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Posted on
January 02, 1968 by
Rev. Stuart Campbell
For off-topic chat. Duh.
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A tall tale
Wee Books
Video
Probably a robbery
Transphobia
@ Tinto, Blaven link to skyeale.com
Slainte
Thanks, Fred. Will investigate its powers scientifically.
Previously had only sampled Red/Black Cuillin.
In the event of another event in the square we can be found under the monument in the centre – we attached Wings flags to the iScot gazebo this time.
Betty,
I did a quick survey, only listening as far as ‘father’ and it seems ‘faither’ or something close to that, was used as far South as Worcestershire and Berkshire at that time.
Who’d have thunk that?
OTOH some of those speakers from regions in the North, e.g. Yorkshire said ‘father’ but then, since they were reading a passage of the bible, perhaps they said it that way because, already, they thought that was the ‘propah’ way to say it.
Makes you wonder just how recent this RP thing is.
@ Tinto Chiel, way further up the thread.
It was Arms Across Scotland, organized by Parents for Survival, on 05/10/86. (Mentioned here in the diary of events: link to banthebomb.org
I was there too – in Glasgow, somewhere round about the Tron/High Street – so we have a long history of not quite meeting one another!
About a year ago we were doing a Yes street stall in Kilmarnock and a Parent for Survival stopped to talk to us. I’m not sure if the group still exists.
Cactus @ 4.59
I would like to come to the next meet up because apart from Ronnie Anderson I seem to have missed everyone.
But Saturday the 21st is definitely out for me (daughters wedding) all the other date’s are fine though.
crazycat: thanks very much for getting the date right for me. At least the weather where we were (near Torrance?) was pleasant. As I recall it was played down by our wonderful press and I don’t know if our human chain made it all across the waist of Scotland. Probs did since I heard nothing more about it. The guy who organised our section was a Communist friend who’s now a Green Yesser. His activist wife is no longer with us, sadly.
As I have said before, a simple Yes would have got these obscene machines out of our country for ever, but CNDers in BLiS_______d wouldn’t do it.
And then I think of a few friends who were there that day and aren’t now who did a lot for the movement but who never saw a nuclear-free Scotland.
I will appoint you Supreme Historical Commissar in the Our New Scotland and will just move over seamlessly to the Presidential post. IanB gets the Literary one obvs but I’m open to offers for the others.
Smallaxe will assume the Seer without Portfolio gig, of course.
It’ll be a Brave New World.
@Ricardo Picasso
You present yourself as a knowledgeable individual but what is your frame of reference? Why don’t you provide support to your conjecture? Why should people listen to your opinion?
@Kenny Farquharson
What’s your frame of reference? You do understand the definition of colonial rule? Personally, I think your opinion appears a tad subjective and your worldview needs seriously updating. So long as you are happy though, eh?
Irish Cultural Studies and Postcolonial Theory
…Postcolonial studies is manifestly concerned with foregrounding exigent historical and contemporary experiences and legacies of all forms of imperialism. By facilitating discussions of imperial and anti-imperial experience across borders and within a protracted historical continuum, theoretical readings strive to, indeed must contribute to, ethical readings of colonialism, neo-colonialism, and postcolonialism.
Ireland – a test case of Post-colonialism / Post colonialism
link to cpsa-acsp.ca
Internal Colonization: Russia’s Imperial Experience
link to eu.wiley.com
Oops. Link to Irish Cultural Studies and Postcolonial Theory.
link to postcolonial.univ-paris13.fr
Here’s one in anticipation of the ‘Dependency on England’ campaign in the next indyref.
Mind now Scotland, your shite and England has no responsibility for your shiteness.
The Highlighters Band – Poppin’ Popcorn
link to youtube.com
Right, Cameron, that’s you got the Semiotics, Lit. Theory and History of Ideas brief.
Any other disciplines you could cover?
Evening, I popped on a movie last night, Gravity, starring Sandra Bullock & George Clooney.
This is the scene where Dr Stone is talking with Aningaaq from iGreenland (that ye didnae see on yer televisual screens:)
Here be the bonus clip from the first:
link to youtube.com
And here’s the short in full:
link to youtube.com
There’s always a message in there…
X to all fae last night. 🙂
Tinto Chiel
I hate being tied down Tinto but I’m open to job-share. 😉
Nae probs, Cameron. As my very expensive lawyer used to say: I shall consider and revert.
Cactus says:
18 September, 2017 at 4:59 pm
Afternoon all, hmm, from reading the comments, it sounds like it’s time to start organising the next Friends of Wings social…
It’s usually good to give at least one months notice for people to plan, so here are some potential dates for consideration:
Saturday, the 21st October
Saturday, the 28th October
Saturday, the 4th November
Saturday, the 11th November
Any later than the above dates and it’ll probably be too close to Merry December day for some.
Venue to be confirmed.
Anyone interested say AYE! Sorry cannae hear you say AYE!
That’s better, I’m interested and why not one last blast to see out 2017? That would do for me. We have a future to look forward to from 2018 and beyond so a wee celebration of the future could be just the ticket.
Open to suggestions but if none of you come up with one I’m for having a wee Wings night out in the Ferry again sometime in November. If we go for this then we need to push it and I’m not doing that by myself over on the MT.
Everybody say AYE 🙂
Just nabbed the 29,000th post on Off Topic LOL. So here’s an old tune.
link to youtube.com
AYE! Any date any location.
Aye… except if it’s the 21st of October
Hi Peeps.
I’m open to atten ding Wings get-togethers. I was speaking to Cactus about this on Saturday; I was thinking about another Invergowrie bash around the end of August but circumstances dictated otherwise. Then I mentioned November…
The Invergowrie Inn is YES-friendly but Cactus and Alex have picked up the baton so I’ll take a back seat.
Meanwhile, in other news…
I had Channel 4 News on as aural wallpaper, whilst I was having a couple of games of “Mr Do!”.
link to en.wikipedia.org!
Just before their last ad break, the had a story about Spice and Black Mamba and other, former, legal highs.
I couldn’t get this programme out of my mind. One of the best exposés of the celebrity thirst for media fame.
link to youtube.com
Hi Peeps.
I’m open to attending Wings get-togethers. I was speaking to Cactus about this on Saturday; I was thinking about another Invergowrie bash around the end of August but circumstances dictated otherwise. Then I mentioned November…
The Invergowrie Inn is YES-friendly but Cactus and Alex have picked up the baton so I’ll take a back seat.
Meanwhile, in other news…
I had Channel 4 News on as aural wallpaper, whilst I was having a couple of games of “Mr Do!”.
link to en.wikipedia.org!
Just before their last ad break, the had a story about Spice and Black Mamba and other, former, legal highs.
I couldn’t get this programme out of my mind. One of the best exposés of the celebrity thirst for media fame.
link to youtube.com
Apologies for double post. I had spotted the space in “atten ding”, did a quick edit, frumbled the submit button and ditto volte-face.
SHAZBOT!
@J.K. Rowling?
Does it not give you a bit of a red neck pontificating about matters you clearly know little about? Do you not appreciate how shallow an understanding you have? Still, your wealthy so probably think you are correct about most thing.
#rightmindedness
Right I’m starting a list and you know what that means.
Saturday, the 11th November, Jolly’s in the Ferry Dundee.
CameronB Brodie (first on the list)
Liz g (hope you make November)
Alex Clark
Come on the rest of you, this year has been an amazing year and I’m sure we’ve all got plenty to talk about and share. I really need a few more names before I post this on the main thread so please let me know now!!
One last effort to see out 2017, it’ll be worth it believe me 🙂
link to link.springer.com
In case you missed the salient point of the matter, Scotland and England are separate countries, each with their own vivid and unique histories and cultures. Your British nationalism seeks to replace these with an ultimately unsustainable pseudo-culture (with the cult of Bentham at it’s ‘heart’).
Do you appreciate the concept of ethics? Catch yourself.
Previous comment @J.K. Rowling.
AYE fae me Alex.
Ahm oot in the city drinking things.
Burp!
Alex Clark says:
19 September, 2017 at 8:58 pm
Right I’m starting a list and you know what that means.
—————
..and aye fae me Alex.
@J.K. Rowling
link to lvnrg.vtcath.org
A list? Yep, I’m a very probably.
Well done Alex.
OK well there we have it so far the dirty half dozen!
CameronB Brodie
Liz g
Alex Clark
Cactus
yesbot
cearc
So come on and don’t be shy, the last great event of the year and you really don’t want to miss it. So get yourself on “the list” LOL.
Just kidding and trying to whip up some enthusiasm but I’d really like you to come along as I know we’ll have a great time. Some time tomorrow maybe I will post this on the main thread hopefully we’ll have a dirty dozen by then 🙂 to start with.
@J.K. Rowling
link to princeton.edu
Had a trip to the capital today to see the Jacobite exhibition in the Scottish Museum. Very interesting to see stuff which folk will probably never get the chance to see together again. The organisers have been taking stick about the lack of a Gaelic content but have Kathleen MacInnes singing in the background.
Cha till mi tuillidh!
@J.K. Rowling
Somehow, ultimately, I hope you can find some humility in your heart.
link to iea.org.uk
Introduction to Public Choice Theory
link to perspicuity.net
Public Choice Theory
link to econlib.org
“Ahm oot in the city drinking things.”
Me too, Cactus, but I seem to have missed you.
Do you get it? Well do you? Hahahhahahaha
link to youtube.com
@ Tinto Chiel
Re: whether arms really did meet across Scotland
We were told it had joined up, and there was much cheering. Possible, of course, that gaps re-emerged while the message was being conveyed, but there were enough people participating to make it continuous.
Aweright Tinto Chiel ~
Be me cryptic or not… my default is Le Clutha.
We had FUN!
crazycat: thanks for that! Pretty much a news blackout then, just like today.
*sighs*
Glad you got home ok, Cactus. I was in that wee Russian restaurant in King Street, but was a very good boy and home before 12.00.
Le Clutha est vraiment formidable! Sorry I didn’t get the chance to chat on Sat. but I met the famous Jock Scot. Quel chapeau!
Meant to say: been going to drum classes, chinas.
How’m ah doin’?
link to youtube.com
And here?
link to youtube.com
@Paul Robertson
Would you consider yourself a patriot? What sort of patriot and to which nation, Scotland or England?
N.B. One can not be a patriot to a unitary state.
link to princeton.edu
@ Alex
@ Bdtt,
Hi guys, sent you both an email for info. Alex, hope you haven’t changed you address.
@Paul Robertson
Understanding what a democratic deficit is might help you overcome your limited world-view and ill-founded dogma, IMHO.
Morning TC, aye the Cossachok, good place.
Wooft, that was some night, last night.
The power of the peaty whisky!
They call me the wanderer.
I go around.
AYE.
N.B. One can not be a patriot to a unitary state.N.B. One can not be a moderate patriot to a unitary state.
@CameronB Brodie, the topic of Public Choice Theory looks interesting, especially in relation to “constitutions as a means by which people can protect themselves”, and “the kind of constitution that rational self-interested individuals would create”. So…
1: Can you expand on the issue – preferably in words of less than 5 syllables. 🙂
2: Is the Wiki entry on Public Choice Theory a good basic summary, and/or accurate?
3: Is this an accurate summary: public choice theory is the application of economic thinking to political issues.
The issue of constitutions is relevant in that Indy Scotland will presumably need to write one for itself. Unless we agree that the UK model of “unwritten constitution” is the way forward.
Also, some people recently were talking of differences between the referendum situation in Scotland and in Catalonia. Notably that Scotland was legally entitled to hold a vote, whereas the written Spanish constitution prohibits any vote in Catalonia.
I would assume that a nation’s constitution could be rapidly rewritten, if there was a sudden need to do so, or a political will to make amendments.
Cactus, I prescribe a strict regime of bending exercises, spring water and Mornflake Bran Oatmeal porridge.
In that order…
Hey, hep cats, it’s dark in here in these shades.
Ooh, where’s me washboard?
@ Tinto Chiel, when you get behind your drum kit, I hear you turn into a wild thing…
link to youtube.com
Heehee!
Bit too understated for me, David.
😛
How do we distinguish the patriot from the nationalist, Cameron?
Is it like rebel v. Freedom fighter?
David
Hi David. Perhaps, reasonable and spot on. 🙂
link to open.lib.umn.edu
Public Choice Theory and the Politics of Good and Evil
link to niskanencenter.org
The Limits of Public Choice Theory
link to jacobitemag.com
P.S. Pubic Choice Theory acknowledges the need to protect the public from bureaucratic excess and psychopaths in public office – written constitutions are a means of achieving such protection from potential political abuse of human rights.
Tinto Chiel
Nationalist tend to have an emotional attachment to their national culture and a concern for their nation’s best interests. Patriots do not require such an attachment as their loyalty is largely ego driven, self-serving and akin to racism. However, moderate patriots don’t tend to believe in supremacist ideologies and so generally don’t interfere in the democracy of other nations.
Britain is the political ‘union’ between the nations of Scotland and England. As such, British patriots have no moral justification in seeking to impose English hegemony on Scots! Not in my book anyway.
AYE.
Had meself a large glass of de l’eau before dormiries TC. Better still, I made a big pot of my special spicy lentil n veg soup before I headed out last night… said soup is being supped the now, yummy. Tell me this.. why do some people have this tendency to liquidise and reduce all their soups? I like mines chunky, country-style.
iScotland is getting ever-closer.
AYE.
An amazing coincidence: having my own rustic homemade non-spicy lentil with flakes of ham hough in it: AYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Thanks for that, CBB.
Told you I could be taught.
For history buffs.
Ekaterina Amazon prime
Russian historical TV drama series on the rise of Catherine the Great.
From the background reading I did prior to visiting St Petersburg a couple of years ago it seems to be pretty accurate historically, as one might expect from a Russian production on Russian history.
It has all the power struggle intrigue of Game of Thrones but based on reality.
It is subtitled and the direction is a bit quirky compared to Western TV but it grows on you.
There is an occasional narrator’s voice, clearly a Russian speaking in English and his tone is of the mono variety (oxymoron alert) which gives the feel of a docu-drama to it.
We are up to episode 4 and it just gets better, will be fascinating to see if the lead, Marina Aleksandrova manages the personality transformation from innocent young girl into the femme formidable she was to become later.
It is happening already though.
If you want to learn about Russian (and European) history which is not about the communist revolution or the Napoleonic wars then this is a must see.
But if you are only suffering from the loss of a power play fix now that GOT is having its hiatus this could help out with that too.
David
link to chicagounbound.uchicago.edu
@Historywoman
Are you for real as you have the appearance of someone who is detached from reality? You do appreciate the concepts of human dignity and human liberty?
P.S. Which nation are you a patriot of, Scotland or England?
Cameron and David….re Constitutional change.
That was one of the flaws of the proposed interim Constitution in 2014.
It proposed a super majority in Holyrood to change our Constitution.
IMHO that’s not enough protection from a Government on a power trip coupled with a weak or complying opposition.
There is I am sure an example of that actually happening somewhere!
But also it is leaving the people out of direct participation on Constitutional change that has allowed the US government to keep emergency measures in place and keep the Patriot act legal,since 9/11, eroding many of their citizens constitutional rights for the duration of the emergency.
The 16 YEAR emergency!!!
We are fortunate in that we are a small enough country to credibly have regular referendums.
So my preferred mechanism for Constitutional change would be….
A super majority in Holyrood to seek the people’s approval for the proposed change to the Constitution.
This also has the benefit of one Generation not being able to bind another. Best of both worlds to coin a phrase.
And emergency measures that impact Scottish Citizens Constitutional rights should have a sunset clause..
And yes we should be thinking of this stuff now….. before so called civic Scotland dive in to run the show,as soon as the Yes vote is delivered.
Otherwise it will be a Constitution to suit them and any benefit or protection for us will just be by chance!
Liz g
If you’re wanting any more out of me then it’s only fair we discuss rates. No? 🙂
Seriously though, constitutional design and legislative functionalism are not something I know much about. I hope we already have folk looking into this though, as I think the process could be helpful as a means of informing the next indyref campaign.
Separation of Powers: A New Look at the Functionalist Approach
link to scholarlycommons.law.case.edu
Why is Functional Theory relevant to Scotland’s democratic deficit, particularly in light of the BritNat “power elite’s” intention to drag Scotland out of the EU?
link to catalog.flatworldknowledge.com
Democratic Theory
link to oxfordbibliographies.com
Global Democratic Theory: A Critical Introduction
link to eu.wiley.com
@Michael Kelly
You do appreciate the concept of colonial rule – i.e. to be governed by an external power which you are unable to influence? Check the label on your patriotism and you might find direction to an ethical approach to life. Probably not though.
link to routledgesoc.com
@Owen Jones
What about Scotland eh? Have you figured out yet whether you’re a socialist or an English nationalist with aspirations of egalitarianism? What label of patriotism do you wear son?
Still think I come in too heavy on the cymbals at 1.32:
link to youtube.com
Michael Kelly, Cameron, like John Reid and Gorgeous George Galloway, typify that strangest of creations: someone from an Irish republican background, a supporter of the colonially-oppressed proletariat everywhere, who inexlicably wreathes himself in the Butcher’s Apron and calls his fellow Scots Nazis/Vile Seps.
As I have said elsewhere, when we are free, there will be a growth industry in PhDs studying the corkscrew contortions of these Scotch Cringers.
The Britnat Self-Loather: weirdest organism on the planet.
The Mariana Trench has nothing more grotesque.
Tinto Chiel
Michael Kelly – well rewarded for being a racist bigot.
Britain in a nutshell.
Well whaddya know. I visit Off-topic for the first time in months to find my favourite Wingers organising a Wingy autumn get-together!
Better still, in my favourite spot….the Ferry! (Broughty Ferry).
Date’s in my diary. Hope I can get there xx
@Alex –
Please put me on the list as a 50/50 – you really should go ahead and just do it anyway, the last one (well, that I was at anyway) was braw.
😉
@CameronB –
Haven’t really had time to catch-up with your links since you returned, but will make time and have a stab at some of it.
Latter stages of uni for me involved a wee bit of postcolonial theory and I got right into Homi Bhabha. Some don’t like him, think he’s a chancer, but his ideas look pretty sound and useful, esp if applied to what we’re doing here.
Also, don’t know if you’ve ever encountered a Scottish academic called Scott Hames (Stirling Uni) but I’ve a feeling you’d like his stuff. He had (has?) a brilliant wee online magazine called ‘The Bottle Imp’, well worth a swatch if you haven’t seen it already.
Anyway, hope things are good with you brother, hoots aplenty as aye. 😉
Ian Brotherhood
Pile in mate. Some of the links will be interesting, some not. I’m not sure if any of this knowledge will help but I’m trying to strengthen our argument with social science and theory. I’d also hope to at least encouraging some No voting readers to question their previous decision. Btw, you appear to be confusing me with an academic, my field of vision is pretty narrow and as I’m not the keenest of readers, my appreciation of literature is woeful. Same for Scottish culture. Anyway, I’ll away and check out The Bottle Imp. Cheers mate, hope you can make the next gathering. 😉
@CamB –
Well, to me you’re as close to an ‘academic’ as makes no difference. I can’t imagine what academia is worth unless it at least *tries* to help rather than marginalise. I suspect we’ve all had too many bad experiences at the hands of ‘professors’ who have nothing they enjoy ‘professing’ about more than their own expertise/status. Fuck ’em. I’d rather read a random bunch of links on here than slog through some PhD pishery.
In any case, the general thrust of progressive thought appears to be for self-determination and against colonialism. That can only help our cause, so, aye, I’m all for ‘intellectuals’, be they professional, amateur, unwitting, or whatever else!
😉
@ Ian
Fuck ’em. I’d rather read a random bunch of links on here than slog through some PhD pishery.
Spot on.
Academia is akin to blinkering a horse. It is a rigid approach to a particular discipline and leaves little room for free thought if you are chasing the paper. It narrows yir thinking fir sure. Gi me a drunken but lucid rant any day.
Pit me doon for 50/50 an ah on the Ferry meet up (might hae to bring meh mither, brither and sister and the rest o the crazy gang if they ken ehm going). Got a wedding in Newcastle that day but, eh could probably wriggle oot o the do that night and head up the road.
Could eh possibly get a few volunteers to test oot a wee pro indy website that ehm working on. Dinnae want to advertise it here just yet but, could dae wi testing the functionality o it and working oot what improvements need making.
What’s pubic choice theory?
@William Wallace –
Hoots mon.
Only time I’ve ever been in Broughty Ferry was for the Wings night. I only stayed about three hours, didny even have a pint. Most fun ah’ve ever had with all my clothes on.
😉
@ Paula
That’s when fowk share their best ideas for getting rid o the crabs 🙂
@ Ian
If ehm meeting up fir this ane wir ah jumpin into the Tay in the scud pished. Nae excuses 🙂
Re Wings gathering in the Ferry, thanks for all the support. I’ve heard on the grapevine that there’s a possibility of an alternative event being organised for around the same time.
I’ve agreed that it wouldn’t be sensible for both and to be honest I’m easy as long as there is something happening. So I’ll hang fire with publicising the proposed doo in the Ferry from the Main thread for now until I hear more concrete info.
There’s no worry I’m sure all you good folk so far interested would be just as interested in the alternative if it comes off.
Will keep you all posted, so far 7 Ayes and 2 Mibbees.
CameronB Brodie
Liz g
Alex Clark
Cactus
yesbot
cearc
Quine frae Angus
Ian Brotherhood (50/50)
William Wallace (50/50)
link to youtube.com
Oh and I meant to add a big Hi to Quine frae Angus. Nice to hae you back.
That you hitting me me with rubber ding again PNR 🙂 It might have worked in Glesga but, it’ll no work in Dundee 😉 Nae hiding place ya big ferry woofter 🙂 😉 Fancy changing the venue and hitting the toon?
“me with the rubber ding”
You ken the single malt is kicking in when eh start repeating words like “me”
Meh femily will shut aff caws fir wi ah so we can perty withoot interruption.
@ Quinie
Hi Quinie, guid tae see ye. You’ve got a lot of reading to do. Some fantastically involved conversations going on the last couples of days on OT. Join the fun or just try to get your head around them! 🙂
Now is the time !!!
link to youtube.com
Back in the day 😉
link to imgur.com
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Imagine that, it only made 17 in the charts.
Promised myself I wouldnae post on here drunk tae 😉 Going aboot as well as my diet.
link to youtube.com
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@Ian Brotherhood
Protest on now
link to twitter.com
Yippee another list – star on board.
Paula
Re. Public Choice Theory.
DeVo 2.0 Freedom Of Choice
link to youtube.com
Gosh CameronB I missed that at the time ta – I was a big Devo fan.
link to youtube.com
@Historywoman
Out-of-touch ‘academics’ who share your pathology of outlook, have totally screwed up the Scottish people’s self-conception of themselves. Your “psychological sense of community” appears not to be rooted in Scotland. Away and find a way of escaping the ‘One Nation’ cult and you might then be able to find an ethical approach to life.
Of course, the same can be said of the BBC in Scotland.
link to wright-house.com
I take it my drunken humour was only funny tae me 🙂 Sorry folks.
In case anybody does a Kezia on me fir the woofter comment, it was my inner Victor voice that said it 🙂
link to youtube.com @ 2:20
William Wallace
Very droll. 😉
@ Cameron
Shhhorrrry
Comedy fae the gutter when yir guttered. It seems funny at the time. 😉
William Wallace
Crack on mate, we’re all human, I think. Btw, I’m not the boss. 😉
@Historywoman
Your vocabulary is one of fear and hostility and is rooted in a time best forgotten. Do you not think it rational to brighten your thinking up? Is that possible? Hope does appear lost to you as there is no positive argument for a return to colonial rule in the 21st century.
The Untouchables – Tighten Up
link to youtube.com
@Historywoman
New Biological Books
Reviews and Brief Notices
The Psychology of Imagination. Jean-Paul Sartre
link to journals.uchicago.edu
@Historywoman
I hope you follow a programe of continual learning?
link to aibr.org
Twenty Flight Rock for Smallaxe ramorra on NFA on Argyll Independent Radio not to mention Burn That Candle
@Historywoman
I can’t see this being your cup of tea. That’s a pity, frankly.
link to link.springer.com
@Historywoman
This one’s definitely not for you. That doesn’t invalidate it’s existence or essential nature though, does it?
link to benjamins.com
If I may be bold enough to offer some advice, you would benefit from thinking before you comment further on the future of Scotland. Presently, you’re a total embarrassment.
“You either believe in yourself or you don’t.” – Captain James T Kirk
Sorry for hoggin’ space folks, I’ll be back on the meds soon. 🙂
Arte Bella – Ska Trek
link to youtube.com
Arte Bella – Ska TrekSka Trek – Arte Bella
SKA TREK 2 🙂
link to youtube.com
The Yoonstream doesn’t stand a chance, frankly.
Lloyd Robinson – Cuss Cuss
link to youtube.com
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Re. the law always being correct. Bollocks, the law is normatively bias, i.e. it favours the culture from which it originates. The law is a tool of opresion, as well as an enabler of justice.
link to scholarship.law.umn.edu
link to tutor2u.net
link to lsolum.typepad.com
link to wikihow.com
6 Ways to Overcome Your Biases for Good
Let your actions take the lead.
link to psychologytoday.com
Predicting Happiness: How Normative Feeling Rules Influence (and Even Reverse) Durability Bias
link to faculty.fuqua.duke.edu
link to reflectd.co
What Is Impact Bias? (Cognitive Bias)
link to howtogetyourownway.com
Impact Bias
link to changingminds.org
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
I think Al-Dossary may have enjoyed that…..
Here’s one for the supporters of the Anglo-American New Right.
Jello Biafra & D.O.A. – FULL METAL JACKOFF
link to youtube.com
link to sociology.org.uk
Control Theory in Sociology: Definition & Concept Related Study Materials
link to study.com
link to s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com
“The Evergreens” page is still going strong. More input may be required to combat the nay-sayers…
link to thesocialcontract.com
Ideology in politics: reflections on Lady Thatcher’s legacy
link to ippr.org
@ Dave McEwan Hill, I was burning the candle at both ends (geddit!) so only tuned in to your radio show at the spot when Tina Turner was giein’ it laldy wi’ Nutbush City Limits. 🙁
Ah well, did hear 20 Flight Rock!
Kicked of with Burn That Candle, David
A wee tune for Smallaxe who is taking some time out, recovering from the latest hospital stay and chillin with family.
link to youtube.com
stay well Smallaxe haste ye back and tell Mrs Smallaxe I am asking for her X
Take care Smallaxe.
Burning Spear – Mek We Dweet (“Let us do it”)
link to youtube.com
It disnae help when other regulars are backing up the naysayers who are aiming fire at regular long term commenters just because they voice their opinions on the nonsense being spouted in a more direct manner….honest tae god if I hear one more fucking supporter of independence declare the length of time they’ve been supporting it followed by a complete lot of shit about our current dynamic I’ll come through the screen and see it ma bite is worse than ma bark. (yes I would just hurt ma heid oan the screen)
And if I hear the same old trope of ‘they way yur writing yur wurdz oan the screen is gonnae make people vote No’…I’ll…I’ll…well I don’t know what I’ll do, do I? Just pisses me off no end that we have to contend with this level of interaction about ‘who is in a clique’ without mentioning names of said ‘clique’ etc coming from people who should actually know better than to feed into the ranting maniacal tosswollop of the likes or coprolite and man at C&A, to name two of the most frequent purveyors of this type of pish.
Rant over. Back to avoiding MT for days on end again.
Hi K1.
You’ve got to remember that those of the ‘under the bridge’ group always want to have the last word on a page, so that peeps just browsing, who go to a page and see the last comments, think that those comments are indicative of the whole site.
When they become so blatant, as in “The Evergreens”, we can’t allow their last comment to stand as the offering that casual browsers could see.
Ken whuh eh’m sayin’, iye?
@ K1 🙂
Get it ah aff yir chest on aff topic mate and fire right back intae the stramash. 😉
If yir needing handers, Eh’ll derail them ah wi some drunken stupidity. 🙂
Dance…
link to youtube.com
@ Paula
Naw 🙂
Lead the dance.
link to youtube.com
Aye, ken whit yer sayin’ B. Cheers William…ah’ll keep you in mind fur hauners 😉
Afore eh go. Be well Sma Axe. In meh thoughts as ever. You are too big to be sma. There is nae cancer on earth can beat you.
See ya soon man. Keep well.
Wull.
Peace Always 😉
IMHO, the longevity of British nationalism is partly the result of deeply ingrained institutional racism.
link to crimeandjustice.org.uk
Symbolic and Modern Racism
link to encyclopedia.com
Is “Symbolic Racism” Racism? A Review Informed by Intergroup Behavior
link to jstor.org
“IMHO, the longevity of British nationalism is partly the result of deeply ingrained institutional racism.”
Yes, there’s no doubt in my mind that the British Empire, the greatest, most extensive and most acquisitive land grab in history, has produced this racism, as well as British Exceptionalism and Entitlement.
I think it’s why the Establishment cling so desperately to The Last Colony. Apart from our resources, which are essential to keep the 1% super-rich rich, we are needed psychologically to give them something they can control and exploit.
We are a big jewel in a much-reduced crown.
Nana, thank you for the information on Smallaxe. I noticed that he was missing from the board, and wondered if he was not too good at the moment.
Keep on keeping on Smallaxe my friend, we need you in this fight.
Here’s a wee tune to keep you going.
link to youtube.com
Morning Marie, I see Macart is also missing these days. Maybe just taking time out as we all need to now and then.
If you are looking in Sam
link to youtube.com
Nana thanks for all the links on this quiet morning. Always appreciated.
Smallaxe I miss you. Best wishes for you and your family. Take it easy.
We’re all minding the store for ye.
Saw Mrs Terrible May’s speech yesterday, or at least a few minutes of it (all I could stand).
Looks as if the powers behind her (not the party) have coached her to within an inch and telt her to get over there and suck up big time, buy some stalling time and in that way thwart the Brexit sting and ScotsIndyref2.
Brexit is no longer red, white and blue, but a watery shade of brown and she’s got it all over her nose. Not sure the party will like it. Is that the sound of knives being sharpened I an hear.
@Historywoman
Let’s continue working to improve the health of your disposition, shall we?
link to ndpr.nd.edu
@Historywoman
Perhaps it would have helped if I’d posted this first?
link to tandfonline.com
@Historywoman
I hope this helps you develop a “sense of community” that is rooted in Scotland, not the ‘One Nation’ ideology/cult.
link to eu.wiley.com
@Historywoman
Still not convinced a re-evalution of your thinking might be in order?
link to oxfordbibliographies.com
link to tannerlectures.utah.edu
@CamB –
What your last comment seems to be describing is what Orwell referred to as ‘common decency’. So far as I’m aware he never dedicated any significant space or time to attempting a definition of what he understood that to mean, but he used the expression in such a way that he appeared to take it as a ‘given’, i.e. what your extract would perhaps label as ‘normative’.
This goes to the heart of questions relating to motivation and purpose, and is so personal that it is difficult, nay impossible, to discuss.
Donna Babington (oor ain Donna) recently tweeted a question: ‘what sparked your interest in political activity?’ (that’s not verbatim, but close) and she was asking for the answer in one tweet. Not easy, but a useful exercise in examining ones own motives. A similar process might be required to answer: ‘What do you understand ‘common decency’ to mean?’ We would have to provide examples, and that’s not easy either. (We just have to remember dudes like Aristotle getting all heavy about ethics and suchlike while being attended on by people who were their actual property.)
IMHO, this place is at its best and most valuable when it allows people to raise these and similar questions and at least try to answer them. That they’re being raised in very specific socio-historical context makes it all much less abstract and *dry* than it can appear if left in the hands of ‘real’ philosophers.
Anyway, have a braw Saturday Cameron, and abody else.
Ye’s are aw pure bams by the way!
😉
Ian Brotherhood
Cjeers mate, good to see I’m not needlessly polluting space to no positive end. 😉
link to oxfordhandbooks.com
Fitting-attitude theories of value
link to users.ox.ac.uk
No Good Fit: Why the Fitting Attitude Analysis of Value Fails
link to academic.oup.com
@Historywoman
Perhaps your topic of academic study has adversely influenced your perspective?
link to thoughtco.com
social order
link to encyclopedia.com
link to journals.sagepub.com
Hey there Smallaxe = )
Thinking of you xxx
LOVE AND PEACE 🙂
Some pals I met down the pub…
link to youtube.com
Hope you feel better soon smallaxe.
Here is a video, over 10 years old now, of Project Bona Fide
one of the acts we had for the 2nd Independence First rally.
They were an Edinburgh reggae band.
The second number ‘Soldier’ the inclusion of William Wallace on the list of Freedom fighters is down to me and is not on their record.
link to youtube.com
Hi Darlings – I have to attend a meeting on October the 10th in Glasgow anyone prepared to sleep on the sofa so that I can get a decent night’s sleep?
@David Torrance
Got any response to social science and theory in your Big Book of ‘One Nation’ pish?
Fatboy Slim – Weapon Of Choice
link to youtube.com
Wings night out.
Just catching up after a busy few days and notice a night out
is in the offing. I will definitely be there subject to any
unplanned grandpappy duties which may arise. Any date is do-able although an east coast venue(Fife or Dundee?) is preferable.
As per the do in Waxy’s last year I have a lovely certificated bottle of whisky for the raffle.
@Chas Anderson200
That makes a dozen that say they would be attending, thinking was for 2nd weekend in November in Broughty Ferry but things are on hold right now as this may clash with another night around the same time that was planned previously.
Hang fire and all will be clear in the next week or so. Thanks all.
Thanks Alex.
Group Rights in Comparative Constitutional Law: Culture, Economics, or Political Power?
link to oxfordhandbooks.com
Approaches to Political Theory: Normative and Empirical
link to study.com
link to graduateinstitute.ch
Group Rights
link to plato.stanford.edu
link to link.springer.com
@ CameronB
Trying to keep up a bit. With your latest posts on human rights, group rights, etc., I’m now sidetracked and delving into UNPO (Unrepresented Nations & Peoples Organisation.
Interesting stuff – keep it coming 🙂
Betty Boop
Thanks, I’ve got tonnes more like that but I think I’m perhaps posting a bit too much and too quickly (my last post re. Media Theory hasn’t appeared). I’ll try again later. 😉
Wings night out or alternative. I remember stuff being discussed on Saturday but will be somewhere if I can.
@Jock Scot
Glad to hear it, anytime we all spend together is certain to be a good time. Things are still in the mix it seems and I’m awaiting info on further developments.
Good to see you back on Off Topic again, mind no be a stranger 🙂
Hmmmm.
Hint taken. 🙂
William Wallace
Well, go on then, show us your party piece. 🙂
@ CamB
Fir my next trick, I am gonna metamorphosise fae a drunken, halfwitted, buffoon like slug into a philosophising, articulate, enlightened and educated butterfly 🙂
Pished of course 🙂
William Wallace
Again? Never! 😉
Is it possible to gain an insight into taxonomy and epistemology through the medium of punk rock? 🙂
Sorry for teasing RN and I wasn’t meaning to interrogate you in a hostile manner re. your shock over my training. I was genuinely curious.
Johnny Ramone – Bad Reputation
link to youtube.com
I’m not sure if I managed to get the essence of my point across – misnaming a thing can lead to confusion. 🙂
link to culanth.org
link to cambridgeblog.org
A reader’s guide to the “ontological turn” – Part 1
link to somatosphere.net
@BBC in Scotland
Try as hard as you might, Scots who are patriotic to the nation of Scotland, know we are not Nazis. Doesn’t your charter require you to be honest, accurate and impartial. I think your latest slur has almost certainly outed the BBC in Scotland as being in-step with London and the New Right, even to the less observant among us.
Down with this sort of thing!
Social Justice: The Musical – “Punch a Nazi” (ft. Rucka Rucka Ali)
link to youtube.com
@BBC in Scotland
Get a grip, you’re publicly funded!
link to blog.oup.com
Social Justice: 7 Theories of Social Justice – Explained!
link to yourarticlelibrary.com
Social Justice and Rawls’ Difference Principle
link to www1.essex.ac.uk
@BBC in Scotland
It appears that supporting the ‘One Nation’ cult is your top priority.
link to le.ac.uk
Communication Theory
All About Theories for Communication.
Authoritarian Theory
link to communicationtheory.org
link to ndpr.nd.edu
Re. the hypocrisy of BLiS__D. Social justice is unobtainable without the respect of universal human rights. This is the mapped path to universal inclusiveness, social solidarity and a dignified future for humanity, according to the United Nations anyway. BLiS___d have the appearance of rather dim “national socialists”, frankly, and their nation is not Scotland.
Lee Perry and The Upsetters – Justice To The People
link to youtube.com
Thanks a’body for the warm welcome back to the body o’ the Kirk.
CameronB….I will need to read and digest all of that another time! But I will indeed.
Alex, you’re doing us proud organising this, wherever and whenever it takes place. Thank you.
Quinie frae Angus
There’s a fair whack to get through, so hopefully you’ll not feel I’ve wasted your time.
Hi Quinie.
Back again, iye? Did you see what I did to the video?
link to youtube.com
Hi peeps.
We can’t allow those people, you know, “THOSE PEOPLE”, to have the last word on WOS pages…
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Hiya, Quinie,
Waves cheerily…
Here’s a wee challenge fir yiz ah aff topic
Afore abodies thinking becomes quite myopic
a stanza, a couplet or jist free style converse
but each o yiz hiv tae write a verse
Yiv got tae reference the poet afore ye
an kerry on the poem they wrote thee
to get wi started well here’s meh text
let yir inner poet oot, wha’s up next?? 🙂
Reluctant Nationalist
I wouldn’t have minded if you had made any noticeable effort to enlighten the debate.
link to philosophy-of-education.org
Neuroscience of Morality
link to neuroethics.ox.ac.uk
Making lawyers moral? Ethical codes and moral character
link to pure.strath.ac.uk
@ CamB
That disnae rhyme 😉
William Wallace
Sorry William, I’m crap at rhyming and I’m no really in the mood. 😉
Reluctant Nationalist
Of course, ethical approaches to human development and inclusive social integration, are an anathema to the New Right. No?
link to pure.qub.ac.uk
Policy and Practice
A Development Education Review
Peace studies and social change: The role of ethics and human agency
link to developmenteducationreview.com
Moral Obligations To Refugees
link to thecritique.com
Well, here’s mah message Cameron Brodie
Fae the schemes mah friend, the Douglas Toddy
The gemme’s afoot so don’t ignore me
giz a verse or twa and tell yir story. 😉
William Wallace
When I were a lad I played for the Douglas
Following spells at Broughty Athletic and Downfield
Later, I was poached by the Dee Club
And got played totaly out of the game by a pop-star fanny of a half-back
End. 🙂
The Dee club wiz a club eh played fir
And fir the Astoria did eh box
A true Dundonian eh’ll never leave her
Unto myself – a paradox 😉
Great toon o Dundee ye hiv been transformit
Yer verra soul his been reformit
Whither bae smeddum or design
Yer future noo looks michty fine.
Nae mair the mills nar marmalade
And languishes yer screivin trade
Bit innovations noo yer game
And artully ye’ve made yer claim
Ye micht hae lost yer whaling decks
Bit harbour noo mair hailsome techs
The toon that geid the biggest Aye
Climbs Phoenix-like intae the sky
Ye michtna hiv thrice letter jay
Tae welcome fowk intae the Tay
Bit mony’ll come tae spy the chairm
O a toon renewed, lang’s ma airm.
as lang’s ma airm
also innovation’s
Dundonian discourse
in stanza and verse
Should give Off-Topic
A kick up the erse.
Ah’m obliged to say
Wallace’s idea’s a brammer
Jist keep yer eyes peeled
Fir the Rev’s BIG HAMMER!
🙂
Paisley has got
some secret Tories
Who want tae restore
Feegie’s “past glories”.
But the voters said naw
Backing Mhairi and Gav
She’s got the words
He’s got the suave.
@Btrian Montieth
Thanks for confirming your clown status. By undermining the concept of global human rights, you align yourself with the New Right. IMHO, you’re clearly not a moderate individual and you appear not to appreciate the concepts of human “liberty” and “equality”. You’re still stuck in the age of colonial imperialism, old chap.
#Yoonatic
link to gmu.edu
The Tay the Tay the Silvery Tay
Goes down to the sea and comes back the same way
The version I remember was,
The Tay, the Tay, the silvery Tay.
It flows from Perth to Dundee, every day.
Then, of course, the MockGonanagall,
The doos flee in an’ oot, and roonaboot,
The Albert Institute.
Speaking of which…
Around 15-20 years ago,, there were a great number of starlings, who seemed to regard the museum building as ‘home’. You would see them flying about in the early evening, getting their exercise in before settling for the night.
There was also, around the same time, a fair old population of them at Ninewells hospital. These ones were rather gallus and would hop between your feet, whilst you were outside at the smoking area (remember that?), looking for crumbs. They disappeared as well, for some reason.
The major restoration work took place at the museum and the starlings disappeared from there as well. I often wondered where they’d gone.
Onnyhoo, around 3 or 4 years ago, I took a drive down by Riverside one evening after work and parked at the railway station cafe. And what did I find? Among the various species of gulls hingin’ aroon’ there, were a number of starlings. Looks like they’ve taken a taste for the ‘seaside’…
Favourite poet probably, along with Burns. Not that I’m into poetry really.
Yes, there’s a lot of MockGonanagall around, I think that was one.
@William Wallace –
Ah once knew a lass fae Dundee,
But she wisny too happy wi me
Cause she aye wanted kissed
Even when ah wis aw tired an emotional
An that’s how we split up
So it is.
;(
O dearie me. McGonagall. It must have been coming up to a holiday, but one time “out of the blue” our English teacher at school – one of the profession’s finest – read out, nay declaimed, one of the Dundee (alleged) Bard’s great works, with which up to that point I was entirely unfamiliar. I literally laughed so much I cried.
Bless them both!
Here’s one fur ye William Wallace ~ (hope ah get away wae this)
“She will come
He will follow
She will be SO sure tae swallow”
Me, circa 2015.
Ladies.
Alternatively:
“He will come
She will follow
She will be SO sure tae swallow”
Might have been the original, who knows…
Either way, tis all about a happy ending.
Work that one out Wingers! 😉
I wouldn’t want folk to think I’m a petty, under-educated, grievance-monkey, so here’s one for Mr. Montieth and all like-minded Yoonatics. 🙂
Spongebob Squarepants – Doing The Sponge
link to youtube.com
Aweright CameronB Brodie ~
Good tae see ye back on regular duty bud.
I’ll go SO far as saying fucking excellent!
Cheers got ma back bro.
Wednesday nite.
Cactus
If the BritNats actually had a non-ideological argument that could be justified empirically*, ethically and against social-sustainability criteria, I doubt you would be hearing much from me. As it is though, all they have is normative bias and bigotry, so it’s a bit like shooting fish in a barrel mate.
* not KH’s magical economics, more Scotland is a nation awash with natural resources. Another might be England is a different country to Scotland. Or another, that Britain was created through a political ‘union’ that was established through political and economic force, more than three centuries before the plebs got a taste of democracy.
Next vote will be Yes mate, that’s my instinct. 😉
Aye I concur wae ye Cameron ~
Let Scotland be iScotland.
Yes is natural.
A normal IC.
Ola Ole!
ot rules.
Cheers on the hour of ’17.
Scotland.
Wishin ye well Smallaxe bro ~
Ahm due tae visit ye…
When you good?
I am.
@Dave the Whig
If you wish for a neo-enlightenment, clue yourself up on “ethical normative practice”. Hint – you don’t appear to have much of a clue about what “liberty” entails.
Here’s a little something for those wishing to address social injustices, such as structural poverty.
link to raco.cat
Postcolonialism, Power, and ‘the Poor’: What Will Eliminate Global Poverty?
link to e-ir.info
A Postcolonial Approach to Social Science?
link to blogs.lse.ac.uk
link to tandfonline.com
Political Theories of Decolonization Postcolonialism and the Problem of Foundations
link to politics.utoronto.ca
link to cambridge.org
@J.K. Rowling
As you appear to seek social justice, might I suggest you forget all that you think you know, and start again from scratch. Presently, your thinking appears to be bound up in colonial assumptions and racial prejudices embedded in Britain’s political identity. You support Scotland’s democratic deficit and England’s exploitative abuse of Scotland’s natural resources.
One can’t be an agent for progressive social change if one holds to the values you wish to change. It’s not too late for you to support liberty, equality and social justice for Scotland. All it takes is an open heart and mind.
link to rowman.com
@J.K. Rowling
Free thinking Scots do not appreciate being treated as “Children of Ham”.
link to epm.org
link to youtube.com
I see we’re doing poetry tonight so I started a couple. Problem is I’ll have to finish them at some point. They tend to lurk on my computer annoying me till I do so.
Here we go
The Union Jack is a wondrous thing
Makes some folks cry,some folks sing
But as we danced and sang with Harry Lauder
It came for our sons for cannon fodder
and
The wondrous thing aboot a big Glesga doll
Eating her chips pressed agin the wall
Doesn’t scan quite right. Work to do.
I hope to have Lesley Riddoch for af ew minutes tomorrow night on my Roundabout Show at 7pm on Argyll Independent Radio
link to hbs.edu
Bounded rationality
link to behavioraleconomics.com
Unbounded Rationality & Its Consequences
link to thebigquestions.com
Oops.
link to bigthink.com
Many have advocated buying produce from Lidl/Aldi, a part of that being to do with packaging having the saltire on it. Check out the Guardian’s main story about the second largest ‘producer’ of chicken in the UK. In the film which shows the flaunting of just about all safety aspects including changing of ‘use by’ dates, altering of ‘source’ where chickens have been slaughtered (which is an essential necessity in terms of food scares) and the repackaging of returned chicken.
In the clip they show empty Lidl packaging with the saltire on it, i.e. it’s for Lidl in Scottish branches, at the end of the line of production they had removed these returned Lidl contents and placed them in Tesco’s ‘Willow’ brand packaging, with new ‘use by dates’.
If they are doing it with one brand they are doing it with all of them. Which means every single piece of chicken being sold in all the big supermarkets are in fact suspect. Don’t trust the labels, don’t trust the packaging and do trust that if there is a corner to cut these utter bastards will do it. They care nothing about our safety or our health.
There is no such thing as ‘Lidl’ chicken or Lidl and Aldi or Tesco or M&S. There is only a corrupt profit making industry wherein they will lie and kill to make a profit and they don’t care how they do it. They have conned people for years with this shit and they are now doing it on an industrial scale. No fucking wonder people are getting sicker and sicker with the food we are being sold.
Buyer Beware.
They have successfully destroyed the human food chain.
Time for some de Bono-esque, idea associative brain storming (with a smile)
Nick Robinson. Robinson?, Robinson?.
Swiss Family Robinson, Swizz Families Robinson
Robinson Cruso, Robinson Untrueso
Survival on Desert Islands, Bear Grylls
Celebrity TV, Silly Berty TV
OK, thaty should be enough for a potential solution kernel, let’s go with that.
What solution does that suggest?
Got it.
We get Bear Grylls to persuade all Westminster ‘celebrity’ politicians and BBC ‘celebrity’ journalists that the only way they can recover their shattered credibility is to do a televised survival stint on an island of his choosing.
Except that, like the one in the Hebrides, it doesn’t get televised and there is no voting off the island.
Solution found. Good old de Bono.
Or alternatively, the viewing public, could vote them ON to ‘Silly Berty Island’ to increase viewer satisfaction levels.
Lesley Riddoch is a the Burgh hall in Dunoon tonight expressing her thoughts about a possible Nordic future for Scotland and then over for a chat to the Forward Shop
I hope to have her on my Roundabout show for a minute or two on the online Argyll Independent Radio sometime after 7 PM.
Hey folks, I’m in for whatever date you want to go for, for the next do!
My preference would be asap, as there’s a few interesting potential projects that I’d like to discuss 😀
What’s the deal with the location? Is it public transport friendly or are we looking at an overnighter?
Don’t buy processed chicken, buy a whole one & save cash!
Cheers Alex.
Appreciate that. Hopefully, ‘Now is the time’ so hope to make regular contributions.
Sorry Rev., I got caught up in the conversation.
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IMHO, the independence movement needs to understand itself better, if it hopes to stop the BBC and the BUM linking us with fasist wanks.
link to tutor2u.net
Cultural Nationalism in India
link to omicsonline.org
Civic Nationalism & Ethnic Nationalism
link to msu.edu
And make soup, Fred, like my chicken and rice broth.
It’s pretty fowl.
😛
P.S. I see Cultural nationalism as both a powerful string in our bow and as a means to an end.
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
Cockaleekie Tinto? pass the Tena pads!
Tinto, U know how it would upset Rock if U gave us the recipe, so shoot Bro!
Hope U have the garlic therein?
I’m too young and lovely, Fred, for those, thanks.
Besides, they’re too chewy and add little flavour.
I’ve gone off garlic, Fred, actually. I hate the smell of it now off garlic-eaters, although wild garlic soup is nice in the spring. Think it’s an age thing…..
Annoy Rock with my recipe? simplicity itself:
Stock from boiled chicken, grated and chopped carrots, finely-chopped onion chopped leeks, basmati rice, palt and sepper.
Not as good as Nana’s but ok with oatcakes.
@K1 –
Ah hear ye.
Dinnae ken if any of you lads/lasses dae a bit o gaming or what but, eh like meh futba gemmes. Bought Fifa 18 the day and eh aywiz play wi Scotland every year in online seasons mode.
Last years Fifa had a lot of saltires wi the royal banner through it but the year afore was mainly proper saltires. This year (ah meh matches so far have been away gemmes) eh hiv no seen a single saltire in the crowd.
Dinnae ken if we are getting airbrushed oot o history here or what.
@ K1
Eh might hiv been guilty o advocating Lidls as an alternative to the big players in the past like but, I firmly believe that we need to return to small scale, sustainable and ethical food production.
Supporting small scale farmers and local allotment producers is the way forward for an independent Scotland IMHO.
Can I suggest folk bookmark this site?
link to tutor2u.net
Naught like a nice chook fresh from gorging on elderberries with a wee sauce of the same berries.
Ruglonian, another one on the list! Look forward to seeing you.
@ CamB
It still disnae rhyme. 🙂
Nae offence bud cause it’s really interesting and ah that but, believe it or no, eh hiv looked into post-colonialism. Pished of course. 🙂
Sometimes the academic nature of a particular subject loses relevance in a modern and evolving context.
Marxist claims that nations are a false consciousness designed by our colonial overlords for example. Pile of shite right? Eh feel Scottish, therefore I am. Naebody designed that state of being fir me, except me. 🙂 😉
William Wallace
I told you I can’t rhyme and none taken William. Post-colonialism is a pretty large body of thought that has had a significant impact on the humanities and global politics. Also, not all the readers are paradoxes fae Dundee. 🙂
Cheers Cearc, looking forward to seeing you again too, it’s been ages!
Hopefully the whole gang will make it along to this one and a lurker or two of course, our Paula needs a new face to spoil 🙂
If eh can adapt tae yir philosophical weys then you can pit a wee ditty the gither. 😉 Are yi scared o big bad Stu’s hammers lol? 🙂
I’m not sure if I’ve reached peak-flow yet, frankly. 🙂
I wonder of David Torrance has anything to say about the post-colonial?
Post colonial Theory: “Nationalism” and “Imperialism”
link to slideshare.net
Making and Protecting the Nation in Postcolonial and Postcommunist States
II. Postcolonial Nationalism
link to press.umich.edu
W.B. Yeats: Irish Nationalism and Post-Colonial Theory
link to jstor.org
William Wallace
Gonnae no? I’ll get a beamer. 🙂
@ Cam B
How? 🙂
William Wallace
Will this do you?
“And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by” – Captain James T Kirk
link to youtube.com
link to poetryfoundation.org
@ Cam B
Did you miss the chewing the fat reference there? I thought you were setting me up to finish it aff.
William Wallace
How?
Sounds braw Tinto!
Neil Oliver appointed as president of Scotland’s National Trust? The Yoon has BritNat mince for brains. Someone’s having a fucking laugh at the expense of Scotland’s cultural heritage.
link to sussex.ac.uk
link to thewestnetwork.files.wordpress.com
link to tandfonline.com
@Neil Oliver
Do you feel the hand of Scotland’s BritNat destiny on your shoulder?
link to upenn.edu
@ CamB
“Gonnae No”
How? 🙂
link to youtube.com
Apologies if I was a bit rude last night. Your links are certainly interesting but, a little heavy going at times trying to wade through them.
@Neil Oliver
I’m stunned that you were considered an ethical selection, though I suppose that’s Yoon normativity for you. Can you honestly claim that your politics don’t undermine the principle of universal human rights?
link to studiegids.leidenuniv.nl
Identity, Nationalism, and Cultural Heritage under Siege
link to brill.com
Reframing Heritage as Movement
link to su.se
William Wallace
Gonnae No. 🙂
@ CamB
How? 😉
William Wallace
Have I taken that too far? 🙂
@ CamB
Oooooohhhhh the banter 😉
Set phasors tae malky.
Still not a patch on other patter-merchants among us, William.
Hope you’re well Smallaxe.
Trojan presents Roots
link to youtube.com
@ CamB
Eh ken. Just trying to lighten the mood and keep Aff-Topic trundling alang. There are better comedians on here fir sure.
Ditto on the smallaxe comment. Haste ye back Sma.
I’m trying not to be too dry and I’m not knocking your patter William. Anyway, back to yoonatics spraffin’ mince.
Re. Neil Oliver and authentic Scottish identity.
link to youtube.com
@Scottish National Trust
Your practice is appalling, frankly!
link to caae.phil.cmu.edu
IMHO, the National Trust for Scotland’s appointment of ultra-yoon and ‘One Nation’ cult devote, Neil Oliver, has the potential to undermine Scotland’s national character and identity. This is what contemporary BritNat cultural imperialism looks like folks.
link to eis.bris.ac.uk
Building the normative dimension(s) of a global polity
link to www2.warwick.ac.uk
Personal Identity and Ethics
link to plato.stanford.edu
Love can not survive an absence of universal human rights, especially when bound under a paradigm of Anglo-American neo-liberalism aligned with the Anglo-American New Right.
Ken Boothe – Look what you’ve done for me
link to youtube.com
Neil Oliver, you utter fraud and massive Massey-Ferguson, it’s behind you:
link to youtube.com
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!
I would resign from the NTS but I did that years ago. It’s a tax-dodge for the rich serviced by ghastly wee, twee, bourgeois women in twin-sets who would never vote Yes in a million years but Love The Laird and loathe the sweaty proles who pass through the shop.
*feels better now*
Hi folks, just off tae bed as I’ve been struggling a’ week wi the lurgy.
Smallaxe, I hope that you are doing a bit better. I see that you’re still missing from the thread.
Good Luck Catalonia, I’m very worried for all of you tomorrow in view of the Spanish Government actions. Stay safe folks, and it’s to be hoped that there will be no bloodshed, but I have a very bad feeling of dread around all of this.
Marie: two fingers of malt will repel the dreaded lurgy. Look after yourself.
I’m trying to be optimistic for tomorrow. Barcelona is a great city and I wish Catalunya all the best.
link to youtube.com
@Alex Cole-Hamilton MSP (LibDum)
Forget universal street lighting for a minute, do you support the principle of universal human rights?
#perspective #RightToDevelopment
Looks like the Ferry for a meet might be back on then!
Broughty Ferry Nov 11, So far there is a dozen names:
CameronB Brodie
Liz g
Brian Doonthetoon
Alex Clark
Cactus
yesbot
cearc
Quine frae Angus
Ian Brotherhood (50/50)
William Wallace (50/50)
Paula Rose
Chas Anderson200
Anyone else?
Don’t forget me Alex
Gonnae wake me up, when September ends…
Well whaddya know, we’ve arrived.
October ’17.
30 days.
Why do BritNat ‘socialists’ like Duncan H., support colonial practice?
link to jacobinmag.com
link to openaccess.city.ac.uk
link to scholarworks.iu.edu
Fuck the machine, including ‘internationalist’ Marxists complicit in colonial practice.
link to sk.sagepub.com
link to journals.sagepub.com
link to ijllnet.com
N.B. The Anglo-American New Right aims to re-establish a patriarchal society shaped around Christian fundamentalism and ‘traditional’ values. Knob-ends like Duncan H. align themselves with the New Right, through their support of colonial practice and the ‘One Nation’ ideology/cult.
For the death of democracy in Spain:
link to youtube.com
Courage, Catalunya.
@Tom Harris
It is clear you neither understand nor support the principle of universal human rights. Instead, you support colonialism!
#BritNat #fascistfriendly
@Duncan Hothersall
You appear to have your head on upside-down.
link to ethicalrealism.wordpress.com
Facts and moral values
link to philosophy.hku.hk
Values, Virtues, and the Language of Morality
link to telospress.com
@Duncan Hothersall
Desperate to show the world you’re lack of insight?
link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
The Natural Logic of Morals and of Laws
link to ase.tufts.edu
Unethical Laws and Lawless Ethics: Right and Virtue in Kant’s Rechtslehre
link to de-ethica.com
@Paul Sweeney MP (British Labour)
Re. Bourgeoisie nationalism and class struggle. Don’t you not appreciate your out-of-date politics are part of the colonialist, imperialist, social construct? Not a good look for one who wishes to shape public policy so as to benefit the oppressed.
link to isreview.org
link to postcolonial.org
link to scientificterrapin.umd.edu
link to youtube.com
@Ruglonian
Got you now Gillian and glad to have you. Jock Scott are you going to make it?
Don’t think I’ve posted a tune for a while so I’ll make it this one. Trying to stay on topic you understand.
link to youtube.com
@Tinto Chiel
Excuse my ignorance, just clicked on your link and it means a lot. I love it. Thank you TC that is how I feel too.
Sorry for being so dry but these are pretty serious times and level heads are needed. Saying that, does the corporate media reflect experienced life?
link to nea.org
link to igi-global.com
Development Communication and Social Change by Professor Srinivas Melkote
link to youtube.com
“There’s another way to survive — mutual trust and help.” – Captain James T Kirk
I know I can go on a bit, so sorry for taking up so much space.
Tino Chiel -I would resign from the NTS but I did that years ago. It’s a tax-dodge for the rich serviced by ghastly wee, twee, bourgeois women in twin-sets who would never vote Yes in a million years but Love The Laird and loathe the sweaty proles who pass through the shop.
Glad to have my suspicions confirmed.
There are a few other organisations in Scotland I would add to that list – wouldn’t vote YES in a million years. (they usually have National or Royal attached) and always have Conservatives and Unionists at the helm.
@ CamB
At least you fill it wi interesting shite eh 😉 What else is space fir?
William Wallace
I’ve been following the days’ events on twitter William, and caught some BBC coverage on BBC1 (approx. 9-10pm-ish). The report didn’t highlight much serious physical injury and there appeared to be very little bloodshed throughout the day. I was a bit disappointed, frankly. 😉
Cameron – I just wish I had the brain for all the ‘input’ – I ain’t no ‘Johnny Five’. But truly admire those who are.
Shinty
I’m surprising myself mate, I didn’t know I still had it in me. 🙂
@ CamB
Did ye aye 😉
I spent the day greeting and the night planning. Never again.
William Wallace
Sorry mate, you should have just butted in. 😉
@ CamB
Last time I interrupted the teacher I got a detention and a hundred lines. 😉
You’re desperate to give me a beamer William, thank you. 😉
Do not mistake desperation for evil intent Cam 😉
I’m Scottish, living in Scotland. I think I recognise desperation and evil intent when I see them William. 🙂
@ Cam B
Then pit yir glasses on so you can see clearly 🙂
On that note, night, night mate.
The Prisoners – Joe 90 theme
link to youtube.com
GN Cam.
Might hae to join ya.
Mah ain bed mind 🙂
Hi folks.
Been up far too long. What a day. So proud of Catalonia. And so upset too. None of that should happened. So many people hurt and abused. This is a day that will change the world again. Another shift in what we thought was normal or could ever happen. That was horrendous.
But they won =)
What a battle. And the People of Catalonia won 🙂
Think I need to curl up quietly and cry for a while though.
Peace and love folks x. That’s what we need right now.
Alex C: my pleasure. It’s for the oppressed everywhere, that one, and he had a great voice.
CBB and WW: keep it going.
“Glad to have my suspicions confirmed.”
I’m biased, mind, Shinty. I resigned when they tried to charge my family for visiting a property in the Lake District despite my Scottish membership but the whole organisation is deeply suspect imho, mostly suck-ups to the gentry, as you say.
A pity ‘cos I like Culzean: still sneak in from the Maidens side sometimes, heeheehee.
A song for Ghillie…
link to youtube.com
Alex, it’s a bit far away to know what I’ll be working but I’ll be there if I can.
@Duncan Hothersall
Given the PM’s indication that she supports democratic liberty, shall we continue with your deprogramming from the ‘One Nation’ cult?
link to sussex.ac.uk
link to link.springer.com
link to tandfonline.com
Here’s one for Dunc and the Internationale of confederated Yoonatics. 😉
Elvis Presley – Fools Rush In (Where Angels Fear To Tread)
link to youtube.com
Any word of Smallaxe folks? Hope he’s not at the Tory conference causing bother?
Yoonatics such as Torcuil Crichton, who appear to think the 2014 indyref bore sufficient resemblance to a democratic process, to be considered the will of the people. The BBC and assorted BritNat media dominated folks’ world view, to the extent that Scots voted for English hegemony over Scotland. Go figure.
link to uvm.edu
link to muse.jhu.edu
link to journals.uchicago.edu
Having watched various videos of events in Catalonia, some thoughts on what I saw.
The ordinary people seen were exactly that, ordinary. They were not rioters, nor Black Blocs, nor ‘agitators’. We can be sure of this because no-one was wearing motorbike helmets, or masks, and neither were they carrying weapons (eg sticks, bottles, bricks).
The people were not ‘tooled up’ for a fight.
The people were not out on the streets for the purpose of fighting with the police. They were there to vote.
The people kept their heads, kept their cool, even in the midst of extreme provocation from the Guardia Civil police.
Some of the police firing rubber bullets appeared to be illegally shooting at people who were too close, under the minimum firing range – most such weapons are recommended to be used at distances greater than 20 or 40 metres, to avoid risk of death.
There were many pictures of people with head wounds, why was this when surely baton hits and rubber bullet strikes are intended to AVOID the head? (Due to risk of serious injury.)
Well done to the firemen for attempting to stand between the people and the police. Disgraceful that the police had no qualms about getting stuck in to the firemen.
Well done to the local, Catalonian police, Mossos d’Esquadra, for also standing in harm’s way and trying to stop the riot police getting too violent.
In return, in one video, the riot police started in on a Mossos officer, but the people saw this, got outraged and instantly stepped forward to help him out. It was a truly touching moment. Solidarity goes both ways.
Madrid chose to to turn a vote into a battle, what a stupid tactic from Rajoy. State violence is the default setting for fascists, their ‘go-to’ plan.
The Spanish state won the battle, but they will lose the war.
P.S. On the thug in a police uniform who broke a woman’s fingers –
I was taught when playing rugby that if an opponent had hold of the ball in a ruck, you could pull or peel their fingers off it. But you always, always, had to do this slowly enough that they had the option to let go of the ball, to concede it to you. This uniformed bully did not give the poor woman a chance. Nasty behaviour, totally unnecessary, and it will probably ensure more Catalonians shift from neutral to supporting independence.
Play it loud for Catalonia!
Judas Priest – Breaking The Law
link to youtube.com
Play it loud for Scottish (We put the ‘less’ in ‘spineless’) Labour:
The Clash – I fought the law (and the law won)
link to youtube.com
Tinto Chiel @ 11.27 am =)
Thank you, that helped x
Fred @ 1.34
I’ve been wondering about how Smallaxe is doing too.
Anyone heard anything?
Will try,to mind and ask Nana in the morning.
In the meantime if you are managing to read this Smallaxe,we are thinking of you and Mrs Smallaxe often, and sending to you both love and strength…haste ye back my friend X
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
Going to listen to the music of the spheres now.
Goodnight all.
Just spent a great weekend in the Borders and met a mate of mine, Smallaxe. He’s doing as well as could be expected and I love him to bits LOL.
He’s a great guy and so is is his missus. They wish you all the best and send hugs and kisses your way. Believe me they do genuinely send those hugs and kisses.
I doubt he’ll be reading at the minute but I’ll play a song for him, well not really a song LOL. I just love Blazing Saddles!
link to youtube.com
@Tinto Chiel
Just class. Ta 🙂
@Cactus
Just read your link on the main thread. Great minds think alike LOL
Brazil’s Globo TV evening news programme just showed a report on events in Catalonia, with pics of a big crowd today in (I think) Barcelona.
Very proud, very joyful to see a someone there wearing a Saltire on his shoulders. Well done that redheaded man! 🙂
Alex Clark @ 12.01
Thanks for the update about Smallaxe Alex.
All those hugs and kisses right back at the Smallaxes XX
Fuck, looks like one bottle of barefoot merlot blue label wine and 4 chilled beers of Miller wisnae enough, ach well, still is the night…
Ach well, there’s always the morning…
There’s always Tuesday.
Have FUN!
@Owen Jones
In what way do you understand the context of late-postmodern political economy? What efforts have you made to place your thoughts outwith the context of your cultural heritage? Are you sure you support the concept of universal human rights? I have my doubts, tbh.
link to sussex.ac.uk
IT. HAS. INDEED. BEEN. SIX. FUCKING. YEARS.
CHEERS. BOSS. STU.
BIGTIME.
@Owen Jones
This might help you better understand the concept of diversity. That way you might appreciate your error in supporting contemporary British nationalism.
You do appreciate that Britain is an ideological construct, the product of 18th century political agency that lacked popular mandate? Where is the civic bond between 21st century Scotland and England? All I see is English totalitarian authoritarianism.
link to cookross.com
#DemocraticDeficit #RightToDevelopment
@ Cactus (MT) 11:58 pm
Come in William Wallace…
How’s yer embryo?
Ahm aff it 😉
link to youtube.com
We’ll hae to synchronise wir activities and prop up the virtual wings bar fir maximum carnage 😉
@ Liz
I’ll be speaking to Smallaxe tomorrow, will pass on your good wishes.
Thanks for the bulletin on Smallaxe, Alex. The place isn’t the same without him and I miss his total madness.
Get well soon, divine Seer of Sark! And love to your fambly.
Cactus: glad to see your cutting back on the old sauce 😛
“you’re”, obvs.
Doing fifty lines and listening to this:
link to youtube.com
Thanks guys anent the Smallaxe situation. @ Nana, many thanks for the Ruth Davidson expose from politicsscotland. Got the bitch bang to rights!
Nana @ 9.52
That would be great Nana thank you very much.
Hope you are looking after yourself as well.
All the best Smallaxe.
Tommy McCook – Freedom Sounds
link to youtube.com
Why do BritNats deny Scots denied access to their inalienable human “Right to Development”?
N.B. “Scientific racism” is colourblind and is rooted in social Darwinism.
Senior Soul – Is It Because I’m Black
link to youtube.com
Fae one rebel tae another.
link to youtube.com
Missing yir presence Sma Axe.
@GMB
You don’t appear to respond well to change or appreciate the risks of fracking.
link to documents.worldbank.org
@William Wallace
Good choice Wullie, Smallaxe gave me a Jamaican 5 cent coin yesterday which looks like a 50p piece. Unfortunately it’s only worth about 1p.
I think it might have been for luck rather than cashing in 🙂
Re. fracking.
link to propublica.org
Can anyone tell me the significance of the Catalans with their 4 fingered salute (thumbs well tucked in) Noticed it in quite a few videos and have no idea what it means.
Very prominent with the brave woman continuing to vote after receiving a serious black eye from the Spanish barstewards. (see Wings twitter)
link to youtube.com
Not sure, Shinty, but the flag of Catalunya has four horizontal stripes on a yellow field.
That should be RED stripes, obvs.
Still have a touch of Radio4itis…
@ Alex
Tis a fitting Song for a true SoulJah 🙂
(Better version) link to youtube.com
If it’s been blessed by the man himself, I’m sure it’ll bring you plenty. 😉
Place seems affy quiet withoot him tbh. Withoot meaning to pry, are we likely to see him back on anytime soon?
Evening all ~
Fired up and raring tae go, see y’all on the main thread a bit later on.
Mon the Catalonia!
Tino Chiel – I get it now, it’s the difference between the Senyera and Estelada.
Cheers
Tinto – sorry
I bought a big estelada recently, Shinty but don’t have a flag pole yet in my back garden.
Would love to go back to Barcelona: my daughter deleted all the foaties on my camera on our return in 2012 by mistake.
The young are so much better than us with modern technology, hem, hem.
Re. the The Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson. The man’s an appauling racist, IMHO, and I suspect he’s also a social Darwinist. Scientific racism is rooted in social Darwinism.
link to randompublicjournal.com
Is Nationalism Racist?
link to patheos.com
link to blogs.lse.ac.uk
Sorry Darlings been very busy elsewhere could you all tidy the place up please I’m expecting visitors.
Hid mine on the pole fir months 😉 Usually alternate atween the Saltire, Estelada and the wings flag. They rotate atween the upstairs windae and the flag pole but I felt the Estelada deserved pride o place in the run up to indyref 2017.
To finish it aff, Eh’ve saltire buntin (season 2 episode 8 😉 – (where’s mah buntin lol) doon the back fence and a camper van full o yes and scotland stickers.
Eh’ll hae ti dae the late night tour o the ootside o the property 🙂 Pished of course 🙂
Response tae TC above, obviously 😉
Scotland wi a capital S. Jesus wept! Eh can handle any typos but, forgetting tae capitalise meh ain country is unforgivable.
link to blogs.bath.ac.uk
Ideologies, Racism, Discourse: Debates on Immigration and Ethnic Issue
link to citeseerx.ist.psu.edu
link to centres.exeter.ac.uk
@ Paula
Sorry but we turned the place into a lads pad in yir absence and Cactus sold the hoover fir a crate o Tennents. Dishes are unwashed or in the bin, the bog is overflowing and there is fag burns on the couch. Squatters appear to have moved in tae.
Some mad barsteward has wrote “Good Perty” on the front windae in purple lipstick and somebody else left wi the microwave saying ” I think you’ll find I brought this wi me and I don’t care for the accusation”.
Oh eh and wi need a new front door. 🙂
Put simply, British nationalism is not a healthy disposition. Moderate Scots should take note.
link to www2.warwick.ac.uk
The Ideologies of Imperialism
link to learner.org
English nationalism vs British nationalism
link to opendemocracy.net
@ CamB
“major SDL” Demos?
Is that when twa cunts turned up? 😉
That’s the one, no, sorry, two. 😉
@ CamB
Olly and his mate again eh? 😉
I’m quietly confident of iScotland’s cultural identity William. 🙂
Memory Lane
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@ CamB
Memory lane ya say? North side 🙂
link to youtube.com
Burp!
Impressive flaggery, WW, but I’ll raise you the Sicilian one, the Trinacria with the gorgon’s head in the middle, or, as it’s known in Palermo, “The Ruth Davidson”. Always gets the neighbours talking.
Great sense of humour, the Sicilians.
Sorry about this, PR.
*Runs in with HD Marigolds and bleach*
Very good indeed Tinto, I’ve a mate who lives at a station on the sooth-side & hangs his “Ruth Davidson Talks Shite!” T shirt on the line for the edification of the passing commute! 🙂
Nightshift been busy! will raise youse a “Laphraoig Quarter Cask!”
Burpin’ out.
Sleep easy, work hard people. Ah’ve done ma time.
Do it for your country.
Until later.
Zzzzz.
Would your friend live near the Cathcart Circle by any chance, Fred?
Before I became a superannuated layabout and metrosexual fashion icon, I worked in an institution where political symbols were banned, particularly during the Yes campaign.
Since I didn’t really give a Carmichael for such a policy, I wore my wee enamel Senyera badge to work one day. It was spotted quickly by one eagle-eyed boss, who was called Frau Flick behind her back.
“Is that the flag of Spain (sic) or something?” she enquired.
“Oh, no, it’s Partick Thistle.”
Good job our management were as badly edumacatit as they were incompetent.
It’s a funny old game, Saint.
🙂
Theresa May channelling her inner Bob Fleming during her speech:
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Tinto, Oot tae Paisley Canal or somewhere, not familiar with them perts! Terra Incognita I’m afraid!
Theresa will be needing a bit of TLC from Arthur Askey tonight eh?
Stop that singing you lot and get on with the hoovering and doing the dishes…
link to youtube.com
Yes, lands west of the Cart are a problem for me too, Fred.
Rather concerned I won’t get this gaff cleaned before Paula’s poncey “visitors” turn up. There’s four Aberlour bottles down the shunkie, the snib’s broken on the bog door, more fag ends in her palm pots and some strange stains (!) on the lounge carpet.
WW and Cactus strangely quiet I notice…
Oh, well, mustn’t grumble: better get on…
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Cactus and Smallaxe have been patrolling the border all night repelling insurgents and I am pleased to report there have been no breaches to the border.
We have declared Gretna a sovereign nation cough cough, Peace Always!
🙂
Are friends electric?
link to youtube.com
Answers on a cough sweetie, please.
😎
Good morning, Tinto. 🙂
Jimmy Cliff: “Peace”
link to youtube.com
Smallaxe/Supreme Leader of The Gretna Republic: welcome back, old fruit. Could you bring up two spare bog-brushes and a nadgering-iron? There’s some goat damage in Paula R’s smoke-house.
Hope the old lungs are firing on all cylinders now.
Pass the Covonia, Treeza.
Well well so now we know where Smallaxe has been, out on patrol!
Good to see you Smallaxe! Take care and watch that Cactus fella.
Oh and Smallaxe do not under any circumstances bring back any goat related products for Tinto. I’m getting rather concerned about him, worried the media may get wind of his activities and we don’t want that sort of publicity.
Keep taking the tablets Mr Chiel.
Hi, Tinto, Cactus arrived yesterday morning and it’s been chaos ever since we’re considering an invasion of the Lake District to turn the lakes back into lochs and the land back to Bens and Glens.
Scotland ya bass!
We won’t back down
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Good morning, Nana, from Cactus and me, Tinto’s out of luck I’m afraid, we had the last goat in a curry last night!
No Pasaran!
“I Won’t be Part of It”
link to youtube.com
😎
Has Cactus got his claymore out the thatch again, Smallaxe? I hope he’s not leading you astray, that boy. Get him to give you a song, that usually works.
Nana: I assure you I am a man of probity and rectitude. Nadgering comes firmly within the terms of the expression “Animal Husbandry”.
*Mad Frankie Fraser voice*
“Oi nevva dahn nuffink, innit?”
Great to see you back Smallaxe. I will reply to your email real soon. Sorry it has taken me so long. All the best from Edinburgh my Friend.
Here’s a short wee video to give us all a laugh. A thief barges in to what he thinks is a dance studio, but unluckily for him the jiu-jitsu class is in session…
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“Come cock up your beaver & mak it look frush, we’ll ower the border & gie them a Brush!” No tittering at the back there!
Mebbes Burns, mebbes no!
Fred, your double entendres are pure bringing down the tone on O/T.
Remember, Miss Rose may pop in at any time.
Micheal McCabe;
Hi, Michael, no worries about the email, my friend, I hope you’re keeping well and looking after yourself.
Randy Newman;
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@Smallaxe –
Great to see you back again.
😉
Anyone interested in going to Glasgow on Monday for demo in support of Catalonia?
I’m not saying I’m definitely going btw, just sounding out interest.
😉
@ TC 8:52
It wisnae me 😉
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Still wisnae me
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Great to see ya up and aboot Sma. Ya hid me worried there.
Your second clip made me quite sad, WW, until I realised Yessers are much better looking than the opposition. All the miserable gits seem to be on their side.
IanB: will run it past The Home Secretary re “Possible Monday”.
@ TC
It’s the same whenever you bump into Yoons and OO types in Scotland tae. There is never a love of anything in their eyes but, there is a lot of hatred and that shows in their faces. That’s why we are a bonnier bunch than them. They hate and we love. 🙂
“They hate and we love. ?”
…and have fantastic bone structure, of course WW.
*Stares lovingly at mirror*
Incidentally, there is a “Wallace’s Cave” near me which seems to have real substance to the claim, unlike others. It’s pretty inaccessible, situated in the side of a steep, wooded wee glen with a burn at the bottom. There was an article in the local rag a few years ago which was deliberately vague in case it attracted the attention of al fresco boozers/seekers after houghmagandy, etc but the researcher seemed to know his stuff.
Wallace was an amazing man who seemed to get around an awful lot of Scotland for the cause. When you think of what he gave up for his country, putting a wee cross in the right box doesn’t seem too much to ask does it?
@TC –
‘…putting a wee cross in the right box doesn’t seem too much to ask, does it?’
Aye, indeed. Unfortunately for some who don’t know it yet, the coming days and weeks will almost certainly result in serious injury and possible fatalities. We’ll get very detailed coverage and close-ups of what happens to innocent bystanders as well as the ‘rebels’.
Those who turned a blind eye to what happened in ‘George’ Square on Sep 19th 2014 (or dismissed it all as an unfortunate ‘clash’ of activists) will, perhaps, find it slightly more difficult to ignore the events which are about to unfold. I for one hope they feel suitably ashamed of their wilfully selfish ignorance.
Ian Brotherhood;
Hi, little brother, thanks’ for the welcome back (again). I intended to take a longer break but the bold Cactus turned up at my door and crashed here for the night (most enjoyable) and now I’m absolutely shattered so I will probably sleep for the next couple of days. I will be on and off infrequently for a while before I’m back to normal. Cactus has left the building! 🙂
I have several visits from Wingers over the past few weeks as you know and I’m hoping that you and you’re wife will take a run down here before Christmas if you can manage it. We will make arrangements to have dinner and a good catch up with each other if you’re up for it.
I hope you and the family are good, tell Aiden that I was asking after him and hope he is still doing well as a working man. 🙂
Meanwhile, Peacefully, as Always;
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To all on off-topic; (especially the beautiful, attractive, elegant, chic, stylish, fashionista’s, Tinto Chiel and Paula Rose
Chris Brown:”Beautiful People”
link to youtube.com
Everywhere everywhere
Everywhere I go
Everywhere that I’ve been
The only thing I see is
Is beautiful people
No, we won’t say no
Beautiful people don’t stress
They never rest
Beautiful people say YES!
😎
William Wallace;
Hi, Will, anent your post at 3:03, I have always said that some people get the face that they deserve and I find that people who carry hatred have never known real love, for this reason, I believe they are to be pitied.
“Give me Love”
link to youtube.com
@ TC
“putting a wee cross in the right box doesn’t seem too much to ask does it?”
After the struggles that our forefathers/mothers endured, it is an affront to their legacy that we did not do it in sufficient numbers last time around.
When the opportunity once again presents itself, then out of respect for those who endured the struggles of our past and on behalf of future generations in Scotland, we must not make that mistake again.
@ Ian
Like yourself, I am deeply concerned about how this is going to play out. There was something of an implied threat of more violence in “Franco” Rajoy’s recent statement.
@ Sma
Couldn’t agree more.
Those that hate have never known love and every face tells it’s own story.
Best o luck to Scotland in the futba the night. Awa to watch the match build up. Would love to make it to a major final. It’s been way too lang.
Ian, if there is blood on the tracks in Catalunya, the lack of condemnation of state violence from the EU will come back to haunt them, and I speak as a fan of the European Project. The violence was completely disproportionate and for what? “Putting a cross in the right box”? Spain could easily have ignored it and kept some dignity, but we can see Franco casts a long shadow.
@WW: amen to that. Enjoy the fitba’. I’m at my daughter’s and have almost thrown a polystyrene brick at Willie Miller and Weetabix Heid MacPherson on VichyVision: in them The Cringe is Strong.
“(Especially the beautiful, attractive, elegant, chic, stylish, fashionista’s, Tinto Chiel and Paula Rose)”
Pure love ya man, Smallaxe *blubs uncontrollably like a big gurly*. Wish I had her pins…
Take a good rest, old fruit, and get back on here for next week. Something tells me it will be momentous.
Cuuuuuummmmmmmooooooon Scotland !!!!!
Keep the dream alive.
@ Ian Brotherhood
Re: Glasgow, Monday
I might go. I have to go to Ayr, unless I do that on Saturday, so it depends when I finish and what mode of transport is most sensible.
The Square at 5pm?
Has ANYONE managed to find a free web stream of the Scotland/Slovakia game, that doesn’t have the video obscured by umpteen ads, and doesn’t require a credit card – “just to prove you are you; we won’t charge. honest!”?
Wiv only gone and done it.
Mon Scotland 🙂 🙂 🙂
@WW, TC et al –
Couldn’t take the tension, left the house with 7 mins left, then they scored and I started greetin’ like a wean. As luck would have it I was just at the Morrison’s when the final whistle was blown so I went in and purchased 2.5 litres of their finest cider.
Kismet?
It’s a funny auld game right enough TC.
Slainte!
😉
@ Ian
Meh nails are bit tae the quick. No prayed like that since eh wiz in Sunday Skale as a nipper. There is indeed a God 🙂 Any excuse fir a few beers fir me and that certainly warrants a wee swally 😉
@ Brian
Eh ken a wee place that usually comes up trumps wi the streams but, eh cannae post it on Stu’s site as it could potentially get him in bather.
If yir needing a link fir Sundays gemme drap iz an email. It’s listed further up somewhere fae a couple o weeks ago. You’ll need an adblocker fir it though.
Gonna hae ti fire the fifa up and hand oot a few drubbings wi Scotland online 😉
@WW –
Same here with the nails. That’s always mystified me – why do we bite our nails when we’re stressed? You’d imagine nails would be useful for hanging on to cliffs or scratching at attackers etc.
Ours is not to reason why…
We can still find a way to fuck it up on Sunday, but I’m too bushed to imagine what it might entail.
😉
IanB and WW: previous comment has disappeared but good on you both.
I was screaming for wee Anya to come on so you can imagine my feelings: thought Griffiths turned his marker beautifully.
I know Paula Rose will thrash me for my fitba’ content but I’ll just have to take it, I suppose 😛
Am I wrong about her crow’s feet, btw? Just a thought.
@ TC
“Take it” or look forward to it? 😉
@ Ian
Mebbe it’s to stop us eating wir fingers. 🙂
I had a pal when I was younger who used to curl his hand into a fist and bite the hell oot his hand when he got excited or angry. Big teeth marks that would sometimes draw blood.
Right, folks mightl be relieved to know I’ve got my prescription filled. Before the old brain-chenistry settles down though and the flow begins to slow, here’s a little something to help moderate Scots better understand contemporary British nationalism.
link to sicotests.com
link to dash.harvard.edu
link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
“Take it” or look forward to it? ?”
I restrict my masochism to supporting Scotland, WW.
This, coupled with my Diddy Team, is a lifetime’s “tainted love”.
On to Bratislava…
William Wallace
Sorry for leaving you hanging the other night William but I wanted to come back with something I thought you might appreciate. 😉
Ride – Here And Now
link to youtube.com
Ljubljana, I meant.
@crazycat (8.18) –
Hiya, sorry, wasn’t ignoring you there, was just wondering about the suggested time (5 p.m.) but I suppose that’s in keeping with previous non-weekend gatherings.
Okay with you if we keep in touch right here, as and when we can get more details?
😉
@ TC
“I restrict my masochism to supporting Scotland, WW.
This, coupled with my Diddy Team, is a lifetime’s “tainted love”.
Eh ken what ya mean. Supporting Scotland can be mair painful than any beating at times. Hiv to say though we are looking braw the now. Wha’s yir diddy team?
Ehm a Dee mehsel like. Been hard work this season so far but it looks like we are turning the corner.
@ CamB
Dinnae worry aboot it eh. Eh’m used to being snubbed, ignored and disregarded on Aff Topic so getting left hanging is a step up 😉
Like the lyrics in that tune especially:
I can dream myself away
Lose myself for days
And the train rushes past
Like a day gone too fast
All I know
All I know
All I know
Is here and now
Meh whole life feels like that right now.
Reminds me o the quote
“To seize the flying thought before it totally escapes us is our only contact with reality”
Re. Frida Kahlo. She is a feminist icon and T May was trolling her own party, which is predominantly ill-disposed to any form of equality. 🙂
WW: can’t say ‘cos Paula Rose will stick an 8″ stiletto up my nostril but if Mrs TC and I had had twin girls they would have been called Clare and Amber 😉
Ken whit ah’m sayin’?
Well, someone has to…
My first ever game was Third Lanark V Dundee at Cathkin Park 1962 or 3 (?). Don’t ask why! Think the Hi-Hi won 2-1 and Gordon Smith was playing for DFC, just about the most elegant and intelligent player you could see. He was more Italian than Scottish.
As a wee boy, I was fascinated by a Dundee fan with a bugle who would blow it and then shout, “Away the ‘Dee!” Football was all B&W in those days on the telly, so to see the green grass, TL’s scarlet and the beautiful dark blue of Dundee made a big impression on me, and then I was hooked on the fitba’.
I also remember a cup replay around that time at FP, when Dundee beat us 2-4. I recall the blond head of A. Hamilton. Was Mr Gilzean still playing then? Think so, although I was standing on a lemonade crate, the crowd was so big.
Must stop: Paula can be a trifle intemperate in these matters. It’s the years talking…
@ TC
Yir so lucky to have seen the Dees back then. Meh first gemme wasnae until 1978. Bit lang the following text but a good read.
link to dundeefc.co.uk
After winning the Scottish League Championship in 1962, Dundee were entered as Scotland’s representatives into the 1962/63 European Champions Cup and their entry into the competitive continental stage was simply sensational. A year after becoming Champions of Scotland only AC Milan stood between Dundee and the European Cup Final and having conquered Scotland, Bob Shankly’s side came close to conquering Europe.
The European Cup was still very much in its infancy in 1962 having first been contested in the 1955/56 season. Only two clubs – Real Madrid (the first five years) and Benfica (the last two) had won it so far and both these giants were in the draw for the 1962/63 competition; Real Madrid as Spanish Champions and Benfica as the holders. They, along with the team which the August draw had paired Dundee with, Cologne, were installed as favourites so The Dee could hardly have received a more difficult draw.
Dundee were only the fourth Scottish club to enter the Champions Cup, following Hibernian, Rangers and Hearts. From the Dundee squad only Gordon Smith had experience in the European Cup having played for both Edinburgh clubs and this included a semi-final appearance with Hibs.
It was going to be tough for the Dark Blues however as not only were Cologne one of the favourites but Dundee’s own form was miserable having lost five of their first seven games of the season.
The German Champions arrived in Scotland two days before the match and amongst their party was Cologne’s Yugoslav manager Zlato Cajkovski who told the media in mangled English: “Cologne will win as our defensive football is decadent.”
The Scottish press loved his bold statement and wrote banner headlines around his remarks to whip up a frenzy and by the time of kick off on September 5th, the huge interest in the match was evidenced by the 25, 000 crowd which had descended upon Dens Park.
The Cologne team boasted no fewer than ten West German internationalists. Skipper Hans Schafer had been his country’s outside-left when they won the World Cup in Switzerland in 1954, while left-back Karl-Heinz Schnellinger was named in the World’s Best XI in the 1962 World Cup in Chile and would play in the 1966 final.
The Dundee team that lined up for the national anthems was experienced. Although Craig Brown, Alec Stuart, Doug Houston and Kenny Cameron had all played in the first seven games, against Cologne, Bob Shankly reverted to the side which had served him so well in the title success. The only exception was in goal where Bert Slater made a European debut denied to Championship winner Pat Liney and Dundee lined up Slater, Hamilton, Cox, Seith, Ure, Wishart, Smith, Penman, Cousin, Gilzean and Robertson.
Immediately from the kick off Dundee poured forward in numbers and in the second minute, Alan Cousin collided with the German keeper Fritz Ewart, who was laid out cold for a few minutes before groggily returning to his place.
Ewart didn’t get much time to recover however as Dundee pushed forward at an incessant pace and just seven minutes later Cologne centre-back Hemmersbach was pressured into heading an Andy Penman cross into his own net.
Two minutes later Dundee doubled their lead with a goal described by Craig Brown as one of the most extraordinary he had ever seen. From the edge of the box Bobby Wishart miscued and while the ball trundled one way, a huge divot flew in the other and Ewart dived to save the divot! The German keeper ended with turf in his hands while the ball was in the net behind him.
It was three a minute later thanks to Hugh Robertson who fired in off Regh before Gilzean made it four when he headed home a Smith cross and then Smith himself made it five before half time.
The match was being broadcast live on BBC Radio with commentator Kenneth Wolstenholme barely hiding his astonishment at the score and there were reports the next day of cheers being heard in the city centre over a mile away.
For the second half, Cologne were down to ten men when their goalkeeper Ewart did not reappear and right-back Tony Regh took over in goal in these pre-substitute days. So dazed was Ewart in the dressing room at half time that he thought the score was 2-0 and that the game was over.
More goals were therefore bound to come. Penman headed in from close range to make it six just four minutes after the break and by now every Dundee goal prompted dancing on the terracing and the track. The excitement communicated itself to the ticketless spectators outside the ground and the arm waving fans at the top of the Dens Road and Provost Road terracing semaphored the score to the people on the pavements outside.
Gilzean made it seven with a bullet header from Hamilton’s cross and Gilzean completed his hat-trick when he headed in a centre from Alan Cousin. Eight goals and only sixty-seven minutes played and at this rate it could have ended up twelve or more. Instead it was the Germans who scored the only remaining goal with Hamilton turning a Habig cross into his own net. At the other end Cajkovski was ordered away from behind the goal presumably for coaching his stand-in keeper but it mattered not as the score finished 8-1 in Dundee’s favour.
While Dundee recorded perhaps their greatest ever result (rivalled only by their 5-1 win at Ibrox in November 1961), for the unhappy team from the Rhine, it was ‘woe to the vanquished’ as they suffered a club record defeat which still stand today. For Dundee to score eight against the German champions, one of the fancied sides pre-tournament was remarkable and lives long on the memory of all who were lucky enough to be there.
Cologne went back to the Rhineland after their first leg 8-1 humiliation in Dundee muttering threats of retaliation and which they carried through; very nearly progressing into the next round into the bargain. Upon leaving Dens Park, Cajkovski told the German press that the result in West Germany might be different “if say the Dundee goalkeeper was injured” and the signs were ominous at kick off when an ambulance was parked behind Bert Slater’s goal.
Cologne made five changes from the first leg, two of them positional and the big news for the home crowd was that star man Karl-Heinz Schellinger had made the line up. He had received extensive treatment on his injured knee in recent weeks and was deployed to man-mark Alan Gilzean, Dundee’s hat-trick hero from the first game.
Also in for the home side was goalkeeper Toni Schumacher to replace the unfortunate Ewert who was injured at Dens and right-back Fritz Pott, called up for West Germany’s match against Yugoslavia in Zagreb in seven days time while the Dundee side was unchanged.
40,000 horn-blowing expectant home fans were in the Mungerdorf Stadium and straight from kick off Cologne went on the attack in an attempt to overturn a seemingly impossible deficit. Their hopes were raised in the seventh minute however as they got off to the perfect start when they pulled an aggregate goal back from the penalty spot. Alex Hamilton punched a Hans Schafer goal bound header over the bar and inside-right Habig put the twelve-yard kick past Bert Slater to give the Germans a 1-0 lead on the night.
Cologne continued to put pressure on the Dundee goal in a bedlam of noise but they were guilty of a number of strong challenges which went unpunished by the Danish referee Mr Poulsen. Gordon Smith in particular was coming in for some rough treatment on the Dark Blues’ right-wing and any time a high ball came into Dundee box, Bert Slater had to endure some digs and punches in the ribs.
Worse was to come for the Dundee keeper however as on twenty-seven minutes he dived down low at the feet of striker Christian Muellar and he caught Slater with his boot with full force behind the ear. As trainer Sammy Kean ran on help Slater, blood oozed from the wound and Kean signalled to the bench that Slater would have to go off to receive some treatment from a doctor.
Almost immediately, the German medics tried to usher Slater into the awaiting ambulance and take him away to hospital. Sammy Kean signalled that he wanted his keeper to go to the dressing room which led to the bizarre sight of Slater jumping off the stretcher and bustling his way through the crowd towards the dressing room.
In the meantime a confab between the Dundee players saw nineteen year-old inside-right Andy Penman put on the goalkeeper’s sweater and take over from Slater in goal with Dundee now down to ten men. It didn’t take long for Cologne to take advantage of this when Christian Muellar doubled Cologne’s lead after a fine move down the right before Schafer made it 3-0 right on the stroke of half-time.
It was now 8-4 to Dundee on aggregate but the Dark Blues looked vulnerable and in disarray and in danger being on the end of one of the most remarkable turnarounds in two-legged football.
At the start of the second half, Bert Slater resumed, not in goal but out wide on the right wing. He head was swathed in a huge turban-like bandage and he showed some neat touches when the ball arrived at his feet. It had been decided not to risk him back in goal but after a couple of dashes down the touchline he ran back towards his own goal to swap jerseys with the gallant Penman and resume his duties between the sticks.
It was a turning point for Dundee as they regained their composure despite continued severe provocation. With Gilzean being well handled by Schellinger, Penman moved up field to take over the role of main spearhead while Cologne, when they needed their attacking impetus the most, found themselves having to pull men back to contain Dundee’s forwards.
On 57 minutes however Cologne did make it 4-0 when Ian Ure put through his own net with Slater impeded.
The Dark Blues now came under intense pressure again and just three minutes later conceded a second penalty when Ure mistimed his tackle on Thielen. The Billy Goats had a great chance to make it 8-6 on aggregate with still half an hour to go to get at least another two goals to force a third match on a neutral ground but fortunately for The Dee, Habig smashed his second penalty against the bar and with it went Cologne’s realistic chance of making the first round.
As the game wore on the ugliness persisted as the Danish referee continued to allow Cologne carte blanche to kick and punch the Dark Blues but with just a few minutes left on the clock, Ian Ure incredibly got his name taken for an innocuous looking foul.
This was the signal for the German crowd to pour forward from the terracing and stand six deep and menacing around the touchline. Dundee manager Bob Shankly tried to protest only to be told by a German customs official that this was normal in German matches but when Gordon Smith tried to make one of his trademark runs up the wing, he was tripped up by a fan who was standing on the edge of the playing surface.
The Dundee players were understandably hesitant to even take a throw-in and they tried to play the clock down but the final whistle did not bring any relief for the Dark Blues. The teams were trapped on the pitch as the crowd poured forward, horns blaring and the Dundee players were swamped in a frightening flood of bodies. Fists flew as Dundee struggled towards the dressing room but they were saved when hundreds of off-duty British Army servicemen from the Rhine Army, who were at the game to support Dundee, waded into the German crowd and threw a cordon around the team to get them off the pitch unhurt – or practically unhurt.
At the end of the match the final score was Cologne 4, Dundee 0 but it was the Dark Blues who progresssed to the First Round with an aggregate win of 8-5. It was a brave performance from The Dee, particularly from goalkeeper Bert Slater who was clearly a target from the start and Dundee started to wonder if participation in the European Cup was worth it, if scenes like the Mungerdorf witnessed were tolerated by the authorities.
In the next round however all worries about playing in Europe were forgotten when Dundee were paired with Sporting Club of Portugal and the two matches were played in an entertaining sporting fashion.
The first leg in Lisbon was described as in The Courier by Tommy Gallacher as “one of the fastest, most gruelling but sportiest European Cup ties ever seen.” Unfortunately for Dundee however, they conceded a last minute goal in a melee which saw the ball cleared from just behind the line. The goal was credited to inside-right Geo though the Dundee players were adamant it hadn’t crossed the line and the Dark Blues were unlucky to go back to Scotland with a 1-0 deficit.
A week later a full strength Dundee with Hugh Robertson who had missed the first leg restored, were roared on by 32,000 crowd to a 4-1 win which would send The Dee through 4-2 on aggregate.
Fans had arrived at Dens a good two hours before kick off and no car parking spaces could be found for miles around. Late comers missed Dundee’s opening goal on thirteen minutes, scored by Alan Gilzean to level the tie. Sporting proved to be a skilful side but they were prone to over elaboration near goal.
On half-time, Alan Cousin headed Gordon Smith’s cross in off the underside of the bar to put Dundee ahead at a crucial time. In the second half Smith set up Dundee’s third goal and played a part in the fourth which were both but away by Gilzean.
At 4-1 on aggregate, there was no way back for the Portuguese team. They did manage to claw a goal back through Figuerido but Dundee proudly took their place in the last eight of the European cup alongside A.C. Milan, Dukla Prague, Benfica, Feyenoord, Rheims, Galatasaray and Anderlecht.
The draw paired Dundee with the Belgian champions Anderlecht who had sensationally knocked favourites Real Madrid out in the preliminary round.
Interest in the tie was so huge that Anderlecht moved the game from their own ground in Brussels to the national Heysel Stadium elsewhere in the city, which could hold 60,000 and the teams would actually take to the field in front of 64, 703; more than the official capacity and the biggest crowd ever for any football match in Belgium.
When the players took to the field on Wednesday 6th March, the Belgian hosts played “The Dundee Song” by Hector Nicol over the tannoy and the 200 Dundee fans present sung along with gusto. They were perplexed moments later however when it was followed by “The Tannadice Song” and having had both records sent over, Anderlecht secretary Eugene Steppe wasn’t sure which one to play so played both.
When the game kicked off, the Belgian TV cameraman was caught napping when Dundee promptly scored. A sight of Gilzean’s quick-fire goal from Gordon Smith’s cross was therefore denied to those not in the stadium but happily the cameraman had Gilzean in his sights when he fired in from outside the box to make it 2-0 on eighteen minutes – his eighth European Cup goal of the season.
Anderlecht pulled one back from the spot before the break when Bobby Cox was penalised for handball despite showing the Swiss referee a mark on his chest. Two second half goals however from Alan Cousin and Gordon Smith gave the Dark Blues an emphatic 4-1 away win. It was a wonderful performance – one of the greatest in the club’s history – and once again the result sent shockwaves across Europe.
With the second leg at Dens a week later a seeming formality, just eighty-nine Anderlecht supporters made the journey across to Scotland. For Dundee fans, European Cup fever swept through the city. Tickets were at a premium as 40,000 supporters snapped up briefs for a crowd that exceeded even that which had watched Cologne and Sporting Lisbon in the previous rounds and is the fifth highest crowd ever at Dens.
For the second leg on Wednesday 13th March 1963, Anderlecht had nothing to lose and dictated play from the off. They drew first blood after half an hour through Anderlecht’s top goalscorer Jacques Stockman and went in at the interval with that one goal lead.
Two Dundee goals in the closing minutes from Cousin and Smith ensured an outcome that had never seriously been tested and allowed the Dark Blues the satisfaction of winning both legs. Cousin had equalised on seventy-eight minutes before Gordon Smith got the winner four minutes later which was described by The Courier as “a gem that will be recalled for many a day.”
A 6-2 aggregate win meant that Dundee were through to the semi-final of the European Cup at their first attempt and the victory over Anderlecht in Brussels was a highlight of that fabulous run. With the final at Wembley that season, Dundee were now dreaming of glory and now standing in their way were the Rossoneri of Milan
In the run up to the semi-final Dundee’s league form was erratic. With the severe winter wiping out most of January and February, Dundee were now playing at least two games a week to catch up and the backlog was beginning to take its toll on the older players.
Two days before Dundee were due to fly out to Milan, Bobby Cox tore a cartilage against Motherwell at Fir Park and it ruled him out of one of the biggest games in Dundee’s history.
AC Milan were a formidable side and had nine internationalists from Italy, Brazil and Peru in their ranks. Amongst them was future Republic of Ireland manager Giovanni Trappatoni, captain Cesare Maldini – father of future Milan legend Paolo, Jose Altafini who would write himself into Rossoneri folklore when he scored two goals in the final against Benfica and Italian golden boy Gianni Rivera who was known for his artistry with the ball.
Dundee lined up with Alex Stuart in for captain Bobby Cox, meaning Bobby Seith skippered the side in the impressive San Siro while Hugh Robertson once again missed a big European tie through injury and was replaced by Doug Houston on the left-wing.
The kick-off was delayed for thirteen minutes to allow the boisterous 78,000 spectators to pack in the Stadio Giuseppe Meazza and within three minutes Milan were ahead when inside-right Dino Sani nodded home.
Dundee however settled quickly after the setback and midway through the first half were back on level terms when Alan Cousin headed home an Andy Penman cross after a fine run by the youngster.
Dundee were unnerving their Italian hosts and were still level at half-time but problems were mounting for the Dark Blues. Bert Slater was being blinded by a battery of camera flashes every time he went for the ball and Shankly complained about this at half-time to the Italian officials and to the Spanish referee Vincente Caballero but to no avail. Indeed the referee according to Tommy Gallacher in The Courier showed such bias that “every time a Dundee player went near their Italian counterparts, he made it impossible for Dundee to tackle them.”
Dundee on the other hand were being subjected to some fierce tackling and Gordon Smith and Alan Gilzean in particular were coming in for some rough treatment.
Indeed some weeks after the match in Milan, suspicions that Dundee had been dealt unfairly in the San Siro by the referee was given credence when the official was found to have accepted extravagant gifts from the Italian club during another game and was banned from officiating pending charges of bribery.
In spite of everything it was still 1-1 at half-time but optimism in the Dundee dressing room at the break however soon turned to dismay. Firstly Doug Houston shot past the post after he was clean through and then in quick succession, Barison and Mora found the net with flashing headers, both of which were controversial.
Benitez appeared to be over the by-line before crossing for Barison’s goal while Altafini – standing on the Dundee goal line – had been clearly offside at the third goal. At first Senor Caballero had given offside but when one of his linesman ran onto the pitch furiously waving his flag, the decision was changed.
In the closing minutes Dundee were stunned by a further two goals from Milan’s wingers Barison and Mora. Milan cleverly drew Ian Ure out of position before hitting high balls to the near post where Barison easily out-jumped Hamilton for the fourth.
All five Milan goals came from high crosses against which Dundee were usually well prepared. After a promising first half, Dundee had disappointed, with the inspirational qualities of Bobby Cox badly missed. Milan were certainly a top side but the Dundee players felt they were not as good as Cologne or Anderlecht whom they had already disposed of.
The second leg was to take place at Dens just seven days later and one player still missing was Bobby Cox as he had underwent a cartilage operation on his knee and would be resting in a Dundee nursing home during the second leg.
Despite the fact the fact that Dundee were effectively playing for pride in the second leg, an impressive 38,000 still turned up at Dens, the second largest attendance behind the Anderlecht match since the record crowd had been set ten years before.
Bob Shankly fielded an unchanged side on May 1st, meaning once again Bobby Seith was the captain in Cox’s absence and when they attacked from the start, it quickly became obvious that the Italians were to defend in depth.
Play was never allowed to flow due to the constant interruption for fouls and there were few opportunities for the much improved Dundee. Finally however, Alan Gilzean broke the deadlock just before half-time when he rose to head a Gordon Smith cross past Italian internationalist Giorgio Ghezzi in the Milan goal.
Soon after the interval Penman had the ball in the net but it was disallowed for offside against Gilzean and although Milan were fortunate not to concede a penalty when Smith was blatantly punched while inside the box, there was no further scoring.
Throughout both legs, Gordon Smith and Alan Gilzean had taken some terrible punishment and with just six minutes remaining the frustrated inside-man sought retribution, lashed out at Benitez and was ordered off.
It was a sad end to Dundee’s fabulous European Cup adventure and Tommy Gallacher described it as “one of the most bruising and bitter battles ever seen at Dens Park, where flailing boots and raised fists were common place.”
In total Dundee played eight games in their European Cup campaign, winning five and losing three and had they posted such results in the modern day Champions’ League format, they would have easily qualified from their group. The 1962/63 results are also the main reason why Dundee still has a UEFA ranking of 228.
Dundee Football Club had come so near and yet so far to becoming the first British side to win the European Cup and could so easily have beaten Celtic’s Lisbon Lions to it by four years. The players had done themselves, the club, the fans and the city proud with their wonderful and scintillating performances and left continental shockwaves in their wake on route to the semi-final.
They had earned their right to be among football’s European elite and the club proudly celebrated their magnificent Champions’ Cup campaign on its fiftieth anniversary this year.
@ TC
Could be the beer but yiv got iz stumped on the Claire and Amber?
@TC & WW –
Much as I am minded to suggest that the pair of ye’s might want tae hire a room…
I’d rather make the much more positive suggestion that what ye’s are gabbin aboot might be of considerable interest to small publishers?
Well, can I suggest that!
In any event, on ye’s go.
😉
Ian: don’t know what Paula Rose’s version of hammers is but WW and I are furrit.
WW: I remember all that first hand: so many great players in the Dark Blue then. The BBC (remember them?) prefaced one of their fitba’ programmes of the Euro ties with “Bonnie Dundee”. As a Covenanter, I forgave them. Betcha BDTT and Socrates MacSporran remember too.
Your team produced great football in those days and their league-winning team was very special. I’m proud to have seen them. And you have won the Longest Post on O/T Award, too.
Clare and Amber? Add a ‘t’ to the first name.
Heeheeheehee!
@ Ian
Meh first lang post tae and eh’m haein ti pit up wi this cheek eftir the Camzer has philosophised iz tae death wi big, lang and hard tae wrap yir heid aroond affairs 🙂 Only kidding the Camzarito (KB reference)
The guy that wrote that is already published. He has written a few books on the history o Dundee Football Club.
If eh hid half his literary commitment, Eh probably would have finished the books eh’ve been working on the last ten year. 🙂
@ TC
Yiv got me rackin meh brains man but, eh cannae make the connection. Pit iz oot meh misery 🙂
Is it a conventional futba team? Eh am absolutely flummoxed.
Motherwell?
@Smallaxe
Nice to see you back in the fold 🙂
@William Wallace
The first game I ever attended in Dundee was the Dees v AC Milan at where they won 2-0 unfortunetly they had lost the first leg 3-0 so were knocked out.
I later became an Arab LOL.
@ Alex
Now what did yi hae ti go and dae that fir?
Eh like ya tae 🙂 Until now. 😉
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@Stephen Daisley
“Nationalism truly is a disease.” – Stephen Daisley
Better get back in your gimp cage, troll.
link to nationalismstudies.wordpress.com
@William Wallace
Wullie it could have been worse, I could have remained a Rangers fan as my very first game was in 1968 Rangers v St Mirren reserves, 15,000 there which wisnae bad. Had a lift over the turnstile as did most kids in those days.
Nowadays, not so bothered, still look for Utd’s results and like to see any Scottish team do well in Europe.
@ TC
Thistle?
@ AC
Yir right, it could hiv been worse 🙂
Ya couldnae get a lifty ower at Tannadice in the eighties though. The turnstiles were ah wrang. Eh mind the boy on the gate at the shed letting wi ah in as bairns for the European gemmes.
That’s whar the Dees gained extra fans. Eh wiz still getting lifty owers at 12. Went on to train wi Dundee toward an S signing and wiz a ballboy on Saturdays so it didnae matter fae 13 onwards aboot getting in to see them.
@Stephen Daisley
I doubt you’re open to reason or truth but there’s always hope.
Nation and Nationalism Theories
link to slideshare.net
“Is it a conventional futba team?”
That question, WW, has taxed the brains of many philosophers when they consider the strange enigma that is Motherwell FC, who play in claret and amber.
*1000 yard stare as he muses on 55 wasted years on the Boulevard of Broken Dreams*
Think we should change the subject…
I have a very literal mind.
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The nights are fair drawing in, eh?
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Off to hug a tree.
Back indoors.
The birch is a slender woman, passing fair, but elm hateth man and waiteth…
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Glory days for the Gers included attacking Franco’s Civil Guards in Barcelona in the 70’s, they hadn’t seen a charge like that since Jarama. The fans busses were applauded all the way oot the toon!
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The Odd Couple of Pop, imho:
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OFFS. Yes, climate change is inevitable but we can mitigate it’s worst impacts if we act now. Fracking does not help in any way but a Scottish renewable energy sector would most definitely benefit humanity!
link to psych.cf.ac.uk
N.B. Men are more prone than women, to Right Wing Authoritarianism and Social Dominance Orientation. Such sad sacks are not open to change or new ideas.
A gender approach to understanding the differentiated impact of barriers to adaptation: responses to climate change in rural Ethiopia
link to link.springer.com
Climate change and challenges for conservation
link to imperial.ac.uk
Just because Jacob Rees-Mogg is who he is, doesn’t mean he’s not entitled to a dedication.
The Fall – Big New Prinz
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I see the Prime Minister has adopted a make-do-and-men look, perhaps to project a sense of connectedness and empathy with the masses suffering under austerity?
Good show.
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Nothing on the Highland Division abandoned at St Valery in that clip CBB!
Good article on Scottish writers in todays National.
@Tinto Chiel
Saw this and thought of you, the latest in manly fashion.
link to twitter.com
Nana: wow, just wow!
I’m immediately suspending my Autumn Collection (mainly russets and aubergines in figure-hugging style statements) and will explore the options of your tempting couture before my Dubrovnik break with Mrs TC, who is firmly agnostic in these matters.
Wish Smallaxe could give me some advice but he’s still recovering from his Cognac’n’Cactus experience, I understand.
Can you see me in the stiletto and weskit combo?
Any advice would be appreciated. Been toning up the old lallies down the gym.
Evening, aye aye, the mighty Smallaxe and bonnie Mrs Smallaxe n me were dancing on into the wee oors of the morning, sorting Scotland out, we kicked ass and will do so again soon bro.
Ain’t it strange how ye can look out of a window in Scotland and there in the distance is another peoples country. Ah’ll stick to Scotland and enjoy the hours in Gretna-Mean-Time.
Nae southern beasties were slapped during the duration.
Hope yee’s are awe braw Wingers 😉
@Smallaxe –
Many thanks for the re-invitation. Will consult the better half and try to pinpoint a date, then we can see if it suits.
Cacus et al, hoots tae ye’s aw, have a brawmost weekend!
Oh BTW Smallaxe, my wee brother told me to ask if you’re familiar with a recording called ‘Dub Side of The Moon’. I still haven’t checked it out but I suspect he’s just pulling my proverbial.
When the wee brother was up last weekend, he was struck with a sudden urge to write and asked me to fetch him a quill and some paper. This I did…
Swiftly, he wrote the following, which was set to music the following evening by a friend. We don’t know why he wrote this, or where the inspiration came from. (At the time we had just finished a carry-out much earlier than expected and were trying to work out how we could justify another trip to the shops. But that’s another story…)
Well, anyway, some may find it of interest so I present it now. It should be mentally sung as a form of rowing-song.
‘Cargo Flow’, by David Brotherhood
When the gales a’ blow
An the snaw a’ snaws
With the distant smell
Of a hill I know
CHORUS
Where o where did my cargo go?
Let the cargo flow!
Let the cargo flow!
From the hills of Skye to the sea it flowed.
Where o where did my cargo go?!
When the Great Glen echoes
With the cries of woe
And the wind-chaffed cheeks of a lass I know,
From the caves of Smoo to Strathbungo
CHORUS
From my wind-filled sail on Scapa Floe
To the outlawed tune from a fiddler’s bow
CHORUS
CHORUS
CHORUS
“From the caves of Smoo to Strathbungo”
Particularly liked that line, Ian.
Scrieve on, David B. Sharpen yer quill, young Lochinvar.
@TC –
Aye, it’s a good line, you can just tell how much craft has gone intae the whole thing. And he sings it with real feeling, in a very pleasing baritone, to a tune not dissimilar to the Pogues’ ‘Streams Of Whiskey’, only much slower.
Can’t write any more…filling-up just remembering it all…
*sniff*
Give the young man his head, Ian. Poetry doesn’t pay but it’s good for the soul, as we know.
Smoo always reminds me of Mrs TC and I on the dunes above Balnakiel Bay in the late 70s, overlooking the Pentland Firth. A German VW camper van arrived on the beach, and out stepped a young lady nudist who lay on the skinkling sands, baring her all to the Scottish sun.
At this moment we noticed a troop of Boy Scouts with akela in tow, approaching unknowingly on an interception heading. All I can say is that when Babylon met The Shining City on the Hill, there was considerable interest from the young shavers, and some panic from their supervisor.
The siren call of sex is a strong one, chinas.
But a wholesome book has a price above rubies…
I’ve been concentrating on Right Wing Authoritarianism, as it is the Tory conference week. However, those on the left also need to be careful. Incidentally, I reckon BLiS___d is riddled with RWA/SDO dispositions, and a lot of the rest appear a bit LWA/SDO. What a state to get yourself in, frankly. 🙂
link to nationalinterest.org
Left-wing authoritarianism is not a myth, but a worrisome reality. Evidence from 13 Eastern European countries
link to sciencedirect.com
link to ajbenjaminjr.tripod.com
@Ian Brotherhood hi Ian I have heard dub side of the moon. Have a braw weekend my Friend. ?:-D
@TC, CamB & M McC (that rhymes by the way!) –
Hoots aplenty tae ye’s aw, ahm smilin’ away tae masel here, happy as Larry, whoever he is…
😉 🙂
@Ian Brotherhood
Had to go and look up “Dub Side of the Moon” a Reggie version of the famous Pink Floyd album, here’s their version of “Time”.
Pretty damned good it is too 🙂
link to youtube.com
I confessed to having a very slender knowledge of Scottish history on a tweet earlier this evening, and was sent a link to a site, of which this is the final page.
Hard to imagine why the indy movement lacks cohesion and ‘purpose’ when you read stuff like this:
link to skyelander.orgfree.com
Ani Difranco- Untouchable Face link to youtube.com
You Ain’t going Nowhere-Nitty Gritty Dirt Band link to youtube.com
Linda Ronstadt- Desperado(Live) link to youtube.com
Okay, I have now sampled the first half of ‘Dub Side of The Moon’. As some of the commenters below the YT vid have noted, it’s like getting stoned without having to actually smoke anything.
Astonishing.
Damien Dempsey-Sing all our cares away link to youtube.com
“Therefore, since you have preferred sheep to men, let sheep defend you!”
The best riposte ever to the Murderous Duke and his henchmen but a really grim account of the destruction of an ancient culture and language there, Ian.
No doubt Silvrikin Boy@SNT could conceptualise The Clearances as a lifestyle choice.
Until recently, our real history had never really been taught in schools, and nae wunner: with one bound we’d be free when everyone knew exactly what The Wonderful Union brought us.
Stuart McHardy points out that the Post-Culloden repression extended to the Lowlands, which were effectively occupied by the British Army for years after 1746, as its own “Cantonment Records” testify. He tracked one copy down to a library in Canada but copies in the UK have been suppressed/”lost”. They are dynamite and explode the myth that the Jacobite phenomenon was a Gaelic/Catholic one with little support in the rest of Scotland.
Looking forward to his two new books later this month.
And anurrahing…
My daughter has just sent me a link to the BBC Scotchland Sport site which has a post-match interview with Gordon Strachan WITH SUBTITLES, for Carmichael’s sake.
How much more Cringe can we take?
Zut alors!
@Tinto Chiel
I knew you would be thrilled on seeing that collection of ‘outfits’ but I’m afraid Tinto any advice I could give is not for airing on a public forum. Rev would likely ban me from the site!
One thing I would advise is that you consider some form of scaffolding for your shins, should you decide to try out the high heels.
I wish you luck on your first outing.
Wise words, Nana, wise words.
I console myself that a trend-setter is often without honour in his own country.
Look what happens when you lot actually win a footie game – good grief.
Well, bang a gong!
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Once again I am sent out by my wife to purchase a bag of shopping for Saturday breakfast and lunch. Excellent idea as I need a full tank of fuel.
Call at my local Tesco. First stop try to find The Independent as they usually hide it under the Racing Post and the Morning Star.
There is none I am advised by a member of staff.
I purchase nothing travel to my next big Store, yes another Tesco. There is no National.
I an not surprised as the previous Sunday I attempted to purchase the Herald on Sunday. Finding none I enquired of staff to be told by a young assistant there is not much call for it here too highbrow for folk here. I took him for a student.
I pointed out the pile of Times can you shift this in this area I enquired . Embarrassed silence.
The area is Slab voting.
Needless to say the breakfast / lunch / fuel was bought elsewhere again.
Time has come to alter the shopping habits of the Smoothpiece household.
Whit you lookin’ at, eh?
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Hey, Jason, is The Independent still Dead Tree Press? Thought it had gone digital.
Wherever I go I have to howk out Nationals from piles of Yoon Press. Then they usually don’t scan, with some stupid error message if you try the self-scan.
So glad we live in a free society with a press to match.
😛
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3h–K5928M
The crowd are gassed, man.
Anyone fancy divulging some of their favourite 8 or 10-letter words?
Have been doing grids all day and starting to see black and white squares.
Just need a dozen or so.
😉 Hoots all, as aye
@CamB –
😉
Saw your comment over on MT, and took it as a compliment.
I don’t know what ‘role’ any of us actually fulfils here, but the cumulative effect is impressive!
Ian Brotherhood
Glad you took it that way Ian, I do get a bit worried I’m over-doing things. 😉
I’m trying to share knowledge gained while training to join the Royal Town Planning Institute. I think it relevant, if heavy going and not everyone’s cup of tea, that’s for sure.
Are you still working, Ian?
Athabasca: diarrhoea: encapsulate: confabulate: haemorrhage: attenuated: gonorrhoea: heuristic: scatological: quotidian: perambulate: fascistic.
Und so weiter, old mole.
@TC –
😉
Cheers indeed, managed to use a few there, will let you know in due course when they’re due to appear and I owe you a pint on top of those I’ve already promised.
Hi IanB.
Is a 12 letter word out of contention? I’ve been a fan of “circumjacent” since I tripped over it.
Also, but still in contention, I’m a fan of “dendroid”…
I know, it’s a Dundee thing…
Ian: think I overshot on a few (Ooh, matron!).
And Athabasca’s a proper noun.
Crosswords are a pure Carmichael, innit?
“Dendroid”, BDTT?
“Hallaig”, ya bass.
@Ian Brotherhood
Sovereigns, pure gold so they are LOL.
@BDTT, Alex –
Thanks indeed.
I can accommodate most of the lengthier wurds, esp those between 8 and 15 characters, although I cannot deal with half-sizes as yet.
Plasteredly yours,
IB
😉
@TC –
Forgot to say last night, thanks for the heads-up about Stuart McHardy. I’m not even sure if I’ve read any of his work, but I’ll certainly be looking out for it now.
😉
Ian: “Scotland’s Future History” is a quick read but really caas the feet fae aa the Yoon blethers o the last three hunner years.
His new ones should be good.
Thrawn describes him best, or carnaptious.
Thank God for that.
@Ian Brotherhood
Nothing wrang wie being plastered, pebble dashed though is a different story 🙂
link to youtube.com
Give us a few letters Ian xx
Hi Paula Rose
I better go to bed spelling and grammar on the main thread just when I’m trying to be serious has went all to pot LOL. Better that I say no more.
Here’s some help to explain why the BBC in Scotland does not provide a balanced reflection of Scottish experience. In essence, they are a publicly funded barrier to effective Scottish democracy and progressive social change, IMHO.
link to mospace.umsystem.edu
Using communication for social change
link to oecd.org
Communication for social change and transformation
link to gsdrc.org
This might help explain Scotland.
Maps of Meaning: The brain, continued
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@ Ian 20:29
Stramash. 😉
Steaming 🙂
Stotting
@David Torrance
Has Scotland voted to leave the EU? Why are we being forced to leave? Better Together?
Strombolian 🙂
Get tae bed Cam 🙂
Thanks to abody who done be give me the wurds!
Paula, you want letters…
K S F R W
re Stuart McHardy books. ‘Scotland’s Future History’ very good read. Also, ‘White Cockade’ great Jacobite tales (sad, bad & funny) Next on my list is ‘School of the Moon’
link to stuartmchardy.wordpress.com
IanB: ‘cos of your request last night I woke up this morning (cue song) with “haecceity” bouncing around my napper. That would get the crossworders tearing their hair out.
Don’t know what it means but it could be essential 😛
Coming to my hall-mat in the next few days: Jacobitism by Murray Pittock, ya bass.
Demolishes 250 years of Yoon historical dreck, as does his Culloden and The Myth of The Jacobite Clans.
And a happy Sunday to you all.
William Wallace: enjoyed your rare foray onto the M/T. Don’t go there very much now, for the same reasons.
Too much, “Ooh, scratch your eyes out/how very dare you!”, imo.
Prefer some light dusting and polishing round Paula’s gaff now.
Her apsidistra’s certainly done well this year.
It’s the Baby Bio, don’t ya know…
Arivurichardich! 🙂
@TC –
Blimey…that’s a corker.
‘haecceity’ Philosophy. the property that uniquely identifies an object…from medieval Latin haecceitas, literally:’thisness’.
Wow.
And totally agree with you and WW about MT au moment – Robert P has now started railing against an SNP Baaad ‘faction’ on WOS.
FFS…
*slaps head repeatedly, making small sharp noises*
Fred: and so say all of us!
Yes, Ian, I think a lot of regular posters have got cabin fever. We need a campaign to fight to use up our nervous energy. Very few new posters on the M/T (apart from the obvious plants), though Miss Babington was most welcome and Ruby’s back from her break.
Haecceity: go on, I dare, go on. Just think of the complaints!
Anyone confirm the Catalunya rally is 5-7 in Freedom Skwerr tomorrow?
@ TC & Ian
It’s like a school playground over there. Squabbling bairns everywhere determined to prove they are right and everybody else is wrong.
I know I can act like a daft kid on here at times but, it’s well intentioned and usually it’s just drunken daftness for light entertainment. It’s actually getting beyond stupidly childish now on MT. It really is playground stuff.
It’s not a pretty picture to new visitors to the site. It also serves the Yoons agenda when they say that the Indy movement is fracturing or imploding. You’d think some of them over there with the intelligence that they have, would realise this and put a stop to it.
People were arguing on another main topic a few days back quoting posts each of them had made going back three years in order to score a point. I think I chucked a barbed comment at everyone and slammed the door on the way out. 🙂
Maybe a concerted effort from Aff-Topic crew to bring aboot a level of peace on MT would be a good idea. Distract arguing posters by engaging them on one of the points they have raised and diverting their attention. Then again that could potentially make things worse 🙂
Tinto Chiel
sorry I meant the National, thinking about Independence there you see definitely the National.
Managed to get my Herald on Sunday early at the Co-op the only one copy for sale.
Re the fitba.
ok I must ask, ahm listening in on the shortbread station…
Did everyone hear all them beeps?
Goal Scotland!!!
WW: amen to all that. Not a good look for lurkers, as you rightly say.
M/T needs more IanB and BDTT with his bold capitals: voices of sanity, imo.
@Jason Smoothpiece (what a name!): thanks. Thought I was losing it. Wherever I am en Ecosse, I visit newsagents and howk out Nationals, usually hidden by Yoons in the most unlikely places on the stand.
What kind of a country are we with so many self-loathers?
FWIW: I watched the Scotland game at my daughter’s. It was a poor and lacklustre performance from a team which looked pretty jaded. What struck me most was they have both an English commentator telling us about our perennial heartbreak during the game and an English chairman interviewing Collins and McFadden about our perennial heartbreak.
Great living in The Last Colony, eh, dweebs?
@TC –
You know how to flatter a man!
Unfortunately, my heart is broken right now…
;(
Mind you, when you speak of voices of sanity…Heseltine is delivering properly shiny pearls on R5 Live right now.
😉
Hi Ian Brotherhood at 10:16 pm.
You typed,
“Unfortunately, my heart is broken right now…”
This then, is for you.
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“Maybe a concerted effort from Aff-Topic crew to bring aboot a level of peace on MT would be a good idea.”
Yes, needed.
“Distract arguing posters by engaging them on one of the points they have raised and diverting their attention.”
Tried that, I wish I hadn’t. Both sides then turn on you.
“Then again that could potentially make things worse”
It does, it quadruples argument and causes 10 times as many postings, including general complaints about it.
“M/T needs more IanB and BDTT”
Exactly what I was thinking (plus Paula and heels, and Macart). Alex tries his best. It needs peacemakers, but not more fuel to the fire by calling anyone anything, even by allusion. Too many ruffled egos “what me? He/she started it!”. Meanwhile, oh for a UseNet style killfile.
Or a bit of self-discipline, and just ignore 🙁
Getting fed up of trying to be honest but then that’s what some want me to do is just give up. That thread now is full of new voices, mainly negative voices so you do get sick of hearing it.
This is a concerted effort, the’re breeding like rabbits, Still we’ve had worse in the past. Fuck em.
@BDTT –
Aw FFS!
Man, ah’ve barely dried the eyes!
There’s a pub in West Kilbride draining away ma tears an snotters fae two hours ago, and then that?!?
…then ah see Yesindyref2’s comment, and that sparks another wee flood.
Man alive, ahm jist a pure sap fur this whole ‘patriot game’ eh?
;(
Onyways, enough of that, down to more serious stuff.
link to youtube.com
Directed by Rev Stu
Starring Nicola Sturgeon as Jim Phelps
John Swinney as Willy Armitage
Angus Robertson as Barney Collier
Alyn Smith as Rollin Hand
Derek Mackay as Paris
Alex Salmond as Dan Briggs
Cactus as Sam Elliot
Your Mission, should you accept it, is Independence.
Hi Ian Brotherhood at 11:01 pm.
Then I think it’s time this got another airing.
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@Brian Doonthetoon
First one was great, second one no really meh cup o tea 🙂
Hi Alex.
It’s the history of the piece. French history tells that “Hey Tuttie Tatie” was played by Joan of Arc’s Scots Guards as they entered Orleans. “Hey Tuttie Tatie” was used by Burns as the inspiration of the tune of “Scots Wha Hae”.
These may provide background:-
link to en.wikipedia.org
link to maidofheaven.com
Fuck me a kettle pops in to call pots black. Couldn’t make this shit up.
Alan Ginsberg’s started lurking on Wings.
link to youtube.com
I know it is totally unscientific, but just for fun I like to judge the level of support for Indy by the number of followers that Rev Stu has on the Wings twitter account.
Wings on twitter back in 2014 had approx 40 thousand followers. So indy support was 40%.
The referendum was lost, but indy support grew, instead of diminishing. Wings on twitter has seen the number of followers grow – slowly, steadily, sustainably.
I cheered at each landmark: 45K, meaning 45% support.
Then 46K, 47K, 48K, 49K.
And then the big day when Rev achieved 50 thousand followers. 50% support for indy. Enough to win a referendum. 🙂
And still the number rises.
51%
52%
53%
We are now at 53.1% support for indy.
I’ll take that!
The Magic Numbers – “Undecided”
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The High Numbers – “Zoot Suit”
link to youtube.com
@David –
🙂 🙂 😉
Re. the tendency of Tory policy to conflict with moral bio-ethics.
link to blogs.scientificamerican.com
Neuroscience of Childhood Poverty: Evidence of Impacts and Mechanisms as Vehicles of Dialog With Ethics
link to frontiersin.org
link to scholarship.law.upenn.edu
IMHO, Historywoman’s disposition is extremely unhealthy. Does she still have a column in the Scotsman?
link to psychologytoday.com
link to pbs.dartmouth.edu
link to learningandthebrain.com