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    1. Tinto Chiel says:

      For all Scots Cringers who attend Burns Nights: go funk yourself.

      After this fashion, of course…..

      Turn up the volume, Poindexters.

    2. Tinto Chiel says:

      Avant de partir, another big western theme. Sounds like Elmer B. but it’s actually Jerome Moross:

      Ya bass!

    3. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @TC –

      Great choice of sounds there.


    4. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Some tentative suggestions for March 2nd in Glasgow, just to get the ball rolling…

      Can we kick-off fairly early (say, mid-afternoon?) to get the place set-up and make it possible for folk who can’t make it in the evening to join us for as long as they can?

      Can the musically minded (i.e. not me) tell us if they’ll be bringing instruments?

      Can everyone bring something to eat? Could be a bag of nuts, a packet of oatcakes, a bowl of coleslaw, what-ever, but I don’t think we have use of an oven, it’ll have to be cold stuff. Best to bring stuff in disposable bowls, plates etc, cause we’ll be cleaning up as we go along.

      If anyone wants to take charge of organising a raffle, great. Others may be able to offer prizes. (Raid the leftover christmas presents!)

      That’s enough to be going on with for now, eh?


    5. David says:

      Cheers Brian Doonthetoon, that explains it!
      This seems apt, Primal Scream with “Rocks Off”:

    6. Tinto Chiel says:

      @David: sublime choice. That track would be on my DID list.

      Thanks, BDTT for your elucidation.

      @Ian B: this looks like a job for Tinto’s Special Savoury Rice.

      Laters, haters.

    7. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @TC –

      Sounds interesting…go on, gie’s a clue.


    8. Tinto Chiel says:

      All I can say, Ian, is that it’s wholesome, organic and tasty. Made me wot I am today 😛

      May even offer vegetarian and meat versions for the discerning Winger.

      May even wash my hands 😉

    9. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @TC –

      Well, I don’t feel much the wiser really, will just have to wait and see what it involves.

      All this mysteriousness reminds me of working in The Grove restaurant in Glasgow, early 80s. I was in the kitchen but some of my school mates were waiters. One of their favoured japes was to tell customers that the Day’s Special was Chicken Surprise, and when the inevitable ‘what’s the surprise?’ was asked, they retorted, ‘It’s fish and chips!’

      Oh, how we laughed…

      🙂 🙂 🙂

    10. Tinto Chiel says:

      I’m not giving out my kwality recipes for free, Ian. Every craft has its mysteries 😛

      Just to complicate matters, may offer brown and basmati rice options.

      That’s four ways to orgasmatronic experiences.

    11. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @TC –

      Well, I have had good feedback for my potato salad lately, so I’ll maybe just do a bucket of that.


    12. Tinto Chiel says:

      Love potato salad, me. Looking furrit tae it, Ian.

      I’m leaving this here for Gammons everywhere. Hope their BP doesn’t blow gaskets.

      Bonsoir, mes braves.

    13. Lenny Hartley says:

      IB i will try and get to the doo on 2nd march, pencil me in as a mairs aye than naw!

    14. Lenny Hartley says:

      Ib my other post has disapeared, put me doon for maybes aye, along with my special apple and date cake with a coconut toffee crust ? better than sticky toffee pudding ?

    15. Cactus says:

      Evenin’ David ~

      “…counting the potential Yes vote for #IndyRef2 by how many thousands were following the Wings account on Twitter.
      Well, the good, no the *excellent* news is that 58.2 thousand now follow Wings, and rising! So the Yes vote is forecast to be 58.2%
      Name the day, Nicola!”

      How ye doin’, aye ah’ve been following and watching the Wings Twitter followership grow DAILY (some excellent surges too) and did indeed make further reference to a ‘follower / NOW Yes vote percentage equivilator’ and approaching 60% now.

      However, the original reference was made by another Winger, when the Wings Twitter readership was sitting in the early 50 thousands… aye think it might have been Jack that made the cool comparison.

      (but that’s just the Twitter webpage… as ye know the Wings Over Scotland website has a followership in the hundreds of thousands!)

      It’s the eleventh hour Scotland!

      (ILRadio also available frae Facebook)

    16. Macart says:

      RE: March 2nd

      I’m hoping to be in Glasgow that weekend. Keep you posted nearer the time, but I’d love to catch up with some folk. 🙂

    17. Liz g says:

      Ian Brotherhood
      Count me in for the night oot,I’ll bring a dish of something and something for the raffle..
      Thank you for organising this…..

    18. ronnie anderson says:

      IanB i’ll be contacting Jock Scott tomorrow so he might be our DJ.

    19. crazycat says:

      @ Ian

      I’m planning to attend on March 2 (probably + 1, probably + food)

      Can you confirm it’s the Dow’s in Dundas Street? When I searched for Sammy Dow’s, that seems to be defunct (was in Mitchell Street).

    20. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Cheers abody for the responses so far. Shaping up to be a good one.

      @Crazycat –

      Aye, it’s right outside Queen St Station if you’re leaving the west exit. Canny miss it!


    21. ronnie anderson says:

      chas anderson Just by opperchancety we we’re in Dows after the SIU event & noticed Function room notice so we booked it for 2nd Mar ( tim martins no getting oor money) so’s its guaranteed

    22. crazycat says:

      @ Ian

      Ta. See you there.

    23. Dorothy Devine says:

      Ian , hoping to make it – may be a brief appearance and clutching something for eats and the raffle .

    24. Fairliered says:

      Hope to be there. Shall I bring some gammon sandwiches in case Rock turns up?

    25. Tinto Chiel says:

      Let’s go to Naples and dance.

    26. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Fairliered –

      Great you can make it. Gammon pieces always acceptable!

      But should you use pan or plain…


    27. Bevrijdingsdag says:

      I’ll be there with plus 1…and munchies!

    28. Breastplate says:

      I’m hoping to make it too if everything runs smoothly my end.
      I haven’t been to any Wings get togethers since the first one you organised at the Counting House in April 2014 so it would be good to catch up with old and new wingers alike, lurkers or not.

      Are you still on the Guinness?

    29. ronnie anderson says:

      Jock Scott will sort out his shifts to get time off ‘so’s thats DJ sorted Jock will contact Dows to see if they have a system that he can plug into .

      Just to remind those that are disabled there is no disabled lift , its one flight of stairs .

    30. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Breastplate –

      Great you’ll make it! Your name too has gone on the list!

      Guinness? Naw, had to give it up friend, I ran out of underpants…


    31. Breastplate says:

      I know what you mean Ian, a friend of mine used to sport a badge that said “Guinness makes you fart”.
      I had to tell him farts aren’t supposed to be lumpy. 😉

    32. William Wallace says:

      I’m a “very likely” for this but, I might be refused entry for not being sophisticated enough. 😉 I’m only coming if you all promise to talk to me and not leave me muttering away to myself in a dark corner like you do in aff topic. 🙂

    33. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Who muttered that?


    34. Fairliered says:

      William Wallace: I’m not sophisticated, I’m from Ayrshire.

    35. William Wallace says:

      @ BDTT

      That eediot in the coarner. 😉

      @ Fairliered

      Me neither, I’m from Dundee 🙂

    36. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Ah, that was you, Willie Wassal!

      See you on the 2nd, no doubt?

    37. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Wee update on the March 2nd social in Glasgow:

      20 names now on The List.

      Most are the usual auld coupons, but some are not!


    38. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ian B.

      Me, Pete and Chris will be there, at some point.

    39. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @BDTT –

      Hoots mon, that’s another two on The List!


    40. yesindyref2 says:

      I can’t make it, money not time. Low-earning time of the year keeping going on any cushion from the summer season, it’s tight as a drum and there’s a couple of (family) expensive things going on soon after but before money really starts coming in.

      It’s a shame, I would like to discuss tactics with like-minded trustworthy people. Operating alone you do get feedback from other forum posters (this is elsewhere), but there are some basic questions. Basically – is now the time? There’s no Ref on yet, is it better to save some things until it’s announced, and maybe even until it’s in full swing? It’s frustrating holding off, but shoot the bolt too soon and Bernie will laugh his head off. As well as get a shield and new weapons.

      Ho hum.

    41. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @yesindyref2 –

      Sorry you won’t make it, but there will surely be other chances later this year. If this place gets the thumbs-up from most then we’ll make it a regular for Glasgow gigs.


    42. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ian B.

      Can you not count past 2?


    43. hackalumpoff says:

      @ Ian Brotherhood
      Hackalumpoff with attend on the 2nd March. I will bring some rather fine Guga based hors d’oeuvres based on recipes from my ancestral home.

      Here’s a wee taster for those looking for alternatives to Haggis:
      Boil cold water in a large pan. Add Guga and a well-used Harris Tweed cap. Boil until the cap is tender. Discard the Guga and serve the cap with potatoes and milk.

      @ Ronnie, are you doing a raffle on the night?

    44. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @BDTT –

      Must confess, I took a liberty and already had you on the list!


    45. David says:

      Cheers Cactus, and cheers Jack!

      And here’s err Kirk Douglas as ‘Cactus Jack’:

    46. Tinto Chiel says:

      The weather Where I Am:

      And the guga are flying low…..

    47. billwemyss says:

      Ian Brotherhood.

      Can you pencil me + 1 in as well. Was at the Glenrothes do, fair enjoyed it. Cheers.

    48. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      We had a nice wee Burns night in the YES Dunoon Forward Shop at the weekend so I asked the man to give us some up to date verses

      Fair fa’ yer beardie, sleekit face
      Great chieftain o’ the nawbag race
      Aboon them a’ ye tak your place
      For selfish reason
      As House o’ Lords reward ye chase
      Tae mark your treason
      The damp soiled benches there you’ll fill
      Your hurdies like a fluffy hill
      And Ruthie, Dick and Willie will
      Be keen tae follow
      But Scotland freed yer hopes will kill
      In shame you’ll wallow

      But Mundell, thou art surely vain
      In well proved foresight it is plain
      The best laid schemes of mice and men
      Gang aft agley
      You’ll be aye remembered, to your pain
      In London’s pay.

      Wee cowrin, tim’rous Britarse lickers
      Wae Union Jacks on bumper stickers
      (And likely too on vests and knickers)
      What makes thee crawl
      Tae tax avoiding city slickers?
      That screw us all

      O’ wad some pow’r the giftie gie ye
      Tae see yerselves as others see ye
      And understaund that we can free ye
      Frae spineless plight
      We’ve backbones here we’ll gladly give ye
      And prospects bright.

    49. Tinto Chiel says:

      And how was The Great Man looking?

      He certainly deserves two fingers of malt for those exquisite reworkings.

      *Folds middle two fingers under thumb*

    50. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      “And how was The Great Man looking?” Looking…for lassies I would imagine

    51. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Bill wemyss (11.23) –



    52. Cactus says:

      Evenin’ David ~

      Ah’ve never watched the movie before (ah know of it though)

      Gonna give your link a shot at midnight.


    53. HandandShrimp says:

      Asked this in a thread but probably more appropriate here. Can you get those Alexa jobs to play Indy radio and if so how? (Bearing in mind I still have to take the thing out of its box and set it up.)

    54. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @HandandShrimp –

      I saw your appeal on MT but didn’t feel qualified to answer.

      Sadly, I don’t think it’s possible, it the Alexa thing is anything similar to the Google ball thing. The Indyradio station is, technically, an ‘app’, so, far as I can tell, you’d only be able to get it via laptop or smartphone.

      Others will know for sure but that’s my guess.


    55. HandandShrimp says:

      Pity, yet to find a use for the Alexa gizmo.

    56. Thepnr says:


      Don’t know if it helps much as I’ve no idea how Alexa works, but if it can use apps then there is now one available for Indylive Radio.

    57. HandandShrimp says:

      An app might do the trick I will invetimigate

    58. ronnie anderson says:

      Hackalumpoff As is normal some of the Wings women do the Raffle ( there smiles are better than mine lol ) .

      Jock Scott was in Dows today we can hire their system at a cost of £50 , Jocks got microphones & stands .

      Anybody with musical instrument/singers let Ian Brotherhood know via Twitter/or OT.

    59. Dan says:

      Thanks to Tinto Chiel and BDTT on previous page for info on gravatar.
      I’ll have a think about it. Thought an avatar pic would be useful to make it clear I am Dan, not the loon Danny that seems to have now been banished from the site. As he’s gone it’s less of an issue.

    60. Ian Brotherhood says:

      March 2nd update:

      Now 30+ names confirmed, but a lot of WOS regulars either don’t yet know about it, aren’t coming, or haven’t confirmed that they are.

      The place seats approx 60, but I don’t know what the ‘official’ capacity is safety-wise so we do need a rough idea of how many are planning to attend.

      Gut-feeling is we could quite easily see 100+ on the day. Not a problem if they arrive over late afternoon/evening, but if everyone turns up at once we could have a problem. Please ask anyone you know who *is* going to drop in here or let me know via Twitter @ianbhood



    61. cearc says:

      I’m not sure, Ian.

      I have to be in Inverness every third thurs night at the moment and that (on current schedule) will not be one of those weekends when I am halfway there already. So I will have to decide later whether I want another long trip on a ‘free’ weekend.

      Obviously, I want to come so I will have to see.

    62. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @cearc –

      Thanks for response.

      Hope it’ll work out.


    63. chasanderson200 says:

      Should I save up my egg cartons just in case?

    64. Cactus says:

      It’s an eye frae me 2 Ian B, see y’all there, cheers 😉

      First February Cairnstoon’19 next door laters.

      This time, next month.

    65. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ian B.
      Just testing.
      I submitted a comment with a Google Maps link that hasn’t appeared.
      So I’m sticking in this one to see if it appears on a reload.

    66. Brian Doonthetoon says:


      It did.

      I just pointed out that you are referring to “Sammy Dow’s”. The name of the pub is “”Dow’s”.

      See this link but remove the – after the first h:-


    67. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Ian B.,

      I’m intending to turn up to the next get-together in a months’ time.

      I’m not sure though where it is! The only Sammy Dow’s I could find was on the South Side (Strathbungo?) but that has recently (I believe) become another Lebowski’s. There is a Dow’s Bar right next to Queen St. station, so is that the one..?

    68. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Brian Doonthetoon @ 05:58,

      Duh, I must have landed on the previous page (that’s what usually happens) and so missed your helpful link.

      Looks like it is the one next to Queen St. Station then. Thanks!

      Though could somebody confirm please, just to avoid any misunderstanding…?

    69. cearc says:

      Chas, might be an idea!

    70. cearc says:


      Dartford Warblers? Is that not what they call the buskers by the tunnel toll booth?

    71. Tinto Chiel says:

      @cearc: hee hee! Hope you can make it.

      Sadly, for lovers of wit and wisdom, I intend to be there (official notice for Ian B).

    72. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @BDTT –

      You’re right.

      Sorry everyone. I don;t know how I had ‘Sammy Dow’s’ do fixed in my heid, will have to get on Twitter pronto and correct that.

      Cheers for the heads up.

    73. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Dow’s Bar, Dundas Street.
      Dow’s Bar, Dundas Street.
      Dow’s Bar, Dundas Street.
      Dow’s Bar, Dundas Street…

    74. Liz g says:

      I’m a definite Ian Brotherhood

      Dows Bar, Dundas Street…
      Next to Queen St Station…
      Bring a Dish and a Raffle if ye can….
      March 2nd….!!!

    75. Thepnr says:

      I’m bringing an Indian chef and all the ingredients for a braw curry.

      Who’s gonna bring the cooker, pots and pans 🙂

      Cactus mind bring the guitar and a big pot LOL

    76. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Thepnr.

      On that list you are no doubt compiling, put down me and Pete for a curry. (Chris doesn’t like ‘spicy food’.)

      And before I turn in, here’s a wee bit of music for you. Composed by Jimmy Page for Jeff Beck, it was the B side of “Hi Ho Silver Lining”.

    77. Cactus says:

      Mornin’ Thepnr, aye, n ah’ll see if ah can get a haud of Dixie 2.

      Between now and then…

      There gonna be a whole lotta shit a goin’ on down there partner.

      Dow’s is the entrance, West of Independence Square ’19.

    78. Tinto Chiel says:

      A song against Our Most Precioussssssssss Union:

    79. Tinto Chiel says:

      That BDTT track put me in mind o this, for some reason. Principal ingredients: dirty Hammond, psychedelia, large quantities of mind-altering drugs, free spirits:

      Kick out your jams, brothers and sisters!

    80. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Liz g –

      Cheers Liz, I already had you down as a definite – 7th on the list actually! – so, sorry if I was being a bit presumptuous there.

      Great you’re coming.


    81. yesindyref2 says:

      OK I think I’m getting the hang of this now. 15th October sees the launch of the crowdfunder for Scottish Independence Convention to do research into what’s needed to raise support for Independence. 3rd February sees the launch of the Progress Scotland crowdfunder to do research into what’s needed to raise support for Independence. 19th May sees the launch of the We Need More Research crowdfunder to do research into what more research is needed to raise support for Independence. 1st September sees the launch of the WTF Happened crowdfunder to do research into what happened to the research into what’s needed to raise support for Independence. 15th December sees the launch of the Rebooting Research crowdfunder into resarching to see if any more research is needed to research into raising support for Indepenedence.

      It was a dark and stormy might, the rain came down in torrents. Alistair Duran the chief of his clan said unto his man “Come, tell us a tale”, and he began as follows. It was a dark and stormy might, the rain came down in torrents. Alistair Duran the chief of his clan said unto his man “Come, tell us a tale”, and he began as follows. It was a dark and stormy might, the rain came down in torrents. Alistair Duran the chief of his clan said unto his man “Come, tell us a tale”, and he began as follows.

      Now I get it.

    82. yesindyref2 says:

      And on that note it’s time for bed said Zebedee. But first of course, because it makes sense:

    83. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      yesindyref2 at 6.33

    84. Sarah says:

      Yesindyref2 and DMH – three minds with but a single thought.. I commented btl on MT much the same. We are in a crisis – what is the point in not asking folk to vote now before the dark arts get a stranglehold and the EU voters have all left? It’s not research and policy papers we need – it’s a vote!!

    85. yesindyref2 says:

      @DMcEH / @Sarah
      Thanks for that. I didn’t post it on the main thread, not because I’m afraid of being called a fake indy supporter, who cares? That’s been done to death anyway. It’s because I don’t like being negative, so I didn’t even post anything like it on the National or Herald. And it’s got 9,000 signed up already it seems – a monthly payment presumably. Wow. If it had happened 18 months ago I’d have been wild for it, but now?

      It’s 8 weeks time and we’re very likely out of the EU, no Indy Ref till next Holyrood session and none then because the SNP will lose votes and support like it’s going out of fashion. It really will be lost for a generation, a long generation, well past my best before date, and we didn’t even get to vote. And if these stupid politicians took their noses and ears and eyes out of their own self-importance, they’d know we’re so very close, the chances are all we need to do is hold the Ref. If we hold it, they will vote.

      I remember talking to TJ at Glasgow Green 2015 (?) (his wee daughter with him) as we were queuing for a written up passport (mines’s for son), and he was inconsolable having heard Robin McAlpine talking about 2022 or something. “I want my life back” he said. Well, R McA is front page of the National, columnist saying like “in April we’ll know if the UK has Brexited”, Sturgeon is talking weeks as though they’re weeks not days to announce timing and commending this Lack of Progress Scotland Uninitiative and guess what, I want my life back too. Once I’m rid this nasty nasty bug, I think I’ll go for the Cobbler. Then Ben Lui, then …

    86. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      yesindyref2 at 8.09
      I was there. McAlpine got roundly booed. He is intense, well intentioned, detailed and wrong.

    87. yesindyref2 says:

      @DMcEH – I don’t listen to these speech things, not my thing. I like the atmosphere, looking around, maybe eavesdropping on conversations, talking to strangers, the police as well of course. Problem is that RMcA seems to be gaining ground, and from comments all over the place. a lot of Indy supporters now have given up on a Ref before Scotland is dragged out the EU. Well, I nearly have too.

      On the thread on the Herald a little off the ball stuff btl, and this from a good guy unionist I’d happily have a pint with as long as we avoided Indy!

      4. Finally, can I take this opportunity of stating that Peter Piper is one of the best commentators in this forum. Both moderate and willing (on occasion 🙂 to concede on points made. Without the quality of post and debate Peter brings, the forum would have been very much diminished. There are not many Scottish nationalist posters, with their comments would have changed the voting intention of a soft supporter of the status quo or brought over to the “yes” side a “don’t know”. Peter is one of the few who could and suspect has. A worthy opponent.

      There’s been similar when some silly troll has had a go, but not gone as far as that last bit. But very bitter-sweet reading that, because, what’s the point? What really is the point if there’s no Ref in sight?

      Anyways, don’t let me put you off, I’m ill and not feeling great, happy though apart from Indy having done family duty helping move two loads with my small van and made myself sicker in the process as one does going out before fully recovered, so I’m off to the AOM campaign which it seems I never finished before 🙂

    88. Sarah says:

      Yesindyref2/DMH: sorry to hear you are unwell Yir2.

      As you say, I avoid posting downbeat stuff on the main thread. But I don’t like these “big” names talking up indyref in the next two years. I have emailed my MP Ian Blackford about all the dark arts stuff plus the social need to start running Scotland ourselves – he responded very briefly [which is wise in the circs] to say independence is their focus so I hoped that meant sooner than later BUT then we get Angus Robertson’s project!

      I want my life back too – get some hills walked again – not that I’m doing much now, just keeping local group ticking over, and worrying and fuming all the time about the injustice of our situation.

      If only Wee Ginger, Lesley Riddoch and the Rev were in charge. That would be fun as well!! But we mustn’t give up hope – we’ll look silly if the wraps are about to come off something big. Not that I’d mind looking silly in those circs!

    89. yesindyref2 says:

      On the other hand …

      Indy’s an objective, it’s long-term, medium-term and if it happens, short-term. SIC and PS can be used all three if neccessary, and they have funding and contact details. So I guess if Indy Ref 2 was announced quickly and short timescale, they’re ready to go. Plus the ring-fenced nearly a half million from whatever it was called, ScotRef or something.

      Ho hum, back to the game and some strategy for the next level 🙂

    90. Cactus says:

      Following on from the Spitting Image “Testing Ground” clip, here’s the video (and partially correct lyrics) that comes after it on the autoplay:

      There be many obvious BritNats in the comments.

    91. Tinto Chiel says:

      Five years old but fresh as an oyster (other fresh things are available):

    92. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      If I was a political strategist planning for independence I would be very loathe to indicate to the enemy what I was intending to do and when I was intending to do it.

      In the next immediate period when time runs out at Westminster however an announced plan of action will become imperative.

      If Brexit – deal or no deal – becomes certain we must immediately move for independence. We will do so secure in the knowledge that the EU welcomes us with open arms as has been illustrated by the plethora of positive remarks from EU leaders about Scotland’s future among them.

      I just watched clip from the Scotparl before the last Scot election with Nicola insisting that that election was not about independence. Sorry,Nicola. It was. Everything in Scottish politics now is about independence. That election campaign was a massive misjudgement.

      This should be on the main topic. I’ll move it over.

    93. Tinto Chiel says:

      Owing to the cerebral nature of most soffisticates on here, I append this film which I saw when I was a nipper. Along with The Maggie and Geordie, it was one of the few films on the BBC which had any Scottish content:

      It’s also good for brushing up your colloquial Greek.

      Enjoyment may be increased late at night by a couple of two-finger drams…..

    94. Cactus says:

      Here’s mair shite from Spitting Image…

      “Come to Scotland” (with reference to London and topical Wales):

      The gaslighting runs deep.

    95. Tinto Chiel says:

      Bad, bad boys…..

      And more than 50 years ago, too.

    96. Thepnr says:

      @Tinto Chiel

      I was absolutely certain that you were going to play this.

      It’s always a bit daft to be “absolutely certain” about anything.

    97. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Thepnr: yes, Big Bad Gap-Toothed Dan was Da Man back then. Dunfermline’s finest, imho.

      I might have played it a little later but I had to go to my flower arranging class and forgot all about it.

    98. Thepnr says:

      @Tinto Chiel

      I am seriously thinking of signing up for bread making classes at the local college. Honest LOL.

      Im considering the Indian cookery as well, Brexit 🙂

    99. Tinto Chiel says:

      Did you say, Bread, old fruit?

      Hankies oot…

    100. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Typin’ about Fife and music in the same sentence…

      This was the first single I bought by this band. Allegedly, Glenrothes inspired it.

      (My spellchecker red-underlined “Glenrothes” and suggested “nightclothes” as an alternative. Spellchecker editing person needs investigating.)

    101. David says:

      🙂 This one’s for Tory MP Ross “Groper” Thomson:

      “You Need Hands” – Max Bygraves

    102. Tinto Chiel says:

      Yellow shirts too…

      Great track and saturated colours.

      Alan Price, ya bass!

    103. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Hilarious – but a sweary word warning

    104. Tinto Chiel says:

      “I can see colours, man.”

      Singularly weird.

    105. Tinto Chiel says:

      Any ageing romantics out there?

      If so, you may remember this:

    106. Michael McCabe says:

      Ross Thomson says that it is all a big mistake.As he was only doing his Tory Handcock Impersonation. ? ? ? ? ? ? ???????

    107. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Someone posted this YT clip of an Ali G show on Twitter.

      All about Northern Ireland – how topical is that for off-topic!


    108. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @TC –

      That Beatles track is a belter, first time for me. And it was recorded in 1966? Blimey…out-Floyding Floyd?

    109. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Ian B: yes, far out man (as I believe they used to say) 😉

      A lot of late Beatles stuff is wonderfully strange.

      Eric Burdon of The Animals was The Egg Man in “I am the Walrus” but I can’t explain the reference here for fear of offending The Unco Guid/unofficial site monitors who sometime afflict the threads.

      Memo to same: “To the pure in heart, all things are pure.”


    110. hackalumpoff says:

      I have my music set to play random all in the car and this turned up today.

      Do we have any modern Scottish protest/rebel songs like this?

      Is there a Scottish Christy Moore who can raise the roof wherever he plays?

      Is the Interim Interdict still a thing?

      If it is maybe a “class action” of x000 of Scots applied for an Interdict on Loss of Human Rights, Loss of European Citizenship or whateffer could put a spoke in the wheels of Brexit.

      Whaddayasay Ronnie Anderson court marshal/jester.

      I can’t be arsed with those main treads anymore, severely pissed off.

    111. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ian B.

      Try this one from the Sgt Pepper album, 1967.

    112. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ian B.

      Then, of course, there is the first Beatles instrumental, I believe from their sessions with Bert Kaempfert in Germany, around 1961/62.

      As far as I can recall, they didn’t do another instrumental until “Flying”, on the ‘Magical Mystery Tour’ double EP.

      “Sounds Nice”, who had a UK hit with an instrumental version of “Je Taime” (Jane Birkin & Serg Gainsbourg), did a version of “Flying” on their album. I prefer it to The Beatles’ version. After all, it does feature Stylophones and some funky organ!

    113. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Ian B.

      Another wee song – a Glasgow love song – you may not be familiar with. I bought this on 7″ vinyl when I discovered it in Chalmers & Joy, my record emporium of choice at the time; late 70s or early 80s.

      Peter Nardini – A Think You’re Great

    114. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Tinto Chiel.

      How about this one? OK, it’s from the 60s but what’s 50 odd years out of over 300? The video is from 2012.

    115. Thepnr says:


      Chin up man, you’re in the clique LOL.

    116. Thepnr says:

      All that’s required to be a part of “the clique” is to turn up at an event, any event whatsoever and meet other people who post on Wings.

      That’s it, you’re now in the clique 🙂 Simples.

    117. CameronB Brodie says:

      I’ll certainly do all I can to get to the shindig.

      Just been catching up with things and it appears that shouty sectarian UKIP and Loyalist bigots appear to be the face of contemporary British nationalism. Not that surprising really, as Brexit articulates the latent racism and misogyny that persist in shaping British/Tory culture. Remember, British nationalism and the Tory psyche are symbiotically entwined. The chauvinistic exceptionalism of each mindset nourishes and enables the other.

      Had a very interesting chat with an English Christian today, who I’m pretty sure is a resident of Scotland. Anyway, though she claimed to have voted to stay, her logic regarding Brexit came directly from the Eurosceptic right wing press, and though she was unwilling to say whether England has the right to determine Scotland’s future, she felt we are ‘stronger together’. It’s a cultural thing but Anglicans can often struggle to think of a universe without England at its’ center. She was unwilling to indicate if she respected international law and supported universal human rights. She did indicated her husband is a strong supporter of Brexit and ‘taking back control’. Rational self-awareness was absent from her argument, which was essentially that of appeasing the far-right.

      P.S. I wonder if the Church of Scotland still supports British nationalism?. Do they consider themselves agents of moral good, or are they comfortable being labeled “Tory enablers”? Does the Church of Scotland support the principle of universal human right, or do they reject natural law – a ‘feature’ of English utilitarianism/Tory ideology?

    118. CameronB Brodie says:

      As there appears to have been a complete lack of concrete planning regarding the future of Brexitania, it’s most unlikely that any consideration will have been given to the long-term planning of the Scottish NHS. It is this lack of consideration and the likely harmful impact on Scotland’s public health, that tells us that Brexit is not only an articulation of English cultural chauvinism, it is immoral public policy.

      Where there is no vision, the people perish: a utopian ethic for a transformed future

      As I don’t think there’s an official Brexit anthem, I offer this as an encapsulation of racialised authoritarianism and narcissistic impotence. Brexit in a nutshell.

      Eric Cartman – Come Sail Away

    119. Tinto Chiel says:

      @BDTT 2019: never heard of this gent before.

      These Campbells are right stirrers, non?


    120. CameronB Brodie says:

      @Church of Scotland
      I’ll ask again. Do you consider yourselves agents of moral good or do you continue to support British nationalism?

      Brexit demonstrates the need for a normative theory of political disintegration

      The Ethics of Brexit?

      The Institute of Applied Ethics presents: ‘What Brexit tells us about the British’

    121. Liz g says:

      Hey Cameron
      Good to see you posting again..
      It will be good to get some kind of handel on the “cray cray” that’s been going on.
      Hope you are well and that you do indeed make it to the night out..
      Take care of you my friend 🙂

    122. CameronB Brodie says:

      Sorry to keep going on but Brexit really scares the shit out of me. Not only does it annihilate the principles of the Treaty of Union, the political authority of the British constitution has subsequently been considerably diminished. It can no longer justify its’ legal force, IMHO, yet this is the authority that will forecastle amend the legal identity of Scotland’s inhabitants.

      From the perspective of Political Realism, continued yoonyawn not only represents an attract on the doctrine of international law, but also the rational basis of politics itself. Brexit also appear to be an attack on the “Precautionery Principle”, which isn’t surprising as Brexit’s a dream come true for the English New Right. And the English New Left, come to think of it.

      P.S. I might have mentioned this before but pragmatism without recourse to ethics is simply clown-shows fascism. That’s Brexit that is.

      Beyond Brexit – International trade and health

      Key points

      –– At our annual representative meeting in June 2018, doctors made clear their worries that Brexit poses a major threat to the NHS and the nation’s health. Given what is now known about the potential impact of Brexit and especially the dangers a ‘no deal’ Brexit presents, the BMA voted to oppose Brexit and to support the public having a final say on the Brexit deal. We support the UK remaining in the European single market and maintaining open border arrangements with free movement of healthcare and medical research staff.

      –– The international trade agreements under which the UK, as an EU member state, currently trades with global partners provide vital protection to the NHS, safeguard the UK’s right to regulate in the interest of public health, and set high health and safety standards on imported products.

      –– Depending upon the nature of the final Brexit deal, the UK may not be able to trade under these agreements after Brexit. The UK Government would have several options for trading globally after leaving the EU, including:

      –– trade with any of the 164 WTO (World Trade Organization) members under common rules without any preferential agreement;

      –– join the EEA (European Economic Area) or EFTA (European Free Trade Association), maintaining single market access with some freedom to negotiate new trade agreements with non-EU countries; or

      –– negotiate its own free trade agreements, ideally maintaining favourable access to current trading partners and striking agreements with new partners.

      –– The UK is already coming under significant pressure from non-EU countries to liberalise aspects of its trade policy in ways that could negatively impact health post-Brexit.

      –– The UK Parliament does not currently have sufficient powers to guard against these potential impacts through scrutiny of trade negotiations, including access to negotiating texts and an automatic positive vote on the final text of trade agreements. Both EU and US legislators have such powers.

      –– To minimise these potential impacts the UK Government should commit to exclude from any future trade agreements:

      –– the provision of healthcare services, particularly the NHS, and any clauses that could lock in competitive procurement of publicly funded healthcare services;

      –– investor protection and dispute resolution mechanisms that could limit the UK’s future ability to regulate in the interest of public health;

      –– any weakening of current high product safety standards, including the animal welfare and environmental safety standards for food items; and

      –– strengthening of IPR (intellectual property rights) that could limit the ability of lowerincome countries to procure generic medicines.

      –– For the UK, this approach would:

      –– prevent further commercialisation of the NHS and safeguard future options for rolling back privatisation;

      –– ensure that the threat of challenges under investor protection mechanisms do not deter, delay or block public health improvement measures;

      –– maintain high standards for imports to protect consumer health and the environment, and avoid raising barriers to trade with the EU for UK exports; and

      –– protect the current flexibility of IPR, supporting affordable access to essential medicines in developing countries.

      Should there be a failure to secure UK trade agreements with current partners, including the EU – or, at a minimum, transitional arrangements with these countries to maintain favourable market access from March 2019 – the UK would be forced to trade under WTO rules. This would increase taxes on exports in some sectors, including agriculture, and would likely have a significant cost for the UK economy. Mounting pressure to avoid this scenario given the increasing likelihood of a ‘no deal’ Brexit, and the current lack of adequate Parliamentary scrutiny of trade negotiations, create a significant risk of Ministers entering into agreements that promote economic benefits over health.

      The precautionary principle under fire

      The Impact of Brexit on the Environment: Exploring the Dynamics of a Complex Relationship

    123. CameronB Brodie says:

      Liz g
      Thanks Liz. I don’t want to be a space hog but we’re kind of up against a deadline and Brexit gives me some solid social science to work with (in the vain hope of influencing public opinion). It’s also a subject that appear to have united Scotland, or at least spark the embers the yoonyawn’s funeral pyre. Folk don’t like being told who to be and what to do, which is exactly the intended position of Scotland in Brexitania.

      I’m only stopping at my mum’s for a couple of days but I’ll try to squeeze in some links about the harmful mental health effects of constrained agency. 😉

    124. Cactus says:

      Hey groovy cools ~

      Question Time – 07/02/19

      Ah was having a look at the still photograph of Billy ra Bigot and the remainder of the audience behind him… (via WOS twitter.)

      Recognised one of our Yes peoples from the AUOB marches and other events.

      If ye look 5 rows up and to the immediate left of the guy in the checkered shirt… he the guy with his hand / finger up, ye may remember frae efters at The Clutha:

      Yes always has a presence.

    125. CameronB Brodie says:

      OK, time for some social psychology and perhaps a bit of feminist bioethics?

      Brexit psychology: cognitive styles and their relationship to nationalistic attitudes

      Post-Brexit Politics: A Social Psychological Interrogation of Community and Citizenship

      Implications of Structure versus Agency for Addressing Health and Well-Being in Our Ecologically Constrained World: With a Focus on Prospects for Gender Equity

    126. CameronB Brodie says:

      I’m not sure those hit the mark.

      Rethinking the biopsychosocial model of health: Understanding health as a dynamic system

      The Biopsychosocial Model in Health Research: Its Strengths and Limitations for Critical Realists

      A biopsychosocial model based on negative feedback and control

    127. CameronB Brodie says:

      Sorry, I’m still not there (i.e the “philosophy of action”).

      Agency, Values, and Well-Being: A Human Development Model


      This paper argues that feelings of agency are linked to human well-being through a sequence of adaptive mechanisms that promote human development, once existential conditions become permissive. In the first part, we elaborate on the evolutionary logic of this model and outline why an evolutionary perspective is helpful to understand changes in values that give feelings of agency greater weight in shaping human well-being. In the second part, we test the key links in this model with data from the World Values Surveys using ecological regressions and multi-level models, covering some 80 societies worldwide.

      Empirically, we demonstrate evidence for the following sequence: (1) in response to widening opportunities of life, people place stronger emphasis on emancipative values, (2) in response to a stronger emphasis on emancipative values, feelings of agency gain greater weight in shaping people’s life satisfaction, (3) in response to a greater impact of agency feelings on life satisfaction, the level of life satisfaction itself rises. Further analyses show that this model is culturally universal because taking into account the strength of a society’s western tradition does not render insignificant these adaptive linkages. Precisely because of its universality, this is indeed a ‘human’ development model in a most general sense.

      Keywords: Agency feelings, Cultural evolution, Emancipative values, Human development, Knowledge economies, Life satisfaction, Well-being

      Understanding Human Agency

      Understanding Human Agency
      The problem of human agency

    128. Tom Busza says:

      All the talk about a re-unified Ireland:

      Just watching the rugby and it has always struck me, going back to the days when it was just the “4 nations”, that the Irish RU team is, in fact, a unified team. The IRFU has always had jurisdiction over rugby for the whole of the island of Ireland since its inception in 1879. There is no such thing as a N. Ireland rugby union team, not in the realms of international rugby at least.
      The politicians should take a leaf out of their book.

    129. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @BDTT –

      Just caught-up, watched all the links you posted. Great stuff, thanks. I actually do remember the Nardini track. Wondering – is he one of the Largs Nardinis? There was that actress lass as well, in forget-the-name, that drama (This Life?) good few years ago. Wonder if maybe they’re related?

      @Hackalumpoff –

      Do you own a functioning turntable?

      And there endeth the questions…


    130. Fairliered says:

      The actress is Daniella Nardini. She is a Largs Nardini and lives in Glasgow but has family in Largs / Fairlie. Don’t think Peter Nardini is a Largs Nardini though (although I could be wrong).

    131. hackalumpoff says:

      @Ian Brotherhood
      Fill yer boots

    132. Tinto Chiel says:

      Lovely day Where I Am. It’s made me wot I am today.

    133. CameronB Brodie says:

      I see Kevin Hague is yapping for attention, again. When has accessing inalienable human rights ever been immoral. Pure cultist.

      Postmodernism, geography, and the social semiotics of space

      Development economics: from classical to critical analysis

      The Complementary Roles of Human and Social Capital

    134. CameronB Brodie says:


      I’ve lost my glasses, mk.

    135. CameronB Brodie says:

      I was right the first time. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve typed that word but it just looks wrong. I suppose that’s just the way my brain is wired. A bit wonky.

    136. CameronB Brodie says:

      @Kevin Hague
      Got any views on the harmfull impact Berxit can be expected to have on the agency and social capital of Scotland’s government and public?

      Human and Non-human Agencies in the Anthropocene

      The era of human impact throughout the Earth’s biosphere since the Industrial Revolution that has recently been named the Anthropocene poses many challenges to the humanities, particularly in terms of human and non-human agency. Using diverse examples from literature, travel reflections, and
      science that document a wide range of agencies beyond the human including landscape, ice, weather, volcanic energy or gastropods, and insects, this essay seeks to formulate a broader sense of agency.

      All of our examples probe new kinds of relationships between humans and nature. By configuring a close interconnection and interdependence between these entities, the Anthropocene discourse defines such relationships anew. On the one hand, our examples highlight the negative effects of anthropocentric control and supremacy over nature, but on the other, they depict ambivalent positions ranging from surrender and ecstasy to menace and demise that go hand in hand with the acknowledgment of nonhuman agencies.

      Keywords: ecocriticism, agency, anthropocene, new materialisms, posthumanism.

    137. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. Angelos Sofocleous being excluded from a seminar on free speech. It is more than a little worrying that anti-scientific and illiberal views have come to dominate a space of learning.

      Trans Activists’ Campaign Against ‘TERFs’ has Become an Attack on Science

      CfP: Affect and Gender between Academia, Arts and Activism
      Genealogies – Methodologies – Normativities

      Beyond boundaries? Activism, academia, reflexivity and research

    138. Nana says:

      Anyone know if all is well with Macart? I’ve noticed he’s not been on the threads for a while.

      If you are reading Sam, hoping all is well with you.

    139. Macart says:


      Just got back last night Nana. Been off seeing to some family business. I’ll be peachy in no time.

      Reading some catch up on MTs this morning and deary me. Some of the folks on there just now. 🙄

    140. Nana says:


      Good to know you are still here, although you may be better of staying away. It’s pretty ‘wild’ out there in indy land at the mo.

      Nerves of steel required and perhaps the occasional libation or two 🙂 in the evenings naturally!

    141. Tinto Chiel says:

      These rhythms are good for the noives:

      I think X_Sticks would enjoy this 😉

    142. Tinto Chiel says:

      If youse are pure wanting to edumacate yirsels further, youse may enjoy this:

      Some serious disputations btl, btw.

    143. CameronB Brodie says:

      The law and legal doctrine are akin to magic and dark art to most of us. That’s a pity as the law is a powerful tool for achieving social emancipation.


      In this Article, Professor Audain asserts that common ground exists among the-at times-competing or conflicting schools of Critical Legal Studies, Feminist Jurisprudence, and Law and Economics. He argues that scholars writing in each school would find it beneficial to engage in dialogue with the others, and proposes a code of conduct within which such dialogue might take place.

      The Article builds a strong case for increased dialogue among the movements, springing from the essential purposes of the Academy and University in our society, and the creative benefits which would derive from an active dialogue among academic movements. Professor Audain posits intellectual intolerance as the primary barrier to the exchange of ideas among scholarly movements. He proposes a “veil of intellectual tolerance” to promote needed dialogue. The “veil” consists of a set of rules for approaching, evaluating, and responding to the work of other scholars, as well as rules for interaction with other scholars themselves.

      Professor Audain argues that the various movements in today’s legal scholarship have much to gain and little to lose from increased interaction. At core, he is calling for dialogue, and pointing to a fundamental flaw in modem legal scholarship: its splintered and balkanized nature.

      Critical International Legal Theory

      Critical International Law: Recent Trends in the Theory of International Law

    144. Macart says:


      ” although you may be better of staying away. It’s pretty ‘wild’ out there in indy land at the mo.”

      Heh! Know what you mean. 🙂

      There’s not much to comment on at this point tbh Nana. There’s only some folk looking to blame someone else for their woes. Some folk are also dishonestly looking to apportion blame where it’s not due to further their agendas du jour. Some folk know exactly who to blame, but are still looking/hoping for a miracle and a last minute save that probably won’t happen.

      But mostly though? People are fearful. And for all sorts of reasons. End of the day, we are where are because some bods chose poorly a little over four years ago. Screaming in a dark room won’t help. (I know, because I’ve tried…cough)

      Near as I can see it, and probably the best thing to do right now? Is just to keep talking to people and convince them they may have an opportunity to opt out of this shit show very shortly. That and help folk out where we can.

    145. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Tinto Chiel.

      I was well into my teens when I found out there were actual real words to this.

    146. Tinto Chiel says:

      @BDTT: know what you mean. My Auntie Mary (who had no canary) sang that slowly to me once and then I got it.

      David Lynch is a very strange man: ever seen Eraserhead? May put you off chicken for life. Also, some little creep nicked my brand new raincoat during the performance probably because I wasn’t wearing it.

      That’s the GFT for you: you get a better class of scumball there 😛 .

    147. CameronB Brodie says:

      If you disregard “psycho-babble” you ignore one third of the biopsychosocial model of health. Colin isn’t the bright spark he thinks he is. I also reckon he’s a fraud, treat his posts with extreme skepticism.

      Heinrich Rommen, The Natural Law: A Study in Legal and Social History and Philosophy

      Peoples’ right to self-determination and self-governance over natural resources: Possible and desirable?

      What can we do? A philosophical analysis of individual self-determination

    148. CameronB Brodie says:

      Time for some international legal theory and new natural law?

      A Normative Theory of International Law Based on New Natural Law Theory

      I. The New Natural Law Conception of Authority and Law

      1. Authority
      According to Finnis, ‘authority’ connotes the presence of good and sufficient reasons, among persons subject to authority, for acting in accordance with that which authority decrees.1 Finnis notes that authority is significant for its particular impact on practical deliberation: according to Finnis, the existence and exercise of authority gives rise to an ‘exclusionary reason’, that is, “a reason for judging or acting in the absence of understood reasons, or for disregarding at least some reasons which are understood and relevant and would in the absence of the exclusionary reason have sufficed to justify proceeding in some other way.”2

      The purpose of authority, according to Finnis, is to coordinate the activities of members of a community for its common good. As already seen, new natural law theory maintains that the common good – the set of conditions that facilitates human pursuit of the basic values – constitutes a shared objective for members of a political community.3 Pursuit of the common good, however, may be reasonably done in a variety of ways, and members of a political community may arrive at divergent conclusions in this regard: there may be multiple plausible options, for example, for ensuring the security of the community against external threats, or for catering to the health needs of its ageing members.

      The plurality of possibilities for realising the common good gives rise to what Finnis describes as ‘coordination problems’ – situations in which there is more than one reasonable manner of proceeding to address a particular issue, and where one of the available options must be selected in order to achieve progress.4 The need accordingly rises for definitive selection of a course of action that puts an end to deliberation within the community regarding other possibilities, and is recognised by the community as articulating the course of action which is thenceforth to be universally followed for pursing the common good. Authority, according to Finnis, is the only means (apart from unanimity, which is practically impossible to achieve) for realising such resolution of coordination problems in a political community.5

      The foregoing account brings to light the extent to which new natural law theory interprets the significance of authority in terms of its relationship to the common good. The common good, which is essential to furthering human fulfilment, requires that the coordination problems of a community be solved. The new classical theory accordingly locates the basis of authority in the opportunity that authority presents for promoting the common good by resolving these problems.6 It may also be noted that by the terms of the new natural law characterisation of the common good, authority may itself be understood as being part of the common good: the resolution of a community’s coordination problems, and the means for resolving such problems, are themselves components of the set of conditions that facilitate human flourishing.

    149. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. Government funding ‘biased to trans activists’. Illiberal ideologies require institutional assistance in order to gain public acceptance. I don’t know if the First Minister’s feminism has made her vulnerable to the trans-activist cult. Whatever, I hope the government does an urgent policy re-think over supporting anti-science.

    150. CameronB Brodie says:

      Or to put it another way, continued support of the GRA extends legal doctrine’s scope of interest from being that of human action, to also include human thought. Welcome to the era of proscribed beliefs and thought-crime.

      N.B. Sex is biological, sexuality is psychological. Biological women are not subjective beings claiming identarian rights to a sexuality, they’re biologically women already. Their sex-based rights need protecting from the colonisation of their sex-class by privileged (white) males.

      From being sexual to having sexual rights

      ….With the help of Massad, I contended that in order to be transmuted into a set of rights to which an abstract subject is entitled, sexuality remains tied to a sexual epistemology that turns it into a universal ontological reality based on naturalised notions of sexual orientation and identity. In this context, I proposed a distinction between identity categories and categories of field or domain, which would describe the conditions that shape this identitarian onto-epistemological framework. I argued that the sexual epistemology of the sexual rights bearing subject preconceives sexuality as a property that a self-owned subject is said to possess.

      This is a subject who will relate to its sexuality in a possessive modality, as the owner of its body and of the sexual properties that come with it. The possessive character of the relationship between subjectivity and sexuality is, in effect, indebted to the liberal subject who will be defined precisely as a subject insofar as it is in possession of its own being. It is through this possessive modality, as one of the conditions that make possible the emergence of sexual onto-epistemological categories of identity, that sexuality is translated into a right.

    151. CameronB Brodie says:

      Or to put it another way. As we navigate our lives through a world of semiotics, we might as well start calling cats dogs, if it suites our purpose, if the GRA proceeds to allow self-ID of sex.

    152. Liz g says:

      Cameron B Brodie @ 2.40
      I’m waiting on the rage…
      After I successfully sue club 18/30 for not recognising my right to go on holiday with them because I identify as 25..
      When everyone on job seekers identifies as 12 and wants to go to High School and,and get family allowance/child tax credit!

    153. Liz g says:

      And.. not to be Ageist ..
      When someone in the house self identifies as over 75..
      TV licence/Cold Weather Payments/Bus Pass.. The lot!!
      If ye can self identity to access one part of the Social Security System (NHS) then why not all of it?
      If my gender on my birth certificate is mutable..??
      Then the date is surely not fixed!!

    154. CameronB Brodie says:

      Liz g
      Sex is immutable, it can’t be changed. Gender is fluid and can change over time. I generally look to support the marginalised interests but not at the expense of reason. Btw, this attack on legal reason is an attack on all our human rights.

    155. Liz g says:

      We’re on the same page
      Live and let live should be the whole of the law..
      I’m tryin to point out the idiocy of legislating humans and all their diversity!!
      Humanity can’t be boxed or even defined…. We must get past this… We are better than this.. Aye?

    156. CameronB Brodie says:

      Liz g
      A tune isn’t a tune unless it has different notes. The art of life is found in appreciating such difference in ourselves.

    157. CameronB Brodie says:

      I think I’ve been getting back into the long-haired stuff a bit too much. :0

      Just watch it TJenny. 😉

    158. Nana says:


      I too have tried screaming, left me with an aching throat and one very nervous dug.

      Just getting through the days whilst waiting for the next piece of monstrous theatre from May.

      I might have to stockpile antacids as I seem to going through an awful lot of them lately 🙁
      The Tories make us all sick in one way or another.

    159. CameronB Brodie says:

      There’s not even any tweet activity. Idle hands. 🙂

      Critical Theory, Security, and Emancipation

      We the peoples? The strange demise of self-determination


    160. CameronB Brodie says:

      Here’s one for those who like gunboats, or who might have thought I’ve lost the plot when I suggest that a Brexit which force-ably drags Scotland out of the EU, should be considered an attack on the international rule of law and on the rational basis for politics itself.

      Justice, Legitimacy, and Self-Determination: Moral Foundations for International Law


      This book articulates a systematic vision of an international legal system grounded in the commitment to justice for all persons. It provides a probing exploration of the moral issues involved in disputes about secession, ethno?national conflict, ‘the right of self?determination of peoples’, human rights, and the legitimacy of the international legal system itself. The author advances vigorous criticisms of the central dogmas of international relations and international law, arguing that the international legal system should make justice, not simply peace, among states a primary goal, and rejecting the view that it is permissible for a state to conduct its foreign policies exclusively according to what is in the ‘national interest’.

      He also shows that the only alternatives are not rigid adherence to existing international law or lawless chaos in which the world’s one superpower pursues its own interests without constraints. This book not only criticizes the existing international legal order, but also offers morally defensible and practicable principles for reforming it. After a Synopsis and Introduction, which discusses the idea of a moral theory of international law, the book has four parts: I: Justice (3 chapters); II: Legitimacy (3 chapters); III: Self?Determination (2 chapters); and IV: Reform (2 chapters). The book is one of the titles in the Oxford Political Theory Series.

    161. CameronB Brodie says:

      And here’s a girrrl power cover of a track a posted a while back, just for kicks.

      Detroit Cobras – Slummer the slum

    162. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. Daniel Kawczynski MP and dishonest politicians in general. Interested in a bit of Political Psychology? Well you should be as we get the politicians we deserve.

      Review of “Political Psychology: Critical Perspectives”

      Six Reasons Why Politicians Believe They Can Lie
      Do politicians really think they won’t be caught when they lie?

      Is Honest Politics Possible?

    163. CameronB Brodie says:

      If the Mirza men didn’t set you foot tapping, at least, then you’re possible dead.

      Joachim Horsley – Beethoven In Havana (7th Symph., mv. 2 Rumba)

    164. CameronB Brodie says:

      This is getting tiresome and more than a little worrying that such patent nonsense has managed to gather so much institutional support.

      Introduction to Sociology – 2nd Canadian Edition

      Chapter 12. Gender, Sex, and Sexuality
      12.1. The Difference between Sex, Gender, and Sexuality

      Sex refers to physical or physiological differences between males and females, including both primary sex characteristics (the reproductive system) and secondary characteristics such as height and muscularity. Gender is a term that refers to social or cultural distinctions and roles associated with being male or female. Gender identity is the extent to which one identifies as being either masculine or feminine (Diamond, 2002). As gender is such a primary dimension of identity, socialization, institutional participation, and life chances, sociologists refer to it as a core status.

    165. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      This should put another nail in the British coffin when the results of the current enquiry are announced

    166. CameronB Brodie says:

      “Forensic science is a TERF”

      Third wave feminism aims to turn that around.


    167. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. the National asking questions of the BBC. The BBC only conceives of, and present, British politics in terms Tory v Labour. Both are neo-liberal, British nationalist parties with loyalty to the Queen, so there is no conflict with the Public Purposes of their Royal Charter. Fair treatment of the SNP definitely stands outwith the scope and is contrary to the intent of the BBC’s Public Purposes, specifically that of promoting social cohesion in Britain.

      Rethinking balance and impartiality in journalism?
      How the BBC attempted and failed to change the paradigm

      This article reconsiders the concepts of balance and impartiality in journalism, in the context of a quantitative content analysis of sourcing patterns in BBC news programming on radio, television and online in 2007 and 2012. Impartiality is the cornerstone of principles of public service broadcasting at the BBC and other broadcasters modelled on it. However, the article suggests that in the case of the BBC, it is principally put into practice through juxtaposing the positions of the two main political parties – Conservative and Labour. On this basis, the article develops the idea of the ‘paradigm of impartialityas-balance.’ This paradigm prevails despite the news organisation’s commitment to representing a broader range of opinion. The paradigm of impartiality-as-balance means that only a narrow range of views and voices are heard on the most contentious and important issues. Further, it results in reporting that focuses on party-political conflict, to the detriment of a journalism which provides much-needed context.

      BBC, European Union, immigration, impartiality, journalism practice, objectivity, public service broadcasting, religion

      Think Tanks, Television News and Impartiality

      Bias, Bullshit and Lies
      Audience Perspectives on Low Trust in the Media

    168. CameronB Brodie says:

      I could do this all night but I won’t.

      What’s actually going on with the BBC and Brexit bias?

    169. Ian Foulds says:

      Glasgow Airport link to City

      Has the viability of using fast boat transfer to the centre of Glasgow by shuttle bus from the airport been considered if the shuttle rail link is going to affect the existing rail services?

    170. CameronB Brodie says:

      Re. the Mermaids’ gender identity chart. Gender is a problematic but helpful linguistic placeholder to describe a complex biopsychosocial phenomena experienced, either positively or negatively, by all individuals. Gender is biopsychosocially grounded, malleable to social stimuli and capable of change over time. Sex and gender are not the same.

      Critical Realism, Gender and Feminism: Exchanges, Challenges, Synergies

      As alluded to in the introductory paragraph, however, the subject of ontology as a concern in its own right has lately garnered increasing amounts of attention among feminist theorists as well. This turn to ontology (Hemmings 2005, “Invoking Affect: Cultural Theory and the Ontological Turn.” Cultural Studies 19 (5): 548–67.), coupled with a turn to nature and materiality, can be understood as an explicit reaction to the discursive and epistemological focus in previously-dominant strands of feminist theory. Indeed, while discursively oriented feminist theorists have generally been wary of realism and the idea of the ontological as a distinct field that we can meaningfully discuss, within the current ‘new materialist’ turn (Alaimo and Hekman 2008, Material Feminisms; Coole and Frost 2010, New Materialisms: Ontology, Agency, and Politics.) ontology is being forcefully foregrounded and ‘new’ forms of realism are endorsed.

      The paradox with which this paradigm presents us, however, is that its claims in favour of ontology are, at least at times, coupled with a reluctance to actually distinguish ontology from epistemology (e.g. Barad 2007 Barad, K. 2007. Meeting the Universe Halfway: Quantum Physics and the Entanglement of Matter and Meaning. ; Hekman 2010 Hekman, The Material of Knowledge. ). This tendency is perhaps most clearly apparent in Barad’s aforementioned ‘onto-epistemological’ approach, which has gained immense traction among feminist scholars who are interested in exploring alternatives to discursive forms of poststructuralism.

    171. Dan says:

      Test post.

      Can’t find my more recent posts. Have ctrl F’ed various specific words I used over last ten articles multiple times.
      Words I definitely used were disparity, growth rates, population, economic effect, Valentine, and get no hits.
      I questioned Robert Peffers pulling me up on approximate population numbers and growth rates.
      You’ll not keep new posters here if they get their post deleted.

    172. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Dan.

      Use Google Advanced Search.

      In the “this exact word or phrase:” box, type

      Dan says


      In the “site or domain:” box, paste,


      You will get this page of results.

      About 25 results (0.24 seconds)

      The WordPress search tool is rather crap.

    173. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Very appropriate currently. Some bad words

    174. Cactus says:

      Hey Dan ~

      Robert Peffers is a long time Winger.

      Robert means very very well.

      Just get 2 know him like.

      We all have our ways.

      As do aye.

    175. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Cactus.

      I’ve seen you smokin’ fags. That’s no’ good for your lungs an’ thah. I was that man. I’ve had 12 rollie-ups since Hogmanay. The last was on 3rd February. Vaping is the way forward, for your lungs’ sake.

    176. Cactus says:

      Haha ahm ah changed man bddt.

      See ye 2/3/19.

      Oui good.

    177. Cactus says:

      Ahm just startin’ up bdtt…

      Back on laters..

      On tour.

    178. Dan says:

      Cheers for quick response Brian. But that still doesn’t find my particular posts.
      Have found nearly all my previous posts with ctrl f search as only started posting a week or so back but not the 2 or 3 in question.
      Looks like there was a previous Dan poster way back and also that recent character Danny who didn’t last long.
      I’ve no problem with RobertP at all. Have often printed out his comments to share with my elderly neighbours who haven’t access to the internet.

      Hey Cactus, I know RP is a stalwart of the Indy cause. My alert reader badge is why I know that, and also why I noticed my posts are missing…

      Now beginning to think Rev deleted them because there was vegetable content in them and being an alert dude I also ken he doesn’t dig veg!

    179. CameronB Brodie says:

      Here’s one for Spain’s political prisoners. Justice will win out, it always does.

      Francisco Tárrega – Variaciones sobre “El Carnaval de Venecia” de Paganini

    180. Dan says:

      Doh! And the problem is solved. The posts I couldn’t find were on an article that had managed to accrue a second page of comments. I’d commented on the first page so they didn’t show up when I searched..
      Quietly takes off alert reader badge…

    181. CameronB Brodie says:

      Gender identity is located in the mind. Trans-women should have their own sporting competitions as they have unfair physical advantage against biological women, obvs. Men should not be enabled to choose which sex they are, as that’s simply pandering to social and cultural entitlement and would wreck our current understanding of reality.

      Neuroscience and Sex/Gender

      neuroGenderings: The Network

      In neuroGenderings, a transdisciplinary and inter-national group of researchers from the neurosciences, the humanities and science studies working on and in the neuroscience of gender convened to discuss the broad theme of sex/gender and the brain. As this specific interdisciplinary field of research usually hosts very different epistemological approaches, a common knowledge of neuroscience and gender studies was a prerequisite for the group’s theoretical and methodological exchange. The participants lively debated crucial issues, from current research on sex/gender difference in neuropsychology, through the implications of notions of sex/gender, gender identity and sexuality used in neuroscientific experimentation, to the social workings of a sexed/gendered brain.

      Female or Male? Researching the Complexity of Gender Identity

      Neurobiology of gender identity and sexual orientation.

    182. CameronB Brodie says:


      Men should not be enabled to self-ID which sex they are….

    183. CameronB Brodie says:

      If the GRA passes into law, then I think all women should immediately declare themselves men and claim compensation for underpayment of wages and salaries (backdated obvs.). 😉

    184. Cactus says:

      Batter in y’all, ahm here NOW.


    185. Cactus says:

      Gies A leg up like Scotland…

      Kenneth Ballantyne Andrew 13th February 2019 says ~

      “Your magazine is of a very high quality (physically and intellectually) and in today’s fractured society your messages for your readers and beyond are essential to provide a balance to a confused public.”

      Tis awe aboot iScot.

      Get intae it.


    186. Cactus says:

      Okay ahm gonnae settle down NOW tae watch “Sully” settin’ it down on the Hudson.

      Having SO much FUN on Wings Over Scotland.

      Cheers WOS Boss 🙂

      Love is cool.

    187. CameronB Brodie says:

      OK, so you’re up to speed on the biopsychosocial nature of our health, as well as the neuroscience of our decision making, right? As such, you’ll no doubt agree that emotions are pivotal to the way we see the world, and fundamentally shape the decisions we make. So, how does British nationalism deal with Scotland’s emotional powers of reason and does it allow Scots a sense of affective citizenship? Not in my eyes, it doesn’t.

      Acts of affective citizenship?: Possibilities and limitations.

      After briefly discussing the ‘affective turn’ in citizenship studies, this afterword discusses the political mobilisation of affect to consider when, where, and how affect may be connected to citizenship. It asks: What does it mean and do to speak of affective acts as acts of affective citizenship? I argue that the phrase ‘affective citizenship’ attaches affect to a very specific object: citizenship. Studying affective citizenship requires attention to how some feelings attach themselves to citizenship and to how citizenship itself can evoke certain feelings. But affective citizenship does not occur ‘naturally’: it arises from, requires and/or produces knowledge, labour, and (new) ‘feeling rules’ (Hochschild in de Wilde and Duyvendak). I conclude with a call for more research into the dynamics of affective citizenship that go beyond a simple opposition between those simply conceived of as agents of disciplinary power and those seen as (resisting) subjects of disciplinary power.

      affective citizenship, acts of citizenship, emotions, feelings, investment, knowledge

    188. Tinto Chiel says:

      Alexandra Parade, Glasgow?

      Faites vos jeux…

    189. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      And onto important matters…….
      Surely the end of the line for Brendan Rogers. Every team he has managed has been unable to defend and I’m tired of watching Celtic fannying about in the middle of the park in their own half then losing the ball and losing goals.

    190. CameronB Brodie says:

      Well, if were taking about midfielders.

      Xavi Hernandez

    191. CameronB Brodie says:

      Well, if were taking about midfielders.

      Xavi Hernandez

    192. Cactus says:

      Marnin’ all howdes all, we were sharing some Talisker t’other nicht… aye now hear that some call it “the talkin’ whisky”, is that a fact, well aye never.

      Ah likes to try tae add in a wee bit of spicy stimulation every now and then, especially on days before so-called important voting occurs in the Hoose of Common-peoples, maybe it’s automatic like hehe.

      It is good to vent… periodically and then return to ‘normal’ 😉

      Which is similar to Scotland really.

      Ah’ll let Will Fyfe put things intae some kinda perspective:

      Have an excellent Friday, Super Troupers.

      Look around.

    193. CameronB Brodie says:

      So it looks like I’m needed on spud duty for a little longer than expected. I don’t mind, being family, but I generally consider it bad manners when others thoughtlessly impinge on my agency. It’s just my nature. Anyway, I hope all you readers in Scotland are ready to fit in to your new legal personality of Brexitanians, subjects to the new state born out of the Brexit debacle.

      The Future Primitives – Everybody Up

    194. CameronB Brodie says:

      I know that some of the ideas I suggest might appear totally wako but I guarantee you they will be closer to the truth than the bollocks you read in the papers. Right, time to go full Cultural Theory on your asses. 🙂

      No Popery’s Ghost
      Does Popular Anti-Catholicism Survive in Contemporary Britain?


      Anti-Catholicism has been a feature of British history from the Reformation, but it has been little studied for the period since the Second World War, and rarely using quantitative methods. A thematically-arranged aggregate analysis of around 180 opinion polls among representative samples of adults since the 1950s offers insights into developing attitudes of the British public to Catholics and the Catholic Church. Anti-Catholicism against individual Catholics is found to have diminished. Negativity toward the Catholic Church and its leadership has increased, especially since the Millennium. Generic and specific explanations are offered for these trends, within the context of other manifestations of religious prejudice and other religious changes.$002fjre$002f7$002f2$002farticle-p116_2.xml

      Religion, ethnicity and colonialism as explanations of the Northern Ireland conflict

      An Examination of the Evidence on Sectarianism in Scotland

    195. CameronB Brodie says:

      Remember, a hard Brexit is most strongly supported by residents of England who identify as non-practicing Anglicans, English only and with a strong opposition to immigration and multi-culturalism. The Brexit dynamics are simple. The media pimped the racism and greed of the far-right elite and the poor swallowed it. Britain is fucked!

    196. CameronB Brodie says:

      OK, it’s not quite that simple. The poor were rejecting the Establishment, the status quo and stuff, as well. Anyway, prejudice and economic illiteracy now trump tolerance and prudential pragmatism, as the values defining the British nation.

    197. Tinto Chiel says:

      “The media pimped the racism and greed of the far-right elite and the poor swallowed it.”

      Great summary of events, Cameron, to which I would only add “blaming the EU for the effects of Red and Blue Tory austerity”.

      Wise words, Sheena. Everyone knows the type.

    198. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Tinto Chiel.

      Here are a couple of Sheena videos from 2014, that you may like.

    199. Tinto Chiel says:

      Thanks for some happy memories, Brian: seeing the blue Yes fire engine again, the pandas and even a Harry Lawson fae Broughty Ferry tanker.

      The words of Indy Dundee make it all seem so straightforward, innit? I’m so old I remember the BBC playing “Bonnie Dundee” to introduce Dundee FC’s European Cup semi-final.

      If any one likes Sheena W’s stuff, Hamely Fare is an excellent CD with some great versions of classic songs.

    200. CameronB Brodie says:

      That Toby Yong knows jack squat. The thought that he was formerly Director of the New Schools Network is frankly disturbing. Entitled prick.

      Nine lives of uncertainty in decision-making: strategies for dealing with uncertainty in environmental governance


      Governing complex environmental issues involves intensive interaction between public and private actors. These governance processes are fraught with uncertainties about, for example, the current state of environmental affairs, the relevant set of decision alternatives, the reactions of other actors to proposed solutions or the future developments likely to affect an issue. Uncertainty comes in different shapes and sizes and different strands in the literature, which has placed emphasis either on the substance of the issue (e.g. in environmental sciences) or on the decision-making process (e.g. policy sciences).

      In this paper, we bring together these different strands of literature on uncertainty to present a novel analytical framework. We build on the argument that the nature of uncertainty consists of three types: epistemic uncertainty (involving the lack of knowledge about a particular system), ontological uncertainty (irreducible unpredictability due to inherently complex system behavior) and ambiguity (conflicts between fundamentally different frames about the issue at hand).

      Scholars have also argued the importance of differentiating between three different objects of uncertainty: substantive uncertainty (uncertainty about the content of decisions or policy issues), strategic uncertainty (uncertainty about the actions of other actors in the strategic game of decision-making) and institutional uncertainty (uncertainty about the rules of the game in decision-making). The framework is useful for analyzing and addressing the nine lives of uncertainty in decision-making. Better understanding of the range of uncertainties is crucial to design more robust policies and governance arrangements and to deal with wicked environmental problems.

      KEYWORDS: Uncertainty, ambiguity, wicked problems, decision-making, environmental governance

    201. CameronB Brodie says:

      @Stonewall UK

      The Absurdity of Transgenderism: A Stern but Necessary Critique

      We should make public policy and encourage social norms that reflect the truth about the human person and sexuality, not obfuscate the truth about such matters and sow the seeds of sexual confusion in future generations for years to come.

    202. CameronB Brodie says:

      If you’re not concerned about the effects of Brexit, you probably don’t need to worry about your healthcare.


      Almost by definition decision-making is typical human activity, and therefore important psychological subject. The starting point of its classical conception within psychology could be traced back to economy and mathematic, with ideas of human as rational economic being, and conceptualising decision making as choice between two or more alternatives, and as such being a separate event in space and time. Already in fifties Herbert Simon challenged such a view with his concept of bounded rationality, emerging from the joint effect of internal limitations of the human mind, and the structure of external environments in which the mind operates. During the last decades with the shift to the real word situations where decisions are embedded in larger tasks, becoming so part of the study of action, the lost rational human appeared again as efficient creature in the complex environment. Gigerenzer showed how heuristics help in this process.

      bounded rationality, decision making, heuristics, macro cognition, naturalistic decision making

      Why Bounded Rationality?

      Expanding the scope and relevance of health interventions: Moving beyond clinical trials and behavior change models

    203. Tinto Chiel says:

      When I was a teenager I got a job working with a girl called Emily on the petrol pumps at the local garage. I saw Emily play, of course, but I’ve played that already so this is another from that happy time:

      One day a guy came in with a beautiful Porsche and told me to fill her up. I opened the petrol cap and saw a stone jamming the pipe. I got that one out but there was another below it, and then another, etc. Think the guy had made an enemy somewhere. He was somewhat beelin.

      Fortunately, he put the car into the garage for repair and the head mechanic later took me out twice in it for a “road test” ‘cos he knew I was mad about sports cars.

      No names, no pack drill 😉 .

    204. CameronB Brodie says:

      One for the Billy Mitchell.

      Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds – Red Right Hand

    205. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Tinto Chiel.

      I was at the Anderlecht and AC Milan games.

      Onnyhoo, your Yardbirds track reminded me of this slightly obscure Spencer Davis track. It comes from that period when the Spencer Davis combo were morphing into Traffic. It featured on the soundtrack of “Here We Go Round The Mulberry Bush”, which was the first X I saw, just before my 16th birthday, in the Dundee Gaumont.

      That soundtrack also featured Traffic, with the Spencer Davis Group playing as the band in the local youth club. ‘Twas Traffic who supplied the title song.

      The (young) cast included quite a number who went on to greater things – Barry Evans, Judy Geeson, Diane Keen, Adrienne Posta, Christopher Timothy and so on. You can download the movie at this link. The link on the page starts, “” and is below the large graphic. (Select ‘Free Download’.) The file is a compressed AVI. Watch out for any dodgy popups before you access the actual movie file. I didn’t get any – the link went straight to the download page.

      The soundtrack album contains all good stuff, if you want to search YouTube for it.

    206. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      My comment on the main page,

      led me to this one as the next up:-

      Wuv dun sum bra’ music an’ thah’, iye?

    207. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      For some reason, on reading the latest page, I was reminded of this video.

      Having, subsequently, blethered with Sarah and Sophie at different rallies, what I found eyebrow-raising was that they had no idea how iconic their action on the 19th was.

      That took a special kind of courage on that night.

    208. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      As happens, when watching a YouTube video, you get a ‘next up’. I’ve just watched one after ‘Saltire Sisters’, that I hadn’t seen before. It’s quite even-handed.

      We do have some ignorant numpties, iye?

    209. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Looks like abdee’s gone ti the perty that eh didnae git an invite fur…

    210. CameronB Brodie says:

      Brian Doonthetoon
      Looks like I didn’t get an invite either.

      Reggie Watts – A Song About Apples (Always Love Yourself)

    211. CameronB Brodie says:

      Seeing as how I might have sparked some folks’ interest in Post-Colonial Studies and Post-Colonial Theory. Owen Jones might be interested as he was on the BBC today. talking about colonialism. Good that the subject has gained attention but let’s treat the mater with respect.

      Towards a subaltern aesthetics: Reassessing Postcolonial

      Borders and Boundaries: these terms appropriately describe a certain tendency prevailing in Irish and Scottish Studies which delineates and thus delimits their field in terms of national concerns. While postcolonial criticism shows the potential to adhere to national boundaries whilst
      embedding them in an international context, this paper aims to shift its relevance from questions about the nation to the sectional interests of subaltern concerns for a reading of contemporary Irish, Northern Irish and Scottish literatures.

      A postcolonial approach for these cultures is problematic, as both Ireland and Scotland were themselves part of the colonisation process. Whereas Irish writing has been increasingly refigured in postcolonial terms, Scotland remains overlooked. Contemporary critical examinations of the crosscurrents between Scottish and Irish literatures emphasise, as Marilyn Reizbaum justifies her own cross-marginal approach, ‘their status as minority cultures’ with ‘comparable “colonial” histories with respect to England’ (Reizbaum, 1992, p.169). The predominance of issues of identity, which traverse through Irish and Scottish Studies respectively, seems to justify the preoccupancy with national paradigms. However, these, as this paper will argue, have proven the capacity to subsume identity markers such as class and gender.

      As postcolonialism has tended to uphold a resurgent nationalism which recuperates colonial structures, the method of the Subaltern Studies Group offers possibilities to trace affiliate concerns within the socio-cultural archipelago of my survey. Concerns such as class and gender permit the establishment of affiliations between writers that circumvent the naïve equation of nations as already agreed concepts.

      This paper will discuss the contentious use of postcolonial theory in Irish and Scottish Studies in order to illuminate the problematics inherent in a postcolonialism which centres its analysis around the monolithic terminology of the colonial divide and maintains the teleological discourse of the nation as the main and only level at which the postcolonial seems to be of any relevance. In challenging the previous limiting usage of postcolonial criticism, my work aims to re-access its potential as an enabling ethical criticism for cross-archipelagic studies through the insights of subaltern concerns. Thus, in conclusion, I will point out how this approach can be used for reading the work of the Scottish writer James Kelman and the Northern Irish writer Robert McLiam Wilson.

      The Fall – A Lot Of Wind

    212. Tinto Chiel says:

      Morning, BDTT.

      Missed your stuff: out goat nadgering again (’tis the season).

      That first SDG track was rather strange but maybe it worked better in the film. I remember the poster for it and Judy Geeson and Adrienne Posta. My brother got in ‘cos he was older than me.

    213. Tinto Chiel says:

      Sorry, that went off too early.

      I can’t see us marching along the Royal Mile to an eightsome. How about Stand and Deliver by Adam and The Ants 😛 ?

      The Saltire Sisters were brave. Probably the only thing that saved them was that even the knuckle-draggers couldn’t quite stoop to beating up girls. How nice of the police to arrest S&S and keep them in the cells while ignoring all the nasty little fascists who rioted and set fire to the Sunday Herald premises.

      Off to clean my graith fae the night before.

    214. Tinto Chiel says:

      Or we could process along the RM in this fashion:

    215. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Saw this a couple of days ago and typed to myself, “I like that!”

      The Pedants’ Revolt…

    216. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      This turned up on my Facebook news feed:

      “Here’s a heads up:
      Saturday, April 20, 2019
      Flash Cadillac 50th Anniversary
      Celebration Concert at the Colorado Springs Fine Arts Center at Colorado College 7:30pm”

      Reminded me of their great single which I bought in early 1977, thanks to guy called Norrie McGrath flagging it up.

    217. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. measuring everything that makes life worthwhile.

      Quantitative and qualitative social science

      Qualitative research

      Qualitative Social Research
      Contemporary Methods for the Digital Age

    218. CameronB Brodie says:

      Thank you Jack Appleby, it is the sexist stereotypes attached to gender identity that are the real problem. We simply won’t evolve into a more geo-politically balanced, gender equal and tolerant global society until these are demolished as the foundations of patriarchal society.

      Theoretical Perspectives on Gender and Development

      4. How gender stereotypes/stereotyping harm women

      Gender after gender: fragmentation, intersectionality, and stereotyping

    219. CameronB Brodie says:

      See that Brian Wilson. I’ll take him on in debate any day he wants. So long as he promises to ensure his argument remains grounded in the real. “Sterile nationalism”, what a prick.

      Sly & the Family Stone – Thank you

    220. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      All the evidence you need (if youneeded any) toprove tha t the medai is completely controlled by the UK/US establishment – and tha the lie about Syria is the biggest lie we have ever been told.

    221. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Sorry about the typos. Pressed the submit before I had corrected it.

    222. CameronB Brodie says:

      The Neoliberal Way of War: A Critical Analysis of Contemporary British Security in Policy and Practice

    223. CameronB Brodie says:

      So how can we think critically about the character of neo-liberal British/English nationalism? Does that style of nationalism fit your asperations, ensure security, or provide a comfortable fit for Scottish culture? How does it afford protection of basic human rights to Scotland’s resident population? In what way will Brexit require Scots to re-imagine themselves, in order to claim Brexitarian citizenship rights. What will be the ‘correct’ citizenship roles for future generations of Scots to come?

      Ideology and discourse analysis


      Contrary to most traditional approaches, ideologies are defined here within a multidisciplinary framework that combines a social, cognitive and discursive component. As ‘systems of ideas’, ideologies are sociocognitively defined as shared representations of social groups, and more specifically as the ‘axiomatic’ principles of such representations. As the basis of a social group’s self-image, ideologies organize its identity, actions, aims, norms and values, and resources as well as its relations to other social groups. Ideologies are distinct from the sociocognitive basis of broader cultural communities, within which different ideological groups share fundamental beliefs such as their cultural knowledge.

      Ideologies are expressed and generally reproduced in the social practices of their members, and more particularly acquired, confirmed, changed and perpetuated through discourse. Although general properties of language and discourse are not, as such, ideologically marked, systematic discourse analysis offers powerful methods to study the structures and functions of ‘underlying’ ideologies. The ideological polarization between ingroups and outgroups— a prominent feature of the structure of ideologies—may also be systematically studied at all levels of text and talk, e.g. by analysing how members of ingroups typically emphasize their own good deeds and properties and the bad ones of the outgroup, and mitigate or deny their own bad ones and the good ones of the outgroup.

      Ideological Analysis

      Editorial: Critical Perspectives on Ideology, Identity, and Interaction
      1. Ideology, identity and interaction within discourse and society dialectics

    224. CameronB Brodie says:

      Is this the way forward for Scotland or does a “rights based” approach to government that is codified in a written constitution, not sound a lot more attractive? How does neo-liberalism affect your biological security? How will it affect you and your family in Brexitania?

      Austerity: Neoliberal dreams come true?

      The 2008 global economic crisis paved the way for the construction of a new, elite-driven, capitalcentric, shrunken welfare state project founded on ideology disguised as pragmatism and objective ‘truths’. Today, welfare states exist in a context in which a new politics of austerity sets the parameters of the debate. Austerity incorporates the neoliberal desire to shrink the (social welfare) state, deregulate labour markets and emphasise private markets as the drivers of growth, enabling a reconfiguration of the interests of capital, the needs of people and the role of the state.

      The new politics of austerity looks like a ‘dream come true’ for neoliberals. Or is it? There is also a powerful counter-narrative that suggests that the global crisis exposed the fundamental weaknesses and limitations of neoliberalism and
      forced policy makers to question core principles and change direction. Focusing on the International Monetary Fund (IMF), perhaps the preeminent global neoliberal interlocutor, and using quantitative textual analysis, the article locates some evidence of movement, but little to suggest that the fundamental assumptions of neoliberalism have been displaced.

      Key words
      austerity, IMF, neoliberalism, welfare states

      Currents of Neo-Liberalism: British Political Ideologies and the New Right, c.1955–79*

      A Critcal Reader

    225. CameronB Brodie says:

      Night night.

      Eurythmics – Sweet Dreams (S?n Lê, Holderz Remix)

    226. CameronB Brodie says:

      @SNP Administration
      Please reconsider your position re. the GRA, as it is not supported by science and will undermine the social position of women. It is illiberal and sexist legislation.

      Women’s Rights and the Proposed Changes to the Gender Recognition Act

    227. CameronB Brodie says:

      P.S. Policy can not escape the charge of being illiberal if it is not supported by science.

    228. Tinto Chiel says:

      I’m sure I’m not alone among the savants, lobey dossers and loblollymen (and Laydees) on here in seeking all kinds of musical solace in these difficult times.

      Sibelius has always seemed to me a kind of honorary Scotsman: dour, thrawn, melancholic, with a liking for the hard stuff and a lover of the majesty and mystery of the landscape around him, which all became transmuted into music like this:

      I wish the much-missed lumilumi were around to tell me where the stress is in “Tapiola” but I’ll settle for the Usual Suspects telling me where to go.


    229. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Tinto Chiel.

      I’ve always liked Sibelius, from the days when the Intermezzo from the Karelia Suite was used as the theme for “This Week” in ITV.

      It got me into The Nice as well. Saw them doing this in the Caird Hall in 1968.

      Then there’s quiet “ballad” bit of the Karelia Suite, before it goes into “Alla Marcia”.

      Which you will know as the signature tune of the world famous (on BBC Scotland) investigative reporter, Kevin Turvey.

    230. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      JEEZ! The Alla Marcia video…

      Does it not demonstrate how internationalist music can be?

    231. Tinto Chiel says:

      Yup, BDTT, “This Week” was probably where I heard my first Sibelius as a nipper and probably why I like the Karelia Suite so much.

      “Does it not demonstrate how internationalist music can be?”

      Good point: the Germans call England “Das Land ohne Musik”. Draw your own Brexit conclusions. Languages unfortunately often divide peoples but music stimulates emotions and moods which transcend mere words.

      I often have these grate thotts…

      Incidentally, I went a rovin’ re my own question and it seems Finnish is stressed on the first syllable.

      Tomorrow I am 65 but as long as Jake Hastie stays at Motherwell FC I don’t really care.

      Oh, and David Turnbull too, obvs.

      Oops! I may get Paula Rosed/Lucia Danesed for my lapse into fitba’.

      *Thrashes self in advance*

    232. CameronB Brodie says:

      Can I ask members of the SNP to apply the most urgent pressure they can to change the administration’s position re. the GRA. The ability to self-ID sex may advance the case of a minority but at the cost of legal rationality and the eradication of “womanhood”. It is illiberal, sexist and is storing up problems for future generations. As such, it can’t be considered ethical in inter-generational terms.

      The GRA will undermine the contribution that social science can make in advancing the cause of gender equality.

      N.B Currently, legal doctrine’s focus of interest is human action. The GRA expands this to human thought. The GRA can not be considered “liberal”, in the classical sense.

      Gender Analysis Guidelines


      Gender analysis is concerned with examining public policies and their outcomes through a gender lens. Conducting a gender analysis is a proactive way to address discrimination through a data and research-based process. It is a tool to understand gender gaps and create gender equitable policies and programs. Gender anlaysis highlights best practices to be encouraged or replicated and makes recommendations to address areas in need of improvement. By promoting general accountability built on measurable standards, this framework and gender analysis tool constitute an innovative approach to ensuring the human rights of women and girls.

      Gender analysis focuses on the differences in women’s and men’s lives, including those which lead to social and economic inequality for women, and applies this understanding to public policy development, service delivery, workforce issues, and budget allocations in an effort to achieve gender parity. It also recognizes that women’s lives are not all the same; the interests that women have in common may be determined as much by their social position or their ethnic identity as by the fact they are women. Thus, different strategies may be necessary to achieve equitable outcomes for women and men and among different groups of women.

      Feminist and Trans Perspectives on Identity and the UK Gender Recognition

      An intersectionality-based policy analysis framework: critical reflections on a methodology for advancing equity

    233. CameronB Brodie says:

      P.S. The GRA gives preference to “unbounded rationality” (empathy) over “bounded rationality” (reason). It dislocates the human subject from the social world. It undermines the normative foundations of human rights.

    234. Dan says:

      Sorry for long post.
      It’s been a long time since these figures were posted on Wings by Petra.
      I’m sure regulars in OT are familiar with this stuff but any new readers of Wings may not be.
      They are years old now as I saw them back in 2014 campaign. I have added the gin figure since it became more widely known.

      I always found this list extremely useful in helping folk begin to comprehend the viability of Scotland managing without Westminster.
      I don’t want to post inaccurate stuff on a main thread and Petra said she has lost the info due to tech problems.
      I mentioned that it would be great if these figures could be given a once over to make sure they are as accurate as possible and any additions that come to mind could be added too.
      EG: There’s bound to be some changes to renewable energy production stats I would have thought. Plus I’m sure I read on here that someone had noticed significant clearing of forestry as owners / investors might have been cashing out or burning it all in a similar fashion to the cash for ash debacle in NI. Certainly the local estates around me have all had huge expensive industrial sized pellet boilers fitted around their massive poorly insulated old piles, and these are generally folk that would spend a pound to save a penny. So I guess tax payers are subsidising this “green initiative”.

      Anyway, in between the tunes and banter over here can folk possibly cast their eyes over the following and see if they spot any errors or omissions.


      Scotland has only 8.3% of the UK’s population.

      But we DO have…

      32% of the land area.
      61% of the sea area.
      90% of the fresh water.
      65% of the natural gas production.
      96.5% of the crude oil production.
      47% of the open cast coal production
      81% of the untapped coal reserves
      62% of the timber production
      46% of the total forest area
      92% of the hydro electric production
      40% of the wind wave and solar energy production
      60% of the fish landings
      30% of the beef herd
      20% of the sheep herd
      9% of the dairy herd
      10% of the pig herd
      15% if the cereal holdings
      20% of the potato holdings
      70% of UK Gin production
      …obviously 100% of the Scotch Whisky industry.

      We have a…
      17 billion pound construction industry
      13 billion food and drink industry
      10 billion business services industry
      9.3 billion chemical services industry
      A 9.3 billion tourism industry
      7 billion financial services industry
      5 billion aeroservice industry
      4.5 billion pound whisky exports industry
      3.1 billion pound life sciences industry
      Scotland still has 350 million pounds worth of textile exports

      We have 25% of Europe’s wave and wind energy potential.

      And finally we are blessed to have 1.5 trillion pound worth of oil and gas reserves.

      All of this, yet only 8.3% of The UK’s population…

      Do you know… This is the UK’s legacy of success in our history of being better-together is as follows…

      The UK has the 3rd lowest pensions in the 34 OECD countries of the world

      The UK has the single most expensive childcare in the European Union

      The UK has the second lowest-paid economy in the entire developed world

      The UK has the 3rd longest working hours in the EU

      The UK has the lowest number of holidays in the EU

      The UK has the 8th highest gender inequality pay gap out of the EU’s 28 countries

      The UK has the highest likelihood of poverty in disablement in the EU

      The UK has the highest rail prices in Europe

      The UK has the second highest housing cost in Europe

      The UK has the highest fuel poverty rates in Europe.

      The UK is the 4th highest country of wealth inequality in the entire planet

    235. CameronB Brodie says:

      I’d love to do the honours but I’m not online at present (when in Edinburgh). My fault and entirely unrelated to finance. I’ll see what I can do over the next couple of days though.

    236. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Dan: thanks for the list. I had the Scottish %s saved on my old computer which died on me without warning before Christmas (I was bewailing the loss of the stats to Mrs TC just last week) but I hadn’t seen the “UK Bad” ones before.

      I’m sure some figures will need revision but fortunately on Wings there are plenty of people with the knowledge and expertise to do so.

      Unfortunately, I’m not one of them…


      Where’s Thepnr or yesindyref2 when you need them?

    237. CameronB Brodie says:

      I’ve defined human sex as being biologically grounded in order to make the science accessible to the general reader. This isn’t strictly the case though, so here’s a little bit of complexity to hopefully clarify the self-ID debate and avoid any criticism of being scientifically selective.

      As with sexuality and gender identity, sex is also biopsychsocially grounded. Genes are plastic in the same way as the architecture of the brain. They respond to social and environmental factors, such as pollution and the health of the parents. However, this does not detract from the reality that complex living beings, such as humans, are characterised by their sexual dimorphism. This fact is crucial to understanding human health.

      The sexual dimorphism dilemma

    238. CameronB Brodie says:

      Policy design and development is rarely value free. Who has been advising the SNP administration, HMG civil servants?

      Using Feminist Critical Policy Analysis in the Realm of Higher Education
      The Case of Welfare Reform as Gendered Educational Policy

    239. Cassandra says:

      Regarding the GRA, any of my attempts to alert my concerns to the SNP hierarchy have been met with closed ranks and a retreat into procedure.

      At my local branch which is male dominated with the majority aged 60+ of those who are active, the attitude is one of dismissal that it is not urgent as ‘we have more important’ issues to deal with.

      However, amongst my female acquaintances and friends who are of a similar demographic to myself, and who would normally vote SNP, there is a deep concern at how tone deaf the party appear. They seem obsessed with chasing what they think is the youth vote when in fact it is a tiny vocal minority – think TIE campaign etc.

      I cannot emphasise enough how dangerous this will be for the SNP if they pursue this ignoring the concerns of women who have fought all their lives for equality. We feel marginalised , powerless and ignored in favour of those who have just jumped on the ‘woke’ bus at the last stop.

    240. CameronB Brodie says:

      Thank you for sharing that. The SNP administration must be made aware that the GRA threatens to undermine healthcare and human rights. This isn’t an issue of uppity second-wave/post-colonial feminists pushing for more, this matter concerns the fabric of civil society.


      One for Scotland’s “louche left with leanings” who have still to recognize Brexit is inescapably immoral, Or to put it another way, Brexit is an articulation of contemporary British/English nationalism. It is void of ethical consideration and can be expected to make life harder for the vulnerable.

      P.S. It should be noted that Oxford forms one of the intellectual drivers of British nationalism.

      Scotland, Ireland, and Brexit: what history tells us

      Iain McLean is Professor of Politics and a fellow of Nuffield College.

    241. CameronB Brodie says:

      I’ve decided that my limited online time is probably better spent concentrating on the ‘wanky intellectual stuff’.

      OK, this is the sort of ethical immorality I talking about re. Berxit. It is the sign of a failed state when government endangers the ‘national’ economy and biological security in the way that Brexit does. Without concrete planning, pragmatism is simply clown-shoes fascism. Simples.


      Global Change and Indicators of Social Development

      Social Indicators and Indicator Systems:
      Tools for Social Monitoring and Reporting

    242. Michael McCabe says:

      Happy Birthday Tinto Chiel hope you have a great day and hopefully catch you on the 2nd if you are going. ? ? ???????

    243. Nana says:

      This one is for Tinto Chiel

      Have a good one Tinto!

    244. CameronB Brodie says:

      P.S. The GRA will obviously undermine the power of our social monitoring systems, so perhaps this is why the Tories are pushing ideology from the New Left.

    245. CameronB Brodie says:

      Tinto Chiel
      Sorry, head down and tunnel vision. Happy birthday mate.

    246. CameronB Brodie says:

      Last on the subject today. The post-structuralist interpretations of the world that support trans activism are helpful to the scientific understanding of the social world. However, they do not correspond to the findings of contemporary science so they do not provide a robust model on which to base public policy.

      Radical constructivism needs to be handled with care and applied in moderation.


      From the constructivist perspective, science cannot transcend the domain of experience. Scientific theories are seen as models that help to order and manage that domain. As the experiential field expands, models are replaced by others based on novel conceptual constructs. The paper suggests the substitution of ‘viability’ or ‘functional fit’ for the notions of Truth and objective representation of an experiencer-independent reality. This by-passes the sceptics’ incontrovertible arguments against certain real-world knowledge and proposes the Piagetian conception of cognition as the function that generates ways and means for dealing with the world of experience.

      Keywords: Abduction (Peirce), Abstractions, Experiential reality, Genetic Epistemology, Reflection, Scientific method, Scientific models, Theory of knowledge.

    247. Marie Clark says:

      Happy birthday Tinto, have a good one. Just remember, yer no gettin auld, yer like a good wine, maturing nicely.

      Anybody know how Smallaxe is doing. It’s been a while since we heard from him, the place is no the same withoot him. I know that he hasn’t been too grand, so I just wondered if Nana or Thepnr mibbies know how he’s doing.

    248. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Michael, Nana and Cameron: thanks, playmates for your very kind wishes. From my point of view there have been far too many “days like this” and it is a tombstone, sorry milestone that I could have done without 😛 .

      I got a card today from a relative with the message, “If you had a pound for every woman who found you unattractive, they’d soon find you attractive!”

      Och, the benter… *wipes away a silent tear of hurt*.

      Reminds me of a welcome mat I saw at the local ironmonger’s: “Friends welcome any time, family by appointment.”

      I’m planning to be there in March, Michael, ‘cos That There Ian B is bullying me into bringing my Special Surprise Spicy Savoury Rice (veggie option).

      As far as GRA is concerned, I’m astonished that someone with a male member capable of penetration can self-define as female and invade all-female spaces. I even heard on Women’s Hour of at least two women in English prisons who have been sexually assaulted by self-ID “women”.


    249. Tinto Chiel says:

      And thanks to you, Marie. Just saw your message on the refresh. I wanted to be Chateau Petrus but ended up as Lanliq, hee, hee.

      Coulda been a contender…

      Going out to celebrate with my handler so laters, haters.

    250. Ian Brotherhood says:

      Happy Birthday TC!


    251. Tinto Chiel says:

      Thanks, Ian, you young-shaver-me-lad 😉 .

      Breaking news: may include water chestnuts in my rice, with chilli and paprika. Taste sensation, imho.

      Special message: “The geese are flying high tonight.”


    252. cearc says:

      TC, Hope you has a good one. You’re three months ahead of me there.

    253. William Wallace says:

      Happy birthday TC.


      I am now a doubtful for 02/03.

      Been taken into hospital with inflamed appendix and am scheduled for surgery today. I will see how quickly I recover and let you know

    254. Liz g says:

      William Wallace @ 12.23
      Oh my… I hope you get on ok William!
      Your certainly having a time of it.
      Please let us all know (as soon as you feel up to it) how you are doing!
      Sending you all my best for a speedy recovery,and will be thinking of you and yours. xxx

    255. Tinto Chiel says:

      Morning, cearc. Hope you will soon be on the mend and ready for our final battle on the plains of Mordor with the Forces of Darkness. I like a mephator, soanado.

      It was good to meet you at Dumfries, William. Hope everything goes well today and you make it to Glasgow ok.

    256. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Thinking about that tortured lassie that is trying to come back from ISIS in Syria it has to be understood that what she thinks and how she feels is a direct and devastaing result of the utterly abominable behaviour of the UK/US axis of evil in the Middle East. Soem people seem to imagine that we can kill a million people, much of them innocent women and children, and we’ll just get away with it. Not for the next decades we wont. I wrote a poem some time ago after our savagery in Iraq

      There has to be a hell

      I went to bed last night
      I wept
      And as I slept
      I heard no tread
      But the silent dead moved by

      But why, oh why, oh why I cried
      Our leaders lied. They lied. They lied
      I had no part
      No bombs, no bullets in my hands
      We sang, we marched
      We sang, we sighed
      Not in our name we cried
      It wasn’t us.
      And then …..

      The quiet dead replied
      A million quiet voices sighed
      No bombs and bullets in our hands
      No bombs, no bullets in our hands
      It wasn’t us, it wasn’t us
      It surely wasn’t us,
      But on our lands and on our homes
      Your bombs and bullets fell
      And on our children in our arms

      And still the silent dead marched by
      As far as I could see
      They wept with me.
      If this could be
      There is no God to tell
      But pray, for those who sent the bombs
      There has to be a hell.

      Dave McEwan Hill

    257. cearc says:

      Best wishes for WW, today.


      Well there’s always a bright side.. As my treatment includes high levels of steroids, my rheumatoid arthritis has been knocked out. So, actually, I feel way better and more mobile than I have for over 10 years.

      It’s all the travelling that’s a drag. At least one night (about to be increased to 2 or 3) in hospital every 3 weeks and trips to the village every week that I’m not in Inverness. The upside of the more agressive regime is that they want new scans and tests before they switch, which means that I can go over next friday for them, stay in the non-med accomodation and mozy on down to Glasgow for the saturday knees up!

      Just need to book somewhere to stay.

    258. Liz g says:

      Cearc @ 1.56
      Glad to hear you’ll make it to the night out 🙂

    259. Sarah says:

      @ Dave M H: very good poem. Reminds me of the Great War poets – no lessons learnt by the powers-that-be, sadly.

    260. CameronB Brodie says:

      More on antisemitism in Britain.

      The chimera of British anti-Semitism (and how not to fight it if it were real)

      Norman G Finkelstein on the accusations of anti-semitism against Corbyn’s Labour Party.

      The current hysteria engulfing the British Labour Party resolves itself into a pair of interrelated, if discrete, premises*: Anti-Semitism in British society at large and the Labour Party in particular have reached crisis proportions. If neither of these premises can be sustained, then the hysteria is a fabrication. In fact, no evidence has been adduced to substantiate either of them; on the contrary, all the evidence points in the opposite direction. The rational conclusion is that the brouhaha is a calculated hoax—dare it be said, plot?—to oust Jeremy Corbyn and the principled leftist politics he represents from British public life.

      Antisemitism in Britain


    261. William Wallace says:

      Thanks for your kind thoughts and good wishes folks. I have had the op now and it has gone well. They did it all via 3 keyholes rather than me needing opened up fully. Can’t really move much at the moment but, I am hopeful that recovery might be swift enough to enable me to make the night oot, albeit sober or maybe just a wee pint on the night.

      Another positive is that my CT scan results were good as there are no other issues down there (something that was worrying me enormously).

      I’m a wee bit woozy with the oromorph so I’ll sign aff the now. Take care all and if I dinnae make the night oot, then I hope yiz ah hae a top night. (Have a wee dram for me)

    262. Tinto Chiel says:

      Glad to hear you’ll be able to come down. I’ll save all my best jokes for you.



    263. Tinto Chiel says:

      Good news too, WW.

      Take it easy.

    264. CameronB Brodie says:

      William Wallace
      Sleep well, hopefully meet up with you in Glasgow.

    265. Sarah says:

      @Daisy Walker: I asked a cousin who stays near Perth about that building. She said it is next to the Isle of Skye hotel so, as you probably know, it has difficult access. It has been a hostel for quite a few years and probably needs a lot of work. And it has been snapped up already!

    266. Daisy Walker says:

      Thanks Sarah, and for your earlier comments.

      I was aware the site would need work – how and ever £350,000 is a steal.

      Any idea the identify of who has bought it, and how friendly they are with the local Council.

      Apparently this is one of many properties going, at discount rate.

    267. Sarah says:

      Daisy – I think if my cousin knew anything along the lines of what you are saying she would have told me! Do we know it actually sold for £350,000 or was that just asking for “offers over”?

    268. CameronB Brodie says:

      This might appear cold but these trans-activists are a social problem that is getting out of hand. Post-structuralism is useful to our understanding of the world but it is not a philosophy for practical living. Feels over reals is simply pandering to narcissistic fantasy, IMHO.

      Can “performativety” really be considered more than a repackaging of neo-liberalism?

      Towards a Radical Constructivist Understanding of Science

      Abstract. Constructivism is the idea that we construct our own world rather than it being determined by an outside reality. Its most consistent form, Radical Constructivism (RC), claims that we cannot transcend our experiences. Thus it doesn’t make sense to say that our constructions gradually approach the structure of an external reality. The mind is necessarily an epistemological solipsist, in contrast to being an ontological solipsist who maintains that this is all there is, namely a single mind within which the only world exists.

      RC recognizes the impossibility of the claim that the world does not exist. Yet, RC has the potential to go much further. I claim that RC provides the foundation of a new world-view in which we can overcome hard scientific problems. Thus, the paper is urging us to carry RC further, not just on philosophical grounds, but also into the domain of science.

      Keywords. Epistemology, instrumentalism, scientific realism, truth, solipsism.

      Personal Construct Psychology, Constructivism, and Postmodern Thought

      Radical versus Social Constructivism: Dilemma, Dialogue, and Defense

    269. Daisy Walker says:

      Sarah, I did ask my source – surely its offers over, or an auction, and I was told it went for £350,000.

      However, I’ve nothing to back that up with and would have to check – somewhere, somehow. Not my field of expertise. My source is pretty good generally speaking.

    270. Sarah says:

      Daisy – I don’t need to know the price – just idle curiosity!

    271. CameronB Brodie says:

      Post-structuralism Constructivism is useful…

      Though it is the healthy option to construct yourself in ways that enable you to actualise your potential, this can not be achieved by denying reality and living in a world of fantasy.

      Critical psychiatry, critical psychology, and the behaviorism of B. F. Skinner.


      Critical psychiatry suggests that the currently dominant medical model in psychiatry overstates internal disturbance and understates environmental stressors as important causal factors in psychological distress. Critical psychology suggests that when individuals experience problems in a culture, psychology emphasizes individual, rather than cultural, change. This article provides a brief overview of critical psychiatry and critical psychology and outlines how both movements share important epistemological similarities with the writings of B. F. Skinner, the founder of radical behaviorism. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2016 APA, all rights reserved)

      The cultural change that trans-activists demand is unacceptable i.e. the practical eradication of “womanhood”. IMHO, the cultural change that we need is the demolition of sexist stereotypes, not the adoption of radical science as our guide to public policy.

    272. CameronB Brodie says:

      “What fresh hell is this?”


    273. CameronB Brodie says:

      Cough. And did I not suggest Theresa May is a white suremasist cultural chauvinist.

    274. CameronB Brodie says:

      Joanna Cherry QC MP
      Please don’t allow a naive approach to damage Scotland’s future. English culture is structurally racists. Racists don’t respect the Other or their culture.

      The Master’s Tools Will Never Dismantle the Master’s House
      Audre Lorde

    275. CameronB Brodie says:

      N.B. Racists seeks to silence and exclude the Other.

    276. Tinto Chiel says:

      Dated but topical:

      I like a good paradox.

    277. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @TC –

      Saw your comment on MT re the EIS/’strike’ etc.

      Here’s hoping abody involves sees sense. It’s embarrassing.

    278. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. Brexit and Scotland’s future. Want your future determined by the cultural chauvinism racism of the “OLD FASHIONED PERSONALITY”?

      Personality Theories: Critical Perspectives

      Psychological Perspectives

      Orientalism at home: Islamophobia in the representations of Islam and Muslims by the New Labour Government

      Old-Fashioned Racism, Contemporary Islamophobia, and the Isolation of Muslim Americans in the Age of Trump

    279. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Asa many years a teacher I find it worse than embarrassing. It is disgraceful and Swinny should just face them down -or remove the offer completely and offer them the same as the English teachers are getting.

      There is absolutely zero public support for them

    280. Tinto Chiel says:

      From my soundings from some of the large minority who voted to accept the SG offer, this could well be Flanagan’s Scargill moment, Ian, when he loses the membership who see it as simple politicking.

      There was a preponderance of BLiS______d types in the EIS in the past as school representatives and there is probably still a residue pushing opportunistic buttons.

      Frankly, I always found CP types more principled and realistic. Strangely too, most of the ones I knew have since moved to Yes.

    281. David says:

      Cheers Tinto!
      Here is more news from 1981 –
      – and funnily enough even then the Tories were anti-immigration:

      Not The Nine O’Clock News sketch – Rowan Atkinson as a Tory at their Annual Conference.

    282. David says:

      Our best comedians can deliver essential but unpalatable truths.
      The essence of two-facedness, as shown in Westminster:

      One-minute sketch from Not The Nine O’Clock News, two politicians (Mel Smith and Rowan Atkinson) arguing hard with each other on a tv talk show, until…

    283. Tinto Chiel says:

      Hi, David.

      Are you still living and working in Brazil?

      UK politics are beyond satire now, sadly, but I enjoyed those old clips.

    284. ronnie anderson says:

      Belated Birthday greetings Tinto Cheil sees you on the 2nd March

    285. Tinto Chiel says:

      Thanks, Ronnie. Not proud of my years but see you there, bp permitting!

    286. Tinto Chiel says:

      It’s late, so get on the headphones and groove to a song for Nigel, Boris and Treeza

      Bonsoir, mes braves!

    287. CameronB Brodie says:

      @Brian Wilson
      I thought these might interest you, seeing as how you’re an academic and all. 😉

      Freedom as Rational Self?Determination

      Offers an interpretation of the core conception of freedom found in Hegel’s social and political philosophy. It argues that to an extent that is sometimes underestimated in the secondary literature Hegel follows Kant in conceptualizing freedom as rational self?determination. Through a study of Hegel’s claim that there is an opposition between freedom and authority, the chapter explains why freedom is associated with rational self?determination and it considers and responds to various standard objections (e.g. those of Isaiah Berlin) against understanding freedom in this way.

      Keywords: authority, freedom, Hegel, Isaiah Berlin, Kant, rational self?determination, self?determination


      Nationalism, Self-determination and Secession

    288. CameronB Brodie says:

      P.S. Rational self-determination requires an element of inductive reasoning. Inductive reasoning is only possible in an information environment that provides realistic context. As such* Scotland’s media environment undermines the ability of Scots to think rationally about the independence question (see “Project Fear” and the BBC in Scotland). Scotland’s media environment is dysfunctional and anti-democratic.

      * at least I didn’t start with “so”. 🙂

    289. CameronB Brodie says:

      And just in case you thought I’d completely lost it by suggesting English culture is afflicted by structural racism. Why single out England? Scotland didn’t vote to protect the integrity of British/English culture, we voted to remain in the EU. We didn’t fall for the jingoistic and xenophobic campaign. Scotland’s vote wasn’t based on “blood-and-soil” nationalism, as England’s was, it was rational* and pragmatic, IMHO. This suggests an ethical component to the nation’s deliberation that was lacking in England’s.

      Westminster in afflicted with institutional racism (see Brexit).

      * as rational as possible given the circumstances.

      British Racism: why can’t we shift Structural & Institutional Racism?

      A mistrust of something you do not understand, fear of the unknown, feeling threatened by something different to your idea of normality or fear for your security or lifestyle. That’s all racism is, right? Why then in a world where so much information is available at our fingertips, where people can travel more easily than at any point in history, and connecting with others is at the touch of a button thanks to the advances in technology, do things seem to have gotten worse in Britain in terms of tolerance and hate crimes towards others of different races and religions, and where does it all stem from?

      Shining a spotlight on structural racism in Britain today

      UN human rights experts scrutinise UK over ‘structural racism’

      Why is the Special Rapporteur on racism currently in the UK?

      By coincidence, one of these five experts, E. Tendayi Achiume, Special Rapporteur on racism, is visiting the UK from 30 April to 11 May. This is a routine visit and had been scheduled in 2017, with the dates agreed in January 2018. The British Government has an open invitation to all UN Special Rapporteurs and will usually receive one or two such visits a year. On this occasion the Special Rapporteur has indicated that she is particularly keen to observe “structural forms of discrimination and exclusion that may have been exacerbated by Brexit.” Police figures show a surge in hate crimes involving racial and religious discrimination rate following the June 2016 referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU.

    290. Tinto Chiel says:

      Way ahead of his time and a man of great talent and guts. The clip compiler worked really hard on this one:

    291. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. the institutional racism that afflicts Westminster. This shapes Westminster’s political disposition towards Scotland and undermines the life potential of those living in Scotland. England’s structural racism must not be allowed to determine Scotland’s future.

      Implicit racial bias and the anatomy of institutional racism

      Jules Holroyd discusses recent psychological findings and how better to understand the practice within institutional settings

      The claim that policing practice in the UK is institutionally racist was widely accepted after the Macpherson Report at the end of last century. The report included the idea that there may be widespread ‘unwitting prejudice’ that lead to racially discriminatory practice. The recent findings of empirical psychology, about implicit racial biases, provide a framework for better understanding this part of institutional racism. Understanding the workings of implicit racial bias helps us to see the implications for the kinds of steps needed to combat racial discrimination in policing and in the criminal justice system more broadly.

      UN human rights experts says deaths in custody reinforce concerns about ‘structural racism’ in UK

      The impact of racism on mental health

    292. Ian Brotherhood says:

      This is the kind of music I feel we should play in Dows on March, at the outset anyway, to put guests at their ease.

      Whatcha think?

      Lonnie Smith, ‘It’s Changed’ –

    293. CameronB Brodie says:

      Still not convinced English culture and Westminster are afflicted by structural and institutional racism.

      Although this report appears to support the suggestion that British racism is generated by our political and media ‘elite’, please note that it also appears to consider England as representing Britain.

      From an anthropological perspective, discriminatory restrictions on the freedom of movement is ethically immoral. Scotland and England’s needs are polar opposites. Scotland needs more immigration.

      Beyond the Westminster Bubble: What people really think about immigration

      Open Europe combined a 4,000 person ICM poll across Great Britain with a series of focus groups in England conducted by Public First in the North East, North West, East Midlands, and West Midlands. Our results showed that the public want to see immigration controlled but that most people recognised both positive as well as negative aspects of immigration. The public also understood that migration both alleviates certain public policy issues and exacerbates them, and articulated that public policy issues have broader causes than just immigration.

      The resistible rise of Islamophobia: Anti-Muslim racism in the UK and Australia before 11 September 2001

      A Multilevel Analysis of the Relationship Between Institutional and Individual Racial Discrimination and Health Status

    294. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Ian Brotherhood @ 21:42,

      I’m not too fussed about what kind of music, TBH, but rather about the level. Personally I would prefer to have a confab with a bunch of folks, and find with typical ceilidhs and suchlike that the music is usually so loud that it strongly mitigates against.

      Oh, and while I’m on the subject – just to have a better handle on what to bring, will there be any facility (eg. microwave) for warming anything, or is it strictly cold buffet…?

    295. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @RJS –

      I was only joshing about the music – stumbled across that and it just seems implausibly smooth for what we’re doing, but soothing somehow…perhaps for the same reason that some taxi-drivers sprinkle very small amounts of baby-powder in the back before doing a night-shift – calms the punters!

      On the food front – we’re playing safe by asking folk to bring cold stuff. As the night progresses I’m sure we could persuade staff to give us access to a microwave, but I can’t promise that. Will endeavour to find out and report back here.

      Have a braw weekend there sah!


    296. CameronB Brodie says:

      Last on the subject tonight.

      It is imperative that the Scottish public appreciate British politics is shaped by structural and institutional racism. Remember, attitude such as ‘no Pakies, no dogs and no Irish” were common-place in the early 1970s. Little has changed apart from these attitudes are no longer expressed openly. They are hidden from view but no less toxic.

      Westminster treats the residents of Scotland as if we are second-class citizens, unworthy of political respect or inalienable human rights. It is the British way, as the legacy of Cecil Rhodes and the Milner Group continues to pollute British politics to this day.

      Theorising and Exposing Institutional Racism in Britain: The Contribution of Ann and Michael Dummett to Critical Philosophy of Race


      By helping to introduce the relatively new concept of institutional racism into Britain, Sir Michael and Ann Dummett expanded the concept of racism beyond the limited sense it had been given in the 1940s and 1950s when racism tended to be associated with the scientific concept of race and when the focus tended to fall on the intent to harm or speak harm of a group that was identified as a race by science. They recognised that ‘race’ was primarily a political and not a scientific concept. This led them in a different direction from that taken by the next generation of mainstream philosophers working in this area, such as Kwame Anthony Appiah, who adopted the UNESCO approach of highlighting the scientific deficiencies of the concept of race.

      However, although they both succeeded in developing ways to break through the forms of self?deception that allow institutional racism to go unnoticed and at the same time offered instructive insights into the ways politicians hide behind the racism of others, I argue that they failed to see, as clearly as Sartre and Fanon did, that the conception of institutional racism necessitates a structural changes in society beyond anything they contemplated.

      Race, class and Brexit: how did we get here?

      Racism, Identity Politics and the Hidden Curriculum

    297. CameronB Brodie says:

      ….Little has changed apart from these attitudes are no longer expressed openly. They are hidden from view but no less toxic. Brexit has fundamentally re-shaped this practice though, by emboldening open and increasingly hostile racism in England.

    298. Hackalumpoff says:

      @ Ian Brotherhood,
      May I propose an evening of Cactus’ Haiku recitals, unless he is on night Shift?

    299. William Wallace says:

      Was hoping to get out yesterday but my bowel has gone to sleep. Nothing ever goes smoothly does it? Hoping for some movement this morning as I don’t fancy the weekend in here followed by more invasive treatment on Monday. Really thought I was recovering very well until this. I find it very hard to get enough rest here too with all the checks etc. Really need to be at home.

    300. William Wallace says:

      Managed to start pumping a tiny bit. It’s more than a wee bit weird to be sitting here hoping to actually shite mahsel.

      Check the nick o me 🙂

      Down but not out.

    301. CameronB Brodie says:

      I see the BBC in Scotland has retreated into a state of colonial exceptionalism. This is to be expected as the BBC is afflicted by institutional racism. This undermines the health of Scotland’s resident population.

      UN rights expert hails UK for anti-racism action but raises serious concerns over Immigration Policy, Prevent programme and Brexit

      GENEVA / LONDON (11 May 2018) – The UN Special Rapporteur on racism, E. Tendayi Achiume, has commended the UK Government for its policies aimed at preventing racism, but is urging further action to end discrimination, raising concerns over the Government’s immigration law and policy, its anti-terrorism Prevent programme, and Brexit-era hate crimes and immigration consequences.

      She also pointed to concerns over widespread discrimination faced by ethnic minorities….

    302. Tinto Chiel says:

      Hi, William.

      You’re looking a lot better than me this morning, actually 😛

      Hope this gets you up and out the ward more quickly:

    303. CameronB Brodie says:

      @Citizen Tammy #763
      I support the SNP. Are you suggesting I’m uneducated? Away and reflect on that, or forever remain a bigot.

    304. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. the LibDem conference. LibDems supporting racialist authoritarianism. Now do you believe that “care in the community” has failed. These folk are simply Tory-wets who lack the political integrity to declare themselves Tories.

    305. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @WW –

      More power to ye mister.


    306. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. the social ethics of Brexit. Remember, Tories don’t do social ethics, it’s not in their nature. They prefer protecting inherited privilege instead.

      After Brexit? The Referendum and Its Discontents

      Editor’s note: It is difficult to overestimate the gravity of Britain’s decision to leave the European Union. I’ve invited a number of exceptionally perceptive theologians, philosophers and political theorists to reflect on the meaning of the referendum, whether it is morally binding or democratically legitimate, and what it means for the future.

      For months, Britain has been in the throes of a debate over whether or not to leave the European Union. To my mind, this had the potential of being one of the most morally consequent public deliberations we’ve seen in many years, precisely because it goes right to the heart of the nature of political identity, the basis of political agency and the extent of transnational obligation….

      Brexit: lessons from the law

      Assessing the impact of Brexit on sustainability

    307. CameronB Brodie says:

      @Brian Wilson
      Here’s your “sterile nationalism”, tube, right-wing populism and Brexit.

      After Brexit? The Referendum and Its Discontents

      ….The sheer heat of these inconsistent assemblages – the passion and, indeed, the nationalist mythos they can channel – makes them brutally effective in burning away some unwanted structure. But, as Aristotle recognised with respect to anger, this kind of anti-political populism is also sterile – it is politically non-generative because it cannot be organized and oriented toward some good in common. (Rosanvallon puts this succinctly: “It is easier to get rid of a vexatious tax than to pursue ‘fiscal justice’.”)

      The sterility of the grubby nativism that was shamelessly deployed in the final week of the campaign illustrates this perfectly: it may well have mobilized certain quarters to shore themselves up against the coming hoards of immigrants, but it also alienated many of the more imaginative, generous early supporters of the ‘Leave’ campaign – supporters like Baroness Sayeeda Warsi.

    308. CameronB Brodie says:

      @Brian Wilson
      Is this what you support, because this is the direction your British nationalism is dragging Scotland? Against our democratic will! Are you a democratic socialist or are you a racist fascist?

      ‘Rapefugees Not Welcome’
      Ideological Articulations of Media Discourses on Migrants and Refugees in Europe: New Racism and Othering – A Critical Discourse Analysis

      This research discusses the ideological properties of the discourses employed by the media to portray migrants and refugees in Europe. For that, it will combine an ideological approach to discursive practices with a study of the role of media in the discursive reproduction of racism and othering. Ergo, this research will feature a multidisciplinary framework of analysis as follows (a) a study of the triangulation between ideology and discourse with an analytical approach to theory of articulation (Hall, 1985) to highlight the links between both notions (b) a socio-cultural approach to ideologies of racism and othering as well as other social representations (Said, 1979; Mohanty, 1984) (c) Appropriating the concept of ‘Elite Racism’ (Van Dijk, 1993) to study the structural role of media in the reproduction of racism as a form of ethnic dominance and inequality, and (d) a critical discourse analysis (Fairclough 1995) of media texts portraying migrants and refugees in Europe.

      The analysis will look at a number of media texts from British newspapers to study the ideological influence on the discourses used to portray migrants and refugees in the wake of Cologne Sexual assaults that took place on New Year’s Eve of 2016. The results will elaborate on the extent to which these discursive practices are rooted in ideological notions of racism and othering.

    309. William Wallace says:


    310. Cactus says:

      Sunday anna mighty fine welcome back to ye William Wallace ~

      ayeAye an awe ra best bro, feels good 🙂


    311. hackalumpoff says:

      @ William Wallace
      Good to see you’re on the mend.

    312. Cactus says:

      Evenin’ anna howde do hackalumpoff ~

      Ah had tae look the Haiku up.

      That was yummy.

    313. Liz g says:

      William Wallace
      Great news William…
      Now you be behaving yer self so that ye make it tae the night oot 🙂

    314. CameronB Brodie says:

      @ William Wallace
      Mend well and catch you in Glasgow.

      One for the Tbot.

      Roky Erickson & The Aliens – I Walked With A Zombie

    315. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Can anybody explain to me that Scotland leaving the UK and having a border with England is a bad thing but England leaving the EU and and having a border with 27 other countries is a good thing.

    316. Ian Foulds says:

      Apparently transgender men do not want to compete in the sport environment with men but rather compete with women. Why is there no transgender category in sport?

    317. Ian Foulds says:

      Very belated apologies Tinto Chiel!!!

      Tinto Chiel says:
      21 January, 2019 at 6:59 pm
      Hi, Ian.

      How weird: someone has changed the counterchanged St Patrick’s cross (a red saltire) on the Union Flag into a blue one.

      If that’s what Sky do to the flag, I don’t think I would trust its explanation of the backstop.

    318. CameronB Brodie says:

      @Duncan Hothersall
      Stop trying to con folk you’re an intellectual with a deep understanding of society, your an ignorant British nationalist. The identitarian commitment you espouse threatens Scotland’s public health and social sustainability. You are on the same side as Tory xenophobes you twat.

      A Self-Determination Theory account of Self-Authorship: Implications for Law and Public Policy

      Self-authorship has been established as the basis of an influential liberal principle of legislation and public policy. Being the author of one’s own life is a significant component of one’s own well-being, and therefore, is better understood from the viewpoint of the person whose life it is.
      However, most philosophical accounts, including Raz’s conception of self-authorship, rely on general and abstract principles rather than specific individual psychological properties of the person whose life it is.

      We elaborate on the principles of self-authorship on the basis of Self-Determination Theory, an empirically-based psychological theory that has been at the forefront of the study of autonomy and self-authorship for more than 45 years. Our account transcends distinctions between positive
      and negative freedom and attempts to pinpoint the exact properties of selfauthorship within the psychological processes of intrinsic motivation and internalization.

      If a primary objective of public policy is to support selfauthorship, then it should be devised on the basis of how intrinsic motivation and internalization can be properly supported. Self-Determination Theory identifies three basic psychological needs: autonomy, competence and relatedness. The satisfaction of these needs is associated with the support and growth of intrinsic tendencies and the advancement of well-being.

      Through this analysis, we can properly evaluate the significance of rationality, basic goods and the availability of options to self-authorship. Implications for law and policy are discussed with an emphasis on legal paternalism and what many theorists call “liberal perfectionism”, that is, the non-coercive support and promotion of the good life.

      Keywords: self-determination theory; self-authorship; autonomy; well-being; liberalism; paternalism; perfectionism

    319. CameronB Brodie says:

      Here’s one to celebrate the Secretary of State for Scotland’s servile role in supporting xenophobic English nationalism. He certainly appears to know his place.

      Parov Stelar – Chambermaid Swing (Doc-Terry’s Video Club Mix)

    320. CameronB Brodie says:

      @Duncan Hothersall
      Please just step out the debate as you simply don’t have a clue. Your rigid, identitarian, British nationalist ideology is a threat to vulnerable lives.

      The Status of the “Biopsychosocial” Model in Health Psychology: Towards an Integrated Approach and a Critique of Cultural Conceptions


      The current status of the “Biopsychosocial” Model in health psychology is contested and arguably exists in a stage of infancy. Despite original goals, medical researchers have developed theoretical and empirical integrations across bio-psycho-social domains only to a limited extent. This review article addresses this issue by making connections across research findings in health psychology and related medical fields in order to strengthen the associations across bio-psycho-social domains.

      In particular, research in sociosomatics, neuroplasticity and psychosocial genomics are introduced and explored. The role of “culture” as conceived of within the Biopsychosocial Model is also ambiguous and somewhat problematic. Arthur Klienman’s conceptions of culture as what is at stake for individuals in their local social and moral worlds is adopted to offer a critique of previous perspectives of culture and question its role amidst bio-psycho-social domains. Overall, a multilevel integrative or “holistic” perspective is advanced to strengthen the Biopsychosocial Model for use within health psychology and biomedical research. In the end, some clinical implications are discussed.

      Introducing the Biopsychosocial Model for good medicine and good doctors

      Biopsychosocial Contributions to Cognitive Performance

    321. CameronB Brodie says:

      @Duncan Hothersall
      Your intellectually bankrupt argument is helping the cause of white supremacists.

      English Nationalism and Brexit

      English Nationalism

      Examining Brexit in light of contemporary English nationalism requires an understanding of English nationalism itself. Since devolution in the late 1990s politicians, commentators and academics questioned the very existence of ‘English nationalism’. Englishness was perceived as an ‘absence’.[1] But this was an a-historical understanding of English nationalism that rested on a narrow understanding of nationalism as principally a secessionist phenomenon. In this conceptualisation, England was expected to look and behave like Scotland.

      But English nationalism was never historically about secessionism or even unification. In its formative years in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, ‘English nationalists’ concerned themselves with legitimising the operation of British sovereignty, within the United Kingdom and throughout the Empire. This contributed to its blurred boundaries, making Englishness and Britishness harder to distinguish than for other nationalities in the UK and throughout the Empire.[2]

      Nationalism, racism, and identity: what connects Englishness to a preference for hard Brexit?

      How white nationalism became trendy—and so even more dangerous

    322. Tinto Chiel says:

      Hi, Ian.

      I’d forgotten about that!

      As you say, MurdochVision is about as reliable as a David Mundell press release.

    323. David says:

      Hello Tinto, missed your last q, so apologies for my late reply. Whurraumi the noo, you ask.
      Loose lips sink ships, I enigmatically reply, but rest assured that I’ve been busy glueing sequins on my Carnaval ‘fantasia’/costume. Know wot I mean squire, a nod’s as good as a wink to a blind horse. 😉

    324. Tinto Chiel says:

      @David: any foaties? 😀

      “The geese are flying high tonight below the horned moon.”

      “Uncle Jean has changed his socks.”


    325. David says:

      (“Scotland the Brave” by the Isle of Cumbrae Pipe Band as they march out of Braemar, Scotland)

      (Parade by samba school ‘Mangueira’ at 2013 Rio de Janeiro Carnaval)

      BRALAND!! err SCOTZIL!!
      (Band ‘Brazilian Piper’ from Sao Gonçalo, Rio de Janeiro state)

      No wonder I’m confused. 😉

      P.S. Hey Tinto did you see me, I’m in the 7th row, 14th ‘pandeirista’ from the left…

    326. Tinto Chiel says:

      Excellent pipe band and great to see a saltire flying in Braemar, David.

      Some crowds at the Mangueira- even more than at St Mirren!

      You were the guy in the kilt, eh? 😛

      Special Appeal to all savants on here: my laptop died w/o warning just before Christmas and I lost all my favourites. Can anyone remember a mad techno-type music video posted on here with “Ya bugger!” and suggestive “Oo la la!” interjections.

      Principal suspects: Cameron BB or Michael McCabe. You know who you are…

      And oblige TC.

    327. CameronB Brodie says:

      Tinto Chiel
      Sorry but I don’t think I’m guilty this time. Not unless the track you’re thinking of had a load of elderly gents dancing to techno. I’ve had a look for it but can’t find it again.

    328. CameronB Brodie says:

      How’s about a little re-imagining of an old classic instead.

      Joachim Horsley – Rumba Prelude (Bach in a Rumba & New Orleans Style)–tEWER9g

    329. CameronB Brodie says:

      I think this is quite appropriate to Scotland’s circumstances. 🙁

      Joachim Horsley – Psycho Theme on Piano with Knives

    330. Tinto Chiel says:

      Thanks, Cameron. It was probably Michael then.

      Yon Mr Horsely is a talented man and I see he has a good few things on YT.

      Hope that Steinway was insured.

    331. CameronB Brodie says:

      That’s me sorted for accommodation in Glasgow Central Travelodge. There are plenty of rooms available at £46/night, in case anyone else still needs a room.

    332. CameronB Brodie says:

      Re. BLiS___d and Tricky Dicky’s rigid British nationalism. The early Fabians viewed socialism as a means of spreading British nationalism. This was a blood-and-soil response to Britain’s waning imperial power. He is simply carrying on in line with British Labour’s traditional values. He’s a British/English nationalist and no Scottish patriot.

      The problem of “English socialism”

      There have been many calls over the last few weeks and months for Labour to rediscover patriotism and embrace the idea of a distinctively English – or possibly British – version of socialism, consistent with national identity. This is of course bound up with debates about Blue Labour and the Brexit referendum.

      However there are good reasons for being sceptical about this approach, and for looking instead to a combination of localism, regionalism, and internationalism as being more in tune with left values and the needs of our times, which are obviously very different from those at the peak of Labour patriotism in the 1940s….

      Popular Radicalism and the Socialist Revival in Britain

      “Anti-Socialism in British Politics c. 1900-22: the Emergence of a Counter-Ideology.”

    333. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi CameronB Brodie.

      Knives in keyboards, iye? I saw Keith do this in the Caird Hall. The volume’s a bit low but it’s a rare “IN COLOUR!” video of the band as a quartet, before the lead guitarist was made redundant. Davy O’List was his name. I’ve always wondered if he was any relation to the musician called O’List, who is mentioned in Spike Milligan’s series of wartime autobiographies.


    334. CameronB Brodie says:

      Brian Doonthetoon
      I do like the Hammond organ sound and a bit of experimentation Brian.

      These guy might have a problem getting into America nowadays, being Mexican.

      Question Mark & The Mysterians – 96 Tears

    335. Dan says:

      A Burnistoun clip for posterity to mark the contributions made by a certain new arrival…

      For Real!

    336. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi CameronB Brodie.

      Organ… That’s me too.

      I think I’ve linked to this song before. Played almost daily on “Radio 1 Club” during May and June 1969. Never a hit but the single changes hands for £40+ because Greg Lake was in the band.

      I think he sings lead on the A side – the vocal inflections are very similar to his vocals on ELP’s first album, particularly “Lucky Man”. It’s confirmed that he did sing on the B side.

      Onnyhoo, I can play this organ run on my own keyboard…

      Here’s the B side…

      And I’ll finish up with “Lucky Man”, for comparison.

    337. CameronB Brodie says:

      The problem Scotland faces is that British nationalism is an expression of “modernist” thought that has been welded to a “traditionalist” culture (see the medievalist nature of the British Establishment and their traditional customs). This is the way of thinking that underpinned colonial imperialism and was thought to have ended when we entered the atomic era. British nationalism is intrinsically outdated for the post-modern world and is incapable of acknowledging the uniqueness and value of Scotland’s cultural.

      British nationalism is bad for the health of Scotland.

      British Romanticism and colonial modernity in India, 1780-1840

      Modernism and Colonialism: British and Irish Literature, 1899–1939

      The End of Colonialism? The Colonial Modern in the Making of Global Modernity

      Nina Simone – How it feels to be free

    338. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. the racist apartheid state of Israel. This is the state British nationalist support instead of a Scottish state. Political Zionism has deep roots in Britain’s Establishment.

      Britain in Palestine, 1838-1882: The Roots of the Balfour Policy

      The Road to Balfour: The History of Christian Zionism

      Towards The Achievement of National Identity: The Role of British Jewry in the Creation of the State of Israel

      British Zionism, Jews and Gaza

    339. CameronB Brodie says:

      P.S. The Balfour Declaration was drafted by Alfred Milner, 1st Viscount Milner, prodigy of Cecil Rohdes, administrator of British concentration camps in South Africa, and prominent Fabian socialist. Or was he?

    340. William Wallace says:

      Really doubt I am going to make the meet now folks. I am in a worse state now than when all this began. Something is up with the bowels. I think I might be visiting hospital again in the next few hours if this keeps up.

      I’d cry but I don’t think I have any fluids left. 🙂

    341. Liz g says:

      Aw William
      I’m so sorry to hear that!!
      You are really having a time of it..
      There will be other meet ups,and while I’m disappointed that I won’t get to meet you…
      We’d all rather you look after yourself…
      Take care William and give my best to your family…
      I’ll keep you and yours in my thoughts and never forget…
      When you feel like a talk or mair tae the point a moan,about how bloody unfair this is… we’re all right here xxxx

    342. cearc says:

      Cammy, 6.20, Snap! See y’there.

      WW, sorry to hear that. I’m just hoping that I don’t have to go in before next week as scheduled.

    343. CameronB Brodie says:

      William Wallace
      Sorry to hear that William. Hope you get well soon.

      See y’there. 😉

    344. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. the cult of trans-activism. Public policy needs to be based on scientific evidence in order to escape the charge of being illiberal. Trans-activism seeks to deny biological science and resists all public scrutiny. The trans-activist movement is a totalitarian cult, so must be resisted as threat to open, democratic society.

      Gender Totalitarianism

      Politics of the Visible

      Twitter, Trans Rights Totalitarianism, and the Erasure of Sex.

    345. CameronB Brodie says:

      Why are the Tories implementing policy based on ideology from the New Left?

      Echoes of Fascism in Contemporary Culture, Politics and Society

      How Fascism Pushed Women out of the Frame

      Fascist and conservative views on gender

    346. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. England’s Eurosceptic pseudo-religion.

      Gender Ideology, religious fundamentalism and the electoral campaign (2017-2018) in Costa Rica

      ….The perception that certain ideals of Modernity have empowered projects of domination, threatening the survival of many cultures, is not at all exaggerated or unjustified, as the history of the last five centuries shows. Today we also find communities built around religious beliefs and clinging to conservative ideas, values, customs and traditions that offer a sense of certainty and security, in a world where the social fabric has been gradually frayed in the name of “progress”, “development” and “modernization”.

      These communities offer comfort to thousands of people who feel left out by the hegemonic political and economic system. Yet, in this process of becoming part of a conservative religious community, they end up reinforcing the construction of identities and institutions currently being contested by marginalized social movements, such as nationality, masculinity, whiteness and heterosexuality….

      Brexit appealed to white working-class men who feel society no longer values them

      Women, equality and the UK’s EU referendum: locating the gender politics of Brexit in relation to the neoliberalising state

    347. CameronB Brodie says:

      The “radical” indy left appear to be victims of ideological puritanism. As such, they are playing in to the hands of far-right English nationalism.

    348. William Wallace says:

      @ LizG

      Thank you for your kind words, they are a real source of comfort. You come across as such a lovely person who always has kind word for folk and I was really looking forward to meeting you.

      I think I’d set the meetup in my mind as my recovery goal/reward and I was so looking forward to meeting those of you that I have not yet met (as well as those I have). Not to mention actually having a great night oot with such a diverse group of fellow Indy travellers (something I rarely get a chance to do these days).

      Love and kindest regards to you and yours. I’m sure I’ll meet you at one of the upcoming marches anyway as I will not be missing any of them even if I’ve to crawl on my hands and knees.

      Thank you

      Fingers crossed and I hope everything goes smoothly for you. Is it a complicated procedure you are going in for?


      Thank you for your kind words. I hope we finally get the chance to meet at one of the upcoming marches.

      Just to update: Today has gone better and I have managed to get up on my feet and get walking for the first time. Went for a wee stroll around the local park. Onwards and upwards 🙂

    349. CameronB Brodie says:

      One for Duncy, who appears desperate to escape the bounds of empirical reality.

      P.S. Cartman rocks. 🙂

      The Stomachmouths – Don’t mess with my mind–F8

    350. Tinto Chiel says:

      It’s flag-raising day in Finland.

      Ya hay!

    351. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @William Wallace –

      When you’re back in full working order gie’s a shout – we could have a mini-gathering at a time and place of your choosing.


    352. CameronB Brodie says:

      Here’s a we number to contemplate whilst waiting for the new state of Brexitania to be created. Brexit will cost vulnerable lives. Simples.

      Squirrel Nut Zippers – Hell

    353. CameronB Brodie says:

      Time for a bit of Political Theory?

      English socialism

    354. Tinto Chiel says:

      Thanks, Cameron B. Truly, entertainment for all the family.

      Reminds me of a “Round the Horne” Charles and Fiona sub-Brief Encounter sketch, after which the bold Kenneth said, “Ah, they knew how to make films in those days. They just didn’t bother.”

    355. William Wallace says:

      @ Ian

      I have a great idea for such a lovely suggestion. Gretna. As close to Smallaxes as possible so he can join us too. 🙂

    356. CameronB Brodie says:

      William Wallace
      Good call, I’ve never been to Gretna.

    357. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @WW –

      Good shout.

      Let’s do it then.

      Mibbe give us a few weeks to replenish the piggy-banks though!


    358. CameronB Brodie says:

      One for the Tbot.

      RIP Peter Tork.

      The Monkees – Steppin’ Stone

    359. Liz g says:

      William Wallace
      Fantastic idea I’m in 🙂

    360. cearc says:

      The wee hoos nearby that Thepnr rented last time we went down there had quite a lot of space.

    361. Nana says:

      @Ian Brotherhood & Ronnie

      Sorry I can’t make it along to the wingding but I am sending two raffle prizes, one is a signed artwork which Hackalumpoff will sell tickets for.
      I would like the proceeds for that prize to go to Lindsey Bruce ayemail.

      Hope you all have a great night, Slainte!

    362. CameronB Brodie says:

      Sorry for taking up so much space Rev., it’s just that this is my last day of easy internet access, in the short-term, and I want to raise the awareness of the threat British nationalism poses to Scotland’s public health.

      Human Agency and Mental Illness


      How might critical realism provide a better metatheoretical framework to understand the complex causality behind experiences of mental illness? How do we understand the agency of people suffering from mental illness? Prior work on critical realism and disability has argued that critical realism helps move past one or another form of reductionist explanations for illness, whether that is biological, environmental or psychological.

      But using a critical realist framework to study mental illness also raises issues about the agency of people whose rational capacities are thought to be diminished. In this article, I present the life history of one of 26 young adults I interviewed as part of a project on resilience. Because interviews reveal the complex causal forces in any person’s life, they remind us that scientific explanations should not be reductionistic.

      Human agency can be diminished by biological illness, power structures in psychiatry, and cultural categories of mental illness diagnoses. But a critical realist framework allows me to explore how people who experience mental illness still exercise their capacity to reflect on the moral ends to which to direct their actions.

      KEYWORDS: complex causality, human agency, mental illness

      Biopsychosocial Model

      Human Agency in Social Cognitive Theory

    363. CameronB Brodie says:

      Last on the subject today.

      Toward a Psychology of Human Agency

      ….In his talk, “The Psychology of Human Agency,” APS Fellow and Charter Member Bandura argued that humans “act on the environment; they create, uphold, transform, and even destroy their environment” in a “socially-embedded interplay between personal agency, and environmental influences.” In this view, humans are self-organizing, proactive, self-regulating, and self-reflecting. “They are producers of their life circumstances not just products of them.”

    364. CameronB Brodie says:

      @Fabian Society
      You lot introduced Critical Theory to British academia, yet your actions suggest you’re every bit the blood-and-soil nationalist Tories are. What gives?

      The Coasters – Run Red Run

    365. CameronB Brodie says:

      Here’s one for Chela Sandoval.

      Chicano Batman: Tiny Desk Concert

      Methodology of the Oppressed

    366. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Argyll Independet Radio back on air again. On from 7 but a great collection of Rock and Roll from 8

    367. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Nana –

      Bummer you can’t make it. Hope you’re okay.

      Thanks for the donation, I’m sure it’ll go down well and raise a few quid.

      Next time!


    368. Tinto Chiel says:

      Just finished re-reading John Broom’s “John Maclean” (1973) and thought these closing words were still relevant:

      “Most of the evils against which Maclean fought so valiantly are still with us. Our land remains class-ridden as a glance at the ludicrous society columns of any Tory newspaper will reveal. Dustmen, bankers and lairds are as far apart socially, if not perhaps economically, as in Maclean’s day. Control over the minds and bodies of the people remains in the hands of a small minority, whether they be TV magnates, press Lords, financiers or directors of the so-called nationalised industries. Adulation of royalty is even more nauseating than it was forty years ago, and any expression of republicanism via the mass media of communication is rigidly censored. Our penal system is still in may respects barbaric and more of our custodians of the law indulge in clandestine beatings up than is commonly imagined.”

      John Maclean, 1879-1923: a man for all seasons.

    369. CameronB Brodie says:

      One for Lenny.

      Michael Prophet – Gunman

    370. cearc says:

      Bugger, just realised that I left the eggs at home. All packed up in a basket on the dining room table.

      Sorry, my mind was more tuned to what I needed to take for hospital than what i needed to carry on down tomorrow.

      Still, I’ll be there, not that that’s much compensation for the lack of eggs.

    371. CameronB Brodie says:

      The eggs are subordinate material possession, they have value but no AGENCY. You bring more to hamanity’s cause simply by puting your AGENCY into action, so your value is incalculably greater in the grand scheme of things.

      Take care and see y’there. ?

      Sami Yusuf – Forgotten Promises

    372. CameronB Brodie says:

      ? = 😉

    373. Thepnr says:

      @Tinto Chiel

      Sounds like a book I must read.


      We’ll manage without the eggs, just great though that you can make it. All the way from Ullapool yet there are many who won’t travel even a few miles to make it. Shame that but never mind.

      I’m in the mood of a tune. something… well different.

    374. Thepnr says:

      Forget that last link, watch this one instead. Same tune different setting 🙂

    375. cearc says:

      Well conveniently, I actually had to be in Inverness tonight, so halfway there.

      Eggs is nice.

      Cammy, when are you getting to the travellodge. I shall probably be there at 3.00 which is their earliest check-in time and will meander down to the pub shortly thereafter.

    376. CameronB Brodie says:

      Sorry mate, just couldn’t stop myself. 🙂

      The Imperial Lament

    377. Thepnr says:

      @CameronB Brodie

      Hahaha that was brilliant, I can just imagine all the Wingers doing this in between posts 🙂 Nice one Mr B

    378. CameronB Brodie says:

      I don’t know if there’s much setting-up needing to be done, but I’d like to help if necessary. So I was planning on getting to Glasgow as close to noon as possible. Otherwise, it’s a date. 😉

    379. CameronB Brodie says:

      I’m still laughing. 😉

    380. Cactus says:

      See ye awe ra morra awe ye groovy cools.

      Did anybuddy see the pre-sketch for laters CC toon?

      The pussy cat knows…

      Glasgow ’19.

    381. Cactus says:

      Make that today NOW.

      That was a close ONE.

      Wings Over Dows ’19

      iScotland ’19

      Yes ’19

    382. Thepnr says:


      Don’t forget to bring the guitar tomorrow, I’m wanting some tunes.

    383. Cactus says:

      Mornin’ Thepnr, aye Dixie is hoping to make it along with the guitar later on.

      Look forward to seein’ ye dude.

      Party time!

    384. Cactus says:

      Here’s one tae get yer bloods pumpin’:

      Oh those movie stars!

      HOLD the NOW.

    385. CameronB Brodie says:

      “Setting-up”? It’s a pub, there’s a raffle, a blether and perhaps a boogie. I’m aiming to arrive nearer 3pm book-in.

      Willie Dixon – I got my mojo workin’

    386. Cactus says:

      Mornin’ Cameron and howde.

      Aye Willie got it a goin’ on.

      Cheers ye at 1500 bro 😉

    387. Cactus says:

      When our independence day arrives, it’s gonna be fucking massive!

    388. Cactus says:

      We hereby extend a hearty hand and handshake and an open invite to the Peoples of Scotland and beyond… ye be welcome to come and join us at Wings Over Dows Bar ra day.

      Be U black, white, purple, brown, grey, colour no matter, you’re OK.

      This is yer last chance to party b4 brexit ’19 folks.

    389. CameronB Brodie says:

      One to say good night on. Let it not be said I’m unjust in my treatment of Westminster. So here’s one for the ‘Mother of Parliaments’.

      Michael Prophet – You Are No Good / Scientist – Dance Of The Vampires

    390. Cactus says:

      You got the groovy cool dude beat camb 🙂

      Dedication to main thread:

      Boogie 02.03.19.

    391. Marie Clark says:

      To all the wingers going to Dow’s Bar today, have a great one. Sorry that I can’t be there to meet some of you. I see Gretna is a mibbies for a get the gither, so mibbies get to that one. Cheers.

      Anybody know how oor ain Smallaxe is doing? I fair miss him.

    392. Tinto Chiel says:

      That’s a pity, Marie. Harvey wanted to show you his new aubergine weskit with contrasting chinos.

      I think Smallaxe is taking a complete rest just now. It could be a very busy year for us all.

    393. Marie Clark says:

      Aw Tinto, my apologies to Harvey, I’m sure that’ll he’ll look wonderful in the new outfit. Have a good one anyway.

      Thanks for the info on Smallaxe. Aye we are going to be busy, I just hope that he may be well enough to give us a hand. If not, well. we will just have to do the heavy liftin for him.

    394. Tinto Chiel says:

      Excellent choice!

    395. William Wallace says:

      Wounded that I won’t be able to make it but, I am there with you all in spirit. Hope you all have an amazing night and have one for me.

    396. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @WW & Marie Clark –

      I’m planning to hold fire until later in the day, don’t want to get too hammered, but when I get my first I’ll be raising it to you both and Smallaxe, Sybil, Gerry Parker, Oneironaut, Lenny Hartley, Rodg Caldwell, ‘Cooncilor McVitie’, and all the others, Wingers or not, who would surely be with us if they could.


    397. CameronB Brodie says:

      I’ve been held up and won’t arrive until after 3pm, so don’t hang around for me. I’ll see you at the gig.

      First date in years, as well, damn it. 😉

    398. Macart says:

      Hope everyone has a great time tonight. Wish I could have been there.

      All the very best folks. 🙂

    399. Marie Clark says:

      Ian Brotherhood @ 11.44. Cheers Ian, enjoy yourself, sad not to be there.

    400. CameronB Brodie says:

      I’ve got a little time until my bus so here’s one so that (white) British nationalism doesn’t feel left out.

      Michael Prophet – Love & Unity / Scientist – Your Teeth In My Neck

    401. ronnie anderson says:

      Leaving just now To all those Wingers who cant make the nite out Wherever Yous are hope yous have a good evening We’ll all be thinking of yous .

      All the Bestest .

    402. Cactus says:

      Heading into oor Big City on a ding a ling.

      The bus now has Lovely new leather seats and USB plug in.

      Swanky! 🙂

    403. Top Rope Davey says:

      Hi guys, not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I’d like to say hello and thank you!

      My name is David “Davey” Armitage, and I’m a Yorkshireman who has just moved up to Scotland with his wee Ma from the West Midlands. I fully support Scottish Independence, and met a great deal of the Indy family tonight in Glasgow. I had a whale of a time, and hope to see you all again on the 24th of March in Freedom Square.


    404. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Just want to say what a pleasure it was to meet up face-to-face with a bunch of you, posters and lurkers alike.

      And a big thanks to those of you who put it all together.

      May the next meet-up be sooner, and post-indy into the bargain!

    405. Thepnr says:

      @Robert J. Sutherland

      I’m just sorry I didn’t make it, glad you all had a good time. You’re in the clique now and people will speak about you as you’ve been to a Wings night out LOL.

    406. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Thepnr @ 01:43,

      I’m sure that’s a mixed blessing! =laugh=

      I’m only sorry I didn’t have the chance for a wee chat, but hopefully another time…

    407. Thepnr says:

      @Robert J

      We are assured of a next time and I look forward to having a chat then.

    408. Jock Scot says:

      Just left Linlithgow on the journey home. In very good spirits after last night at Dows. Love being in the company of Wingers, goes without saying of course. Well done to everyone who brought food , I won’t need to eat until Tuesday. Just hoping I can make the next one. All the best to wingers everywhere.

    409. Tinto Chiel says:

      A big thank you to Ian Brotherhood, Ronnie Anderson, Betty Boop, Jock Scot, the Lovely Wee Lady from Dundee and I suspect BDDT (and any other helpers I know not of) for organising the Wingding or Fourth People’s Grand Congress last night.

      Great too to have had such an interesting chat with new-faces-to-me who were just names before: Cameron B Brodie and Breastplate.

    410. hackalumpoff says:

      Great night out Wingers. A massive thanks to Ronnie A for his auctioneering skills in getting a bidding war going for Nana’s handmade Scottish Historical plaque.

      Thanks to the many bidders and the final winners: Quinie Fae Angus and Cameron B Brodie. Ronnie negotiated a truce and the winners agreed to donate their bids to Ayemail.

      I have transferred the £250 to the Ayemail crowdfunder. The plaque will go back to to next wings auction.

      For those wanting bespoke plaques or further details feel free to DM me at twitter @hackalumpof. Apologies, but I can’t post my private email or mobile No on here.

      Nice to chat with Tinto, X-Sticks, Cearc, Ian B, Breastplate, Crazy Cat, Lynne, Michael M & Lynne, Robert Sutherland, Jock Scot (Thanks for the Song), BDTT Ninja Penquin, Steve Davis, Chas Anderson and apologies any I have missed.

    411. cearc says:

      Home, sweet home.

      Good night, last night.

    412. X_Sticks says:

      And breathe!

      That was a really good evening with great company. Just what I was needing. What a wonderful bunch of folk you all are.

      I’ll *need* to make sure I’m at the next one to have another go at Nana’s plaque! Cameron and Quinie – I’ll square up with you next time we get together.

      Hope the unlucky ones that never made it last night manage to get to the next one. You were all missed last night you know!

      Here to you all and to the next Wings social!

    413. Quinie frae Angus says:

      What a braw nicht indeed – so good to get together for a wee social like that. Great to see old faces and new. Dow’s was an excellent venue. The only thing missing was some soap in the toilets and a few paper towels.

      Thanks so much to all of you who helped to pull it all together: Ian B, Jock Scot, Ronnie A, Gillian – and all the generous donors of food and treats.

      Some highlights for me in no particular order:

      Finally meeting the intriguing Mr Sutherland and having a good philosophical chat about the Winger mindset and culture!

      Jock Scot totally coming into his own as PA man and music maestro; compere, DJ, and entertainer. Also a bit of a hero out in the dead of the High Street in the wee sma’ hoors….. 😉

      Cearc speaking joyfully of her rejuvenated rejuvenation.

      Everyone staring excitedly at their reams of raffle tickets with not a lucky one among them, while Ian Brotherhood has only three, and even misses the fact that one of them was a winner!

      Cactus winning a Disney Princess doll in the raffle…and cuddling it lovingly for the rest of the evening. (Even when no-one was looking).

      A handsome long-haired hunk (whose name I do not yet know) winning a prize, coming up to the “stage” to collect it, and Jock Scot handing him the upturned hat from which to pick the next lucky ticket. Hunk looks at hat. Long pause. Jock Scot: “Come on then man, are you pulling it, or no’?
      Hunk: “Eh? I wondered what ye were talking aboot, there!”
      Guffaws all round.

      A stragglesome three Wingers wandering haplessly up and doon Bell Street, lost, bewildered and shut out of every door they tried.

      A certain hirsute gentleman – who shall remain nameless but his name rhymes with “Still Gemme”, making several trips down several floors to keep himsel’ topped up wi’ fags. On each and every occasion, he forgot to take with him the Wings beermat etched carefully with the entry code. On each and every occasion he would phone a fellow Winger for help. Ronnie A’s phone was red hot. Not to mention his ears.

      The hordes of young ravers in the flat opposite – apologising to US for the noise they were making. But none of us heard it for the racket we were making oorsels’!

      Cactus’ late night mission for a kebab. Hell-bent on it, he was, despite the millions of munchies he’d already munched.

      Aye, a fantastic night.

      Those who weren’t there who should have been, were dreadfully missed.

      Roll on, the next one!

    414. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      “Twas a good night last night in Dows – apart from the no hand towels in the bog and the Victorian hand dryer being out of action.

      It was good to see so many who who lurk on the WOS site but actively post elsewhere (Facebook & Twitter).

      RJ Sutherland looked like RJ Sutherland should look!

      Yeah, Dows upstairs could be the WOS clubhoos in that Glasgow.

      Missive ends – wie a tune… An Edinburgh band from the 70s, who I may have linked to in the past.

    415. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Oh Sorry – before the grammar police attack me – “whom I may have linked to in the past.”

      Eh thank yioo.

    416. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Oh Sorry – before the grammar police attack me – further correction – “to whom I may have linked in the past.”

      Eh thank yioo.

    417. Quinie frae Angus says:

      Hey thanks BDDT

      I rememberlistening to that tune years ago when I was a nipper and loved it. Never knew who it was by though and had forgotten all about it till you pulled it out of the ether there.


    418. Nana says:


      Re your comment on the MT, I am sure x-sticks will get another go at bidding as that plaque will be sent along to the next Wings do.

      I just feel bad that Quinie & CamB didn’t get it, but I guess cutting it in half would not have been wise 🙂

    419. X_Sticks says:


      I will hopefully get another go at the plaque! I was outdone by unfair collusion! I hope Hackalumpoff remembered to pass on my love and best wishes xx

    420. Nana says:

      Morning X_Sticks, Hackalumpoff did indeed pass on your best wishes which are duly returned.

      I’m putting the final touches to a rather large one for a local event at the moment. I’m having to wear sunglasses due to the amount of gold leaf 🙂

      Fingers crossed for next attempt at winning the bid xx

    421. Robert J. Sutherland says:

      Brian Doonthetoon @ 07:21,

      Perfect at last! =grin=

      It was pleasant to chat last Sat, by the way, even if all too briefly.

    422. Nod Bruce says:


      “A handsome long-haired hunk” – What a way to drag a lurker onto the ‘stage’!

      Me & my ego will now float up to Aldi for the messages while attempting to conceal a conceited grin…

      Was great to see all the folks whose names I can never remember. Wingers are the best folk to drink with, bar none, but especially when they feed my EGO! xx

    423. Quinie frae Angus says:

      To Nod Bruce

      Ha ha, glad you recognised yourself!! Now I can put a nae to the face, and you can float up to Aldi’s for the messages with all the swishing confidence of a man who cuts a rare dash on a Wingers’ Nicht Oot!

      To Nana:

      I loved that plaque and hope to either commission one from you in the future, or perhaps pick from one of the other two or three that yer man said you still have at home.

    424. Quinie frae Angus says:

      Again to Nod Bruce:

      That was of course a “name” to the face, not a “nae”, as that wid be daft!!

    425. Marie Clark says:

      I see Keith Flint of the Prodigy has died at 49. Sadly it seems to be suicide according to his bandmates. So sad.

      My son used to be a fan of the Prodigy, and he had a great big poster of Keith Flint in all of his Firestarter look in his bedroom. After he moved out, we had our oldest grandaughter to stay over one night, she would be about three at that time, and we had not as yet removed all the posters from the room. The poor wean started howling, she was absolutely terrified of that bloomin poster. Mind you, he would have frightened the life out of you on a dark night.

      Tinto, if you’re about, please don’t let Harvey watch this.

    426. Macart says:

      A plaque for Nana.

      Couldn’t agree more. 🙂

    427. ronnie anderson says:

      Nod Bruce Ah dont massage ego’s or anything else You urnae ah bad chanter , you certainly got them going in the bar hope to see you in the near future .

    428. chasanderson200 says:

      Just arrived home in Glenrothes after an extra day in Glasgow having a long sesh to recover from the Wings sesh. Will need to start detoxing tomorrow after a few pints in the Otters Head tonight. Brilliant to see everybody and be able now to put faces to names.

      Leafleting for Peter Grant all this week so it is going to be a busy one, (sitting in the middle of about 2000 leaflets just now……. an me wi a sair leg tae!!!).

      Looking forward immensely to the next wingding, see you all there.

    429. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi Quinie.

      Pleased you enjoyed it!

      Here’s one from 1979 which also didn’t dent the charts. I think I heard it on John Peel’s show. I possess one of the 2,000 in my vinyl collection.

    430. Nana says:

      @Quinie frae Angus

      DM Hackalumpoff on twitter, he will pass on my email address.

    431. Tinto Chiel says:

      *Tries again*

      Reminds me of a Head teacher I once knew, Marie 😛

      I’ll keep that clip away from Harvey, he’s on pills for his noives (Brexit-related) as it is.

      Sorry to hear of Keith’s sad end. I wonder if The Prodigy ever saw this?

      I second that emulsion, Macart @ 3.24. There’s an excellent plinth at the top of Buchanan Street. I don’t think the Green Girner would be much missed 😀

    432. hackalumpoff says:

      @ Tinto re the Green Girner;
      I’ll bring a rope to the next Wingding..

      I also have Plaster of Paris, for a new hobby, 3D plaques, this time next year Rodders..

    433. Tinto Chiel says:

      @hackalumpoff: eh, can I remind you of your last great idea?

    434. hackalumpoff says:

      @ Tinto: Ok Grandad, thanks for you assistance, ya dancer..

    435. Tinto Chiel says:

      Like to help but I’ve put my back out now 😀

      Time for your Horlicks, surely?

    436. Breastplate says:

      I’ve not had much time recently but would like to now say that the Dow’s night out was excellent and it was great to meet people and marry names to faces.
      Special thanks to Ian for organising it.

    437. Macart says:

      @Tinto Chiel 7.00pm

      No. No, he wouldn’t be missed at all. 😎

    438. Ian Brotherhood says:

      @Breastplate –

      Great to see you again. Thanks for going to so much trouble to join us.

      Any credit should go to Ronnie – he spotted the place and booked it. I didn’t do anything apart from make a list!


    439. Tinto Chiel says:

      @Macart: indeed. Sorry you couldn’t make it to Glasgow on Sats but hope to see you somewhere doing the “Marching Season”.

      I’m trying to follow the Macart/Dionne Warwick Doctrine on here and on-line generally but it’s not easy 😉

      Chowing oan wuid at the mo!

    440. Macart says:

      @Tinto Chiel

      Things ain’t going so well with personal time right now TC. Gutted I couldn’t make Saturday night, but so glad folks had a great time.

    441. Tinto Chiel says:

      Hope things improve for you in the spring. Look after yourself.

      Hackalumpoff’s hoping to corner the post-Brexit market in Cushelle and Wrigley’s spearmint so, as his lowly barrow boy/ “associate”, I can probs cut you a good deal.


    442. Liz g says:

      Ian Brotherhood @ 12.34
      Aw Naw
      No anither Winger wi a list:.)

    443. cearc says:

      Lists? Ian’s lists are good lists!

    444. Marie Clark says:

      Marching season Tinto, aw, haud oan a meenit. Am no gonna need a bowler hat and white gloves shirley? Onyways, I kick ( or was brought up, tae a learned sense) wi the ither fit. Oh, no that kinda marching, thank goodness for that, just my Saltire then.

      Nice to see the wee lassie on Phantom Power from no to yes. I think that there will be plenty more folks who now feel the same.Keep the faith boys and girls, it’s comin yet fur a’ that.

      I’ll leave you wi’ a wee tune. Byeee.

    445. Tinto Chiel says:

      Fear ye not, Marie, I kick with neither foot, like Motherwell FC strikers *absorbs this truth and hides a manly tear*.

      PS: don’t call me Shirley 😛 That’s just a rumour.

      That young woman on the M/T sounded so sensible, I’m at a loss to understand why she was such a No in 2014. I bet Harvey could have turned her with his aubergine weskit.

      The Undertones were great: this is probs my favourite:

      The name Tomkins keeps crossing my mind, for some reason.

    446. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      I’m guessing this hasn’t been featured in ‘off topic’ furra wee whiley…

      Then there was the response…

    447. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Tinto Chiel at 8.14

      She’s from Bellshill and that’s probably the hint.

    448. Tinto Chiel says:

      @DMH: because I was brung up proper 😀 , I’ve never been fully clued up with the sectarian divisions of the Central Belt.

      I admit to be quite confused when canvassing in Burnbank (you’ll know!) in 2017 and meeting a local Scot wearing an England shirt who looked at me in my SNP gear as if I was a dod of keech.

      Your views on Syria have always chimed with me because I know how the BBC has consistently misrepresented its complex situation and I have a (now dead) French relative who saw Syria in the thirties and loved its culture and ancient traditions.

      It made him a communist because he loathed colonialism and a maquisard later because he loathed Vichy France.

      Pebbles in a pond cause all sorts of ripples.

    449. Dave McEwan Hill says:


      I canvassed Burnbank on countless occassions on my own behalf and that of wonderful Winnie. The salt of the earth people with a bit of pepper.

      Before I went off to Nigeria I spent a couple of months managing a fine licensed establishment in Burnbank called the “Golden Feathers”, a veritable citadel of the flute tooters and was known warmly as the the “wee fenian bastard”. (I remember the owner of the establishment – a local builder – telling me he never knew how much the pub was making until I ran it for him!)

      Whenever I came home on leave we would visit the “jaffa club” (the Orange Lodge Social Club on Burnbank Road)to cries of “here’s the wee fenian bastard – what are you drinking?”

      Never been able to come to terms of how such warm people could turn into such utter eejits for the day or for the match.

    450. Tinto Chiel says:

      Quite agree, Dave: my father’s family were from Burnbank and it was usually a fine place to live, with a distinct sense of community. Fortunately, both my parents took folk as they came and had no truck with all that nonsense or with other forms of discrimination. I realise now I was quite fortunate to be brought up in such an environment.

      The “pepper” you encountered is totally baffling and just reinforces the madness of sectarianism. I worked in a town with a high citrus fruit content and also saw how normally kind and friendly people could change at the flick of a switch when the wrong comment was made about football or politics.

      The consolation is it’s my impression such attitudes are diminishing steadily, although the repeal of OBFA might fan the flames again. Behaviour at football matches has deteriorated already. There has also been more racist abuse of players (which had become rare) and I put this down to Brexit and the tabloid hysteria re immigration.

    451. Tinto Chiel says:

      Hi, Cactus, mon vieux haricot.

      Happened to see your 3.08 on the M/T: I’d forgotten I’d put that on a wee while ago but thought it was still topical, despite its being quite old.

      I lost all my favourites when my laptop died without warning and I can’t possibly remember them all now, chiz, chiz.

      Only dipping in and out occasionally of the main threads at the moment: too many self-appointed Keepers of The Flame biffing supposed “dissenters”. Not a good look at all.

      Nice to meet so many old Wingers at the weekend and a few new ones. I hope we’re all going to be very busy soon, out campaigning.

    452. CameronB Brodie says:

      Re. a different country. Contemporary British nationalism is a social pathology that is damaging to both Scottish and English cultures. This is a challenging view to those who’s moral “self” is bound up with the British indentity, to the degree that the individual is submerged in an ocean of Union flags and renditions of “God Save the Queen”.

      Early signs yet but it appears that Scotland’s political intuition is coming into focus.

      Mapping the Connections between Politics and Morality: The Multiple Sociopolitical Orientations Involved in Moral Intuition

      Moral Psychology

      Reasoning Is More Intuitive than We Think
      Is reasoning really different from intuition?

      “COLLUSION”. Nah, I’m a man of singular mind, you never stood a chance. Don’t worry about squaring me up though, mate, we do what we can. I just hope Norie appreciates the golden goose he bides with. That plaque could probably fund indy if its’ serial auction was carefully managed. 😉

      P.S. Back on spud duty, again, I just needed to top up my prescription.

    453. CameronB Brodie says:

      OK, last tonight on the interaction between moral identity and political intuition.

      Intuitive Politics: How Moral Intuitions Shape Political Identities and Behavior


      In this paper, I lay the groundwork for a new understanding of the origins and consequences of individual political predispositions. Borrowing from recent work in moral psychology, I adopt an intuitionist model. The theory suggests that a diverse set of deep moral intuitions – concerns for care, fairness, loyalty, respect, and purity – structure and constrain cognition in important ways.

      When individuals are confronted with political stimuli, flashes of positive or negative affect are causally prior to rational considerations. Because it offers a way to open the “black-box” of political predispositions, this new perspective has the potential to structure an integrated theory of individual attitudes and political behavior.

      I test the claims of the theory with nationally representative survey data collected in 2008. I develop hypotheses that link the intuitions to political orientations and behavior. With estimates of individuals’ moral intuitions derived from a multidimensional item response model, I demonstrate the hypothesized relationships between intuitions and political identification.

      Individual differences in moral intuitions accounts for differences in partisanship, partisan stability and vote choice in primary and general elections. My results show that the intuitionist model has the potential to greatly increase our understanding of how individuals interact with the political world.

      Keywords: moral foundations theory, party identification, vote choice, 2008 elections

    454. CameronB Brodie says:

      In tomorrow’s Brexitania, all art will be suitably retro-looking and tinged with a neurotic sense of individualistic, white British, entitlement. Remember, the culture of today becomes the mind that shapes the culture of the future. So much for a [c]onsevative approach to maintaining robust vigour within society and the economy. Brexit has certainly shown us their is no place in British politics for heretics of England’s Euroskeptic pseudo-religion.

      The earth is cursed by Thatcher’s neo-fascist, zombie mantra, “there is no alternative”.

      Frankie Stein & His Ghouls – Chained

    455. William Wallace says:

      Posted this on the main thread by mistake but, it was intended for off-topic. Really worth a listen. It is spread out over several years between the sessions.

      Akala: Fire in the booth.

      Part 1:

      Part 2:

      Part 3:

      Part 4:

      Absolute lyrical genius.

    456. Welsh Sion says:

      My interest here is purely linguistic, being a professional of that ilk.

      What the £”&*&*$£”! are we to make of this bizarre caption in today’s Hootsmon?

      “Cosmic: First man to set foot on Mars could be a Scottish woman”


      There could also be a joke here about deep-fried Mars bars and the so-called Scottish link to them, but I’ll desist …

    457. crazycat says:

      This is a question for Lenny Hartley – or anyone else who knows the answer:

      How could campaigners in mainland Ayrshire get in touch with any Yes groups/individuals on Arran? We have been trying to link up but attempts on social media have so far not been responded to.

      Some of us may be going to Arran in a couple of weeks.

      (Thanks for any information.)

    458. Lenny Hartley says:

      Crazycat You could send a message to yes scotland arran on fb or message me on facebook,/messenger Collie dug in pic in case there are more than one of me ?
      who have you tried to contact before? I did mention that we should be on the indy app but dnt think anybody has done anything about it yet.

    459. CameronB Brodie says:

      I see there’s am insurgency of Mel Gibson fetishists unsettling what harmony there is in the indy movement. Here’s some Constitutional Legal Theory and stuff, in the hope of focusing on real-world problems, and keeping eyes on the prize, i.e nation state status for Scotland and a written constitution enshrining universal human rights.


      It should be remembered that the Brexit referendum was non-binding in nature and delivered 37% of the eligible vote in favour of hugely significant constitutional change, i.e to leave the EU. The New Right appears to have stolen British democracy through leveraging economic hardship and scientific racism, just like their progenitors did in the past.

      Noncitizen voting and the extraconstitutional construction of the polity


      The core substantive principle of democracy is that those subject to the law should have a voice in its formulation—a principle of consent realized primarily through the mechanism of the vote. Yet the populations of few (if any) nation-states consist solely of formal citizens; migration and transnational practices give rise to populations within states bound by laws over which they have no direct control.

      In this essay, I consider a practice that can help address this potential democracy deficit—alien suffrage. I focus on three jurisdictions that have adopted some form of noncitizen voting in their histories—the United States, New Zealand, and Ireland—and consider how their practices reflect on the processes by which constitutional democracies construct their polities.

      Alien suffrage is not inconsistent with a sense of national identity nor does it necessarily diminish the cultural value of the vote. At the same time, the adoption of the practice may not be part of a robust regime of immigrants’ rights nor is it necessary to promote participation by noncitizens.

      Whether a society adopts alien suffrage, however, does reflect that regime’s particular constitutional values and structures, as well as assumptions about the manner and pace at which the body politic ought to incorporate noncitizens.

      The EU referendum: No legal salve for UK’s disenfranchised non-resident citizens

      The UK is heading towards a frightening constitutional crisis over Brexit

    460. crazycat says:

      @ Lenny

      Thanks – Yes Scotland Arran have been contacted (not by me) and haven’t replied, apparently, though they have posted since the attempted contact.

      I’ve just checked the Indy App and can’t find anything, so it looks as if you are right that no-one did anything!

      I’ll ask the person who is organizing this to contact you – thanks again.

    461. CameronB Brodie says:

      This Dr. Rachel McKinnon is a parody account, no? Is she really a licensed medical practitioner and why, if so, are the BMA giving her license to attack foundational concepts in biological science? And being a screaming misogynist whilst at it.

      How can an individual claim sexual rights appropriate to their biological sex? Remember, sex is generally binary. This biological fact is vital to our understanding and management of human health.

      OK, so we have biological sex. But what about the embodied lived experience that help to shape the individual’s sexuality and world view? Well that’s the personal life history of the individual, their sexual epistemology. For a biological woman, such an epistemology is normally called “womanhood”. This is what the TRAs appear to reject and consider an affront to their imagined identities.

      TRAs reject contemporary biomedical understanding and insist we adopt a radical view of science instead. Ergo, the TRA movement is a threat to public health, IMHO.

      Biology + sexual epistemology = sexual being capable of claiming sexual rights

      P.S. Epistemology, a right good Scottish invention there. 😉

    462. CameronB Brodie says:

      OK, back to Brexit and the legal identity of those living in Scotland. Remember, our European citizenship is currently protected by the ECHR. The government is following a course of action that would appear prohibited by international human rights law, i.e. force-ably stripping Scottish residents of their legally protected legal identity. Brexit increasingly appears to be a right-wing coupe by Tory extremists.

      The postmortem of Britain’s body politic will most probably find the Conservative government guilty of majoritarian abuse of constitutional power. They’ve certainly shown no respect for the principles of Union, in their mad dash to consolidate a distastefull English nationalism.

      Britain’s constitution is buckling under the weight of Brexit

      ….The UK’s famously “unwritten” constitution is a tapestry of legal rules, fundamental principles and political understandings, the delicate fabric of which has been placed under considerable strain. The referendum made it nigh on politically impossible for parliament to capitalise on the opportunity that the Miller judgment afforded.

      It was also used to justify overriding established convention governing the relationship between the UK’s constituent nations. And “the will of the people” is played as a trump card that distorts and closes down political debate even though, given the rudimentary nature of the referendum question, it more accurately resembles a blank canvas upon which politicians can, and do, paint at will.

      The protection of fundamental rights in the EU


    463. Cactus says:

      Hey Monsieur Tinto, guid tae see ye bro…

      Has been fun-d on the MT, be tres bon.

      Ahm awa’ tae miniclip 2 PLAY pool.

      It’s a trick shot Mecca…

    464. Welsh Sion says:

      I’m sure you will agree there will be a lot of 80 minute Welshies and Scotties at Murrayfield tomorrow.

      However, and as is my wont, I hope you will bear with me when I cease to support all things Scottish for those 80 minutes and cheer on the 15 men in red. Rest assured, normal service will be resumed thereafter – whatever the result.

      Oh, and did I say? I hope you come a strong second.

      Best wishes,

    465. CameronB Brodie says:

      That Duncan Hothersall doesn’t appear to support universal rights nor democracy either. The man’s clearly a totalitarian cretin.

    466. CameronB Brodie says:

      So why does the state appear to support anti-scientific, totalitarian, misogyny? Sorry, more philosophy.

      The Gender Selectivities of the State A Critical Realist Analysis

      Where Constructionism and Critical Realism Converge: Interrogating the Domain of Epistemological Relativism

      The Situational Character: A Critical Realist Perspective on the Human Animal

    467. CameronB Brodie says:

      From what I’ve gleaned, though my insight is not exhaustive, the process of bring the GRA to statute, has focused on the rights of non-binary individuals and a ‘bureaucratic legalism’ interpretation of equality. Little attention has been paid to the rights of women or the normative foundations of society.

      Perhaps this is why the New Right has embraced radical constructivism as a means to an end, i.e. the minimalist state with maximal powers of social transformation. In a nutshell, misogynistic totalitarianism and paternalistic state authoritarianism.

      The Fall – US 80s-90s (Peel Session)

    468. CameronB Brodie says:

      P.S. I’m not talking about the GRA in it’s entirety, there are probably some benefits to non-binary individuals. It’s the self-ID of sex that tells me it’s illiberal and, subsequently, anti-social.

    469. hackalumpoff says:

      Sorry to interrupt your stream CBB but as it’s Friday I thought I would lighten things up a wee bit with an oldie but still valid Hitler Parody.

    470. CameronB Brodie says:

      Crack on, I should have signed off, again.

    471. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      As we approach again another anniversary of the Easter Rising in Dublin (which resulted, some very bloody years later, in an independent Ireland which now outstrips the UK in all indicators of an affluent society) we still meet obviously entirely sane Scots (as referenced by Kathleen Nutt at the “Scottish” Labour Conference in today’s National) who believe Scotland is too poor to be independent.
      This is our fault.
      There is only one argument to be won and we win a referendum. That Scotland is an economically viable country.

      And why don’t we have songs like this?

    472. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. contemporary western society and the articulation of political power through the nexus of misogyny and racism. Here’s some thought’s that take account of human evolutionery psychology, neurobiology, semiotics and stuff. Well , I’m a bit of a critical, post-colonial, feminist, apparently. Radical, ya bas.

      P.S. It is in our best interests to understand the pychology of those who produce and diseminate popular culture, as they are some of the most responsible for shaping contemporary society.

      Prejudice at the nexus of race and gender: an outgroup male target hypothesis.

      Published in Journal of personality and social psychology 2010.

      Adopting an evolutionary approach to the psychology of race bias, we posit that intergroup conflict perpetrated by male aggressors throughout human evolutionary history has shaped the psychology of modern forms of intergroup bias and that this psychology reflects the unique adaptive problems that differ between men and women in coping with male aggressors from groups other than one’s own.

      Here we report results across 4 studies consistent with this perspective, showing that race bias is moderated by gender differences in traits relevant to threat responses that differ in their adaptive utility between the sexes-namely, aggression and dominance motives for men and fear of sexual coercion for women.

      These results are consistent with the notion that the psychology of intergroup bias is generated by different psychological systems for men and women, and the results underscore the importance of considering the gender of the outgroup target as well as the gender of the agent in psychological studies on prejudice and discrimination.

      Gender on the Brain: A Case Study of Science Communication in the New Media Environment

      A Lack of Emotional Intelligence is Fueling Misogyny and Racism at Google?—?and Across Silicon Valley

    473. CameronB Brodie says:

      Mastering the heART of Communication | Taryl Hansen | TEDxFountainHills

    474. CameronB Brodie says:

      re. the contemporary articulation of political power in Britain. Nations don’t normally seek to undermine their own viability and certainly don’t allow other nations to do so, unless they are psychologically ‘conditioned’ to be so inclined. Scotland’s continued yoonyawn with England is not rational, it is culturally bound ideology on stilts. It is the politics of popular, neurotic, submission.

      Brexit Mapping

    475. CameronB Brodie says:

      James Brown performs “Night Train” on the TAMI Show (Live)

    476. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi CameronBB.

      I’ve always rated this band since I got a copy of this album in a Dundee second-hand record emporium decades ago.

      They do “Night Train” on it.

      But the outstanding track for me, is their version of Donovan’s “Catch The Wind”, where they do to Donovan what The Byrds did to Bob Dylan.

    477. CameronB Brodie says:

      Brian Doonthetoon
      Definately a Byrds/Dylan sound there layer on top of Donovan. They dipped in to the black sound of the day and made a not bad effort, for an all white band of the day. Which was nice. Under-rated, IMHO.

      Paul Revere and the Raiders – Soul Man

    478. CameronB Brodie says:

      I wish folk would just stop with the criticisms of post-structuralism, when it is obvious their understanding of the topic is scientifically limited.

      Intersectionality for Beginners

      ‘There is no thing as a single-issue struggle because we do not live single-issue lives,’ wrote African American feminist, womanist and writer Audre Lorde.

      So how do we fight sexism without ignoring other issues such as race, disability, sexuality and class?

      Definition of Intersectionality
      On the Intersecting Nature of Privileges and Oppression

      Why Our Feminism Must Be Intersectional (And 3 Ways to Practice It)

      Paul Revere & The Raiders – Undecided Man

    479. CameronB Brodie says:

      If you want to tackle western society’s structural misogyny, than we need to look at the education system, for starters. It is not only the curriculum content that has bearing, once we learn to view and interpret the world in a Cartesian fashion, it is hard not to imagine a world that is not limited by binary constructs and boundaries. Apart from natural truths, such as biological sex being characterised by it’s binary nature, of course.

      The Sexual Politics of the Curriculum: contesting values


      This paper arises out of our current work investigating the
      construction of male and female students’ sexual/gender relations within school arenas. A main concern is to explore recent empirical and theoretical work on sexuality, in an attempt to critique the New Right moralism with its own
      contradictory form of pluralism.

      At the same time a critical examination of the sexual politics of the curriculum may serve to rethink the underlying values of the old dichotomies around liberal and radical modes of progressive education with reference to curriculum change.

      Key areas of debate include the contextualisation of sex/sexuality within schools, sexual harassment, the
      normalisation of heterosexualities and sex/sexuality education. We have found it useful to hold onto the tension between materialist, deconstructionist and psychoanalytic accounts of the formation of sexual subjectivities, without
      attempting to resolve the contradictions between them.

      By Any Other Name
      Is philosophy really ignoring important questions about transgender identity, specifically what it means to be a woman?

      Documenting digital feminist activism: Mapping feminist responses to new media misogyny and rape culture

    480. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi CameronBB.

      Had you come across Paul Revere etc previously?

      Onnyhoo, another American band, which I have linked to before in ‘off-topic’.

      The Americans produced some good stuff, after the Liverpool effect influenced them. But we always had The Commonwealth to depend on. Wasn’t Judith Durham a fit wummun?

    481. CameronB Brodie says:

      Brian Doonthetoon
      I wouldn’t call myself a fan Brian but yes and yes. There were certainly a few careers made on the back of the Mersey beat. And the rejection of it.

      My adolescence definitely had a garage punk sound-track. Telt you I was weirdo. 😉

      Randy Alvey & The Green Fuz – Green Fuz

    482. Brian Doonthetoon says:

      Hi CameronBB.

      One more non-hit but shoulda been from the 60s before I turn in.

    483. Dan says:

      Seeing as Petra seemed to get away with posting Pump Up The Jam on a main thread the other day I’ll throw this in the mix.

      The Shamen – Phorever People

      I think the lyrics work quite well (in a simplistic way) in describing our quest to be a progressive forward looking society.
      I just can’t be doing with some slow old dirge that in my view is more likely to depress than inspire folk.

      Our group played various other upbeat songs on the AUOB marches, and we started the Edinburgh march with the following.

      Muse – Uprising.

    484. CameronB Brodie says:

      I wasn’t joking when I suggested those who trust their biological security to the Tories, really do need thorough psychiatric assessment of their state of mental competence. Tories don’t do social ethics or bio-ethics. Tories often hold biologically deterministic views, which is why they are often misogynists. I struggle to consider Tories democrats, in the modern understanding of the word.

      How will Brexit affect health and health services in the UK? Evaluating three possible scenarios

      The process of leaving the European Union (EU) will have profound consequences for health and the National Health Service (NHS) in the UK. In this paper, we use the WHO health system building blocks framework to assess the likely effects of three scenarios we term soft Brexit, hard Brexit, and failed Brexit. We conclude that each scenario poses substantial threats….

      Media definitely do matter: Brexit, immigration, climate change and beyond

      Beyond Brexit: Why is Europe so important to us?

    485. CameronB Brodie says:

      OK, is it safe to critically examine Zionism?

      The Peace and Violence of Judaism: From the Bible to Modern Zionism

      Modern Zionism

      According to the first reading, Zionism represents the revival of violent tendencies in Judaism now that Jews once again have a state. In religious Zionism, the endorsement of violence is due to the belief that Jews are chosen, that God promised them the land of Israel, that the messianic period is approaching, and that non-Jews are evil. Secular Zionism does not subscribe to the literal meaning of these premises, but it has translated them into nationalist ideals that have also inspired violence.

      According to the second reading, the violence of Zionism has been inspired by factors having little to do with Judaism, such as secular nationalism, Jewish fears of Arabs engendered by centuries of persecution, and the desperation of Jews who believed that Zionism represented the only chance for Jews to survive. Furthermore, much of the violence by Zionists has been defensive in nature.

      Keywords: Zionism, religious Zionism, secular Zionism, non-Jews, Israel, Arabs, nationalism, persecution

      Zionism from Its Inception to 1948

      Zionist hegemony, the settler colonial conquest of Palestine and the problem with conflict: a critical genealogy of the notion of binary conflict

      Zion as Proxy?
      Three Jewish Scholars of Nationalism on Zionism and Israel

    486. Dave McEwan Hill says:

      Hard to think this was over 40 years ago. One of the defining records of the 20th century. When I went into the streets of the Sabon Gari township in Kano,Nigeria (the township outside the old city for the Christian people from the south)this would be playing all over the place. Most of the houses had big speakers hanging above their front doors and they played music loudly all day

    487. CameronB Brodie says:

      One for the JRMs in the world, who are ring-worms weakening society from within. He also appears to be a bit of a cunt.

      Phloen Phromdaen and Kong Katkamngae – Klua duang

    488. CameronB Brodie says:

      OK, here’s one for “affirming parents” who may be straying in to the realm of child abuse. SEX and GENDER are NOT the same thing. Healthy identities are shaped from within, not by external fads, with or without the support of state authority. It is important that children grow up to love themselves in an ethical manner that is grounded in the social reality of who they are. Don’t allow your misconceptions to cripple your child’s future development path.

      Same applies to Scotland’s residents who feel more Scottish than British, or who chose to retain their EU citizenship, a significant majority.

      The Psychologizing of Injustice?
      On Axel Honneth’s Theory of Recognitive Justice.

      The Social Self: The Role of the Social Situation

      Confronting suffering with narrative theory, constructed selfhood, and control: Critical perspectives by Simone Weil and Buddhist metaphysics

    489. CameronB Brodie says:

      These might be more accessible.


      Low Self Esteem

      Loving Yourself—How Important Is It?
      Can you love someone else if you don’t love yourself?

      James Brown – Papa’s Got A Brand New Bag – I Feel Good

    490. CameronB Brodie says:

      Are there still those who doubt that austerity is driven by ideology that is inescapably anti-social in nature? Time for some Critical Accounting and some gender-aware social economics and stuff?

      Public sector accounting, accountability and austerity: More than balancing the books?

      Purpose – The era of austerity that has followed the outbreak of the global financial crisis has posed a myriad of challenges for public services, with demands for major cuts in government spending, the delivery of balanced budgets and strategies for deficit reduction. The purpose of this paper is to consider how public sector accounting and accountability systems are implicated in the development and implementation of austerity policies. Also, it pinpoints a range of issues that accounting researchers need to be contemplating on the subject of accounting for austerity.

      Design/methodology/approach – Interdisciplinary literature review, coupled with an illustrative discussion of the changing nature of public sector accounting practices under austerity.

      Findings – Despite the significance and scale of austerity, public sector accounting research on the topic is in its infancy, with the prominent focus being on how accounting technologies are used to manage austerity. There have been few attempts to debate critically the construction of austerity and to provide alternative accounts of austerity. Accounting for austerity, especially in terms of its implications and consequences, is far too complex and challenging to be categorized as simply seeking to “balance the books”.

      Research limitations/implications – As an academic community, we need to be developing understanding of public sector accounting research under austerity across different organizational levels and contexts. Also, we should be framing the accounts of austerity in ways that respect and build on a sound understanding of the extensive available interdisciplinary research on this topic.

      Key research questions to address include: how is accounting shaping constructions of, and impressions, attitudes and behaviors toward, austerity and the status of governments and public service organizations? What do such patterns of development mean for the roles and contributions of public sector accountants under austerity? Are accounting systems destined to be used primarily as vehicles for cost-cutting, or can they be used as engines for growth and for thinking about public service responsibilities in more socially inclusive forms?

      Originality/value – Accountings of austerity in the field of public sector accounting research have been worryingly limited. This paper and the papers in this special issue of AAAJ address such failings, revealing a range of critical implications and challenges of austerity policies for public sector accounting research.

      Austerity, Audit, and Accountability : New Public Management and the Privatisation of Local Audit in England

      A ‘new politics’ of austerity, workfare and gender? The UK coalition government’s welfare reform proposals

    491. Dan says:

      Dedicated to Theresa on her various trips…

      Talking Heads – Road to Nowhere

      C’mon Scotland, we’ve got better destination options available to us rather than letting this current clown continue holding the wheel.

      The past two years condensed into 40 seconds. We really don’t want to hang around and get caught up in the end result.

    492. CameronB Brodie says:

      One for Conservative MP Dominic Grieve, who appears to be a democrat who respects the voluntary nature of the yoonyawn. Come on Scottish Conservatives, show the world you’re not blood-and-soil, English nationalist, Tories and give British nationalism the cold shoulder.

      Sam Cooke – A Change Is Gonna Come

    493. Ian Foulds says:

      For the moment we could keep the parliamentary union with England and Wales but be separate along with Northern Ireland with an Economic Union?

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