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    1. yesindyref2 says:

      Here’a another couple, time to get rid of the UK, I’m the one on the right or left, and I think that’s Lucia at the Joanna.

      Used that one or at least the title during Indy Ref 1, time to blow the dust off. And one for luck, yes it’s boring played these before so what. I’m the one on the right, and then the one on the left on the clockwork.

    2. Gary45% says:

      Hi All, Any of you in the Glasgow area looking for a night out Tues 4th, pop along to the Glad Café. James Kirby is playing there, he is well worth a listen.
      If you are in the Inverness area he is playing at La Tortilla Asesina on the Wed 5th.
      Please check out his website for details.

    3. Thepnr says:


      For for the Ian Brotherhood link and the wee video clip 🙂

      Many thanks for all the links. Oh, and a belated Happy Birthday!

    4. Nana says:


      You are very welcome Alex, I’m only too happy to promote one of our own 🙂

      As for the birthday, perhaps it’s best to gloss over it. I mean another year older 🙁

      While I’m here, belated birthday wishes to Capella. I believe she is also a St Andrews day bairn.

    5. Thepnr says:

      A belated Happy Birthday to Capella too then 🙂

      It would have been my brothers birthday the day before yours and my Dad’s birthday the day after. They both still live with me in my memory though and that’s all that counts.

    6. Thepnr says:

      If any of the regulars missed nana’s link to Ian B’s “advert” for the Buchanan Galleries where his paintings are on show here it is again.

      If you’re a weegie or in the area you should rop by and have a peek, might give you something to wind him up about if your not too impressed LOL.

      Best of luck Ian in the venture and to all the other artists in the gallery, if we can’t support out own home grown Scottish artists then who will we support?

    7. Liz g says:

      While we are oan the subject.. O’ Birthdays

      It’s my Birthday today… and while I
      totally understanding that it may not be possible… My Birthday wish is for a wee shout out from my dear friend Smallaxe… We haven’t crossed paths in the longest time,and I am hoping that we keep in touch here on off topic…….Because truth be told…
      We are both completely shit at tryin to meet up at any marches or gatherings,it is honestly farcical… Either way I live in hope!!

    8. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Happy Birthday Liz G!

    9. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      My favourite song of all time (and originally flip side to Buddy Holly’s “Heartbeat”) beautifully done by Lyle Lovatt. I’m going to see if it can be done in gaelic.

    10. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Yo’all might have guesed by now that I (like all proper folk) am addicted to Buddy Holly

    11. Thepnr says:

      Happy Birthday Liz g 🙂

    12. Liz g says:

      Dave McEwen Hill @ 8.25
      Why..that was just wonderful.
      I’ve shared it widely,and,I hope everyone does the too!!

      Brian & Alex..
      Thank You for the Birthday wishes.XXX

    13. Shinty says:

      DMH – nice video thanks.

      Q. 21 Billion Construction industry?
      Seems a lot and something we never hear about, anyone confirm the figure please.

    14. The Milngavie Fox says:

      Bye! Pete Shelley. Another big hero gone.So many good memories though. Nostalgia for an age yet to come.

    15. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Dave McEwan Hill.

      That mega-url you posted above. You only actually needed,

      which I copied from yours. Nice video though!

    16. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Liz g –

      Belated birthday air-kisses to you!


      P.S. You never do know, Smallaxe may pop in at any time. Well, we can hope!

    17. Gary45% says:

      Hi troops,
      You tube “shittyflutes Christmas songs,” it will cheer you up with all the shit that is going on in the world.

    18. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Something that’s been buzzin’ roon ma heid over the past 48 hours… So I posted it on my Facebook page.

      Once you get your head round this, you have a better understanding of how politics work in the UK.

      Most people think there is a handful of “big” political parties, like the Tories, Labour, Lib-Dems and so on. This is where the actual facts are hidden, by something (the three party system) that we plebs can take on board and understand.

      The truth is that the UK is run by the “British Establishment” for its own benefit – not for the benefit of the people of the UK. The British Establishment wields its power through its political wing, known as the British Unionist Movement (BUM).

      This BUM has two components; the left cheek is represented by the Labour Party and the right cheek is represented by the Tories. The Lib-Dems are the useless dangleberry, sitting between the other two cheeks.

      Once you get your head round that, you can understand why the left cheek abstained on the proposals for ‘welfare reform’ put forward by the right cheek. The reforms removed wealth from the plebs and transferred it to the British Establishment. The dangle berry has to go with whatever makes it feel most comfortable.

      So, when you vote for any of those three parties, you are voting for the BUM, whose job is to preserve the authority of the British Establishment.

      When you vote for a different party, like the Greens or the SNP or the Monster Raving Loonies, or whatever, the BUM starts quivering, because that’s not how things are supposed to be. So, to upset the BUM, you now know how to vote in any future election!

    19. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Brian Doonthetoon at 9.54


    20. Liz g says:

      Ian Britherhood @ Dec 8th 2.37pm
      Thank You Ian.
      And, yes fingers crossed oor Smallaxe will pop back in and say hi…

    21. CameronB Brodie says:

      Brian Doonthetoon
      Cheers Brian. Just taking a wee break from the trolls and the yoonstream. 😉

      “5” Royales – Slummer the Slum

    22. CameronB Brodie says:

      Has the BBC in Scotland ever said anything negative about Brexit and the inherant English despotism it appears to convey? The thing is, the principle of a liberal society is that it seeks to maximise individual and collective “agency”. Agency isn’t optional, it’s vital to good mental and phsycal health. British nationalism shits on that, Britnattery being an expansionist and increasingly authoritarian form of English nationalism. As such, tough titty for all non-residents of England, as you have no human rights other than those defined by Westminster – a parliment dominated by English MPs. Colonialism in the 21st century, who’d have thunk it?

      Remember kids, Scotland has no culture and Scots are not genetically programmed to make important decisions.


    23. Cactus says:

      What a beautiful day hey hey 🙂

      Been listening in to the H of Commons comedy show on the wireless radio all afternoon… makes ye think that May was maybe trying to ‘fear-shock’ the politicians intae voting for her deal quickly, but lacking their obvious support had always planned to take the vote off of the immediate table.

      Do ye’s remember the last two lines of the iFamous poem…

      – Then Scotland laughs at them
      – Then we WIN

      Only everybuddy is NOW laughing at Westminster!

      Many happy returns to all the birthday Wingers x

      Hey iScot, thx for my latest iScot, came through the post this morning, Lovely Sligachan Bridge on the cover and Blaze n co up at The Applecross Inn, plus a bumper bonus Big Yin!

    24. Cactus says:

      Hey iScot, aye was looking at the other iScot there…

      Issue 48’s front cover is at the summit of Ben Tianavaig.

      There are two rings to rear…


    25. Cactus says:

      Might one also add congratulations on your 4th Anniversary Edition iScot.

      Choose Scotland – Big Enough. Smart Enough. Rich Enough.

      Hey Breeks, looks like Scotland will be asserting and exercising her independent sovereignty come Thursday. It’s all about Scotland’s internationally recognised and respected sovereign authority.

      BREAKING: Share prices in cornfields are rising in value.

      PM being mocked in the hoose right now….

    26. Cactus says:

      Speaking of the number 48 and that number being the minimum number of no confidence letters to be able to oust May…

      Who’s to say, if there’s just one guy that’s tasked with receiving these letters (with naebody else seeing them) what’s the chances that there are already well over that number and he’s just not declaring.

      There COULD be well over 60 letters lodged to oust May already.

      Who is he accountable to… scrutiny?

    27. Cactus says:

      And NOW… it’s TIME for some Q&A:

      Q. What do call a single piece of popcorn?
      A. A unicorn 🙂

      There may be more…

    28. Cactus says:

      Let’s go deeper:

      Q. What came first?

      – The chicken, or
      – The egg

      A. Neither, twas the shell that came first.

      Have a think about that one, thinkers. 😉

    29. Cactus says:

      Next time aye goto the cinema ahm asking for a bag of sweet unicorns hehe.


    30. Cactus says:

      Sugar coated unicorns, mmm, NOW there’s a new sweetie if there ever was one.

      Fizzy and zinghy!


    31. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Cactus.

      You seem to be here, if not all here…

      Onnyhoo, I posted this comment earlier today – I thought it was rather pertinent, considering last night’s “debate” about swearing but it seems to have been lost in the flood of posts since.
      It was on the “the-stoned-roses” page. I thought the link was rather amusing. I did a similar thing years ago, using Apple’s ‘text-to-speech’ feature on Macs.

      Brian Doonthetoon says:
      10 December, 2018 at 6:53 am

      RE: ‘swearie words’…

    32. Cactus says:

      Evening Brian how do, aye, jist tick-talking along nicely.

      The Art of Swearing 🙂

      Who knows what new hell Westminster will be ra morra!

    33. Tinto Chiel says:

      My laptop suddenly gave up the ghost after only 30 months a few days ago chiz chiz and so I have been weeding my i-Pad’s gander bag in a “close the stable door after the horse has bolted” kinda way.

      This may be the first in an occasional series of old favourites to keep our mood light after a day of colossal meltdown for the Tories and the Establishment. Love faux Silvrikin Boy and the “And the cry went up, “Pish!”

    34. Tinto Chiel says:

      Weird but very Scottish: get to Glen Lyon, Poindexters.

    35. Cactus says:

      Evening Tinto, same here, guid luck wae yer laptop, ahm in the process of buying a new laptop. Aye previously bought a Dell laptop from John Lewis, but it turned out to be a lemon and was returned forthwith.

      From looking at their online range, HP seems popular.

      Any recommendations welcomed Wingers.

    36. Tinto Chiel says:

      A very brave woman at a time when they didn’t have the vote but knew what rent-racking landlords were , while their husbands were “fighting for our country” and dying in large numbers for the ruling class.

    37. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Cactus.

      Get yourself a decent Mac!

      Onnyhoo, the pair of you…

      Further on swearing…

    38. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      BTW: Morris Heggie was the editor of The Dandy.

    39. Tinto Chiel says:

      Hi, Cactus, Winger Extraordinaire and minstrel de nos jours (yer actual French).

      Had the opposite: my HP just gave out and all sorts of cyber experts have hymned “Dell” at me. It’s a funny old game, young man, and I’m totally bulgared.

      But not as bulgared asTreeza, of course.

      Like yourself, I need some recommendations, but not Apple Mac, they’re too dear and all my files are Word.


      I reserve the right to inflict more favourites on an unsuspecting public.

      Scrollers, awake!

    40. Tinto Chiel says:

      All the history you’ll ever need:

    41. Brian Doonthetoon says:



      You’ve been absorbing the pro-microsloth/anti-Apple propergunduh, iye?


    42. Tinto Chiel says:

      Someone’s got a good anthem, and I speak from someone living in the the heart of the Welsh Old North: Cadzow, ya bass!

    43. Tinto Chiel says:

      BDTT: I can be taught but defo can’t afford a Mac. All contributions to #Tinto Ents, please.

      When I was a worker, I was once provided with a lovely Apple Mac which did everything in a user-friendly and logical way. Then my employer out-sourced the computing to a bunch of scoundrels who chained us to dreck machines and doleful speeds.

      Ou sont les neiges d’antant, ya bass?

    44. Cactus says:

      Hehe current gammon caller on lbc just compared the PM to their previous PM. Aye knew they had something in common, grunt like a pig oinky hehe.

    45. Cactus says:

      Lbc live at W.. see how Westminster is in such disarray, could we suspend their parliament and run the show frae Edinburgh?

      It’s an emergency efter awe.


    46. Tinto Chiel says:

      The Hopi and the other nations were correct more than a hundred years ago. Takes the “civilised world” a lot longer to catch up. That’s me for the night.

    47. Cactus says:

      BREAKING…hehe the tampering of the mace at the hoose, politician ejected!

    48. Cactus says:

      Watershed again, taps aff!

    49. hackalumpoff says:

      @ Tinto if only Aberlour did laptops !

      Cracked it yet ?

    50. Tinto Chiel says:

      @hackalumpoff: that is an outrageous suggestion, sirrah, which I refute completely!

      Just booted up my Old Pulteney Generation6Borg interwebthingy. FFS, it’s fast!

      Ya bass!

    51. Cactus says:


      WOS post MMMMM is a coming soon…

      Maybe tonight, maybe tomorrow, maybe Wednesday, maybe jeudi.

      Maybe NOW.

    52. Tinto Chiel says:

      Listen and weep: last for ce soir, Poindexters.

    53. Cactus says:

      Hey Ian B, if it’s a quiet day at Westminster ra morra, knot, hehe, the next WOS post might not even be an article, it may be one of Rev’s favourite tunes for us all to sing and dance to 🙂

      Let’s call it… “take and shake your mace” if you don’t have a mace to hand, a baseball bat will suffice.

      Roll on 5,000.


    54. Cactus says:

      Wireless radio just said and referred to the “ceremonial mace…”

      SO we were correct all along, if the mace is only ceremonial and not REAL, that means that the United Kingdom is indeed only of a ceremonial set up (literally)

      Sovereignty’s coming HOME, it’s coming HOME…

      It’s always been there since Day One.

      NOW it’s time for recognition time.

      iScotland’s the real thing.

    55. Cactus says:

      For your pleasure, one is demonstrating 3 things tonight in association with some recent reader requests.

      Can you tell… isn’t it a most delightful evening one and all.

      AYE but wait till aye change hat…


    56. Cactus says:

      Yes ahm gonnae wait till ra midnight hour of D-day 2018.

      That’s when ra Tories come a tumalin doon.

      We are at the eleventh hour…

      Anything could happen!

    57. cearc says:


      Thursday. In-patient? The parallel universe of Raigmore?

      I shall be entering that realm on thursday for a few days ward 5A.

    58. cearc says:

      ‘Ceremonial Mace’. Well it certainly looks like a pretty fancy spray can.

    59. Tinto Chiel says:

      Best wishes, cearc. Have missed your trenchant apercus of late.

      Further, picks from my faves:

    60. Tinto Chiel says:

      And for intellechools, wherever youse are in Scotland:

    61. Tinto Chiel says:

      Since it’s Christmas.

      Last for the night.

    62. Nana says:


      Just a day out at the rheumatology unit, ugh!

      Sorry to hear you have an actual stay. Hoping all goes well, and sending good vibes your way xx

    63. cearc says:

      Well have a great day out. Not my first choice for a day oot but I guess it’s a bit chilly for a picnic on the beach.

      Thanks, TC.
      Roderick MacKenzie, what a hero, eh!

    64. Tinto Chiel says:

      More from the crypt: these are the trogs we are up against. Those of a nervous disposition should not follow the link.

      May contain nuts:

    65. Tinto Chiel says:

      One of my favourite squeezes:

      “Elm hate the man and waiteth.”

    66. Tinto Chiel says:

      Not the Glasgow you may know:

      Cactus: I may Dell.


    67. Tinto Chiel says:

      Strange but seasonal:

      Night all.

    68. Tinto Chiel says:

      My 9.50 should have ended “Man hateth Man and waiteth.”


    69. Tinto Chiel says:

      Sorry, just had to share this fascinating document:

    70. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Tinto Chiel.

      Did you bookmark that (Dundickshonary) when I (maybe) posted it here in the past?

      I think I also posted this link at some point.

      DEEP JOY!

    71. Tinto Chiel says:

      @BDTT: of course it was yourself who posted it originally and it went straight into my faves. It could only have been yourself or That There Thepnr, and he’s no fae Dundee, eh/ken? A fascinating glossary which repays much study, so thanks again.

      My Uncle Samantha (name has been changed to protect the innocent) looked remarkably like Mr Unwin and for that reason I have a sentimental attachment to the latter’s strange linguistic groovings and stylings, although my uncle was more of a Lobey Dosser man himself.

      Last selections from my pruned gander bag later tonight.

      The Nation holds its collective breath…….


    72. Tinto Chiel says:

      Don’t listen alone:


    73. Cactus says:

      Hey Ghillie and anybuddy around Edinburgh tomorrow.

      Gonna go walkabout in the big city, check out the festive market, sample some of the seasonal wine, maybe go on the Big Wheel, maybe go skating in the weekend snow (do ye still do an ice-rink?)

      Drinks at 7…

    74. Cactus says:

      Edinburgh, come and visit us… it all began ne’er last 17th:

      Let us celebrate the reason for the season…

      Santana and his siblings 🙂

      Come and join us.

      Oh the Joy!

    75. Cactus says:

      Come and join us in off topic, it’s Friday night, everything gonna be aweright, enter dj’s…

      Hey Tinto, aye ordered me up a new computer happy me like, delivery imminent… ahm gonnae try tae post anither music video from me moby (ah’ve got tae re-edit the pathline to comply, aye think)

      Try once more, like you did before Scotland:

      Yes 2 NOW.

    76. Cactus says:

      “Sing a new song, indy Scotland…”

      Whaddya think Jock Scot?

      Let’s do a duo.



    77. Cactus says:

      Ahm listening to the BBC Radio Scotland the now, they just did a double play of Chris Rea’s… Driving HOME for Christmas on to The Road to Hell hahaha, how true.

      Still Nick Cave and co are on NOW.

    78. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Another wee poem inthe Glasgow dialect


      Haw Jinty, goat a fright doon the chip shoap wi Mae
      The sit-in wiz busy – it wiz benefits day
      Wee Elvis McGucken wiz gobbling his chips.
      (His maw wiz a fan o’ thay gyrating hips).
      He gobbled too fast as he gulped doon the coke
      And help ma boab, Jinty, he started tae choke.

      His maw,thon wee Bernadette,fae Paisley Road West
      Pit her fag oot an’ started thumping his chest.
      “Haw Bernie” oor Mae said “ yir oan the wrang track
      He needs turning ower and thumped oan his back.”
      Noo oor Mae learnt First Aid wi’ the Eastern Star
      But she’d always help onybody, fenians nae bar.

      “Sees over tae me coz he’s turning a’ blue”
      Says oor Mae,”and ah’ll def-in-ite-ly sort it the noo.”
      She hung him heid doon and thumped oan his back
      But the wee bugger turnt white despite mony a whack
      Well Jinty ah’ll tell ye, there’s mony a fright
      But never like watching wee Elvis’s plight.

      But a gent at next table – wi a special fish tea
      Real posh and weel dressed said “leave it to me”
      Grabbed the lad by the goolies and gave them a squeeze
      And help ma boab,Jinty, he stairtit tae wheeze
      And a few seconds later and you’d hardly believe
      Through snotter and chewed chips he stairtit to breathe

      Well, Bernie stopped greetin’ and hugged her wee lad
      The rest o’ us recovered fae the fright that we’d had
      The posh chap went back to his special fish tea
      Oor Mae addressed him “A doctor you’ll be?”
      “Well no” he replied “but the technique’s not new
      I’m working just now for Inland Revenue”.

    79. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi peeps.

      One before I turn in tonight. When I opened it my son immediately recognised it. He opined that Kylie had a good voice for “gothic” stuff.

      Not a widely publicised track – I came across it on a Gothic compilation in the 90s.

    80. Cactus says:

      Ahm on a train, ah can’t complain.

      Will give you a shout when ahm in da big Edinburgh city if you’re about furra festive drink Ghillie.

      There be cold front a blowin’ in.


    81. Macart says:

      @Nana and Smallaxe

      Be well you two. I think we’re getting near that time and we need the A-Team in fine form. 🙂

    82. Cactus says:

      Hey Macart, dat’s me in the Big Yin… moseying on down and all around.

      Market v busy, so infurrapint the NOW.

    83. Cactus says:

      Hey Ghillie, ahm in the place where we awe were after the march if yer footloose.

      Everybuddy get…

    84. Macart says:


      You take care out there fella and have a good one. 🙂

    85. Cactus says:

      Cheers Macart, ahm somwhere else NOW, the band are just about 2 start, have an excellent evening.

      Ahm a goin’ back IN.

    86. cearc says:

      Have fun, cactus. Lots of fun! (You’ve got too have fun for me too, ‘cos I can’t right now.)

    87. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi peeps.

      Just trying something…

      Seems to work. Might use that in future for odd stuff.

    88. yesindyref2 says:

      What happens is that before they overstay their welcome they introduce another name and post simple stuff with that to get established for a few weeks, then ramp up the main one and disappear, sometimes for good, sometimes till they hope we forget them.

      I’m Nellie the elephant, I packed my trunks and ran away to the circus!

    89. Ian Foulds says:

      This lady appeared on one of the Rev’s threads.

      If we follow her logic the equal Union Country (and the other two), should just stop voting.

      Elinor Burleigh
      But it was a UK vote! Irrelevant how each home nation voted individually.

    90. Marie Clark says:

      Hi folks, just popped in to say hello. I haven’t been commenting for a wee while. Just had enough of everything. The MT is full of trolls, and ithers moanin aboot folk swearing, or aboot Cactus drunken ramblings.

      Dear god, ignore the trolls, and those that engage with them. Well most of us swear at sometimes, usually with exasperation. If ye dinnae like Cactus’s ramblings, dinnae read them. Then they’ll say well it doesn’t encourage no voters to see all this. Ah, jist gies peace wid ye. Live and let let live. Grrrrr.

      Sorry for the we rant, feel better now. Onywho, how is a’body, are ye gettin ready fur the festive? I’ve been pittin up the tree and sortin oot cairds and things. Cheerier than whit else is goin oan. It could make a person tak tae the drink, but, I’ve resisted so far.

      I see Nana’s having to take a bit of a rest, she’s a very busy wummin way a’ that she diz. What about Smallaxe, I see he’s missing, is he not too grand at the moment or just having a wee rest? Anyway, Nana and Smallaxe and families, love to all of you and wish you all the best for the coming festive season.

      Ah right, I have to go now, having folk in for a meal later, got to get on. See you later, Byeeee.

    91. Tinto Chiel says:

      Hi, Marie.

      Yes, between the Puritans and the Trolls, the M/T doesn’t have its problems to seek at times. I was tempted to go on to You Tube and link to a Derek and Clive sketch by Peter Cook and Dudley Moore, e.g. “This bloke came up to me” but I chickened out.

      Harvey’s helping me doing my Christmas wrapping but he’s in a mood just now because it’s hardly snowed Where We Are and he bought some snow shoes on e-Bay last month.

      Have a great Crimbo.

    92. Marie Clark says:

      Oh Tinto, I’m sorry that Harvey is in a mood. We did not get any snow down here, but the rain was of biblical proportions. I reckon I’ll have webbed feet soon at this rate.

      I’ll send Harvey a big cuddle and some carrots, will that maybe cheer him up?

      I’ve just not long got the visitors away after the meal, so I’m needing a wee seat and a cup of tea to revive me.

      Merry Christmas to you and yours.

    93. cearc says:

      TC, Ach, poor wee Harvey a sherry, that’ll cheer him up.

    94. Tinto Chiel says:

      Dear Laydees,

      You are very kind but I do not normally allow Harvey access to a) cuddles b) alcohol, as, in my experience, disaster is only a frapped amontillado away.

      A strict regimen of carrots and bracing moorland walks is the best option, believe me.

      Relax, now, Marie and cearc, I hope you are on the mend.

      Gotta go: if Harvey finds the bay rum in the hut it could be a long evening.

    95. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Marie Clark –

      Aw the bestest to you and yours Marie.

      Totally get where you’re coming from re MT, it’s very tiresome.

      Still, this remains a haven, so more power to TC, BDTT and the others who keep it going.


    96. Marie Clark says:

      Awe thanks Ian, I’m glad I’m not the only one. Some days I think I must be going off my head, but, I don’t really think that it’ me.

      MT is bonkers at times just now with the usual suspects, and some new britnat trolls. I suppose it shows the panic going on among them, which is good, but damned wearing.

      Anyway Ian, aw ra best for the festive to you and yours. Cheers.

    97. Marie Clark says:

      I see that Corbyn has been playing at The Grand Old Duke of York again, sigh.

      Onywho, here’s a wee Christmas tune for a’body, well except Harvey as TC says he’s no allowed stroang drink. Oh aye, and ye’ll need tae bring yer ain paracetamol. Slaite.

    98. Tinto Chiel says:

      Not a lot of people know about this:

      More parts of it have been discovered very recently.

      It’s impossible to know what knowledge was lost with the burning down of the library at Alexandria: thanks, Julius Caesar.

    99. Tinto Chiel says:

      Afternoon, soffisticates. An old favourite from my cyber-gander-bag:

      All very ambiguous, of course: “dark and deep” is a bit unsettling and “sleep”, well, I’ll leave you to muse thereon.

      Smallaxe used to say I had a tortured poetic soul trapped in a male model’s body and who was I to gainsay the Seer on Sark?

      Come on, Harvey, let’s make some Yule log……

    100. Tinto Chiel says:

      “…..he also likened me to this:”

      Shoulda been, obvs.

    101. cearc says:

      The Antikythera mechanism is something that I would really like to see, it is a really cool gizmo.

    102. Tinto Chiel says:

      Cearc:I think most of it looks like just a lump of corroded metal but it has been analysed brilliantly by the use of x-rays etc.

    103. Tom Busza says:

      Very much Off Topic but may be of interest in how well the Scots are regarded worldwide and not in the most obvious of places.

      Whilst living in Colombia for a couple of years not so long back, I was taken to a place called Puente de Boyacá. This was the site of the last great battle faught by Simón Bolívar and his independence forces and the forces of Spain, the extant rulers of most of South America at the time.

      The battle took place in August, 1819.

      Bolívar had sent emissaries to Europe to recruit more fighters for his cause. The Napoleonic wars had ended at Waterloo in 1815 and there were many soldiers of various nationalities at a loose end.

      About 5000 veterans answered the call, mainly Scots and Irish who had nowhere to call home) with a few Germans. These formed the British Legion.

      Anyway back to the Battle of Puente de Boyacá. Bolívar had seen how effective the “British” legion was and realised where its strength lay. He started to call it “la Legion escocesa” (The Scottish Legion). He sent this legion in to battle first with great effect.

      Needless to say, Bolívar’s fortces won the day at Puente de Boyacá and thus was born the republic of Gran Colombia, later to become Colombia, Venezuela and Panama. Bolivia was born and then Peru, Chile and Ecuador were liberated under Bernardo O’Higgins (yes, honestly!)

      Back to my visit to the battlesite, very manicured and loads of monuments everywhere (nothing like Culloden), I, along with my female companion(French/Colombian) were standing by what looked like a very poor cairn with a bronze plaque.

      The plaque was a dedication to “La legion Escocesa” commemorating all that had died there.

      We were appraoched by a man in uniform, a member of the policia turistica (don’t worry, they are just very well versed tourist guides). He asked where I was from. As soon as I said Scotland all hell was let loose… he quickly called his bosses on his walkie-talkie and we were led to an office at the edge of the site. The captain of the policia turistica produced a bottle of Johnnie Walker blue label (not exactly cheap) and a very good time was had by all for a couple of hours. Someone even produceed a tape of a pipe band playing Scotttish Soldier which was played over the site tannoy system.

      I wish I still had that photo of the bronze plaque. It disappeared whemn I had a major hard drive failure. before a backup :(.

      Anyway, it also explains why there so many names of Scottish origin in that part of Colombia (e.g. Cambello = Campbell).

      Just a thought

    104. Tinto Chiel says:

      Another memory of Prague:

      I visited the synagogue where it was supposed to have resided.

      The Jewish Cemetery must be one of the saddest places on earth.

    105. Tinto Chiel says:

      Tony, may I reciprocate with this?

      You may be aware of these but Douglas is worth a visit for anyone of Polish ancestry.

    106. Tinto Chiel says:

      Spotted this in Falkand, Fife in February this year too:

    107. Thepnr says:

      @Tom Busza

      That was a great wee story, again I have learned something that I had not a clue about. Cheers.

    108. Welsh Sion says:

      My last full day of 2018 on this site tomorrow, so I send Season’s Greetings to all here and all the best for 2019.

      I offer you this, as, being the self-confessed optimist that I am, we might one day see the Herald, and who knows what other MSM paper(s) turning our way. Anyhow, for now, just enjoy – and if suitably pleased to do so, sing also.

      3. (of 20.)

      Hark! the Herald journos sing

      Hark! the Herald journos sing:
      “Scottish Indy’s just the thing!”
      Joy at home and mercy mild;
      No and Yessers reconciled.
      Joyful let our nation rise;
      Join the triumph of the ‘Ayes’.
      With th’angelic host proclaim:
      “Scotland’s re-born to much acclaim.”
      Hark! the Herald journos sing:
      “Scottish Indy’s just the thing!”

      [With acknowledgements]

      Songs for the New Politics

    109. Sarah says:

      @Welsh Sion: thank you for the song. I think we missed a trick in 2014 – music is so powerful that if we’d had a few anthems it would have moved people’s emotions. Independence belief is head AND heart stuff, as we know – we need to appeal to both. Remember “Aye, aye, we’re all voting aye” to the tune of “She’ll be coming round the mountain”? Very catchy!

      @Tom Busza – thank you for that story. I’d never heard it before.

    110. Welsh Sion says:

      Thanks for the wish, Sarah. As you will have seen I have 20 of these parodies – including an updated version of “Scots Wha Hae”. Feel free to contact me if you’d like some more to sing!

      Merry Christmas and Happy Hogmanay!

    111. cearc says:

      Tom Busza, Thanks for that. I had no idea of those South American ties.

      Have a great feast time Welsh Sion and keep with the scribing, thanks.

      Hi Sarah, Greetings from Raigmore.

    112. Sarah says:

      @cearc – Sorry to hear you are still there in ward 5a. How long for – do you know? I can tell from your comments btl that your brain is functioning well! [Better than mine.] But watch yourself – overexposure to seeing the corruption and general horror of MSM, Westminster, the Establishment etc etc could damage your health.

      @Welsh Sion: thank you for the kind offer. I wonder if the new indy pipe band might be a good connection to make? Hail Alba Pipes and Drums.

    113. Sarah says:

      @cearc – I wrote a response but it is in moderation because I also responded to Welsh Sion and named the indy movements pipes and drums band [s..r a..a]!

      Anyway, sorry to hear you are still in Raigmore. Do you know for how much longer? Don’t overdo reading about MSM, Westminster and all the other stress-inducing matters – they could damage your health!

    114. Welsh Sion says:

      Not rec/d anything yet, Sarah. However, if you click on the hyperlink covering my name here, it will take you to my profile and you can contact me there. (I may not reply until Hogmanay now, though!)

      All the best to you and yours.

    115. Sarah says:

      Welsh Sion, what I said [apart from the forbidden words!] was a suggestion that your songs be shared with the new indy pipes and drums band [called the S..r A..a band – see their FB]. They intend to go on all the marches next year so it would spread the songs around.

      Bliadhna mhath ur!

    116. Welsh Sion says:

      Sarah – Thank you! However, as I do not FB, would you be so good as to follow the hyperlink (as mentioned above) and send me details that way? Otherwise, I don’t think it wise to share an email address in the open.

      Best to you all.

    117. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Welsh Sion.

      Here are three non-FB links for you. (Under construction.)

      Check out the videos here. (You don’t need a Twitter account to view. Just unmute the speaker.)

    118. cearc says:


      Thanks, hopefully I might get away tomorrow (or friday) for a few weeks. Actually, my blood pressure is one thing that is fine. Dying of boredom or heat exhaustion are the greater risks! Thank goodness for decent wifi on the ward.

      I have suggested that they should have climate segregated wards. ‘Urban’ for the lovers of CH and ‘Highlands and Islands’ for those that prefer wide open windows and the rain pelting in. I doubt that the management will act on the suggestion though.

    119. Sarah says:

      With any luck the snow will have fallen in a few weeks and you won’t be able to go back to Raigmore! The roads are clear now to get you home – so mild and dry.

      But I know what you mean about boredom etc – I was only in a couple of nights when I broke my wrist and apart from the unwelcome distraction provided by another patient with “issues” who arrived in the small hours and never stopped talking very loudly, it was the tedium that got to me. Those were pre-wifi days.

      However I did find the food a welcome surprise – best hospital food I’ve ever had because they had scotch broth on the menu and it was excellent. I nearly wrote to the catering department to congratulate the chef – should have done, of course, as it’s always nice to get some praise.

      Best wishes that you get away tomorrow and have a good Hogmanay.

    120. cearc says:

      Unfortunately, I will need to be able to get back in three weeks but the food, yep.

      Brilliant bakers, all the cakes, pies and pastries are first class. Not all the wards do have wifi, dunno why, loads of networks everywhere but not all the wards have ‘public’ log-ins.

    121. Welsh Sion says:

      Thanks to all. Will catch up on the links/references later.

      Off to hibernate now – see you in the New Year!

      Don’t become independent without me, Scotland! 😉

    122. Sarah says:


      Sorry to hear you must return to Raigmore so soon but perhaps you can spend your time there valuably by enlightening some Noes? I need someone to make up for me – I don’t think I’ve converted anyone since 2014!

      And that is good news about the catering. Meals are so important when you’re in hospital. Don’t forget to tip the chef!

      Good night. Sleep well.

    123. cearc says:


      Scotch Broth on the lunch menu this very day. I shall hold you entirely responsible if i don’t enjoy it!

    124. Nana says:

      Morning cearc

      Perhaps there will be chicken for lunch 🙂

      Take care xx

    125. Cactus says:

      Hey cearc, wishin’ ye well, see ye at the next Wings night xx.

    126. Sarah says:

      Ooh, cearc, I’m worried now – perhaps the Scotch broth chef has moved on. It was 10 years ago that I sampled that broth!

    127. cearc says:


      Breathe easy, it was great . As was the smoked mackerel, salad, apple crumble and ice-cream.

      Nana, yeah right, bound to choose it when I have a freezer full at home!

      Hiya, Cactus. Hope so depends on dates (of the calendar type).

      Hopefully I’ll be off home within the hour.

    128. Sarah says:

      Scottish Health Service doing us proud, isn’t it? Sounds like real home cooking unlike the stuff provided in Kent when my mother in hospital.

      And a neighbour fell and broke his hip at home on Tuesday this week, and by Wednesday lunchtime at Raigmore was sitting up with a new hip in place. Very comforting to see.

    129. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Nope, I believe the last comment I posted here around 5 minutes ago has been rejected. Will this one appear?

    130. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      HAH! I will now email Rev Stu to get to the bottom of it.

    131. William Wallace says:

      Just checking in to wish all Aff-Topic crew festive greetings and to wish you and your families all the very best for 2019.

      See you all on the front line.

      Peace, love, unity and respect.

      Hail Alba

    132. William Wallace says:

      Oh FFS refreshed and it was there. My Bad Stu 😉 Sorry big chap.

    133. William Wallace says:

      Oh no it’s still awaiting moderation. Mon Stu. Festive season and that. Peace

    134. Nana says:


      Wishing you and your family a very merry Christmas.

    135. William Wallace says:

      Stu at the trolling. 🙂 Changed my S_a_o_r A_l_b_a to a Hail Caesar. 🙂

    136. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi William Wallace & Sarah.

      At 12.02pm I received this email notification:-

      William Wallace commented on Off-topic.

      in response to RevStu:

      For off-topic chat. Duh.

      Just checking in to wish all Aff-Topic crew festive greetings and to wish you and your families all the very best for 2019.

      See you all on the front line.

      Peace, love, unity and respect.


      At 12.03pm I received this email notification:-

      Sarah commented on Off-topic.

      in response to RevStu:

      For off-topic chat. Duh.

      @cearc – Sorry to hear you are still there in ward 5a. How long for – do you know? I can tell from your comments btl that your brain is functioning well! [Better than mine.] But watch yourself – overexposure to seeing the corruption and general horror of MSM, Westminster, the Establishment etc etc could damage your health.

      @Welsh Sion: thank you for the kind offer. I wonder if the new indy pipe band might be a good connection to make? HAIL CAESAR! Pipes and Drums.

      (HAIL CAESAR! is code for you-know-what…)

      I don’t see either of those posts up above.

    137. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      I typed last night,

      “HAH! I will now email Rev Stu to get to the bottom of it.”

      The Rev must have been in shakkie-heid mode. I just got on to my home Mac and the reason for non-appearance of the comment of which I typed, was jumping at me from the text box that was still sitting there from last night. It was that the comment had a YouTube link that I had pasted in – with the h/t/t/p on the front!


      Onnyhoo, no point in posting it where it should have been (embarrassment-of-the-year) so I’ll stick it in here.


      Hi Capella at 5:16 pm.

      You typed,

      “For those interested in the ongoing Integrity Initiative, Dark Money, election/referendum interference, smear campaigns etc all fuelled by our very own Foreign Office – here’s a video by investigative journalist Gordon Dimmack “A Very British Coup: Integrity Initiative update” 27 mins

      This is a post I did on my Facebook page a wee while ago, with a shortened version shared on various pro-indy FB pages.

      The dark forces…

      Here are two quotes from the link…

      “THE shadowy charity accused of running a British state-backed campaign against Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has confirmed it held a meeting with a leading Scottish journalist during which they were briefed on how “vulnerable” Scots were to Russian influence.

      The Integrity Initiative (II), a charity funded by the Foreign Office, British Army and MoD which has been described by the Sunday Mail as an ‘infowars’ unit, confirmed to CommonSpace it held a meeting with The Herald chief reporter David Leask.”


      “Responding to Leask’s remarks, David Miller, a Professor of Political Sociology at the University of Bristol and director of the Organisation for Propaganda Studies, said: “The II is a project of the Institute for Statecraft a Scottish charity with a registered address in a derelict Mill in Fife. It is claimed to be a project to counter Russian disinformation and it has received over £2 million in funding from the Foreign Office. However recent revelations have shown that amongst its activities it has attacked the leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition – a cardinal sin in British democracy.””

      I will now have a lie down…

      Sorry Rev Stu.

    138. Sarah says:

      Brian DTT,

      Thank you! I suddenly realised why my message for cearc and Welsh Sion was in moderation so I wrote a different version which did appear safely. I expect the Rev didn’t bother posting the moderated one because I said much the same the next time to cearc and you had provided links for Welsh Sion to that pipes band [that shall be nameless]!!

    139. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Sarah.

      You’re referring to the HAIL CAESAR! pipes and drums, iye?


    140. Sarah says:

      Hiya Brian – smiley thing!

    141. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @BDTT et al –

      If we keep including HAIL CAESAR in comments we could get Rev so pissed off he’ll allow the original, or else hit us with something else.


      In the meantime, here’s Nick Cave presenting a masterclass on how to get a crowd going…

      ‘Jubilee Street’

    142. cearc says:


      Yep, one smart guy. I’m a big fan of his novel as well.

    143. Macart says:

      @Smallaxe and Nana

      Be well ma friends and the very best of Crimbo wishes from me and Mrs M.

      Same tae yooz lot on OT. Have a good one folks.

      YES! I do Crimbo cliches Mmmmkay?

    144. Cactus says:

      Marnin all, let’s get a shakin!

      All yours main thread.

      Hey Dorothy D xx.

    145. Cactus says:

      And ye can dance if ye wanna:

      Make some shapes.

    146. Cactus says:

      Behold… the King CyberNat:

      Nat knows.

    147. Cactus says:

      MIDNIGHT, 01/01/2019, Scotland, InterContinental Europe, This World.

      That’s when the new wind a blaws in…

      A synchronized vibration.

      We own midnight. 😉

    148. Tinto Chiel says:

      And verily, I say unto thee, before Wizzard and ELO there was this bunch of degenerates, who could all have done with some National Service, imo. It was 1972, and I was young and lovely:

      A happy Christmas from me, Mrs Tinto and the Chielettes to all The Usual Suspects, lurkers, shirkers, Lobey Dossers, dork spanglers and houghmagandists. Think that just about covers everyone 😛

      Oops, and of course The Laydees…

      A momentous year in prospect: keep your powder dry and your whisky wet, Poindexters.

    149. Marie Clark says:

      As one of The Laydees Tinto, thank you for your kind wishes. Merry Christmas to you and Mrs TC and the family. I hope Harvey will be on his best behaviour.

      Well must go, we Laydees are busy at this time of year, especially when you have extra folk to feed. We are lucky as a family, we have each other, plenty of love and enough food. Spare a wee thought for those that are not so lucky, and a wee something for the foodbanks if you can.

      Take care everybody, rest, relax and charge the batteries cause next year looks as if all of us might be busy workin for Indy2.

      Merry Christmas, hope Mr & Mrs Smallaxe are doing okay, the place is no the same withoot him. Cheers.

    150. Tinto Chiel says:

      And to you, Marie and fambly.

      Harvey is busy stuffing the turkey with his unusual carrot and haggis combo and is on his best behaviour at the mo in case Santa doesn’t come.


    151. ScottieDog says:

      Came across this thread on money on twitter. It’s very good. Something to tide you over during the holidays. Once you realise where money comes from you realise all the fear mongering regarding the ‘economics of independence’ is easily debunked.
      Merry Christmas!

      D Laws
      Everyone knows that money makes the world go round but few know that it spins in completely opposite directions to how our monetary system is usually described. The UK money system explained in 2 minutes (plus links for further reading) thread follows:

      Money 1 – Your Bank Deposit is a record of how much YOU have loaned to your bank (to use as it wishes) – a positive balance in your bank account is just a record of what your bank owes you.

      As a depositor, you are a low ranking creditor to the bank. Therefore the Government provides assurance that up to £85000 per individual is safe. (link:…

      Money 2 – Banks do not lend out your granny’s savings. Banks create bank money (credit) when they agree a loan with you. They take the risk that you might not pay them back.

      When we complete a loan agreement with a bank, the increase in the deposit you find in your bank account is simply an increase in the balance that the bank owes you. Loans create bank deposits.

      Money 3 – Just as bank money is created with the signing of a loan agreement, bank money disappears as loans are paid down.

      Overall credit creation usually exceeds loan payments, so the bank money supply tends to increase over time. The global financial crisis led to a fall in bank money creation and the UK suffered a double-dip recession.
      Money 4 – Private banks run the payment systems we us. Banks have to settle up between each other with money they can’t create themselves; They have to use central bank £ Sterling, instead. This reconciliation system is run by the Bank of England (BoE) using Electronic reserves.

      Major banks have an electronic (reserves) account at the BoE. At the end of the day the sum of all of the transactions are netted out between the banks and reserves are moved between accounts to balance out any differences.

      Money 5 – Cash is a paper form of central bank money. The publicly owned Bank of England can add and remove money (reserves) into and out of any of accounts held at the BoE. The BoE instructs the creation of as much cash as is required by the UK economy.

      Money 6 – The UK Govt. Treasury instructs the BoE to create new money (reserves) when the UK Government spends on public goods & services. Therefore tax income is not required prior to Government spending. There is no need to increase taxes to ‘pay for’ any political decision.

      As major private banks have electronic reserves accounts at the BoE, the private banks, in turn, increase the corresponding bank money account of the public service/goods provider where the spending is to be directed.

      Money 7 – Just as paying off a loan destroys bank money, UK taxation destroys previously created electronic £ reserves. Taxation is simply accounted for.

      Taxes do not fund UK Govt. spending. When you pay your taxes to HMRC, your bank account balance falls and the balance of the reserves account of your bank falls accordingly. Hint: Inland ‘Revenue’; the money comes back and is effectively destroyed.

      Money 8- There is technically no limit to the amount of £ that the BoE can create. The UK cannot go bust as our debts are denominated in £s. In this respect we are not like Greece who do not have their own central bank. Or Venezuela who have debts in a foreign currency.

      From 1973 onwards, $ had no formal link to any commodity; this is the so-called fiat money system. The value of the £ moves with other currencies according to the strength of the UK economy, the net amount of money creation over time, BoE actions and geopolitical stability

      Money 9 – If, at the end of the day, the Government has spent more money than it has received in taxes, by convention, the UK Govt. chooses to convert reserves it has already spent into new interest-bearing Govt. bonds (Gilts) as a service to savers and the financial industry.

      Money 10 – If we paid down the national debt we would have no safe private sector savings. The amount of new bonds issued per period is called the UK Govt. Deficit. The total outstanding amount issued by UK Govt. and held by the private sector is called the National (Public) Debt

      Governments should not usually aim to be in surplus. A Govt. surplus isn’t a lump of cash you can do something with in the future. A surplus simply destroys money. It occurs when the Government destroys more money than is created at the BoE.

      Money 10 – The National Debt is not a burden for our children & grandchildren to pay off. It is a political decision to priories current spending away from the asset poor to the asset rich.

      We desperately need to use our democratically controlled money creation powers to shape our future prospects. We need long-term mission-oriented investment by Govts. to deliver sustainable future economic activity

      Money 11- The global financial system remains broken and never left intensive care. The Central Bank induced ‘wealth effect’ through inflating all financial assets has created the ‘everything bubble’ which is showing increasing signs of popping

      Money 12 – A global reset of our economic goals is likely to be thrust upon us. Here’s hoping we heed the advice of Sir David Attenborough and adjust our priorities accordingly akin to
      in her book #DoughnutEconomics

      Economic activity is driven by the those who have the power to create and distribute our money. Private bank money creation is predominant, short-term and increasingly directed to and extracted by the super wealthy. We need to re-energise the power of public money creation. #MMT

      Sent from my iPad

    152. Nana says:

      Seasons greetings to you and yours Sam, from my house to yours.

      We’ll have the last laugh!

      Smallaxe says,
      Peace and Love to you and yours, Sam and to All on Wings, thank you for your kind thoughts, have a great holiday. I wish for you what I wish for all of us. Independence!

      Mrs S sends hugs to All, as do I.

    153. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Merry Christmas to all youse roasters and I hope Satan visits you all later this evening.


    154. hackalumpoff says:

      Nice seasonal trolling Mr Botherhood.

      Here’s one for our little friends.

      Seasons greetings to all true wingers.

    155. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @hackalumpoff –

      Cheers for those links, very interesting, both new to me.

      So many artists, books, great music, and so little time…

      Gettin a wee bit maudlin here…


    156. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Peeps.

      Merry Christmas to all of the ‘off-topic’ regulars and occasional visitors!

    157. Ruglonian says:

      Happy Christmas everybody, I hope Santa was good to you all x

    158. Liz g says:

      Happy Christmas Everyone xxx

    159. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Absolutely classic. One of many by the same guy.

    160. CameronB Brodie says:

      OK, I’m up at silly’o’clock on Boxing Day. It’s mild but dreich out. I’m wearing sunglasses. It must be time for more moral psychology and practical reason. Hopefully this might stimulate some inferential leaps of understanding.

      As contemporary British nationalism articulates an alarmingly authoritarian and totalitarian form of English culturalism (see Brexit), here’s one for those still struggling to get their heads around what “agency” is. Don’t worry, you’re not the first.

      The Constitution of Agency
      Essays on Practical Reason and Moral Psychology

      1.1 Reason and Rationality

      The essays in the first part of the book are devoted to the principles of practical reason. Before discussing the more specific conclusions I reach in them, it will be helpful to say what I mean by ‘‘reason.’’ When we talk about reason, we seem to have three different things in mind. In the philosophical tradition, Reason—I’ll use the capitalized form to refer to the general faculty of Reason—refers to the active rather than the passive or receptive aspect of the mind. Reason in this sense is opposed to perception, sensation, and perhaps emotion, which are forms of, or at least involve, passivity or receptivity. Reason has also traditionally been identified with either the employment of, or simply conformity to, certain principles, rational principles, which may include the rules of logical inference, the principles that Kant identified as principles of the understanding, canons for the assessment of evidence, mathematical principles, and the principles of practical reason.

      A person is called ‘‘reasonable’’ or ‘‘rational’’ when her beliefs and actions conform to the dictates of those principles, or when she consciously and deliberately guides her thoughts and actions by them. And then finally, there are the particular, substantive, considerations, counting in favor of belief or action, that we call ‘‘reasons.’’4

      What are the relations among these three things? I suppose one might think that they, or some of them, are completely separate things, which have related names more or less by accident.5

      To me it seems more natural to see them as aspects of a single human capacity, and so to relate them somehow, but how? According to one theory, the primary item here is the third thing I mentioned, the reason, a substantive consideration that counts in favor of something—some belief, action, or attitude—and that has normative force….

      1.2 Rational Principles

      In the tradition of moral philosophy, three kinds of principles have been proposed as requirements of practical reason. First, there is the principle of instrumental reason. According to this principle, practical rationality requires us to take the means to our ends. Here there is little dispute about how to formulate the requirement, except that some philosophers regard the ends in question as things desired, while others, such as Kant, argue that a rational requirement can apply only to things willed. Second, there are versions of what I will call the principle of prudence or rational self-interest, usually understood to require that we maximize the satisfaction of our own desires or interests over time, or something along those lines. It is difficult to give an uncontroversial formulation of this principle, because here there are many disputes.

      Some philosophers think we are required to maximize the satisfaction only of the desires we have in the present. Others think we must take future desires into account but may discount for the fact that they are future. Most agree that any ‘‘pure’’ preference for the present over the future (any preference not based on extraneous factors like the greater uncertainty that attaches to future events) is irrational, but differ about what kinds of items the principle must take into account: all desires, all reasons? The common element in these views is that there is some principle requiring us to take the effects on our other ends into account when we reason about how to realize any particular end.

      Third, many philosophers have believed that moral requirements are requirements of practical reason. Here, the main distinction is between philosophers who think that the basic moral requirement is formal, like a
      universalizability principle, and those who think that certain substantive moral principles, like the prescriptions that we should tell the truth and keep our promises, are self-evident rational requirements.

      1.3 Constitutive Principles

      But before I go on I must say what I mean by a constitutive principle. First, what I will here call a constitutive standard (in the essays, I sometimes use ‘‘internal’’ for ‘‘constitutive’’) is one that arises from the very nature of the object or activity to which it applies. It belongs to the nature of the object oractivity that it both ought to meet, and in a sense is trying to meet, that standard. Constitutive standards apply most obviously to objects that have some standard use or function or purpose. If it is the function of a house to provide shelter from the weather, then it is a constitutive standard for houses that they should be waterproof….

      ….Two things are important to notice about standards of this kind. First of all, constitutive standards are at once normative and descriptive. They are descriptive because an object must meet them, or at least aspire to meet them, in order to be what it is. And they are normative because an object to which they apply can fail to meet them, at least to some extent, and is subject to criticism if it does not. This double nature finds expression in the fact that we can criticize such objects either by saying that they are poor objects of their kind (‘‘That’s a poor encyclopedia, it isn’t up to date.’’), or by saying that they are not such objects at all (‘‘That’s not an encyclopedia: it’s just a compendium of nineteenth-century opinion!’’). Second, constitutive standards meet challenges to their normativity with ease: someone who asks why a house should have to be waterproof, or an encyclopedia should record the truth, shows that he just doesn’t understand what these objects are for, and therefore, since they are functional objects, what they are….

      ….An especially important instance of the constitutive standard is what I will call the constitutive principle, a constitutive standard applying to an activity. In the case of essentially goal-directed activities, constitutive principles arise from the constitutive standards of the goals to which they are directed….

      ….Constitutive principles, like constitutive standards more generally, are normative and descriptive at the same time. They are normative, because in performing the activities of which they are the principles, we are guided by them, and yet we can fail to conform to them. But they are also descriptive, because they describe the activities we perform when we are guided by them. Sometimes people are puzzled by the idea that you can fail to conform to a constitutive principle—if following the principle is constitutive of the activity, and you fail to conform to it, then aren’t you failing to engage in the activity after all? In one sense that is right, but in another it cannot be, for if you were not engaging in the activity after all, then your failure to conform to its constitutive principle would not be a failure at all. If I am not swimming, but just cooling myself by splashing about in the water, then my failure to make headway through the water is no failure at all. But if I am trying to swim—suppose there is a shark headed towards me—and all I succeed in doing is splashing around in the water, then my failure to make headway is a failure indeed.

      Part 1 of 2

    161. CameronB Brodie says:

      1.4 Agency
      Many of the problems that are now discussed under the rubric of ‘‘the philosophy of action’’ were once discussed under the rubric of ‘‘freedom of the will,’’ and this is no accident. Agency is almost as mysterious as freedom of the will, and for the same reasons—with this important difference: that it is much harder for skeptics, even those with ‘‘scientific’’ pretensions, to deny that agency exists. Since I take an action to be a movement that is attributable to an agent, I take agency to be the central notion in the philosophy of action. In virtue of what, then, is a movement attributable to an agent? When can we say that an agent has determined her own movements, and so that those movements are actions? We want to say that a movement is attributable to an agent if the agent is its cause, but this may seem, at first blush, to be in tension with the belief that every event is caused by some other event. How can an agent determine her own movements, if her movements are determined by certain events, which in turn are determined by other events, and so on?

      ….Part of the answer is that there is surely a difference between a case in which the event most immediately determining your movements is, say, that you are pushed from behind, and a case in which the event most immediately determining your movements is a thought of your own. To take the most obvious case: most people do not feel that their freedom or power of self-determination is threatened by the possibility that their movements are determined by their own thoughts about what they ought to do. Rather, they feel that their freedom or power of self-determination is threatened by the possibility that this may not be the case. So perhaps we should claim that we are active to the extent that our movements are caused by our conceptions of what we ought to do.¹³

      The will, Kant famously argues, is a kind of causality, and as such, it must operate in accordance with laws.¹4 A free will—a fully self-determining will—would be one that is not moved by any alien cause. That is, it would not be subject to determination by any law that is outside of itself. Since a free will must operate in accordance with laws, and yet must not be determined by any law outside of itself, the free will must be determined by a law that it gives to itself—a law that it legislates to govern its own movements. The free will, that is, must be an autonomous will. In other words, to be free is to be motivated by the thought that the principle in accordance with which you propose to act is one that you would will as a law. But of course Kant also believed that the moral law is the law of acting on a maxim that you yourself, on your own deepest reflection, would will to be a law—either one that qualifies to be a law (when the action is permissible), or one that you must will as a law (when the action is required).

      This means that in Kant’s theory autonomy is linked, on the one hand, to the very idea of action—that is, of self-determination—and, on the other hand, to thoughts about what we ought to do. According to Kant, then, to think thoughts about what you ought to do is at the same time to think thoughts about what you would do were you a fully self-determining being.¹5 And if it is possible for us to act as we would act if we were fully self-determining beings, then we are, for practical purposes, fully self-determining beings (G4:446–448). This is why the content of the thoughts that move us can make a difference to the degree of self-determination we exhibit when our movements are caused by our thoughts.¹6

      The categorical imperative, on this view, is not just the principle of morality. It is also the constitutive principle of action. More precisely, I believe that the principle of governing oneself by universal laws is the constitutive principle of rational activity generally. For the requirement of universalizability governs every aspect of rational thought. To believe on the basis of a rational consideration is to believe on the basis of a consideration that could govern the beliefs of any rational believer, and still be a belief about the public, shared world. To act on the basis of a rational consideration is to act on the basis of a consideration that could govern the choices of any
      rational chooser, and still be efficacious in the public, shared world. This is what I have elsewhere called the ‘‘practical contradiction’’ interpretation of the categorical imperative test.¹7

      The notion of efficacy brings in the other element of Kant’s account of action, the principle of instrumental reason. For if to act is to engage in practical activity that is directed to producing some state of affairs in the world, then the agent must also seek to be efficacious, that is, to work with the natural causal mechanisms that he can use to make things happen in the world. He must use the means. And this means that the maxim or principle on which he proposes to act must serve as a universal practical law. It is the universalizability principle in that specific sense—the law of acting only on universal practical laws, which is constitutive of action in the more specific sense.

      Let me put the point another way. To be an agent is to be, at once, autonomous and efficacious—it is to have effects on the world that are determined by yourself. By following the categorical imperative we render ourselves autonomous and by following the principle of instrumental reason, we render ourselves efficacious. So by following these principles we constitute ourselves as agents: that is, we take control of our movements.

      1.5 Self-Constitution

      If the idea of self-constitution still seems paradoxical, it may be helpful to compare the human agent with another sort of agent whose claims to self-constitution are perhaps less assailable: the political state.

      A state is like an individual human being insofar as all of its actions supervene on other, so to speak smaller, events: in the case of the state, on the decisions and actions of various citizens and office-holders. What makes a certain event or set of events count as an action attributable to the state is that the state has a set of deliberative procedures—a constitution—of which these smaller events can be seen as parts. For example, the constitution might specify that the majority vote of certain citizens who are taken to represent other citizens counts as the enactment of a law. The outcomes of following those procedures, the laws and the execution of the laws, are the actions of the state. Thus the function of the constitution of the state is to unify a diverse group of citizens into a single agent, whose movements count as its actions when they are in accordance with its laws. And so the citizens, by adopting these deliberative procedures, can be said to constitute themselves as a unified agent. In the same way, an individual human being constitutes himself as an agent, by adopting a procedure for the making of laws—a procedure that he requires because of the reflective distance that makes it necessary for him to act for reasons, and therefore on principles.

      1.6 The Problem of Prudence

      I now return to the other proposed rational principle, the principle of prudence or self-interest. In ‘‘The Myth of Egoism,’’ I argue that some common assumptions about this principle cannot be right. The principle is not, as many social scientists seem to assume, either identical to, or a mere application of, the principle of instrumental reason. For if there is a rational requirement of prudence, it does not merely require us to take the means to some end that we already or inevitably have. Rather, it requires us to have a certain end—one in which our more particular ends are somehow harmoniously combined—and to always prefer that end to all of those more particular ends themselves. The principle of prudence, if it exists, is therefore a principle of pure practical reason.

      How is such a normative principle then to be established? Part of the difficulty is that the idea of prudence, as usually conceived, is trying to do a double job. Prudence is usually supposed to require us to take in to account all of the ends we have reason to promote, including those we will have in the future, whenever we deliberate. But it is also supposed to require us to be (especially? exclusively?) attentive to what is in some difficult-to-define sense our own personal good or interest. I call those two elements of the principle the requirements of balancing and of particularity, respectively….

      2. Moral Virtue and Moral Psychology

      Our agency depends in important ways on the character of our more passive or receptive faculties. Human action partakes of reaction at least to this extent: something must make it occur to us that we might perform a certain action. And this means that our ability to do what reason demands also depends on these faculties….

      ….Maxims are here regarded as subjective principles which merely qualify for a giving of universal law, and the requirement that they so qualify is only a negative principle (not to come into conflict with law as such).—How can there be, beyond this principle, a law for the maxims of actions? (MM6: 389)¹8 By a law for the maxims of actions, Kant means a law making it necessary to have certain maxims. And he takes this problem as the point of entry for his own account of virtue….

      As such, in order for a resident of Scotland to support the imposed change to their legal identity that Brexit requires, they must first oppose the principle of universal human rights. Not a good look, frankly. Smells a bit like self-harm to me.

    162. CameronB Brodie says:

      I know I’ve said I don’t believe some animals are more equal that others, but acknowledge that that is a political position.

      What is so special about the human brain? | Suzana Herculano-Houzel

    163. Liz g says:

      Hey Cameron…..
      I think I’ve worked oot whit this agency thing is!!
      It seems to translate in tae whit I’ve been sayin for years..
      Liz’s Hoose,Liz’s Rules?

    164. CameronB Brodie says:

      Liz g
      Not quite, though I might not have understood you correctly. Agency is often discussed in relation to the concept of “free-will”, which is a bit old-skool. Society impinges on all of us in individual ways and the origination of our intentional thought is rarely internal, so “free-will” can be a bit misleading.

      I like to think of possessing agency as marking the difference between free, ‘self-determining’, members of society, and un-free subjects of cultural oppression. Well, I am a bit of a post-colonial feminist. Six in one shampoo, obvs. 😉


      Just don’t. 😉


      Universal suffrage notionally shared equal voting rights and political agency with women. You could say the feminist movement has been the political struggle to emancipate female/human agency. I see the movement for Scotland’s self-determination in the same light.

    165. CameronB Brodie says:

      the origination of our intentional thought is rarely purely internal

      Here’s one to celebrate the reactionary social turn that Brexit represents.

      Abney Park – Steampunk Revolution

    166. CameronB Brodie says:

      Brexit promised to take back control and deliver Britain the sovereignty stolen by the EU. What a lot of pish. Brexit will undermine the political agency of most, especially those living outwith England. Women in particular.

      Identity and euroscepticism as a substitute for political agency: A few lessons from the British elections

      …UKIP’s popularity – not reflected by its representation in seats – was very much due to its loud defence of sovereignty. This firstly took a cultural dimension through a very explicit nationalism that values the exceptionality of Britishness and justifies an anti-European and anti-immigration stance as well as a harsh controls on UK borders. But the eagerness to reclaim some form of economic sovereignty also pervaded UKIP’s project – at least in the short term since, after an exit from the EU, UKIP’s plan would be to increase free trade agreements with the whole world, a project hardly compatible with full economic sovereignty. Thirdly, UKIP also promoted military sovereignty by reversing defence cuts. The Tories expressed many similar ideas in a more moderate form: a strong valuing of British identity perceived as the equivalent to British interest translated into a fear of the EU and of foreigners alike. The Conservatives associated that message not only with a rhetoric of economic responsibility but also with an appeal to democratic principles: a referendum on the EU would give the people of Britain the ability to regain their popular will.

      The willingness to reclaim popular sovereignty was also expressed by the SNP, albeit in a regional form of nationalism. The SNP coherently formulated a message in favour of Scottish sovereignty – understood in cultural, political and socio-economic terms. Even if the SNP’s left-wing discourse for the rest of the United Kingdom was somehow at odds with this separatist agenda, it could also sound like a willingness to reclaim political agency in order to defend the people’s interests. As for the Greens, their harsh and radical criticism of the establishment, their opposition to austerity measures and their very left-wing social and economic programme aimed to re-establish politics as a means to serve people’s interests.

      Labour, on the other hand, proposed neither an increase in popular input nor a renewal of political agency. On the contrary, its relatively pro-European and multicultural approach seemed antagonistic to such goals. Having ruled out the return to a more critical discourse on the economy, it did not have many tools left to convince an increasingly insecure British population. Nevertheless, Labour could have combined its reformist, European and progressive principles by advocating a clear European federalist project: it could have argued that the only way to rescue sovereignty and political agency was neither by turning one’s back on the EU nor by adopting a timid approach to it, but by fully engaging in its deepening and renewal. In other words, it could have spearheaded the debate on a more efficient, democratic and social Europe and made the United Kingdom an active part of that project. But this lack of federalist orientation – which actually characterizes most of the centre-left in the EU – is one of the reasons why, unchallenged by a convincing European alternative, sovereignist movements are so successful.

    167. CameronB Brodie says:

      P.S. I probably don’t have to point out that last one is not unsurprisingly presenting reality from the One Nation perspective.

    168. CameronB Brodie says:

      Here’s one for all those former No voters who appear to have woken up to the true nature of British nationalism and the 2014 vote, even if only on the subconscious level.

      This will only spread. 🙂

      Planet Funk – The Switch (King Unique Pushin Vocal Mix)

    169. Benhope says:

      After suffering at Pittodrie today I was listening to Imelda May and The Dubliners. Absolutely brilliant. Then I came across Rod Stuart`s version of “Grace” which the Celtic support have now adopted. What a really moving song with a great tune. Any thoughts?

    170. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. breaking the power of the 1%. I think they may have broken British nationalism, so it’s not all bad. Imagine thinking they could force Brexit on Scotland. That’s cultural chauvinism at the institutional level, a product of structural racism. 😉

      A Critical Analysis of Approaches to the Concept of Social Identity in Social Policy

      This article seeks both to highlight a current imbalance in approaches to social identity in social policy, and to make suggestions as to how this might be redressed in future work employing the concept. The concept of identity and specifically social identity is increasingly employed in the discipline of social policy as a theoretical device with which to bridge the individual/social divide. The argument presented here suggests that the concept is however, unevenly deployed in policy analysis and, therefore lacks the force of impact it might otherwise have had. The predominant focus of current analysis lies in policy change precipitated by groups of ‘new,’ active welfare constituents
      organised around differentiated and fragmented social identities, whereas the identities of welfare professionals also involved in policy making process have disappeared from analytical view. The current emphasis on the discursive context for policy formulation, perpetuates an unacknowledged misconception concerning the asociality of those involved in policy making, where their principal role is perceived as the maintenance of the status quo in terms of social policy responses to welfare constituents needs. Redressing this false dichotomy between those developing and those using welfare services might be avoided by further exploring the concept of relational identity.

      Key Words: Difference; Sameness; Welfare professional; Welfare subject

      Agency, social theory and social policy

      Global social policy studies: Conceptual and analytical reflections

      This article reviews the conceptual and analytical contribution of one strand of ‘global social policy studies’ since the mid-1990s. It outlines some of the strengths and weaknesses of the core conceptual basis of the approach acknowledging that the theoretical aspects have remained more implicit than explicit in many core texts. The article advances the case for using the ‘Agency, Structure, Institution and Discourse’ (ASID) approach as a framework within which to advance the analysis of the formation and transformation of ‘global social policy’. The recent development of the ILO and UN policy on advancing social protection floors is then used to illustrate how the ASID approach might be applied to an actual global social policy change.

      Analytical framework, global social policy, social protection floor, theory, transnational actors

    171. CameronB Brodie says:

      What sort of life will Scots be able to negotiate in Brexitania? Our political agency is already severely constrained and is unlikely to improve as a result of London’s intended power grab. A life without agency can not hope to rate above mere existence.

      All nations are entitles to the Right to Development, including culturally and politically. This is an inalienable human right that Brexit simply ignores. As such, Brexit is a clear rejection of the principle of universal human rights. The One Nation ideology is not compatible with this principle. They can not coexist without the adequate political infrastructure and will. A scenario that is unlikely to evolve in my lifetime, that’s for sure.

      Introduction: Negotiating Liveable Lives — Identity in Contemporary Britain

    172. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Benhope at 11.49

      “Grace” typifies the wicked idiocy of imperial Britain that actually set Ireland free. We are fortunate that Brexit idiocy is doing the same for us without the bloodshed. Kudos to Rod Stewart for having the guts to record Grace. Rod has just declared himself very publicy as Scottish (as has Emma Thompson and Tilda Swinson). When it comes down to the line good people know they have to make a decision and have the courage to do so.

    173. Liz g says:


    174. CameronB Brodie says:

      Want to blow your mind?

      What Is Reality?

    175. Ian Brotherhood says:

      This is a – perhaps forlorn – effort to get wur brothers Smallaxe and Oneironaut back into the OT fray…

      LeeDorsey, ‘Who’s Gonna Help Brother Get Further?’

      We need ye’s lads, seriously!

      Please, at least, drop in and say ‘howboutyefuckface’?

    176. CameronB Brodie says:

      Think-tank funding certainly needs to be transparent, IMHO.

      Four think tank perspectives


      Favoring the Elites: Think Tanks and Discourse Coalitions

    177. CameronB Brodie says:

      I’m not against think-tanks, as a rule.

      Producing Knowledge, Producing Credibility: British Think-Tank Researchers and the Construction of Policy Reports

      Back to more pressing matters.

      Future trade relations between the EU and the UK: options after Brexit

      This study analyses the various options for the future trade relations between the EU and the UK, after Brexit. It examines the various models against the canvas of two distinct paradigms: market integration and trade liberalization. It finds that an intermediate model, which would allow for continued convergence and mutual recognition in some sectors/freedoms, but not others, is unavailable and cannot easily be constructed for legal, institutional, and political reasons. The stark choice is between a customs union/free trade agreement, or continued internal market membership through the EEA or an equivalent agreement. The study further analyses the effects of Brexit on the UK’s continued participation in the trade agreements concluded by the EU. Notwithstanding a range of complexities, the study finds that such continued participation is not automatic but subject to negotiation.

    178. CameronB Brodie says:

      I’m not sure if folk remember me suggesting that reality is defined through narrative?

      How language shapes the way we think | Lera Boroditsky

      From an anthropological perspective, states have historically been perceived as masculine and nations, feminine. Culturally, this has resulted in states being considered logical and trustworthy, while the nation thought irrational and untrustworthy. This cultural bias helps underpin our cultural suspicion of nationalism.

    179. CameronB Brodie says:


      I’m not sure if folk remember me suggesting that reality is normative and defined through narrative?

      OK, time for some more moral philosophy.

      Five Elements of Normative Ethics – A General Theory of Normative Individualism


      The article tries to inquire a third way in normative ethics between consequentialism or utilitarianism and deontology or Kantianism. To find such a third way in normative ethics, one has to analyze the elements of these classical theories and to look if they are justified. In this article it is argued that an adequate normative ethics has to contain the following five elements: (1) normative individualism, i. e., the view that in the last instance moral norms and values can only be justified by reference to the individuals concerned, as its basis; (2) consideration of the individuals’ concerns and interests—aims, desires, needs, strivings—insofar as they have a justificatory function; (3) a pluralism of references of these concerns and hence of moral norms and values to all possible elements of actions; (4) the necessity of a principle of aggregation and weighing with regard to these concerns; (5) finally, as a central principle of aggregation and weighing, the principle of relative reference to self and others, operating as a generalizing meta-principle that guides the application of concrete principles and decisions.

      Normative ethics Ethics Justification of morals Justification of law Non-consequentialism Non-utilitarianism Non-deontology Non-Kantianism Plurality of the elements of action

      Fundamentals of Normative Ethics

      Normative Ethics: An Exercise to Facilitate Awareness

    180. CameronB Brodie says:

      I’ve just been looking at views on the distributive justice of Brexit and thought I might drop this one. There is zero distributive justice for Scotland, when it come to Brexit. When will the ‘Left’ realise that socialist policy has more support from the EU than the Tories and that supporting Tory policy will not advance socialism.

      Social movements, Brexit, and social policy

      Brexit, similar to Donald Trump’s victory in the 2016 US presidential elections, is frequently interpreted as a manifestation of the growing anger with the political and economic status quo and a victory for populism. In this article, I examine the relationship between social movements, Brexit and social policy and consider how political and socio-economic developments since the 2008 financial crisis helped create a fertile ground for Brexit. I query the assumption that Brexit was simply a result of the those left behind by globalization and instead explore why and how actors from across the ideological spectrum supported Brexit and examine the sources of discontent which created the conditions from which Brexit emerged. To understand the relationship, role and impact of social movements and more widely, civil society, on social policy, I argue that it is important to critically examine how diverse actors within civil society are campaigning for the recognition of unmet needs and challenging systems of redistribution and the ways in which they interact and engage with governance institutions and policy processes.

      Key words: Brexit, populism, social movements, austerity, social policy

      Brexit’s heterogeneous supporters
      In analyzing Brexit and Trump, and the rise of authoritarian populism elsewhere, it is common to read of how those left-behind by globalization have lashed out in anger against the current political elites and wider system which they believe has impoverished them. Such analyses are hardly new and scholars, including Kriesi and others, have analysed the so-called winners and losers of globalization in the 2000s noting the growing nativism, xenophobia and anti-immigrant claims (Kriesi et al., 2008). Since the Brexit referendum, there have been a bevy of post-mortem reports. One such report, commissioned by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, explains the Brexit vote by arguing that those on the margins of society, living on low incomes, with few qualifications and without the skills required to prosper in the modern economy, were more likely than others to vote “Leave”.

      According to the report’s authors, “Groups in Britain who have been ‘left behind’ by rapid economic change and feel cut adrift from the mainstream consensus were the most likely to support Brexit” (Goodwin and Heath, 2016: 3). While emphasizing the socio-economic drivers for Leave, they also acknowledge that educational attainment, geography, attitudes, and values all matter. In particular, they argue that low educational qualifications, socially conservative views, and a very strong sense of English identity predisposed people towards Leave (Goodwin and Heath 2016: 18). Kaufman argues against the economic inequality argument, maintaining it was all about culture and attitudes. Drawing on the British Election Study 2015 Internet Panel and census data, he unequivocally concludes that, “All told, the Brexit story is mainly about values, not economic inequality” (Kaufman, 2016).

      Another report, this one published by the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, finds that Brexit was overwhelmingly supported by those on the right and that support for UK far-right groups “gained significant number of followers” from the Brexit campaign (Smith and Colliver, 2016: 1). While Smith and Colliver acknowledge that the Leave campaign “actively sought to distance itself from the UK far-right movements”, they maintain that the xenophobic narratives “resonated and gained traction with communities who felt they had lost control, or simply lost out, because of national immigration policy” adding that inevitably “parallels were drawn between the narratives of the two” (Smith and Colliver, 2016: 2). But this is hardly the whole story. In addition to those so-called losers of globalization, Brexit supporters included many winners, including those with high educational qualifications and incomes. Nick Clegg, the former leader of the Liberal Democrats, describes the elite Brexiteers as follows:

      …the hedge-fund managers for whom EU-wide regulations are an overburdensome [sic] hindrance to their financial aspirations… the owners and editors of the rightwing press, whose visceral loathing of the EU has shaped their respective papers’ tone and coverage for decades; the Tory backbenchers, many of whom still inhabit a preposterous past in which Britannia still rules the waves and diplomacy is best conducted from the royal yacht; a handful of multi-millionaire businessmen who have, in some cases over 30 years or more, bankrolled whichever party, or politician, stands on the most aggressive EU-bashing platform (Wintour, 2017)

      Finally, alongside the so-called left-behind and the financial elites that supported Brexit, there was also a group of Brexit supporters on the political left who are sometimes referred to as Lexiteers. Lexiteers by and large reject the xenophobic anti-immigration arguments which they ascribe to the right-wing “big business” and “little-Englander” Leave campaigns (Choonara, 2015: 3) arguing instead that their opposition to the EU is based on socialist principles and is based on advancing workers’ rights and anti-racist policies. According to the chair of the Left Leave group, Brexit supporters on the left reject the “anti-foreigner kind of nonsense” (Zagoria, 2017) and base their support for Brexit on the premise that the EU is promoting an anti-democratic neoliberal agenda which advances “market rather than collective planning” (Tuck, 2016). They cite the EU’s support for free movement as “based on a desire to create a European-wide labour force that can be profitably exploited by capital” (Choonara, 2015: 3) and argue that post-EU immigration controls would put the interests of British workers first. One such Lexit supporter, Labour MP Frank Field, argues in The Guardian for greater immigration control in the following way. He writes,

      It’s not racist to worry about this [immigration control] as some of my colleagues seem to think, and there’s broad support for more control of immigration among all Britain’s ethnic minority communities… a post-EU immigration regime can support our public services, expand our economy and also deliver humanitarian objectives; but because it will be under our control there won’t be unexpected and excessive pressures on our schools, hospitals and public infrastructure (Field, 2016).

    181. CameronB Brodie says:

      I always thought Frank Field was a bit dodgy. A bit of an English utilitarian. He might not actually be a racist but he is supporting racist policy.

      Immigration, social cohesion and social capital

      2 New migration, social cohesion and policy development

      …Social cohesion policy in the UK reflects a wider European agenda. As early as 1998, the Council of Europe adopted Recommendation 1355 on ‘Fighting against social exclusion and strengthening social cohesion in Europe’.1 Significantly, social cohesion was advocated as a vital requirement of an enlarged Europe – echoing one of the drivers of UK policy noted in the Introduction. However, promoting cohesion as a rights-based objective – a feature of the 1998 Council of Europe Recommendation – has not found support in UK policy making. Later European Commission and Council of Europe decisions resonate more closely with the UK’s stance. Here cohesion is vigorously promoted in integrationist terms – social and economic – in order to reduce the risk of social and political disruption (Council of Europe, 2000a, 2000b; European Commission, 2000a, 2000b, 2001).

    182. Macart says:

      @Ian B

      I suspect Smallaxe has a bigger fight on the cards just now Ian. Nana passed on a’ the very best wishes just the other day on Smallaxe’s behalf. And yes, I’m makin’ buttons too.

      Be well Mr and Mrs Smallaxe. Got the message from Nana.

      Aaaanyroads. Been mindin’ the store for WGD over the break and trying to get some Lambrini time in with the family. Everything hunky dory on MT?

    183. hackalumpoff says:

      @ Macart 28 December, 2018 at 8:53 pm

      You are a true Empath Sir.

      We will need a new honorary title for folks like yourself in the Free Scotland.(Twitter Poll for Scottish Honours, Ian Brotherhood ?)

      Smallaxe, Mrs Smallaxe, Nana and I, and MILLIONS of YESSERS and WINGERS have the fuel and spark to ignite and maintain combustion.

      Not too sure about the Lambrini though, plenty local beverages that we can substitute.(Ronnie Anderson can advise LOLZZZ)

    184. CameronB Brodie says:

      “womanhood is a political category……”. I suppose so, but women are still women and trans-women are still trans-women.

      Sex is an expression of the biological, gender an expression of the psychological. It is not possible to change sex though it is possible to self-determine one’s gender.

      Studying Organizations Using Critical Realism: A Practical Guide

      Researching Identity
      A Critical Realist Approach

      This chapter outlines the ontological weaknesses of the two dominant approaches to identity studies: social constructivism and social identity theory. As an alternative to these positions, the chapter develops a critical realist account of identity which the chapter suggests provides a stronger foundation for conceptualizing identity. In doing so, the chapter details ten CR principles and their consequences for identity research and then illustrates its approach in an empirical case of virtual teams based upon the work of one of the authors.

      Keywords: critical realism, identity, discourse, social constructivism, social identity theory, SIT, virtual teams


      Visible Identities: Race, Gender, and the Self
      The Metaphysics of Gender and Sexual Difference

    185. Tinto Chiel says:

      New National Anthem 2019 edition:

      I’ve always found it a creepy earworm of a track so now I’m going to inflict it on you.

    186. Tinto Chiel says:

      Of course, there’s always this contender for the more self-absorbed SEoE type:

      Ok, ok, I’m going…..

    187. Ian Foulds says:


      ‘Nicole Bonner
      Could Scotland en masse register as EU Nationals with the UKgov programme? Genuine question #Brexit #PeoplesVote #ScotRef’

      Is there any mileage in doing this? A lot of us still consider we are European citizens.

      If so it means we give the sods £65 but hopefully might scupper there ‘system’

    188. Ian Foulds says:

      Nicole Bonner
      Could Scotland en masse register as EU Nationals with the UKgov programme? Genuine question #Brexit #PeoplesVote #ScotRef

      Is there any mileage in this, as some of us will still consider we are European citizens after March?

      It would cost each of us £65 but might help to overwhelm the pen pushers doing this ‘vital’ work.

    189. Liz g says:

      Ian Foulds @ 11.48
      Not if we pay by check and then cancel.

    190. Ian Foulds says:

      Like it Liz g

    191. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. Conservative ideology. It is intrinsically, inseparably, bound to the doctrine of Jeremy Bentham’s utilitarian ethics. Bentham was an 19th century moral philosopher and early materialist. He wasn’t all bad, he gave us “nonsense on stilts”, but he also rejected natural law and natural rights, and so rejected the principle of universal human rights.

      A Condensation of Russell Kirk’s The Conservative Mind

      David Hume and the Conservative Tradition

      Conservatism: An Anthology of Social and Political Thought from David Hume to the Present


    192. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. the “FUCK NAZIS” sign removed for not being “inclusive.”

      I was saving this for when the BBC have that American Nazi on QT, if I’ve not already missed it. I’ve mentioned Karl Popper before and his Critical Rationalism. Well this dude is heavy and his thought considered profound. Anyway, he pointed out the paradox of tolerance.

      “Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.” – Karl Popper, 1945, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1.


      Karl Popper’s Vision of Democracy as the Ideal Society

      The Limits of Tolerance: A Substantive-Liberal Perspective

    193. Tinto Chiel says:

      For no particular reason, from the Bad Boys of Scottish rock:

      Talking of whom, hee hee, something for Cactus:

      Dell message on M/T received and understood: me too.

      “My Uncle Francois has a new hat.”

      “Angelique can play the piano.”

      Meanwhile, in other news, “John Maclean” by Henry Bell is new and well worth a read. Thank you, Santa.

    194. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      This is the hymn for my funeral

    195. Cactus says:

      Hey Tinto, glad to hear you got your l’ordinateur sorted out too 🙂 ah saw Bobby and the band when they played the Summer Nights festival at the KG bandstand one time… excellent gig.

      Looks like ah’ve caused a bit of a stushie on the M/T.

      That’s the power of Love. 😉

    196. Tinto Chiel says:

      Afternoon, Cactus, the Lord Byron of Wings, it seems 😉 .

      Oui , et mon ordinateur marche bien. I paired up wireless headphones (a prezzie from The Supervisor) with it and the Chielettes gave me a couple of books and a bottle of The Glenlivet 12-y-o (but don’t tell hackalumpoff or he’ll be jealous) so Santa was good to me.

      Hope to see you if there’s a Wings Multipartite Symposium in Feb.

    197. Cactus says:

      Aye aye, February ’19 calling us all Tinto.

      This is the last song that the band played at The Clutha last night that set me off (in more ways than one):

      Such a pity that Donnie felt different… ah wonder what his thoughts are now.

    198. hackalumpoff says:

      @ Tinto here’s lookin at you kid, her indoors got me this.

      Lovely wumman and lovely watter, slainte.

    199. Tinto Chiel says:

      Yup, haven’t a clue what Donny is thinking now but one can only hope. Maybe he still fancies a gong or two, Cactus. The Cringe is a terrible affliction.

      @hackalumpoff: seriously? Your carer must be a wonderful wummin indeed.


    200. Cactus says:

      Jings, crivens, help ma boaby, quite a response on the M/T… ye’d think aye’d broken the bloody telescope single-handidly or summin!

      Hopefully that engaging energy can be carried forward to the new year.

      Nice to see some lurkers posting too, is that what it takes?

      All comments duly noted, with thanks.

    201. Thepnr says:


      You have put the cat among the pigeons right enough, opinions are obviously divided but that’s Wings through and through 🙂

      Anyway this is my Xmas and New Year tune for you, especially for you!

    202. Tinto Chiel says:

      Worry not, Cactus: a spot of cabin fever/moral righteousness on the M/T. It’s never a good look, imo.

      First time I met you, you were holding one of the poles of the Wings banner the night of the BLiS______D gala dinner at the Central Hotel, the night The Murphoid embarrassed himself with his “donation” to the homeless while the police looked on and ground their teeth to stumps.

      Have a great Hogmanay and Ne’erday but we need you for February, mon vieux.

    203. Cactus says:

      Hehe, that’s excellent Tinto, thanks, how fitting. 😉

      Mibbies ah’ll double-down in future… here’s one of my favs for ye:

      Cats are cool, they’re good for gauging public opinion.

      Perception as always.

    204. Thepnr says:

      @Tinto Chiel and Cactus

      Here’s the man himself on one pole with Ronnie A on the other outside the Central Hotel at the £200/head Labour Gala Dinner.

      Cactus can be seen around 7:20 in and the first 3 minutes has Jim Murphy arrive with his carrier bag for the foodbank and get a bit of stick.

      Happy days 🙂

    205. Liz g says:

      Throne @ 6.47
      Are you trying tae get mair X rated than Cactus?

      Ronnie Anderson on one Pole and Cactus on another Pole at a £200 per head event….. That’s some picture ye were painting there Alex… I was thinking when the hell were they Pole Dancing and why did I not know about it.. LOL…
      But that footage is a great reminder of how far we’ve come !

    206. Tinto Chiel says:

      @ Cactus: good lyrics on that Foreigner track. Reminds me of my S6 school disco circa 1972 😛

      Yes, Thepnr, interesting seeing that footage again. I suspect Murphy was hoping for an egg or two to hit him so he could play the victim again. I saw at least one BBC reporter looking very uncomfortable that night but she was translated to transatlantic glory eventually, a bookend to match James “Chaos on the streets of Glasgow” Cook, for services rendered.

    207. Thepnr says:

      @Liz g

      Oh bejeezus Ronnie and Cactus on a couple of poles!

      That’s some picture you’ve painted in my head, one that I’ll never be rid of arghhh 🙂

    208. CameronB Brodie says:

      That Historywoman really is a tad reactionary and there’s a distasteful whiff of racism about her, IMHO. From an anthropological perspective, restricting freedom of movement is bad, mk.

      Political and cultural belonging:
      Anthropological perspectives on citizenship


      The liberal notion of citizenship as the right to vote and belong as a legal member of a community is analyzed from an anthropological perspective. Increased global interconnectedness has enabled populations to migrate between various nation-states. The notion of citizenship has become ever more blurred with globalization and different methods of including and excluding people from political and cultural participation within a nation-state have emerged. The objective of this thesis is to explore the different dimensions of anthropological knowledge and theorization on, among others, the notion of belonging, the nation, the community and the inclusion and exclusion of citizens as linked to the concept of citizenship. Through reviewing a number of these factors from an anthropological perspective, the notion of liberal citizenship is re-examined.

      The limits of identity: ethnicity, conflict, and politics!/file/2jenkins.pdf

      On becoming ethical subjects: freedom, constraint, and the anthropology of morality

    209. Thepnr says:


      Here’s a “Jolly Boys Outing” and what else could they have played but “Everybody’s Talkin”. Reminds me of a Wings bus once through to Glasgow once upon a time.

      Nostalgic wee clip from a Xmas special classic comedy program.

    210. Thepnr says:

      It takes all sorts to make a nation and we’re not all going to be the same are we?

    211. Thepnr says:

      Interestingly the song “Everybody’s Talkin” was also highly featured in the soundtrack of that great film “Midnight Cowboy”. Now who might that remind me of? LOL

    212. Tinto Chiel says:

      I hope not: my bone structure is special 😛

      Heard this recently, Thepnr, and thought you might like it:

      A bit late-Beatlesy, in a good way.

      We need music from CBB, MMcC and Ian of The Brotherhood.

      Going for a Horlicks.

    213. Tinto Chiel says:

      When I said late-Beatlesy, I may have had this in mind:

      This Horlicks is somewhat disappointing.

      Night, all!

    214. Thepnr says:

      @Tinto Chiel

      I’d never heard that before and I’m a fan of ELO. In fact when I first started going with my wife the first two presents I ever bought her were ELO albums.

      From 1976 “A New World Record” special red vinyl edition and of course from 1977 “Out Of The Blue” a blue vinyl edition would you believe.

      My favourite track at the time from the two was probably this.

    215. Thepnr says:

      Seriously this is an astonishing video of ELO when you consider that it was made 40 years after the last one I put on.

      I guess by the crowd and the set that these songs really were classics when were they were made in the mid 70’s. Amazing video.

    216. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Och, here are another three for Cactus…
      (She was the female singer on Meatloaf’s first album.)

      And last, if not least…

    217. Thepnr says:

      @Brian Doonthetoon

      “Back in the night” by Dr Feelgood excellent song that I don’t remember seeing on OT before.

      Patti Smith “Because the night” also excellent, think I might have played that myself here but the pièce de résistance has to be your last choice.

      Classic that I played once specially for Ian B and Paula Rose LOL 🙂

    218. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Thepnr.

      The Strangeloves’ song was featured on a TV ad, a few months ago. I can’t remember what was being advertised, as I was more impressed with the choice of a rather obscure US hit!

    219. Lenny Hartley says:

      Been listening to some Johnny Cash, forgot about this one 🙂

    220. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Lenny.

      Your link fixed.

    221. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      ELO live at their very best

    222. CameronB Brodie says:

      Hope I’m not thought of as one of the zoomers.

      The Phenomenology of Agency


      This paper provides an overview of recent discussions of the phenomenology of agency. By ‘the phenomenology of agency’ I mean those phenomenal states that are associated with first-person agency. I call such states ‘agentive experiences’. After briefly defending the claim that there is a phenomenology distinctive of first-person agency, I focus on two questions: (i) What is the structure of agentive experience? (ii) What is the representational content of agentive experience? I conclude with a brief examination of how agentive experiences might be generated and what role they might play in the subject’s cognitive economy.

      The Sense of Self in the Phenomenology of Agency and

      The Phenomenology of Agency and Freedom:
      Lessons from Introspection and Lessons from Its Limits

    223. Thepnr says:

      @CameronB Brodie

      You’re being tarred with the same brush as the rest of us and there’s no escape LOL

    224. CameronB Brodie says:

      No great shakes mate, I just thought it a bit unnecessary.

    225. Thepnr says:

      @Dave McEwan Hill

      Aye, that one was a foot tapper right enough. Does such a thing as a “band” still exist nowadays? I’m not so sure, guess I might have lost touch with todays scene lol.

    226. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Thepnr at 1.04

      Exactly.The big companies have taken over music again.

    227. CameronB Brodie says:

      British nationalism really is nasty habit.

      Phenomenological considerations of habit: reason, knowing and selfpresence in habitual action

      Paul Ricoeur claims in Freedom and Nature that delimiting the domain of habit is deeply challenging, owing to the fact that we tend not to know exactly what it is that we are asking about. Habit, he says, is not like acting, sensing or perceiving but is more akin to a way of sensing, perceiving and so on. It has to do with settled or dispositional ways of engaging the world that provides a form to our world relations. But what is the status of these ways of acting etc.? In ordinary discourse, habits are often thought of as good or bad and even as important to shaping our personal and social identities. But they tend also to be thought of as actions in which the free exercise of reason is deeply attenuated, as automatic responses conditioned over time which are triggered by the environment such that we act ‘before we know what we are doing’.

      In what follows, I want to offer some reflections about the nature of the relationship between habitual action, reason and knowledge. I will draw mostly on the phenomenological tradition in asking the question whether habits denote performances in which thinking is absent or whether they involve a spontaneity in which the embodied and embedded subject comes to expression as subject. In doing so, I will (1) sketch an outline of the largely negative view of habit that tends to dominate specialized and ordinary understandings of the matter before, (2) looking to phenomenological insights that offer a more positive view by integrating the notion of habit with discussions of embodiment and hermeneutic consciousness. Here, I will refer to the work of Merleau-Ponty and Ricoeur, for whom habit is an irreplaceable way of knowing the world. My claim is that these phenomenological resources are not only important in establishing the centrality of habit for identity formation, as Husserl and Merleau-Ponty do, but that they entail a unique form of knowing or exercise of reason which is dynamic, attentive and imaginative.

      Habit, knowing, phenomenology, embodiment, hermeneutics

      Discovering the “We”: The Phenomenology of Sociality

      Toward a Cultural Phenomenology of Personal Identity

      Hegel’s Master/Slave Dialectic In the Phenomenology of Spirit

    228. William Wallace says:

      @ Cactus

      Needling were ye 😉 Isn’t that what you desert plant types are supposed to do? 🙂 Bunch o moaning old farts so they are.

      Anyway, just popping on to wish you all a happy new year (when it comes). Ah the very best to all of you and those you hold dear throughout 2019 and beyond.

      Me, well rather predictably, eh am gonna be getting blootered.

      If they thought Cactus was bad… 😉 🙂

    229. Liz g says:

      William Wallace
      All the best when it comes William X

    230. CameronB Brodie says:

      No point in hanging about, is there? Wishing everyone a phenomenal New Year.

      Towards a Phenomenology of Memory and Forgetting


      Differences and trends in the discourse of memory in France have been consistent since the publication by Henri Bergson of Matter and Memory in 1896. In History, Memory and Forgetting published in 2000, Ricœur’s approach goes further than Bergson, Durkheim and Halbwachs. The memory issue in Ricœur is closely linked to a “hermeneutics of the self” that he already introduced in Oneself as Another in 1990. It seems that the traditional paradigm between individual and collective memory has been replaced by the affirmation of the dialogical nature of memory related to the dialogical nature of being a self and an other.


      Memory, History, Forgetting, Phenomenology, Hermeneutics

      The phenomenology of body memory

      Embodiment, Enaction and Culture
      Collective Body Memories

    231. yesindyref2 says:

      I’m just checking out the postings here and there’s some ON-TOPIC posts.

      Now hear this, this is off-topic and on-topic is off-topic for off-topic, whereas off-topic is on-topic for off-topic, so why are there on-topic posts on off-topic, eh?

      Jings, crivvens and hilp ma boab.

    232. yesindyref2 says:

      Mmm, not sure if I got that right. The problem is that there are off-topic posts for off-topic as they’re off-topic for off-topic. I think I got that right this time.

      It’s very confusing 🙁

    233. CameronB Brodie says:

      Sometimes it’s hard to remember where your coming from mate. Especially if you get your worldview from the BBC. Mood shapes judgement and behaviour, so the BBC in Scotland has the job of constantly undermining the Scottish self-conception of being a competent agent.

      Memory, Materiality and Affect

      Practices of cultural memory have received significant scholarly attention over the past two decades and constituted a major track of research at our Faculty as well. Building on the conception of memory as a performance of the past that is both embodied and mediated, the research group Memory, Materiality and Affect studies performances of memory by focusing on their material, affective, and transnational dimensions….

      Practical competence and fluent agency

      The Primacy of Agency Over Competence in Status Perception


      A great deal of recent work has found that two fundamental dimensions underlie social judgment. The most common labels used to denote these dimensions are agency versus communion, and competence versus warmth. The present work aimed to disentangle agency understood as the motivation to promote the self from competence understood as ability, and to address their distinctive role in status perception. In Studies 1 and 2, participants were presented with a high- versus low-status target and asked to rate this target on agency, competence and warmth. In Study 3, participants were presented with an agentic, competent, and warm target and asked to rate their social status. Overall, our findings indicated that agency and competence operate as distinct dimensions in social judgment, and that agency is more related to social status than competence.

      Keywords: social judgment, agency, competence, social status

    234. Tinto Chiel says:

      Welcome to the Zoomer Zone, yesindyref2 😛

      Quite agree about RoB, DMH. Bev Bevan’s drumming on the original 45 was relentlessly energetic.

      Found this on YouTube and had forgotten all about it:

      Also another chance to see the Lovely Laydee cellists……

    235. CameronB Brodie says:

      Constitutions just happen to be one of the means of empowering public agency and strengthening democracy. Unfortunately, Britain’s constitution only appears to recognise the legal identity to residents of England. Otherwise, Scotland would not be getting dragged out of the EU. As such, the Great British project has failed to enhance social equity across the nations, so in the final tally, must be considered a failure.

      Comparative Constitutional Design


      Constitution as law, instrument, and culture ‘Constitution’ – like ‘nation’, ‘state’, ‘democracy’, and ‘sovereignty’ – appears as one of the central icons and also one of the most ambiguous ideological structures in the pool of cultural representations of modernity. Constitutions react to the individual and societal need for orientation by offering a language of rights and values and to the requirement of authoritative decisions by allocating and balancing power within an institutional arrangement. Hence constitutions are not cages of norms, but texts situated in contested fields of ideas and interests and run through by competing interpretations. In general, comparative constitutional scholarship, rather than expressly addressing the question ‘what is a constitution?’, pragmatically settles on a couple of meanings – or less.

      Dominant is the notion of the constitution as a higher or supreme law. Superiority is ascertained, technically, by the systematic ranking of constitutional norms at the top of the legal hierarchy, above the ordinary laws, and by the methodological rule that laws have to be interpreted in conformity with the constitution. Genetically, a constitution qualifies as law when it is produced by a law-making body, such as a constitutional assembly or convention, and then is adopted according to legally prescribed procedures (referendum or qualified parliamentary decision). What looks like a routine under the rule of law implies a paradoxical creatio ex nihilo: a people constitutes itself in performing the act of adopting a constitution and has always already been presupposed as empowered to sign the said constitution. This self-empowerment of ‘we the people’, or ‘we the nation’, belies the mystical basis of constitutional authority.

      Public Choice and Constitutional Design

      Constitutional Design and Comparative Democratic Performance

    236. CameronB Brodie says:

      Aren’t the yoons looking to re-write the constitution so as to prevent the possibility of Scottish independence?

      Abusive Constitutionalism

      Putting “Abusive Constitutionalism” and Populism in Perspective

      The Populist Threat to Democratic Constitutionalism

    237. Tinto Chiel says:

      Twenty Gold Flake never tasted as sweet:

      Cheertbythenoo, pop-pickers.

    238. Tinto Chiel says:

      Cheerybythenoo obvs.

    239. Marie Clark says:

      Hi everybody, howzitgon. Hope Santa was good to you all, and now we’re just aboot ready to head into 2019. Here’s hoping it’s a better one for all of Scotland. I’ll leave you with a wee tune or two the first yin is a wee blast from the past.

      A guid New Year tae a’body when it comes Slainte.

    240. Marie Clark says:

      Oh aye here’s anither wee tune for you.

    241. Thepnr says:

      A Guid New Year to you too Marie and to all fellow zoomers of course. You’re included too Robert 🙂

    242. Marie Clark says:

      Jeez oh, we’re having some folk in shortly for a meal. The old boy just wandered into the kitchen, dressed for the evening. I think he’s been assisted by Stevie Wonder. Good Gordon Heelenders, my puir wee eyeballs.

      He’ll no be persuaded tae gang and chinge, oh dear.

    243. Tinto Chiel says:

      Thanks, Cameron. Managed to hypnotise myself. On Nibiru at the mo.

      See you some time, Marie, Thepnr and CBB. I am beyond the help of Harvey.

      Enjoy NYD 2037.

    244. William Wallace says:

      @ Liz G

      You too. x

      As for the rest of you “cold shoulder crew” groupies… Have a good one.

    245. CameronB Brodie says:

      Tinto Chiel
      It is a bit hypnotic, almost as if your falling in to it.

      Looking forward to it, possibly at a wings get-together in the New Year.

    246. CameronB Brodie says:

      As for the rest of you “cold shoulder crew” groupies…says the man that didn’t turn up to his own beach party.

      William Wallace
      All the best William and perhaps we’ll also get together in the new year.

    247. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Peeps.

      In the days when I was prone to do gigs on Hogmanay, this was the song I put on around 10 to midnight, immediately before “Auld Lang Syne”, leading up to the bells, as is Scottish tradition. None of this ALS AFTER the bells nonsense!

      Onnyhoo, a single from 1976. Play it again at 10 to midnight.

      BTW: as far as I know, he’s an Australian singist.

      Then you can go into this (from 2.56 onwards) My childhood:-

    248. X_Sticks says:

      Sending big love to all yous weirdos on OT.

      Sorry I’ve been quiet of late, just zoned out on other stuff right now. It’s a stage of life thing.

      Me and Ian we discussing the possibility of a Wings social towards the end of Feb in Glasgow. Venue TBC but central for travellers. Anyone else up for that?

    249. Thepnr says:


      I think they’ll be a few taking you up on that, me for one 🙂

    250. William Wallace says:

      @ CamB

      In my defence I have turned up to the wings tent several times since to say hello. 😉

      All the best to you and family for 2019 Cam. Hopefully see you at the February gathering.

    251. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Have a guid yin tonight friends!

      Gil Scott Heron, ‘Third World Revolution’ –

    252. CameronB Brodie says:

      Here’s a message to end the year on. The Tories are nationalists who reject science to a large extent. Ideologically, their morality does not extend to the universality of human rights, so I don’t wish the Tory cabinet “all the best”. The Prime minister also appears to be a white supremacist.

      Science can answer moral questions | Sam Harris

    253. CameronB Brodie says:

      William Wallace
      OK, I’m a slacker. 😉

    254. Marie Clark says:

      good morning fellow wingers, how are we all doing this fine morning. The sun is shining here in the southwest, I think I’ll take the wee dug for a walk.

      I hope that the heids are no too sair, try a paracetamol, or if you prefer a hair o’ the dug. That’s never one I can face if I’m feeling a bit under the weather.

      Onywho, it’s the start of the new year and the Rev seems to reckon it’s going to be a big one, so let’s get ready. Mind you, did Stu no predict that 2017 was going to be a boring year, how did that work out again.

      Happy new year folks.

    255. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. Theresa May saying the UK “never totally felt at home being in the EU”. If she means the New Right managed to achieve a narrow majority thanks to illegal practice and collusion with the corporate media, then I agree with her. As well as appearing to be a white supremacist, the Prime Minister also appears to be a populist manipulating the power of an outdated constitution. Her British nationalism is authoritarian English nationalism, simples.

      Majoritarian democracy and globalization versus ethnic diversity?


      While some types of democracy can sustain ethnic and cultural diversity, others can clearly undermine it. In The Dark Side of Democracy, Michael Mann argues that extreme crimes like genocide and ethnic cleansing tend to occur, or at least be legitimized, within a majoritarian democracy framework. This article broadens Mann’s approach in two directions: first, it confirms that majoritarian democracy in plural societies can provide the pre-existing institutional context where conflict, nationalism and exclusion can thrive, eventually degenerating into self-destruction. Second, it focuses on the tendency by some governments to turn to patriotism and populism as sources of legitimacy at a time when the latter appears to be crumbling.

      In addition, the article questions both the ‘democratic peace’ and the ‘failed democratization’ approaches for their reliance on an ideal type and fixed notion of democracy, arguing that the latter has been weakened by neoliberal globalization, particularly as it interacts with the legacy of pre-existing forms of majoritarianism. The article concludes that these forces need to be studied simultaneously in order to have a broader picture of the contemporary weakening of democratic practices and institutions within some nation-states.

      Keywords: democracy, nationalism, globalization, majoritarianism, ethnicity, diversity, neoliberalism, populism.

      Comparative Political Regimes: Consensus and Majoritarian Democracy

      How majoritarianism endures in the structures of the UK’s devolved institutions

    256. CameronB Brodie says:

      P.S. When the Prime-minister refers to “the nation”, it is almost certainly a picture of England she has in mind, given she is English and grew up in the bosom of the Anglican church. Susequently, she appears to believe all rational men have the same notion of good. She is afflicted with English utilitarianism.

    257. CameronB Brodie says:

      P.P.S. In order to rationalise his utilitarian ethics, Jeremy Bentham rejected universalism, resorted to God as the arbiter of an individual’s rights. No natural law, no principle of universal human rights. They are God given.

    258. Tinto Chiel says:

      Morning, Marie. Happy New Year.

      Just back from a ten mile walk with bending exercises and lashings of spring water.

      A song for all of us here:

    259. Tinto Chiel says:

      A peom wot I like, offering hope in midwinter:

      A mephator for our movement, innit?

    260. CameronB Brodie says:

      From the perspective of this Scottish resident, there doesn’t appear to be much respect for pluralism in the Prime-minister’s Brexit position.

      Participatory developments in majoritarian and consensus democracies


      Recently, many democracies have developed towards more citizens’ involvement in direct democracy or public deliberation. Are these developments linked to different types of democracy? Can public deliberation be mainly found in consensus democracies, whereas direct democracy prevails in majoritarian democracies? By analysing OECD countries around the year 2012, we examine these assumptions. The answer is surprisingly clear. The choice of a democracy to opt for direct democratic instruments or for public deliberation is neither dichotomous nor is it related to the respective pattern type of democracy. Based on these ?ndings, a new typology with four participatory models of democracy is suggested.

      Is Europe’s Problem Illiberal Majoritarianism or Creeping Authoritarianism?
      Hungary and Poland are not seeking illiberal democracy. They are sliding toward authoritarianism under a false presentation of the majority will.


    261. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. the UK “never totally felt at home being in the EU”. Lets get forensic. 😉

      Resolved: The European Union ought to use economic pressure to combat the spread of illiberal democracy among its members.

      Resolved: The European Union ought to use economic pressure to combat the spread of illiberal democracy among its members.

      There is an absurd amount being written on this topic by pundits, academics, and amateurs alike. When doing your own research, it will be hard to sift through. With human rights, civil liberties, the nature of democracy and liberalism, far-right xenophobia, and all the usual international drama that comes with the EU, topic literature is a little all over the place. Add to that very relevant peripheral events like the 2008 Recession, Brexit, and the 2015 Refugee Crisis, and you’ve got a seemingly endless number of core issues on this topic. For this resolution in particular, the further readings section in this brief will by far be the best place to start.

      The EU is currently facing challenges to its core political tenets, primarily by its members in Eastern Europe, Hungary and Poland in particular. While prospective members are examined with a fine-toothed comb to ensure their governments are properly liberal (minimal governmental encroachment on individual liberties, usually constitutionally ordained) and democratic (governments formed of and by the people), existing member states face far less scrutiny. Over the last decade, increasing globalization and cultural diffusion, along with a plethora of social, political, and economic crises (think: recession, refugee crisis, Greek bailout) have made conditions ripe for a populist, right-wing backlash. This “democratic-backsliding” comes in the form of sweeping constitutional amendments, weakened democratic institutions, and limits on basic liberties like free speech.

    262. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @William Wallace –

      HNY to you mister!


    263. William Wallace says:

      @ Ian

      All the best for 2019 and beyond Ian. I think it’s going to be a year we will never forget.

    264. CameronB Brodie says:

      One of the reasons I try to be succinct with my intros, is it minimises the risk of making daft statements.

      And now for some Behavioural Neuroscience. As I’ve said, I view British nationalism as a bad habit, a delusion, a culturally harmful social pathology. Fortunately, the brain is plastic, or at least its structure is. This means that we are able to re-shape our brains through learning, leading us to think and behave differently.

      For culturally and morally sterile nationalism, see British nationalism.

      What Is Brain Plasticity?
      How Experience Changes the Brain

      Brain Plasticity and Behavior

      Structural plasticity of the social brain: Differential change after socio-affective and cognitive mental training

    265. X_Sticks says:

      Had a wee chat with Ian last night and we’ve landed on a date for a Wings get-together.

      Friday 1st March Glasgow. Likely venue Counting House (reasonable cheap and central for travellers).

      If anyone has any other options it’s up for discussion so wire in.

    266. Tinto Chiel says:

      Anyone fancy some depravity with tongues?

    267. Tinto Chiel says:

      I’m writing a love letter:

      Hi X_Sticks. Unless March 1st is my Counterpane Collective AGM, I hope to be there.

    268. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Saturday would be my preference for a get-together because I work on Friday so it’s a bit of a ßügger timewise. Saturday means a more relaxed journey, for those of us who have to travel a fair distance.

      And a Happy New Year to abdee!

    269. X_Sticks says:


      Aye, valid point. you may not be the only one working on the Friday.

      Saturday might be a better bet.

      Happy New Year to you and Chris 🙂

    270. CameronB Brodie says:

      OK, so we can learn to be more caring members of society, right? A quality that contemporary British nationalism appears to have hollowed out of British civic society. That’s the Tory effect for you, the cultural embodiment of the moral psychology possessed by spiritually limited, bio-cognitively impaired, morally bankrupt, individualistic, delusional, traditionalists.

      Empathy and compassion


      As humans we are a highly social species: in order to coordinate our joint actions and assure successful communication, we use language skills to explicitly convey information to each other, and social abilities such as empathy or perspective taking to infer another person’s emotions and mental state. The human cognitive capacity to draw inferences about other peoples’ beliefs, intentions and thoughts has been termed mentalizing, theory of mind or cognitive perspective taking. This capacity makes it possible, for instance, to understand that people may have views that differ from our own. Conversely, the capacity to share the feelings of others is called empathy.

      Empathy makes it possible to resonate with others’ positive and negative feelings alike — we can thus feel happy when we vicariously share the joy of others and we can share the experience of suffering when we empathize with someone in pain. Importantly, in empathy one feels with someone, but one does not confuse oneself with the other; that is, one still knows that the emotion one resonates with is the emotion of another. If this self–other distinction is not present, we speak of emotion contagion, a precursor of empathy that is already present in babies.

      The Neuroscience of Empathy
      Neuroscientists identify specific brain areas linked to compassion.

      Social Plasticity

    271. X_Sticks says:

      Let’s put it this way.

      Me and Ian B are going for a beer or two on Sat the 2nd March in the Counting House in Glasgow.

      Anyone else who wants to come along is welcome.

      There. Sortit!

    272. Marie Clark says:

      I see that the MT has been invaded by the UDI crap again. Sighs. It was nice at Christmas when Trevor and friends were on holiday, but it would appear that they have returned and are catching some folk on their wee hooks. Deary me.

      Onywho, that’s a’ the visitors away. the tree and all the decorations doon and laid away for anither year, and the hoose squared up again. My it disnae half feel empty noo wi’ everything laid away. I feel as if I’ve been cooking fro the five thousand this year, it’s been never ending. Ebeneezer has informed me that there’ll be nae tree and stuff next year. He says that every year mind, but he hisnae realised yet that it’s no up tae him. Oh well heigh hao.

      Hope a’body is fine and that Santa came to all of you. Here’s looking at a busy 2019 for all of us. Hope that we will be hitting the campaign trail for indyref 2 or whitever it is to be soon.

    273. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      That sounds like a plan X_Sticks!

      Bus or car to get to the Counting House for teatime, a nosebag, then convivial blethers and pints!

    274. Tinto Chiel says:

      A song for the UDI Bacon Rollers, Marie. What time-wasters they are. Next week it’ll be “You have to use the Euro to join the EU” or some such. They’re getting very agitated.

      Must confess we relaxed at New Year and bought a big steak pie for six from a local butcher. ‘Twas most excellent.

      Ebeneezer has the right idea, imo.

    275. CameronB Brodie says:

      I missed Project Fear.

      Screamin’ Jay Hawkins – Little Demon

    276. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. “Britain is on the brink of an historic strategic decision”.

      I’m afraid I disagreed strongly with the claim that national character has no effect on the shape and performance of the economy. What are our public institutions other than expressions of national character? Britain’s structural racism certainly expresses itself through the Home Office, that’s for sure. Brexit is unlikely to help improve economic life and social mobility for the majority, so can not be justified ethically. Yet it has come about, despite the Civil Service Code of Conduct and Treasury rules controlling policy development.

      Britain’s national character is maladjusted and does not provide a platform for a sustainable, tolerant and inclusive society.

      Culture and Institutions

      Borders on the mind: re-framing border thinking

      On Borders and Power: A Theoretical Framework

      Bounded spaces in a ‘borderless world’: border studies, power and the anatomy of territory

    277. Chick McGregor says:

      R.I.P. and thank you Mr Ford.

    278. Marie Clark says:

      Tinto, aye I know that you agree with Ebeneezer, I remember that from last year. Ach well, he’s no a bad sowell, he cooked the tea tonight.

      How’s Harvey, I hope he behaved over Hogmanay. He didnae get into the drink cupboard I hope.

      Here’s a wee tune, cause it’s kinda how we all feel at the moment,especially on the MT. It wid burst yer heid as they say.

    279. Marie Clark says:

      PS Tinto, that’s no you in the video in the purple outfit is it?

    280. Tinto Chiel says:

      Well said, Chick. For some reason that kind of song means more the older you get.

      Marie, Harvey is still on Nibiru or Planet 10 after my unfortunate CBB-induced hypnotic interlude.

      Factual Correction: it wasn’t purple, it was heliotrope 😛

      On the bright side, at least my perm grew out!

    281. Tinto Chiel says:

      And since we’re approaching Burns Season (how come Burns clubs are fu’ of Yoons?), this is a fearfully exposed a Capella version of a classic.

      Short but powerful.

      I’m sling-shotting ayont Pluto to retrieve Harvey. I may be some time.

    282. hackalumpoff says:

      @ X_Sticks 1:54 pm

      I just checked my diary and it appears I have a wee job to do in Glaschu that very weekend.

    283. Tinto Chiel says:

      I thought on reflection it might be better to link to the Burns song 😛 .

      hackalumpoff: carry your bag, sir? I have an auger bit.

    284. hackalumpoff says:

      @ Tinto
      An Auger bit is no good for a night on the tiles. However, you could take a hammer in case Rev Stu appears.

      My all time fave poem:

    285. Tinto Chiel says:

      Evening, hackalumpoff.

      Chust sublime, mon vieux.

      Is this our No-to-Yes strategy for 2019?

      Have crampons, will travel.

    286. hackalumpoff says:

      @ Tinto
      Crampons, Hammers, Augers, indeed we have a mountain to conquer brother.

    287. Tinto Chiel says:

      Fairy Nuff, but I can’t go back to the slammer. I’m too pretty for the jyle.

    288. hackalumpoff says:

      @ Tinto

      It’s a Big Country, they’ll never find you.

      On the other hand I know people..

    289. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. law in the stupid age. Legal doctrine is struggling to cope with the ongoing assault on the meaning of language.

      Language and thought: Introducing representation

      2.2 The source of an utterance’s meaning: the words used or the speaker’s mind?

      How are we able to use language to communicate knowledge? Locke’s question, introduced in section 1, was recast as the obligation to spell out what ‘meaning’ amounts to as it figures within a simple theory of communication, repeated here:

      The simple theory of communication
      The successful communication of knowledge about the world is possible because speakers are able to produce utterances with a specific meaning, and recognition of that meaning by an audience enables them to appreciate what the speaker intends to communicate.

      This theory is, we saw, only genuinely explanatory if we can supplement it with a non-vacuous statement of what it is for an utterance to have the meaning it does. Our task in this section will be to explore ways of doing this….

      Reference and Representation in Thought and Language

      Social semiotics and social representations theory

    290. Tinto Chiel says:

      Hee, hee!

      I believe Mr Brotherhood has a plan for this month so until then I’m on the lam.

    291. chasanderson200 says:

      Need a wee sesh in Glasgow, dae ye mind if I join yourself and Ian B on 1st March.I promise no to make an arse of maself and uphold the integrity of such august and distinguished company. IF references arerequire

    292. CameronB Brodie says:

      Getting my links in a tangle there.

      Representation & the Media: Featuring Stuart Hall

    293. chasanderson200 says:

      Need a wee sesh in Glasgow, dae ye mind if I join yourself and Ian B on 1st March.I promise no to make an arse of maself and to uphold the integrity of such august and distinguished company. If references are
      required as to my standing as a man of good character I am sure BDTT or Peter Grant will (maybe?) provide same.

    294. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi chasanderson200.

      Saturday 2nd March.

      From up this page a wee bit…

      “X_Sticks says:
      2 January, 2019 at 1:54 pm

      Let’s put it this way.

      Me and Ian B are going for a beer or two on Sat the 2nd March in the Counting House in Glasgow.

      Anyone else who wants to come along is welcome.

      There. Sortit!”

      and, on the current main page at 9.24pm,

    295. X_Sticks says:


      It’s the 2nd Chas, and you’ll be very welcome. In fact I insist you join us 😉

    296. CameronB Brodie says:

      Brian Doonthetoon
      Sorry, I should have given you the nod Brian.

      The Wonderful Insults of Marx

    297. chasanderson200 says:

      X-Sticks and BDDT
      Thanks guys, ma brain needs an alcohol infusion….more than a fortnight since I had a pint!!!!!!

      Ahhh the joys of granpappyship ( not).

      See you on the 2nd.????

    298. CameronB Brodie says:

      Media literate Scots will probably be aware that Scottish academia is no stranger to ‘socially conservative’ ‘personalities’. This is a strand of a broader tapestry, and is another product of the structural racism that shapes Anglo/American culture, and so subsequently Scottish culture.

      White is the new black: populism and the academic alt-right

      “It is our duty to expose this moral agenda for what it is, not by ‘deplatforming’ them – only adding victimisation to their already lavish arsenal – but through reasoned argument.”

    299. CameronB Brodie says:

      Socialists, try and think outside your ideological bubble for a minute. The cultural meaning of words underpins our understanding of reality. Sex is biological, gender psychological. Apples aren’t oranges, trans-women aren’t women. Your insistence otherwise is anti-scientific and illiberal in nature.

      Here’s a human rights perspective on the issue.

      Women’s Rights and the Proposed Changes to the Gender Recognition Act

      ….One of the main reforms proposed is that anyone should be able to be formally recognised as a member of the other sex purely on the basis of self-identification. Therefore, the sole criterion for determining that a person is a woman would be that person’s belief (or stated belief) that they are a woman. Anyone who wants to be a woman would have to be viewed as one.

      The effect of this proposal becoming law would be to erode the very concept of woman. It will erase women’s lived experiences, and undermine women’s rights. Being a woman is about sex and biology, in that our bodies determine so much of our experience, and also about the way we are constructed socially, which also helps determine our lived experiences. It is not about how a person feels or what they claim to feel…..

    300. CameronB Brodie says:

      I don’t know if folk remember me mentioning a discussion I had with a young BLiS__D member. Though I was old enough to have been his father, he decided to call me “son” when it was obvious his logic was flawed, and suggested I update my understanding of feminism. That is the attitude that is supporting the GRA.

      Review of Visible Women: Essays on Feminist Legal Theory and Political Philosophy

      Feminism faces many challenges to its continued viability as both a social theory, and a political movement. Politically, the tides have turned against a range of equality enhancing projects. The rise of neo-liberal and neo-conservative political discourses has produced an environment hostile
      to the claims of feminism.’ Neo-liberalism insistence on individual self reliance, formal equality and minimalist governance has diverted attention away from political claims about redressing historical and systemic inequalities. Neoconservatism, by contrast, has fueled an anti-feminist backlash by rearticulating traditional gendered norms and roles. Add to this a general post-feminist malaise which views feminism as little more than historical vestige. Feminism’s political resonance is in serious trouble.

      Theoretically, feminism faces equally perilous challenges, though this time, often at the hands of its own. The critique of difference and essentialism has challenged the coherency of Woman as the subject of feminism, threatening its fragmentation into a multitude of competing identities. The postmodem critique has threatened to further shatter this subject of feminism, allegedly robbing it not only of its coherence, but of its agency, and its very commitment to political transformation. The queer theory critique has troubled the gendered division of feminism’s discourse – malelfemale, manlwoman – as constituting the troubled terrain that feminism seeks to disrupt.2 The foundational concepts of feminism – of women, oppression, political transformation – have all become sharply contested within the discourse of feminism.

      Feminist theory and politics face a crucial question: what is left after the critique of feminism. What is feminism after the demise of the Keynesian welfare state and its replacement with a neo-liberal state3 after the neo-conservative resurgence and the feminist backlash? After the critique of difference and identity, the critique of subjectivity, the critique of postmodemism and post-colonialism and queer theory? What of feminism remains, after being bruised and battered from inside and out, from political transformations and intellectual currents, from its friends and enemies? What is ‘feminism after’? The essays in Visible Women: Essays on Feminist Legal Theory and Political Philosophy clustered around several of these challenges confronting feminism. The editors, Susan James and Stephanie Palmer, begin their Introduction by flagging ‘the cultural shift away from feminism’ as a feature of intellectual and political life that must be grappled with by feminists.’ They frame the volume as one in which the authors engage critically to develop the intellectual tools required to ‘maintain and increase the visibility of women’.

      Despite the significant diverse theoretical frameworks and backgrounds of the contributors, many of the essays are specifically engaged with both the politics of difference and the challenge to the subject of feminism.4 See J Butler, Gender Trouble (1990); E Sedgewick The Epistemology of the Closet3 (1990). The Keynesian welfare state refers to the postwar state in many western democracies that was directed to address market failures, managing the economy and providing for the basic wellbeing of its citizens. In the 1980s, it began to be displaced by a neoliberal state, which has sought to limit state intervention in the economy, and redefine its role in relation to its citizens, no longer responsible for ensuring their basic welfare but only for helping citizens to help themselves.

      General Introduction to Theories of Gender and Sex

      Modules on Butler: On Gender and Sex

    301. CameronB Brodie says:

      OK, this is from across the pond. Can the GRA advance the case of non-binary identities without undoing legal doctrine?

      Rendering the Sexed Body Legally Invisible: How Transgender Law Hurts Women

      Whether she knew it or not, when Vanita Gupta, the acting head of the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice, stated earlier this month that trans women are women and trans men are men, she was making a metaphysical claim.

      Her claim is that men and women are not most fundamentally human persons. Rather, they are minds unmoored from human bodies. But the law does not govern human minds; indeed, it cannot. The law governs human persons, who are always and everywhere embodied. And human bodies are always and everywhere sexed….

      British philosopher Daniel Moody makes this point in his recent book, The Flesh Made Word. He writes:

      Sex points to the whole of somebody. If we were to take away John’s hands, we would be left with somebody, but to take away John’s sex we would need to take away the whole of this body, which would leave nobody. . . . Sex is neither a part of the body nor a property of the body. Sex is the name we use to point toward that thing which the body itself is constituted of. Sex is not something we do. It is something we are.

      Unable to redefine the natural realities named Male and Female, [the law] has instead separated its use of those names from the definitions belonging to non-interchangeable sexed bodies. John and Joan continue to be male-sexed and female-sexed and they can still legally access the names Male and Female. But in [law] those names no longer have bodies behind them. In ejecting sex from man-made law we eject whole bodies. [Thus,] Joan’s whole body has been left shrouded in a cloak of legal silence, legally invisible.

    302. CameronB Brodie says:

      I’m not sure if folk will remember a Critical Philosophy view I posted that suggested “performativety” is essentially a repackaging of Neo-liberalism, so has limited potential as a technology for progressive social transformation.

      Sexuality and Gender Identity: From a Discursive to a Relational Analysis


      This paper concentrates on the recent controversy over the division between sex and gender and the troubling of the binary distinctions between gender identities and sexualities, such as man and woman, heterosexual and homosexual. While supporting the troubling of such categories, I argue against the approach of Judith Butler which claims that these dualities are primarily discursive constructions that can be regarded as fictions. Instead, I trace the emergence of such categories to changing forms of power relations in a more sociological reading of Foucault’s conceptualization of power, and argue that the social formation of identity has to be understood as emergent within socio-historical relations. I then consider what implications this has for a politics based in notions of identity centred on questions of sexuality and gender.

      Human rights contestations: sexual orientation and gender identity

      On a Critical Realist Theory of Identity

    303. CameronB Brodie says:

      I’ll have to remember to sign-off.

      Thievery Corporation – All That We Perceive

    304. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Nothing to do with anything really but quite the cleverest and most uplifting piece of music I have ever listened to. Reminds me very much of the children dancing in the streets of the township in Kano when the first rains came.

    305. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      The original version of that adaptation of Toto’s big hit was by Perpetuum Jazzile – a Slovenian choir – and it’s shit hot as well.

      Which reminds of the point I have made recently. Such is the explosion of population in Africa,and in particular West Africa, the world is going to have to get its act together and initiate the re -irrigation of the Sahara wastes. It used to be forrested a couple of thousand years ago and there are literally trillions of gallons of water still under it.

    306. CameronB Brodie says:

      I hope folk have spotted the similarity of effect between the GRA and a Brexit that includes Scotland. The GRA will erase the legal personality, the embodiment, of what it means to be a woman. As with a Brexit that includes Scotland, our legal personality must hide in the shadow of English exceptionalism, so that we may “take back control”. A Brexit that includes Scotland is the articulation of misogynistic racism, simples. Well, it is a ‘policy’ from the English New Right, innit?


      The concept of the person is widely assumed to be indispensable for making a rights claim. But a survey of the concept’s appearance in legal discourse reveals that the concept is stretched to the breaking point. Personhood
      stands at the center of debates as diverse as the legal status of embryos and animals to the rights and responsibilities of corporations and nations. This
      Note analyzes the evidence and argues that personhood is a cluster concept with distinct components: the biological concept of the human being, the notion of a rational agent, and unity of consciousness. This suggests that it is the component concepts-not personhood itself-that are indispensable for grounding our moral and legal intuitions about rights. The component concepts also promote greater systematicity and coherence in legal reasoning. The Note concludes by suggesting some implications of this view for applied
      legal reasoning.

      Legal Personality as a Fundamental Concept of International Law

      The Concept of International Legal Personality, An Inquiry into the History and Theory of International Law

    307. CameronB Brodie says:

      Bob Marley – Get up, stand up

    308. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Dave McEwan Hill –

      Thanks for the link to that choir. Quite incredible intro, haven’t seen anything like that before.


    309. Tinto Chiel says:

      Hope Smallaxe enjoyed that one, Cameron.

      Back to the future:

      First British No.1 in the US of A, I believe.

    310. Tinto Chiel says:

      Michael Ventris was brilliant.

    311. CameronB Brodie says:

      Tinto Chiel
      I certainly had Smallaxe in mind. It must be true what they say, nations are imagined communities.

    312. CameronB Brodie says:

      Imagined communities that are limited in cultural and territorial authority.

    313. CameronB Brodie says:

      So the yoons are weaponising anti-Semitism and the cultural guilt associated with the Holocaust? This hardcore misrepresentation is aimed at robbing Scots of their agency.

      Now for a bit of Cognitive Psychotherapy and stuff.

      Eliciting Guilty Feelings: A Preliminary Study Differentiating Deontological and Altruistic Guilt

      Guilt has been identified as both an intrapsychic and an interpersonal emotion. The current study presents evidence of the existence of two senses of guilt, deontological and altruistic guilt, induced through different experimental paradigms. Deontological guilt evolves from having slighted moral authority or norms, while altruistic guilt arises from selfish behavior and the distress of others. We hypothesize that specific stimuli would evoke, separately, deontological guilt and altruistic/interpersonal guilt feelings. Two different procedures were used to test our hypothesis, adding two emotions as control conditions (i.e. anger and sadness). Results clearly indicate that two different guilt emotions can be evoked separately, by appropriate stimulation. Findings and possible clinical implications are discussed.

      Keywords: Guilt, Deontological Guilt, Altruistic Guilt, Emotions

      The Impact of the Holocaust on Politics- by Professor Shewach Weiss

      Holocaust Memory in Contemporary Narratives: Towards a Theory of Transgenerational Empathy

    314. CameronB Brodie says:

      I haven’t played these guys for a while.

      Chumbawamba & Credit To The Nation – Enough Is Enough

    315. Tinto Chiel says:

      I can see colours, man……

    316. hackalumpoff says:

      Quiet in here, Christy will cheer you up.

    317. hackalumpoff says:

      One for Cactus, our very own Midnight Cowboy.

    318. CameronB Brodie says:

      A contribution to the fuzz-fest, a love songs for the age of trans-cult extremism. I wanted to play “Right Side Of Woman”, but the only clip I could find was crap.

      P.S. They’re French. 🙂

      Sonic Chicken 4 – Sexiest

    319. CameronB Brodie says:

      Man this is taking me back in time. Gender ideology is how one practices one’s sexual identity, so it’s something most of us do given the chance. ‘Trans-activism’ is a political movement that employs totalitarian tactics to advance an anti-scientific agenda. As their ideology is illiberal in nature, it requires state/NGO/voluntary sector assistance in order to gain public traction.

      How (the Meaning of) Gender Matters in Political Economy

      My review of feminist political economy positions has indicated the breadth and depth of scholarship in the past decade. The issues that feminists debate reflect differing empirical/substantive priorities, ideological preferences and, especially, epistemological orientations. In particular, feminists are differentiated by how they understand and deploy gender: as an empirical category that tends to become a synonym for ‘women’ (in relation to ‘men’) or as an analytical category that pervades meaning systems more generally. The former is an indispensable starting point and continually generates a wealth of research for gendering political economy. In so far as empirical gender is compatible with orthodox methods, it is more acceptable and credible, which affords important strategic advantages.

      By comparison, analytical gender entails a theoretical shift toward more constructivist and poststructuralist orientations, which (variously) accord a constitutive (not exclusive!) role to intersubjective meaning systems. This too has generated rich resources for gendering political economy; it expands and deepens our inquiry, but also complicates it. In so far as gender operates as a governing code, criticising it disrupts foundational assumptions, orthodox methodologies and theoretical frameworks. This renders it less accessible and/or acceptable, and fuels resistance to these orientations and what are perceived to be their political implications. I argue, however, that, unless we shift our epistemological orientation, feminism’s most trenchant and transformative insights remain effectively invisible: neither accurately understood nor analytically comprehended. ‘Adding women/gender’ is essential, but an exclusive focus on doing so misses too much and denies us crucial – not coincidental – resources for analysing political economy….

      Introduction: Gender and Politics: A Gendered World, a Gendered Discipline

      A Critical Analysis of Gender Mainstreaming

    320. CameronB Brodie says:

      Forgot to sign-off again.

      Sonic Chicken 4 – Girl 66

    321. Liz g says:

      Aw.. Smallaxe
      Tonight jist because…It’s that kind O’ night
      Been thinking of ye and hoping yer well?
      Much love tae you and Mrs Smallaxe XXX

    322. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. Scotland taking its place among the nations of earth. Here’s some Post-Colonial thought and International Relations Theory.

      Post-Colonialism: A Post-Colonial Perspective on Peacebuilding


      It is not coincidental that much ‘peacebuilding’ activity is targeted at postcolonial societies. Some might argue that persistent conflict and fragmentation, the failure of governance, ongoing violations of human rights, and the failure of economic development render inevitable the imperative to intervene in order to ‘put things right’. It is this account or narrative of ‘failure’ that runs through and informs interventionist practices, the remit of which is primarily ‘governance’. This is also a developmentalist account, one that assumes target societies to be in the process of ‘catching up’, conforming to models drawn up in international organizations, national governmental agencies and the non-governmental sector that they sustain. The machinery of peacebuilding is, hence, vast; it is institutionally now strongly embedded in the bureaucratic and normative order of the international.

      The aim in this chapter is to provide an indication of how this machinery might be viewed from the vantage point of locations in the post-colonial world. This is no easy task theoretically, conceptually or methodologically, and as such, the pointers presented can only be indicative of the content of what a post-colonial perspective on peacebuilding might or should look like. Two structural forces, discursive and material, inform this vantage point: the colonial legacy and its continuing impact on the present, and the unequal structure of the global political economy.

      Political Community Global Governance Colonial Rationality Structural Force Disciplinary Perspective

      The end of liberal international order?

      The US-led liberal order: imperialism by another name?

      Well, I’m a bit of a radical feminist, apparently. 🙂

      The Litter – Whatcha Gonna Do About It?

    323. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. those who are still to change their mind over the future of Scotland’s legal personality. There were many reasons folk were not sufficiently confident to vote Yes in 2014, most of them outwith their control. The media environment seriously impaired the ability of Scots to make informed, rational decisions, so the vote was decided largely through the emotional fear of loss. Although I expect ProjectFear2 will be cunning and unprincipled, the site of battle will be better suited to our aim. Folk don’t like to be told who they are and what to do, that’s authoritarian totalitarianism.

      Scotland needs to come together and show the MayBot what real solidarity looks like.

      Empathy-Motivated Forgiveness: The Influence of Empathy, Prior Experience, and Contextual Factors in Route to Forgiveness of a Transgressor

      Barriers to forgiveness

      Cornerstones of Persuasion: Inclusion and Empathy

    324. CameronB Brodie says:

      The Persuasions – Good Times

    325. CameronB Brodie says:

      @Kevin Hague
      You appear not to support the principle of universal human rights and are simply unqualified to claim any intellectual authority in this debate, you nationalist FUD.

      Brexit, psychotherapy and moral psychology: individualism versus the common good

      So, following Brexit in June 2016, should we rename our journal The European and Un-United United Kingdom Journal for Psychotherapy and Counselling? And, what role if any should psychotherapists have in influencing clients’ politics? There are many possible theories we might draw on in exploring conscious and unconscious forces in the UK voting for Brexit. We might, for example, look to our theories in attempting to explain apparent instinctual reactions about immigration and giving away money ‘without getting anything in return’. However, I would like to focus on the extent to which psychological therapists’ default position is the promotion of individualism at the expense of the common good (and, it might be argued, the individual). Also how together with the rise of the populist likes of Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, Marine Le Pen and other politicians across Europe who some would see as encouraging racism, moral psychology is also, perhaps helpfully, in the ascendency. This notion of how we consider right from wrong, regardless of whether we see it as ‘universal’ or culturally influenced’, is not usually directly a subject for psychotherapy training. So is there perhaps too much of a tendency to attempt to free our clients from the constraints of others and not enough attention paid to how our clients constrain and detrimentally affect others’ lives?

      Is it right, as is happening in the UK, that when the rich get tax breaks, the poor get austerity? Is it right to state as leading Brexit campaigner Michael Gove ‘I think people in this country have had enough of experts’? (Let alone, albeit with a later apology, comparing them with the Nazis who denounced Albert Einstein in the 1930s.) Is it right to raise anti-immigrant feelings as occurred when Nigel Farage produced a poster of non-white immigrants crossing the Croatia/Slovenia border in 2015 (Cowburn, 2016 Cowburn, A. (2016) Michael Gove apologises for comparing economic experts warning against Brexit to Nazis, The Independent. Retrieved September 7, 2016, from
      [Google Scholar])? Is it right that senior politicians such as Boris Johnson continued to use the slogan ‘we send the EU £350 million a week, let’s fund the NHS instead’, as emblazoned on his battle bus, when previously respected bodies (such as the UK Statistics Authority) reported that the figure is wrong; and, the National Health Service logo is used without permission, and it turns out after the referendum there is no intention to spend it on the NHS? (The Independent, 2016 The Independent. (2016, June 27). Brexit: £350 million a week for the NHS only ‘an aspiration’ – Says vote leave campaigner Chris Grayling. The Independent. [Google Scholar])….

    326. CameronB Brodie says:

      Sorry, I forgot to sign-off again, so here’s some mopre geeky stuff.

      Immigration, political trust, and Brexit – Testing an aversion amplification hypothesis


      A few weeks prior to the EU referendum (23rd June 2016) two broadly representative samples of the electorate were drawn in Kent (the south?east of England, N = 1,001) and Scotland (N = 1,088) for online surveys that measured their trust in politicians, concerns about acceptable levels of immigration, threat from immigration, European identification, and voting intention. We tested an aversion amplification hypothesis that the impact of immigration concerns on threat and identification would be amplified when political trust was low. We hypothesized that the effect of aversion amplification on voting intentions would be mediated first by perceived threat from immigration, and then by (dis) identification with Europe. Results in both samples were consistent with this hypothesis and suggest that voters were most likely to reject the political status quo (choose Brexit) when concerns that immigration levels were too high were combined with a low level of trust in politicians.

      Brexit and moral foundation framing: the key to a People’s Vote is in Vote Leave’s hands

      The Personality of Brexit Voters


    327. CameronB Brodie says:

      Brexit psychology: cognitive styles and their relationship to nationalistic attitudes

      I must say I’m a bit miffed that nobody gave me the nod for using Critical Evolutionery Psychology to critique the DUP. Well, polatics is a drag. 😉

    328. CameronB Brodie says:


    329. CameronB Brodie says:

      @Kevin Hague
      Seriously dude, your argument is heading in an entirely unsupportable direction. Time to call it a day and leave the debate.

      A Discourse Analysis of the UK Referendum CAMPAIGN on EU Membership
      The Case of Michael Gove‘s “The facts of Life say Leave“ Speech


      In this IEP Research Paper the author Elisabeth Weißbecker uses Ruth Wodak’s Discourse-Historical Approach to analyse “The Facts of Life say Leave” speech by Michael Gove in order to examine how the case for Brexit was made in the referendum campaign. Weißbecker shows that his argumentation relies on numerous misrepresentations of the EU and the delegitimisation of the opposing ‘Remain’ camp by ridicule, in order to convey that leaving the EU is a promising prospect while staying is a danger. Gove’s argumentation benefits from a historically negative EU-discourse based on negative media coverage, politicians’ EU-bashing rhetoric, a cultural distance and a disdain for supranationalism, suggesting that the referendum result can be traced throughout the UK-EU relationship.

      (En)Countering Writing Conventions: Critical Language Awareness Teaching Aid

      Mediating Populism

    330. CameronB Brodie says:

      Talking Heads – Once in a Lifetime

    331. david says:

      Hello CameronB, persumably that Talking Heads song is the “Unionists Say No to a Second Indyref” version. 😉

    332. CameronB Brodie says:

      Trolling? Me? 🙂

    333. CameronB Brodie says:

      Conservatives aren’t all the same, they vary in degrees of humanity, as we all do. Don’t blame them though for being anti-social, it’s a biological thing. Remember, socially conservative individuals tend to lack the brain architecture responsible for the capacity to feel genuine empathy towards others. They must rely on compensatory mechanisms in order to appear human (see the MayBot). They are socially handicapped and deserve sympathy not scorn.

      Political Neuroscience

      1. Political Neuroscience
      The field of political science has traditionally had close ties to disciplines like economics, history, and sociology. While political science has always been somewhat interdisciplinary in nature, in recent years this interdisciplinary approach has expanded to include biology, psychology, and neuroscience. This interest in the human sciences has led to the development of new subfields within political science, including biopolitics, political psychology, and political neuroscience (also called neuropolitics). What these new subfields have in common is an interest in individual human behavior and decision-making as an approach to understanding political behavior. While political science has traditionally focused on understanding politics in the aggregate, new methods and techniques are improving our ability to understand political behavior at the individual level and consider how individual differences in information processing may give rise to political behavior that is observed at the mass level.

      The Neurobiology of Political Belief
      The long road to truly understanding what causes our political beliefs.

      Conservatism and the neural circuitry of threat: economic conservatism predicts greater amygdala–BNST connectivity during periods of threat vs safety

    334. Tinto Chiel says:

      Scotland in 2019:

      Should I have Jon and Vangelised?

    335. Tinto Chiel says:

      This should really be played at one in the morning but wottheheck:

      A pencil sketch of Humphrey B.


    336. Tinto Chiel says:

      Etruscan was spoken in Tuscany and beyond but was extinct by about 100 A.D. It is regarded by most linguists as an isolate, i.e. like Basque, unrelated to any other tongue.

      Emperor Claudius’s wife was Etruscan and he wrote a 20-volume history of the people and a dictionary which he compiled by talking to old Tuscan rustics.

      Both works are now lost, unfortunately.

      That is all, groovers: just had to share.

    337. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. human values. I blame the parents, frankly. Well, we’re talking about the human animal, so it’s a bio-cultural thing.

      Does neuroscience threaten human values?

      Neurobiological Foundations of an Attribute Model of Memory

      The Behavioral Neuroscience of Motivation: An Overview of Concepts, Measures, and Translational Applications

      The Neurobiological Foundations of Valuation in Human Decision Making under Uncertainty

    338. cearc says:

      Nice one, TC. I didn’t know that Etruscan was an isolate. Shame about the dictionary.

    339. CameronB Brodie says:

      Please remember that the conservatively minded are not best suited to handling new situations. Particularly if they are complex in nature (see Brexit).

      Cultural Neuroscience of Identity Development

      Abstract and Keywords

      Identity development is conceptualized as a series of distinct stages in the developmental pathway, including acquisition of self-knowledge, establishment of independence and personal continuity, and acquisition of a sense of affiliation. For those negotiating more than one cultural/racial/ethnic identity, a unique set of stages may be undertaken in the development of identity, particularly during the transition from adolescence to adulthood. Although the sociocultural factors that shape identity development are relatively well-conceptualized, much less well understood are the biological mechanisms that facilitate identity development throughout the lifespan for both majority and minority group members.

      This chapter discusses sociocultural and biological pathways of identity development through the lens of cultural neuroscience, elucidating how dynamic culture-biology interactions shape the development of social identity in majority and minority group members and the etiology underlying adaptive social development in people living in monocultural and diverse multicultural communities.

      Keywords: Cultural neuroscience, identity development, social and affective neuroscience, developmental neuroscience, diversity, race and ethnicity, self-construal style

      Understanding the Neurobiological Basis of Behavior: A Good Way to Go

      Retrieval and Reconsolidation: Toward a Neurobiology of Remembering

      Nouvelle Vague – Master & Servant

    340. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. Barry Gardiner. His comments contained negligable relation to reality, so would be unlikely to bring about effective change in the real world. Britain apparently doesn’t have an opposition. If you think the vulnerable are already suffering in austerity Brexitania, you’ve not seen anything yet.

      IMHO, the Establishment have run out of ideas and both the left and right simply want to start from scratch. Brexit will certainly give them that opportunity, IMHO.

      re. the New Right and the New Left, values and Brexit.

      The Problem of Nihilism: A Sociological Approach

      The critique of nihilism, defined as nothingness, caused by the complut lack of authentic values and true ends, has almost completely disappeared from the Western intellectual discourse. In Ms article me author tries to find the reason for this. Examining the concept of nihilism, one discovers that there is no common property that causes persons or society as a whole to be called nihilistic. Therefore, nihilism is studied, not as an easting thing, but as a label. Since the concept ofnihilism was first used in the cornea of the process of modernization in the time of the French revolution, some major figures from the French sociological tradition who have an articulate opinion on it—for or against—are selected for a case study: pre-revolutionary writers, Montesquieu, Voltaire and Rousseau; and post-revolutionary writers, Maistre, Tbcqueville, Comte, and Durkheim.

      They all are found to label as “nihilistic “people who an, in one way or another, their adversaries on the issue of modernization. They feel threatened by the labelled, in Wittgenstein’s terminology, in their form of life. Therefore, the use of the concept of nihilism is a case of what Berger and Ludanam call “nihilation, ” the conceptual elimination of a competing form of life. Typical of the label of nihilism is an understanding of the world in metaphysical, not in theological terms, as was the case in earlier times of great upheaval, when heresy and witchcraft were the appropriate labels. There is a continuity between these labels, now extensively studied, and the use of “nihilism. “

      What Nietzsche’s philosophy can tell us about why Brexit and Trump won
      Hugo Drochon’s new book on Nietzsche can teach us about American populism and European disintegration.

      Straddling the Political Line Between Nihilism and Existentialism
      Because the side you fall on can change everything

      Strategies for dealing with emotional nihilism

    341. CameronB Brodie says:

      Bauhaus – Bela Lugosi’s Dead

    342. CameronB Brodie says:

      @Priti Patel MP
      Oi, here’s a view from anthropological philosophy. Take your nationalism, not patriotism, and ram it. Do you support the doctrine of international law and the principle of universal human rights? I think not.



      Religion and science dialogues that orbit around rational method, knowledge, and truth are often, though not always, contentious. In this article, I suggest a different cluster of gravitational points around which religion and science dialogues might usefully travel: philosophical anthropology, ethics, and love. I propose seeing morality as a natural outgrowth of the human desire to establish and maintain social bonds so as not to experience the condition of being alone. Humans, of all animals, need to feel loved—defined as a compassionate present?with in dynamic dyadic relation such that one experiences the sense of mattering—but that need has an equally natural tendency to be met by creating biased us?and?them distinctions. A “critical” natural ethics, then, is one in which we become aware of and work to undermine our tendency to reify in?group distinctions between “us” and “them.” Religious communities that work intentionally on this can be seen, to some extent, as laboratories of love—or as sites for co?creating knowledge in perilous times.

      @Church of Scotland
      Still support the yoonyawn?

    343. CameronB Brodie says:

      Boy my proof reading is bad. Almost as bad as my spelling. Here’s some more philosophical anthropology.

      A Rap on Race: Margaret Mead and James Baldwin’s Rare Conversation on Forgiveness and the Difference Between Guilt and Responsibility

      “We’ve got to be as clear-headed about human beings as possible, because we are still each other’s only hope.”

      NOTE: This is the first installment in a multi-part series covering Mead and Baldwin’s historic conversation. Part 2 focuses on identity, race, and the immigrant experience; part 3 on changing one’s destiny; part 4 on reimagining democracy for a post-consumerist culture.

      Truth and Reconciliation for Social Darwinism
      Towards a New Social Darwinism

      The strong taking from the weak is an ever-present danger in both human and nonhuman societies. In human societies, the strong taking from the weak is often accompanied by moral justifications. These moral justifications are constructed from the elements of the culture that are at hand, which could be tribal, religious, nationalistic, or scientific. Thus, it should come as no surprise that Darwin’s theory was pressed into this kind of service. However, it is clear from the historical record that at most, it was merely an arrow added to a quiver already full of other arrows. Darwin’s theory did not lead to an epidemic of social policies that enabled the strong to take from the weak. At most, a perverted form of the theory was used to justify policies that were already in place….

      ‘A spiritual tradition of self-understanding’: Open to Reason: Muslim Philosophers in Conversation with the Western Tradition

      Souleymane Bachir Diagne introduces us to his new book examining some of the most fruitful dialogues that have occurred, and continue to occur, between Muslim thinkers and philosophers from the Western tradition. Such conversations demonstrate that philosophy is not the sole preserve of a single culture but a vibrant, dynamic exchange of ideas across time. Diagne’s presentation of the deep historical relationship between Muslim philosophers and Western thought is particularly resonant in this time of fraught debate concerning the compatibility of Islam and Western society….

      My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult – Devil Bunnies

    344. CameronB Brodie says:

      I think Brian Wilson has just proven he has rejected the principle of self-interest and so, subsequently, rational thought an reason. The yoon’s a bam. Certainly hasn’t come into contact with Critical Realism. Wants to take his chances in Brexitania, governed by populist English nationalists. I can’t see them empowering Scotland’s potential, they’re driven by New Right Darwinism, Dark Money and English exceptionalism.


    345. CameronB Brodie says:

      Second thoughts, he’s simple a selfish prick.

    346. CameronB Brodie says:

      @Brian Wilson
      Do you not appreciate your position undermines the principle of universal human rights, globally? Sort yourself out or declare yourself a Tory.

    347. Tinto Chiel says:

      Hi, cearc. I suppose there is a chance the dictionary is languishing somewhere in the vast Vatican library but access is extremely restricted and no browsing/fishing is allowed.

      Hope you are out the medical “slammer” and 2019 is a better year health-wise for you.

    348. CameronB Brodie says:

      So the British Army are using the vocabulary of the alt-right to attract new recruits. That’s radicalisation of the youth, British style.

    349. cearc says:

      TC, well yes, the vatican library is almost as good as lost being treated more as a private possession than a world resource. Hopefully, one day it will become less secretive and more accessible.

      I was home for a fortnight but back in last week and for a couple more days. I think I can safely assume that it will not be a great health year but should be improving in time. So planning jaunts and gatherings may be a bit tricky for a wee while.

      Still, the food’s good.

    350. Tinto Chiel says:

      Hope you get better soon and can really enjoy the spring when it comes, cearc. Nana told me the food Where You Were is pretty good as she has sampled it herself, I think.

      At least we know Claudius’s works didn’t perish in the fire at the library at Alexandria, ‘cos it was burned down by Julius Caesar, the Roman geezer, before they were written 😛 .

      Harvey tells me we at least have the Hall of Records under the Sphinx’s left paw to consult, so it’s all pretty peachy.

    351. CameronB Brodie says:

      Poor spelling can actually produce some remarkable search results. Here’s some Social Anthropology and stuff. Vive la Integrity. 😉

      The heritage of Brexit: Roles of the past in the construction of political identities through social media


      This article assesses the role of the pre-modern past in the construction of political identities relating to the UK’s membership in the European Union by examining how materials and ideas from Iron Age to Early Medieval Britain and Europe were leveraged by those who discussed the topic of Brexit in over 1.4 million messages published in dedicated Facebook pages. Through a combination of data-intensive and qualitative investigations of textual data, we identify the ‘heritages’ invoked in support of pro- or anti-Brexit sentiments. We show how these heritages are centred around myths of origins, resistance and collapse that incorporate tensions and binary divisions.

      We highlight the strong influence of past expert practices in shaping such deeply entrenched dualistic thinking and reflect over the longue durée agency of heritage expertise. This is the first systematic study of public perceptions and experience of the past in contemporary society undertaken through digital heritage research fuelled by big data. As such, the article contributes novel methodological approaches and substantially advances theory in cultural heritage studies. It is also the first published work to analyse the role of heritage in the construction of political identities in relation to Brexit via extensive social research.

      Keywords Digital heritage, political identities, Brexit, imperialism, big data, Roman, pre-Roman, Medieval

      Brexit, Archaeology and Heritage: Reflections and Agendas

      Why Brexit matters for the humanities and social sciences
      Ash Amin and Philip Lewis explain the issues – and what the British Academy advocates.

    352. CameronB Brodie says:

      My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult – The Days of Swine and Roses

    353. Tinto Chiel says:

      I’ve always liked the sly lyrics of this song, its infectious bass line and simple but effective key change at 2.08.

      “She’s got cheekbones like geometry and eyes like sin,

      And she’s sexually enlightened by Cosmopolitan.”

      Pure peotry in my view, Poindexters.

    354. CameronB Brodie says:

      OK, it’s a bust. 🙂

      The EU Global Strategy after Brexit – A Chinese View

      Xi Jinping?Work Together to Build the Silk Road Economic Belt and The 21st Century Maritime Silk Road

      China and Brexit: what’s in it for us?

      Beat It

    355. cearc says:

      I’m sure I will enjoy the spring but this will not be over by then.

      Not just the food but view is great as well looking right over Inverness and the hills. Yep, oor local is nae bad. Of course the internal climate is unbearably hot and dry but the car’s in the carpark for a bit of wet and damp.

    356. CameronB Brodie says:

      Brexit exposes the incompatibility of British nationalism with the principle of universal human rights. The two ideologies are mutually exclusive, without the necessary political infrastructure and will to enhance Britain’s claim to democratic pluralism. Scots are unable to make effective claims to rights without legal identity and personality. British nationalism only appears to recognise the legal identity of those living in England, Wales and N. Ireland. That should concern those living in Scotland.

      Identity, Nationalism and Anthropologists

      From Brexit to Trump: Anthropology and the rise of nationalist populism

      Cutting Scotland Loose: A Southern Briton’s Response to Preston

      Pitbull Timber

    357. CameronB Brodie says:

      Mutually excluding

    358. CameronB Brodie says:

      As far as I’m concerned, Scottish Yes Tories could benefit from putting some thought into their name. Their support for independence suggests they are [c]onservative Conservatives who support the rule of law and human rights, not anti-social extremist of the New Right (i.e BritNat Tories).

      And now for some more Social Anthropology.

      A Response to Gardner and Harrison: the Reasons for, and Implications of, Brexit from an Anthropological Standpoint

      This is a response to the Brexit, Archaeology and Heritage workshop held in May 2017 at the Institute of Archaeology, UCL. On the 23rd of June 2016, the majority of the United Kingdom (UK) electorate voted in favour of leaving the European Union (EU), despite the implications of such a decision being unclear. Now, a year on, and with Article 50 signed, it is still no clearer what the terms of ‘Brexit’ are, or how the UK will fare culturally, socially, and economically as a result. This discussion article presents aspects of the author’s research relating to the link between voting decisions and life history theory conducted as part of her Master’s research.

      Keywords: Archaeology, Heritage, Brexit, Anthropology, Post-Truth

      Brexit: Where once was an empire

      Social and Cultural Perspectives on Brexit Britain: Identity, Belonging and the Media

    359. CameronB Brodie says:

      KMFDM – Help Us/Save Us/Take Us Away

    360. CameronB Brodie says:

      It isn’t possible to understand Brexit without acknowledging the reality that austerity laid the terrain of the Brexit campaign. Right, who’s for a bit of Social Policy and perhaps some more Social Anthropology?

      Welfare, Austerity and Social Citizenship in the UK


      Viewed within their historical context, recent cuts to public social spending and increasingly governmental welfare reforms reflect and beget a shift in the praxis of social citizenship in the UK. This review article demonstrates how greater conceptual attention to the constitutive features of social citizenship can help clarify some of the claims made about its relation to austerity and welfare reform within the existing literature. Through schematic consideration of the emerging evidence, this article suggests that welfare austerity is undermining the ‘effectiveness’, ‘inalienability’ and ‘universality’ of social citizenship in the UK.

      The realities of living on welfare are significantly different from government and media characterisations

      Unwrapping solidarity? Society reborn in austerity

      The Upsetters – Grumblin’ Dub

    361. cearc says:


      Could anyone imagine a UK think tank writing such an eloquent and elegant report! A pleasure to read.

      Xi Jinping?Work Together to Build the Silk Road Economic Belt and The 21st Century Maritime Silk Road

    362. CameronB Brodie says:

      I suspect that’s the effect of a differnt cultural aesthetic to that of the west. Glad you appreciated it.

    363. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. Scotland’s “potential” and why Brian Wilson is a FUD.

      What is (and what isn’t) critical realism?

      Critical realism is a meta-theory for social sciences. It is concerned with aspects of the philosophy of science, ontology, epistemology, and aetiology, along with conceptions of what constitutes an explanation, a prediction, and what the objectives of social science ought to be.

      The aim of this seminar is to explain what critical realism is, by clarifying what it isn’t. It will compare and contrast critical realism with two other meta-theoretical perspectives, loosely referred to as ‘positivism’ and ‘idealism’ – with the distinction based upon three different ontologies. The consequences, in terms of epistemology, aetiology, explanation, prediction, the objectives of social science and other conceptions will then be traced out.

      The seminar assumes no familiarity with critical realism and should be of use to anyone working in any social science discipline.

      Professor Steve Fleetwood is a leading authority on critical realism in social science generally, and labour economics, work and employment studies, and organization and management studies in particular. He recently co-authored Explaining the Performance of Human Resource Management, Cambridge
      University Press, with Anthony Hesketh.

      Exploring the Concept of Causal Power in a Critical Realist Tradition

      Culture, context and society – The underexplored potential of critical realism as a philosophical framework for theory and practice

    364. CameronB Brodie says:

      Max Romeo – Chase The Devil

    365. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Tinto Chiel at 3.20

      My top four Scottish records of all time are “Perfect Skin”, “Lost Weekend” (Lloyd Cole and the Commotions), “Ordinary Angel” (Hue and Cry)and Pick Up The Pieces (AWB).

    366. Tinto Chiel says:

      @DMH: in these matters you have exquisite taste 😉 .

    367. Tinto Chiel says:

      It’s a beautiful morning and I’m honing my doorstep techniques for the approaching Indyref2 campaign with this self-help video:

      That should do the trick.

    368. CameronB Brodie says:

      I hope Priti Patel comes to regret not choosing an alternative narrative to her rather narrow and unhistorical account of Britain’s heritage, and its’ generative role in the production of British culture.

      A Reflection on Identities, Culture Models and Power


      We reflect on interrelationship patterns between cultures and identities, first focusing on what we mean by culture and then analysing four cultural models — monocultural, multicultural, intercultural and transcultural and their impact on identity construction. Pointing to the dangers of the monocultural model that promotes essentialist and homogenizing identity classifications, we discuss the specific weight of national identity in the multicultural paradigm. We also describe the fundamental characteristics of the intercultural perspective and the view of identities understood as a result of cultural hybridization. We conclude by considering a proposal for a transcultural perspective.

      Keywords: monocultural model, multiculturalism, interculturalism, transcultural model, identity, hybridization

      Agency and Culture


      This article analyzes two viewpoints concerning the relation of agency and culture. One viewpoint construes agency as a personal trait that operates outside of culture and is designed to liberate the individual from cultural constraints. I explore this viewpoint in the work of several eminent cultural psychologists. I critique it as a regression to asocial individualism which cultural psychology was designed to correct. I propose an alternative conception of agency as a cultural phenomenon. Espoused by Durkheim, Marx, Boas, and Bhaskar, this conception holds that agency depends upon cultural processes for its realization, forms culture, and has a cultural form. Agency is the active element of culture. Being a cultural phenomenon means that agency is a historical project which must be realized through humanizing society.

      In recent years scholars in the field of cultural psychology have endeavored to articulate the role of agency in culture. Their point is that people are not passive recipients of a reified entity called culture. Rather, people play an active role in making and remaking culture, and the manner in which their psychology is culturally organized. More precisely, agency is the intentional causal intervention in the world, subject to the possibility of a reflexive monitoring of that intervention (Bhaskar, 1989, p. 81).

      Of course, the kinds of intervention in the world that agency can effect, as well as the sources of intentionality that inspire and constrain the intervention, are subject to different interpretations. The cultural psychologists who espouse active agency construe it as producing individual, personal acts and attitudes. Accordingly, agency makes and remakes culture through creating personal meanings about the significance of things and through acts such as choosing particular kinds of friendships, jobs, or consumer products. According to this conception, individuals negotiate their life styles in interpersonal dialogues, or they construct their psychological “life spaces” individually, independent of even interpersonal, linguistic interactions. In neither case are broader social constraints on these constructions acknowledged. I call this approach an individualistic view of agency because it explains facts about social phenomena in terms of facts about individuals (ibid., p. 27).

      The individualistic approach is a curious reversal in cultural psychology because the field originated in order to develop a social view of psychology that corrected the individualistic focus of mainstream psychology. Through critiquing the individualistic model of agency, I shall attempt to reverse this reversal (negate the negation) and develop a cultural model of agency. Although my analysis is confined to the field of cultural psychology, the reader can apply my critique to other fields.

      Agency and Anthropology: Selected Bibliography

      1) Recent anthropological perspectives on agency

      While debates about structure and agency have been a central concern in anthropology for decades, only in the past five years or so have anthropologists (particularly in the us) begun to question the philosophical assumptions that underlie academic interests in agency. The following texts take issue with the various ways in which agency has been used (both implicitly and explicitly) in anthropology and calls for greater attention to how specific ethnographic contexts may allow us to reformulate ideas about agency in new ways. While much of this theoretical turn has been inspired by scholars working in the anthropology of religion, fields ranging from science studies to Amazonian ethnography have also come to question conventional assumptions about and uses of agency as a concept.

      The Rezillos – Destination Venus

    369. CameronB Brodie says:

      Re. Blair McDougal and Kev O’Donnell. Neither appears to support the principle of universal human rights. They are, however, using their media leverage to twist reality.

      The Scottish Independence Referendum
      Constitutional and Political Implications


      The September 2014 Scottish independence referendum was an event of profound constitutional and political significance, not only for Scotland, but for the UK as a whole. Although Scottish voters chose to remain in the UK, the experience of the referendum and the subsequent political reaction to the ‘No’ vote that triggered significant reforms to the devolution settlement have fundamentally altered Scotland’s position within the Union. The extraordinary success of the Scottish National Party at the 2015 General Election also indicates that the territorial dimension to UK constitutional politics is more prominent than ever, destabilising key assumptions about the location and exercise of constitutional authority within the UK. The political and constitutional implications of the referendum are still unfolding, and it is by no means certain that the Union will survive.

      Providing a systematic and academic analysis of the referendum and its aftermath, this interdisciplinary edited collection brings together public lawyers, political scientists, economists, and historians in an effort to look both backwards to, and forwards from, the referendum. The chapters evaluate the historical events leading up to the referendum, the referendum process, and the key issues arising from the referendum debate. They also explore the implications of the referendum both for the future governance of Scotland and for the UK’s territorial constitution, drawing on comparative experience in order to understand how the constitution may evolve, and how the independence debate may play out in future.

      Direct Democracy in the United Kingdom

      II. The Referendum Pathology

      Before turning to the deliberative qualities or deficiencies of the Scottish experience it is useful to explore further the perceived deficiencies of referendums in general. Referendums are paradoxical. From a positive perspective they seem to represent an ideal model of democracy. The voters speak as one unified people, deciding on an issue for themselves, rather than through the mediation of politicians. What could be more democratic? By this construction we see in the referendum the republican promise of democracy fulfilled; political equality is confirmed as citizens come together in a collective expression of popular sovereignty.7 But for others the referendum is a dangerous device because it in fact imperils democracy which can only be properly effected through exclusively representative institutions, and as a result the referendum is best excluded from processes of constitutional change.

      There are three main objections that inform the scepticism of this position: that referendums lend themselves by definition to elite control and hence manipulation by the organisers of the referendum (‘the elite control syndrome’); that there is an in-built tendency of the referendum process merely to aggregate pre-formed opinions rather than to fostering meaningful deliberation (‘the deliberation deficit’); and that referendums consolidate and even reify simple majoritarian decision-making at the expense of minority and individual interests (‘the majoritarian danger’).8 In this article I address the first two of these criticisms. Scotland is not a divided society with readily identifiable minorities whose interests are clearly imperilled by an exercise in majoritarian decision-making. Therefore, I will not try to draw wider lessons in relation to ‘the majoritarian danger’ from the Scottish referendum.

      Casting for a sovereign role: Socialising an aspirant state in the Scottish independence referendum


      This article examines international reactions to Scotland’s 2014 bid for independence as an instance of socialisation of an aspirant state, what we term ‘pre-socialisation’. Building on and contributing to research on state socialisation and role theory, this study proposes a nexus between roles and sovereignty. This nexus has three components: sovereignty itself is a role casted for by an actor; the sovereign role is entangled with the substantive foreign policy roles the actor might play; and the sovereign role implicates the substantive foreign policy roles of other actors. The Scottish debate on independence provides an effective laboratory to develop and explore these theoretical dimensions of pre-socialisation, revealing the contested value and meaning of sovereignty, the possible roles that an independent Scotland could play, and the projected implications for the role of the UK and other international actors. Our analysis of the Scottish case can provide insights for other cases of pre-socialisation and is more empirically significant following the UK’s 2016 referendum to leave the European Union.

      Role theory, Scottish independence, socialisation, sovereignty, United Kingdom
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    370. CameronB Brodie says:

      It is unreasonable to equate the emotions released by Yes supporters during the 2014 indy ref and those released by Brexit. Anyone trying to convince you otherwise is either delusional or a liar.

      Saint Andrew and the Wollen Mill ‘ Rare to be Alev ‘

    371. CameronB Brodie says:

      Re. Blair McDougal and Kev O’Donnell. They’re British/English nationalism would condemn Scotland to the uncertainties and volatility of the full English Brexit. They also appear to support the removal of powers from the Scoltand’s Parliament and possibly even the amendment of the constitution to prevent any future potential of Scottish independence. As such, neither appear to support the principle of universal human rights.

      Self-determination is only the starting point for a better Scotland, it would provide a platform with the potential to develop a “rights based” approach to public policy. The benefits of a “rights-based” approach to government can be seen in the substantial reduction in Scotland’s homlessness under the SNP.

      Devolution, social democratic visions and policy reality in Scotland


      The Scottish National Party’s election win in 2011 produced the first overall majority for any party since the Scottish Parliament’s inception in 1999, despite the proportional representation system that was supposed to prevent single party governments. This historic election has been followed by much discussion of how much further the powers of the Scottish Parliament could be extended and whether devolution would allow Scotland to have a superior welfare settlement. In this context policy divergence has been the major focus of the developing devolution debate but discussions about greater powers or even independence for the Parliament have increased significantly. They are often presented as a means to achieve a ‘better’ or more ‘fair’ society. This article argues that shortcomings in the steps towards fairness achieved under the current arrangements of devolution highlight the need for a far-reaching and innovative approach to social justice to be carried out alongside any further discussions of independence. Such an approach cannot be taken for granted.

      Keywords devolution, independence, Scotland, Scottish National Party, welfare

      Questioning the ‘common sense’: Was Scottish independence really an alternative to UK neoliberalisation?

      Social media and the Scottish independence referendum 2014 : events and the generation of enthusiasm for yes


      We track the social media activity of the two main campaigns in the Scottish independence referendum, Yes Scotland (YS) and Better Together (BT), by monitoring their respective Facebook and Twitter accounts on weekdays from August 2013 until the referendum vote in September 2014. We explore the relationship between key events and online support and find that the Yes Scotland campaign pulled ahead of the Better Together campaign in terms of online enthusiasm (especially following the launch of the White Paper in November 2013), and that it accelerated exponentially in the closing weeks of the campaign as a number of events helped give it an advantage. Although further research is needed, it is interesting to note how this transformation in mobilisation online for Yes preceded big movements in support offline in the closing weeks.

      The Gladiators – The rich man poor man

    372. Tinto Chiel says:

      Huvnyaclue wot it all means but it is a catchy little number:

    373. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Tinto Chiel.

      For your edumication, an’ thah’.

      Check out all the links spread across the bottom of the page. I believe “Lochee Luciano” was Mike Marra. Unfortunately, because it’s a grab by the Internet Archive, not all the graphics appear but as there are only 7 short pages, you won’t waste too much time out of your busy schedule.

      And here’s the classic, obscure #1 hit all over the world in Dundee, mentioned at the site.

      The A side…

      The B side…

    374. Tinto Chiel says:

      Thanks, Brian, for access to the secret ‘Dee Archive.

      Saint Andrew was quite sublime. Apart from his famous chanson du peh, I find this number hugely entertaining:

      I often muse deeply thereon.

    375. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Eh, Tinto Chiel.

      St Andrew was a phenomenon that, probably, won’t ever be repeated.

      If you were there at the time…

    376. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. the seeds of Brexit. Labour adopted monetarism in 1976, then full blown Thatcherism under the Tories, characterised by an aggressive nationalism. New Labour as the left wing of the New Right. Austerity. Brexit.

      British Labour are an English nationalist party, same as the Tories. Always have been.

      Beyond New Labour: the future of social democracy in Britain

      Roger Liddle

      This speech was given by Roger Liddle at the London School of Economics on 14 September to mark the launch of the book “Beyond New Labour: the future of social democracy in Britain”, edited by Patrick Diamond and Roger Liddle.

      I want to talk today about the book I edited with Patrick Diamond “Beyond New Labour”.

      Our common starting point is a lot of admiration and gratitude for what New Labour has achieved. A new “Anglo-Social” model has been developed in which Britain is better able to compete with the rest of the world, while ensuring a more equal and fair society through a dynamic “social investment” state. We are much less of a neo-liberal outlier among Europe’s varied social models than we were in 1997. Britain’s relative stability has provided an effective platform to project British culture as the UK is increasingly seen as a hub of scientific, technological and creative excellence. This is a substantial legacy to bequeath the country.

      Austerity: Neoliberal dreams come true?

      The pathway out of neoliberalism and the analysis of political ideology in the post-crisis world

    377. CameronB Brodie says:

      It really gives me the boak that our politics is infested with so many professional ‘socialists’. For a proper boak though, you just can’t out-Tory a Tory.

      Were New Labour’s cultural policies neo-liberal?

      This article assesses the cultural policies of ‘New Labour’, the UK Labour government of 1997–2010. It takes neo-liberalism as its starting point, asking to what extent Labour’s cultural policies can be validly and usefully characterised as neo-liberal. It explores this issue across three dimensions: corporate sponsorship and cuts in public subsidy; the running of public sector cultural institutions
      as though they were private businesses; and a shift in prevailing rationales for cultural policy, away from cultural justifications, and towards economic and social goals. Neo-liberalism is shown to be a significant but rather crude tool for evaluating and explaining New Labour’s cultural policies. At worse, it falsely implies that New Labour did not differ from Conservative approaches to
      cultural policy, downplays the effect of sociocultural factors on policy-making, and fails to differentiate varying periods and directions of policy. It does, however, usefully draw attention to the public policy environment in which Labour operated, in particular the damaging effects of focusing, to an excessive degree, on economic conceptions of the good in a way that does not recognise the limitations of markets as a way of organising production, circulation and

      Keywords: cultural policy; neo-liberalism; instrumentalism; new public management; Labour Party; New Labour

      New Labour or the Normalization of Neo-Liberalism

      Neoliberalism in Britain: From Thatcherism to Cameronism

      Fugazi – Blueprint

    378. CameronB Brodie says:

      P.S. The SNP appears to be developing a “rights based approach” to public policy and governance (see current Housing strategy and the ongoing reduction in homelessness). This approach to government is the antithesis of Neo-liberalism and is unlikely to survive Brexit. A written constitution which enshrines the “Right to Development”, would be a means for Scots to secure a “rights-based approach” to governance, IN LAW. Such a document would provide better protection for Scottish residents, from the excesses of improper government.

    379. CameronB Brodie says:

      Here’s one to celebrate the zombie ideology of Neo-liberalism. An ideology that seeks to hollow-out the “human” from the experience of being human. The zombie ideology that when mixed with structural cultural chauvinism*, produces the full English Berxit.

      * that’s structural racism to the layman.

      Metallica – For Whom the Bell Tolls

    380. CameronB Brodie says:

      Still on a zombie theme. re. the legality of Brexit and the promised debasement of Scotland and her people.

      The afterlife of Parliamentary sovereignty

      The paper discusses the nature of Parliamentary sovereignty. Beginning by reflecting on the understandings of sovereignty that were present before 1991, the paper argues that the rule was abandoned in the pivotal case of Factortame. Nevertheless, Parliamentary sovereignty has enjoyed an afterlife. Though no longer part of the United Kingdom’s Constitution, it still continues to attract the attentions of scholars, who, knowingly or unknowingly, apply the label to new constitutional phenomena. The paper concludes by reflecting on the problems this can cause.

      When British constitutional lawyers meet, talk often turns to the question of Parliamentary sovereignty; indeed, it can be hard to avoid the topic. Debates about the implications of Parliamentary sovereignty for the Human Rights Act, for devolution, and the supposed constraints it places on constitutional reform are all issues that inspire lively debate. The aim of this short paper is not to engage with these disputes directly, but to argue that they are misconceived. Whatever the precise content of Parliamentary sovereignty was, it ceased to be a feature of the United Kingdom’s Constitution in 1991. That Parliamentary sovereignty continues to occupy our attention is hazardous; it risks distorting the answers we give to questions of constitutional reform and distracts our attention from important features of our modern Constitution.

      This note proceeds in four stages. The first part of the paper outlines the nature of Parliamentary sovereignty. The second part describes its death in the pivotal case of Factortame. The third part recounts the afterlife of Parliamentary sovereignty; though no longer part of the United Kingdom’s Constitution, it still continues to attract the attentions of scholars, who, knowingly or unknowingly, apply the label to new constitutional phenomena. The paper concludes by reflecting on the problems this can cause.

      The Human Rights Act: Ambiguity about Parliamentary

      The Least Dangerous Branch: Whose Role is it to Protect Parliamentary Sovereignty? Miller and the Human Rights Implications of Brexit

    381. CameronB Brodie says:

      If I had children I certainly wouldn’t want their future decided through political fraud and the cultural chauvinism of another country.


    382. Tinto Chiel says:

      Everyone looks so damn young in this:

      Botanical survey: do you call the spring woodland plant a bluebell or wild hyacinth or do you call a harebell a bluebell?

      Asking for my pal Linnaeus.

    383. CameronB Brodie says:

      @K**** H****
      When are you going to start respecting the doctrine of international law? Never thought of supporting the principle of universal human rights, rather than your One Nation ideology and Westminster diktat? Is it not apparent to you that you haven’t a clue and that you’re simply a useful idiot?

    384. Tinto Chiel says:

      Practise your Portuguese. How nova is your bossa?

      There was a Scottish version with Ecclefechan in the title but it bombed.

    385. frogesque says:

      @Tino Chiel: 5.13

      My dear old Mum, a Southern England Surrey girl, always referred to Campanula rotundifolia as a hairbell or Scottish bluebell.

      Hyacinthoides non-scripta, she called a bluebell, sometimes (wrongly) an English bluebell. It does grows extensively in Scotland and elsewhere in broadleaf woodland.

      The Spanish bluebell, an invasive non-native that freely hybridises with the true bluebell she called a bastard!

    386. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      My input RE: Bluebells.

      This guy’s only UK chart hit, as far as I know…

    387. CameronB Brodie says:

      Bossa Nova is King baby.

    388. Tinto Chiel says:

      @ frogesque: that’s interesting. Most Scottish authorities would agree with your dear old mum in the first paragraph. Michael Scott in Scottish Wild Flowers (2012) calls CR Scottish Bluebell, while John R Lee The Flora of The Clyde Area (1933) calls it harebell, which is often regarded as its English equivalent.

      Scott calls HN-S Wild Hyacinth, and Lee uses its (old-fashioned?) Latin by-name Scilla Nutans for what he simply calls Hyacinth.

      BDTT: have to confess Mr Shand frightened me as a nipper. His face was so impassive as he played his jolly tunes that I got the shivers.

      CBB: “Bossa Nova is King baby”: saw wot you did there–to’al respek.

    389. frogesque says:

      @Tinto Chiel.

      Took this pic some time ago at Elie.

      Common Blue on a Hairbell

    390. Tinto Chiel says:

      Thanks, frogesque: that’s a beauty.

      It’s always instructive for me to consult the Caledonian Brains’ Trust 😛

      One day I may tell the world my Orange Tip story from Darkest Lanarkshire.

    391. Tinto Chiel says:

      And I didn’t say Ruby Tip, I’ll have you intellectuals know.

    392. Tinto Chiel says:

      Before I go for my Horlicks, here’s an ironic version of a song for the DUP and its Mrs-Doubtfire-from-Hell leader:

      Sleep well, mes braves.

      Tomorrow is another day (except for viewers in Scotland).

    393. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. the DUP. Here’s some more Critical Evolutionary Psychology and stuff. 🙂

      Religion, Morality, Evolution

      altruism, atheism, faith, kindness, prejudice, religiosity, supernatural belief

      How did religion evolve? What effect does religion have on our moral beliefs and moral actions? These questions are related, as some scholars propose that religion has evolved to enhance altruistic behavior toward members of one’s group. I review here data from survey studies (both within and across countries), priming experiments, and correlational bstudies of the effects of religion on racial prejudice. I conclude that religion has powerfully good moral effects and powerfully bad moral effects, but these are due to aspects of religion that are shared by other human practices. There is surprisingly little evidence for a moral effect of specifically religious beliefs.

      Religion, Intolerance, And Conflict

      The Biology of Bigotry
      Is prejudice in your genes?

      Pearl Jam – Do the Evolution

    394. CameronB Brodie says:

      I don’t mean to be a space-hog but Critical Evolutionary psychology really is quite useful for understanding the production of culture.

      Evolutionary Psychology and the Generation of Culture, Part II
      Case Study: A Computational Theory of Social Exchange

      Models of the various adaptive specializations that have evolved in the human psyche could become the building blocks of a scientific theory of culture. The first step in creating such models is the derivation of a so-called “computational theory” of the adaptive problem each psychological specialization has evolved to solve. In Part II, as a case study, a sketch of a computational theory of social exchange (cooperation for mutual benefit) is developed. The dynamics of natural selection in Pleistocene ecological conditions define adaptive information processing problems that humans must be able to solve in order to participate in social exchange: individual recognition, memory for one’s history of interaction, value communication, value modeling, and a shared grammar
      of social contracts that specifies representational structure and inferential procedures.

      The nature of these adaptive information processing problems places constraints on the class of cognitive programs capable of solving them; this allows one to make empirical predictions about how the cognitive processes involved in attention, communication, memory, learning, and reasoning are mobilized in situations of social exchange. Once the cognitive programs specialized for regulating social exchange are mapped, the variation and invariances in social exchange within and between cultures can be meaningfully discussed.

      KEY WORDS: Reciprocal Altruism; Cooperation; Tit for tat; Cognition; Reasoning; Evolution; Learning; Culture.

      New thinking: the evolution of human cognition

      Prejudice: The Interplay of Personality, Cognition and Social Psychology

      Louis Prima – I wanna be like you

    395. CameronB Brodie says:

      P.S. I should probably point out that Critical Evolutionary Psychology points to the causal forces of English cultural chauvinism and the Scottish cringe. Both are damaging social pathologies with deep bio-cultural roots.

    396. Thepnr says:

      The Bluebells I knew his cousin.

    397. Thepnr says:

      Oops last one was the Tory arsehole Peter Lilley who was even worse than Thatcher in my opinion.

      Here’s the song I meant to play, from Arbroath I believe and his cousin Cumbernauld. You never knew what might be true though 🙂

      It’s a tap your feet and clap your hands. Also just smile 🙂

    398. Tinto Chiel says:

      Thepnr, I would have played that Bluebells clip at 5.13 myself but it has a very high Molly Weir (arch cringer to the gentry and leading anti devolution campaigner) content.

      I remember seeing Lilley’s speech to the Tory party conference and thinking he was just about the creepiest little creep in Creepland. There’s a guy with skeletons in the cupboard, I’ll be bound.

      Quite despicable.

    399. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. the moral psychology of British nationalism. Britain began as a bastion of laissez-faire, liberal enterprise and slavery (England controlled the global slave trade at the time of yoonyawn). After a brief conversation with social democracy, Britain appears desperate to re-imagine itself as a Neo-liberal, ‘slave’, economy. Perhaps a residual effect of the buccaneering spirit that persists in the English psyche.

      Jonathan Haidt: The Psychological Roots Of Nationalism vs. Globalism

      Via PhilosophyInsights on YouTube: Jonathan David Haidt (born October 19, 1963) is an American social psychologist and Professor of Ethical Leadership at New York University’s Stern School of Business. His academic specialization is the psychology of morality and the moral emotions. Haidt is the author of two books: The Happiness Hypothesis: Finding Modern Truth in Ancient Wisdom (2006) and The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion (2012).

      In this clip from a 2016 interview at the Emmanuel Centre in London about “The Rise of Populism and the Backlash Against the Elites,” Haidt explains the new paradigm developing in politics around the world (globalism vs. nationalism) and why both viewpoints are valid and necessary to a functioning society.

      The Ethics of Globalism, Nationalism, and Patriotism

      Nationalism and the Moral Psychology of Community

      CAPTAIN PUGWASH – Episode 1 (Down The Hatch)

    400. CameronB Brodie says:

      @George Monbiot
      I generally agree with you but I think you’re way off the mark recommending utilitarian ethics as a morality for internationalists.

      Utilitarianism and anti-utilitarianism

      This paper presents the different utilitarian approaches to ethics. It stresses the influence of utilitarianism in economics in general and in welfare economics in particular. The key idea of the paper to explain the evolution from classical utilitarianism to preferences utilitarianism and towards post-welfarist approaches is the following. Utility is defined normatively and positively. This generates some serious tensions. Utilitarianism needs to evolve to go beyond this ethical tension. Another idea defended in this paper is that the solutions developed by utilitarianism to solve the ethical issue eventually reinforces operational problems. This raises a legitimacy issue as whether the intervention of utilitarian economists in public decision are likely to be normatively transparent.

      Key-words: Utilitarianism, Welfarism, Hedonism, Preference, Utility

      Nietzsche’s Critique of Utilitarianism

      Why I Am Not a Utilitarian

      Utilitarianism is a widely despised, denigrated and misunderstood moral theory.

      Kant himself described it as a morality fit only for English shopkeepers. (Kant had much loftier aspirations of entering his own “noumenal” world.)

      The adjective “utilitarian” now has negative connotations like “Machiavellian”. It is associated with “the end justifies the means” or using people as a mere means or failing to respect human dignity, etc.

      …To say someone is behaving in a utilitarian manner is to say something derogatory about their behaviour.

      When Jeremy Bentham introduced utilitarianism in the 1700s, it was a radical, revisionary and welcome new moral theory. Its core was human equality: each is to count for one and none for more than one. Until that point, princes counted for more than paupers. But utilitarians such as Bentham argued that every person’s well-being and life counted equally. The right act is the act which maximises well-being, impartially considered. The basic idea of utilitarianism is straightforward – the common currency of ethics is human well-being. What matters to each of us is how our lives go. Morality is about treating everyone equally, that is, considering their well-being equally.

      …As we argue, Utilitarianism is a comprehensive moral doctrine with wide ranging impact. In fact it is very demanding. Few people if any have ever been anything like a perfect utilitarian. It would require donating one of your kidneys to a perfect stranger. It would require sacrificing your life, family and sleep to the level that enabled you to maximise the well-being of others. Because you could improve the lives of so many, so much, utilitarianism requires enormous sacrifices. People have donated large parts of their wealth and even a kidney, but this still does not approach the sacrifice required by Utilitarianism.

      For these reasons, one criticism of utilitarianism is that it is too demanding.

    401. CameronB Brodie says:

      The Ends Justify the Means

    402. CameronB Brodie says:

      P.S. Utilitarianism aims for social equality, which is not the same as social equity. Neo-liberalism involves a formal requirement for equality, but is doomed to failure as “socialised risk” is unsuited to delivering substantive social equality (see homelessness in Britain).

      Neo-liberalism, Discrimination and the Politics of Ressentiment

      Abstract: Margaret Thornton considers the effect on anti-discrimination legislation of changes in the contemporary political climate. With particular regard to disability discrimination, she contrasts social liberalism with neoliberalism and outlines the tenor of changes that have occurred. She suggests that the contradictions of liberalism produce a Nietzschean notion of ressentiment, which is reflected in responses to discrimination. Although ostensibly negative and corrosive, it is argued that ressentiment also has a positive dimension for people with disabilities, as formal challenge requires courage which can be understood as a performative dimension of citizenship.;dn=145740822204671;res=IELAPA;type=pdf


      The Ideas of Equality and Non-Discrimination: Formal and Substantive Equality,%20Formal%20and%20Substantive%20Equality.pdf

    403. CameronB Brodie says:

      @George Monbiot

      What are the Ethics of Development Studies?


      The development ethics approach to international development

    404. CameronB Brodie says:

      P.S. Scottish residents currently enjoy formal British citizenship, though clearly not substantively equal citizenship.

    405. CameronB Brodie says:

      Right, time to give you all a break and head back to Edinburgh. I’ve still not managed to sort my t’internet, so I’ve been trying to get as much out as I could while in Dundee. Sorry for taking up so much space.

      Max Romeo & the Upsetters – One Step Forward

    406. CameronB Brodie says:

      @George Monbiot
      Ethics and international law: integrating the global justice project

      On J. A. Hobson’s “The Ethics of Internationalism

      Proper Distance: Mediation, Ethics, Otherness

    407. Tinto Chiel says:

      Apart from the music, you may enjoy the car chase and an intervention by Bruce Willis.

      I like it when the wee guy in the back seat shorts out.

    408. CameronB Brodie says:

      “The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history while the strong, for good or for ill, survive. The strong are respected, and alliances are made with the strong, and in the end peace is made with the strong.” – PM of Israel

      The man is clearly a fascist. Political Zionism and contemporary British nationalism are very similar in character. Think austerity.

    409. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Typin’ aboot Edinburgh and ‘car chase’…

      My son flagged this up to me at the weekend. The rendering of the graphics is amazing. If you know Edinburgh at all, you’ll find this fascinating.

      Forza Horizon 4 – Exploring Edinburgh (Spring Season)

      When I was getting the link for the above, this next one popped up. It hits Edinburgh just after 2 minutes.

      Forza Horizon 4 | Map Tour! Edinburgh, Motorway, Beach Gameplay and More!

    410. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Just heard a headline on BBC 6 o’ clock news about a mothballed hospital.

      That, of course, reminded me of this:-

      How prescient was ‘Yes Minister”?

    411. Tinto Chiel says:

      Do you sport a hat?

      Warning: 2 a.m. music really.

    412. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Tinto Chiel –

      Cheers for the BN track, haven’t heard that in many years.

      Hope you do be well there, and belated HNY to you and yours. Have been very lax in conveying good wishes to people, on here as elsewhere.

      I hope to all known gods that this is our year man – not sure how many more we can do!


    413. Tinto Chiel says:

      Hi, Ian. Seasonal reciprocations to you and all the fambly too. Paul Buchanan of BN still lives in the West End of Glasgow, I believe. Their sound was unique (“Like so many others” as Jonathan Watson/Denis Law would say) and that sound is very 80s. You can’t imagine anything so moody and introspective today. Would they even get a recording contract? Mind you, in literature, would the likes of Alasdair Gray, Kelman or Warner find a publisher now?

      It’s going to be a hell of a year, and the shitstorm we have seen in the last few days is nothing compared to what Perfidious Albion will attempt to destroy us with.

      All to play for and we have to win but we fortunately we are starting from virtual parity in the polls and have a host of very committed activists in the movement.

    414. Tinto Chiel says:

      The title of the main thread had been troubling me until I remembered this:

      There is now, of course, plenty of this commodity in Moray, most of it spouted by its desperate MP.

    415. hackalumpoff says:

      @ Tinto

      Congrats, tune for you & Mrs Tinto

    416. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. The two child cap for those on social security. A discriminatory, short-term solution to a problem that is structural in nature. The policy is likely to result in possibly irreversible social harm. That’s 21st century Tory ethical politics for you, a return to negative eugenics.

      Provisional thoughts on limitations to the right to procreate


      The constantly increasing human population results in severe ecological, psychological, political, economic and sociological ramifications. These negative implications raise the question whether the constitutionally entrenched right to make decisions concerning reproduction may be limited, as the continued existence of the State may ultimately be jeopardised if the population is not kept “[d]own to the means of subsistence”. An analysis of relevant constitutional provisions shows that in essence it is the “inner sanctum” of the individual which is shielded from erosion by conflicting rights of the community, and that the outward manifestation of the right (procreation) may indeed be limited. However, the so-called Chinese experience shows that negative measures have the desired results but also had a severe non-intended impact on the social and economic situation in China. It is suggested, therefore, that positive measures (eg proper education and social provision) be considered to limit population growth.

      Keywords: Limitation of rights; right to procreate; overpopulation; limitation of the right to procreate; procreation


      Reproductive Justice
      Briefing Book: A Primer on Reproductive Justice and Social Change

    417. CameronB Brodie says:

      @Lesley Riddoch
      ?I agree, a basket case England is not what iScotland would idealy look for. However, from the perspective of Political Realism, England’s problems are not Scotland’s responsibility. Indeed, it would be morally wrong for Scotland to try and alter English political culture. That’s what British nationalism does to us, and we don’t like it.

      Brexit obliterates the myths of British nationalism and the notion of equality among the nations. Brexit is English cultural authoritarianism. Scottish empathy will not cure this particular social pathology.


    418. Tinto Chiel says:

      @hackalumpoff: thank you for your kind felicitations, mon vieux.

      When I awoke this morning, I thought I’d turned into Wayne Rooney: I was in bed with a grandma!


    419. Tinto Chiel says:

      Mind you, she was Miss Townhead & Garngad in 1972:

      Love the “take-off” @ 2.40 on this track.

    420. Sarah says:

      @BDTT re your last comment on main thread, I did contact the Rev the other day on the subject of mac’s racism, and included a request for several well-known trolls to be excluded. Sadly the Rev is more tolerant by far than I am.

    421. Tinto Chiel says:

      This guy was my guidance teacher:

    422. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Does anyone know what happened to the National Yes Registry Indy App?

      Saying not available in your region on Apple App Store.

      Asked on main thread this morning but appears to be too much troll shite going on over there.

    423. hackalumpoff says:

      @ Jockanese Wind Talker
      12 January, 2019 at 7:10 pm
      “Does anyone know what happened to the National Yes Registry Indy App?”

      I’ve just downloaded it from
      for Android, it works OK albeit a bit buggy. It doesn’t seem to have many users.

      I think it was designed for Yes groups to coordinate activities etc but some groups are more active online than others. My local group is on there but they also use whatsapp, email and text, so it seems to be a communications Clusterbourach, horses to water etc.

      There is a Facebook page with the last post on 1st December.

    424. Jockanese Wind Talker says:

      Cheer @hackalumpoff says at 8:00 pm

      It still isn’t working for me on iPhone

    425. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @TC –


      Brilliant Isaac Hayes video there, first time I’ve seen it.

      I was once given a yellow card at a karaoke night in a Stevenston pub because I did that track and ‘there wisny enough wurds in it’.



    426. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @TC –

      When that Hayes track finished I got the intro to another song in my heid…took a minute to work out what it was…turns out it’s the song which followed ‘Shaft’ on a compilation cassette I used to play non-stop, ooooh, twenty-plus years ago.

      New York City, ‘I’m Doing Fine’


    427. Tinto Chiel says:

      Morning, Ian. Retired early last night for my beauty sleep. I remember that song and a lot of work has gone into that compilation.

      It reminded me of a great dance clip I think you posted a while ago:

      Oh, to be young and lovely…..

      Shaft and Papa was a Rolling Stone must have two of the greatest intros ever.

    428. Tinto Chiel says:

      To woo:

      Quite irrelevant but it always reminds me of heedtracker and his funny Toryboy schtick.

    429. Tinto Chiel says:

      Wish you could play bass?

      I bet you do:

    430. Tinto Chiel says:

      Sorry, Cactus, gotta play this for Marie Clark to say Happy New Year.

      Don’t know who the Big Girlie in the bandana is but I like the song 😛

      Hope your Dell boy has settled down.

    431. Tinto Chiel says:

      More from these weirdos.

      Harvey drives even worse.

      Bonsoir, mes braves!

    432. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Did this guy get his style from James Brown, or vice-versa?

      🙂 🙂 🙂

      Matata, ‘I Feel Funky’

    433. Tinto Chiel says:

      Funky as Freuchie, Ian and it doesmake you think of Mr Brown. It got a good few French likes, I see.

      I remember Stuart Cosgrove mentioning James Brown as a classic example of a hero he shouldn’t have met. Think he was trapped in a taxi with him for a short time and found him obnoxious.

      I’m up late ‘cos Harvey got out and was throwing doughnuts at the badgers.

      Night all (again).

    434. Ian Brotherhood says:

      ‘Good God! Take me to the bridge!’

      How often did I issue these cries whilst being supported home by student buddies…

      Ah, the nostalgia…


    435. Tinto Chiel says:

      I never found these two Cambridge Footlights types funny at all, apart from this series of sketches.

      Harvey says it’s the Comedy of Incongruity or summink:

      Mind you, some of the comments ablaw the line show all is not well ablaw the dyke. As Macart sometimes observes, haters gotta hate.

    436. Tinto Chiel says:

      Michael McCabe first posted this a while ago and I’ve always found the music and film quite hypnotic.

      As James Cook would say, it’s chaos on the streets of pre-earthquake San Francisco as a streetcar travels down Market Street.

      Watch out for suicidal pedestrians, wee boys getting hudgies, a Fatty Arbuckle-reject policeman (0.38), the Thompson Twins in a car (4.46) and the perennially lovely Lucia Daines mounting a sidecar (6.40):

    437. Tinto Chiel says:

      Hudgie Incident is at 4.55 btw.

    438. yesindyref2 says:

      I’ve been trying to think of an appropriate tune so I did this one instead.

    439. Tinto Chiel says:

      That was most gnomic, indyref2. I have mused thereon but so far I am unclear.

      Is there anybody else out there?

    440. Thepnr says:

      @Tinto Chiel

      That intro to the Carpenters tune had me laughing, a nice one.

      Are you up for a swift one on the 24th?

    441. Thepnr says:

      @Tinto Chiel

      Played here before but has to be right up your street 🙂

    442. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Thepnr: bien sûr, and that’s my favourite version too, mon vieux haricot, much better than TfF.

      Re 24/1/19, swift or slow, I shall be there. I have a particular revulsion for Yoons who attend Burns Suppers. One even attempted to tell me in 2014 that Burns would have voted No. That didn’t end well, for several reasons.

      Re my wardrobe for the coming attraction: orc or Vlad The Impaler?

      Appreciate your input.

    443. Thepnr says:

      @Tinto Chiel

      I appreciate you asking but fashion has never been a forte of mine. I’d say go as you please:)

      Regards next week good to hear that you’re venturing into the big city 🙂

      I’d suggest we meet same place as before, will drop you an email anyway along with others who made it last year.

    444. Tinto Chiel says:

      Last time was my Crombie coat and Doc Martens look with a hint of tartan.

      I’ve moved on since then but will attempt to surprise you.

      I may assail the SiU with a sonnet or ode, a metaphorical carnation down the barrel of a carbine.

      My inbox awaits your contribution.

    445. Lenny Hartley says:

      Saw attached on facebook, gotta say i agree with what is being proposed.
      A Scottish Constitution By You,?For You,?Ready by Independence Day
      As the dysfunctional Westminster Government drives us towards Independence by contemptuously ignoring our needs and aspirations, more people in Scotland are moving towards a realisation that we could do a better job of governing ourselves.
      In Scotland, we can feed and clothe ourselves. We have almost limitless power resources and lots of fresh, clean water. We have a wide, diverse economy and export more than we import. We have a well-educated, resourceful workforce and a welcoming and understanding attitude to immigration and immigrants.
      Scotland is a country rich in resources. Owning almost 3.5 million km2 of ocean, Scotland will have possession of more than half of the UK Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ). Westminster wants to keep control of these our assets as they contribute significantly to paying UK’s £2.0+ Trillion generated debt (which btw increases at the rate of £5,170 per second!).
      A country is independent when it is self-governing and when its elected Government is in sole control of the money supply through its own National Central Bank.
      Whilst we look on in wonder at the bourach surrounding the UK’s present government in London, we can ask ourselves three questions;
      * Do we want to continue with the current system of parliamentary sovereignty that is more biased to benefit the monied classes rather than the well-being of society in general? ?
      * Based on politics to date, is it likely that we can trust politicians to provide for Scotland a written Constitution for an equitable and accountable system of government? ?
      * Do we want to continue with the present corrupted but tolerated system of banking and credit loans that benefits Teflon bankers and generates such massive and unpayable national debt? ?During the 2014 Independence referendum campaign two issues had the greatest impact: ?
      • the lack of a intelligible Currency Policy (compatible with the rules of the European Central Bank); and
      • a lack of a clear picture of what an Independent Scotland would turn out to be.
      Today, in early 2019, our political leaders in Holyrood have not yet provided answers to these our questions. Scotland must be governed by the people, not a parliament such as we have today from Westminster.
      “Bureaucracy is a construction by which a person is conveniently separated from the consequences of his or her own actions” – (NASSIM TALEB)
      Now the people of Scotland will be directly instrumental in the creation of their own Constitution, the law of the land from which our delegated politicians on the Day of Independence will govern our Nation.
      “The best way to predict the Future is to create it” (Denis Gabor)
      So why do we need a written Constitution? Brexit is an example of the unbridled power of a parliamentary system that has no written Constitution to provide structured accountability to the people.
      Governments inevitably require authority to deal with a wide range of situations and be able to operate in a flexible manner. But they must also be held accountable
      * under a structured system of fundamental laws; ?
      * that are set out in a codified written Constitution; ?
      * that are designed and authorised by the People. ?Our Holyrood government may regard the preparation of a Constitution as something to be tackled only after a successful referendum. That is not in the interests of popular sovereignty as an incoming Scottish government would then be in a powerful position to make up the law as it went along. A pre-designed Constitution prepared by the Nation’s people will guard against undue influence from vested financial, business, political and nepotistic interests which will be lining up their lobbyists from day one of independence. ?A Constitution is not a set of guidelines for the self-regulation of Parliament. It is a statement of the conditions under which the people of a democracy grant their parliament the authority to govern them. It will be the fundamental law of the land by decree of the people, enacted into formal legislation by our Scottish Parliament. ?If we are to avoid a Constitution by default that is little more than a set of self-regulating guidelines for political parties and big business, there will be several conditions to be met before independence is achieved: ?
      * every Scottish citizen of voting age has the right to initiate, amend and vote for this Constitution – this will be known as The Draft Scottish Constitution (the Draft), till ratified by the first Independent Scottish elected government; ?
      * Scottish citizens will encourage others to exercise that right;
      * the Draft must remain fully active until the day before the opening of Scotland’s first Independence Parliament, thus accommodating all circumstances and providing a transparent and developing picture of precisely what we are all voting for; ?
      * the Draft must be presented such that literally every citizen is encouraged to have his or her say; ?
      * the Draft will set out in plain, unambiguous and straightforward language and on a purpose-made platform accessible to all; ?
      * the software must encourage intuitive participation in discussion and accommodate proposals to discuss, agree, amend or delete; ?
      * with this will be the provision to vote meaningfully on every clause with absolute security and guarantee against any form of unasked for manipulation; ?
      * public participation has to be in numbers sufficient to oblige government to adopt the document unamended as the will of the people. ?Currently two draft Constitutions are under development for Scotland, with both drawing upon “A Model Constitution for Scotland” compiled by Dr W Elliott Bulmer in association with the Constitutional Commission. One is set out in an academic style; the other in a more everyday language. ?The latter Draft Constitution, compiled by the Centre for Scottish Constitutional Studies (CSCS), was set out by experienced wordsmiths, and is currently being prepared for a secure Internet-based public debate. Some additional funding and sponsors are currently being sought to cover the cost of a secure, interactive website. So anyone who is interested can go to this link for a description and also make a donation if so inclined. ?When Scotland votes to regain our Independence, the Nation will require to rebuild a range of government institutions that have lain dormant for over 310 years. The guidance provided by a Final Draft Constitution composed from the contributions of the people of Scotland, and available on Independence Day, will be the basis on which Scotland’s first and all future Independent governments will govern. If left to politicians to prepare Scotland’s Constitution, this risks its architecture being left to the whims of a particular political party, rather than that of the people. ?By participation in the development of the Provisional Constitution for our soon-to-be independent Scotland, the people will shape the institutions of government, the forms of local government and the rights of all citizens. ?Every Scot will in this way be involved and will be able to claim ownership of the kind of country that we are voting for, what we want for ourselves, our children, our friends and Scotland’s prosperous, healthy and happy future. ?Robert P Ingram, Chartered Engineer?Centre for Scottish Constitutional Studies – 2019.01.12

    446. yesindyref2 says:

      Yes, it was quite oblique. For some reason music always comes into my mind to explain things, and it’s the chorus particularly this bit “And always keep your hat screwed on real tight Case you get in a fight” about Sturgeon and Salmond. Seems to me they’re keeping theirs on while all around them (against them that is) are losing not just their hats but their heads.

    447. Tinto Chiel says:

      @yesindyref2: as my Dear Old Dad used to say, “I see, said the blind man” hee, hee.

      Reminds me of the antidote Norman MacCaig used to tell against himself of the publication of his first book of peotry, which was rather obscure. A friend read it and then asked him, “When are you publishing the answers?”


    448. Cactus says:

      SO good a song ahm gonnae PLAY it again Wingers!:

      NOW is the time to return to.

      Go LIVE!

    449. Tinto Chiel says:

      A most excellent One Hit Wonder, Cactus.

    450. Cactus says:

      Afternoon Tinto, check this out…

      Went out a lookin’ at the Rouken Glen, popped into their garden centre furra gander, went over to the indoor desert plant section and was met by a small red-breasted robin… did aye just see that, was that for real, anybuddy know if they have indoor birds flying about there?

      But that wasn’t just it, see there’s been a wee robin following me around the park, is it the same one? Aye managed to get a photograph.

      What does it all mean… ahm writing this by the pond in the park… it is getting darker now.

      Ahm awa tae hug some trees NOW.

    451. Tinto Chiel says:

      You’re never alone with a tree, Cactus. They don’t say they love you, drink your malt whisky and then run off with a used car salesman called Melvin from Newton Mearns. You know who you are, Cataclysmia Biggins.

      Oops, I may have said too much……

      Robins are clever and inquisitive. I’ve one which goes into my greenhouse when I go in for birdseed for my feeders and I have to make sure it is back out before I close the sliding doors.

      They also seem to sense sympathetic humans and like to see what you’re up to.

      Don’t worry, no zombie robins after dark, unlike Tories.

      C u next week, I hope. Fedora or Stetson? Plz advise.

    452. Tinto Chiel says:

      A capella, ya bass:

      Thinking of Burns, as always at this time of year…..

    453. Tinto Chiel says:

      ‘Member this? Not really a morning song but so wot?

    454. Cactus says:

      Evenin’ Tinto, cheers for the robin info, gonna do the same walk again some time soon, ah looked into it a bit further and it’s all good birdy feedback… aussi, the trees were and continue to be excellent (ah had a shot on the zip-slide in the darkness too.)

      What time is the rendesvous at Exchange Square… ah’ve got plans on Thursday evening so might not be able to make it along this time if it’s a late start.

      If aye can, ah’ll be fashioning a beanie & brolly combo. 😉

    455. Thepnr says:


      I’ll be in the Yes bar from around 16:00, so might 1 or 2 others.

    456. Cactus says:

      Groovyness, see ye’s there Thepnr. 🙂

      Today is UK End of Days, Day 6.

      FREE The Prisoners.

    457. Tinto Chiel says:

      Yon b&b combo sounds about right, Cactus. May go all grunge masel’.

      A song for our pretendy Scot brethren:

    458. yesindyref2 says:

      The rain is on the roof
      Hurry high, butterfly
      As clouds roll past my head
      I know why the skies all cry


    459. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi yesindyref2.

      Your wee poem immediately reminded me of a song. I did a YouTube search and it turned up but my left eyebrow raised itself. I hadn’t realised it was written by the Bee Gees.

      Junior Campbell, he of Marmalade, has uploaded this to YouTube. The note he has underneath the video is historically interesting.

      I only knew the song as a Marmalade song and it resonates, reminding me of my youth.

      Onnyhoo, Junior Cambell’s video has the Bee Gees version, foloowed by Marmalade’s.

    460. Ian Foulds says:

      What is this flag that appears in Sky News article on MSN, in which the Irish backstop is ‘explained’?



    461. Tinto Chiel says:

      Hi, Ian.

      How weird: someone has changed the counterchanged St Patrick’s cross (a red saltire) on the Union Flag into a blue one.

      If that’s what Sky do to the flag, I don’t think I would trust its explanation of the backstop.

    462. Tinto Chiel says:

      Breaking news from Where I Am:

    463. Tinto Chiel says:

      Stole this from the Rev’s Twitter feed:

      Puts Putting Things Into Perspective into perspective.

      Warning: you may need to sit down with a coffee and chocolate biscuit for about fifteen minutes…..

    464. Tinto Chiel says:

      That went well: not!

      Seems I’ve reached the end of the Internet (pace BDTT).

      You’ll just have to follow the link from “orangepeel”.

    465. Liz g says:

      Ian Brotherhood & Ronnie Anderson..
      The Gathering tomorrow sounds like a Gentlemen’s nightout…
      Which is Absolutely fine!!
      But should the Ladies who can….. Do?

    466. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Lizg –

      Hadn’t even crossed my mind that it came across that way.

      There are some women coming, but they’re not Wingers (so far as I know) and they’ll be going to The Social at or around the time the guests are arriving, so that should be approx 6.30-7.30, with most arriving after 7.

      Saw on Twitter that a ‘flashmob’ is planned, although I couldn’t give you any details of that.

      Hope you can make it!


    467. Tinto Chiel says:

      I hope Kate Pierson is coming.


    468. Tinto Chiel says:

      Apologies. Message to self:

    469. cearc says:

      Hope youse all have a good time. Had it been tomorrow I would have come (being halfway there already) but tonight I have to be in Inverness.

    470. someothernamedude says:

      Should have tested it here …

    471. yesindyref2 says:

      Sorry about that last one Rev, just testing.

    472. ronnie anderson says:

      Liz g here’s you Mrs what possesses tae thing that wummin weren’t welcome tae the SIU noise up ,we’re gender neutral when its for a get together

    473. Liz g says:

      Ronnie Anderson @ 12.24
      Ha Ha… It was the way it was reading Ronnie,it sounded like a guy’s night out!
      That’s why I asked.
      Anyhoo, I didn’t get home in enough time to make it,as you know, I’m always chasing ma tail,but will definitely make the March 2nd night out… Well…. almost definitely.LOL

    474. yesindyref2 says:

      What happened is that someotherdude with my email was stuck in moderation, whereas capitals in my normal name went straight through. Meaning that a name is tied to an email address, even if it’s sometimes in lower case and sometimes in upper case.

    475. Tinto Chiel says:

      And now for something completely different:

    476. Tinto Chiel says:

      And one to annoy all gammons:

      ‘Moff tae muse a wee.

    477. yesindyref2 says:

      Oh well, do the Brexit with me.

    478. Dan says:

      Test post with vid link from FB.

      Not me, but braw FB vid and tune I saved from last year’s Glasgow AUOB march.

      Can anyone explain how avatar pics are added? Had a search including looking in the Thickos tab but couldnae find instructions. Maybe I need a Beyond Thickos tab. lol

    479. Tinto Chiel says:

      Dan: directions on Gravatar are easy, even I can do it, q.v.

    480. ronnie anderson says:

      liz g so’s you & ither Winger wummin in the loop watch oot for Ian Brotherhoods posts re the change of venue for Wings night out 2nd Mar .

    481. chasanderson200 says:

      Wingers night out.
      Can it be confirmed that the date is 2nd March. I notice the venue has changed since earlier conversations but I need to book a hotel and want to confirm the date.

      Fair looking forward to a good sesh wi the Wingers again!!

    482. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      RE: avatar

      Create an account here:-

    483. David says:

      Hi Cactus, I think at some time in the past you were counting the potential Yes vote for #IndyRef2 by how many thousands were following the Wings account on Twitter.
      Well, the good, no the *excellent* news is that 58.2 thousand now follow Wings, and rising! So the Yes vote is forecast to be 58.2%
      Name the day, Nicola! 🙂

    484. David says:

      Reading the comments below the line here on Wings is a lot more enjoyable and informative, now that some disruptive voices have been banned/gone missing.
      I don’t have good access right now so I’ve missed some of the event. Can someone tell me what happened to Rock?

    485. Tinto Chiel says:

      Re Rock: sorry, I don’t have a clue ‘cos I’m on speed scroller when I see his name.

      While strolling through Exchange Square on Thursday night I encountered these dudes:

      You know who you are…..

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