Wings Over Scotland

Christ is it Saturday morning already?

Where the hell did the week go!!

What a bonny pair they make, just as well I’ve eaten it would have put me off my tea.
Aye cringing brings it’s own reward, a nice seat in the House of Lords and £300 a day whether you need it or not.

Viewing the omnishambles/cluster foul up that are the brexit negotiations and also the machinations of pro brexit politicians i’m very tempted to sign this with my name and a slogan just so the Rev will kill me with hammers so I never hear of it again .

I see fuddly muddly is already reversing his position on resigning.

I expect mum2b to follow shortly

Fantastic likenesses. Captures their characters completely.

In light of Brexit I’ve decided to stockpile lamp posts and piano wire.

Amazing how fluffy fits a tea-pot into that briefcase.

Sos for O/T .

randompublicjournal.com/2018/10/16/something-stinks/

A WEE BIT MAIR HAIR ON THAT WUMMIN AND PUFFY JOWELS , HEY PRESTO JABBA BAILLIE. AND WHIT ABOOT JUN KIM FAE NORTH KOREA WITH LIPSTICK ON FOR A T-RUTH-LESS LOOKALIKE. HA HA

🙂

Fab, and a treat midweek as well.

Those who self promote and self serve, and then threaten to resign their hugely paid positions, it’s meant to scare who? These people have delusions of grandeur.

It reminds me of those mafia films where the little guy is always feart, trying to please so as he doesn’t p**s off his mafia boss in anyway, otherwise…it won’t be pretty.

Mundell and Davidson are small fry, squirming nasty troughers, and jobs worths. Just not the sort of people one may wish to fraternise with!

I thought Abbott and Costello were dead?

Awesome Chris

Thats working fine..Thank you Valerie.

Those two have no honour, they’ll never resign, self preservation is at the heart of every Tory’s thinking.

Nice one Chris.

On an alien planet this pair would make babies not of the beautiful variety.

“No ,I said we had resigned ourselves—-to beating Scotland”

After all the time, money and exposure they have invested in her, the BBC would never allow Ruthie to resign. They’d have to dig up another one, and start the manufacturing process all over again.

……….

I am genuinely conflicted by the trouble brewing with AUOB. Conflicted yes because while it is important for YES to be squeaky clean and smearproof, the AUOB people stepped up and did something when everybody else seemed in such a headlong rush to do nothing.

I know personally, that I wouldn’t like to think where my head might have been by now if I hadn’t been to over half of these AUOB marches and been reassured that Independence wasn’t actually dead in the water.

Frankly, I think when you look at the wider picture, the AUOB marches are a shooting Star phenomenon. They are not meant to be forever, nor carry the impetus or deliver upon a mandate. They are a thing of the moment.

The marches have sustained us, and given us aspirational nourishment while our Independentist Government has given us year after year of Presbyterian bread and water, and any number of cold showers to dampen our ardour.

Do you really want to pull apart the AUOB phenomenon now? It’s the only thing we’ve got firing on all four cylinders.

@ Breeks 8.32 Not pull apart the phenomenon BUT the basis of all decent society is truth. Liars/gangsters tarnish everything – we cannot condone them.

There’s plenty of people who would organise the marches just as well. In fact after the Inverness march I read [on here?] that it was actually organised by two locals and not by AUOB tho’ the latter took the credit.

How desperate are these three unionist parties to return Holyrood to basically the talking shop pre 2007, discussing how they should implement decisions handed down from Westminster. The only competition was who could hand back the biggest rebate and who would be first in line for the ermine.

Have a look at the ennobled MSP’s and try and recall anything of much substance they achieved for Scotland.

Like the Scottish National footie team (men’s) we are determined to turn a winning side to a bunch of losers.

WTF is it with AOUB? The marches are brilliant, grass root and growing. Why then do we need to navel gaze and invent confrontations to fit egos.

Nothing is perfect and AOUB is essentially an amateur production. Everyone needs to calm down and talk. Mistakes have been made so learn. We all in the YES movement need to take care we don’t year ourselves apart. Nothing would give the Unionists greater glee than to stoke infighting and talk of the great crime of organisational and fiscal impropriety.

AOUB need a Constitution and accounts. Others with bruised egos need to grow a pair and talk privately, not whine openly on social media. If not then stfu, it helps no one.

Finally, the wider YES is inclusive. I want a left wing view, a centrist view and a right wing view. If that means embracing some forward thinking conservatives then it’s all good. We the people own our Sovereignty. It is not for sale or manipulation by any one group or faction. This is about our children’s future. I march for them!

@frogesque / @Breeks
Well said.

Snack beard has already denied he ever threatened to resign. I expect Cruella De Ville to follow suit within the next few days or so.

It really isn’t in the best interests of Scotland to allow such limited individuals to determine our future, nor the future available to unborn generations. The 18th century millennial spirit of yoonion has deminished, and moral justification for Britain, long expired. Here’s some Social and Political Philosophy views of Brexit, a very English nervous breakdown.

Rousseau’s Revenge: The Political Philosophy of Brexit

Abstract

The political philosophy behind Brexit was a product of disenchantment stemming from the political inequality associated with post-democracy. The referendum itself was an attempt to allay fears that popular opinion was being excluded on the EU issue. This chapter explains that political representation under post-democracy exacerbates the fundamental inequality between ruled and ruling that preoccupied Jean-Jacques Rousseau. Yet resorting to direct democracy to create political equality between governed and governing worked only momentarily. The challenge thus facing the British political establishment after Brexit is that of maintaining belief in the representativeness of the governing and in the sovereignty of the people. Rousseau’s revenge comes not by providing a counter-model of democracy, but rather by asking questions representative democracy struggles to answer.

link to researchgate.net

The Contradictory Political Philosophy of Brexit

Legitimacy crisis

Initial analysis of the vote showed that 75 per cent of Conservative-held parliamentary constituencies and 70 per cent of Labour ones had a majority for leave. Not for nothing did Nigel Farage, the then leader of the UK Independence Party (Ukip) whose success was a catalyst for holding the vote, declare the result a victory ‘for real people, ordinary people, decent people’. This folksy rhetoric points to the very real fault line revealed by the Brexit vote. What the campaign waged by the Leave side tapped into so successfully was a general sentiment that the people are no longer sovereign. To reprise the language of Abraham Lincoln, opponents of the EU made hay with the notion that government in the UK is not by and of the people or even for the people. Direct democracy was thus invoked – in the land where parliamentary sovereignty is deemed sacred – to remedy the perceived pathology of how representative democracy managed the UK’s relationship with the EU….

link to journals.sagepub.com

Brexit anxiety: a case study in the medicalization of dissent

Abstract

This paper illustrates how concepts of mental disorder have been deployed to medicalize negative emotions and, thereby, weaken the political agency of some individuals. First, I theorise the link between political agency and emotions, arguing that effective political action entails the transformation of emotions into public issues. Using the British referendum on membership in the EU as a case study, I then examine how medically loaded terms and rhetoric were used to describe suffering after the vote. Finally, I argue that this generated conditions that interrupted or even reversed the transformation of subjective experiences into politically meaningful issues.

Keywords: Arendt, political emotions, political agency, EU referendum, Brexit

link to tandfonline.com

In case you missed it.

DEFRA announces an independent review of how farmers are allocated funding.

This will be interesting, in a time when no EU funding coming in, and Brexit is dragging the economy into the toilet.

link to gov.uk

Liz g

I don’t disagree with any of your comments. The msm do not need any help in attacking the YES movement. Any excuse will do and they will exploit the tiniest indiscretion (and if there isn’t one they will invent one) to the max in TV, radio and print media.

Public displays of disagreement only give ammo to our enemies. That’s why this issue has to be sorted using a bit of common sense offline and NOT day after day on this blog.

Ulster will never surrender,
We will never come under Rome rule.
Funny how two people representing Scotland care more for a foreign province than the country they were elected to serve.

A hard border in Ireland will speed up the process of Unifying the whole Island.

PacMan @ 9.43
Dose that also mean that Land Management will be controlled from Westminster?
Or would be…. if we’re still in the Union..LOL..

Here’s some Critical and Theoretical perspectives on Brexit.

Theory and Brexit: can theoretical approaches help us understand Brexit?

Brexit is the defining issue of British politics. Not an hour goes by without the emergence of some new speech, gossip, debate, statement or policy proposal. Anyone seeking to understand Brexit can face an overwhelming challenge. Brexit is, therefore, a topic in urgent need of theoretical analysis. We need to find a way to sift through all the developments in order to focus on those that are the most important. This is where theory plays an important and necessary role….

A Theory of Brexit?

The aim here has not been to create a theory of Brexit, or to argue that only one of the above theoretical approaches is appropriate to understanding it or, if you wish to try to use theory to give pointers, where Brexit might go. The study of Britain’s international relations, as with so many states, has often drawn heavily on realist approaches. In the case of Brexit such theories will serve as a way of highlighting how important economic and security interests can be in explaining the behaviour of a state such as the UK, the member states of the EU, and the remaining EU as a single actor. But this should not lead us to overlook the importance of bureaucratic politics for a process that is already complex and looks set to become more so. More importantly, the place of ideas on either side – and the likely clash over them – mean constructivist approaches will need to be used if we ever hope to explain how the UK and the EU handled Brexit.

link to blogs.lse.ac.uk

The Game Theory of Brexit
link to politics.co.uk

Critical Theory of the Contemporary: Brexit, Immigration, and Populism
link to telospress.com

@Liz g
The problem is, once you get a panel, a board, and loads of discussions with loads of conflicting viewpoints, the first march would be hoped to take place in 2020, not already happened.

Those advocating the opposing sides in the AUOB case talk it out, did you read Jason McCann’s article? He’s had a very nasty message already from one of them. Another person who had dealings with them called them “gangsters”. Another mentions a nasty phone call, “drug fuelled” he said, that his wife got at 2am! Does that sound like the sort of people who will be open to a polite discussion? The organisers may well be genuinely passionate about independence but nasty, violent people can vote Yes too.

And here are some more critical and bio-ethical views.

Brexit and English utilitarianism

“What does Brexit mean for bioethics?” is our lead story today. Given that the Leavers were not expected to win and that the pundits have widely different views of the future of the politics and economies of the UK and the EU, it is unwise to be dogmatic on the issue.

However, the question highlights the importance of Britain in the world of bioethics. Britain is the home of utilitarianism, which is the dominant philosophy in bioethical discourse at the moment. The medical and scientific establishment is dominated by a utilitarian mindset which has set the agenda for debates on embryo research, stem cell research and assisted dying around the world. As one cynical writer commented, “when it comes to bioethics, Europe might be better off without Britain”.

There is something in this. Although I am handicapped by a big language barrier, my impression is that from Norway to Italy there is much more depth and diversity in bioethical discourse across the Channel. The Greens and the Christian Churches are much more influential, to say nothing of Continental philosophy, which despises utilitarianism as vacuous and naïve. If England (the pundits all agree that Scotland will secede) loses its biomedical industry to the EU, perhaps utilitarian bioethics will lose some of its funding and its influence. That would be no bad thing, I think….

link to bioedge.org

What does Brexit mean for equality and human rights in the UK?
link to equalityhumanrights.com

How will our future relationship with the EU shape the NHS?
link to nuffieldtrust.org.uk

The great thing for the cause of Scottish indepence, is the huge rise of English nationism.
Without this our task of gaining Scottish freedom would be a lot harder.
We still have a lot to do, but the tide has turned south of the border.
Most brexters would ditch the uk if England could successfully Brexit.
Let’s help them.

Thanks Valerie/ liz g .

Petra things have stunk for a long time within Auob & if we Independenistas didn’t expose their shortcomings they would be exposed by the Unionist media the Ego’s of Auob were dependent on people holding their weesht to protect Independence Grassroots movement ( they were well warned they couldn’t get away with their abuse of long time hard working Independence supporters ( excluding myself ) , people like John Mellon/Donald Anderson ( supped their portage in Barlinnie before those clowns were even born .

To the rest of the commenters

Of the Many many people who tried to have a civil conversation with Singh/Mackay/Kelly/Cellini/McNanmara & the hingers oan READ the piece by Jason & understand there is no civil communication. I ask You’s is Mackay’s abusive e mail to a 73 yr old man except able to us grassrooters ( John Alba Mellon ) one of the Many I don’t think so .

There is more shite to come ( and not from John Mellons sheets ) I may add . Auob have made their beds and lied in them & expect us to support them THIS INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT DOESN’T NEED ARSEHOLE LEADERSHIP but if You’s people that think you’s can communicate with Egotists be my guest ?s about bucket collections will certainly result in vile abuse .

Someone called Arlene Foster. ‘A bunny broiler from Belfast’

Why not set up a twitter hashtag #AUOBstink or whatever you do on twitter, and then anyone who wants to join in, goes there? AUOB could be blocked to keep it one-sided.

I’m not commenting about any specific conduct by any particular person, but I would point out that Scotland was led onto the Bannockburn field of battle by a man suspected of murder and excommunicated by the Catholic Church.

Furthermore, it was this precise excommunication and the edict issued against all Scots by the Pope which directly led to the Declaration of Arbroath and our unique and unprecedented popular sovereignty which might yet save the day for Scotland 700 years after it was written.

I don’t doubt there were many good people in 13th and 14th Century genuinely perturbed by Robert the Bruce’s suitability as a monarch, but sometimes these reservations need to fall on deaf ears.

Just get us over the line, get our Nation back on its feet, and then we can be as draconian or forgiving as we like – once we are safe in Sovereign liberty.

Collie – Your “detested English” shite is fooling no one. Need to try harder.

Collie
Were you maybe getting a bit carried away with yourself, re. who our opponent is?

Collie@10.20
Our fight is not against the English it is against England and an unequal and abusive union. It is also with those Scots who are the modern parcel of rogues and would sell Scotland’s hopes and dreams for Westminsters gold.

I enjoyed the three marches I was able to attend – Glasgow, Bannockburn and Edinburgh. Fortunately, I had no idea there were issues about the leadership.

Perhaps it is inevitable. We have been here before with Hope Over Fear and the great falling out with Tommy Sheridan. Perhaps successful anti-Establishment movements are doomed to infiltration by spooks and agents provocateurs.

The marching season is over for now. I hope these disputes are resolved over the next few weeks and that whatever follows is inspiring and successful. Maybe some town-hall-meeting events would be better for spreading the word and encouraging people to engage.

yesindyref2 at 8.28

Thank you.

@Dave McEwan Hill
No worries 🙂

It’s all about the Independence, Independence, Independence.

And when we get that, the first hill I’ll be back to is Ben Lui on a clear day.

It’s possible I’ll have to build up to it though …

@ronnie anderson
Nobody posted a link to their fundraiser on THIS thread.

@Liz g
Yes, but do we really want this forum to be all about AUOB, maybe invite them along to give their side, forget all the other things happening with Indy? Things which might actually get us a YES vote next March – 2 months before the next planned AUOB march? Nothing to stop motivated people setting up their own organisation to organise the next March, apart from the hard work, time and inevitable personal spending involved in organising anything like that.

Sorry folks, I’m out (on this thread), as they say on Dragon’s Den.

What finely drawn characters. Thank you Chris. Thanks for not waiting til Saturday. You have them captured right there. Let’s be rid of them.

Re AUOB

There has been a vacuum waiting to be filled since the SNP has all but turned it’s back on leading the fight for independence since 2014.

The commitment and hunger for indy is there, as the attendances at these marches prove. If we win independence, it increasingly feels like that it will be despite the SNP rather than because of the SNP.

As for Ronnie Anderson, he might be the nicest guy around but, on Wings, he and his Wings clique have also been quick to hand out vile abuse. So, accusations of AUOB bullying him seems a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. No that that justifies abuse of others; it shouldnae happen at all.

As for lies and manipulation, the SNP have been doing it for years. Just the same as Labour and the Tories and LibDems.

As far as I’m concerned the SNP can also be lying b******s but, they’re our lying b’s.

It’s fairy tale politics to believe the SNP, Scot Govt and all indy people are all saints (or all evil) and all unionists are either all evil or all good.

I believe independence is best for Scotland. When the SNP say that I agree with them. When AUOB or Tommy Sheridan say it, I’ll agree with them. When Ronnie Anderson says it, I’ll agree with him.

If you think it’s bad in the indy movement, just listen to the daggers being sharpened for big Treeza’s back by her “friends” in the Tory Party. And Jeremy Corbyn’s back must be like a porcupine by now thanks to his “friends” in Labour.

But as for indy, it’s time for the SNP to take the lead. Not necessarily call indyref now, but at least provide leadership and direction promoting indy BEFORE any indyref or else step aside altogether and the SNP can stick to being the UK Govt administrators of devolution.

Ronnie Anderson @ 11.47
Night Ronnie
Take care of you x

And I do mean the detested English and their Establishment.

I am fed up pussy footing about and being all PC.

The majority of the English nation take for clowns. They think we are a shower of subsidy junkies.

And that is a fact.

Absolutely fed up to the back teeth listening to the patronising bastards.

Independence cant come quickly enough.

Collie
You have one chance to reconsider your choice of words.

@Dr Jim.

Hmmm, stewed sausage, oh yes. Try it with square as an alternative.

After Brexit the English nation will become one of the poorest countries in Europe,,and it couldn’t have happened to a nicer shower of self centered patronising bastards.

GIRFUY ENGLAND.

The longstanding lack of political agency has caused significant damage to the Scottish psyche. Emotional maturity is required when involved in conflict and ideological disputes, particularly of the cultural variety. Intolerance towards Others is what has provided this golden moment for our movement, let’s not muck it up at the final hurdle.

Political Correctness—Between Fiction and
Social Reality

Abstract:
Nowadays political correctness (PC) is blamed by its opponents because of a failed model of multiculturalism, an influx of migrants and the threat of terrorist acts. Obviously, a definition of tolerance given by UNESCO in 1995 has lost its meaning. In order to argue a possibility of a global ethos based on new understandings of PC, the authors refer to contemporary achievements of semiotics, hermeneutics and philosophical anthropology. We use a critical method developed in the hermeneutical tradition of P. Ricoeur, J. Kristeva, Tz. Todorov and others.

Criticism is directed at (1) paradoxes of postmodern philosophical attempts for justification the idea of political correctness; (2) the way of introducing new terminology, as on a language level it leads, not to inclusion, but to exclusion, of disadvantaged people because as E. Benveniste states, the third person is rather the non-person. The conclusion is that politically correct speech should be grounded on a basis which takes into account the three persons of verb conjugation. Similar philosophical and ethical ideas can be found in works of J. Kristeva, Tz. Todorov, P. Ricoeur. An example is given for how these ideas can be implemented in the fields of film and art. This is one of the possible ways of overcoming the exclusion of disadvantaged people who are only named in politically correct terms, and not as participants, in social and political dialogue.

Keywords:
multiculturalism; terrorism; political correctness; semiotics; hermeneutics; ethics; censorship; art

link to mdpi.com

Political Intolerance in the Context of Democratic Theory

Abstract and Keywords

This article first provides an overview of democratic theory in order to provide a better understanding of the meaning of political intolerance. The concept of tolerance is clearly explained to avoid any confusion with other terms such as permissiveness. The article identifies the role of tolerance in democratic theory and attempts to determine why some citizens are more tolerant than others. It also pinpoints the consequences of mass political intolerance.

Keywords: democratic theory, political intolerance, role of tolerance, consequences, mass political intolerance

link to oxfordhandbooks.com

Tolerance, Acceptance, Understanding

Tolerance, acceptance, and understanding differ in everyday life and in research

Tolerance is a virtue. It is a version of the golden rule in that, insofar as we want others to treat us decently, we need to treat them decently as well. It is also a pragmatic formula for the functioning of society, as we can see in the omnipresent wars between different religions, political ideologies, nationalities, ethnic groups, or other us-versus-them divisions. It is a basis for the First Amendment protections that enabled the United States to avoid the religious strife that plagued Europe for centuries. (And it is a reason to be skeptical of slogans such as “Zero Tolerance.”)

Acceptance goes a step beyond tolerance. If a sign of tolerance is a feeling of “I can live with X (behavior, religion, race, culture, etc.)” acceptance moves beyond that in the direction of “X is OK.” You can tolerate something without accepting it, but you cannot accept something without tolerating it. For example, when a son or daughter tells a parent about an unwelcome career choice, marital partner, or sexual identity, he or she wants that information not just to be tolerated, but to be accepted.

link to psychologytoday.com

Apologies if this has already been posted

link to politics.co.uk

sufficient progress 🙂

And another thing… Look to Gibralta.

If, the whole thing rests on a deal about tax haven legislation…. if they can do a deal with Gibtalta – that bi passes the ECJ – they have their backdoor.

It will mean the EU has capitulated and the deal (RE TAX HAVEN LEGISLATION ) will be done. We are very small potatoes then I’m afraid.

If I didn’t exist, you’d have to invent me.

Their is a very important piece of writing by former Tory prime minister John Major (from a speech he gave yesterday) I have just read in the Guardian.

I want to quote just a small section (and as I am quoting I have also given the full link). John Major wrote of Brexit;

“…there is no doubt in my own mind that our decision is a colossal misjudgment that will diminish both the UK and the EU. It will damage our national and personal wealth, and may seriously hamper our future security. It may even, over time, break up our United Kingdom. It will most definitely limit the prospects of our young.

And – once this becomes clear – I believe those who promised what will never be delivered will have much to answer for. They persuaded a deceived population to vote to be weaker and poorer. That will never be forgotten – nor forgiven.”

I keep hoping that the people of England will wake up to this folly. When a former Tory Prime minister is saying this about brexit, then surely folk need to stop drinking the freaking kool aid, sniff the coffee and wake up.

Hopefully Scotland can escape the worst of it via independence, but brexit will utterly destroy England, economically and socially.

LINK link to theguardian.com

Professor John Robertson:

link to thoughtcontrolscotland.com

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Prince Harry’s message to an Australian crowd, lol … “We’re all in it together.” Not for much longer, Harry.

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Some very interesting comments on here about AUOB with a number of people going from seeking the truth and transparency from Westminster and the MSM to wanting to cover up lies and deceit (and maybe worse still) from key people in the independence movement. What happened to individuals wanting Scotland to be different, start as we mean to go on etc?

Yes the marches have been invigorating but at what price when the sh*t hits the fan? Who’ll get blamed for that? Nicola Sturgeon no doubt and the SNP. And could it ultimately lose us support? My main gripe relates to AUOB lying to what turned out to be around 100,000 people, conning people, about Police Scotland overturning the HES decision. Dangerous on any number of counts and doesn’t exactly generate any faith or trust in these particular people for the future. If they want to cling onto their claim to fame they should clean up their act: clean up their site and start publishing up to date information, minutes of meetings and their accounts. For example I’d like to know how my donation has been spent. Not exactly too much (for us) to ask for, is it?

link to facebook.com

link to thecanary.co

link to macalbasite.wordpress.com

link to theorkneynews.scot

link to davidhencke.com

link to newshoundsnewsround.wordpress.com

link to sputniknews.com

link to caitlinjohnstone.com

link to newstalk.com

link to rte.ie

Brexit: another country
link to eureferendum.com

link to irishtimes.com

Can we hope collie will learn not to be offensive online after yesterdays carry-on? Probably not.

These guys appear from nowhere trying to entice others to respond in kind. I tend to believe some notables on here who think that he/she? are unionist trollers.

In some respects their venom –“..not putting up with this anymore.” “no more PC” type rhetoric is rather quaint. They are on the edge!! – so what do they do? They go on a pro-independence web page spouting their nonsense. Sad really.

Make Peace Not war and vote for Independence not Brexit.

Collie and co. away back to your unionists masters and tell them its not working.

Ken 500 your passion is huge and well placed =)

Cameron B, VERY useful links! Thanks =)

Cactus =) This is indeed an important day. What will it bring?

What a breath of fresh air if Teressa listened to Nicola and acted on the First Minister’s advice.

Not likely.

The Irish Times, Canary and Reuters links are standout Nana.

I’m no fan of John Major, but he’s not wrong. I’d go further tbh. Those who know Brexit to be a disaster unfolding in Scotland, but insist that sticking with the institution and practices which brought it about is a good thing because….reasons and we hate Nicola?

They might want to consider Mr Major’s view on the subject. When an austerity weakened population that’s already been conned once, is brought to its knees in abject penury and misery through yet another con, what do you think their reaction will be?

Breaking news: 27 minutes ago:-

link to youtube.com

Hamish 100

What a wanker.

Morning Ghillie 🙂

Morning Petra, yes Nicola met with May on the 15th. I forgot to post the link yesterday
link to gov.uk

Guardian investigation reveals how a small firm of wealth advisers built up a $3bn ‘golden passports’ industry and gained influence in the Caribbean
Alexander Nix turns up again
link to archive.is

link to londonlovesbusiness.com

For anyone who hasn’t seen Ross Thomson’s latest attempts to play with the big boys
link to twitter.com

Hamish 100

As far as I can see there is only one person trying to disrupt this forum and that is the guy Ronnie Anderson.

Let’s see you call him out big mouth.

If you don’t like my posts then scroll on by.

Or better still,,,take a hike dick.

Scotland and the Tories:
Yes the Torie are offensive given their support for social division and the wealth gap. They do have a seemingly bottomless pit of incompetent candidates for political office. They are comfortable in the company of religious bigots. They have little (if any) compassion for those in need of support.They do not respect the right of self determination to be expressed…….yet they still achieve 20 percent of the vote?

In recent elections the Tory vote increased as the Labour vote declined….that astounds me a great deal. It appears that many Scottish Labour voters would prefer to give support to the Tories than risk the SNP winning seats. Labour voters supporting candidates who have the opposite values to their own core beliefs to stop a candidate who probably shares most of them???

We still have a way to travel!

Meanwhile, the media is obsessed with some ‘benefit scrounging’ bloke called Harry, who it seems has just taken his wife off on holiday to Australia, first class all the way, and funded by taxpayers.

Clootie says:

It appears that many Scottish Labour voters would prefer to give support to the Tories than risk the SNP winning seats.

Well, in 2017 they were strongly encouraged to do this by their own elected representatives, I believe.

Must be pretty shit being a BritNat these days. The Blue Rinse ones will be living the dream (tin hats on, no surrender etc), but the red tory ones must be writhing in agony as their world view implodes. People like old Dunc H seem to be suffering complete breakdowns. My heart bleeds. 🙂

I think they should go on stage and tour.
Would be a great Comedy pathos act

To paraphrase a once famous advertising slogan “The past is Orange”.

The brand which gave rise to that slogan is now in its final death throes in the hands of those nasty Europeans, Deutsche Telekom, which one might consider particularly ironic.

Breeks @ 10.32

The pope at the time, clement V, was a subject of the King Edward I from his duchy of Aquitaine, of course he did as told.

His excomunication of Bruce is probably one of the long forgotten reasons, if not THE principal reason, for Scotlands colourful religious history.

AUOB

They did a great job keeping the momentum going and a well needed relief valve for those of us who thought their head would explode.

The politics of it all! What politics? I simply attended a march with a wide range of fellow Independence supporters. I know how much time and effort goes into the planning, stewarding and organisation of such an event.

Well done AUOB. You stepped up when no one else did. They clue is in the name “All…”. I would compare it to Wings…if you don’t like it go start your own site!

We have had people in the past (…and still have) who want to direct Wings.
I may not agree with every organisation who gets something off the ground but I will support them for doing so instead of moaning about the lack of action.

They are producing less Oil because of Tory high taxes. 40% since Jan 2016. 30% Corporation tax 10% supplementary. More before. When the price had fallen 75% it was being taxed at 62% Oil & Gas is still having to imported into parts of Britain. The south. The Tories shut down Oil & Gas production in 2010. The producers stopped drilling. The ConDems Osbourne/Alexander put the tax up 11%. (£2Bilion+). They put up the tax from 70% to 80%. The price a barrel was $120. When the price began to fall they did not reduce the tax enough.

The Oil & Gas sector is like a furnace. Once it is shut down it take ages to rebuild it. The Westminster unionists have totally mismanaged the Scottish Oil section. People have died because of it. The have not enforced UK H&S Law. They are totally negligent. US fracked Gas is being imported into Grangemouth. There are opportunity for CSS in the North Sea. Scotland/UK has got major coal reserves. The Condems cut funds for the CCS project at Longannet in Fife. Cut funding for the CCS project at Peterhead. Although the companies are trying to fund it. There is no gas to frack it died out in the 1970’s.

Solar investment has been cut. A tiidal barrage in Swansea £1Biilion has been stopped. Appalling. The Tories are spending £Billions on Hinkley Point which will be years out of date and a total waste of money. There are are much cheaper better methods. The last ones built in France (smaller) and Finland are still having problems and are years out of budget, time and funding. There was reconciliation going on for years between contractors and Gov about who should pay for it. The Tories banned wind turbines in the south. Cut investment in wind, wave and tidal. Two Tidal schemes were stopped. One at the Humber which would have cost £9Billion but much cheaper overall for output.

There seems to be some realisation across the media that the divorce bill of ~£35billion will be payable after the UK leaves regardless of any ‘deal’ or ‘no deal’. The money is owed. It must be paid regardless.

I suspect the idea that anyone might think differently was because the gutter press and even some of the dodgier politicians were suggesting the divorce payment bought something from the EU. Even, it could be withheld as a lever to a ‘better’ deal.

Part of the overall sum was temporary single market status during transition, but most of it was commitments made as a full member.

I think this latest confusion is IMPORTANT. It raises the possibility of ‘no deal minus’!

Leaving with no deal might well mean some last minute emergency legislation to keep drugs flowing or planes flying. However, if the UK tries to leave and refuses to pay debts owing, it does raise the question of why the EU would act to smooth a no deal at all?

It would mean acrimony and mistrust. If the UK wants a life after Brexit it must stop this idea of not honouring debts!

A ‘no deal minus’ appears possible!

Robert Peffers @ 1030 well said Robert.

@Robert Peffers,

We in Scotland woke up to the Tories long ago. Their support here is the hardcore Unionist. We must also recognise Robert that the Tories are only in power because there is an important element of the English population who vote for exactly what they offer. They are not blameless in that choice.

Having been to England twice over the last year,it has very worrying indications of becoming extremely right wing. I had to endure conversations about let’s say “foreigners” who should be shipped out on the next boat. There were other indications about restricting the rights of certain groups.

Never have I heard these people express anything like it before. They might well be brainwashed, but they most definitely believe these things.

It is not just about the government, but also the people who for whatever reason allow those governments to keep being elected.

Ditto Mr Peffers @10:30am.

Perhaps the time limited backstop could be “until such time as a Border poll confirms Irish unity”.

Seems reasonable to me. What about the people with #NoEyelids?

@Collie,

You have not met every person in England. I know many great English folk. Decent, to the core. I understand how you feel, but never never believe you know the mindset of a whole population, because you don’t.

Many will be the way you think, but equally, many will be just the opposite.

The people of both Scotland and England have been subjected to decades, no centuries, of misinformation and propaganda. And in both nations the population has swallowed it to a greater or lesser extent at different times.

In Scotland it has been specifically pro Union and as part of that has been attempts to replace Scottishness with ‘Britishness’ which inevitably means ‘Home County-ness’.

In England it has been pro Establishment and part of that has been to foster ideas of entitlement and exceptionalism at every level. They are expected to believe their nation is special, but also those who rule it must also be special. A cult of heirachy and privilege has been fostered.

At no point has everyone everywhere swallowed the subterfuge.

What we are seeing are the scales falling from Scots’ eyes. The English too will begin to see through it all soon too.