Wings Over Scotland

I know we have to be kind to the afflicted but . . .

what a plonker!

Will the PO have some ‘advice’ for the SLabbers who continued the desk-slapping after it became plain that hapless Kelly’s baws were about to be rapped?

And can anyone imagine the reaction if it had been an SNP member being ejected?

James, ‘Sit Down’ –

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In my eyes James Kelly MSP is a living legend, and he can do no wrong. 😀 😀

Oh, nice one! Tricia Marwick is a cracking presiding officer, which is why Holyrood is head and shoulders above Westminster. And you are even allowed to clap!

The whole thing reminds me of being back at school and some silly little boy (“it wisnae me and am no ginnae apologise”) bleating the same rubbish over and over again to the exasperated teacher. In my day, Kelly would have been sent to the headmaster for the belt!

Labour – desperately doing everything they can to bring the Scottish Parliament into disrepute; doing what they can to make it look like a “pretendy parliament”.

They KNOW what the rules are they KNOW how the Standing Orders work.

They are ‘AT’ it.

Make them history and stop Labour trying to bring our Scottish Parliament into disrepute. How?

SNP BOTH barrels SE2016

To dissent:

Both Kelly and Presiding Officer equally stumbled and were inarticulate.

Raise your bloody standards, for Krist’s sake!

Marie Clark says:
15 December, 2015 at 10:20 pm

Thanks for that wee reminder Lesley-Anne, made me laugh out loud again. Whit a flamin numpty.

Mind you, going by today’s performance, he hiznae improved ony, hiz he?

To be honest Marie I’m at a loss as to which *ahem* performance should now be *cough* categorised as his “best”. 😀

Almost a minute and he “couldnie make a point of order” maybe it was a pint of Guinness that muckled his tongue !

Respect the Chair

It showed clearly that Labour has no wish too. Will Dugdale apologise on behalf of the Labour Party?

You have got it wrong G Beater. The Presiding Officer was polite and offered several times for Kelly to make his point. Maybe he just forgot!

She really is an excellent PO, but I think she’d have got a quicker result with the formula I heard on the train the other day:

“Jack, sit doon, else yer maw’s gaunae explode!” Jack sat doon pronto, thus avoiding a spectacular mess. If only Kelly had shown similar common-sense!

She should have skelped the back of his legs and sent him to his room.

Kelly is comedy gold, but the real point is the desperation which is visably emerging with ever outrageous claims and behavior from Slab et al.
Tick tock!

The Presiding Officer was polite

Stand well back and you might perceive it differently. At one point I was certain she needed prompting as to what to do, and sure enough the script was placed on her table.
Neither demonstration of competence is edifying.

The Labour resection of msp’s has nothing to with today’s activities, on the basis that any publicly is good publicity.

Kelly desperately trying to impress labour members with his credentials, hoping for 2nd or 3rd place on the list for the west of Scotland

the bun fight has really started

lets remind ourselves what Brian Wilson thinks of list msps 2003,

Calls to reform the two-tier Holyrood electoral system grew yesterday when a leading Labour MP branded the 56 MSPs elected to the parliament via top-up lists as “an unemployed waste of space”.

The remarks by Brian Wilson, a former government minister, fuelled speculation that Labour intends to scrap the list system by the 2007 Scottish election.

Dissatisfaction with the current model has led to suggestions that it ought to be replaced by a single transferable vote (STV) system.

Under STV, constituencies would be larger and each would have several members. Voters would rank candidates in order of preference.

Of Scotland’s 129 MSPs, 73 have won first past the post seats. The 56 beneficiaries of the regional lists do not have individual constituencies.

The Cunninghame North MP said: “In the Highlands and Islands every one of these people finished third in constituency elections, yet as a consolation they are made MSPs anyway. I don’t see anything democratic about that.

“Personally I would not weep any tears if the list system was done away with. I regard list MSPs as an underemployed waste of space.

“They have no constituency, they have no role and they are not elected by anyone.”

Peter Peacock, the Education Minister, is one of four Labour MSPs elected by the list system. He was elected on the Highlands and Islands list with Maureen Macmillan. Marlyn Glen and Richard Baker entered Holyrood on the North East list. Mr Peacock denied that he was underemployed or a waste of space.

The Scotland Act would have to be amended at Westminster to change the electoral system, making it difficult for any proposal to be considered before the next General Election.

In the summer Lord Steel of Aikwood, the former presiding officer, suggested that the introduction of STV could coincide with boundary changes that will see the number of Scottish MPs at Westminster fall from 72 to 59 – to be put before the Commons by 2006.

A spokesman for the First Minister said: “Brian Wilson is entitled to his views, but the First Minister has made it clear that he doesn’t think that it is a priority to talk about electoral systems.

“Some list MSPs are good but others may not be quite as conscientious.”

Bruce Crawford, the Scottish National Party list MSP for Mid Scotland and Fife, said: “What’s needed is mature debate, not more childish outbursts from Mr Wilson.”

Who has been the biggest numpty today?

1. James ‘sit down’ Kelly

or

2.Severin ‘PFI’ Carrell

Where is Barbara Woodhouse when you need her?

Wow, look like libeour are in the last stages of accepting their demise. Wreck the office as you exit.

Btw, wings keep collapsing, using opera as well…grrrrr.

I don’t know it its rule No.1, but “Thou shalt not argue with the Presiding Officer” must be close to the top.

What in the name o’ the wee…?

No, never mind.

@Grousebeater

she needed prompting as to what to do, and sure enough the script was placed on her table.

Possibly nobody has ever been such a fud before in the parliament, and she needed to remind herself of the rules.

What is wrong with those Slab people, they have ants in their pants. Do you think they’re worried about something?

Sounds like Labour are’ Revolting’ in the Scottish Parliament.

What’s new ?

Next !

@Kenny says: 15 December, 2015 at 10:14 pm:

… In my day, Kelly would have been sent to the headmaster for the belt!”

As Bing Crosby once said to Frank Sinatra, (in the song, “What A Swell Party this Is”), “You must be one of the newer guys”.

In my day the teacher him/herself would have had the Lochgelly out and swinging after Kelly’s first attempt at speaking back. Either that or he would have been nursing a sore head after being struck from a distance with a heavy duty blackboard duster.

The object of the exercise was to make James Kelly famous. That has succeeded.

When he was up, he was up,
Then he wouldn’t sit down
When he was up he’d not shut up
So he was kicked out ….

Grousebeater,

Not many instances arise come up where such dogged ignorance of procedure arise and it is important that it is dealt with correctly which is just what Mrs Marwick did with much more tolerance than Kelly deserved. In an official Opposition that is alarmingly low in ability James Kelly shines out like a beacon.

When the parliament is in session the Presiding Officer is always accompanied by an SP official who is there to provide advice and guidance on procedure and this was what you saw today. A similar role is carried out in the Commons chamber where the clerk sits below the Speakers Chair

Heard the expression “jumping the shark” being used for Labour in this pantomime by Kelly. No idea what that meant so did the usual Google.

The series “Happy Days” was at its lowest point so they had the Fonz jump over a shark on water skis. The wished to revive a failing entertainment by such desperate stunts.

So Labour jumping the shark. Very apt use of modern language Stu but sometimes we oldies need explanations.

‘Scottish’ Labour takes embarrassing and disrespectful to a whole new level.

He’s so wrapped up in believing his own propaganda he does notknow he is an idiot.

Luigi @ 10.37 pm

Correct .

Kelly’s failure to direct his point of order on arriving to his feet was the start of his misjudgement .
This must be done first followed by 3 mins of explaining , alas Kelly then proceeded to give PM lip instead , slam Dunc yer Oot !

Neil Finlay thought he would muscle in ,but being a wee bit brighter light on the tree , decided to sit doon.

O boy what a day .

@caledonia says: 15 December, 2015 at 10:59 pm:

“Just looking at that some might think the chair or whatever its called was just as much to blame”

Sorry, Caledonia, but you are wrong. The definition of, “A point of Order”, is –‘a query in a formal debate or meeting as to whether correct procedure is being followed’.

The, “Orders”, being the set of agreed written rules of the procedure for running the meeting.

Thus the very first requirement of making a point of order is to state the order that your point applies to. Kelly not only did not state the point of order but persisted in making a speech even when respectfully requested to state the Point of Order.

He then insisted he should continue with his wee speech without interruption by the PO, and he was given, (I think), about 11 chances before being told to sit down,(Which, BTW, is itself a standing Order – When the Presiding Officer speaks the person on their feet must sit down). Kelly refused to do so even after being several times requested to do so.

He thus left the PO no other option but to, (wait for it), invoke Standing Orders and ask him to leave the chamber. He then broke standing orders again by refusing to leave and was escorted out. As per standing orders.

As the saying goes The PO followed Standing Orders to the Book, (except she gave him far many chances).

Completely OT

Just watched a programme on Alba which highlighted the interest in Scottish Gaelic in Germany from university courses to less formal courses, Highland Games, Clan Societies. Some of the Germans had better Gaelic than me and I spent 15-20 years learning it.(forgotten more than I remember in the past 20 years).

It seems that Celtic culture and Scottish Gaelic is more appreciated in Germany than by many Scots themselves whether the motivation is academic, musical, romantic, literary or just because they like the sound of it or find it interesting.

One German decided to seek British citizenship but insisted on taking the British Citizenship exam in Scottish Gaelic. They tried to deny him that right but eventually conceded that it was a British language and enlisted interpreters to prepare the paper.

As such he was the first person ever to sit a Citizens test in Scottish Gaelic.

Another female poet writes poetry now in Scottish Gaelic and the example she recited I found moving.

She said when she learned the language she realised that this was her language, the language she had to use for her poetry.

Found the programme inspirational, humbling, educational and shame-inducing all at the same time.

Chic @ 11.57

Sad but True Chic.

Ask Runrig & Wolfstone , they can headline to massive audiences in Germany , Denmark etc

Bob Mack. 11.58

That post strengthens my belief that this was an insipient revolt in the Scottish Parliament by Slab.

Their intention to discredit the PO and the edifice of Scottish democracy.

The laugh is they picked James Kelly to lead their coup.

He ain’t exactly Che is he.

People of Scotland BEWARE, these Unionists are all out for themselves and to undermine our Scottish parliament at every opportunity. We must rid ourselves of this plague and thoroughly fumigate our parliament come May 2016. Vote SNP x 2
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@Tackety Beets
Yes, I knew that, although Wolfstone have been disbanded for some time.

The thing I remember from, oh 25 years ago or so, was one of the top musical awards (Deutchenplatzen? Scuse the spelling) in Germany being won by the Battlefield Band who I suspect still remain unknown to the majority of Scots.

And the popularity there of the bagpipes (duddlesack?)

Similarly Capercaillie were at one time very popular in Spain.

I am also aware of the much more historical popularity in Europe of ‘Ossian’. A work which many credit as being the birth of neo-Romanticism in Europe through Scott, Lamartine, Goethe and others. Napoleon even carried a copy wherever he went whether in battle or prison.

However, I guess what struck me, was the still current interest in Gaelic in terms of it being worthy of study whether for academic or cultural reasons when so many here are seemingly willing to discount it.

Scot Gov rule book,

Rule 8.17 Points of order
1. A member may in any proceedings question whether proper procedures have been or are being followed by making a point of order.
2. In making a point of order, a member may not speak for more than 3 minutes and may not speak on the question under consideration. Points of order shall take precedence over the question under consideration, the discussion of which shall be suspended while they are being considered.
3. The Presiding Officer shall normally take an immediate decision on any point of order in accordance with these Rules but may exceptionally defer taking a decision. The Presiding Officer shall announce the ruling made under this rule.

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The PO can`t let him proceed until she knows the point of order in case it relates to the question under consideration.

Always amuses me when Labour Party buffoons start speaking in that psycho-babble officialdom language. They remind me of the Marx Brothers ‘Sanity Clause’ sketch.

Watch the UK parliament, the second the speaker says order, whoever is speaking sits…immediately. Remember Angus getting cut off at the end during the Scotland Bills amendments debacle?

The second the PO said to him to get on wi it, he should have immediately sat down, then stood up again and got on wi it. End of.

Grouse, she got a wee bit flustered because it is highly unusual for this type of behaviour from any member in the parliament, she was handed the standing orders during the confrontation, that’s clear, in fact her clerk was on it within a second.

I don’t think your criticism is fair on the PO in this instance, and having seen the subsequent Slab’s members repeat the the same PO, I think it was planned from Labour to do this, all of this was ‘out of order’ imo.

Personally I think she was trying to hold her ‘temper’. Which she did.

They’re at it, all of them. That Kelly’s a wee baby in a man’s suit.

As noted above by dakk, a wee sleekit attempt by the SLAB-BRITS to undermine the Scots parliament along the lines of the recent Ukranian example?

What next? Fisticuffs in the chamber as they realize their tea is oot come the Holyrood elections next year?

Perhaps that recognition is now dawning, and Kelly was sent in to the ring as a Unionist attack dog, none too bright, to test the waters apropos a parliamentary coup attempt?

Failing that, how far could the Unionist bloc push things?

If so, they fair picked an inarticulate numptie to probe the possibilities (are he and Lament related?).

Mere parliamentary cannon-fodder, in this case, and unlike WM which actively consigns folk to an actual bloody death.

Kelly, a fool and a tool given the contempt on the face of the brat behind him and over his left shoulder.

I wonder who this vile individual is?

GB is spot on – neither protagonist behaved in an edifying manner.

But haud on a minute … . Are we missing the thin end of a main course here?

We have just seen SLab stand up and question the limitations of Holyrood and the rule of its PO, one of them after the other. The first, a particularly dim one granted, being unprepared to back down.

And in support of an SNP motion.

SLab is revolting!!* Against WM’s chains. Though doubtless it’ll take them a good while to realise it.

*[We hadn’t noticed, honestly]

This is far more interesting than Mr Kelly behaving just like er …, Mr Kelly.

Mr Kelly’s tone became disrespectful very rapidly and to me, sounded like he was trying to be bullying.

So no one ever got to hear if he had something useful to say.

Surely JK MSP has enough experience to know how to behave in that work environment and what the likely outcome of his behaviour would be.

Or was that a feeble attempt to copy someone he could never hope to equal?

James Kelly comes across as another Jimmy Hood type of SLab ignoramus. Publicly exhibiting totally immature, hystrionic behaviour whilst spouting pathetic verbalisations: more than anything just gaga vocalisations. Kezia Dugdale, Leader of the Party, surely leads the way with her own unique demonstrations of incompetence and bizarre, infantile behaviour. Very worrying indeed for Scotland and totally embarrassing for our Parliament as the World looks on.

Maybe they forget that not everyone is being conned by the Labour (even Unionist) controlled propaganda machine? There’s a big old World, MANY countries, beyond our shores monitoring what’s going on. More than willing I’m sure to trade / interact with an Independent Scotland when we dump the Westminster (hated the World over) / Unionist leeches and hey SLab behaviour (backed by their CorpMedia liars) no doubt just reinforces their opinion of when and how this will be accomplished.

There are hundreds of thousands of extremely articulate, highly intelligent and more than anything honest Scots out there but SLab seem to have difficulty in finding them. Hundreds of thousands of Scots who are very adept at counting indeed but SLab are lumbered with individuals who don’t seem to know how to use an abacus.

We have SLab constantly bleating on about dismal numeracy and literacy skill levels in Scotland whilst research findings highlight that Scotland ‘produces’ … ‘pours forth’ the the most highly educated adults in Europe (close to top in the World). Their figures are exaggerated of course but many of their own MSPs attitudes / aptitudes seem to support their own suppositions. Projection? I have no truck with English Labour, and they probably have the same percentage of dolts in their midst, but you can see how they look right down their noses at their most embarrassing (wee, poor, stupid) colleagues North of the border.

The so-called autonomous SLab outfit are still not allowed to hire and fire staff. London decides. God you couldn’t make it up and it just highlights what Scotland is truly having to contend with. A constant stream of ignorant Scottish numpties that have been outed as being (for decades) a bunch of Westminster stooges. How they, Westminster, must be caw, caw cawing at us. Laughing their heads off at having Labour politicians in Scotland happy to be dragged around, begging in some cases, like dogs at the end of their leads. Slithering along the floor, totally cowed, lapping up their crumbs. Meanwhile thousands of starving Scottish (one of the richest countries in the World) children are slithering about looking for some foodstuff just to keep them alive. Now having to be fed at the weekends and during (happy) holiday time. Scotland, and our children, could have been as happy as Norway. Labour made sure that didn’t / wasn’t going to happen and still steer this course.

There doesn’t seem to be much hope of SLab attracting half-decent politicians to their fold any time soon when they’ve reached such an intellectual and political rock bottom. Who in their right mind would want to join them now? Then again! Think about it. Wow. Scarey.

SLab have been involved in deceiving and robbing Scotland blind for decades now. They’ve proven to be totally incompetent (past and present), are now known to be out and out liars, war-mongers, hold a negative mindset and have nothing constructive to offer the Scots. More than anything their relationship with the Tories pre-Referendum (probably for decades in relationship to the Scots) became the absolute catalyst for many Scots (mostly Labour supporters) realising all of the aforementioned. Smiley, smirky Lamont (duped by Brown, Darling and her own ego) walking shoulder to shoulder with Davidson and Rennie finished the Labour Party off in Scotland. That’s when the penny actually dropped for many and there’s no turning back now.

They (as Unionists) absolutely stabbed us in the back last year, compounded that with their cronies in the Daily Record conning many Scots with the Vow and then fought the bit out in an attempt to ensure that Scotland had few powers indeed by demanding that practically nought should be devolved to Scotland re. the Smith Commission. We now have individuals like Kelly attempting to demand powers that his own Party ensured we didn’t get. Enough to make us think that we are all going doolally. As doolally as Kelly and the Labour Party.

And when I actually get over feeling doolally and think about SLabs constant demands for inquiries to be carried out I ask myself why the Scots (SNP) are not demanding a multitude of inquiries be carried out in relation to Labour Party actions / decisions such as blocking new bridge being built, Brown and pension pot stealing, the McCrone Report findings, 6000sq miles of Scottish seas and 7 oil fields being robbed from us by Wilson, Dewar, Blair etc. JUST FOR STARTERS.

The list is endless in fact and it’s high time that we all bucked up and demanded that it’s all made public because very few Scots seem to have any idea at all as to what’s actually been going on.

“Perhaps that recognition is now dawning, and Kelly was sent in to the ring as a Unionist attack dog”

ATTACK DOG?
If Kelly was left to get on with it he would have run round in circles and bitten his own tail!

“Can I just point out, some of the architecture within that building is stunning… ”

Aye but did ye no see the stoor oan they rafters?
middens,

Mibbies they should get superKelly to float up there wi a duster? 🙂

Ignorance is bliss. This is the Party who joined with the Tories to say vote NO. Vote NO you get nothing, Nothingness. Blank. Thick as two short planks.

Vote SNP/SNP. Vote for Independence.

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@Petra

Labour’s problem is staring them in the face and its one to which they cannot have an answer and still be part of UK Labour.

They have no focus, no vision for government or society in Scotland. In short they have no purpose. They were long since repurposed by Labour UK into simply another wing of a party machine, their one remit to ensure ‘regional’ votes and MPs, providing numbers/drones in Commons.

They gave over representing Scottish interests and Scotland as a country because they bought into the whole Labour is one party, the ‘UK’ is one homogeneous country of regions nonsense.

Unfortunately for them, those durned ‘regions’ had different ideas on that, valuing their respective histories, cultures, laws and government. Most notably though Scotland and the Scottish electorate, who ironically voted for the proverbial donkey with a red rosette for decades, still had and has this idea of individuality and self. The electorate may differ on how this should be expressed (devolved home rule or independence), but unlike Labour we do appear to appreciate that it requires government of the people of Scotland, by the people of Scotland.

The majority of Scots also recognise that any such government’s focus should be entirely on their problems, priorities and aspirations. Labour in Scotland simply cannot deliver on this idea, not politically and not ideologically, they are wedded to project UK and the heart of that project, its focus, is a house of government broken beyond repair, located in a bubble that shows its ignorance and contempt of Scottish interests on a daily basis.

Look on even the most well meaning of Labour’s left, Mr Corbyn, as a prime example of this lack of empathy or knowledge. I believe Scotland’s issues leave the man truly perplexed and why shouldn’t they? His issues, his interests, his knowledge base and comfort zone come from an entirely different culture and ideology. In short, a different country.

The SNP on the other hand are indeed Scotland’s national party. They have a focussed vision for Scotland’s governance, social justice, economic model and future. Whether folks are entirely agreed on the path or the end product or not, they do agree that the SNP have that purpose and a point. They know that the be all and end all for the SNP are the interests and well being of the Scottish electorate.

Labour threw their purpose over for a cushy ride a long time ago.

was refusal to sit down due to incontinence.

Tricia Marwick may not be the most honey tongued but she knows what she is about. And it is normal to have clerks in the chair next to the PO passing on stuff, watch any chamber debate.

What I took from this is rather the frankly nuts way Scotland is run, with people trying to raise points of order about LCMs that the PO has to take legal advise on to make sure Westminsters toes aren’t trodden on. The new devo powers are just going to make this system worse.

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Ah but is he telling a Carmichael.

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Just watched this online. Almost peeeed myself. Especially Presiding Officer’s put down on Mr Bloby or Biddy, whatever. Last time I heard “SIT DOWN” said like that I was in front of my primary school teacher. And she would have loved it.

Ned Kelly right enough.

Did anybody tell BBC Scotland of the rebellion in the Parliament yesterday by Scottish Labour thugs?

Because there seems to be a complete news blackout about it.

Labour appear to be turning Scotland’s parliament into a trashy daytime TV game show. All that is lacking is the burst of music as the failed contestant walks off stage, so might I suggest for Mr Kelly:
youtube.com/watch?v=qXIjE_gDw94

Was he pushed? Did he jump?

Will we ever really care?

Having boxed himself into a corner, the look on Kelly’s face was priceless:

“Ye canna dae this tu me! Am Scottush Labour!”

@jdman

The ‘hardman look’ behind the eloquent Kelly is (or was) the great labour hope about 18 months ago but has ‘subsequently’ seen the light. No need to worry about him. 🙂

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Bravo to the PO.

SNP x 2 best remedy.

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Having to go Christmas shopping today. May take some time to recover afterwards!

@jdman says: 16 December, 2015 at 5:40 am:

” … I think that flutter spoke to HOW nonpartisan she is and she was not looking for an opportunity to support her party, she should be congratulated.”

If you know what was going on it is clear that Trish Marwick, and her staff, followed Standing Orders to the letter. If there was any fault, as you say, it was over tolerance by the Presiding Officer.

The accusations that Trish was hesitant doesn’t hold water. I’m certain that the pause was Trish actually waiting for the correct procedure laid down in Standing orders to be followed.

Kelly claimed, “A point of Order”. Points of Order take precedence and thus the PO must deal with the Point of order.

A point of order was not what Kelly was wibbling on about. At best it was a Labour Party attempt to force Holyrood to debate a non-devolve matter it has no legal powers to deal with – The Trade Union Bill.

This was NOT a Point of Order. It had absolutely nothing to do with Holyrood Standing Orders. In fact it was, “Out of Order”.

The Standing Orders procedure is for the PO to be handed the actual official copy of the, “Standing Orders”, and to read from it the decision of the PO. That was the hesitation – Trish was waiting for the Standing Orders to be given to her.

She then asked Kelly to state, “The Standing Order”, he was attempting to make his, “Point of Order”, about. As it wasn’t a, “Point of Order”, but simply a Labour Party objection to a Westminster Bill that Holyrood cannot deal with, he could not do so.

Furthermore, “Standing Orders”, states that as soon as the PO speaks the person on their feet sits down. Kelly not only did not sit down but verbally stated he would not do so. That is a direct challenge to the Scottish Parliament’s authority and Trish was far too lenient by not immediately asking Kelly to leave the chamber and if he refused have him forcibly removed by security.

I don’t think it’s a lack of discipline so much as a lack of professionalism, and a degree of hubris thrown in for good measure,

Labour have lost their way, and see it as their job to discredit and rubbish all things SNP and/or pro Independence. Its a rather feeble minded objective to have, but when you see Kezia Dugdale’s “innovative”take of FMQ’s, it’s a failing that goes to the top. Why let the business of government get in the way of contriving awkward SNP sound bites for the BBC to blow through its trumpet? I find it tiresome, and I’m heartened at the possibity that the Speaker finds it tiresome too.

I’m not a fan of Parliament’s formal procedures. For me, it has overtones of Westminster’s disingenuous traditions which have no place in a modern Scottish democracy. But notwithstanding, the post of speaker does require absolute authority, and the members would do well to remember it.

I think perhaps the standing of the Speaker was diminished by the events, but not by any failure on her part, but because due respect for the position was not given. The standing of Kelly however was diminished tenfold, and credit where it’s due, it was all his own doing.

The Labour party campaigned, lied, threatened, and voted for power to be retained by Westminster in all it’s forms

Then complains to the SNP to do something about all the power retained in Westminster that they voted for

The Labour party then seriously expects the people of Scotland to pay attention to anything they have to say on any subject whatsoever

Sit down Mr Kelly, or leave the building, or do nothing, it’s all irrelevant anyway

SNP/SNP….Shazzam!! and they’re gone (sigh)

“The Labour party campaigned, lied, threatened, and voted for power to be retained by Westminster in all it’s forms

Then complains to the SNP to do something about all the power retained in Westminster that they voted for “

There’s the profound contradiction, right there. How do you survive as a credible political party after voting against a nation’s domestic interests, and then demand that the administration you denounced protects those self-same domestic interests?

There’s the profound contradiction, right there.

It’s their pretendy parliament, in their Scotland region.

Yoons know exactly what they’re about. 56 MP’s in Westminster airbrushed away nationally BBC style, Holyrood ignored and ridiculed in Scotland, BBC style.

SNP bad, pretendy parliament, UKOK.

A nice demonstration of how it works locally, neo fascist Voice of the North Press and Journal almost never reports anything Holyrood at all.

Local yoon propaganda for local people, buy the P&J, and ofcourse kiss the royals ring.

Sorry O/T.
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I see that flipper Darling is tweeting that this is another victory for Labour.

Do you think Kelly was deliberately obdurate in his behaviour in order to get himself expelled so he could get his name in the press and show the Presiding officer Tricia Marwick in a bad light?

After all Dugdale in her column in the daily stranger on Monday was having a go at Tricia Marwick’s ruling that parliament’s legislative consent is not required for the Trade union bill.

O/T – did anyone else see the front page Express minor headline this morning – “Scots schools falling behind rest of the world say experts”. My wife, from Birmingham,who although a committed Independentista, gets the Express because it contains a lot of English news. I read the article which in no way reflected the headline and the reality is that anyone who read today’s article in the National could confirm the OECD report praised Scottish education but pointed out weaknesses in Mathematics. My family read the Express for 70 years in total and it was, way back, considered a “pillar of the Establishment” – nowadays it can only be described as “the shit of the Establishment”. Excuse language please.

Red Tories. I would like to evict the bloody lot of them, permanently.

Well, at least we can get rid of quite a few in May 2016. Let’s work hard to reduce Kelly’s 37 Heroes to the Dirty Dozen. 🙂

This was a set up stunt from Kelly . A “lets show the people how Labour MSP’s stand up to this SNP government ” kind of ploy . It didn’t work ,just showed them up as the incompetents they are .

This was a SLab setup to try & get ammo for UK Labour in WM. Had he succeeded Holyrood would have exceeded it’s legal competency as PO stated but would also have enabled UK Labour in WM to trash the devolved Scottish Parliament’s reputation & add credibility in calling it a ‘pretendy parliament’.

SLab weren’t working for themselves-this was a co-ordinated attack by SLab (on behalf of WM)to weaken a competent govt that continually puts SLab to shame day after day.

That was also the reason for Carrells rant on PFI. Everything is aimed at weakening current govt.

They just don’t learn do they 🙂

“Sit doon Kelly you’re an arse!” The PO was spot on!

Does Kelly’s money get cut when he’s suspended? If not why not, he’s only in there for the money.

Spot on Lollysmum. The whole fiasco was stagemanaged. Not happy with being known as clowns they want to drag Holyrood down to circus level also.

It’s too bad that the Presiding Officer wasn’t in a position to say ”Sit down you troublemaking wee hypocrite. You’ve got some brass neck bleating on about Trade Union policy when you did your utmost to ensure that it wasn’t devolved to Scotland.

Nicola Sturgeon should call for an inquiry to be carried out to ascertain why it wasn’t devolved.

I see that Neil Biddy butt his neb in too. That’s the man that languished back, over a number of years, and did sweet Fanny Adams for the people of Johnstone, Kilbarchan and Lochwinnoch in Renfrewshire. He and his cronies also destroyed Paisley town centre, economically, by implementing some of their bright ideas: Paisley now land of charity and pound shops all thanks to Biddy et al. Now don’t wanting to lay waste on an even greater scale.

Kelly, as much use as Willie Rennie.

james kelly is campaign coordinator for SLab. Isnt that wonderful.

“What a shame the PO isn’t allowed to have a John Dick three-pronged extra heavy under her cloak – and be allowed to use it! What a shower…”

I felt the weight of one of those bad boys on more than one occasion.#6rapid 🙁

To be fair the Presiding Officer was asking the wrong question. She asked, “What is the point of ORDER”. She should have asked, “What is the point of LABOUR?”, at which point nearly 100 MSP’s would have shouted in Unison, “No Bloody Point”.

Stephen.

The picture says it all
Kelly’s Zeros

Grouse Beater says:

Anyhow, it’s done and gone. Next time she’ll be better prepared
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I think she does a great job as PO and will be sorely missed when she steps down.

As for being unprepared, surely the behavour of that petulent child was unwarranted and extremely uncommon.

As a result, Tricia Marwick was understandably frustrated by this inane lack of respect for her authority, communicated by his refusal to either sit down or proffer an apology.

I just hope that Kezia Dugdale shows some real leadership qualities and disciplines this agitator within an inch of his career.

Wonderful, you couldn’t make this stuff up 🙂

You know, when I first saw the layout of the chamber it reminded me of nothing so much as a schoolroom. Aye noo ye ken weel whit happens whan ye talk back tae Teacher. What a crowd o ill bred wains the lot o them.

Perhaps Messrs.Bailie, Fraser and Rennie could be asked to give an eaxmple of any WM government which was daft enough to increase the rates of Income Tax months before a General Election.

How long will we have to wait before one or all of them tell us that it is all part of a cunning plan to win next May and that as soon as a majority SNP Govt. is elected they will produce an emergency budget increasing the Income Tax Rates.

Greetings from Raleigh, North Carolina. Well, I’ve just watched the uncut version for the first time. Previously, I had only seen the three minutes or so involving Mr Kelly. Now, I am no expert in these things, but I did not actually hear a Point of Order from the other three who stood up. So the PO showed remarkable restraint, in my view.

What did any of these dunderheids hope to achieve? Should the PO have just said “That is not a point of order?”

The only point and order Slab partake in is, the Greggs hot food section.(point-Ten pies)num num (that’s each)
Kelly’s wee rant took me back to 2nd year at school, it was funny then, but when a supposed adult behaves like this “at his work” I would sack the twat.
There is no way I would put up with this crap from an employee, or a boss.
Haven’t seen FMQs yet, should be a laugh, saw a wee bit on reporting misery on the I-player, looks like Dipity is back from the groomers, and making an arse of herself as usual.

Oops.Sorry.

POO not POI (Kelly was talking POO!!)