Wings Over Scotland

This must terrify our fascist neighbours to the South
And of course Tory Party.

Johnny Foreigner is welcome in Scotland as a tourist as a job seeker as someone who
Wants to make our country bigger and better.

If the notion or opportunity arises, I too want to retain this same option to become part of another
European Country.

England now has all the worst of qualities that I don’t want in My Scotland

Hmm – we need 200k people to change their minds, and 200k EU citizens ….

and their families, friends, work colleagues …

Rez – time to make a list of those who want the EU. Who might have said No before.

Academia
Farmers
Fishermen (not the multinationals)
Tech community
Businesses

…

Perfectly articulated ~ and from a non-native speaker!

Brilliant! This should shared far and wide

WG Saraband says

endless haverin

We need more haverers like you 🙂

WG Saraband says:
my endless haverin
———————–

lol, brilliant

Robin says:

Does anyone know what the figure is for EU citizens living in Scotland of voting age is?

The 2011 Census has 2.59% coming from EU countries (other than UK and Ireland).

This may have risen, then perhaps fallen post EURef. Many seem to me to be young single people, though there are families. So to extrapolate into voters – probably no more than 3%.

In 2014, those who voted tended to vote NO because they wanted to remain in the EU. In IR2 we need to encourage rEU New Scots to register and to vote YES. It will make a significant difference.

I’m a returned Scot, we emigrated when I was 6 and so I no longer sound Scottish and don’t try to (it feels like parody, non genuine). So I get the ‘where are you from?’ questions too but never in a challenging way, always just curious.

My story has always been accepted. I was born here, end of story, I’m a Scot even without an accent (though I still say uz instead of us).

My wife has a cousin who is gay and Australian and he came with his partner to Scotland and loved it and had a great time with no problems. I think that it’s great that here you can be who you are and still be accepted.

Lang may yer lum reek WG.

An insight into Nigel Farage & Co.

link to politics.co.uk

“MEPs are respected and sought out because most are highly competent and work hard. Unlike in Britain, where it is viewed almost on the level of a parish councillor, other countries send their ex-prime ministers and foreign ministers. National MPs often consider the role a promotion. A great many are fluent in multiple languages and form close bonds with colleagues from different countries and political backgrounds.
The exception to this, of course, is Ukip. I used to see Nigel Farage propping up the bar with a cigarette, exuding bonhomie, relishing the lifestyle, loving to be hated, and all the while refusing to contribute a single meaningful thing towards his constituents’ wellbeing. He and his colleagues registered for the daily allowance, alright, but almost none turned up to committees or did any discernible work whatsoever.”

WordPress permitting…..Ceud mile fàilte a dh-Alba….100k welcomes to Scotland, boa sorte e aproveite!

Excellent, excellent, excellent video.

How odd that folk from other countries can see Scotland’s potential, yet unionistas like Davidson cannot. Of course in the case of Davidson, she knows all of this, but as a political careerist, she pretends that independence would be bad for Scotland. It’s all about political careerist Ruth and her vaulting ambition which overleaps itself.

I have to say, having watched politics in the UK for a very long time, with each passing day recently, I have become ever more convinced that we are watching the rise of fascism in England. It does not happen overnight, but step by step, slowly oh so slowly.

These are very depressing times. We really need independence away from what is happening in England ‘little britain’.

On the upside, the FM gave an absolute excellent interview on CH4 news last night. Hammered home all the right points, very clearly indeed. We need more of that.

The number of people in Scotland from elsewhere is 9%. 6% from the rest of the UK. When it comes to No voters. It is a relatively small proportion. 2/3%. Not enough to really swing it. It needs more folk born in Scotland. Elderly women? to vote YES. Women outlive men. Convince the grannies and aunties etc. They are scared of change. Younger folk are more risk takers, especially men. The demographics are changing in favour. The best time to have an IndyRef is when it can be won. Scotland is going it’s own way in any case.

More men than women join political Parties 10 to 1? Women are busier or lack of childcare? People can take their kids to meetings etc. Nicola helps getting the women onboard. Increasing childcare and baby boxes etc. Family friendly policies. Helps the economy. Kinship payments keeps families together. There are less children in care. Given more support.

@WG Saraband:

Thank you for becoming a new Scot.

Here is another Scottish expression you may like to use now and then, “It wad gar ye grue”, it means, “would make you want to throw up”. I’ll leave it to you as to where and when to use the expression.
;-))

The Brexit farrago has exposed the real ‘United Kingdom’ to the world. The notions of order, fairness, trust etc mythically associated with the British have finally been debunked. The EU is sick of British blether. The chauvinistic Brexit ‘party’ crew will sicken even more.
Scotland needs to kick this exceptionalist little England out of the lives of its people.
We have reached the point of no return.

‘But for all the glitz and pomp, there is little new in either Farage’s new launch, or that of his former political vehicle, UKIP. Farage has always tried to position himself as mainstream, with a cloying man-of-the-people act capitalizing on the fact he didn’t go to university, while breezily omitting the fact that he attended the highly exclusive and expensive fee-paying Dulwich College, and made a mint as a city trader in London’s banking sector. Hoisting a pint of soapy ale aloft in photos is a handy substitute for any real working-class credentials if there’s a camera nearby’

link to jacobinmag.com

And of course like any pampered spiv his love of Scotland stems from Scotland’s vast economic resources to be harvested and appropriated for the remnants of the Empire that has no regard for Scotland or her citizens. Farage et al have summoned the comitatus, to uphold a feudal system of vassalage. All that fighting talk because Nigel believes that Scotland cannot have her independence- what would the Empire do with the money tap switched off and where would Nigel be then.

No longer the Ringmaster for the travelling Brexit Party Circus, the outreach entertainment outfit of the WM Political Pantomine and the creation of the far right of the Tory party, he would be consigned to a little seen or heard sideshow where he belongs.

Tomorrow is a very important day for Scotland. Vote for Scotland the country, vote SNP to uphold the democratic vote that has already determined that Scotland should stay in the EU. Do not stay at home apathetic and dispirited. Scotland’s relationship with the EU is Scotland’s business not Nigel’s, Scotland’s collective autonomy expressed at the ballot box is a fitting response.

@Robert Peffers 11:55am

I always had that down as making your blood run cold and giving ye the shivers.
From the ‘grue’ ice and snow coming down a river.
Although, I dare say it might be adopted in places as ‘sick’ as grue is usually slushy.

Blair Patterson
Rubbish again.So the Scots now living in England shouldn’t be allowed a vote in England?
Divisive rubbish.Determined residency is the most sensible judgement.

Who should vote? My view is we want the maximum possible franchise. 16 & over and resident. They are all stakeholders even if we don’t like the views of some groups.

If Cameron had held EURef allowing 16-17 year olds, plus all rEU citizens to vote in the same way Scotland did, then Brexit wouldn’t be happening. Objectively, that would have been a fairer outcome.

I didn’t like the outcome of IndyRef1, but I won’t start othering or scapegoating. That is the road to fascism.

What type of iScotland do we want? A place where stakeholders whose views we don’t like are disenfranchised like the UK? No thanks.

If Farage and his crowd of would be Brexiters turn up in Brussels simply to cause disruption, is it within the EU’s right to expel them from the chamber. I would expect the EU to do so or perhaps the rules don’t cover the demented as this had never been expected to happen.

I have always wondered just how it was that Hitler and The Nazis managed to con the German people into supporting them.

Observing what is happening in England I can see just how easy it was.

@Robert Louis

Those of us old enough watching what’s unfolding in England can only come to the same conclusion that the creeping rise of fascism started in the same way

Our young can’t remember or envisage it and our old don’t see it because nobody on the terrestrial channels will show it to them

It could turn out to be the biggest journalistic crime of the 21st century and who holds the media to account on who influenced them to avoid reporting it

Will the media hold up their hands in faux surprise after the event or will they rub them in glee at the thought of selling more *news*

@gus1940

I think the counting timetable is EU wide and some polls are open over the weekend.

Robert Peffers says:
22 May, 2019 at 11:55 am
@WG Saraband:

Thank you for becoming a new Scot.

Here is another Scottish expression you may like to use now and then, “It wad gar ye grue”, it means, “would make you want to throw up”. I’ll leave it to you as to where and when to use the expression.
;-))

Now Robert Scotland is made up of different dialects and tongues. The tories would make ye puke, for example.Ask ” hughieee” lol

While each EU member state has to use a proportional system in Euro parliament elections there is no uniform standard. Only 16 states use the D’Hondt system, or variants of it. Northern Ireland has the single transferrable vote.
Like the voting day the process needs to be standardized.
Only the Brits and Dutch vote thursdays.

If anyone in the Western Isles doesn’t want to vote on a Sunday, that’s their choice. I wonder if the same pious crew read Monday newspapers… which are produced on a Sunday. And I hope none of their roof tiles were made in godless places on a Sunday and transported up the A9 in colourful lorries from Stornoway on a Sunday.

I welcome everybody who wants to make Scotland their home. Although we have homegrown bigots WE don’t encourage their behaviour (with the exception of Murdo, Ruth etc and their links to the Orange Order and the DUP.

Our wonderful politicians and media seem to have forgotten that Boris J. is an opportunist fence sitter.

Unless my memory is failing me I recall in the run up to the EU vote a media scrum outside the Boris residence waiting for him to come our and declare which one of Leave or Remain he was going to support.

He duly came out and declared for Leave.

Up to that point nobody knew which way he was going to jump.

Johnstone will be out come next GE. London S/E voted Remain. The Tories into oblivion. Jumped before they are pushed. Liar Johnstone jumped the wrong way. What a loser.

@Iain mhor says:22 May, 2019 at 12:39 pm:

… I always had that down as making your blood run cold and giving ye the shivers.”

Being brought up speaking Lowland Scots I’ve never had occasion to look up the phrase in the Scottish Dictionary but I have now.

Seems we are both correct. Like such words as, “dreich”, there really is no direct English equivalent – but every Scot knows exactly what it means.

So the term, “Gar”, is perhaps a bit confusing and is described both as, “to cause something to happen”, and also as, “filth, slime and even excrement”.

the term, “grue”, has a fairly long entry and even has several spellings. – 1 to feel horror or terror, shudder, shrink in horror or fear
2 – (of the flesh, heart, blood, etc.), creep, quake, run cold with horror or fear.
3 – shiver from cold.
4 Make a wry face.

There is more but the dictionary attributes all the different meanings to local area dialects.

My understanding of the phrase, “It wad gar ye grue”, has always been to feel sick to the pit of your stomach and with connotations of the sickness perhaps being engendered by fear or horror or loathing.

So there it is – there are various local dialect versions so take your pick depending on the local dialect – and I only learned that today.

Wings is a great source of often almost forgotten things about our heritage that have become submerged in Anglo Saxon and USAsian English.

Scottish Law Society
Ever canvased your members to assess the level of engagement with Critical Rationalism, within the educational practice that shapes the Scottish legal profession?

Logic and rationality in OR interventions: an examination in the light of the ‘critical rationalist’ approach

Abstract

Historically OR has conceived of itself as a professional practice giving rational, objective advice rooted in the ethos of science. However, the claim of science to rationality and objectivity has wilted under the onslaught of relativist and post-modern attack. One proposed philosophy of science seeks to avoid such problems by adopting a strictly objectivist approach. Critical rationalism (CR), the philosophy originated by Karl Popper, attempts to eliminate all inductive, justificatory and merely subjective claims by the ruthless application of deductive logic.

The philosophical development of the CR approach to practice is currently a work-in-progress; however, it is an approach that should on the face of it find favour with OR, particularly for those who want to claim that OR is logically rational. The paper, drawing on the work of David Miller, explores how such an approach can be applied in the OR context. It concludes that although as CR suggests it may be possible to drive out inductive and justificatory claims in OR, subjective choice is an essential element of managerial decision-making and cannot be ignored or assumed away. The paper identifies some of the challenges that confront philosophers of practice if OR is to take the insights of CR to heart, suggests some possible responses, and identifies areas for future research.

Keywords
philosophy of OR philosophy of practice critical rationalism process of OR

link to link.springer.com

Welcome to Scotland, Jose. I hope you don’t miss Spain too much.

What a legacy- taking the 5th largest economy in the world and turning it into a ‘digital and sanitised version of the nineteenth century workhouse’. Nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with a failing parliamentary system that has knowingly impoverished its citizens and shredded the social contract.

WM should no longer direct Scotland’s fate,there are many ways to express that determination.

‘The endlessly repeated response that there are more people in employment than ever before overlooks inconvenient facts: largely as a result of slashed government spending on services, close to 40 percent of children are predicted to be living in poverty two years from now; 16 percent of people over 65 live in relative poverty; and millions of those who are in-work are dependent upon various forms of charity to cope…

It might seem to some observers that the Department of Work and Pensions has been tasked with designing a digital and sanitised version of the nineteenth century workhouse, made infamous by Charles Dickens, rather than seeking to respond creatively and compassionately to the real needs of those facing widespread economic insecurity in an age of deep and rapid transformation brought about by automation, zero-hour contracts and rapidly growing inequality’

link to undocs.org

Robert Peffers says:

submerged in Anglo Saxon and USAsian English

Occasionally I hear the odd word which I had assumed Scottish in an US movie or TV. The context is not Scottish and appears to be American English. Presumably actually from Scottish settlers long ago.

One I can think of is spicket . My father in his Ayrshire Scots would never say water tap, it was a spicket.

Another I heard was jouk, as in move your head to avoid a punch.

I remember reading somewhere that -eth at the end of verbs has been replaced by -s in all forms of modern English. The -s comes from Lowland Scotland / Northumbria i.e. Scots. Older English used -eth.

So the Scots does influence English sometimes outside Scotland.

HC

Immigrants? Are you referring to the 2nd holiday home crowd from South East England?

cameron
i enjoy yer posts but the frequency worries me. perhaps less is more?

schrodingers cat
I hear you but that was me done. If you have a problem with making a point, take it to the Rev.

While our flip flopping not so little RuthFuhrer is now prepared to work with Boris how does she know that he would be prepared to work with her after all the mud she has slinged at him?

HC

Careful lest you be denounced as a racist bigot.

If I was to delve into my in living memory, ancestry. I would discover that I am more than 50% Johnny Foreigner.

Yet I consider myself to be 100% Scottish.

Only an Idiot or the terminally P.C.(no pun intended), could think that large scale unregulated immigration can be anything other than harmful to the host culture.

If you don’t believe me, compare Australasia and North and South American cultures from 1500ad onwards…90% of the inhabitants killed by disease and war, the rest, enslaved, displaced and marginalised by European immigrants. Africa and Asia didn’t exactly have it easy either.

Lots of European cultures went the same way in the preceding millennia, some of them on this very Island.

What was it that Spanish chap said about people who do not learn from history?

Hi Reluctant Nationalist at 5:28 pm.

“Welcome to Scotland, Jose. I hope you don’t miss Spain too much.””

Awffie clever, RN. I doff my cap. Your reluctance beginning to wear off?

Essexexile.

Yes indeed there were many English voters who chose remain but the issue lies in the fact that so many more voted for Brexit.

Many seem assured that they are a superior nation and better than anyone else on the planet.
Hitler had exactly the same pitch, they were a superior race, they deserved to rule the world, they
Were entitled to change the nations laws and replace democracy with dictatorship.

Many Germans were against this but there was nothing they could do but die for the Fascit cause.

I wish England well but they want Brexit and God help them when they get it.

I want to be Scottish European, I don’t want to be ruled by the corrupt government next door
I will not see Scotland dragged over a cliff by blind fanatics who hope their dead empire awaits resurrection on the rocks below.

@Brian Doonthetoon
Rather think Reluctant Nationalist is being condescendingly, ‘BritNatily’ sarcastic.
José from Spain is in fact Miguel from Portugal.
He seems not too keen on me either.

should’ve added, haven’t watched the vid (due to picture) but do know Miguels story from previous entries, which brought a wee pathetic tear to my big macho eye.
thanks M

Please folks.

Let’s put aside petty differences and tomorrow go out and vote SNP to show Scotland rejects this nonsense and wants to be a grown up responsible member of the European and world community.

Please vote SNP.

admiral @ 8.30 pm

You have my vote (by proxy). Likewise, Plaid Cymru have mine in my homeland. Unable to vote for either, I look forward to positives and pro-Europe, pro-independence messages from both our countries.

Abulhaq
Spot on. I didn’t want to be the first to say anything, in case folk think I’m bullying RN. I simply don’t abide racism and will call it out wherever I see it. Got that RN?!

Effijy@7.43pm

Well said.
I detect a gloomy resignation among my English remainer friends here that some degree of Brexit is now inevitable.
But, there is hope somewhere beyond the inevitable disaster that awaits, that in a decade or so, after the cretinous Brexit brigade have proved you can’t run a first world economy by talking about sausages and spitfires, that rUk may seek to rejoin the EU.
Years after iScotland has already done so of course.

geeo
I’ll always be me. 😉

Folk might find this hard to believe but I try not to impose on others. I just see the need to raise the tone of public discourse, which has been controlled by a populist, right-wing media for far too long.

Rationality in politics and its limits
link to tandfonline.com

Reports that Farage is seeking refuge in his Brexit bus from a mob armed with Milkshakes ????

I really do not think Boris the English clown will be PM, too many in the Tories do not like him, for him to make it to the last round. As for leadsom – dunderheid.

No, for my money, it’s going to be house-jock, Gove.

Anyway, hopefully we will not have to endure their arrogance and hatred of Scotland for much longer.

Tomorrow, I will be voting SNP. For many reasons, but mainly because in Scotland it is the one definite way to vote against brexit. I could vote green, but they do not have a large enough vote share, so vote would just be wasted and generally ignored. Likewise I could vote Libdem, but their nasty track record, in government with the Tories, makes them unelectable (and of course Wullie Rennie is a class A tube). Plus their vote share is also too small, so again it would be a wasted vote in Scotland.

So, to oppose brexit in Scotland, the only rational vote is SNP. But if we want to make an impact, people do have to vote. We must not assume that others will, so we don’t need to bother. So, I’ll be making sure I vote SNP tomorrow, and I hope they do well.

I wish people would educate themselves and start reading history, especially German history of the 1930’s. I’m really worried about what is happening in the UK and beginning to panic about us being caught up in it before we can become independant.
Just imagine the state of our country like the countries that surrounded Germany if we don’t get away from the fascists rising in England at the moment,
Nobody stood up to the things that were happening until it was too late. It’s like looking at groundhog day on a closed loop.
Please, please God get us out of this before it’s too late.

John Jones – any good websites or books you can recommend?

@Me …. massage … I really should read more carefully!

You know who to vote for tomorrow …

Two wee stories of mine. (No purple balloons deserve a mention.)

8. (of 60.)

The four balloons

Once upon a time, there were four balloons at a party. There was the big, red balloon who thought he was the most important balloon there – he had been going to parties for as long as he could remember, and he thought of himself as the partygoers’ natural choice of balloon. He floated silently over the more recently arrived partygoers, but was rather startled when one of them gave him a large smack across his big, red face with the palm of his hand. In his shock, the big, red balloon floated too close to the radiator … until … BBBAAANNNNGGG! The big, red balloon exploded. Most of the partygoers didn’t seem to notice however and they carried on dancing. Others gave a loud cheer – these little, local events adding to the general feeling of mirth at the party. It would take a long time to find a replacement big, red balloon.

*****

The blue balloon hardly ever got a look in at parties. This was because she was very difficult to inflate. No matter how much one huffed and puffed, more hot air seemed to come out of the wee blue balloon than ever went in. The partygoers eventually decided that it wasn’t worth the effort to try and inflate the blue balloon, so they left her in the corner to wither away and become wrinkled and unloved.

*****

The yellow balloon was a much smaller balloon than the red and blue balloons. However, when one inflated him, one felt sure that he promised to be just as big and as good looking as the big, red balloon. Sadly though, this was very much only for show. Further, the partygoers had forgotten to tie a knot in the yellow balloon’s neck. As a result, he escaped from their grasp and spluttered all over the room, expelling hot air as he went.

“Ppppppppppppppuuuuuhhhhhfffffffffffff” said the yellow balloon, coming to land side by side alongside the dishevelled blue balloon.

*****

And now we come to the gold and black balloon. The partygoers were initially suspicious of balloons which had two colours.

The gold and black balloon took some time to be inflated. But when he did – he looked magnificent! The partygoers gave him the thumbs up as the smartest balloon in the party and they started to strike him gently with their hands – batting him to and fro between their friends. The gold and black balloon was in his element – he had become the balloon of choice for partygoers everywhere. The gold and black balloon was exceedingly happy and he was making the partygoers happy too.

This was a win-win situation and everyone knew it.
It was going to be the best party ever!
_______

Parables for the New Politics
2012-2019

Have a look at this total maniac:-

link to youtube.com

If there is anyone in Scotland who is fooled by this deranged idiot they deserve what they vote for.

BBC Reporting Scotland and STV News.

Both of the above give you a great choice of Scotland is crap stories or stories from England.

What a terrible state of affairs. Only way to end it is to vote SNP. Vote for Scottish independence.

steph 4.29

Blair Paterson is quite correct and to be frank its nonsense like yours that will kill an indy vote.
Like Blair I am desperate for independence and it was probably the English vote that cost us indy in`14.
I am all for people coming to live in this country, however at this stage in Scotland`s history I do not want thousand of no voters crossing the border which is something you are obviously in favour of. And to suggest that that attitude is akin to fascism is disgusting and a favoured term used by unionists.
You are not some enlightened being on a higher intellectual plane gazing down on less mortals, this is our last chance for indy and you need to understand that.

No longer are holiday-home owners the problem , as many more live here permanently. The 1970s problem you refer to is dwarfed by the swamping of those of us who choose to live our life in Welsh. In Scotland, since your original language plays no part in your life or politics, it is far easier for settlers to assimilate into your society and be accepted. Here,the ‘raison d’etre’ for Plaid Cymru’s existence is being killed off by immigration.

Cubby says at 10:30 pm

“BBC Reporting Scotland and STV News.

Both of the above give you a great choice of Scotland is crap stories or stories from England.”

It’s truly remarkable that they never manage to push any UK is crap stories…

@BBC & STV. How about a wee programme on Norway and its ability to easily fund its public services from just the return of investment on their prudently managed sovereign oil fund?
Maybe if you actually informed your viewers that it is possible for a country such as Scotland with its abundance of natural resources to be a successful medium sized nation capable of running its affairs in a sensible way, your viewing figures wouldn’t be so pish!
HTH

W G saraband

Thank you for that. So touching Oh how I wish older “old” Scots could remove their UK blinkers and see that fascist train rumbling towards us. I fear they will not – but hopefully Nicola will take the initiative and get us out of this sorry mess.

I say though. Phantom power are in a league of their own. Fabulous as ever.

link to theguardian.com

The story currently being vigorously suppressed in Scotland, is what is happening in England. If England was a mountain, then it would be Mount St Helens, which erupted in 1980, after being dormant for a hundred years, and did so with such unexpected and catastrophic force that it destroyed a landscape for a hundred miles.

England is about to blow – big time.

Scotland need only wait, before walking away, unshackled at last, to make a new life.

Vote SNP, only, ever and always, until the Day of Joy.

Don’t say you weren’t warned:

re, Critical theories. I’m not expecting folk turn themselves into social scientists, but I’m pretty sure that a little dip of the toe will produce new perspectives on the world. These might prove persuasive where previous argument has failed.

“Day of Joy”?

Are you forgetting the role the EU willingly played in undermining the Indyref campaign?

Yet the SNP leadership who were humiliated every time an EU functionary opened their mouth, are hell bent on keeping the UK
in the EU.

Why? … So we can go back to square one, with the EU telling us we can’t leave the UK and stay in the EU?

Col.Blimp IV at 11.57

Utter Rubbish.The EU made no statement at all about Indy Ref. The UK media made it up and eejits like you believed it.

Provide one official statement from the EU to support your nonsense.

The EU position officially was that the result which would be achieved by a legally proper ballot would be accepted.

So I got personally addressed leaflets from ukip, brexit,tories, libdem. I returned all to sender. Feel cleaner.

Dave McEwan Hill

Perhaps I should have said, the SNP leadership who failed to refute distortions of unofficial comments made by UE functionaries by The No campaign and their friends in the media, or who were unable to elicit a favorable ruling from the EU on the matter.

Particularly in respect of the “Prodi Doctrine”, remember sovereignty in the UK resides at Westminster.

I am not a political anorak nor an “eejit”, just a member of the public, who is still to make his mind up on how to vote when the polls open.

Bizarre, in that I have voted for independence in every election and referendum since 1979 and that presumably the SNP wishes that I continue to do so.

Gerry Fisher’s letter in the National yesterday prompted me to formulate a list of committed Nationalists who I know or Know of who have binned the SNP over the years…It is alarmingly long.

I fear that Fuck-Faced- Fools like you will ensure that grows ever longer.

@McDuff

No, let me be frank.

It’s people like you and Paterson that will kill an indy vote. Considering you are basically confirming exactly what unionists think about us. So thanks for that.

You think you’re special? That you’re the only one desperate for indy?

“I am all for people coming to live in this country, HOWEVER” you say. Which means you’re obviously not, so that was a stupid statement.

Where is your logic, mate? Aye, that’s right. People who want Scotland to stay in the UK will just up and leave their lives to move to Scotland just to vote “No”, just to stick it to people like you. Have a bit of common sense and stop conjuring up far fetched theories.

I suppose Nicola Sturgeon better take back what she said a while ago then: “Come to Scotland. We’re not full up.” Does she want a No result too then?

So what you’re saying is you want to be exactly like England?

Facts are facts, mate. Saying that you only want “real Scots” basically, to vote, is blood and soil nationalism.

So when only “real Scots” get the vote, what next? And does that mean that Scots who don’t live here, but say, live in England can vote?

Put it this way. Imagine Westminster told Scotland they weren’t allowed to vote on the EU elections tomorrow, because Scotland will vote SNP, a result we don’t want. Is that fair to you? Because that is exactly the kind of scenario you are suggesting and it is frankly ridiculous.

Fascism is a term “favoured” by unionists? Well, I wonder why the radical Britnats were using it to describe us? Probably because of people like yourself who clearly has some kind of tribal mind.

So left wing people and indy voters like me have never used fascism to describe something that is clearly extremist views or ideas?

No, I’m not an “enlightened being” and I never said I was. But neither are you, Sir. If you feel insulted that someone disagrees with someone else’s view or sees it as being fascist, then maybe the truth hurts, even just a bit.

Disagree with me all you want, but blaming people like me for the failure of a Yes vote the last time is nothing but childish.

I need to understand that this is our last chance for indy, do I? Well, what you need to understand is that your attitude of wanting to silence the voices of people who live and work and contribute to this country just as much as you or I do isn’t the way to an independent Scotland.

Your idea of only letting Scots who were born here vote is a ridiculous notion and would never even happen. Nicola Sturgeon said that herself. She said “Where do we draw the line then?”

Have a word with yourself.

CameronB Brodie

I don’t think I ever had a game plan for life, beyond when there is a specific goal, I’m more of a que serra serra type. Admittedly I do not always concur with “expert” opinion, that is hardly irrational.

It doesn’t matter what the assertion is, an expert can be found to endorse it and another ten repudiate it.

Expert opinion did not save us from the financial crisis of ‘08, the expert opinion on how to to get “us” out of it ,filed me with horror.
How about the expert opinion on Y2K, seemed like cobblers, mind-boggling stupidity on the part of all computer programmers working prior to he discovery of the glitch or a scam(remember they also told us that your central heating, your wristwatch anything that had a microchip or an electronic clock was going to fail), not being an “expert”, I have no Idea which. Countless billions spent fixing Y2K! Money well spent or squandered? … expert opinion is divided on the matter.

The future is yet to be written, when things change people and organizations react to the change, so things change a bit more ad infinitum, perpetually diluting the chance of any individual or collective piece of speculation being correct. The more complex the matter you are trying to predict the lesser the chance you have of getting it right.

Steph@1.30am

Blair Paterson is regularly an anti English bigot, yet weirdly, also appears to be a British Nationalist concern troll.

Desperately tries to tarnish this sites reputation as welcoming inclusive and civic nationalism in nature.

Not one to give much credence to.

Colonel Blimp is a British cartoon character by cartoonist David Low first drawn for Lord Beaverbrook’s London Evening Standard in April 1934

Blimp is a pompous irascible jingoistic, and streotypically British identifiable by his walrus moustache and the interjection “Gad Sir”

There’s much more on Colonel Blimp that identifies him as *British* so why then would someone claiming to be a Scottish Nationalist adopt such an alter ego that epitomises the world view of a typical English military figure, it’s not really all that likely is it

Good front page for The National this morning. Make sure it is visible.

link to thenational.scot

It’s a nice day so get out and offer to help the best placed Remain party, the SNP, to stop Nigel Farage.

NOW Vote FOR Scotland IN Europe today

HEY the countdown clock just jumped back an extra hour!

geeo says:
23 May, 2019 at 3:27 am
Marcia says:

Unconfirmed reports : D Mundell went to see T May – she chucked a milkshake over him.

She’d miss.

link to theguardian.com

Sporadic Wit in the Guardian comments

“In December 2016, acting as First Minister for Scotland, rather than simply leader of a political party, Nicola Sturgeon sought to find a compromise, that would allow Scotland to Remain both within the UK, and within the Single Market. A detailed plan as to how this might be achieved, was put to the Scottish Parliament in December 2016, where it won majority and cross-party support. The only dissenters were the Scottish Conservatives, under Ruth Davidson, who were insistent on their Hard Brexit, and who eliminated any potential middle ground and forced a choice between Independence and a Hard Brexit.

It wasn’t just the Scottish Parliament, because the Welsh Parliament set out a very similar plan, just a few weeks later, which again won cross party and majority support. In fact, if it hadn’t been suspended, even Stormont probably could have reached majority concensus on a similar plan.

If you want to understand why the UK has got itself into such a mess, it is because the EU has been in the unfortunate position of having to deal with a completely dysfunctional Westminster parliament, under the worst Prime Minister in living memory. If the EU had been able to deal with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland separately, it would all have been sorted out two years ago, without all this enormous cost and disruption.

It is the UK, not the EU, that is a failed and undemocratic political and economic union.”

and

“When Theresa May first appointed herself as the supposed living embodiment of the “will of the people” and sole arbiter of what Brexit was, she twice had to be knocked back by the UK Supreme Court, for trying to completely bypass parliament. If it had not been for Gina Miller, she would have attempted to negotiate and sign of a Brexit agreement in secret.

The fascinating thing about all this, is that the very people who are now claiming that Theresa May has betrayed them, are the very people who were furious at the Supreme Court and Gina Miller, and calling them “enemies of the people”. They had complete faith in Theresa May, and would have ended up with her “vassal status” deal, with no chance to reject or criticise it.

Brexit seems to be all about demanding the impossible and then pretending to be betrayed when no one can deliver. And both Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn are the idiots who walked into this trap, because they were so desperate to appear Prime Ministerial.

How different things might be if we had politicians who were prepared to tell the truth, rather than simply trying to curry favour by pandering to Faragism.”

Now get out and vote. SNP/SNP

The snowflakes are aiming milkshakes.

May nowhere to be seen. A man hiding in a toilet surrounded by journalists, Farague stuck on a bus feart of milkshakes. Hilarious. Politics UK style.

What a complete and utter shambles.