Wings Over Scotland

What we need is a pie chart to show the smallest piece as positive. Any Unionists that can help?

I think it’s that word *Scotland* that’s at the root of the problem, they don’t like it

My second name is Scott, I’ve got nae chance, I’m doomed

The British Nationalist Media in Scotland.

Never knowingly tell the truth. EVER.

Allowing vacuous ‘Politicians’ to avoid scrutiny.

Defending the Union at all costs.

And not a counter policy in sight from any of them. As usual.

In the teeth of a decade of austerity? Wondering if there isn’t one of them wouldn’t bite your arm off for the SGs record in office?

The creatures who write this keech can go and do something anatomically impossible. Although my language is generally very colourful I can find no sweary word bad enough for them.
The Rev’s forensic analysis of the keech needs spread far and wide. I facebook just about every article here and lots of Nana’s links in the hope that some uninformed Britnat person reads them and thinks again.

This is why Wings is invaluable.

To see that absolute pile of steaming msm horseshit all together demonstrates just how badly the Unionists are ramping up the onslaught.

It’s a damning disgrace, really is.

Labour didn’t only fail to improve the infrastructure of Scotland they sent money back to London because they couldn’t think of anything that needed done here.

I wish the National would pick up and use some of these articles. I hope they are in negotiation with Rev Stu. Some will say it has to be balanced but since when was the Daily Record and Daily Mail or indeed any of the msm balanced. If the National is really for indy then surely some of the downright lies and distortions in these papers should be called out even if it is just ‘it has been pointed out that’. Unfortunately many people just read headlines, but gladly there are many of us who use the evidence of our own experiences and eyes.

Any sign of that fact checking promised by snp?

The one thing that I can’t get into my head is the fact that even although newspaper sales in Scotland are plummeting and more than half of the population are happy with the current SNP government they continually try to “Shock” their readers with blatant lies which are easily disproved.

I thought I had become inured to this drivel but find myself hopping mad again. Post independence I want to see some retribution for the lies we have had to endure from these cretins. Jail time and heavy fines where possible would be preferable but at the very least their mendacious activities must be exposed and shamed.

We also still have more dentists who will happily admit NHS patients. My wife and I are two. Such are almost extinct in England. We also don’t have to pay for our prescriptions and we get assessed and treated by the NHS instead of some profit seeking health company headed by a billionaire milking the public purse dry and seeking ways to deny you anything but the cheapest treatments.

You have to be very ignorant of all this to find such public services in Scotland not good enough. Talk to anyone South of the Border to find what their lives are like and if they are informed how jealous they are of you.

It is interesting that the stats for people who actually use the services, parents of school children seem to still be satisfied and are largely unchanged.

The only explanation for this would be that those who have no “hands on” experience of the services provided get their opinions from elsewhere…

The only possible alternative source would be Media and its incessant SNP bad, services bad Meme.

I might feel that this is unfair and manipulative of the Media and I would probably be correct.

Thing is this has been going on for so long that poeple are becoming immune to is’s effects… so i see this as a glass half full kind of scenario.

Why well firstly the effect is lessened each time they run with an SNP bad story. Secondly this seems to infuriate the Brit Media and they up the anti to “ridiculous mode” to try and achieve the same results.

Trouble with that is they become more transparently propagandists and their message gets lost in the laughter. And being Unionists they only note the lack of impact, so start reaching even deeper into the morass looking for something no matter how stupid that will… do for the NATS.

But above all this survey shows that the press can produce a 3-4 percent swing in full Apocalypse mode, and that over an extended 5 year period.

Ten years ago it would have been 10 full percentage points and it would have transferred fully into belief that the services are bad.

Simply put the Press is loosing it’s MoJo and in Scotland particularly they know they are not influencing the people as they once could. Hence their batshit craziness and the loss of metal stability of their journalists.

Getting my copy of The National this a.m. I clocked two Yoon rags screaming the same “SNP Past Their Sell-By Date” headlines.

Do they just print the same BS churned out by Blue and Red Tory press offices without any thought or effort on the part of their so called Journos?

Lazy feckers

“For its many thousands of members (125,000), the SNP has become, not so much a political party, more a way of life.”

Well at least Iain McWhirter got that right.

Iain is like a joiner who somehow rarely manages to hammer a nail in straight. He gets it in so far and then hits the nail off-centre, bending it and making it much more difficult to get the nail in straight.
His articles end up punctuated with bent nails.

link to heraldscotland.com

Apparently some primary schools are encouraging pupils to take an interest in society around them by, wait for it – reading newspapers – scary!

I listened and watched news items yesterday on all this negative news on Mental Health in Young people and the lack of immediate help/access available to them and this was blamed entirely on the SNP’s supposed dire record with no mention of any restrictions and circumstances as to why this is occurring.

I am someone who has suffered depression off and on for a few years , to the extent that I took early retirement at 55 years of age because I was unable to function on a day to day basis. I did not tell my employer or seek any medical help, rightly or wrongly it was my choice not to seek help but instead I chose to try and overcome it myself.

Not once did I choose self help because I thought that there would a long waiting list and that in turn must mean the Scottish government were somehow culpable and therefore why bother seeking medical help.

As I have said this was my choice and I appreciate and respect that for others that may not be an ideal option for their depression.I still suffer depression which leaves me feeling detached from others around me , crippled with self doubt and worth and lacking in any confidence to even consider applying for any new jobs, even though as a Waspi woman I must wait until I am in my sixties (66) before I receive my state pension.

I suppose the point I am trying to make is that although I suffer from depression, and like others I deal with it in the best way I can, I am angered when I see opposition parties using and abusing people like me in order to politically point score while knowing they could not improve or change a system which is shackled to WM financial restrictions and a climate which is alienating EU health staff from coming to work in this country thanks to Brexit.

On a plus side I take great pleasure from both reading WOS and having the confidence to post on this site even although I can be somewhat over indulgent in the length of my comments. It gives me a focus and an energy I would not normally have, more importantly it empowers me and reiterates my belief that I am on the right side.

Apologies to anyone who reads this personal comment on such a public forum but I am saddened that people such as I , like many others, are used as pawns in political games.

Iain @ 1.55
That really is scary…
We already know how history is distorted from our own experience in school’s.
Our teachers are more than capable of teaching critical thinking but our curriculum always seems to fall short..
That two people never read the same book “should be whole of the law”,LOL.. Well the basis of the guidelines at least..
EG… I never cared about the Green light on the dock in Gatsby… I wanted to know what happened to the wee dog,my teacher didn’t see it that way… But I still say I’m right!

Clapper 57 @ 2.16
No apology necessary Clapper 57… In fact thank you for sharing,it’s the only way people like me have any chance of understanding.
Its not as if we could depend on the Media to give an honest account,it’s people like you on blogs like this,who actually care enough to share, that are the route to getting things right going forward…
Take care of you. X

Packhorse Pete @2.36pm

As I have said on a number of occasions the only part of Scottish life that the Westminster controlled media in Scotland never criticise is the Westminster controlled media – surprise surprise. What does this tell us ?

It tells us the the media in Scotland is not Scottish.

It tells us there is collusion among the media to print the same lies.

It tells us there is no competition between the media in Scotland or they would call out the lies and propaganda in their competition to rubbish them and attempt to increase their own sales/broadcasting viewing figures.

It tells us the media in Scotland and the Britnat political parties all collude to tell the exact same lies not now and again but all the time.

It tells us without any doubt that the media in Scotland is under the complete control of the British state and is used on a daily basis for Britnat propaganda purposes.

Packhorse Pete says:
5 September, 2018 at 2:36 pm
Why don’t we have a poll showing satisfaction levels with the press in Scotland?

Now THERE’S an idea. To add credibility it should be spread far and wide getting responses from as many as possible. British nationalists will say it’s wonderful but many, many others and not just yessers would express their disgust.

Just think how embarrassing a widely responded to poll would be for the poor things 🙂

I read this info from another website and came to the same conclusion as you Sit.
He’ll mend the lot of them

@Patsy Millar says: 5 September, 2018 at 1:52 pm:

” … I’m also wondering about the SNP’s fact checking; I’d really like to see some sign of it as, unfortunately, many people take their news from the MSM and not from that ‘controversial’ blogger, yourself!”

Well! Patsy, it is a bit life looking to buy a fish supper from a Greengrocer’s shop. In this case the shopper is just wasting time looking in the wrong place for they won’t get the truth of what the SNP has done, is doing or is about to do in the Daily Wrecker, Daily Fail or the Daily Depress. Nor on any of the Westminster funded or controlled Broadcast media.

However, if they tried:-

link to scottishparliament.tv

link to holyrood.com

link to snp.org

or:-

link to blog.snpgroup.com

They might stand a chance of getting it right from the SNP or SG itself.

Then, of course there is:

link to youtube.com

And certainly not least of all:-

link to wingsoverscotland.com

Scotland has learned from newspapers

I think they call it how NOT to be a newspaper

But the newspaperers haven’t learned that, and if they don’t when they’re gone they’re gone and you know what, when they have gone they’ll have telly programs discussing and wondering why they’re gone featuring ex newspaperers with puzzled looks on their faces blaming eveybody else but themselves

Funnily enough exactly what the Labour party does now when they decide to tell old lies made into new lies then get angry with the voters when they say

Heard it, remember it the first time you lied about it so sod off not listening to it again!

When kids stick their fingers in the fire they do remember the experience and don’t repeat their stupidity, Journalists? not so much, maybe they were over protected as children that’s why they keep sucking at Englands milky parts for comfort

It’s proving to be a bitter tasting comfort, but oh how I’m comforted by their discomfort

Jeezo, they dinnae hauf gie ye the boak. On and bloody on it goes, SNP BAAAAD, blow for Sturgeon, SNP split, civil war amongst independence supporters. It could fair weary a body.

What gets right up my nose is, that the msm britnats are all quick to start shouting about things, but, and there’s aye a but, where are the policies of their own. Cmon, the Ruth Davidson party, Libdums and the Scottish branch of the Labour party. Tell us what you would do to improve a’ the things that you claim are wrong. Total silence. Nae answer tae that one. Enough already.

Slab & the Libdums had their chance and quite frankly made an erse o’ it. Could not even think of one thing to spend the money on, so they sent it back to Westminster. Sheesh.

Awa and bile yer heid the lot of you. We the public, who do actually use the services your moaning about, ken when we’re being lied to. Our services are great compared to other corners of the UK, especially Wales. Wunner whose in charge there. Oh aye, it’s Labour.

O/T anybody know what’s happened to indycar Gordon on youtube. He hasn’t had a post up for 5 days now, not like him. Have youtube given him the bums rush.

@Packhorse Pete says: 5 September, 2018 at 2:36 pm:

” … Why don’t we have a poll showing satisfaction levels with the press in Scotland?”

Err! Excuse me Packhorse Pete, but – just who the hell would publish or broadcast the results except Wings and the wee list of linked sites on the right hand side of these comments and we all know truth anyway.

I was just having a wee chuckle to myself reading the example Rev Stu used above, “Blow to Sturgeon”.

Aiblins yon puir wee wummin haes haed mair, “Blows”, tae thole its a wunner she kin staun up tae spak in wir pairliament ava.

I know that it must be somewhat time consuming for you Stew,
But your doing exactly what is required, immediately counter these suspect press reports, and do them on the internet where we can, and will pass them onto the public at large.
Would that The National do the same!!.

@Doctor Jim

If your fifty-years-old on November 2nd and your second name is Barry, please let me know. This is a real long-shot on my part, but a genuine enquiry. Thanks.

Isn’t it amazing how co-ordinated these attacks are between the unionist parties and the MSM. You could almost believe they are in the same offices, in fact some of them used to be.

I have spent a few hours catching up with posts written over the last few days and have seen no mention of this poll (maybe I missed it?) so I thought I’d post it…..91% for Independence – and from the P&J!
link to pressandjournal.co.uk

I’m fed up. I am fed up with Leonard, Davidson, Rennie, Rees Mogg, Johnson, Gove and Fox. I am tired of looking at the front pages of so called NEWSpapers with nothing to say about Scotland except that we are shite. I am utterly,utterly baffled as to why my fellow Scots do not have the pride in their country to want to be independent and to see this Westmonster government for what it is, A useless bunch of wasters with little to no interest in anything north of the Watford gap.

@Clapper 57 (2.16) –

Well said, and I echo Liz G’s comment.

I don’t know if the depression you suffer is of clinical severity so please forgive me commenting without knowing the full picture, but the flip side of the same coin you describe is the fact that we are all force-fed this 24/7 narrative of doom, that our lifestyles, children, workplaces, public services, sports, everything, everywhere all around us is just shite all the time.

We often see the relationship between WM/London and the ‘regions’ compared to that suffered by the abused spouse (as in Jakey Rowling’s infamous claptrap) but to me a more apt analogy is the bitter, jealous parent who tells the wean that (s)he’s a loser and will never amount to anything. For some perspective – my parents’ generation were dismissed by such authority figures as ‘factory fodder’. Now, with improved conditions, a decent factory job is like gold dust, so if you can’t even get one of them what does that make you?!

It’s more insidious and damaging than physical abuse because that, at least, is identifiable. Bruises heal. Sexual abuse is horrific and disgusting but there are real offenders, people who committed crimes and are guilty and know it – they seem to be caught and convicted very rarely but at least the victims can seek help and know, in themselves, that they are not to blame. (I’m struggling to find the precisely correct language to describe this and don’t want to appear to be treating these crimes lightly – I trust the point I’m making below is clear enough.)

What we are *all* being subjected to is psychological assault, day after day, after month after year, decade, and it stretches back further than any of us can remember. The so-called ‘cringe’ is a reaction to that abuse and is so common that it’s become a kind of grim joke. 9Cameron B has, for years now, been posting peer-reviewed academic papers which few of us read, but many of them contain hard evidence to back this up.)

It’s so difficult to get people to see the importance of this when we’re *all* inside it, are inured to it, but I’m old enough to remember when rumours of sexual abuse of children were dismissed because the very idea of adults having sex with children was just ludicrous and impossible and disgusting it was literally unthinkable and couldn’t be taken seriously. Just as ‘cancer’ used to be whispered about and called ‘The Big C’, so the idea that priests and nuns could rape and torture children was not entertained, especially if you were raised in an environment where clergy were all-powerful. Exactly the same accusations of ‘conspiracist’ used to belittle anyone griping about the treatment of Scotland were once levelled at those who dared to expose sex offenders.

Clapper 57, I hope that the depression you suffer is a natural reaction to all of this. I believe that many of us feel the same and have for a long time but we just ‘get on with it’ because we’re told to, from a very early age, by all the people we respect and love the most. Those people – well-motivated or not – were wrong to merely repeat the same experiences they suffered. We don’t have to make the same mistakes and there’s no need for our own weans to have to deal with the baggage we got dumped with. (In any event, if polling figures are to be believed then they seem quite savvy enough to refuse to accept it anyway.)

I’m not going into my own experience of it all because it’s too personal and a lot of the people involved are still alive and might see this, put two and two together, and they don’t get a right of reply – I’ve shut them out of my life and don’t intend ever to see or hear from them again, but I’ve seen what happens to some who agree to accept treatment for ‘depression’ and it is fuckin horrendous.

(FWIW, the only thing I’ve found which helps is good diet and physical exercise. ‘Big Pharma’, for embarrassingly obvious reasons, wants to make us ill and keep us ill permanently.)

Good luck to you and yours. One day, I hope, we will have an opportunity to measure the psychological impact of real, full independence. It’s something that none of us have ever experienced and, hopefully, it will only happen once. It’s one experiment for which, I suspect, most of us would be more than happy to be guinea pigs! In the meantime, many of us continue to grapple with various levels of depression – best we can do is learn to manage it healthily and take time-out when it gets too much. We help each other, even if that means stepping in to provide comments and dialogue when someone else has decided to go and recharge their batteries. We can take turns feeling down about it all. But we should be positive – we have a lot of batteries!

Good luck to you. 🙂

Scotland is shite SNP bad heard it all before. Listened to BBC Scotland just after 6am this morning unbelievable SNP badness.

Anyway how are things doing in England and Wales?

@ Dave McEwen Hill. Maybe that’s what the Dark Money is for?

jfngw says:

Isn’t it amazing how co-ordinated these attacks are between the unionist parties and the MSM.

Dave McEwan Hill says:

It is so obvious now that all media attacks on the SNP whether they come from Labour or the Tories are from an external source and completely coordinated.

Indeed! What is interesting is that it has all become more and more frantic. Any subtlety or caution has been cast aside. There is no attempt to hide what must rightly be termed conspiracy.

This is no ‘theory’, this is an open, obvious, and coordinated project to undermine democracy in Scotland. However, clever propaganda, it is not! The very panic-stricken nature of it all wreaks of desperation rather than sophistication.

The tipping point where it becomes counter productive for their own UKOK cause, has passed IMO.

Ghillie @ 5:52pm.
So we do, but it’s those outside who don’t look at, or unaware of “Wings” who need to be told the truth.

@Josef

That’s not me I’m afraid I wish I was as young as that

Unlikely, I know, even for the lying britnat media, but they’ll be telling us next there’s civil war within the SNP. Oh, wait…

I have a few preferences for a Scottish government:

1.be independent*
2. Control and utilise your own currency effectively
3. Manage and nurture the bounty nature has given us
4. Have a voluntary Job guarantee

*2-4 rely on 1

The Tree of Liberty says:
5 September, 2018 at 5:00 pm
msdidi @ 4.48. Is that kosher?

No it’s not. It’s the same poll that’s been out recently with a 52% for yes.

Please don’t click on msdidi’s link. It’s not archived and will fund the colonialist enabling propaganda outlet the P&J.

Dr Jim @ 6.09 & Josef
Dis that mean there’s 2 o’ the buggers…
The Union has nae chance…

They are only dissatisfied with the Press. Reporting that rubbish.

Why unionists keep on attacking Education/SNHS and public services is a mystery. Everyone supports these services. They know how good they are because they use them every day. .

The could be even better if Westminster was not wasting and mismanaging Scottish money and resources.

Sometime you would think they had never been in a school, hospital or using transport.

The Alex Salmond nonsense was a disgrace.

The lying goes on in all quarters of the corrupt UK administration. Spotted this on Craig Murrays blog:

link to craigmurray.org.uk

The article is entitled “The impossible photo”. Appears to be an own goal by the union on their lies over the Skripal affair and yet another reason why you cannot trust one word of what is broadcast or printed (with minor exceptions) in this disgusting so called democracy. The only safe way to proceed is to start with the premise that everything you hear or see is a lie and work back from there. I might just exclude anything David Attenborough has to say about the lifecycle of hedgehogs. Even that could be a propaganda tool these days!

Depression is a very difficult thing to talk about and for people around the sufferer to help. In some ways it is a silent lonely illness – much easier to have sympathy for someone with a plaster on a limb. I wonder though if many actions of this Tory govt is causing many of the stresses and worries that give rise to mental Ill-health. Parents suffering working poverty, zero hours contracts etc. I know UK has lowest pensions in Europe and read today that. Russia has a lower pension age than UK. The constant MSM distortions of what is happening in Scotland does not help and only adds to anxiety levels. The MSM has a lot to answer for.I really hope those suffering on this way get the support and help they need.

Glad the Rev reads aw this pish so we don’t have to.

Notice the final chart from the papers begins the y-axis at 40% to basically amplify any change.

@ Winifred Mccartney @ 7.30pm

Yes Winifred it is difficult to talk about depression, more so, with the people you are close to but tis easier to be more open somewhere such as this forum where you know you will not be judged and where you are relatively anonymous.

Your observation on possible despair and depression being compounded by actions and policies implemented by the Tory party is indeed insightful. This combined with feeling overwhelmed by the events of Brexit , Trump, a ruthless and biased media etc does result in feeling a sense of hopelessness for the future.

However as an Indy supporter I , personally , have hope and a degree of optimism in that there is both a movement of people and a political party that seeks a more fairer and just society.It is not a cure for depression but it is certainly a move in the right direction to address some of the madness and selfishness we are currently enduring in UKOK and the world.

Have a good evening

Saw the pic of Jackson carlaw in the bbc studio. Thought he was in for desert island dicks.

@ shinty – yes I found that wee lassie’s story so very sad. It deserves wider circulation but I couldn’t see any info on who wrote it. Indicates how important teachers are in helping deprived children. The food is important but so is the emotional support.

I remember from reading Alice Miller’s work how important it was that at least one person listens and affirms.

@ Robert Peffers – thx – will check those links out. I used to like listening to a play on the radio but I’ve got tired of listening to the sort of stuff they broadcast now.

Having said that, I am listening to Radio Scotland as we speak, Travelling Folk. It’s good!

The Tories continue in their quest to find a metaphorical herd of wild unicorns.

With their red lines they have two options … cliff jump or Canada-style.

Canada needs NI to stay in the single market and that implies customs between NI and Britain. Fair enough. The Tories won’t face up to reality. Unicorns do not exist!

link to irishtimes.com

As Mark Twain once nearly said,

“There are three kinds of lies,

lies,damned lies and Scottish journalism.”

@Ian Brotherhood

That was a great post, the fact is anyone at all can suffer from depression and there are many well known examples who have chosen to make it public.

It’s something that should be talked about because as you said so many would never admit it to others or seek help as it still carries with it a stigma borne through ignorance.

Like any illness we in Scotland need the best treatments and I’m pleased that the Scottish government are acknowledging this and are willing to spend money on at least providing young people with someone to go to when they need support.

It’s a good initiative and should be welcomed by all.

@ In Brotherhood @ Clapper57 – well said. Great comments on our collective situation.

“We are all in the gutter but some of us are looking at the stars.” (Oscar Wilde)

NHS

Satisfied: 87%
Dissatisfied: 13%

SCHOOLS

Satisfied: 93%
Dissatisfied: 7%

PUBLIC TRANSPORT

Satisfied: 81%
Dissatisfied: 19%

These should have been the front page top headlines in the “independence supporting” The National, younger sister of The Herald.

If it wasn’t, why not?

@Graf Midgehunter,
Lol yes Graf thats just ma luck.lol.

manandboy says:

The word is odious

Yup, good word.

synonyms: revolting, repulsive, repellent, repugnant, disgusting, offensive, objectionable, vile, foul, abhorrent, loathsome, nauseating, nauseous, sickening, hateful, detestable, execrable, abominable, monstrous, appalling, reprehensible, deplorable, insufferable, intolerable, unacceptable, despicable, contemptible, beyond the pale, unspeakable, poisonous, noxious, obscene, base, hideous, grisly, gruesome, horrendous, heinous, atrocious, awful, terrible, dreadful, frightful, obnoxious, unsavoury, unpalatable, unpleasant, disagreeable, nasty, distasteful, dislikeable, off-putting, displeasing

…. the author of this list must have had BritNattery and their behaviour in mind 🙂

Well done to Chick McGregor one of our own! 🙂

link to archive.fo

That just shows what can be done by just one person acting on an idea of their own and getting the walking boots on and actually making an effort.

Because of Chic’s efforts 17,000 lucky people in Scotland should be getting a free first ever copy of the Sunday National through their door. This must cost the National in excess of £25,000 but hopefully it will prove worth it and take the paper to a wider audience and they might just buy more. Who knows some of them might even move from No to Yes!

A hat tip to you Chic for all your hard work paying off 🙂

So a big day for Scottish politics in Edinburgh and WM and the only political program we have in Scotland at night all we get is a snooker player and Russian spy scandal. Grrrr

@ Ian Brotherhood @ 9.42pm

Hi Ian , you highlight many of the issues we have all faced as Indy supporters , which can have a detrimental effect on both our morale and general outlook on life within the confines of this so called Union, and this is further exploited by the constant diminishing of and trivialising of something that we all believe in so passionately, courtesy of those who are less than sympathetic, shall we say, to the idea of independence.

It is intentional that certain factions are intent on wearing down the ‘opposition’ in the constitutional debate with no care for the consequences or feelings of those they belittle …the ‘opposition’ being the Indy supporter. Tis easy to forget that it is other human beings we are communicating with and whether we are on opposing sides with different opinions we should not resort to somehow ridiculing those opposing views as if they hold no significance.Having said that when one is attacked , as WE all are from many sides, instinctively one fights back, especially when you know that what you believe in is not something that should be ridiculed and demeaned.More importantly those who chastise you know too that they are justifying the unjustifiable and defending the indefensible in their support of a dysfunctional union of non equals very much thanks to the dominant part of the (non) union.

You articulate well your point in respect to the analogy you use to communicate how those against our cause in the WM bubble are comparable to those parents who had no faith in their children and actively sought to impede their potential to succeed in life.

Psychological abuse is extremely harming and for some victims it is very very difficult to articulate to others what is being done to them as it may seem trivial and in some cases the victim themselves are seen as somehow too sensitive or over reacting to what others perceive as banter. In respect to sexual abuse of children many years ago children did not have the protection there is now. Figures of authority were believed and children were too intimidated to pursue those who abused them….more so since those figures of authority held positions of power and were seen as more credible, via their position, and thus never challenged.

I agree that we can relate in a more respectful manner and communicate a more positive message to our own children and not have them restricted by the confines of a sense of inferiority. Much is said about nationalism in respect to independence supporters as though it is somehow counter productive and negative to aspire to want to live in a better country and ultimately one that will benefit one’s children. It is not that we are delusional as many accuse us of being it is more that we are energised by the exciting prospect of living a new life in a new independent country where we make our own choices and not be dragged into situations by those we neither voted for or believe in.

In respect to medicinal ‘treatment’ for depression this was one main reason I did not choose to seek help because I wanted to see if I could via meditation and other therapeutic methods conquer my demon. I have no name for my depression clinical or otherwise , it exists but will not hopefully overwhelm me as I am fortunate to have a good husband and fine son. Like you I will not give any details on what instigated my depression other than say it did stem from my childhood.

Yes the ‘others’ whether political , media or usual Twitter suspects are relentless in their verbal assault, but I like you , know that if our cause was meritless , then human nature being what it is , we would be disregarded as many disregard those who have no possibility of achieving what they desire. It is because they know we can win Independence that they are pursuing us with such incessant persistence and desperately trying to grind some of us down with false information and diminish any expectation we have of succeeding.

Apologies if I have not addressed or mentioned all of your points which you have taken the time and care to write about but I am sure many other people on here will agree and applaud the integrity and sincerity of your post.

Thank you for taking the time to respond in such a sensitive and coherent manner. I wish you luck too. Have a good evening even though it drawing to a close .

rock – you detest The National. We get it.

If you don’t support the National you therefore support unionist papers. Just admit it.

@Iain says: 5 September, 2018 at 4:18 pm:

” … Roll on the day that these liars held to account for misleading the elderly and simple minded.
Do they feel no shame?

Of course they do not feel shame, they are proud to serve their Queen and country. Thing is they believe their queen is the Queen of England and their country they believe to be the United Kingdom which is a united kingdom and not a country.

So these people feel proud to serve their Queen & Country but here’s the thing. We do not need to do anything to hurt them for their false beliefs will do the job for us.

When Scots take back our independence, note it is OUR independence not Scotland’s independence, for we Scots are sovereign and thus we own Scotland.

So when these people realise their intransigence was the prime factor that drove Scots out of their precious union and they are going down in history as the ones who lost the union it will be punishment enough for such proud unionists.

Big Phil @ 10.04
Hi big Phil… I’d not been catching yer posts fur a while and wondered if ye were ok… Great tae see ye back!
Yer wee lassie sounds a wee smartie… just the kind of kid who will be taking over the running of an independent Scotland…keep on keeping on my friend and we’ll have that country fur her,, and right soon..
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Ian Brotherhood @ 9.42
Great post sir..
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And anyone else who is reading..Cameron B Brodie dose post really good stuff about the latest thinking on the human condition,it can be heavy reading,and I don’t always understand all of it, but it certainly makes ye see things more clearly sometimes!

@ScottieDog @ 11.28pm

Thank you.

Yes Scottie D, debt IS also a factor in depression and those who find themselves in debt are victimised and deemed to be somehow inadequate and inferior thus they are meant to feel guilty and be seen as being irresponsible and selfish..for what…..wanting a life ! It is also worth noting that any of us could find ourselves in debt when circumstances can change in our life that dramatically impact our finances and our ability to continue to sustain our current lifestyles .

We live in a world of ‘haves’ and ‘have nots’ and it is usually those who ‘have’ that are quick to judge the actions of those who ‘have not’ and who dare to want to have the very things that those who ‘have’ take for granted.

It is sad that so many should be deprived of not only the basic necessities in life but also the extra pleasures we should all be able to enjoy to have a full and happy life, indeed is life not for living as opposed to just existing .

We live in a materialistic world where many judge others for what they possess as opposed to who they are , they say money does not bring happiness , who can say that is the case for all , but I do believe having no money brings misery , as with poverty comes a lack of choice and one is deprived of some of the small pleasures that can make our lives more fulfilled.

One hopes that in an independent Scotland there will be more opportunity to invest in and help those who are currently being left behind and ignored very much thanks to a geographically distant , insufferable , callous and draconian WM government.

First Ministers questions coming up folks where we’ll be told from all sides of the opposition that our democratically elected and most popular government ever the SNP are either timid or tired or past their sell by date or anything else the opposition can think up

But what the opposition can’t seem to think up are any actual policies of their own except for *we hate you go away* and I’m afraid that all sounds a bit timid and tired from the opposition after 11 years of saying it on a weekly (weakly) basis

This coming parliamentary session will see all the usual cringing misery from Labour and the same nasty nonsense from the Tories with the silly bitchy entertainment from the Willie Rennie quartet, but the biggset noises will be coming from Patrick (I’m a Green honest) Harvie who knows full well Independence is coming so will attempt to flex his muscles all over the place threatening to kibosh the budget hinting at not voting with the SNP for a referendum and voting against everything the SNP do unless he gets a lollypop from Derek McKay and he’ll use the phrase *not bold enough* and *existing powers* a lot

This year is Patricks chance to show off and he’ll do it with his little green chest puffed out because Patrick knows the British parties are done for and he’s in with a shout of being important, and Patrick likes that

Let’s see just how far he gets with it, because the FM’s been gentle with him so far, I don’t expect that to happen this year, this year I expect the FM to shake off the consensus politics and go full velocirapter on all of their Arses, and just one mention of Alex Salmond could leave them with big welts on their coupons

It’s time

There’s a poll over on press and journal re indy , which is sitting at 91% for, get tore in .

Sorry can’t do archive
link to pressandjournal.co.uk

The Alex Salmond Show on RT at 7:30am, 6:30pm and 11:30pm.

The Westminster Gov has increased depression. Cold, hungry starving people who worry can’t sleep and get sick. Mental health issues have increased along with the use of anti depressants. The Scottish Gov is having to migrate and alleviate these problems. People are so unhappy because of the policies of the Westminster Gov and their cronies.

Scotland has never been better run. It could be even better without the gross interference of the Westminster policies for which people in Scotland did not vote. Brexit and any reduction in powers will ruin the Scottish economy. Westminster mismanagement has already damaged major industries in Scotland. Illegally and secretly taken Scottish resources,

Links

link to news.gov.scot

link to insider.co.uk

link to centreonconstitutionalchange.ac.uk

IanBlackfordMP: “Prime Minister, your Chequers plan is as dead as a dodo.
link to twitter.com

Best stick with Scottish brand
link to archive.is

EveryScot should watch these SAC meets ups. Starring the feeble Tories..Gaffney and co.
link to twitter.com

link to peterabell.blog

5th column hypocrisy
link to barrheadboy.com

link to rbs.postach.io

Private Finance Initiative: A fraud on the people?
link to rt.com

link to politics.co.uk

Brexit: controlling the debate
link to eureferendum.com

Further universal credits introduction will cut funds to 1.8million working families. Causing further hardship. Adding another 3 weeks wait to the 35 day wait, The Tory Poll tax. System in danger if collapse. Brexit is another Tory Poll tax according to a Tory.

Kirsteen Haire trying to persuade a Tory minster to change a policy the Tories brought in three years ago damaging the farming industry. Limiting seasonal migrant workers. Trying to get cheap publicity. The Tories took the extra EU CAP payments intended for Scottish farmers and gave it to wealthier farmers in the south. Scotland as part of the UK receives the lowest CAP payments in the EU,

The EU costs Scotland nothing and brings benefits. The nearest, biggest markets. CAP payments EU grants and investment. Shared Defence agreements keeping costs down. Support for self determination. Self governance etc. ECHR.

Westminster is a shambles, The LibDem enablers. Tories are dangerous. Labiur are useless. Illegal wars, financial fraud and tax evasion have cost Scotland dear.

BBC Scotland: “Scotland’s productivity levels are stagnating and lagging behind (all?) other EU countries”, as per the David Hume Institute.

And IF the DHI is correct, they forgot to mention, along with the BBC, that Scotland is NOT an Independent country. YET.

Then on came some expert (didn’t get her name) to say that it’s not all bad news. Scotland has a high level of highly educated / skilled workers, it’s management that’s the problem. “Management” the new name for the SNP.

Didn’t think I could loathe slab any more than I already then along comes Rhoda Grant

video here
link to twitter.com

EU citizen voting rights. In the EU countries – EU citizens are only allowed to vote in local, regional and EU elections. Anyone can take citizenship. If EU citizens had not voted in IndyRef.(200,000). Yes could have won. Many voted No in order to stay in the EU. A lie. They should have been allowed to vote in the EURef vote because they are allowed to vote in EU elections.

@Ian B 9.42

Well said fella.

@Clapper 57

A brave post and appreciated.

@Nana

Cheers Nana and yes. Quite a rogues gallery this morning. Mr Tomkins pish and that’s what it is hypocritical pish, does take a fair amount of brasso. I recall that Cameron literally had every overseas favour called in to prevent independence from happening back in 2014. Up to and including begging for aid from Mr Putin and Mr Obama.

The entire focus of their EU strategy back then was to terrify resident EU nationals and pro European Scots into voting ‘the right way’. Today? His party of government are directly responsible for placing these folks citizenship, lives and livelihoods in jeopardy. Today they’re sooper suspicious furriners and shouldn’t be allowed near our sacred democracy or institutions. Uh Huh!

He’s a hypocrite and dishonest as the day is long.

These folk are a mix of new Scots and long term resident guests in our country. Frankly I’d rather have folk who wish to contribute to our lives, communities and culture than any intolerant and untrustworthy Tory such as Mr Tomkins. That’d be any day of the week and twice on a Sunday by the by.

@Nana

See what you mean about Ms Grant. That was an appalling statement to make. 😮

My God Labour! What have you become?

I used to see headlines like this in the past and think, ‘Oh no that’s not good’, now given the number of times the Rev debunks these stories, when I see headlines like this I just think, ‘Well that will be just a lot of bollocks like normal then’.

The UK BritNat media is a busted flush. They have been proven to be nothing more than a mouthpiece for the British State, lying and manipulating facts in their pathetic attempts to make the SNP looks bad purely to save their corrupt and damaging union.

#ScotRef cannot come soon enough.

Thanks for the links Nana.

I see that Adam Tomkin’s is REALLY pushing his luck now with his, “We’ve already seen the Yes Campaign enlist the help of Russia and Iran in its drive to break up Britain. Now it seems that Nicola Sturgeon wants to make it an open global invitation.”

Talk about making your blood boil. Mr Tomkin’s of the Tory Party involved with Cambridge Analytica and god knows who and where, on the Globe, in deriving their bl**dy dirty money and more so technological and psychological support for their political “manipulations”. Dirty money, in part, laundered by the DUP NIreland. Party of the Orange Order. Money linked to Saudi. Then there’s the US and Israel etc, etc.

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And now we’ve got Dimbleby’s QT programme being broadcast from Holyrood next month with Ken MacIntosh, member of Scotland in Union, saying it’s a great idea (or words to that effect). Who’s behind that – NOT – great idea?

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The “expert” I mentioned earlier in relation to the David Hume Institute is in fact Jane Frances Kelly new Director of the DHI, as of last year. Another “newbie” in town, as of last year?! JFK former advisor to Tony Blair. JFK comparing Scotland with “many European countries.” The “many European countries” being independent of course. So much for her expertise.

The findings of their report will be used at FMQs today, no doubt, in particular by Dirty Money Davidson who gave a speech to them in January 2018. Handy start to the new session, eh? 365 days in the year and they select today, of all days. Well co-ordinated, imo.

link to scottishfinancialnews.com

Nana says

link to prospectmagazine.co.uk

This is the sort of article the MSM should running with, but don’t.

Not so long ago, the difference between a hard and soft Brexit was defined as being in/out of the single market. Canada versus Norway.

Recently, the über right has shifted the entire spectrum to the hard end! We now find discussion branding No Deal as hard, and May’s deceased ideas as soft. And anything within the single market seems totally outside the actual definition of Brexit.

This new position taken by the English powers-that-be is important for Scotland.

It means we now know that they plan a hard to very hard Brexit, which is all outside the realms of acceptability.

Nicola/SG/SNP should now be openly opposing all of this madness.

There are now two classes of MP in the HOL

link to twitter.com

Hopefully we will soon be leaving that dishonourable house

@Ian brotherhood @Clapper,

Thank you for your wonderful posts last night with which I am just catching up. Got me thinking.

Our strength on Wings is indeed our sense of Community. Though I have never met many of the contributors,I feel part of their lives resides within me on a daily basis. Their triumphs like Chic and his initiative with the National and their resolute determination to be wrong or angry all the time, like Rock.

We have a common bond that gives us strength and a sense of purpose to see this journey through till it’s end, however long that takes.

You are never alone on Wings. You have brothers ,sisters,comrades in arms, all focused on a common end, and that is in turn creating a sense of belonging.

We are lucky to have found such an outlet for our frustrations,which in turn solidifies our sense of purpose.

Life will never be seamless for anybody,but friends ,colleagues,whatever you want to call the Wings contributors,help to shift the burden we carry on this road we travel.

Thank you both.