Wings Over Scotland

Interestingly my SNP MP has started a crowdfunder for the next election. I’d like to have replied that if he was still fighting for independence I might have considered it! The SNP is such a shadow of its former self that the kind of help he got for electioneering last time is no longer a remote possibility. Needless to say you can’t reply to his post and there’s no point in emailing as he doesn’t answer. My only hope is to meet him in the town and tell him face to face how hopeless he is.
I’d better do so before 1st April as he’ll probably get me charged with a hate crime.

Labour are also pulling the ‘vote for us, we’re not the Tories’ line which will work as people are so tired of what the Tories have done in the last 14 years that’ll probably win them the GE as well as a huge majority. It’ll also work to a degree for the SNP, not to mention the ‘vote us if you want Indy’ line will grab the hard of thinking.

However what do the SNP actually offer in 2024? There’s no sign of genuinely progressive policies that’ll pull the most vulnerable out of poverty, and yes, I know Westminster holds much of the strings but there’s no sign the SNP as they are show any signs of spending money now in the right places. Any good policies are legacy policies of the Salmond and early Sturgeon era.

We’re getting a rough idea of what Labour will do at a UK level, but there’s nothing of anything from the Scottish parties apart from ‘we’re not like the others’ with the exception of the Greens who’re pushing some half-hearted stuff about the environment and mutilating children.

As a slight aside, I still find it completely extraordinary that nobody in the media has really informed people of what Aimee Challinor did, what her father did & how he effectively changed the policies of several parties to push the Trans agenda. It really should have been a national scandal on the level of Savile but barring a few articles it vanished.

lol @ “and the other bloke”

It’s all part of the usual rip-off — pretend it’s a fight for independence against the British Government / Tories and blah, blah, blah…

“Election is a straight fight between SNP and Tories – Yousaf” – I was under the impression it was now illegal to be straight?

Seriously though… a straight fight between two parties which between them form major chambers of the beating heart of corruption in public service?

– A choice between that which is (as Bevan put it) ‘Lower than vermin’… cruel, classist, vicious and since around 1980 has worked to destroy every social advance that was fought for by the working classes in WW2 – Or the ‘Tartan Tories’ with their faux signalling of social justice and utter betrayal of those who seek to free their country from being ruled by a big plook on the arse-end of Little Englund

Filthy Spivs Vs Dirty Quislings? – With Labour (Magenta Tories) and some vacuous also-rans bringing up the rear? The only winning move is not to play – VOTE BLANC!

As Scotland has never once given the Tories a majority in 69 years and how the Tories have destroyed the country over their last 14 years in power by lying and deceiving and corruption
I will be all my money, my house and my soul that the Tories are in for a complete hiding and they will never in my lifetime be the second party in Scotland.

They did achieve second only because Labour were pathetic in all that they do and say.

Over the last 9 years the SNP has metamorphosed into labour. Strictly speaking then, Yousaf is correct.

On the establishment’s game board at least, the fight is only between the tories and labour, with the caveat that labour is two teams to the fight, each operating under a different flag and brand.

In this ‘let’s pretend-democracy’ game, Yousaf has no choice but targeting the tories as their bogeyman to fight against during the campaign because the SNP and labour have become so, so, so close right now, that are pretty much indistinguishable. They are the exact same thing. This means the SNP cannot attack labour without attacking itself at the same time. Yousaf may not be the sharpest tool in the box, but at least he can get that.

The only thing that would separate the SNP from labour right now is the subject of independence. But after 9 years of dangling carrots to avoid doing anything about it, the electorate has realised that neither Yousaf, his handlers or his team of glutton gravy-slurpers, have any intention whatsoever of focusing on independence and that, for the last 9 years, they have tirelessly worked to preserve the union, rather than ending it.

The day in 2015 the political fraud claimed that a vote for the SNP was not a vote for independence, was the turning point that marked the end of the SNP as a party of independence and the commencement of its metamorphosis into labour.

The whole GE is a farce. The UK parliament is a farce. Self-serving idiots are allowed to make a mockery of the place and democracy, and insult the UK electorate by wasting everybody’s time to talk about ferrets, so they could deliberately obstruct the progression of a bill.

And the worse is that they are allowed to get away with it because the whole thing is a complete farce, not real democracy.

What are we paying these idiots those ridiculously high salaries for? What do we need useless individuals who piss on democracy by talking about ferrets because they have so little ethics and are so devoid of democratic principles that effectively sell the seat and their time to lobbyists?

Elections in the UK are no longer elections, they are nothing but a charade. MPs are not MPs. They are the useful idiots of lobbyists who are abusing our seats to progress their own interest. We have no real options to vote for, just the exact same toxic option disguised under different brands to create the illusion of a choice.

Refusing to continue playing along with this “losers forever” rigged game by spoiling the ballot, and in doing so, refusing to give our legitimacy to Westminster and this mockery of democracy, never sounded more attractive as it does now.

Because, at the end of the date, what the hell it is that are we voting for? What is the actual point in sending MPs to Westminster, other than to legitimise the continuous abuse of Scotland and these idiots continuing to take the piss of the electorate by obfuscating and at times, deliberately obstructing democracy?

Maybe he meant for second place? And, in fairness, the SNP really should win that one.

Mia wrote: “Over the last 9 years the SNP has metamorphosed into labour. Strictly speaking then, Yousaf is correct.

Which might be a less-bad thing had ‘Labour’ not also metamorphosed into Magenta Tories back in the days when Tory B. Liar held the rudder… For me, the key issue here is the abandonment of seeking social justice (in the plainest sense of the phrase) and striving towards a fair society where there is no unavoidable reason for any citizen to be living in poverty or deprived.

The SNP virtue-signal in this respect. But if you take (for example) the provision of primary health-care; the way things are run amounts to something that resembles the way common drug dealers carve up certain areas. – Patient choice (though enshrined in law) is a joke and the ‘carve up’ is very-much between private businesses; some of which feature non-clinicians (i.e. greedy profit-driven rats) as practice partners.

…And they are (right up the Health Secretary and FM level in my experience, back in Freeman/Sturgeon’s time) quite prepared to directly endanger the lives of patients – should any such member of the great unwashed have the audacity to attempt to speak truth to their power.

Put another way – they (the SNP) are prepared to put the priorities of private businesses ahead of the law of the land and the duty of care (to the public) that the NHS is charged with. – This is a most insidious form of backdoor privatisation; and of course is just one tiny exemplar of how public services are ‘monetised’ for the benefit of the well-connected few, by our lovely, cuddly caring SNP government.

– Not of course that any of the alternative will do anything to change or improve this; especially not Thatcher’s – sorry, Starmer’s – ‘Labour’ party.

“Refusing to continue playing along with this “losers forever” rigged game by spoiling the ballot, and in doing so, refusing to give our legitimacy to Westminster and this mockery of democracy, never sounded more attractive as it does now.”

quite so…

Back in the old days I often used to vote ‘Monster Raving Looney’ as a protest. Anecdotally I’m of the view that they don’t even properly record and report the ‘spoiled papers’ here in West Lothian; such is the arrogance and corruption in play.

If there is one piece of electoral reform we need, it’s the option to record a ‘none of the above’ vote and have that properly noted. – I’d go further and suggest that the return of a majority ‘NOTA’ vote in any area should (a) BAR all the reject candidates from standing for election for 10 years and (b) trigger an immediate re-run!

I’d waste my vote and vote Tory to stop the SNP winning any sweats in Scotland.

Our enemy isn’t south of the border its in our own government running Scotland.

Could be a May election, could be October.

A lot could happen between these months and I confidently expect it will.

We live in innarestin times now, the old predictable certainties can no longer be relied on.

I think all three parties still have a chance of coming first in Scotland. I think, too, that a fraudulent charlatan like Yousaf would go into coalition with anybody, Green, Labour or Tory, to get another 5 years of troughing.

It’s about power and money, always has been, always will be.

Mia
Ignored
says:
16 March, 2024 at 5:34 pm

“I’d waste my vote and vote Tory to stop the SNP winning any sweats in Scotland”

And achieving, what?

It could mean no self-id, no puberty blockers for children, no hate crime bill etc no bloody Labour gov who would bring in all of the above & more.

Mia

SNP have destroyed any hope of Independence for the foreseeable future all because of greed. This party under Sturgeon and now Humza has shown more contempt towards Scotland and its people and for me I’d rather see the demise of the SNP than see the likes of FLynn or Humza being returned back into power on the back of another FAKE promise. My local MP Hannah Bardell who has done nothing for West Lothian or Scotland and yes in the next WM election I will be voting for the best person who can defeat her and if it means voting Tory then that’s where my grubby little pencil will go and just to let you know I had been a member and supporter of the SNP for 33yrs before me and my wife left in 2015.

If Scotland has any future the demise of the SNP has to be where it starts.

The SNP has been compromised, corrupted and infiltrated.

They’ve run the indy movement, and Scotland, into a quagmire.

Time to rip it up and start again.

“It needs to be an ISP or hold your nose and vote Conservative , a very very clear message needs to be sent to Sarwar and Yousaf that we won’t take this shit any longer…”

Voting conservative will achieve absolutely nothing if the shit you are not prepared to take any longer is that of sending majorities of anti-union MPs to Westminster for 9 years only for the union to become even stronger, because our “political vehicle for independence” has been hijacked by the British establishment and has been disabled.

The only thing voting tory achieves is to preserve the status quo, to maintain the abuse and the silencing of Scotland and the pillage of its assets to continue.

At the end of the day, this union is the very reason why we have an infiltrated and now rogue pro-independence party in government acting directly against its own raison d’etre, and directly attacking the interests and rights of the population it claims to represent.

The continuity of the union is also the very reason why instead of having a parliament, Scotland has a farcical talking show were “parties” gather to gossip, to talk about nothing of substance, and compete with each other to see who manages to pass the most stupid, most toxic and most useless piece of legislation, the higher the damage to the people of Scotland the better. For as long as Holyrood remains tied in the straight jacket that the Scotland Act is, a talking shop designed to pass toxic policies is what it will ever be because that Act is designed to ensure the talking shop never represents, never mind serves, the people of Scotland.

The union is the reason why our legislative, executive and judicial powers are being hoarded by the crown thanks to parachuting unelected representatives of the crown to the gov cabinet so they can blocking democracy to stop independence.

The union is the reason why we have a dysfunctional and unfit for purpose prosecution service, which is being strangled by an office of the crown clinging on its neck and bent on thriving on malicious prosecutions directed to pro-independence supporters. All while it drags deep on the ground its very long heels and pulls all the stops when it comes to prosecuting the real criminals hiding inside Scotland’s political fabric and civil service.

The union is why we have to watch serial leakers, perjurers, perverts and fraudsters escaping prosecution and enjoying even better paid sinecures rather than enjoying the comforts of HMP. All because both, Scotland’s prosecution service and the police are no longer fit for purpose having been morphed into political instruments to quash dissent.

If the police is incapable to find the culprit of the leak when those with access to the information must have been a couple of dozen at most, if that, then one has to question if the police in Scotland will ever be able to find anything at all that has not been included and detailed on a dossier handed down to them by the crown office.

And if they are so incompetent that they cannot find real criminals among a handful of suspects, one has to wonder if the real purpose of the “hate bill” might not be to give police and Prosecution Service something to hide their state sponsored incompetence behind and to distract the public from the fact the real criminals hiding in the political echelons of Scotland are being deliberately left to continue roaming free and laughing at us.

If we want all that nonsense to stop, we need the union to stop. We need the paws of the unelected representatives of the crown out of Scotland’s legislative and executive powers and we need the fangs of the crown office extracted from the jugular of Scotland’s prosecution service and police force.

Voting tory is never going to achieve that.

A few days ago I commented on how the motion to define women as biological adult females was defeated at the Labour Party conference by the affiliate vote of the trade unions and Left wing associations. In todays papers I saw that the same scenario was repeated in Wales for the election of the new leader of the Welsh branch of Labour, the Labour members voted for the losing candidate but the affiliate vote gave the result to the winning candidate with 51.7%

I suggest that people look at the current political leaders of Scotland, England, Eire, Wales and the mayor of London and see if they can spot a pattern. If the pattern was reversed in the likes of Pakistan or India the cluster of white leaders would probably be taken out by their own bodyguards within the space of a month, they just would not have it as a hostile colonial ruling class is a bad thing, isn’t it?

I suspect many seats in the next GE will play out like the Rutherglen and Hamilton West by-election, with any gains for the Red and Blue Tories caused by SNP voters not voting at all, if there is no Alba or other Independence candidate.

Poor Richmal Leotard, forgotten even by his own party. Mind you, picturing him as a future FM was always a bit of a stretch.

Twathater: you are talking shite. Alba do not support FreePorts.

Go and spread your lies somewhere else.

Like Vaughan Gething ( Welsh Dad), numerous Israeli leaders were born, or had parents from outwith Palestine.
Most (all?) 404 leaders were born in the USSR.
Was Barack O’Dronebomber born in the USA? Kenya claims him, though paternity.
Trump’s maw was Scottish.
Many Pakistani leaders started life in the British Raj.
Several of Rwanda’s leaders were born Belgian I assume, Zambia’s were Rhodesian.

0 out of 10 for political nous.

George Ferguson @ 19.26.

Ah yes, the £200,000 donation which Mr Drakeford says “Broke no rules”.

Election is a straight fight between SNP and Reality .

No Unionist Party n no kid-on Independence Party is getting my vote . They kin aw kiss ma #ENDTHEUNION .

( I’d vote for Reality , but it’s not standing in Scotland )

Alba isn’t doing enough to distinguish itself. It feels like they are holding back. Issues like Gaza and the war in the east are easy pickings for a party that wants to set itself apart.

Generally, they need to be more radical. They should be kicking up hell about the cost of living and the absurdity of people in an energy rich country like Scotland sitting cold through the winter.

A child could win those sort of arguments.

They seem to be waiting on the SNP meltdown, assuming that people will flock to Alba when they find out the truth about the SNP. That’s lazy and unrealistic unless they define themselves as a party that is willing to stand up to the MSM and actually put up a fight.

We don’t need or want another boring SNP.

Issues like Gaza and the war in the East are extraordinarily difficult for grown ups to deal with. Which is why they are not being dealt with particularly well by the grown ups currently in charge.

Alba could go the full Student Grant, to hats’ approval. They could claim they could stop the wars in 24 hours, channeling Trump. Maybes a few more Scots knuckle draggers would get on side to vote for them.

I’m confident the majority of sane, rational, sensible Scots would see it for what it is – hysterical howling against life’s unfairness by those whose intellectual development stalled at age 12.

The fundamental problem with reality deniers over the intractable issues of our age is that they destroy any credibility they may have when claiming to have the solution to simpler problems – energy prices, for example. 12 YO’s aren’t allowed to dispense fuel from petrol pumps for good reasons. Sane, rational, sensible Scots won’t put them in charge of our multi-billion pound national energy strategy either.

Soz, Hats.

I sympathise, I really do. You want to carpet bag the Indy movement for your pet projects, just like Yousaf. Tough shit.

Alba are a new party with all the baggage of previous SNP members. Including myself. I am supportive of an Independent Candidate standing as an Independence Candidate. But have chosen to align with a political party.Why?. Nobody has put up a rationale argument of the expenditure involved. It’s not just about losing your deposit but the ten grand plus you will lose at the same time. See Gething six figures folks and counting. From a dubious source. You are up against it standing as an Independent Candidate.

John Main, you lost the argument on Gaza. Even the US president seems to agree, although he is an incoherent old prick too. Nevertheless, 99% of the world agrees.

There was a chance for Alba to make political capital out of it — I mean, if you aren’t willing to take a stand against behaviour the ICJ says is plausibly genocide, what the fuck are you doing even talking about politics? — but they bottled it because they listened to the English MSM and halfwits like you.

The same is true of the war in the east. Halfwits like you fell for it hook, line, and sinker. Now half a million people are dead for nothing. In November, when Trump wins, you and all the other halfwits and the MSM will pretend you were against it all along (if you ever reluctantly discuss it, that is).

Ellis at least had the brains to fuck off when he realised he had screwed up, albeit with his tail between his legs (after I reminded him of his predictions from 2 years ago).

Pro-Brexit, anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, pro-war, pro-royals, pro-empire, etc., etc. — everything about you is ‘Made in Britain’. Is your real name Trevor?

Is there any party that isn’t a joke or a freak show anymore?

Or was it always so, we just didn’t get information so readily through the internet?

Politicians; Work failures and philanderers..

The SNP will lose between 10 and 20 seats at the next election. Alba will lose their two ‘borrowed’ seats, while the ISP/independents will lose their deposits.

Humza and the SNP will be gone come the election.

In priorly Conservative seats the logic of Conservatives ousting the SNP would appear to make sense. Similar situation in priorly Labour areas.

However, the party system is broken and broken utterly at that. Folks know that and for that reason and with underlying support for independence good independent candidates could sweep the board.

Scots want change.

However, given that the

@Christopher Pike 5.18am

All of that seems entirely likely. The question thereafter is whether what will be widely represented by the British nationalist media and establishment as a huge set back for Scottish nationalism and the cause of Scottish independence is reflected in any change is the current level of support for independence?

A Westminster election is not really a meaningful measurement, much as the yoons will make hay while the sun shines. However much some folk on here might froth about it, there are (sadly) all too many SNP loyalists out there who will still dutifully vote for them.

Lots of pro-independence voters – whichever party they support – won’t listen to the arguments here about abstaining. They know they’re not voting on independence at a Westminster General Election, they’re voting to try and influence the direction of the UK as a whole, however ineffectually.

Some will vote for who they always have voted for, others will simply stay at home (it’ll be interesting to see if turnout figures are lower than usual for a GE), a minority will use their vote as a protest by voting for someone they wouldn’t usually vote for, and some will spoil their ballots.

The real proof of the pudding will be what happens to SNP support and the % in favour of independence between the coming Westminster GE and the Holyrood elections in 2026.

Mia

Self-id for the Tories is same as abortion for the Democrats in the USA – an emotive issue that gets everybody worked into lather, but which they have no intention of resolving because then nobody would vote for them. The paedos are a wildcard, but the establishment has a good track record of covering up those little indiscretions, so it’s probably not going to be much of a problem.

The Hate Crime Bill will probably serve the SNP in the same way. That lets them prattle on about equality all day, every day and tar and feather anyone who suggests otherwise.

These are direct imports from the USA, so until the political system there is destroyed / remade, this is the future.

Where does Alba fit into this picture? It doesn’t.

@ TURABDIN on 17 March 2024 at 8:56 am

That deserves and needs to be archived. I notice the article was first published in November 2023 but i’ve never seen nor was even aware of this until now. Interesting and great find.

Thank you!

link to archive.is

Hats

If you ever feel competent and confident enough to debate about what I post, rather than what the voices in yer heid tell you I post, then fill yer boots.

Still no genocide, BTW. But you and your similarly hysterical click-baiters have devalued the word to such an extent that if a real genocide ever does start, people’s response will simply be “Yeah, whatever, old news”.

Just like you did with all the other words: fascist, n@zi, imperialist, colonialist; lazily hurled at anybody pointing out you’re spewing mince. Devalued and diluted into meaninglessness. Sacrificed on the altar of your narcissistic need to be in the right about everything.

Tak a wee bow tae yersel.

Mia 8:46

Do you really believe that the best way to change any of life’s situations in your favour is to hide in your room, sulking?

Maybes you do. Unlikely but defo possible.

But if you don’t, why on earth would you propose that policy for the political realm?

It’s daft. Soz.

STOKER 09:38
Yes it does. More than of just «historic» value.
Thanks.
Archive site can be difficult to access with me.

@TURABDIN 8:56

That’s an innarestin link.

Looking at the still from the series, published in the article, even I can see how today’s audiences would find the cast unattractive and ultimately repellant. Bet there’s not one moby between the lot of them.

The series needs to be re-made, with a diverse mix of ethnicities and orientations. Defo requires a feisty lesbian calling the shots, a brown second in command, most of the “normal”blokes to be thick as pig shit, plus some sub plots involving brave, trans, identity struggles.

As for a middle-aged, male, white Scottish politician pushing for Indy! Get real!

@Ruby 10:53

It was bad of Mia to post that, but it’s worse of you to re-post.

Keep it clean.

@Ruby;

“We don’t actually send a government to Westminster.”

We have never sent a government to Westminster! And without major reform, we never will!

That’s another one of Scotland’s serious democratic deficits (of which there are quite a few); only parties composed primarily of England’s MPs can ever become a party of government in Westminster, because only England’s MPs are numerous enough to allow a party to achieve the absolute or near absolute majority of seats required to form a government. Thus, UK governments are always fundamentally English governments.

In a Union consisting of two equally sovereign kingdoms, it is a constitutional and democratic disgrace that only one of those sovereign kingdoms ever gets to wield their sovereignty, and does so even over the other sovereign kingdom despite lacking legitimate formal authority to do so, and that other isn’t even permitted to defend their own sovereign kingdom’s interests from them.

John Main @10.13pm.

A better system, tell that to Assange and his wife, Assange is held in an English maximum security prison without charge, he’s a political prison and the extradition treaty between the UK and the Great Satan (US) forbids the extradition of such persons to the (US), however that doesn’t matter when the corrupt English judicial system is out to facilitate your extradition for the benefit of the Great Satan.

Craig Murray fears a fit up just like Alex Salmond’s, Murray has already been sent to prison in a kangaroo court in a juryless trial where he wasn’t even allowed to submit some evidence in his defence, he’s the only person EVER to have been imprisoned for Jigsaw Identification on the opinion of a judge without a jury.

Of course several MSM journalists DID name some of the Alphabet women but they being compliant puppets faced no charges at all.

The likes of Mark Hirst and David Llewellyn have also come under their crosshairs and suffered great inconveniences from the authorities without a shred of evidence to justify it.

On the international scene the likes of Kit Klarenberg has fell foul to their impositions when he was detained by the UK Counter Terrorist at a UK airport where he had his electronic equipment seized (as did Murray) and you MUST answer all questions they ask you.

The UK a democracy, don’t make me laugh.

Voting a unionist to get rid of another unionist does not seem like progress. It seems like running in circles and getting nowhere.

Precisely. Same analogy as Westminster holding both ends of the string. Same analogy as Tory and Labour being two cheeks of the same arse. It’s all the same, and it’s always all the same.

Scotland’s political landscape is kept entirely inside the same sandbox, and we all participate in the gerrymandered illusion of democracy time and time again, with the charade underpinned by endless indoctrination, propaganda and wilful disinformation which we never grow wise to.

Reject Holyrood, impeach the damned thing, reject the colonial and intrusive Scotland Act, reject Westminster, and throw to the ground the “gift” of democracy which Westminster gives us. Assemble as Scots under the Constructional banner of sovereign Scottish democracy, and expel all foreign and unconstitutional interference in Scotland’s constitutional affairs.

Then, and only then, do we venture beyond the confines of our sandbox.

Then, and only then, are we one step closer to Independence.

Then, and only then, will we rid ourselves of these risible charlatans, scoundrels and parasites masquerading as Scotland’s “government”. The are puppets of Westminster aiding and abetting the usurpation of Scotland’s Constitutional integrity. Fk em all.

After having a further think about this, if we consider Rev’s suggestion that the Hollywood establishment is quietly geering up for the prospect of an SNP Labour coalition to be true, then this makes sense.

By choosing to make the SNPs election retoric focus about attacking the Tories, it would make an SNP/Labour coalition less presentationally tricky if there are less quotes attacking labour for him to be reminded of once the campaign is over and government formation begins.

@Republicofscotland 17 March, 2024 at 11:29 am

You’re mostly right about Assange, although your usual OTT rantings about Great Satans isn’t helping.

As for CM, it was a wee, pretendy Scottish kangaroo court that imprisoned him. A court democratically legitimised by the votes of plenty of us Scots. Almost certainly some votes from you, too.

Because CM was right about AS, that doesn’t make him right when he freely chooses to post pro-Hamas statements.

I’m sure that the usual suspects who see Pres Poot as a mild and reasonable worker for peace, see Hamas as a benign and civilised organisation dedicated to the health and well-being of the Palestinian people. That’s fine, people will see what they choose to see.

I would like CM to return to the UK, where Hamas is a proscribed, terrorist organisation, and justify his support for the Hamas murderers, torturers, rapists and kidnappers in front of the TV cameras. I would like him to explain why he believes that no total of collateral innocent Palestinian civilian casualties is too high a price to pay for the elimination of Israel and the extermination of the Jews.

I think all this stuff needs to be given the full oxygen of publicity under the glare of the mid-day sun.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

“We don’t actually send a government to Westminster.”

Was in response to the following from Mia.

What do you mean “no hate bill”? The hate bill was passed by Holyrood and received the royal assent. Sending a tory government to Westminster is not going to change that.

I’m not too sure that a Tory Gov won’t stop ‘The Hate Crime Bill’.

Is it compatible with ‘UK Law’ Could we see Alistair Jack issuing another Section 35?

It appears you can live in England post something on the internet and if it is read in Scotland then you could be charged under ‘Humza’s Hate Crime Bill’

Not too sure how this would work. Would police Scotland pass it onto the Met for example to deal with or would that person have to be extradited?

This would also apply to people all over the world.
They would have to be extradited or maybe Police Scotland would wait until they came on holiday to Scotland to arrest them.

I can see tourist numbers dropping dramatically.

@Livonian 11.48am

If the SNP – or whatever shambolic wreckage of a party is left post GE – is mad enough to go in to coalition with a unionist party, it will deserve everything it gets. Doubtless the rump Nicophants and candy floss haired TRA’s left in the party will justify it to themselves, but it’s likely to be an existential mistake on their part.

The aim of anyone really interested in achieving independence in a reasonable timescale should be not just the defeat of the SNP, but its annihilation. We need to do to the SNP what the Irish did to the IPP in 1918.

Debates about whether it’s worth voting in a Westminster GE, or making a protest vote, or spoiling your ballot may be entertaining but in the end they signify nothing because the only scenario in which the result of that election advances the cause of independence is one which hastens the demise of the SNP as a political force.

ISP
ALBA
or
#EndTheUnion

“I’m not sure there’s much mileage in Alba adopting policies that don’t appeal to the majority of voters.”

And that’s why you’re a failure when it comes to politics, Andy. Because as long as you aren’t sure and do nothing to make the case, there never will be “mileage” or success.

The central premise common to marketing, public relations, propaganda, education, psychology, and a range of other information-oriented fields, including politics, is that you can influence and change opinion. Quite a lot follows from that basic premise.

Anyway, Alba is finished if it just sits waiting on events to unfold in its favour. Issues like Gaza and the cost of living crisis should have been golden opportunities to make a splash, win media attention and support, but instead we got IM Jolly.

Maybe Tommy Sheridan should be given a more strategic role — he knows how to ‘bring it’. Everybody is sick of politicians, they all seem to be either grifters on the make or middle class wankers looking for attention, so it’s a good time for someone genuine like Sheridan to step up.

Andy Ellis
Ignored
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17 March, 2024 at 11:37 am

I don’t appreciate being given a lecture particularly not from someone I’m not sure knows what they are talking about.

Truly, there are just not enough LOLZ in the world to describe the sight of two intellectually bald people fighting over a comb.

Being that you are on probation you should take care Andy unless you want to be banned again.

I don’t usual clype to Stu but I might decide to if you don’t behave.

I know you hate me and can’t resist any opportunity to personally abuse me but you really have to control that monster.

CONTROL THAT HATE MONSTER ANDY

Andy Ellis
Ignored says:
17 March, 2024 at 8:50 am
@Christopher Pike 5.18am

All of that seems entirely likely. The question thereafter is whether what will be widely represented by the British nationalist media and establishment as a huge set back for Scottish nationalism and the cause of Scottish independence is reflected in any change is the current level of support for independence?

A Westminster election is not really a meaningful measurement, much as the yoons will make hay while the sun shines. However much some folk on here might froth about it, there are (sadly) all too many SNP loyalists out there who will still dutifully vote for them.

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I respect you as one of the few sane commentators on this site. Unfortunately, for independence supporters, the constitutional question is not a live issue at the moment.

Independence requires international recognition and that recognition will not come about unless the UK accepts the result of a democratic vote – which I don’t believe the pro-independence side is currently capable of winning at the moment.

I suspect if a vote were held tomorrow, NO would win cira 53/47.

So it’s a “straight fight” is it? Not very inclusive. Surely a risky choice of words with a hate crime act coming soon.

The recent vote to end Tic Tok in the US, unless it is sold off to ‘acceptable’ interests, illustrates what is really going on.

Ch1na is a scapegoat.
The actual reason is that Zionism is not selling well with Gen Z who use Tic Tok.
Tic Tok must be compulsory purchased, to close down open debate on issues such as Gaza.

Jonathan Greenblatt, Director of the ADL, explains
link to twitter.com

“Because CM was right about AS, that doesn’t make him right when he freely chooses to post pro-Hamas statements.”

John Main.

Just because Hamas is proscribed in the UK doesn’t mean its proscribed in every country, remember one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

As for YouCraine its all most all over, even with Nato troops fighting in the country the Neeo-Natzi’s are losing badly, Macron’s recent outburst on the matter only confirmed what most folk who pay attention know.

Some western nations may be delivering aid to the Palestinians but their leaders are still too gutless to push hard for a ceasefire so the genocide continues.

On Assange, the UN talks a good game but that it cash is king.

link to craigmurray.org.uk

#AskAndy.

What does the term ‘fluffer’ mean?

Can you give me an example in a sentence containing the words Andy Ellis and John Main.

Hatuey @ 2:29 pm

“People need to think about what “occupation” as in “occupied territories” actually means.”

Quite so. ‘Occupation’ means that the places where we live are increasingly and ultimately utterly altered by people from another dominant culture coming from elsewhere. Most of our public sector institutions are run by them, our industries controlled by them, and all hold only to their ideology and values. We increasingly hear only their voices at the supermarket checkout, in the street, and on the bus and train, as well as on the TV and radio.

For any colonised people and occupied territory you are quite wrong to say that “The good news is to be found in demographic trends.” For the reality of any occupied territory must be that the prevailing democratic trends are never good news.

An idea we can all [well not Unionists, obv] get behind – ask the Rev to stand in the General Election as an Independent for Independence.

He did talk of starting his own party at one time. Standing as himself would be simpler than that. He would get a lot of support and attention from Yes world thus boosting support for the other Independents for Independence [I4I].

What we need is highly intelligent, energetic, and principled folk who are desperate for Scotland to be independent. The Rev is super-qualified in all these qualities.

Come on everyone. Show your support for this idea.

Olympic standard synchronised fluffing there from mssrs Pike and Ellis.

“Patsy Millar
Ignored says:
16 March, 2024 at 3:06 pm
Interestingly my SNP MP has started a crowdfunder for the next election..”

It seems the SNP received only £76,000 in donations in 2023, including one gift of £50,000.

It wouldn’t surprise me one little bit if a Labour or an SNP supporter stole the poster, as for Alba calling for ferries to be built in Scotland they haven’t a hope in hell under the current SNP, the ones that they have had built and I use the word built very loosely are years late and million over budget, as Christ knows who had their palms greased along the way by the taxpayer.

“ALBA have claimed a campaign poster calling for Scotland’s ferries to be built in Scotland has been stolen just a few days after being put up near the Ferguson Marine shipyard.

The party’s general secretary Chris McEleny has raised concerns the large poster – attached to a tree with cable ties – may have been removed by Labour-run Inverclyde Council and has written to bosses to see if this is the case.

Alba are campaigning to demand that the Scottish Government directly award future ferry contracts to the shipyard in Port Glasgow.

The shipyard was taken into public ownership four years ago after its financial collapse following long delays and mounting costs over the delivery of two ferries, the Glen Sannox and Glen Rosa.”

Given this – …. 1.6% South Asian and 1% “other” Asian,….. ”

How can this be accurate – ” …. that if only Scots Asians had the vote we’d already be independent. ” ? ( What does that even mean ? surely Scots Asians DID have the vote )

From Scotland’s Census @ ScotGov

” 2.7% of Scotland’s population identified as Asian, Asian Scottish or Asian British. This was about 141,000 people, split between: 50,000 people who identified as ‘Pakistani’ , 34,000 people who identified as ‘Chinese’ , 33,000 people who identified as ‘Indian’ , 21,000 people who identified as ‘Other’
4,000 people who identified as ‘Bangladeshi’ ”

The YES/NO vote was 1,617,989 for Yes and 2,001,926 for No. So , even if that entire 141,000 had voted YES , the overall result would have been the same .

That figure of 141,000 seems wildly underestimated , granted it’s from 2011 , ergo.. will be well out of date .

What does it tell us then , that the leaders of the two main Parties in Scotland come from such proportionally tiny demographics and were * unable * to produce leaders more reflective of the overwhelming majority of Scottish residents ?

Surely no one would claim it was because those two drongoes were the best men for the job .

Another instance of spurious * Progressive/Inclusive * values ( LOL ) taking precedence over that almost completely obscured value ..ie ..ability .

” Trans ” FM by 2040 ? If one such candidate was – or claimed to be – Uk rainian they’d be a shoe-in .

I’m spoiling my ballot. Like I spoiled my ballot at the last council elections.

I want to vote for Independence. I’ll never vote tory. Or tactically vote for a unionist party to oust the unionist SNP.

Humza has ignored Alex Salmond on making the election a vote for Independence – removing the party and all of their damage from the central vote.

He’s rubbished the defacto referendum tactic.

He’s sticking with the SNPs stronger for Scotland voice. He’s not stronger for Scotland – when he’s letting Grangemouth shut down.

He’s not stronger for Scotland. When he labels 92 per cent of the population as islamaphobic. He’s not stronger for Scotland by turning us into a pariah state like Russia. With the Hate Crime Bill and Lady Dorian’s – “doing nothing is not an option.” HORSESHIT attack on juries and freedom in our country.

He’s following Ireland. With their Hate Crime Brill. But the Irish have had enough. We’re full. They are saying. And I support them with every fibre of my being. We’re full. And its time to remove our woke false minister, and heroin dealing brother in law from poisoning the natives.

Lastly. I’m going to enjoy seeing them squirm. Knowing that they are about to lose a near £100,000 salary plus expenses.

Nothing sweeter than knowing the SNP politicians are going to be made unemployed. They’ll have to move out of Scotland to find work. Like Ian Blackford. Who wants to live in his London Love nest. With his – older model girlfriend – having traded in his wife for a black carrier bin bag.

We’ve got to destroy the SNP. For the nationalist cause.

My suggestion was posted 2 hours ago that Wingers give their support to the idea of the Rev standing as an Independent for Independence.

No comments on the idea at all as yet. I am surprised given the comments over the years by Wingers in favour of the Rev’s abilities.

It looks like there’s NO levels to which the IDF won’t stoop to.

link to scheerpost.com

School attacks now ?!?! Where?

Genocide John. Put some water in it.

@John Main 6.42pm

I guarantee that the number of Scots who share RoS’ worldview is vanishingly small. How many people in most folks ordinary day to day life would come out with fringe nutterdom of that type?

I see his allegiance to Alba also appears to have wavered: I imagine that’ll be something of a relief to the party, although whether he was actually a supporter or member seems open to some debate. Ah hae ma doots as our Scots speaking friends would say.

Of course every polity has it’s leavening of types like RoS: they’re the vociferous odd balls on the fringes that nobody really takes remotely seriously, until they are installed to rule over the lumpen proletariat when a country is taken over, the equivalent of the old communists like Ulbricht in the GDR or Gomulka in Poland.

Perfect timing Ruby, just as Ellis arrives to fluff Genocide John.

It’s the secret of good comedy.

Andy Ellis @ 4:22 pm

“the idea that a people can’t achieve independence when they represent >80% of the population, and many of the non-natives are pro-independence, says a lot more about our collective lack of political cojones than it does about us being “doun hauden”.”

Your latter point, as you rightly imply, is not simply a question of occupation, Andy; however, it is certainly to do with the ‘colonial mindset’ of a people, which is another serious consequence of colonialism an oppressed people remain subject to:

link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

Ellis: “Tommy Sheridan is an impressive speaker, but the idea that he or his politics has the kind of general appeal to take us over the line…”

It’s precisely because grifters like you don’t agree with his politics that he’s probably the best man for the job.

Do you think your politics have broad appeal? Jesus.

I’m probably the closest thing you’ve got to someone that likes seeing you commenting, Andy. In fact, your presence fills me with confidence… I know I’m not the most annoying plank in the room as long as you are here…

Anyway, seriously, I’m not that concerned about Alba or independence. The average man in the street doesn’t seem to give a fuck, so why should I?

If the SNP gets wiped out and turned to dust, I’ll be content. That’s about it. What happens after that is anyone’s guess…

@Hatuey 7.40pm

I’m not sure why you’d consider me a grifter. Perhaps it’s just because you don’t know what the word really means? That wouldn’t surprise me to be honest. It’s self evident the views I’m espousing, rather than those of the fringe nutters who sadly infest much of the BTL discourse in here, have broader appeal than those of the usual suspects.

I doubt you’re any more representative of “the room” than you are of the public at large.

Perhaps you’re right that the average Scot isn’t that concerned with independence at this point in the political cycle. They’re certainly not supporting Alba, the ISP or RISE type politics in any significant numbers either.

As others including Rev Stu have pointed out there’s really SFA going on in Scottish politics right now. We’re all playing a waiting game to see how the cards fall after the Westminster GE.

I’ll be content if the SNP get wiped out too: one of the few things we may agree on. Indeed I suspect many in here could rally around that, even if on little else.

The trouble is Hats, you’re going to need more than those listening to Tommy, or the usual suspects in here, to reach the sunny uplands of independence.

It isn’t politics like mine that’s a clear and present danger to reaching the goal.

“I guarantee that the number of Scots who share RoS’ worldview is vanishingly small.”

On the contrary I’m pretty sure the majority of the world’s population agree with me on Israel committing genocide and the need for an immediate ceasefire.

So according to a late February poll 72 percent of French people are dissatisfied with France’s current premier Emmanuel Macron, such a high figure hasn’t been seen in France since Francios Hollande (French President) decided to illegally intervene in Syria.

Of course now that French colonial troops have been all but booted out of the Sahel, Macron has an abundance of troops standing by that aren’t deployed and making money for French businesses.

This is why Macron has been shooting his mouth off about France going to war (openly) with Russia, when a PM or President is in trouble in the polls a war is often fabricated to turn heads away from the failings of that person and into nationalism and support for the conflict.

“Hamas could always release some or all of the remaining hostages as they did earlier in the conflict.”

Andy Ellis.

Israel has killed more of the hostages than Hamas via its Hannibal Directive, also if the Israeli’s/Zionists hadn’t caused the conflict to begin with (1948) we wouldn’t be discussing it right now, it could all be settled if the Zionists removed themselves from the Palestinians lands.

You seem to be under the impression that Hamas/Palestinians don’t have the right to take back what is rightfully theirs (backed by UN resolutions) even if it means armed conflict.

“I doubt the majority accept the conflict represents genocide, certainly nobody who cares about the real meaning of words”

Oh its certainly genocide that’s for sure the Zionist have at the very least broken sub articles (B) and (C) of Article (2) of the Genocide Convention. You don’t care what the words mean but other do, and the Zionists certainly do, they wheeled them out enough post-WWII, and are still calling anyone that shows them up for what they are doing in Gaza as anti-Semitic.

link to en.wikipedia.org

Main fluffs Ellis.
And then manages to brown nose himself.

“Oh well. I may continue to keep up the useful function of being a rational, facts-based, reality-grounded figure on here. “

Impressive.

Still can’t locate that school massacre.
You never go full Zionist

@RoS 8:56

If you believe 1948 justifies slaughtering kids who weren’t even born 50 years on in 1998, just be happy in your tiny twisted sick nihilist minority. And please, pretty please, stay there and well away from decent Scots fowk.

But at least show some compassion for the Israelis. African civilians with looted table cutlery did a vastly superior genocide in Rwanda. In comparison, the Israelis suck at it.

As genocidists, they’re pathetic. The Palestinians have much to be grateful for. Hamas too, as they skulk in their tunnels, hostages all around, their women and kids, hospitals and kindergartens strategically placed between them and the “nasty”, hopeless Jews.

Watch the SNP 2024 National Campaign Council on youtube.

They were debating and it sounds like rejected the idea of an Independence assembly. From 1 hour and 43 minutes into the video.

Two woke looking queer hawks said “Scotland is not Switzerland” so we can’t have “direct democracy.”

And another sneering, specky faced political nark said that She doesn’t want a people’s assembly because of “BOATY McBOATFACE.”

And that “the public often chose humour over serious discussion. And my worry here is that unrestricted topic choice will lead to discussions which are not the best use of parliamentary time.”

The SNP are sabotaging all moves towards independence. Sabotaged again. Sabotaged. By these clearly autistic and handmaiden types.

Shockingly before this was debated. They debated intersex healthcare.

These people are total fuck wits. They make me sick and despise them.

FAKE NATIONALISTS. FAKE PEOPLE.

I just watched the whole thing. The party voted against the remit back. They were lead by Angela Constance. She spoon fed them the answers.

No citizens assembly. Not important to the SNP. They don’t have to do any work.

Sickening. Absolutely sickening. Wings should do a number on that. Terrible.

My hovercraft is full of eels.

Sarah

Who are the real Wingers and who are the distraction brigade?

Tricky questions.

Real Wingers would be standing themselves. Real Wingers would be convinced that they had all the answers, and that these answers resonated with the majority of Scottish voters.

Real Wingers would know that with everything in the bag, they would be a shoe-in for their constituency, so would already be discussing and clarifying their policies, fine tuning them in consultation with the Wings BTL Indy gurus, ready to hit the ground running on Day 1 of their time in office.

Soz, Sarah, even I can’t keep this brain fart up with a straight face any longer 🙂

Running a country, hopefully improving things as you go along, is several orders of magnitude more difficult than posting on here. Look elsewhere for the calibre of people you need. It’s axiomatic that anybody with the ability to make a go of serious shit in the real world won’t be wasting time on Wings BTL.

As Rev Stu rarely ventures BTL, that doesn’t rule him out, BTW.

Mein Luftkissenfarzeug ist voller Alle – auch.

“My hovercraft is full of eels.”
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“Mein Luftkissenfarzeug ist voller Alle – auch.” 🙂
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I couldn’t resist.. 🙂

“Auch mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist volle Aale..!”

Hatuey

Better voters? Perhaps. In the pat, the general idea in a democracy is that every few years the populace shows up at predesignated locations and gets to choose the direction the country is headed in. Today, what’s the point of doing that?

If you look at poor old Greece or (to a much lesser extent) Hungary the ability of the populace to decide the country’s future is pretty much gone.

Democracy in a globalised world is just a fig leaf of respectability covering up the reality that you do what your told or there will be consequences.

I’d like to live under the rule of the Royal Family of the United Arab Emirates.
They look so well after their own people who have a great standard of living.
They also invest in the future by ensuring the country is a global business centre, major transport hub and a tourist attraction.
Virtually Crime and Tax Free I’d be willing to give that alternative society a fair go.
Instead of blaming foreigners they operate very successfully with 90% of the residents coming from other lands.

No I don’t want a Putin leader who has made everything about Putin and his henchmen.

Can you imagine a country where the people who get into power are the ones with the biggest lies and authority swaps every few years between only 2 factions.
They control all the newspapers, radio and TV stations, redrawn constituency boundaries in their favour, who give all government contracts to family, friends and donors.

Don’t imagine it just look at Westminster.