Wings Over Scotland

It’s merely sleeping, stunned . Useless is as Useless does.

It’s no’ a deid cat – it’s pinin’ for the fjords! Honest!

The political class – updated definition: Those who sell snake oil. We really are well and truly in the post-truth world now. Heaven help us!

Monty Python’s infamous Dead Parrot sketch also springs to mind. ?

Brilliant, again.

The ‘continuity candidate’ will soon have to face up to what he did.

Another Schrödinger’s situation is the Lord Advocate who put out a statement which said firstly she is a member of cabinet then was all about her independence and the COPFS independence. She is tied into collective responsibility but also free as a bird.

This is why Salmond took the LA out of cabinet so that position would actually be independent as operates in most liberal democracies. It certainly does in NZ. The Attorney General is one of the three pillars of the state.

At one point PM, AG & Governor General were all women. Actual women.

A very apt cartoon.
The face of a man you would trust as far as you could throw him.

The writing was on the wall when we discovered during Alex Salmond’s fit up that the SNP was chock full of people “soft on independence”, the inevitable outcome was no cohesive way forward on self determination.

Unfortunately for Scotland there are people like the gingernuts still waiting for Nicola’s secret plan and for Boris to ‘grant’ us a referendum. It’s these people who support this shit show who are really to blame.
Allowing politicians carte blanche to do as they please is never a good idea and the witless wonders who buy into this nonsense by voting for Unionists, as that’s what the SNP can genuinely be described as by their words and actions, are a crooked bend when all we need is a straight road.

Purring like a cat?

The sums are beginning to add-up.

Humza, counting seats as opposed to votes, a taxing problem!

UK authorities, happy to count their blessings.

Devolution by numbers!

One, two, three, four
One, two (one, two, three, four!)
Let me tell you how it will be..

Mugged Again!

@Alf Baird, if you haven’t seen this you may find it interesting.

Paul Hogan interviewed by Parkinson in 1979.

Turns out Hogan was the first to tackle and overcome the Australian ‘cringe’.

link to youtube.com

I see the glen sannox delivery is slipping again

Asking for UK maritime approval and asking the supreme court to rule against Westminster.

I am sure I am not alone in suspecting a smell from whitehall phones ringing to say hold of approval and there is a wee gong in the post.

Tony Little says:
1 July, 2023 at 8:20 am
There are so many Schrodinger-like things in Scotland.

Our Oil & Gas, is both a dying (or dead) asset, but also worth billions to the UK economy.

Scotland has enormous riches of hydrocarbons under the sea and under our feet.

We could have the cheapest energy bills in Western Europe, rapidly moving people out of poverty by lowering the cost of living and creating more profitable opportunities for job creation.

But we’re being herded towards a crushingly poorer, massively indebted future where wealth flows from the poor to the rich to pay for expensive windmills and solar panels and the like, based on an unproven conspiracy theory that we can control the Earth’s weather patterns via taxation.

Do *you*, dear reader, think Lorna Slater, Humza Yousaf, or Rishi Sunak can “fix” the 4.5 billion year old climactic system of an entire planet? They can’t even guarantee you’ll still have uninterrupted electricity supplies this winter.

Scotland free, or a desert.

Red.

England has been robbing Scotland of its mineral assets (oil/Gas) for decades, now our renewables are also being stolen, England steals huge quantities of energy from Scotland, we are in a political union not a territorial one, but England steals it anyway with the help of House Jocks.

Our largest city doesn’t even have an airport rail link to it, our roads an infrastructure are in poor condition. England steals millions from Scotland every day using accounting tricks to hide our wealth from us, yet our people allow this to happen, basically they are allowing a foreign country’s government (with the aid of House Jock and the foreign MSM) to steal our children’ grandchildren’s futures by doing nothing to ditch this rancid undemocratic onesided union.

To add insult to injury more and more incomers are swarming up to Scotland from South of the border.

I had a telephone conversation this morning with one of my mates, who I hadn’t spoken to in a wee while.

He is not an SNP member, but he is a Yes voter and a believer in the immense benefits of Independence.

This is the first time we have spoken since Haunless Useless got the top job and my mate is definitely not impressed. However, he still believes Oor Nicola can do no wrong and that Alex Salmond is a mysoginist bully who should be cast into outer darkness.

I have tried for years to tell him he’s got it wrong, but, he cannot see it.

That is the problem we face. My otherwise sensible mate has been brain-washed into backing the wrong horse, and he’s not the only one. Until we finally get shot of the cult of Stuirgeon, we are nmot getting Independence.

This from Keystone Cops aka Police Scotland on the huge number of bigots set to flood Glasgow next Saturday as part of the O/O.

“Chief superintendent Stevie Dolan said: “Police Scotland is a rights-based organisation that puts our values of integrity, fairness, respect and a commitment to upholding human rights at the heart of everything we do.

“We are committed to supporting the human rights of individuals and groups who wish to assemble, balanced against the rights of the wider community and ensuring the safety of everyone involved.”

I wonder if I organised a Nabka day march or a demo day with regards to say, the sacking of Constantinople in 1453, or any such march exalting the victory over another religious group of people hundreds of years ago, would Police Scotland be so accommodating, I very much doubt it.

The O/O marches sow division in Scotland and aid the foreign government of Westminster in the process.

FFS SNP get your act together and stop making idiots out of the party and the people of Scotland. We are never going to get anywhere in a Westminster election with the majority of seats won.

We could be Independent in a years time with Scotland united, Scotland united has to get together now so we have a full year if not more to educate the general public.

Independence isn’t about who you like or dislike FFS its about a lot more than that.

If the SNP can’t run the fiances of a party and an assembly who going to trust them to run a country.

You have to be moron living in world cuckoo land not to believe that this police investigation isn’t going to come to an end just right before the next general election.

But with Scotland united all under one banner it’ll be a lot harder to destroy the SNP.

“SNP MSPs vote against Milly’s Law plan, which focused on amending the Government’s Patient Safety Commissioner Bill. It would mean the Commissioner would represent those affected by a major incident in health care safety.”

‘Milly’s Law’, named after tragic 10 year Milly Main, An independent probe eventually concluded that Milly died after “probably” catching a water-linked ­infection at the QUEH.

@RoS11:17

Wow, I was completely unaware that Police Scotland banned the Bannockburn March, due to have been held just one week ago, to commemorate something that happened in 1314.

Your righteous wrath that PS stopped that March from happening, yet will permit the OO marches, is entirely justified.

Haud oan, I have just been told that the Bannockburn March did actually go ahead! PS in actual fact treating all marchers, as long as they behave legally, equally.

So your justification for your greetin consists of your belief that we Sovereign Scots should only do things of which you approve. We are a free people, strictly within the limits you believe you are empowered to set.

Fuck that.

100%yes

Tak a wee keek at the boy on the left of the cartoon at the top.

Does he look like the leader of the free, independent, ancient, sovereign nation of Scotland?

A worthy successor to Wallace, Bruce, Salmond?

I’m calling out your “overwhelming” Yes vote as BS.

Get back to us when Indy has a true leader, worthy of the trust and respect of us Scots.

Free Scotland.

Scotland United for Independence. We want it now.

Sven @ 12.00.

Actually, I think I’m on to something with my suggestion: Izzie is a one club golfer, doesn’t answer questions, and seems well behind the curve. Just like Pete.

He is of course a prime example of Schrodinger’s cat as well, a paradox of quantum superposition, both alive and dead at the same time. I expect he’s gone to Copenhagen on his hols. for an interpretation of his condition.

If you replace the ballot box in Chris’s cartoon with a photo of Pete with a ‘Schodinger’s Cat’ label round his neck it has the same effect.

I’m not signing up to twitter just to read a few posts – anyone know a workaround?

@RoS

“To add insult to injury more and more incomers are swarming up to Scotland from South of the border.”

A few days ago you referred to people being smuggled onto Englands shores as “boat people” as if they were genuine refugees. You appear to be against legal migration from England and for illegal immigration into England. Do you believe that Scotland is going to be exempt from white indigenous minority status in our major cities like England now has because we’re better than them and the homogenous international community recognises that?

Re regular posts claiming that the SNP has been wrecked by the forces of the British state. This may well be the case but history shows that the forces of Bolshevism are not fond of nationalism and use entryism/salami politics to infiltrate a party and/or movement and take it over from within via smear, shaming and culls. Sound familiar?

The issue of English people settling in Scotland is made more acute owing to the age group to which they might belong. Scotland’s ageing demographic is being topped up by «imports» very set in their political habits. The Sturgeon initiative to turn the country into a gender fluid paradise has compounded the problem.
Be that as it may, the young will not stay in a land of old people no matter how fluid the gender. A younger Scotland might even be independent by now.

100%Yes @ 1:30 pm

“can you explain to me how we get Scotland united without the SNP?”

The co-opted SNP elite front a colonial administration which by implication is anti-independence. As signed up Ministers of the Imperial Crown their main task, and that of the civil service and a range of other institutions, is to prevent independence.

On how colonialism ‘works’:
link to bpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com

Anton Decadent @ 1:42 pm

“Scotland is going to be exempt”

A colonized people and nation ‘is out of the game’. They have no control over their own culture, language, laws, history, economy, politics, matters of war and peace, or their borders.

It is not therefore a case of being ‘exempt’ from anything; a colonised people are subject to anything the oppressor considers appropriate for them. As Alex Cole Hamilton and other Imperialists have said, they simply don’t want Scotland (or by implication ‘Scots’) to exist; that is the essential purpose of colonialism and the ‘union’ hoax, as it always was.

Alf, do you believe that if and when Scotland gains independence it would be a case of internalised racism for it to enforce border controls with the stated aim of not finding itself in the situation in which England and France now find themselves? Are both of those countries, which both have a colonial history, currently being colonised?

@Alf Baird, I’m reposting this from 9.48 this morning.

Paul Hogan interviewed by Parkinson in 1979.

Turns out Hogan was the first to tackle (and capitalise on?) the Australian ‘cringe’. His comments on American and ‘Pom’ humour are interesting.

Australian cringe? Who knew?!

link to youtube.com

Can anyone possibly explain to me why Alex Salmond was persecuted day and daily by the MSM for hair pinging and FALSE accusations by a person PROVEN not to be at the location of the accusation , and then DRAGGED through the courts twice to prove his innocence which he did

WHY then do we have these deviant politicians who have committed sexual assaults on innocent people walking FREE without any criminal charges being brought against them, not only that they are openly looking to be selected again for political office with the support of their fellow deviants in the Scottish Nonce Party, WHY are the MEDIA and the justiciary not OUTRAGED by that

@100%yes 1:14

Best route to Indy?

Show us the money.

Unless you wish to claim that of all nations and ethnic groups in the world, we Scots are uniquely averse to getting personally and nationally richer.

In which case, the 30 years greeting about Scotland’s oil & gas being stolen was spectacularly ill-advised.

Don’t worry, it wasn’t. That’s the route to Indy. Forget Culloden, 1707, and the rest of the historical guff. Just like the majority of Scots already have. Lay out the clear, understandable, comprehensive, plausible explanation of how post-Indy, Scots voters and citizens will be better off. No just have faith bollocks. A logical, rational, grounded, realpolitik plan.

It needs grown ups to make it work – competent, articulate, savvy politicians, economists, negotiators, civil servants, etc. All the talents the SNP and the Greens lack.

RoS,

there’s 750,000 Scots living in England (2021 census). So what’s your point?

“Lay out the clear, understandable, comprehensive, plausible explanation of how post-Indy, Scots voters and citizens will be better off.”

Pft..

Instead Main why don’t you regale us all with the benefits of remaining in this rancid union, if and its a big if you can find any. No conferring with your Denison buddies now, and no phoning Reeves or Fleming for help. Mind you the DG of Mi5 the utter House Jock and Glesga boy McCallum might help you put down Scotland.

“there’s 750,000 Scots living in England (2021 census). So what’s your point?”

And their presence does absolutely f*ck all to tip the balance in a country of 50 million when it comes to voting, however 500,000+ English folk living in Scotland really does affect the outcome of a vote especially a constitutional one if they are all enfranchised.

The English have already f*cked the Welsh from getting anymore EU subsidies (Wales was a frequent recipient of them).

link to theguardian.com

My point is there are too many English folk in Scotland and we need to find a way to stop more from flooding in.

Evidence on demography of Scotland and the implications.

link to committees.parliament.uk

“The best route to indy”

Go out the same door we came in,
Walk away,

No Scot has yet been asked if the want to join a treaty of union with England…..That slips quite a few peoples minds,

Queen Anne was not Queen of Scotland in 1707 nor was she Sovereign in Scotland when she used the Seal of Scotland in 1707, when she made a personal choice to join a faux union.

Both the parliaments articles once ratified to the treaty of the union became void when both parliaments were extinguished.

Although there is ample evidence the Old Westminster parliament of England pulled a fast one on Scotland by not ceasing to be active or extinguishing itself.
Thus only one Country in the treaty of a hoax union.

Excellent, Chris. Schrödinger’s cat: it’s either alive or it’s dead. Just like the SNP’s commitment to independence. It’s alive when they want your vote, it’s dead when they need to act.

University of Aberdeen, School of Law. By Scott Styles.
Brexit.

Article 50,

The Royal perogative is not a reserved in the Scotland Act, or for that matter to Westminster parliament.
The Scots under the artcle of the union and Article 50 could end the treaty of union without permission.

Better understood if independence supporters read it themselves in its full context,
Interestingly it was wrote by someone whom seems to favour the union,
Snp never mentioned this.when they took the money,

Anton Decadent @ 3:23 pm

“the situation in which England and France now find themselves”

..is clearly a consequence of their efforts to colonise and plunder many of the world’s peoples and nations. Oppressed peoples in the colonies were taught to aspire to be culturally English or French and told that their own national culture and identity was subordinate and invalid; some of them (mainly the collaborative bourgeoisie) actually believed this hence their preference after independence to live in London and Paris instead of Lagos and Algiers.

Colonial and cultural assimilation means that even some (bourgeois) Scots clearly prefer to be culturally English/British. Colonialism is always ‘a co-operative venture’ (Memmi; Fanon) and Scotland is nae different.

O/T: HSBC head is in a transman relationship. The couple are Patrons of Mermaid. Says Re on twitter [visible via Barrhead Boy’s blog screen].

The Rev’s bank account was with HSBC.

Surely there is no causal link between the two facts? 🙂

“then there’s going to be a huge amount of anger if someone tries to deny them a vote.”

It would only be a denial of a vote on a constitutional matter, other nations do the same.

@Alf Baird (6.54) –

It’s interesting that even the newest colonies were subjected to the same shite as the oldest.

Here’s another example featuring naturalised Australians not putting up any pish.

Clive Anderson vs The Bee Gees.

link to youtube.com

Of course the SNP are not an English National Party, they are as Scottish as me and you, but they are not dedicated to Independence, rather to self promotion and self enrichment. Basically they are a cult with tens of thousands of befuddled members who have in US parlance, have been “Drinking the Koolaid” for years.
Many here were amongst them even after the corruption of the Salmond inquiry was expose.
Shit for brains just about covers it and we need to shut up shop and wait for a new uncontaminated generation free from present illogicality’s.

I left the SNP over the Salmond debacle.

I did vote in GE2019 as she was going up against BoJo but that was only after a twitter pile on where I said I wasn’t voting.

I relented in the end BUT I should’ve stuck with my gut instinct. It was right. They’ve done FA done there yet again.

That was my last ever vote for them.

The ppl hanging onto the SNP aren’t serious about Independence. When they treat it as a popularity contest you know they’re fcking zoomers from the get go..

there are multiple schrodinger cats for indy

– scotland as colony / equal partner in the union

– scotland as heavily subsidised backwater / treasure trove of natural resources essential to the UK

– a people who has punched far above its weight in world history / a people genetically and intellectually incapable of governing themselves requiring the firm but fair pimp-hand of the anglo

the analogy breaks down because the SNP will never open the box, never collapsing the wavefunction

the SNP will move on indy when the heat death of the universe was 5 minutes ago (physics analogies, over)

Billy Carlin.

Interesting stuff, I do try to keep an open mind.

On King William of Orange, it is said that Pope Innocent XI may even have financially supported William of Orange in his campaigns against France, and he famously ordered the singing of a celebratory Te Deum in Rome when news arrived of William’s victory over James at the Boyne.

Yet O/O members and hanger ons laud him, most of course are just mindless foot soldiers, who’ve latched on to this way of life or had this nonsenses drummed into them by family members, that religious hatred is a way of life, this divides Scots society and makes it easier for Westminster to control Scotland as a whole.

After our ain folk were slaughtered at Culloden, Cumberland’s men harried the highlands, burning homes and driving off cattle. The British government determined to destroy the highland way of life, forbidding the wearing of highland dress, the carrying of weapons and passing laws against the clan system.

Cumberland was initially fêted for his victory. The flower ‘Sweet William’ was named after him, and Handel composed the oratorio ‘Judas Maccabeus’ in his honour.

Oh here comes the ‘One Nation’ pish…Zzzzzzz

Scotland is a country. Seperate & distinct with its own legal system, its own education & its own NHS.

Stop Embarrassing yerself. Go tell an English man he doesn’t have a country – see if yer face is still attached later..

*the law wouldn’t allow for a Londoner resident in Edinburgh to be denied the vote.*

It can. A country decides who votes. Not England & there are legal protections Under international law from a country being voted out of existence by immigrants or everyone would be doing it.

EU citizens didn’t get a vote in Brexshit or general elections.

Go complain to England thier rules are wrong. See how far you get..

@Alf Baird

So mass population transfer by Globalists is not a factor? Are they moving to France and England as revenge?

I had a post earlier not make it through possibly because I pointed out that the people smuggling is being carried out by a coalition of organised crime gangs and NGO’s/Non Profits/charities.

Geri,

yet more pish from you. Under the Scotland Act 1998, Scottish residency of U.K. citizens allows them to vote in Scottish elections. It’s the same root right as in PPERA, and multiple other U.K. laws going back to the 19th century.

Go and complain to an advocate, and get her to take your complaint up. If you can afford it. See how far you get.

The law is the law.

Republic of Scotland

Spot on. There’ll be no ref. That route is now closed & the time for asking is over.

50%+1 at every Election from now on.

If it’s a Unionist FM. Fine. Live with Unionist policies because as far as I’m aware the Unionist parties cannot have two separate policies under one party. It’d be Unionist policies nationwide.

For anybody who hasn’t heard, I believe that there is going to be a very interesting Court Case in the High Court of Scotland on Wednesday, 5 July. I have just logged on to the High Court website and – surprise, surprise, their computers are malfunctioning and cannot give any details about Cases being held on 5 July!

I believe that someone is going to bring a case up about the Anglo-German King of England having no right to be King of Scotland (or more correctly, King of Scots) as he is not prepared to sign the historical documents which would give sovereignty to the people.

I have only learnt these facts from people who have been Independence supporters for years and they are not “rumour mongerers”, but neither do they give away too many facts!

I just thought that other Independence supporters would be interested.

Republicofscotland @ 10:33pm

Yep – The Vatican also funded both sides in the American War of Independence and the Civil War via the British and French Kings and the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence was written by Bar members/Freemasons controlled by the City of London Private Corporation who also built the Vatican’s Washington DC Private Corporation.

The British Queen/Kings have been the Pope’s Arch-Treasurer for France, as well as the UK, Ireland, Commonwealth and US, ever since Napoleon escaped from this scam system and was taken out and France brought back in. Like I said before we have always been getting lied to and as they say it is the Victors/Mafias who own and run this scam system that write the history.

Go watch the excellent videos on the Patrick Davis and also his sovereignliving Youtube channels exposing the truth about the US “Independence” and the corrupt Vatican LEGAL System – anyone who thinks that the Scottish LEGAL System is any different is letting their cognitive dissonance cloud their thinking as usual.

Scotland’s polling at 50 + 1.

You look at the opinion polls. The public feeling on Independence for Scotland. The Scots want it Independence.

The SNP has left the Independence cause stranded on an island with no ferry.

We need the SNP to fire the starting gun. Scotland United. We’ll take the remaining 10 Unionist seats and send them home tae think again!

Humza wants to sabotage our dreams. He has no magic, rabbit. He has no ruse he says.

Second class citizens, second class voters, second class scots in the UK. Inferior to the English. Based on nationality. That’s the voice of the SNP.

@Galloway Lass 11:57

I have just been on the scotcourts.gov.uk site and I can see all cases scheduled for 5 July in Glasgow, Aberdeen and Stirling.

Without further info from you, I can’t tell which is the case you are referring to.

Care to tell us? Thanks in advance.

Galloway Lass

Chucky isn’t given the Scottish crown to wear because he’s not king of Scots.

He’s telt tae shut it & listen to the ceremony. He can have a wee look at what will never be on his nogging but that’s all they get. Jeans & T-Shirt will suffice. We don’t have that poofy pomp & ceremony shite up here either..much to the house jocks dismay for reasons unbeknown to the sane amongst us.

He’s the King of England on a wee jolly to Edinburgh. He shouldn’t be here. It’ll be interesting to see what the house jocks do to embarrass themselves with.

@RoS 11:22

Asking on behalf of a Scot who doesn’t read too well.

50%+1 of what?

Of votes cast?

Of the Scottish population?

Of the Scottish eligible to vote population?

Of seats?

If every election will be treated as an election to dissolve the union, won’t that make every election one of your “constitutional votes”? Thus, by making every election a constitutional vote, won’t your scheme require that henceforth, those Scots allowed to vote in every election will be subject to your proposed residency criteria?

My acquaintance, who doesn’t read too well, wonders how that could ever be made to work.

I wonder if you have thought this through.

If they’re resident & registered to vote they’ll get a vote.
50%+1 is result of population – not seats.
We only need over 50% once & it’s all over.

Brilliant, absolutely Brilliant, right on the nose – I actually broke out laughing out loud when I saw this 🙂 🙂

So if every election is a de facto referendum to leave the UK, would every subsequent election following such a vote be a de facto referendum to rejoin? Similarly would elections be de facto referendum to join or lave the EU?

Angus Robertson greetin’ about erosion of Devolution due to the Internal Market Act, while SNP refuses to put country before party, at the next general election, is the most pathological act of self harm to the Scottish National Party!

How does he expect to get away with such brainstorming bullshit?

Scotland United provides the solution to end the Union, immediately!

I agree with the premise that genuine endeavour for independence, would most certainly deliver.

To date, the international community has observed the Scottish National Party, ‘toy’ with the electorate (to put it mildly). Some might conclude… the Scottish electorate continues to be sorely shafted by the Scottish National Party!

The constant whining from SNP in the House of Commons, viewed as hypocritical bullshite, from every quarter, here and abroad!

Only a ‘Scotland United’, shared policy could deliver 50%+ vote.

The above shared policy has nothing to do with the number of other Indy parties, SNP embracing ‘Scotland United’, the single most important demonstration of priority to the Scottish public.

The public’s lack of faith is written large in party policy and validated by the inaction of the Scottish National Party.

As things stand, the party will face huge losses. The most disgusting fact being, the party already knows this to be certain.

SNP has absolutely no intention of putting Scotland before the party, the final nail in their coffin!

A Scot Abroad said;

“the issue with what you say (and it does apply in other countries, as you say) is that we are all citizens of the UK, not of Scotland or of England, Wales, or NI. There’s no legally recognised distinctions. While historically we are two nations, a Principality, and a Province, in practice we are all a single nation called the UK.

So while a (for example) Dutch resident of Edinburgh might reasonably be denied a vote in an Indy Ref, the law wouldn’t allow for a Londoner resident in Edinburgh to be denied the vote. We are all citizens of the UK, and Edinburgh is in the UK, and the citizen is perfectly entitled to cast their vote on a UK matter inside the UK.”

Typical lies and dodgy interpretations from you as usual.

We are all citizens of the UK, but we are not all sovereign owners of Scotland the nation and Kingdom. That Kingdom never went away, was never abolished, was never merged into England’s kingdom. It is still fully distinct with its own monarchical system but without an actual legally-crowned monarch, which is no great loss as the Crown in Scotland actually represents the Community of the Realm of Scotland, meaning its people, and that means they are not subjects of the monarch as England’s citizens are. It still has its own constitution, its own legal system, its own judicial system, its own education system, and it retains its own national sovereignty which is embodied in its people, and not in its monarch or its parliament. On top of all that there is a well-defined border marking the transition from the Kingdom of Scotland to the Kingdom of England.

That there are no legal distinctions between all the citizens of the UK is the great treacherous lie of the Union, because legally and constitutionally there are two types of citizens, the sovereign Scots who own their country of Scotland, and all the rest who do not. For a constitutionally important matter like Scotland’s independence, that distinction matters, and must be recognised and fully respected, including and especially by England.

Scotland’s independence is not a UK matter, nor an English matter, it is a Scottish matter. Yes, it will have consequences for the UK and England if the Scots choose it, but England will just have to make do as best it can without its current illegal ability to help itself to Scotland’s resources and wealth. Oh dear, how sad, never mind. Karma is long overdue!

The single nationhood of the UK is irrelevant in an independence referendum of either of the two Kingdoms that founded the Union, and if the legal system imposed on the UK by Westminster’s English establishment denies that distinction between the two kingdoms’ electorates, letting the Londoner resident in Edinburgh to vote in Scotland’s referendum, then that legal system is an abusive intrusion on Scotland’s national sovereignty, and fatally breaches a critical obligation of the Treaty, thus ending the Union anyway.

Scotland’s independence is for Scotland’s people alone to decide, and not for Scotland’s guests.

“I believe that someone is going to bring a case up about the Anglo-German King of England having no right to be King of Scotland (or more correctly, King of Scots) as he is not prepared to sign the historical documents which would give sovereignty to the people.”

More accurately, those historical documents don’t ‘give’ sovereignty to the people, they affirm the existing sovereignty of the people.

So if every election is a de facto referendum to leave the UK, would every subsequent election following such a vote be a de facto referendum to rejoin?

No.

The Treaty of Union is a bipartite treaty. A party can elect to leave, as is it’s sovereign right, and the Treaty ceases to exist. But to enter a bipartite Treaty requires the willing consent of both parties.

The defunct Treaty can never thereafter be resurrected, but can only be replaced with a new Treaty, which I repeat, would require the consent of both parties.

At best, ( “best” from a Unionist perspective), Scotland could use every Scottish Election as a vote to express a willingness to join England in a Treaty of Union, and of course, without knowing the terms of the treaty.

Don’t worry however. Any such Treaty entered into, by people displaying such mental incompetence, would be unenforceable and void in law.

However, just because the 1707 Treaty of Union is a basket case scenario, and it’s demise is without doubt the very best thing that could happen to Scotland, even the bitterest of enemies (and by that I do not mean Scotland and England), require treaties and protocols just to get along. “Something” would replace it.

The Treaty of Union would be dead and buried, but taking Brexit as a credible precedent, there would likely be a period of separation negotiations, and a new entente of some description, no doubt with a Trade Agreement attached.

While the iron grows colder with every month the dysfunctional SNP remain nominally in charge of the Independence campaign, it is my opinion Scotland could and would have become a buffer state between Europe and brexited England, (status not unlike the NI Protocol), and provided Brexit with a cushioned landing.

How profoundly tragic for Scotland that our greatest opportunity in 300 years fell at the feet of Sturgeon, the Feckless Incompetent, and her merry band of gravy slurping douchebags.

Thanks John Main. My concern is about being seen to be fickle. I quite like the Swiss idea of regular votes on things that affect the public but when the vote affects more than your own country then changing directions regularly hurts those relationships. In or out, fine but do it with your eyes open and be prepared to live with the choices for a decent amount of time. Positive and negative consequences need to be fully discussed by both sides of the debate. In the Brexit vote, remain supporters damaged their cause by wildly exaggerating the problems and Brexiteers dismissed the problems out of hand. Both were wrong. A lack of a strong coherent plan mars both Brexit and any future Scottish departure. Brexit is both a cautionary tale and a cause for hope for those who want to go it alone.

What worries me most is the idea that politicians are somehow in a secret plot to thwart the public will. Usually blamed on a very clever, evil organisation – whether it be Westminster or WEF or… the truth is that politicians are a type of person. They are molded by politics, the media and by laws. Hoping for a miracle government that won’t be as annoying and useless as the ones we’ve got is wishful thinking. The hope for Brexit was that Parliament could take radical steps to solve problems the EU wouldn’t let us solve. That hope isn’t going so well. In large part because we still have politicians who don’t agree with what ‘we’ want. I’m not even sure how many ‘we’ constitutes on any particular issue. I suspect that Scotland has the same problem.

SNP accounts.

I wonder how many ‘donations’ under £250 have been made but not recorded, and what they add up to in total.

If someone handed over £10,000.00 in a white envelope but wanted to remain anonymous would listing the money as 40 separate donations solve the problem?

When we be able to see the accounts?

@Pat Blake 10:29

Valid points, very well made, IMHO.

A strong, coherent, plan, a charismatic, articulate, leader, an open and honest dialogue about the pros and cons of Indy.

No exhortations to just have faith, or remember Culloden.

Three foundation blocks for Indy; plan, leader, honesty.

Looking forwards to when we start. We have nearly ten years practise in doing it all wrong to learn from.

A manifesto for immediate independence via a general election is plainly a binary choice for the voter.

If you’re against independence, either vote for a unionist party or stay at home on election day!

A (de facto) referendum, with 50%+ votes, provides the mandate!

Breeks

I’ve seen on here that you should have two Scotland-born parents to be included in a restricted franchise on independence. I think Salvo say that you only need to be born here yourself. Others say a residency period should be all that’s required. Where are you in this?

Wherever that line is drawn will have downstream effects on who benefits from policies after independence.

I already know I don’t want to vote for Alba again due to their throwing all green policies under a bus and embracing the Tory attitude to oil – and presumably the tory society which that enables, SNP over TWAW, complacency and now following Alba’s lead on dumping their very mild green policies rather than facing down the hysterical opposition, and Scottish Greens over TWAW and a communist take on equality eclipsing an ecological take on managing the country.

And I already know I’m going to have to pick the party with the most believable commitment to cutting oil use. I think that makes me a Green – Labour swing voter at the moment, by a held nose.

lf Baird says:
1 July, 2023 at 7:14 pm

Colonial and cultural assimilation means that even some (bourgeois) Scots clearly prefer to be culturally English/British. Colonialism is always ‘a co-operative venture’ (Memmi; Fanon) and Scotland is nae different.

Alf, this is a genuine question.
If we were to strip away the ‘colonial’ aspects of modern Scotland, what exactly would be left as authentically Scottish?

Not being provocative – just keen to know your thoughts.

The SNP don’t get a say do they? The public shall decide in a referendum.

Thier position may be to rejoin the EU but that bears no relation to reality. It’s not theirs to decide.

The SNP is also not the Yes movement. They deliberately won’t uncouple that EU pish from Independence because it’s another carrot.

You must agree by now that BTL is done with carrots so I don’t know why you keep on & on about the EU.

EFTA is where the rest of us are heading & have been for over a yr at least..

Cheers Dan

Agreed Brian.

EFTA looks more appealing. EU membership is so long away from becoming a reality that John should really stop banging on about it & so should the SNP. They can’t possibly predict the outcome of an EU ref. Thier time would be better spent doing what they were elected to do which is to get us out of this Union & forget nonsense talk of signing us up to another one.

Dumbza has been told to piss off by the EU anyway. They’re also wilfully ignorant that Scotland is a sovereign nation & needs feck all permission from a *UK* chaperone.

We’re the other part of the Kingdom.

No because we were dragged out.
62% voted to remain. Every constituency.
IF we’d have wanted to leave we’d have done it ourselves.
The UK had no right to take us out. Both Kingdoms is in a Union – not just one playing spokesperson. We could have had a deal they gifted to NI.