richard Walker at The National is in no doubt about what might be coming down on the SNP. It’s three v one – Indy again.

With the full force of State Propaganda to be deployed over the next two and a half weeks, and with control over the postal vote, all I’m saying is, it is far too early to think this is a done deal.

I was convinced we had won Indy. In fact, I still am. I’m just sayin’ like, if they can nick it once, they will have a go at stealing this one too.