One for the archives
Kezia Dugdale in yesterday’s Daily Record on the subject of Jeremy Corbyn:
So let’s be absolutely clear: if Jeremy Corbyn wins the Labour leadership election next month, as almost everyone expects him to, the UK (and therefore Scotland) is doomed to Conservative rule until at least 2025.
That’s not our view, but the official public position of the leader of Scottish Labour.
Should there be a second independence referendum in the next few years, Scotland’s choice will be a clear one: a generation of brutal Tory austerity, isolated from Europe (losing out on billions of pounds in funding) and the protections of the Human Rights Act, or taking responsibility for ourselves.
And every time Kezia Dugdale or her Labour colleagues in Better Together 2.0 protest that there’s another option she’ll be contradicted not by angry nationalists, but by her own words. So we’re sure everyone on all sides of the debate in Scotland will be watching the outcome of the leadership contest with interest. There’s a lot at stake.
“Funny” how BBC Scotland repeatedly reported this story yesterday without making this very obvious observation…
Whereas Owen Smith as leader is a sure-fire winner!
In a wee while, she will forget she said those words.
But we won’t.
Stu,
Years ago you were perceptive enough to point out that Miliband was not electable as PM.
Do you, or anyone else, believe that Owen (Who?) Smith is better placed?
Indeed Stuart. If Corbyn wins and the Blairites split from the party, then it’s goodnight Scottish Labour. People won’t vote for a weak, fractured party when they already have an anti-Tory, anti-austerity left-of-centre party packaged and in place (SNP). To my mind independence will then be inevitable. All that’s left is the timing.
I think we owe Kezia a great deal of thanks for clarifying the situation for us and spelling out to the people of Scotland what choices they have for the future of our country and the young people and children growing up in it.
What a time to be a toryboy though! Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery too, or just another hideous Bomber Blair, Crash Gordon legacy.
“Do you, or anyone else, believe that Owen (Who?) Smith is better placed?”
Well, obviously I can’t speak for everyone else. But I don’t think Owen Smith can win a Labour leadership election, let alone a general election. And even if he somehow manages the first one, I don’t think he’s got a hope of the second.
The thing is, if the general election was tomorrow, I suspect that Smith would probably lose it a bit less badly than Corbyn would. But he’d still lose it. Labour’s only hope in the medium to long term is a major repositioning of the party back towards its traditional values in the hope (by no means a guarantee) of re-engaging the millions and millions who walked away from voting altogether in the Blair years, and only Corbyn can achieve that.
This from wumman wi’ only wan MP?
Corbyn has said. “No More Devolution. No More Powers, No Second Referendum and no to Independence”. Today’s headlines says he is coming North to attack the Nats. And this Sloan Ranger and Guardian reader has been invited by the Jimmy Reid Foundation.
That young lady has an absolute knack for finding a corner and painting herself into it.
It’s pretty ridiculous what is happening in the Labour party right now. With all the coups, court cases and back-stabbing the most they can hope for – and even that’s looking highly unlikely – is that they’ll get back to the position where they were with Ed Miliband.
There IS another option.
Kool aid all round !
Todays big ? is, will fi, oops, Kez be posted AWOL until Corbyn is away home ?
Lightweights generally don’t like confrontation.
Jimmy Reid man of principal, a true socialist.
Corbyn is a Champagne lefty, a poor facsimile of a socialist.
A talking Head, a professional campaigner, as long as it won’t affect his privilege.
How fucking dare a foreign politician come into my country and lecture me about what he will or will not give us. Arse!
She’s staking a lot on a win for Smith. A bit too confident? Which makes you think she knows something we don’t know… It isn’t inconceivable for Smith to win, I certainly wouldn’t put it past them to find a way of ensuring votes for Corbyn are declared invalid.
We all say things now and again where we haven’t completely thought through the full implications of what we are stating.
However, for a politician to make a statement to the media with something as significant as this!?
We are being told, “‘with the favourite and probable leader, Corbyn, Labour can’t win”. Put more simply, “Labour can’t win”.
I might say it, but for the branch leader in Scotland to say it! Kezia is a great asset to our cause, let’s accept it graciously!
At least Ed Miliband had the decency to resign after he lost the 2015 general election.
What’s Dugdale’s excuse for not resigning after leading Labour to its worst result at Holyrood ending up,third behind the Tories?
Scotland over the past five decades or so has had a majority of Tory governments we didn’t vote for, we didn’t give a mandate to. So we’re used to having Tories rule us when we don’t vote for them. We really must be gluttens for punishment. When this democratic deficit was pointed out during IndyRef#1, we STILL voted No.
Maybe we are just “too stupid”. Or too feart?
“doomed to Conservative rule until at least 2025.”
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The key words are “at least”.
No-one expects Labour to win the next UK election.
And there is NO guarantee they automatically are making a comeback in England, even when Corbyn is dumped.
Labour is dying.
In the wake of the Brexit vote, England is increasingly nationalistic and right wing, and the Tories are regarded as the English National Party.
Labour will no doubt get a new Blairite style leader and turn into the red Tories again – but why would English folks want a watered down Tory party, when they can have the real thing ??
They could be out of power for decades.
Owen Smith is Welsh. He cannot be PM post EVEL. There is literally no point in him even trying, unless he’s to be parachuted into the nearest safe Labour seat in an English constituency.
Would defeated Corbyn supporters still vote Labour ? I have doubts.
Would defeated Blairites remain in Labour under Corbyn. Again I have doubts.
This means a fractured Labour Party unable to garner sufficient numbers for a major opposition. (As now).
Surely the most auspicious time to fully press for indy ref 2 would be after the Labour leadership contest when we would be against a completely fractured Labour dealing with internal recriminations Re assets etc. This brings forward and clarifies the clear choice you have outlined between Tory rule for the next 10 years or indy.
If Labour had a charismatic, intelligent, and media presentable candidate who could sell a left of neo-liberal ticket to the public then fine ignore the membership and backstab Corbyn.
But they do not.
And deposing a leader picked by the membership makes them look, well I shall restrain my language, but its really not a good look.
As for Labour’s British nationalism it has always been far stronger than its socialism. In fact Labour’s adherence to the English class system has turned out stronger than any socialist leanings.
I am old enough to remember when all telly was in black and white. I didn’t pay much attention back then but I remember an often repeated phrase probably bcause I found it funny. “Labour are all over the place on this one” Fifty years on and no change.
Personally, my only concern about Corbyn is what Corbyn can do for Scotland’s democracy if ever elected.
His answer – retain the status quo.
Which, as we all know, isn’t an answer at all.
The more I think about it, if Scotland can’t win an Independence referendum given the certainty of continuous Tory rule for decades, combined with years and years of Brexit uncertainty, then they really have done a job on us.
I’m looking forward to the mandatory reselection meetings in all the CLPs when the boundary commission changes happen in 2018.
Its going to be a bloodbath 😀
Bye bye blairite scum…..
To be fair to Kez, the hard fact is that BBC England in particular just will not allow a leftie progressive Labour anywhere near No.10. Look at how BBC Scotland relentlessly monsters Sturgeon and SNP Scots.gov. At best, Pacific Quay tory’s simply never report anything about Scotland’s 56 SNP in Westminster. And that’s at best. Look at how BBC Scotland news spent weeks trying to destroy Michelle Thomson. Maybe they succeeded.
JC knows this ofcourse, which is why despite JC saying “vote for me and I’ll scrap the Lords,” he then gives us Lady Shami Chakrabarti, who is married to a filthy rich City lawyer. Just one more teamGEnglandB miracle conversion to the red tory dark side?
Roll on the UK Labour Party leadership contest outcome.
That’s all i can say!
A wee tune for Dippy Dug:
Travis – Turn
link to youtube.com
🙂
The English have been so brainwashed to hate everything foreign now, even if Owen Smith was any good, he’s Welsh and in Englands book that makes the man foreign so the guy’s got no chance before he starts
Do we think a Scots person could be PM?
Not under pain of death would they vote for anybody not English now, they’ve seen to that, they don’t mind us foreign folk building their empire, but running it?
Clever little Tories have managed to alienate the World
and they have the temerity to call us unpleasant names!
Cameron and the Tories have successfully created the first time machine and used it on themselves
There’ll be knights in armour next wae big red crosses on their pyjamas while they’re shredding all the Muslims and anybody else who doesn’t conform to the faithfull
Let’s look at this again, even Kez knows that Corbyn is a certainty, she’s not that daft
Could she be positioning herself to do a u-turn when Corbyn wins by forming an autonomous Scottish Labour Party and dare I say it, agreeing that the only way to avoid years of Tory rule is by backing Indy?
I’m glad that Kez is such a muppet. It helps the pro-indy parties no end, quite apart from the entertainment value she provides. I wish her a long career as head of the North British Labour Acounting Unit.
One_Scot says:
23 August, 2016 at 11:59 am
The more I think about it, if Scotland can’t win an Independence referendum given the certainty of continuous Tory rule for decades, combined with years and years of Brexit uncertainty, then they really have done a job on us.
The real question we have got to ask now, is another Scottish independence referendum actually winnable, against the power and glory of tory BBC led UKOK state propaganda. Vote NO Thanks Project Fear 2 will be nothing like we have ever seen before. BBC gets into every home, even JK Rowling can pay for all of Project Fear 2 again from her current account. And what happens if we lose?
Its much the same problem facing Labour members considering voting JC right now. And its why Smith can win.
Iain Macwhirter:
A civil war is the last thing Scottish Labour needs
If Labour MPs and MSPs launch a scorched earth policy it is Nicola Sturgeon who will inherit the desert.
link to archive.is
Serious question, is Ruth Davidson morphing into an internet piss taking Troll?
One_Scot says:
“if Scotland can’t win an Independence referendum given the certainty of continuous Tory rule for decades, combined with years and years of Brexit uncertainty, then they really have done a job on us.”
Indeed. Add to that a pro Indy majority in Holyrood, and if we don’t take Indy under this perfect storm, then may never, ever.
Indyref2 almost certainly will be a once in a lifetime event.
When the starting pistol is fired, we all need to go for it with everything!
My hope is that the stark choice between Indy and Brexit isolationism is laid out, enough folks will opt for Indy. I include in that members, even politicians, among the Unionist parties.
As simple question for Dugdale, when the choice is a simple binary one, ‘whatever makes you think the best future for Scotland lies in the UK as it is, not as you might wish it to be?’
That’s the point. Labour (and LibDems) need to come to terms with London Tory rule and the evolving right wing regime in England. Do they really want to be part of that?
Can Corbyn, as leader of UK Labour,dismiss blairite Kezzy from her position as leader of branch office Scotland?
and maybe just make Dave Anderson boss of all regional branch offices.
ffs, all that needs to happen (as happens every time Kez flip flops) is for her to say (in the unlikely event anyone ever brought this up on a mainstream platform), eh, I don’t remember saying that. You can google it. I don’t think I ever said that. Well, ok, if I did say that, the situation was different then. I think we need to have a debate on this but we can do that after the referendum, in which you should ‘choose Britannia’, ‘vote no’, ‘vote unity’.
NationLibre@12.06
You are absolutely right. Corbyn is a racing certainty to win the leadership contest and Kezia is bound to know it. She also knows he can never win a General Election. So what is the game?
In my opinion she is looking forward to being a big star in a new more centrist grouping of current Labour Party MPs and MSPs. In other words Labour will split into two parties.
Also in my opinion she won’t be converted to Independence, but the split combined with the disarray of the Tories over Brexit makes the SNP the only rational choice for disillusioned Labourites.
Everything is lining up in our favour.
PS Andrew McLean – whisky is spelt this way unless it is Irish?
Kezia will do as she’s told and won’t make a fuss about it, nor will she consider a separate Scottish party because it couldn’t be called the Labour party, the name’s owned by the real Labour party
Maybe the also ran Labours or we used to be Labours or could it be the “Red Conservative and Unionist Labour Party”
Whatever it’ll be it’ll be something she’s been seriously considering for some time for the sake of our wee babies coz that’s what she came into politics for
To make NO difference, sorry A difference
Fireproof Jim
Ta my bad, in my defence, Moths can’t spell.
The English have been so brainwashed to hate everything foreign now, even if Owen Smith was any good, he’s Welsh and in Englands book that makes the man foreign so the guy’s got no chance before he starts
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Just watching the coverage of the Olympic team coming back.
Talking about the ‘heroes’ singing along to ‘God save the Queen’ over the BA jets tannoy..
I don’t think I can remember a time when there has been such a background of UK/English nationalism. Generally seen as one and the same down south.
From the Brexit vote, racist abuse, the everyday xenophobia of the tabloids, to little things like plastering union jacks over everything.. driving licences, food, clothes.. Every second TV show is the Great British whatever.
People used to take the piss out of the Americans for over-the-top nationalism. I think the UK has finally outdone them.
And the irony is we still see the UK nats and Scottish cringers banging on about the SNP being obsessed with flags !!
Firstly, Corbyn must feel like hugging Dipity Dug!
The woman has just about made a bad judgement call on everything that she has ever touched, and then she changed her mind, and then changed her mind, and now seems to be pretty mindless.
Corbyn will be thanking the stars above that she has nominated the loser in the leadership race, and continuing to pray that she holds this opinion until after the election.
The essence of the Red Tory Party/Blairite Bunch is that they have adopted the full Tory philosophy, where the rich get richer and the workers must only be promised Jam tomorrow.
This manifesto pays the Red Tory Leaders Big time, and it is all about them and their ticket on the gravy train express.
Look at Blaire worth £50 million.
Look at Brown spending £10,000 per week on his charity’s expenses travelling the world first class.
Look at “Lord” Darling’s nice wee numbers in the House and with some very well paying bankers.
They are all from expensive schools and universities and have never had any connection with the plight of ordinary working people.
Their game is to infiltrate what was a one Left of centre party and make it Right of centre, and be handsomely rewarded for it.
Labour are a Party that has made it clear, the Party comes before everything.
The majority of their MPs are not willing to work with the leader that the members have voted into power.
Being the largest party at Westminster is more important than having morals, principles or policies that benefit the working classes.
You will see Labour split, as that will be the mission set for the Tory Moles within labour.
It keeps the public’s eyes off the mess the UK is in and the abyss that Brexit will put it in.
It also ensure Tory Governments for the next 2 elections, never mind one.
The good news here is that Scotland will be driven to Independence by the sheer incompetence and greed of Westminster profiteers.
[…] Wings Over Scotland One for the archives Kezia Dugdale in yesterday’s Daily Record on the subject of Jeremy Corbyn: “We […]
Goiny stop telling the morons what they are doing wrong… Sooner or later, the penny will drop.
Then again… the entrenched parties know their entitlements. Perhaps only once the last funeral is held for the last entitled trougher will they realise what went wrong.
And as I write this, a bunch of entitled robins are eating all the bloody grass seeds I put down. Looks like a SLAB dinner party out there. Wish I could post a photo!
I’ve started receiving messages from the SDP- remember them? Has the split already happened? Maybe the other Owen, Lord David of that ilk, can tell us.
Just wait until after Corbyn wins.
Kezia will be telling us how the party is now listening, how she welcomes Corbyn as leader, how keen she is to work with him in order to shake up the establishment, how she and Jeremy working together can bring real change and how those who were lost to them in the past will start to listen and come back to them again. Either that or she’ll maybe take a principled stance and resign as “leader” in Scotland.
We’ve heard all her forked tongue, pro-Corbyn platitudes before. They didn’t wash the last time, and they definitely won’t wash next time. The electorate don’t like political party “leaders” taking them for idiots – they showed that at the last Holyrood and Westminster elections.
If Kez behaves like she has the brains of a cabbage then maybe she´s a plant?
Nothing compared to her interview on the today programme yesterday, got to be heard to be believed!
link to bbc.co.uk (near the end)
Kezia Dugdale, John McTernan, Jim Murphy! Nuff said about Labour.
@call me dave
From McWhirter:
“There have been rumours in Westminster Labour MPs have been having talks with Tory MPs to encourage an early election.
link to archive.is
Deeply shocked so I um. Labour and Tories in cahoots. Tell me it isn’t so.
In this Alice in Wonderland the unionistas find themselves I would not find it impossible for Kezia to be ousted, Tomkins crosses the House and takes the Holyrood leadership position.
Anything could happen in the bext half hour.
Thunderbirds are Go.
A2 said at 1:20 pm:-
“Nothing compared to her interview on the today programme yesterday, got to be heard to be believed!
link to bbc.co.uk (near the end) ”
Dugdale’s interview begins at 02:44:38 .
Thanks for the link. 🙂
‘The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that’s the way to bet’.
Damon Runyon.
The best odds at the bookies?
Corbyn 1/8.
Smith 9/2.
For the non gamblers this makes Corbyn the red hot favourite.
It gets worse. The odds at some gambling dens are:-
Corbyn 1/12
Smith 5/1
This means that if you bet £12 on Corbyn, you would win a measly £1.
Bet Smith, and your return would be £5.
Dugdale knows the odds.
She is using this farce as a Get Out of Jail Card.
When, as expected, Corbyn remains as head of the Party, she can resign as Branch Manager with some sort of principled ‘dignity’. How much failure and rejection by the electorate can a body take?
If indeed the Scottish Branch Office membership has ‘swelled’ from 12000 to ‘around 23000’ because of the Corbyn Effect, then all those Militant infiltrators would organise a pustch against her anyway.
Visiting ‘professorship’ at her old Uni next?
‘Some day, somewhere … a guy is going to come to you and show you a nice brand-new deck of cards on which the seal is never broken, and this guy is going to offer to bet you that the jack of spades will jump out of this deck and squirt cider in your ear. But, son … do not bet him, for as sure as you do you are going to get an ear full of cider.’ Runyon again.
Kezia is about to get an ear full of cider in September.
If the Labour Party splits and it’s Tory Government for the foreseeable, that’s another material change.
Dugdale’s interview – OMG
After listening to the Today interview with that wee rat Robinson it just shows how fuckin thick Duddale is
@Onwards
We are doomed to Tory Rule forever unless of course we ditch the Union. Even if by some miracle Brit Nat Labour ever does get back into power well we know it will be a shower of Tory bastards leading them.
“We can’t pin our hopes on a leadership who speak only to the converted, rather than speaking to the country as a whole.
I don’t think Jeremy can unite our party and lead us into government. He cannot appeal to a broad enough section of voters to win an election.”
Surely Kezia Dugdale’s talking about herself there. Okay, she got the name wrong, but maybe she’s just jet-lagged after her trip to Band Camp.
I think this might make you smile. The artist Taxi Driver goes ballistic about Corbyn, Labour liars and the media.
link to youtube.com
kezia was pitiful last night on stv..as ever john mackay did litle or nothing to ask any pertinent questions of her after her disappearance act over the summer…another branch office flop who has made little impact on scottish politics..backing the losers time and time again, its woeful to watch but her little girl lost act is fooling no one…the electorate wont forgive or forget their alliance during indy 1 and hq knows its on to a hiding to nothing up north so have cut the support strings but havent told kez yet..
Do we think KD will even be leader in Scotland by then she already stretching the six months life cycle of SLAB leader back stabing the next leader of the HQ party may not be wise for her leadership longevity prospects.
Interesting that she feel she should sacrifice the core instinct of labour voter in Scotland to make the party in England electable yet again labour leadership disregard the will if their membership in Scotland considering it a secondary to success in England.
You could not get a clear “know your place Scotland” delivery by any political voice but this was by the leader of SLAB
She’s some lass!
She has never, ever learned. She continually makes statements without thinking that either come back to bite or are literally the kiss of death. I’ve lost count now as to how many times she has gotten something horribly wrong or been on the wrong end of a terrible defeat.
Everyone in Scotland can see that Jeremy Corbyn has the backing of grassroot supporters. They know that most of his principles are shared by those of a socialist persuasion …and yet, Kezia backs Smith. Owen Smith …a man who endorses the policies of Tony Blair and is now promising this, that and everything if he is elected. And yet, deep down, most folk know that it is just words. If Smith is elected, the Blairites will sigh in relief, and the right-wing agenda begins again. And this is who Kezia backs. A man who back Blairite policies when Scotland can’t stand Blairite policies.
She vanished for 5 odd weeks in the greatest political crisis in 300 years. And yet, no one asked where she was. In fact, let’s be honest here …no-one even noticed that she was missing!
She also oversaw the greatest defeat of Scottish Labour in the Scottish elections EVER …finishing 3rd behind the Tories in a country that is an anti-Tory!!! Utter humiliation heaped on Kezia’s shoulders while Ruth Davidson laughed her socks off! Ruth even had the audacity to ride bare-back on a buffalo in a stunt that could have been a PR disaster. How the hell do you lose to someone who rides a buffalo in a nation that has socialism engraved in its DNA and your party is perceived to be socialist?!?! How?!?!?
The only way to sum it up is that Kezia is like the kiss of death. She backed the Tory agenda in the 2014 Referendum and saw it as a victory even though her party had just shot itself in the head by angering and alienating most of the nation. Anything she tries to back, endorse or take control off is going to end in defeat, disaster and derision.
With her backing Owen Smith at the moment …well, if I were him, I would begin writing my concession speech right now…
O/T
Is there no escape from The BBC’s Olympic Propaganda Boreathon and the continuing ‘Isn’t GB Wonderful?’ tsunami in the dead tree media? When will it stop? 1966 was bad enough but this is horrific.
It all puts Leno Riefenstal to shame with her pathetic 1936 effort.
Kezia’s words:
“We can’t pin our hopes on a leadership who speak only to the converted, rather than speaking to the country as a whole.
Ha, ha, ha. This is truly hilarious! Is Ms Dugdale ever listening to what comes out of her mouth at all?
I mean, with her continuous whining (almost as loud as Ruth’s), strops and tantrums against ‘another independence referendum’ is she not consistently and deliberately attempting to silence half of the country in Scotland?
It is truly remarkable this ability that the red Tories have to always perceive that the smell of other’s crap is always stronger even when the one they are carrying themselves is over 20 times bigger.
Kezia’s words
I don’t think Jeremy can unite our party and lead us into government. He cannot appeal to a broad enough section of voters to win an election.”
Ha, ha, ha. Was this meant to be a joke???
I mean, really, does this lady’s brain actually process any of what comes out of her mouth or does she have some sort of earpiece at all times from where the Tory coup headquarters are telling her what to say?
I mean, 500,000 members and counting, gatherings of tens-of-thousand-crows under Corbyn’s leadership, compared to… well…, how many dozens of followers of Slab in Scotland under Kezia’s pretend play lead?
Really, if we don’t laugh is because we don’t want to. The unionist political class together with their supporting so called ‘reporters’ are quickly becoming the finest comedians of the 21st century.
Leni
Its funny how she never resigned when it was proven at the last election that she was totally unelectable. She is a fraud and a stupid arse to boot.
Gus1940
There is a BBC radio 4 program called more or less, their conclusions to the success, a lift from the last games before, as is shown statistically for every country, and the fact that team gb didn’t break records but did better than the rest (obviously) but was summed up as “it wasn’t we did well but every one else did so badly” well it was on the BBC so must be true!
If the blairites split from the liebor party in the event of a Corbyn win. What will they call themselves? The ” real new bliar liebour party?
Nation Libre says:
23 August, 2016 at 12:06 pm
“Could she be positioning herself to do a u-turn when Corbyn wins by forming an autonomous Scottish Labour Party and dare I say it, agreeing that the only way to avoid years of Tory rule is by backing Indy?”
This would be the move of a smart and calculating politician. It would allow them to form an autonomous party – ensuring their future in Scotland – and also to distance themselves from the tories, wiping off the public perception that having similar views to the tories with regards to independence gives Ruth and co some sort of ‘hold’ on Slab.
However, judging by the nonsense that often comes out of her mouth and the kamikaze approach taken by the Slab since she took over, I do not believe the depth of Kezia’s thought and ability to cold planning reach the minimum levels required to enact such strategy. Put simply, she is comes across as rather shallow.
Jeezo,
The Purple Tories, still don’t get it.
Attila Blair’s Labour was guilty of war crimes, which went against the whole ethos of the Labour Party.
Mr Corbyn is the only one who can bring some normality back to them.
Owen Smith is a poor mans FUD Murphy, “and that’s saying something”.
I personally couldn’t give a toss what happens to Labour when Scotland is Independent, but at the present time the UK is FUKD, unless there is a moral labour party in Westminster.
Dipity Deadwood “the name says it all”
They come to bury Corbyn, not to praise him.
Dugdale’s pronouncements are remarkable not for their lack of political guile, but for their child-like naivety.
Alex Clark: “Deeply shocked so I um. Labour and Tories in cahoots. Tell me it isn’t so.”
🙂
If Corbyn wins, Dugdale doesn’t think he can win the 2020 election.
There’s 4 more years before then to get another leader.
4 more attempts.
The Labour Party will shred itself to prove this point.
@galamcennalath
Why wait? the next IndyRef campaign will not be a long one. So we need to manufacture support for Indy BEFORE it is called. RIC is gearing up to do just that, we don’t need Nicola’s permission, we don’t have to consult the SNP, we are doing it.
If RIC isnae your cup of tea then form/join an independent Yes group and get going. The Yes Campaign has been broken free of the SNP, half of it last time paid no attention anyway.
We need to get out chapping doors and speaking to folk, not browbeating them, ask how they are feeling about things post Brexit and let things go from there. If the subject of them being No last time comes up tell that’s alright and you hope they will think again. Smile and be pleasant and as engaging as you can be (more fun than being grumpy).
Look out for news frae Dundee, we’re moving in the Yes City.
Land of no hope and Tory.
Come on sing and wave your little flag and pretend tha all is well in your little inward looking world.
I don’t want any part of it.
Bit of a misunderstanding here about what Kezia Dugdale is thinking; She isn’t positioning herself for a position post Corbyn win, or holding a position she’ll reverse later… quite the opposite again, and you’re making a mistake trying to fit her into a pro-Indy, Scottish based perspective when it’s purely about the balance of factions within the Labour Party.
What is actually happening is that the Blairite wing know full well Corbyn is a principled man. And they’re taking advantage of that; he has only removed one of the rebels from their position, when it became obvious they were about to launch the coup. But he wants to hang on to as many Labour MPs as he can, because his main goal is to defeat the Tories. He’s going to take all the personal abuse for the greater good, he’ll offer out the hand of friendship when all of this is over to try and hold Labour together and the Tories to account.
So from the Blairite perspective, they can’t lose. The worst that happens is they get to stay in the Labour Party and continue to undermine Corbyn. And they think, with the entire media behind them, they’ll be able to get him eventually.
Of course, this ignores both the Community Labour Parties and the Regional ones like Scotland; but Dugdale et all really, really aren’t thinking of that at all. Their world is Westminster and the media circus around it. They believe if they can control that, everything else will fall into line.
In fact, breaking the Labour Party in Scotland is a good thing, from their perspective. They’d rather it fail short term, and then be re-built in the Blairite model again than let the it go back to it’s working class roots. And when the only opposition in Scotland will be SNP or Tory, both of which don’t appeal to a large part of the core Labour vote, they think the electorate will come crawling back to them as the official opposition eventually.
It may not, because given the choice between hard Toryism and Scots Nationalism, the core Labour vote may break to Nationalism as the lesser evil. But a party which is tracking it’s own member’s social media posting in an attempt to remove their voting rights really, really doesn’t understand that perspective is the more likely outcome. They honestly think that the electorate can be abused without end. Hence Dugdale continues to monster Corbyn, because the idea of things not getting back to the Status Quo is beyond her…
All our local labour party want to do is dish dirt and build shopping centres full of empty shops crowd of hsabeens!