Wings Over Scotland

Aweright Rev ~

Cheers.

And not one swear word tonight…

That must be a fucking record.

For the love of Ivy.

Cause ahm a real straight shooter if ye know what ah mean.

Play it.

Marie Clark,

I have been told by a gentleman that LA has been out and about although he never spoke to her, I will keep trying to find out more and let you all know ASAP.
🙂

Tinto, thank you for your kind concern, my manky mate.
🙂
link to youtube.com

No problem, Marie, I know her twitter hasn’t been active for a while so maybe that’s the cause. Any other news I will let you know. Thank’s, I will take care.
🙂

@Brian Doonthetoon

The Gelly burn eh! We called it the Gilly burn hence I thought the reason for the street name being Gillburn Rd. Learn something new on Wings everyday so you do.

@Tinto Chiel

A bit cheesed off then? No surprised.

You’ve got to be cruel to be rind, Alex.

*Takes beamer at appalling joke*

Have contacted Waitrose Customer Services with my complaint.

Pointless ah ken but I need to channel my inner Vlad The Impaler.

Dunsyre Blue, ya bass.

And to you, Ian.

Hope The Rev is ok too, frankly.

@ Ian Brotherhood Have a good weekend as well Ian. link to youtube.com

Hoots Michael, as aye, and warmest of welcomes to The Proctor Lewis.

It’s about time we started making arrangements for the Sep 16th ‘social’, eh?

Timely…
link to youtube.com

And we will sleep by the ocean
Our hearts will move with the tide
And we will wake in the morning
To see the sun paint the sky

“Coastline”
link to youtube.com

For, Brian DTT, in particular, and all in general.

We believe that everyone is equal. We are all human. We all deserve the world. And we can build that equality by sharing what love, knowledge, and magic we have, with others.

All we Do
link to youtube.com

Goodnight Brian; 🙂

John Lee Hooker & ZZ Top:”Boom boom boom”
link to youtube.com

Ian B – you’re fibbin’!

All that’s appeared is me going on about what hasn’t appeared.

So there!

This song is for a sister who has suffered a great loss, she will understand. I ask for it to be used in a respectful way.

Cherokee Memorial Song
link to youtube.com

Nvwadohiyadv, Igido Usdi

Hi chasanderson200.

Pete phoned this morning to say he was feeling a tad under the weather and my sinuses were all clogged up. Plus I was arranging car insurance online and I had to go through the process twice, because the first attempt took me almost to completion – then logged me out!

I caught a bit of the march on Livestream but the video kept freezing, then, before any speakers or entertainers appeared, the stream returned to the “waiting for the stream to commence” message.

I’m still getting emails – the last about half an hour ago – telling me that the video of the march and rally is now live!

Onnyhoo, will definitely be at the George Square rally, come what may…

Aweright bros, aye for Sept 16th.

Thistle be the biggest one yet!

Evan Greer:”The Good Fight”
link to youtube.com

Fancy a good greet?

I’m at a funny age.

link to youtube.com

Smallaxe: too close to home, old fruit.

Fortunately, exquisite cheekbones are for ever.

And lallies, obvs.

What HandandShrimp said. What’s up, Doc?

Hey, Smallaxe, since you’re here:

I’m thinking of switching to crushed velvet salopettes for my autumn Dubrovnik look, and ditching the lungi look a’ the gither.

Any thoughts?

Thought Ghillie was a man the other night so this sprang to mind:

link to youtube.com

Am I losing it?

Please advise.

*Muses thereon*

I know deep in my watter that thou speakest sooth, old pal, so thanks.

Salopettes, ya bass!

I’m 6’1″, btw.

Sage advice, as it happens.

Pure whacked ma napper aff ma lintel.

Think a return to the Osiris Orc boots required.

So tough remaining a la mode.

Everyone be cool, Corbyn’s talking about the “nations, and regions of England”.
The comma makes all the difference.

Corbyn is listing Sco, Wal, & N Ire as nations here, to be included alongside the English regions in his pie-in-the-sky federal UK.

Be annoyed at Corbyn for his unworkable federal plan, not for calling Scotland an English nation. He did not say that.

link to youtube.com

Tinto Chiel

Re. “The Mysterious Winger” posting Annie Laurie songs. Guilty as charged. It can’t be that long ago? Sorry but I can’t remember where it fitted in to the story I was telling.

This you just catching up with thing ya bass mate? 🙂

Hi, Macart, Nana has had treatment on her hands and her hands and arms are strapped up so she cannot type. I’m doing my best but I’ll never be as good as she is.

I will tell Nana that you were asking for her and give her your regards. I enjoyed your posts on the Wee Ginger Dug, well done my friend.
🙂

CameronB: great to see you back. I speak for many when I say we have an inalienable right to your sage comments 😉 . I thought it was you wot posted it originally.

All your internet probs solved? Get back on the M/T and save us from the fudricks who are clogging things up. My scroller’s red-hot zooming past the zoomers we’ve got at the mo.

Nana: look after yourself. If you don’t get better soon I’ll write an ode to you. Mind you, your wee ‘prentice is no’ bad.

CameronB Brodie;

What Tinto said.
🙂

Those spoofs are funny, Smallaxe.

Now that CameronB’s back, does anyone know about Ruby of Ruby Replies fame? It occurred to me recently that she has been absent for a long time. She was on the night I randomly played The Bogus Man and Breeks thought I was calling him a troll.

Ah, the memories…..

Hi Cameron
Good tae see ye back.
I see that your only going to pop in occasionally….but can you not leave it as long as ye did.
I was beginning to worry about ye….and I have enough to do worrying about Scotland!!!
Just a hi would be fine…..and then you will no get moaned at,and I am an expert at that….. year’s of practice ye see..

Hiya, Cameron,

Best not to be stranger than what?

Irma-Love You link to youtube.com

Her:”Swim”
link to youtube.com

Well, well boys and girls. It would appear that The Dug has gone noo. Whitevir next.

Smallaxe,that’s good news about LA , thanks for that.

Thought I’d post over here now, M/T is too new, save some for the others.

The young chap in this video helped to build our new bridge:
link to youtube.com

Remember this on yer Channel 4 televisual screens…

“Ride Free, Citizens:”
link to youtube.com

Biker Mice Fae Mars.

Countdown.

Hello folks,

Some advice needed – I took notes – seen below – of the talk Rob Shorthouse did about the Better Together Campaign, and below that – Robin MacAlpines talk about how we convert our No voters into Yes.

I’m look for 2 things – a list of questions for telephone ‘market research’ which will ‘plant the seeds’ .

And also, a Yes Campaign Plan + Corporate Message if you like for Yes.

This is not my field, and I know your a talented bunch… so can you have a look at the below and give me some thoughts.

I’m doing my Brexit research just now, the plan being to produce a short list of the European Agencies we are about to loose, then a thumb nail description of what each one does… and the jobs/business impact…. all of which is a damn sight more than the WM Govmt have done!

Any way. Best wishes to all.

And isn’t the Harp of the North Fantastic, absolutely stunning. YES WE CAN.

BETTER TOGETHER CAMPAIGN TACTICS

Summary taken from Rob Shorthouse’s Talk

UNDERSTAND YOUR AUDIENCE

COLLECT YOUR DATA

RUN THE CAMPAIGN THE DATA TELLS YOU TO RUN

(NOT THE CAMPAIGN THAT IS EASY TO RUN)

SOCIAL MEDIA – HOW IT IS USED

310 YEARS UK EXISTED
A YES VOTE WOULD HAVE WIPED THAT – GONE

28 MONTHS CAMPAIGN

8 POLITICAL PARTIES / GOVERNMENT AGENCIES

16 AND 17 YEARS OLDS VOTING – CUT THE MESSAGE FOR THEM

97% REGISTERED TO VOTE – 85 % TURN OUT

55.3 % FINAL RESULT – 2 MILLION VOTES

Ask a theoretical question – get a theoretical answer.

Had no clue at start.

Spent All their Money, Time and Energy to find out the numbers and how people would vote.

30% Solid YES

40% Solid NO

30% Undecided – they threw everything at this group. Entire Campaign aimed at them.

Analysed what this 30% wanted to hear about. What should we be talking to them about. Huge research.

Result – RISK AND UNCERTAINTY AND SOMETHING TO VOTE FOR

STRATEGY USED – TELL PEOPLE THE PROBLEMS = RISK AND UNCERTAINTY
TELL THEM THE SOLUTION

People felt anxious about this big decision – DON’T WORRY HERE’S THE SOLUTION

BEST OF BOTH WORLDS – they liked the idea of working together, solidarity, achieving, caring about Scotland and Britain

More Powers for Scotland – Vote NO

Use the word AND never use BUT

You can have this AND you can have that

Strength, security, stability AND more powers

Core vote 40% largely ignored – they were motivated by Union Jacks and Land of Hope and Glory, British identify, etc

Stay on Track – Retain Flexibility – able to dial up and down

Closer to the Day of Vote – research showed

People got Risk and Uncertainty
People got More Powers
Lost track of Solidarity

Really had to work to bring that back hence TV advert for Labour party. Lots of B and W footage of workers and blitz and labour party leaders
Minors, John Smith, Shipyards, Solidarity, Equality, Slum clearance, Minimum Wage, Shared Cost / something bigger
Journey continues,
Stand up for security, The pound, Progress, Proud, Unity is Strength
Solidarity used 16 times

Social Media Used a Lot – info graphics v important.

Twitter used for immediate impact – to aggressively debunk everything

Facebook – influence in a slower way, spread out over a longer period, where the conversation happened

At start of campaign people got their info from MSM. Latter stages from Facebook

They had twitter squads, banks of people – aggressively rebutting points

Facebook Team – using info graphics, real stories, videos

Peak time use between 8pm and 10 pm for Facebook

Oliver reached 7.5 m in one evening. Population of Scotland 5 m.

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There is a very interesting interview/podcast of Robin MacAlpine on Newsnet which I’ve paraphrased.  Not everyone has internet access or the time to sit down and listen to the Podcast.

I think it is interesting because it talks tactics.  Can this be circulated and can we have an open to all meeting to debrief about Indyref1 and the GE’s and form tactics to move ahead – both for the SNP and YES2.

I am conscious of the ‘market research’ phone call I received from the Conservatives before the GE.  What will be needed are some very well thought out and structured questions, with a view to both prompt and info gather.

One source of reassurance I have from the relentless Media onslaught is that Market Research continually shows that the personal recommendation from someone respected in your personal circle, particularly if they offer something a bit bespoke, out beats all other methods.  Potentially we can turn the overwhelming negativity of the media, into an opportunity for people to ‘learn the real story’ and  be and more importantly ‘feel’ more knowledgeable.

Robin made the following points:

Our former No Voters – hate the debate, it upsets them.

Often they display an inconsistency of Views, for example many voted No out of fear of being out of the EU and now they say there was a Vote and we have to respect the result.

They often have underlying values and beliefs which are very different to what they say and what they say they think.

If the approach to them is ‘You were wrong’, and try to make them defend previous decisions – however tempting – this method never works.

What does work is to try and understand their underlying real concerns,
to engage in a conversation with them,
to emphasise that the circumstances have moved on, that the decision they made then, with the information that they had was one thing, but there is new information to hand now, and times have changed
for the purposes of a Referendum, and indeed for local elections (but with far more to choose from) provide them with motivating factors.

Robin also explained that the Tories campaigning ‘no to IndyRef2’ packed the emotional reward/message of ‘you were right, they were wrong’ and may have a more limited impact when wheeled out again.

We should not get embroiled in arguments with Conservatives.  Our audience is with the public in Scotland, and our attitude should be one of a 2 way conversation with them, like putting the case to a jury.

He believes that the biggest potential for movement from No to Yes is with low to middle income OAP, but at the same time, no group is not considered.

He made the point that – with regards SNP / Brexit – we should never wait to be saved by the failures of our enemies.

Petra,

The SIC is not exactly in its infancy. In fact it was formed a little before Independence First (the two organisations were close allies). Must have been around 2005.
In those days, the SIC met in Holyrood debating chambers which were going spare. Don’t know if they still do, haven’t been to a meeting in years not since David McCann (who posts regularly on Wings) was secretary.

Elaine C had become convener though. I remember designing a promo leaflet featuring her photie on photoshop.

The Art of Fighting without Fighting;
link to youtube.com

The thing about social exclusion and marginalization, is it grinds down the victim’s resilience and ultimately their power of agency. Thanks HMG, I’m really looking forward to post-Brexit Britain, with Scotland’s socio-economic reality likely to be sorely diminished as a consequence of English nationalist exceptionalism.

Frankie Beverly & The Butlers – Love (Your Pain Goes Deep)
link to youtube.com

I would turn my small coffee shop into a YES shop in a heartbeat, but there seems little point until the date is called.

For now I just put up some posters, still have some wee black books, iScot Mag and other stuff. (Not in your face, but there for anyone to read)

I offered the entire shop to YES Scotland in Jan. 2014 rent free for 4 or 5 months, and they couldn’t be arsed getting back to me.

Anyhow, just to say once the date is called there is one more Yes shop right here. (rural Stirlingshire)

Now this is what YES should do around George Square / City Square / St Andrews Square / any square – on 18th Sept

link to youtube.com

Thank you Ian.

So according to tRuthless, one should submit to might. A classical fascists stance, frankly.

Link Wray & The Wraymen – Rumble Mambo
link to youtube.com

@David (9.04) –

Great stuff there. Valuable testimony.

I’m one of the people who saw it and RT’d it.

I didn’t RT it thinking ‘I’m one of many thousands who will do this’ – I did it because I liked it, and that decision was made in ?/ths of a second.

@ David, looks a bit Howson-ish?

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By coincidence, 3rd September 1939 was a Sunday.

I think I offered this link at some time in the past. If you know the Dundee area and/or are interested in the early days of RADAR, it could be worth a skeck. The aerodromes at Scone and Leuchars feature, along with the coastal CH (Chain Home) radar at Douglas Wood, north of Dundee.

Memoirs of a Boffin
link to whitehead-family.ca

Here’s a couple of snippets from Chapter 2.

“My first boss, Professor Oliphant, drove three of us from Felixtowe to Dundee on Saturday the 2nd of September, 1939.
[snip]
We stopped over at his home in North Berwick. It was there that we heard Neville Chamberlain announce that we were at war with Germany. It was Sunday morning, September 3rd, 1939.

We arrived in Dundee later that fateful day. The following morning…
[snip]
We were to set up our new laboratories on one floor of the Teachers’ Training College in Dundee. The lower floor was occupied by the college. As it was peopled largely by eligible young women, it is not surprising that a number of TRE scientists married Scottish teachers. Other than that it was not very suitable accommodation for the research establishment on which the future conduct of the war would largely depend.”

My Mum had her 13th birthday on 4th September 1939. Nice birthday present, iye?

BTW: I spent my early years in Nethergate, and knew Mrs Myles (mentioned in Chapter 2). At around 4-8 years old, I found her a “scary wummun”. She lived in the red sandstone tenement just down from The Phoenix.

Hi Robert Peffers , thanks for your response but can I ask something else? Driving through Fallin there is ‘ The Gothenburg ‘. Obviously an old mining village, I ve often wondered where Gothenburg fits in?

Why were places like in Kelly called Gothenburg ?

Molly: I don’t think Robert comes on here very often.

Reprising my weird theme of some time ago:

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I saw this place in May this year: not a great experience. More winos than a Ruth Davidson Responsible Councillor Non-Orange Re-education Programme.

The Goths were charitable public houses run by a trust. Do any still exist?

@Fred
“@ David, looks a bit Howson-ish?”

I agree, my wife used to be friends with his partner when we lived on the West coast.

Have often thought some of his paintings caught the essence of a certain element in the population or even some political candidates:-

link to edinburgh-shop.com

Thanks Legerwood , just you know how you wonder why would it be called that ? I suppose you take at face value what buildings are there now, forgetting it wasn’t always like that.

I’d forgotten about Jack, Chic.

McArthur Park was unusual and original in its slightly hysterical way but once heard, never forgotten.

Anyone know if Smallaxe is ok?

Molly @ 1.13am

My son lived in Dunfermline for a time and I used to pass the Goth and wondered why it was called that. In my innocence thought it had something to do with punks and heavy metal bands!

Then when I was reading volume 2 of TC Smouts ‘History of the Scottish People’ there was a section on alcohol and Scotland’s relationship with it and the Gothenburg pubs were mentioned. Really interesting. The trust’s that ran the system used the money raised from the Goths to help fund local amenities such as libraries etc.

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Yes, Marie, you sure miss them, don’t you?

Smallaxe is the only one who laughs at my jokes and Nana stops me drinking the hard stuff.

Not even Paula Rose’s lovely ankles can compensate.

Tinto Honey you often cause me to chuckle.

Naw it’s jist the wey ahm staunin!

The Killers folks! link to youtube.com

@Tinto Chiel

Couldn’t help but notice your wee disagreement with eth poster going by the name of “David”. You were quite right to pull him up in my view and his response proves it.

Anyway it got me confused because “David” posts here too though he is as sound as a Scottish pound.

I never knew this until tonight that two posters could have the same Username on Wings Shurely some mistake!

The good David is “daviddynamo” who posts here on Off Topic, just hover over his icon to see. The racist and ignorant David is dekkan who doesn’t post here on Off Topic.

A flaw in the Rev’s system allowing more than one person to post with the same username I would think.

@ Fred and Chick, yes the pic does look similar to Peter Howson’s work. Violence, drink, focus on muscles – sounds very Tory MP, basically. 🙂

@Alex Clark, shucks ta. Just like for every other name, some Daves are good guys, and some Daves are w*nks…
Me, I’m just misunderstood:

Nazareth – Bad Bad Boy
link to youtube.com

Ah Tonto Chief, me likee keemo sabae. LOL

link to youtube.com

Ladies, all I can say is that I’ve defo got Jay’s sublime cheekbones and my goat and anchovy Sicilian tart is something of a sensation in these here parts.

Sometime you just have to accept the hand destiny deals…..

Alex Clark @ 18:27, 05.Sep.2017,

Aye, it wis me. I thought somebody ought to say something, since quotes like that could be deliberately planted to offer ammo to detractors.

He was back near the start of the next thread (“What we stand to lose”) with an even worse open anti-Muslim rant buried inside some more conventional pro-indy comments. I was tempted to tackle him again over that one by asking “Do you possibly represent Racists for Indy (membership: 1)?” but I thought the better of it. Only drawing attention to him and it. I’m surprised though that Stu hasn’t removed it since, but maybe he’s still distracted elsewhere.

I think the fellow has also posted at times as “David Caledonia”, with the same nasty streak.

You know what? – I have long had the notion that this character is actually David Coburn. Looking for a new gig now his party is falling apart. My mrs was recently on the same plane as him from Brussels, ‘cept she was in steerage and he was in 1st with a glass of wine. All on EU expenses, no doubt, while the hypocrite complains about everything EU.

Thought that there Ian Brotherhood was looking pretty good in that vid., although he could perhaps adjust his gait a little.

A song for Smallaxe: look after yourself.

link to youtube.com

Smallaxe, whit did I tell ye aboot ower dain things. Dearie me.

All joking aside my friend, I’m sorry that you’ve been back in hospital. I hope your doing a bit better now. Please take care of yourself, we need you. Here’s a wee song for you.

link to youtube.com

@Marie Clark

Ah good choice Marie xx 🙂

Sigh thee not, Marie: we are stardust, we are golden…

Haven’t had the heart to tell Alex that’s a picture of me before an ill-judged appearance at Blantyre Miners’ Welfare for a silly bet.

I had the lallies for it in the late 60s.

*sighs too*

For any of you that know how to access twitter go look at #MoggMentum – you may have difficulty holding your sides or ruining your keyboards or holding liquids in.

deets tae thescottishrebels@gmail.com

comin ower fir a laugh 🙂 and it will be a laugh 🙂

P.S. Don’t be lulled into thinking that Eugenics was an evil that has been consigned to the past. So what about Brexit and future UK immigration policy.

“What we are facing is a time when genomic knowledge widens and gene engineering will be possible and widespread,” said Nina Jablonski, Distinguished Professor of Anthropology. “We must constantly monitor how this information on human gene diversity is used and interpreted. Any belief system that seeks to separate people on the basis of genetic endowment or different physical or intellectual features is simply inadmissible in human society.”

link to news.psu.edu

Today is September 7th, so…

Happy Independence Day, Brazil!

I hope Scotland’s Independence Day is not too long in coming.

P.S. They have bagpipes in some of their military bands. Brought a wee tear to my eye seeing and hearing them.

I have often pointed out that modern eugenics began in the UK.

Francis Galton, who coined the term, was a cousin of Charles Darwin and much to the latter’s dismay extended the survival of the fittest doctrine to humanity and society.

It quickly gained popularity in the UK then America and Europe, especially Germany.

Karl Pearson was one of Galton’s acolytes who helped spread the concept in Germany in the early 20th century, believed wars between superior and inferior races were inevitable. He changed his name spelling from Carl to Karl to make it appear more German.

Forced sterilization, i.e. active eugenics, became quite commonplace before the rise of the Nazis, they didn’t invent it.

It became an academic subject at many colleges and universities and Galton was knighted by the UK Government.

Pearson, who considered himself a socialist was also offered a knighthood in 1935 but turned it down.

Despite the awful consequences culminating WWII, it has never quite gone away.

It is only about 10 years ago that a well known SLAB boy from the West of Scotland advocated adding contraceptive chemicals to recovering addict’s methadone, although I doubt in his case, if he could have even spelled eugenics at the time.

Poor old Darwin understood enough of the survival of the fittest theory he undoubtedly came across on his studies in Scotland, to promote, very successfully, his ‘own’ version of it but failed to grasp certain statistically based realities pertaining to it. Even though Matthew had clearly described them in his earlier publication of the theory.

Basically, natural selection of traits common to a species like humanity, can only be propagated throughout the species by one-on-one sexual means. That one-on-one propagation system means that any new trait, however advantageous it is to survival, depends on having a small population to do so. The number of generations taken for it to be propagated throughout a given population increases exponentially with the population size. If the population is successful and grows in size rapidly, it cannot change significantly by natural selection. Nearly all human communities are above a population size which would make such propagation feasible within a reasonable time frame and those which are small enough for propagation are more likely to propagate adverse traits and be less successful.

Effectively, propagation of rarely occurring genetic trait, cannot become an entire species trait by natural selection.
Commonly occurring trait generation could still propagate by multiple genesis but then every community of the species would still evolve similarly. The rarely occurring traits which define a species, cannot.

Further physiological advancement of human evolution by natural selection has effectively ceased, and long, long ago.

For those who feel humanity still needs to physiologically evolve further, that leaves only the option of unnatural selection, selection by humans. Breeding, selective sterilization, extermination in the past.

All huge moral issues.

However, humanity has evolved a hugely complex and versatile brain, which is capable of evolutionary advance.
I don’t mean the machine capabilities of the brain are evolving.
The human brain can and does physically rewire itself in response to nothing more than the input it receives.
I suppose it is a bit analogous to a computer which becomes more useful over its lifetime by being programmed by better software.

Each new generation has a computer which benefits from the latest software as saved by the previous generation.

The extent to which the human brain can continue to do do this is still unknown.

That evolution is accelerating because of the increased exposure to such mind altering ideas via the internet.

Our brains have probably had more physiological re-wirings than any other generation in the history of mankind. (no comments).

While civilization continues to advance in that way there is no logical argument for ‘improving’ the human species even if there were any kind of certainty or consensus on what that ‘improvement’ might be or who would be entitled to do the selection.

Unfortunately, much as I would love to shelve that moral dilemma, it is arising again because of technological advances which allow the possibility of less unthinkable proactive measures rather than the unacceptable reactive ones of the past.

Human genome mapping is uncovering more and more genetic causes of some pretty terrible diseases. The ability to identify and select on that basis already exists.
Even where an established familial genetic defect exists the ability to correct it by genetic engineering, while leaving the rest of DNA intact grows.

Should we do so though?

Big moral dilemma.

Most folk would, I suspect, be in favour of eliminating those genes responsible for horrible diseases but where does it end?

Stewartb

I will do the same, surely this is so obvious that there have to be ramifications.
This is probably the tip of the iceberg but still so galling!
Thanks for taking the time to check it out.

Chick McGregor
I forgot to say “nice one”. 😉

Admittedly he’s an amusing side-show.

What is Value Theory? (Axiology and Theory of Value)
link to youtube.com

Chapter 6: Theories of Value
link to d.umn.edu

Theory of Value: An Axiomatic Analysis of Economic Equilibrium
link to cowles.yale.edu

Chick McGregor
I have a rather simple doctrin:

Are your decisions and actions supportive of the principle of universal human rights*?

A. Yes – have a slice of cake.

C. No – some reassessment of one’s values and beliefs is both desirable and advisable. No cake for you.

‘Unfortunately’, HMG does not appear to support the principle of universal human rights. Otherwise, indyref’14 would have been of an entirely different character, IMHO, and Scotland most probably now an independent state.

*Absence of such is likely to severely hinder efforts towards achieving inclusive social integration, tolerance and world peace.

P.S. Social mobility is key to inclusive social integration and so ultimately bio-diversity. Britain is extremely poor at enabling social mobility, largely because of dribbles of piss like Mogg.

CameronB Brodie @ 03:02,

Hi Cameron. Good to see you in full flow again. You appear to have found your own true niche on WoS! =grin=