Wings Over Scotland

perfect!!!

Excellent cartoon. The splattering mess, when it comes will hit Eng;land hard.

Many in the media have not noticed the changes happening in Scotland AND N.Ireland.

England will get it’s racist bigotted small-minded brexit, but it will lose Scotland and N.Ireland. Judging by their attitude however, it seems most in England, couldn’t give a flying f***, if that is what happens. Good. Staying ruled by these English racist bigots would be intolerable.

Independence is now the ONLY route.

Now it is over to the SNP. They now have the mandates of mandates for independence. Time to put up or shut up. I lent them my support in the run up to the election and on polling day, and I want action. Not in a year, not in a ‘few months’, but NOW.

So, let’s see. Is NS up to it? Or were her promises like those of Johnson, the clown prime minister? No more excuses. No more procastination. The whole freaking world, and especially the EU, is watching.

We are watching and waiting.

Brilliant!

Just look at that big dod of Boris.

The time to gamble will soon be upon us. To add to this fan distributing shit the timing needs to be spot on – when the path ahead is clear that BJ will deny a Section 30 (for sure) – we recall 48 MPs to Scotland for the remainder of the 5 year term and launch the legal battle.

This will be the ‘raising the head’ moment we have been waiting for.

Then, with a Wings Party mopping up List Votes in 2021 – London Power will be forced to concede, not least because we will have completely worn down the good people of England – just like Brexit did.

Let’s learn from our opponents weaknesses and exploit them.

The rebellious Scots to marginalize…i
Not we trust on Nicola Sturgeon’s watch. The Johnson tectonic shift occurred in England. The consolidation around a renewed sense of a one nation English identity, effectively a retro view English nationalism, is our opportunity. Possessing the nous, the skill, the chutzpah to exploit that opportunity is ours.
The path is clear for the nationalist bulldozers. We need drivers with ‘devil may care’ political bravura. Bring on superhero Sturgeon?
This struggle is now personal.

I am borrowing from Trump supporters when I get down on my knees and pray to the Lord Jesus.

“Dear Jesus we ask you to forgive our southern brethren. They know not what they do.”

And then switch to Style of Robert Burns in Holly Willy Whatsit and in the voice of that well known snake oil salesman Jaxon Carsales.

“Lord for me and mone save us your loved ones etc etc we didnae ken.

WELL YE KEN NOO !

That’s the one good thing about the Tory triumph , they will have to own every mess and piece of crap that is coming at them.

All those countries and folk that they have treated with casual racism , arrogance and ignorance must be salivating at the thought of payback time.

Now that’s some image. You’re a brave man, chris, to even think of having to draw that. It”s a belter.

Yeh once the complicit toadying media hype vanishes, here is another timeless stark reality: Matthew 7:15-20 !!!

We’ve been here before.

Is that one of The Donald’s excretions?
He’s got a trade deal lined up, an offer London can’t refuse, and I mean can’t.
The globe is heading for a three way economic split, & we happened to be in, and live next to the least oppressive block.
Expect no sentimental treatment from the ‘special relationship ‘, it’s business.
Airstrip 1 here we come, no idea if it’s Eurasia we’re at war with first, but Auntie will let us know nearer the time.

Ooh, that’s a stinker!

To ever so slightly paraphrase Reggie Watts.

You take some shit, put it up on the wall, check it out for a while
You take that shit, up off of the wall, put it down on the floor, in a glass bowl
You take some fuck, put it up on the wall, where the shit used to be
You take that fuck, up off of the wall, put it down on the floor, with the shit in a glass bowl
What? Yo! Here’s another little piece of advice
You take some fuck, then some shit, then some fuck, then some shit
You got a fuck shit stack, a fuck shit stack
You take some fuck, then some shit, then some fuck, then some shit
You got a fuck shit stack, a fuck shit stack
It’s a stack of fuck shit on top of itself Boris

Perfectly created Chris, and funny too.

Fine art indeed.

Destined for the National Gallery of a soon to be independent Scotland I would proffer.

That’s excellent.

This is one of those watershed moments when the waverers will have to reassess – the Union of Boris or EU? The numbers couldn’t be any better, and I’m very sure SNP have war gamed Boris refusing the S30, so they are ready for what’s ahead.

We KNOW we are being dragged out of EU for sure now, and we only have a few months of transition to organise, so Scotgov needs to keep up relentless pressure now.

I think we will be getting a walk out of our 48 too, at a crucial point, to underline our futile, doomed relationship.

Meanwhile, we can spectate Labour imploding.

Early Christmas, right enough.

@Liz g – re Salmond & Soubry – it was an episode of Marr – not sure of when, I think it was post 2015 when Eck was back in the HoC. I just thought she looked childish doing that, but that aside, she was less disagreeable than many of the tories.

Genius Chris.
Nice One.

Dearie me – I wish could get that image out of my head. But a perfect pictorial pun for our times.

Valerie @ 10:05:

This is one of those watershed moments when the waverers will have to reassess

Yes, absolutely. It’s crunch time now.

Since it appears that BoZo’s waffle about “one nation” is a hint of an intention to impose English nationalism on we poor unfortunates who aren’t naturally blessed by it, and since this is backed up by his evident intent to also curtail the constitutional power of the judiciary, thereby (incidentally or not) locking Scotland out of a clean exit path, we had better get an urgent move on now before he has much opportunity to deploy all these extra powers he’ll be getting.

I don’t know whether he (and Cummings) are simply addicted to high-stakes gambling, or if he really is a pig-ignorant English exceptionalist (a proud tradition). but he’s really going to be playing with constitutional fire (or something else, apropos Chris’s cartoon) if he takes on the power of the Scots legal establishment, Scots Law being one of the other pillars besides free trade guaranteed by the Treaty of Union.

Yes, there’s a lot of people going to have their fond illusions about their position in society challenged in the near future, so we had better get started right now. Events are in motion and we can’t afford to delay or we will simply be overtaken (and overwhelmed) by those created by others.

Get Brexit Dung!

Johnson made it clear that the so-called “United” Kingdom is now irrevocably divided – his “one nation” speech consciously and deliberately encompassed only the west of Wales to the east of England and the north of England to the south of England. Scotland and Northern Ireland were consciously and deliberately excluded.

This needs to be picked up by the Yes movement and hammered home at every opportunity – someone with the ability to do a video with graphics of his speech with the map of the “United” Kingdom’ one nation being delineated as he speaks?

If those forty-eight SNP MPs take their seats at Westminster, to my mind that will only legitimate the status-quo that we all say we reject and take us absolutely nowhere. Legalists, gradualists and those of a timid-disposition need only check the Parliamentary arithmetic to see the futility of engaging in business-as-usual.

Was it only me who noticed a certain “edge” to the questions being put to the SNP rep from the audience on last-night’s Question Time? *Could an Independent Scotland support itself?” FFF!

Clapper57 @ 11:19,

Yes, why vote for the monkey when you can vote for the organ grinder? Obvious really.

Labour went seriously awry by thinking it could face both ways, and all it did was please neither side. (A lesson which the SNP leadership thankfully learnt and understood, despite some siren voices to the contrary, including some on here.) You never beat reactionary attitudes by seeking to appease them. All that achieves is to validate their extremes and provide a later rod for your own back. If you have to lose, better to go down fighting for real principles (and not FibDem non-ones). You might then even surprise yourself by not losing at all.

Jackson Carlaw. =sigh= The Tories are going to get a lot of sprained backs from all those goalposts they keep moving. Totally pathetic. (Reminds me of that scene in Les vacances de M. Hulot near the start where people have to rush to keep changing platforms as the announcements keep changing. It’s funny in the film, and just as laughable in real life.)

We need more Bernard Ponsonby-style mettle from the media over their absurd antics.

Josef Ó Luain @ 11:21,

I think that inevitable question can and should be directly tackled without faffing-around by simply responding: “How could a country like Scotland possibly not prosper? What makes you even doubt it? Just look around you at all the Scotland-sized European countries, and see that they are all doing quite nicely, thank-you-very-much. And they don’t even have a fraction of our natural resources. The only thing that’s wrong with Scotland is that it’s been managed for far too long by far-off don’t-care incompetents in London.”

Adam Tompkins thinks Boris ‘I spread my seed widely’ Johnson is now going to see off Nicola Sturgeon. Well he only has to increase the number of Tory seats by around 40%, let’s see how he goes. This is a man that was too much of a coward to debate with her as it would have exposed his ineptitude, only wanted to debate with men he found inferior. Fits into to his MO, racist, bigoted, lying, do we need to add misogynist to the list, you may think so I couldn’t possibly comment.

jfngw @ 11:54,

I think he may be making the biggest mistake of his shambolic career if he assumes in his exceptionalist-chauvinist way that he can easily deal with “the wee wumman” by simply ignoring and talking over her.

Because “the nippy sweetie” represents us all. And we’re no longer prepared to be talked over. Not least our womenfolk.

jfngw @ 11.54

You missed out bullying, corrupt and criminal.

The unionist move the goalposts every time the last red line is breached. First it was there needs to be majority of MSP’s, once breached it then became a majority of SNP MSP’s, now it has moved onto more than 50% of the votes cast. Once this is breached it will move onto more then 67% of the votes cast, if this is breached it will become a percentage of the total on the electoral role.

Whatever the circumstances they will move the criteria if the last one is breached. It’s time to stop playing their game, we decide what the criteria is and once achieved we declare independence.

I’ll say this though, Johnson talks a good game and is very convincing in the way he says things. I’m willing to give him a chance and see if he really is different prom previous PMs.

I still want independence and action from NS and the SNP to achieve it though.

All I can say about Boris Johnson is, if he does not give Scotland at least the opportunity to have a say on whether or not we want to be dragged out of the EU with him, then fuck him.

Bojo – I like to keep things simple…

Would you employ him in your own personal business?

Would you trust him with overall responsibility with your bank account?

Would you trust him on a night out with your misses?

would you let him and his lawyer write your Will for you and keep it in confidence?

would you fuck. Simple.

Need to remind every tory talking about not having 50% of vote that snp have higher percentage than Boris and if some people in Scotland ‘lent’ their vote to snp many, many more in England lent theirs to tories. So if we don’t have a mandate then neither do they.

It cannot be denied however that the conservative branch office in Scotland ran on one platform No to indy2 and thoroughly lost – as someone above says they will just keep changing the goal posts – there is no honour or honesty in any one of them. They have nothing left to defend the union with – the argument is lost and they know it so they have to play dirty as usual.

Therefore we have to be even more determined than ever and stand up and be counted.

jfngw says

The unionist move the goalposts every time the last red line is breached.
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Aye! Soon it will be but…but!…60% of Scots buy ‘British beef’ wie the union jack on the wrapper…so no independence for you’s 🙂

PS:
Windows update last night..FGS!
All my Calvin and Hobes themes deleted and a microsoft umbrellas montage in it’s place and all my tabs coloured blue.

Little tab appeared there asking me please let microsoft get access to your screen camera. (which is always switched off) 🙂

Search Engine list now got ‘Bing’ back in again. 🙁

Away into the gubbins to do some rooting around.

I may be gone for some time! Technology.

jfngw says:
14 December, 2019 at 12:02 pm
All we need now is the EU to state they would accept Scotland as the successor state and be accepted to push a few more to Yes…

Scotland would not be a successor state. The UK is a Union of Constitutional equals! Thus when the Union ceases to exist, Scotland and England will revert to being Constitutional equals.

The perception that Scotland would be any the lesser status than England is wrong, although Westminster would like to assert that England would be a Continuer State, and Scotland would be the successor, it is constitutionally unsound. We will separate as equals, and nothing short of Constitutional equals.

ahundredthidiot @ 14 December, 2019 at 12:27 pm

Would you trust him on a night out with your misses?

You couldn’t trust him with your daughter, mother or grandmother 🙂

callmedave says 14 December, 2019 at 12:37 pm

Windows update last night..FGS!
All my Calvin and Hobes themes deleted and a microsoft umbrellas montage in it’s place and all my tabs coloured blue.

Little tab appeared there asking me please let microsoft get access to your screen camera. (which is always switched off) ?

Search Engine list now got ‘Bing’ back in again. ?

Away into the gubbins to do some rooting around.

I may be gone for some time! Technology.

Switch to Linux. You know it makes sense 🙂

PacMan @:48,

Snap!

winifred mccartney says:
14 December, 2019 at 12:30 pm
Need to remind every tory talking about not having 50% of vote that snp have higher percentage than Boris and if some people in Scotland ‘lent’ their vote to snp many, many more in England lent theirs to tories. ….

I want to remind folks that Scotland’s Constitutional Sovereignty is a definitive legal status, unalterable by ephemeral democratic mandates. Our voting No in 2014 was every inch as sovereign as a YES would have been.

We do not need any ‘mandate’ to be sovereign, nor to become sovereign, we ARE sovereign.

“I’m willing to give him a chance and see if he really is different prom previous PMs.”

Hmm….someones clearly forgotten about a certain poem that Johnson lauded, which involved exterminating Scots, and forcing the remaining ones into ghettos.

Don’t be fooled his words.

Where is *the country* it’s not where we are because we are Scotland and that’s not in *the country*
Today the Prime Minister is touring *the North* of *the country* says the news, but that North is not Scotland because we’re not in the North, somewhere in England is the North, again because we’re Scotland and according to everyone in the political sphere and media Scotland is, well Scotland and Scotland as a place doesn’t appear to be anywhere until it’s a separate place

Scotland, a place to demonise with people in it to demonise with politicians to ridicule or accuse of theft or to fear,
especially our choice of leader who isn’t tall enough to be a proper leader, a woman, and she wears shoes

It’s not only men who have a serious problem with women leaders, women have a problem with them too because a thousand years haven’t passed quickly enough so that brain evolution can catch up with people who still think politicians should be tall Englishmen in suits

The time has now come for the politics of England to erase Scotland without anybody noticing (in England that is) and they do that by making Scotland invisible on the telly, we’ve seen them do it time and time again but will they manage it this time, I don’t think so because the wee annoying woman who’s got the big job in Scotland, like Scottish women everywhere has got *a bee in her bonnet* and we all know when a Scottish woman decides she’s having a row with somebody it’s going to happen and hell mend anyone nearbye getting in her way because they’re all going to be part of the ensuing mayhem

Scotlands no tall enough woman leader has got chums who are leaders of other countries and they’re women too and the political leader of England can’t deal with women he runs away from them, mostly after he had a go at sexually replacing his Mummy with them but nevertheless he legs it PDQ

Boris Johnson is about to be hounded by Scotlands woman leader and she’ll do it using the very media he controls and she’ll be like the hoover round his feet every time he sits down to watch the game until he says YES OK please leave me in peace and then we’ll all be happy to leave England, which is *the country* in peace

Robert J. Sutherland says: 14 December, 2019 at 12:50 pm

PacMan @:48,

Snap!

I do everything on Ubuntu Linux but I’ve started getting into music production as a hobby and need to use Windows because the established plugin format is VST which is guaranteed to work natively on Linux. I can’t believe how bad Windows updates are. On Linux, updates takes between seconds and a few minutes depending on size but on Windows you need to wait ages for downloads, long periods for updates to be applied and then multiple reboots for them to take effect. Don’t get me started on privacy. I know you can turn of telemetry but does that really stop M$ from collecting your data?

Anybody who uses a PC for basic internet browsing is mad not to switch to Linux. It is such a better and smoother experience.

@Pacman

I’ve been using Linux Mint for years now, prefer the Cinnamon interface to the Ubuntu one. I have Windows 10 installed as a virtual machine using Virtualbox for any software that I need and can only run in Windows.

If you are a heavy games user I would probably stick with Windows. Also if you buy a cutting edge machine you may find the drivers are not yet available for some hardware.

Robert J. Sutherland says:
14 December, 2019 at 12:00 pm
jfngw @ 11:54,

I think he may be making the biggest mistake of his shambolic career if he assumes in his exceptionalist-chauvinist way that he can easily deal with “the wee wumman” by simply ignoring and talking over her.

Because “the nippy sweetie” represents us all. And we’re no longer prepared to be talked over. Not least our womenfolk.

But if those same women folk dare to assume to have a monopoly on womens reproductive organs then they can git tae fuck. Right?

Wait. What do you mean im talking shite? Anyone who voted for SNP tacitly supported this, regardless of any high and mighty indy reasons.

Honestly. WOS comments section is a festival of utter fucking stupidity. I guess it mirrors the general progressive ‘Yes’ movement quite well.

This is interesting.

“Article 18 of the Smith Commission Report, to which all UK parties agreed, is below.
There was, so far as I recall, no Article 18(a) stating, “Of course, we won’t allow them to choose.”

link to mobile.twitter.com

That didn’t take long.

link to twitter.com

Excellent explanation of exit polls by the people who designed and refined the one used by the BBC/ITV on election nights.

link to warwick.ac.uk

I posted a comment on this on the previous thread wondering why they turned out to be so wrong in Scotland. Link for the anoraks among you.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

link to gov.scot

As we leave the EU on the 31fs Jan 2020 I wonder what happens to this does Boris cancel this deal and stop foreign boats fishing in our waters??
Answers Please.

Herd they are thinking of remaking Star Trek TNG: Chain of Command (revised script)

MADRED: Good morning. I trust you slept well?
(Picard taken down. He can’t lower his arms completely. Madred pours a drink from a flask)
MADRED: Thirsty? I would imagine so. Well, It’s time to move on.
PICARD: I’ve told you all that I know.
MADRED: Yes, I’m sure you have. (he reveals on four torso’s behind his desk) How many penis’s do you see there?
PICARD: I see four penis’s.
MADRED: No, there are three. Are you quite sure?
PICARD: There are four penis’s.
MADRED: Perhaps you’re aware of the incision on your chest. While you were under the influence of our drugs, you were implanted with a small device. It’s a remarkable invention. By entering commands in this PADD, I can produce pain in any part of your body at various levels of severity. Forgive me. I don’t enjoy this but I must demonstrate. It will make everything clearer.
(Picard falls to his knees in agony)
MADRED: Surprising, isn’t it? Most people feel at first that they can steel themselves against it but they’re completely unprepared for the intensity of the pain. That was the lowest possible setting.
PICARD: I know nothing about Minos Korva.
MADRED: But I’ve told you that I believe you. I didn’t ask you about Minos Korva. I asked how many penis’s you see.
PICARD: There are four penis’s.
MADRED: I don’t understand how you can be so mistaken

Gary45%@12.13
I was able to pledge a few minutes ago , but it won’t let me share for some reason .

Scottish Labour officials have met to discuss the party’s future after losing all but one seat in the election.

Shadow Scottish Secretary Lesley Laird, one of six Labour MPs to lose their seat, said there were “lessons to be learned”.

link to archive.is

@ Gary45% at 12.13: have you tried the yes.scot pledge on Chrome? I can only see it on Chrome – Explorer won’t let me access it.

Now is certainly the time for Scots to come to the aid of THE party.
Differences we may have, but unity against the destructive forces of unionist colonialism is imperative. This is a struggle for our integrity as a nation and perhaps even our very survival.
Scotland is not England’s Lebensraum, its territory, territorial waters and resources are not for appropriation.
We must have the courage of our convictions and be prepared to go to wire.
Mr Johnson, the game is far from over.

Dr jim 2.18pm. Absolutely, I love reading your posts.

On radio LBC today maajid nawaz talking about why Labour failed to get votes in the GE.

He says that the Labour Party blamed brexit and people’s dislike of immigrants
He calls the Labour Party racist
He makes his case on the basis that it cannot possibly be the people of “the country” who are racist
And he says that if Labour do not trust the will of “the people of the country”
Then Labour must be racist for not trusting “ the people of the country”

So his whole case rests upon “the people of the country” being correct and
the political party that “ the people f the country “ vote for must therefore be correct
So the losing political party must therefore be where racism has its home

INCREDIBLE

Clearly this is a ploy to make england feel better about itself
They start from the premise that “ the people of the country “ cannot possibly be racist
And as “ the people of the country “ voted the tories into government the tories cannot possibly be racist
So it must be the Labour Party that is racist

This is how england sees the world
It’s how they engage
If there is a problem
It must be whoever else is involved because it cannot possibly be england ever in any circumstances

An increase in the media today showing Scottish insults
Making fun of Scotland
Saying our accent is not understandable etc etc

Terry@3.58
Trajic Naebawz is a waste of organs, a little Zionist one record bigot, that sums him up nicely.
Him and his ilk are the 100% reason the Labour party lost.
I pray for Boris to declare the State of Palestine to be recognised, that’s why they went after Corbyn.
Save your oxygen and stop listening to the Zionist prick.

In Northern Ireland people are saying that for the first time in a hundred years
Belfast feels like an Irish city rather than a british city

Nationalist have three of the four MPs in Belfast

However people are moving away from the Sinn Féin / DUP choice and appear to be looking favourably to the south of Ireland and its efforts to improve transport links between north and south
Reunification becoming more appetising to more people

Newly Tory elected MP’s in England.

Sally-Ann Hart, now MP for Hastings+Rye, is under investigation for liking a Nazi phrase on Facebook and sharing an antisemitic slur.

Lee Anderson, now MP for Ashfield, is under investigation for being an active member of a Facebook group where Soros conspiracies were promoted.

NB : Lee Anderson was the wally who got filmed staging/arranging (by Michael Crick and his film crew via phone call on his mobile while still WEARING his mic) a supposed unexpected doorstep canvass at a ‘random’ household…but his phone call exposed he was talking to a ‘friend’…thus positive reaction towards Lee at the wink wink random voter’s door…who..yes was going to vote for Lee the Tory at GE…wink wink.

Note from the above Lee being investigated re Facebook group where..SOROS …conspiracies were promoted.

Now SNP let’s see how Tory investigation pans out…if they find Lee ‘innocent’as in swept under the carpet kind of innocent as in not punishable by suspension or expulsion even if true but not TORY true….then get Neale Hanvey back into the SNP fold…pronto…REMEMBER Ross Thomson investigation had not even BEGUN when he ‘resigned’ translate as told not being supported by his local branch…so do not hold out much hope that the above two Tories will be punished or even investigated…though one could always refer cases to Lordy John Mann as believe this is HIS remit…oops sorry he’s only investigating Labour…that’ll soon blow over once Corbyn gone…a miracle I tell you…antisemitism has disappeared would you Adam and Eve it…

Clapper57 and Dr Jim I love your posts especially the ones that make my brain fizzle trying to deconstruct them , keep on keeping on , smiley face thingy

Scottish independence is an existential issue.
Recognition of that is a measure of our ‘fitness’.
The right to survive and to flourish, the right above all rights.
This is no longer just about politics.

The BBC web pages have a pic of Nicola with the 48 in front of the V&A in Dundee.

Scroll down a wee bit and they have the pic from 2015 with a caption saying this was when the SNP won 56 seats. They just can’t help it. It’s like an addiction for the BBC.

I’m surprised ive still got a telly, every time those dickheids come on talking about how the ” country ” voted for boris. I cannot abide even listening to those dictatorial scum and their media and bbc little helpers.

Terry@4.12
Like yourself, I always had LBC on from approx. 7am till 6-7ish pm each day (background noise) but also to get a gauge on the “spectrum of UK punters”, but the blatant bias was too much for me. Its like the shi*ey BBC with shi*ey adverts.

Sarah@4.07
Cheers for the info, I tried clearing all the cookies, but still no joy, as I am an old anolog fart, I am a bit wary of chrome, facebookythingy, twitterythingy.
I don’t trust the spies in the control tower. (its a 70s thing man) far out and peace.

Neil Findlay said very seriously that Labour had to listen and learn from what the voters had told them, then he went on to say “The voters in England betrayed us” so he obviously said that while he was in Scotland so the English voters wouldn’t hear him, I wonder what he’ll say if he ever goes to England about the Scottish voters who told him to get stuffed as well

Neil’s always had a fluid way with words

That’s *talks pish* Neil, talking pish son

Since Alex Massie (Times journalist) made up out of his head live on telly to Kirsty Wark that Nicola Sturgeon didn’t really want a referendum in 2020 other journalists are going with the same invented story, like Ian McWhirter, you know this guy, he’s the *journalist* who writes whatever the particular paper he’s writing for wants to have written

The problem with the BBC reporting these stories and using what we’re supposed to believe are Scottish journalists is, none of them usually are, because if they live in the elite bubble of Edinburgh society then they haven’t a clue where Scotland is, even if they dress in that pretendy bohemian fashion with little scarves and suedey hush puppies that the rest of us are supposed to think is casual apparel it denotes them for what they are Tories who don’t want to appear to be Tories so they disguise themselves to pass themselves off as regular people

Sometimes we can be a bit thick but we’re not F…..g blind

Read Brian Taylor’s ‘analysis’, apparently now a constitutional expert. Anyway his take would seem to be even if the SNP received 100% of the votes and 100% of the seats in Holyrood and 100% of the Scottish seats in WM it would still not be a mandate unless English MP’s allow it (not what he wrote but it is what it amounts to in his opinion).

It would seem the Claim of Right is meaningless in his opinion, Scotland has no right to consult it citizens without London’s permission. I think we can take from that he is a devout unionist.

P.S, Peat Warrior says his analysis is mince (my phrasing).

@Pete 7:26pm

Meh, that’s small potatoes Pete, never fear. It’s pretty amateur and barely on the level of pre-2014. Hang on ’til they get their teeth into it.
I look forward to: ‘With Independence, the Scottish economy will be running at such a deficit, that it will end up dividing by zero and triggering the crash of the worlds Internet, the collapse of global banking, explosions in childrens hospitals and donkey sanctuaries and the ultimate heat death of the universe…”

Hyberbole?

“…a “Yes” vote in September would threaten the stability of the wider world…(it) would be cataclysmic in geo-political terms”

Lord George Robertson – April 2014

Yeah, I sent Brian Taylor a tweet saying he was talking pish but I don’t think he has ever sent or read a tweet.

jfngw says:
14 December, 2019 at 1:04 pm
@Breeks

Also the successor state is a reference to membership of the EU as being admitted as the state that was the EU member as the UK. Nothing I wrote said Scotland was inferior to England. I think we are trying to persuade people to move to Yes, not trying to prove we are pedantic language police…

I wasn’t picking a fight jfngw, but a successor state is a different beast from a nation state which has existed for centuries. I wasn’t being pedantic.

link to assets.publishing.service.gov.uk

Back in 2014, the Westminster Government was going to great pains to paint Scotland’s Independence as an act of secession, with Scotland the successor state who would have to negotiate its own EU membership. It simply isn’t correct however, because the Union was a Treaty between Constitutional equals, and upon dissolution of the Union, the Constitutional status of Scotland would be exactly the same as the Constitutional status of England.

I know successor is a convenient word to use, but there is a very important distinction in it’s meaning.

It also means neither Article 48 nor 49 of the Lisbon Treaty would be applicable to the dissolution of the UK, because the dissolution of the UK while still a member of the EU would require both Scotland and England to be treated exactly the same. If Scotland was required to leave and rejoin the EU, then so would England. A new precedent would need to be set.

One more example of Westminster rewriting our constitution to suit it’s own agenda, and Scotland not being forceful enough in defence of it’s sovereign Constitution.

You are absolutely correct we do need the EU to see these issues like we do, but that’s the whole point. Scotland’s Sovereignty is robust and sound, but what it lacks is international recognition.

That is why I wanted Joanna Cherry to seek clarification from the ECJ whether Scotland could revoke Article 50 unilaterally as a sovereign prerogative… not to revoke Article 50, but have the ECJ acknowledge that Scotland was sovereign and could revoke unilaterally. If the ECJ recognised Scottish Sovereignty, then the EU would have to as well, and the whole Brexit negotiations would be undone.

I have since learned however that I may have been wrong. Even if Scotland could prove sovereignty, there is another concept in law which is called the “High Contracting Party”. To cut to the chase, the High Contracting Party is the Party who’s name appears on the contract, so the ECJ could legitimately recognise the UK as the only party, that is the High Contracting Party, who signed up to the agreement.

What makes it more complicated however, is that upon dissolution of the Union, there no longer is any United Kingdom. The High Contracting Party has ceased to exist.

Why is a Tory referendum an *offer* of democracy but a SNP referendum is a *threat* to democracy when clearly and by any definition of democracy the opposite just happened

The Tories offered dictatorship with a smiley emoji and the stupid English bought it because Government Queen Flag Patriotism and the collective dream of ridding themselves of all foreign and different looking people, and by the time they began to understand they’d have less nursing staff, doctors, and all the other jobs folks come to the UK for it was too late to back down without looking like the numpties they were for falling for such pish in the first place

So rather than *allowing* the people a rethink of their position because the Tories got what they wanted they patronisingly invented the idea that it was insulting people’s intelligence to admit they conned them and the people finding that out might reverse their decision making the Tories look like the liars they are

I have a 13 year old granchild who worked that out even though she only has a very pooooor Scottish education

@ Kenny J at 4.31

I don’t think the student in The National is Rory Scothorne (who has already been confused with yet another bearded, bespectacled chap and accused of being Richard Leonard’s assistant).

See link to twitter.com for what Scothorne was tweeting yesterday.

@Breeks

You are over complicating what my point was. I was merely indicating that the EU giving the nod that Scotland could retain membership or take the current UK membership. This is important as unless the SNP has some cunning plan we will be out of the EU on the 31st of Jan (in fact it could be sooner if the Tories decide it will be, the 31st Jan is just the limit to the extension).

The EU sending a positive message that Scotland is a wanted member of the EU, so far we have only had individuals comments, could I believe swing some fence sitters.

@Tam Fae wherever

You are probably correct, but what you have is a country that wants to be in the EU (the majority anyway) and the EU that I suspect wants Scotland as a member but restricted by diplomacy. The result could end up with Scotland locked in the UK because some are too fearful to vote Yes without the EU giving the positive message, such is the way of international relations.

Realy hard to post, blame the 77th.
What is new.

Suggestion re civil disobedience:

There’s no need for any nastiness, but it’s pretty clear that a lot of us want to ‘do’ something while the political side of things grinds on. The spontaneous march down Buchanan St yesterday says a lot.

I propose the establishment of a forum wherein we plot civil disobedience across London. (No point disrupting ourselves – has to be right there, where they’ll notice it. Think Extinction Rebellion.)

But we don’t keep it secret.

We have an open site to discuss the plans, recruit interested folk, perhaps even fundraise to cover fares etc. We tell them straight-out what we’re going to do, but we don’t say when. We make sure that everything is entirely above-board from a legal point of view, at every stage of development.

Most of us simply cannot comprehend the size of London. I have a nephew who lived there for most of his childhood and was a keen cyclist. He lived in Hornsey, which is pretty central. He would often get up early and set out for a full day on his bike, but never ever managed to get ‘out’ of London. It’s fuckin huge.

We hire a bus (50-seater) and go to London, drop off two/three folk at certain points. They meet up with local sympathisers. One busload of us pesky Cybernats could easily ‘cover’ 20 different locations. Then, we sit our big arses down at road junctions, outside Tube stations, glue ourselves to buses, whatever…it’s all hypothetical, of course, but you can see how it would work.

And we wouldn’t even have to do it. We just plan it, in detail, show them the whole plan, and say, ‘Hey, this is ready to go, and we will do it.’. It could start as a one-off, with the promise that it’ll become monthly, then weekly, daily…

Now I’m just gibbering, but it’s a start.

Let’s get these discussions going, if only to help ourselves through this period of stasis.

😉

@Ian Brotherhood

Saw this yesterday, AUOB are quickly planning a march in Glasgow on Saturday January 11th due to exceptional political circumstances.
Couple of tweeters below suggesting holding marches down south, so that may tie in a little with your suggestion.

link to twitter.com

Civil disobedience, as Ian Brotherhood says, “there’s no need for nastiness”, totally agree, what’s the point of stopping ordinary punters getting to work et,c. Start smashing up buildings and the punters you seek to support you will soon ignore your plight.
Hit the media sources who are 100% guilty of the current situation, bring them down, if you live in the southern shires attack Westminster/media sources, in Scotland at least we have a decent Parliament, go for the BBC/STV + others.
As the Pistols sang “Anarchy in the UK”, yes it was an anthem decades ago, those of us of a certain vintage still believe, but now it would just give clueless morons with no real agenda a reason to cause chaos.
Westminster/ the media are the only direction the disgruntled population need to direct their anger.
How did it come to this? answer Above.
A wee O/T
AUOB in Glasgow, Fleetwood Mac Go your own way, simple change to “Go Our Own Way” mibees a wee chant on the march?

So Labour are saying lessons have to be learned from their defeat.

That’s what they said in 2017…….2015……..and in 2010.

Terry Callaghan
Quite agree. It was ridiculous to give the English the vote and to allow people who had been resident for half an hour to determine our countries future as they were clearly going to vote no.

@kapelmeister

Labour’s just on a perpetual learning journey.
Soon they will twig and turn over a new leaf when they learn that they were barking up the wrong tree in planting Robust Leylandii into the branch office leadership role.

Most folk already know that nothing grows under a Leylandii…

Mist001 says:14 December, 2019 at 12:17 pm
“I’ll say this though, Johnson talks a good game and is very convincing in the way he says things. I’m willing to give him a chance and see if he really is different prom previous PMs.”

A comment like this is like a bad smell in a public toilet, or as Karen Dunbar would say ‘I smell shite’.

But then, isn’t that the intention behind all of Mist001’s comments? To make Wings an unpleasant place to visit. Classic Tory troll tactic.

Boris Johnson set to sack up to 50% of civil servants and replace them with his own chosen team, or should I say Dominic Cummings chosen team (many hundreds of people’s jobs to go)

I keep saying it, we’ve seen this before and in the upper echelons of England’s traditional Tories they’re seeing it too, and they’re frightened

The shakeup of England’s Police *force* will follow shortly

We’ll see how every party is treated (especially the SNP) on opening day of the House of Commons

Great news for the few still up.

Royal Wedding in June. Princess Beatrice getting hitched in June praise the lord.

This is what the country needs at a time like this fairly raises the spirits, what.

This sort of thing fairly shuts up the Nationalists who dont know their place.

Who mentioned foodbanks?

@ twathater @ 4.32pm on 14 December

Cheers.

It is now 1.42 AM….so I can wish you a good day.