Fakers gonna fake, fake, fake, fake, fake
The very strange man who is David Leask, chief reporter at the Herald, has been hard at work with a shovel ever since we ran a couple of stories on Monday.
Accusing this site of publishing “an implausible blog about our paper this week, based on some unchecked &, well, weird assumptions”, he curiously neglected to specify what those assumptions might have been, while embarking on a long, rambling and bewildering rant about what does and doesn’t constitute “fake news”.
Leask’s argument, at least in so far as we can make any sense of it at all, is that even deliberately and knowingly made-up lies printed in mainstream newspapers are not, and can never be, “fake news”.
That’s a term which he insists only applies to spoof sites pretending to be real news outlets, which we’d presume – although it’s by no means clear – means the likes of The Onion or the Daily Mash.
Which is an odd angle.
For one thing, there’s already an official definition of the term – one which was arrived at with much public ceremony – and it’s nothing like the one Leask is using.
On any traditional reading of English, that description applies to, for example, this week’s demented newspaper coverage of the official flying of flags in Scotland, which the Scottish Daily Mail has apologised for today and for which we expect the Express and Telegraph to follow suit under pressure from the Scottish Government.
All of the papers’ headlines were certainly “false” (hence the apology), and certainly “sensational” (being front-page splashes screaming about personalised attacks on the Queen and her family), and they were most certainly “done under the guise of news reporting”. So they were fake news, right? Not according to David Leask. They were in the Mail and the Express, so apparently they CAN’T be fake.
But as he’d attacked us (again) as part of this debate, we thought we should address Leask’s claims about this week’s Wings pieces commenting on the Herald’s front-page lead on Monday, in so far as we could work out what he was actually claiming.
The only problem with these assertions is that they’re, to use another technical term:
Leask was trying to pretend that the Herald’s front page was justified on the basis that Oxfam releases short blogs along with its reports, which are tailored to particular countries. In the case of the Monday report, that blog was this one, which quoted Glasgow-based Oxfam researcher Dr Katherine Trebeck.
But we’d known about, acknowledged and reported Dr Trebeck’s comments. (We’d linked in one of our posts to an extended article she wrote for Holyrood Magazine on the subject, published the same day.) She was making generalised comments about inequality in Scotland, pointing out that while the Oxfam report released that day was global and didn’t mention Scotland, inequality was “also” a problem there.
But that wasn’t what the Herald said. It didn’t say “a new report has been issued on global inequality, which is also a problem in Scotland”. The Herald couldn’t possibly have been any clearer that its headline – “SCOTLAND’S WIDENING INEQUALITY GAP IS ‘OUT OF CONTROL'” – was current and referring to the report itself.
All emphases below are ours.
“A new report from Oxfam reveals that in Scotland, the richest one per cent has more wealth than the bottom 50 per cent combined.”
That’s a lie.
“Oxfam has just published a report that seeks to expose the extent of the gap and its effects in Scotland.”
That’s a lie.
“Oxfam’s report says the top one per cent in Scotland own more wealth than the bottom 50 per cent put together”
That’s a lie.
The report released on Monday said none of those things. It didn’t mention Scotland anywhere, let alone “reveal” anything or “expose” anything about it. And nor did Dr Trebeck reveal or expose those things.
The statistic about the richest 1% owning more wealth than the bottom 50% that she mentions briefly in passing came from a report published nine months earlier, to which neither her blog post nor her Holyrood Magazine article made any explicit reference and which is not mentioned or linked to in the report Oxfam published on Monday.
What’s more, as the paragraph below from the April 2017 report shows, it was citing figures from a single period between 2012-14, and notes that there is no more recent data available to draw wider conclusions from.
So we also know that this line from the Herald story:
“The gap between the rich and the poor is not a faraway crisis, says the charity; it is right here in Scotland and it is getting worse.”
…is at best unproven and years out of date, and at worst could be outright false (for more than half of the period measured inequality in Scotland was apparently falling), yet the Herald presents it unequivocally as new and accurate information.
Once again, as we’d pointed out on Monday, we’re not for one second disputing that there’s massive inequality in Scotland, just as there is in every single country on Earth. Inequality is the most fundamental characteristic of capitalism. That’s how capitalism works. Saying there’s a lot of inequality in capitalist economies is like saying there’s a lot of water in the sea. What we’re talking about is terrible journalism.
The Herald ran a massively misleading story pretending that information existed which simply doesn’t exist. It created a sensationalist headline out of a single throwaway half-sentence in what amounts to an opinion column based on questionable figures from years ago and pretended that it was hard data from a brand-new scientific survey.
At the very best, that’s producing a broadsheet newspaper on the basis of “unchecked and weird assumptions”, ironically enough. If only there was some shorter, punchier phrase for that.
Brilliant job Stu, absolutely slayed him.
Leask is basically saying any news that ridicules Scotland or the SNP without any basis or proof is not fake news, if it were the other way about he would be saying it’s proof of fake news he is showing his bias to protect the British establishment, the sooner we are out the UK the better a bill would have to go through hollyrood demanding impartiality from any media outlets that wish to work in Scotland
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Did Leasky just make a claim that they had access to country specific info about Scotland from Oxfam and that is why the Herald article wasn’t misleading?
But if the Herald DID receive country specific info on Scotland, why is none of it detailed in their article?
Surely if they had access to such info they would have mentioned the numbers in order to justify or illustrate the claims in the article? I mean, why on earth would they leave them out?
The absence of this data from the article leads me to believe it doesn’t exist.
I suppose a quick phone call to Oxfam will clear this up once and for all?
Hi Stu. Your previous article “Keeping the Peace” is producing an “Error 404 – not found” response when I try to access it. Any thoughts? Thanks.
Willie Rennie journalism:
You didn’t say it but I know you’re thinking it therefore I condemn you as (insert adjectives and slurs here)
The truth as the media thinks or hopes it to be, and even if it’s not that’s hardly the point of the exercise
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Is it just me, or are others having an issue reposting this article by Stu to Facebook?
Never had a problem before.
Mr Leask, might not realise it, but he’s helping to damage the Herald’s credibility, which will manifest in continuing falling sales.
Newsquest, might think that portraying Scotland as some kind of basket case is good for the union. However I’d imagine sales and credibility should matter more, if there’s still any journalistic integrity left at the Herald that is.
Mind you the BBC are to pay for “local journalists” I’m pretty sure Newsquest is to benefit from that.
Very well said, Rev.
Amidst all the escalating Britnat duplicity, it is so important to know that YOU will never allow the Party to get away with “two plus two equals five”.
(And respect to The National for yesterday’s headline: “The Lying’s Rampant”.)
Is the BBC going to apologise for running this? Don’t hold your breath …
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Stan Wilson, why dont you just share on facebook, WOS is on Facebook as well!!!
There are certainly problems in the mainstream Yoon media.
There are those things they want to hear and those things they do not want to hear.
They know what you are saying is accurate Stu, but it would damage their fragile self opinionated view of the world to admit it. How could some blogger from Bath have a clearer view of the world that ME, a recognised expert in my field.
What the Yoon media now lacks is very important . It is integrity. They are left holding the rags of their dishonesty , not only to themselves, but to their readership, because they know deep down they are lying.
I am afraid the mainstream media has gone away beyond redemption. It is a political vehicle to maintain an ever diminishing State, at a tremendous cost to itself.
Thankfully, and I mean this as no false compliment, there remain journalists like yourself, holding on to the truth whilst the rest diminish. I wish publications like Bella etc would do as you do, but you can see the rot setting in slowly.
Stay strong and honest Stu. Tell it as it is, rather than what we want it to be.
Great work Rev, another devastating exposure of the joke that is Scottish ‘journalism’. Big question – how do we get these articles out into the big wide world? Sharing, re-tweeting etc is largely ineffective due to the echo chamber effect. Why does The National not take up these articles? Any other ideas, eg billboards?
Skewered him, Rev. Nicely done.
PS – I like the new ‘IGNORE’ button. I can see I’ll be using that on a few trolls on here. Ta.
I’m sure most people will agree with the principle of freedom of speech – the right to offend, misinform, bamboozle, con and all that. Whether news is considered by some to be fake or not, those spreading the story have a freedom and right to publish and be damned. As long as people are held to account.
The problem with this latest crude effort to ban certain items of news is simple:
Who decides what news is “fake” or not?
Its a slippery slope indeed. 🙂
I think one of the assumptions is that because the Herald has printing presses, journalists and a history, that it can not be a fake news purveyor.
Lets’s be blunt, fake news means press, TV or other channels telling lies knowingly.
I have always viewed the herald as a paper that has distorted news to its editors opinion, lying has been core to achieving its editors goal.
Now we have channels and forums that can take their editor’s view to task immediately in real time, bypassing the dealy of the postal sysatem.
the herald have been caught of guard by new technology and people’s behaviour in switching away from buying papers, the herald now finds itself and its employees in a weak position. In response the herald uses its communication power to counter those who would expose the papers views as lies. This behaviour will be terminal for it.
The herald is on its way out like many other papers in Scotland, it’s in its death bed, rightly so, they have resorted to lying rather than presenting the news faithfully. I say this as an ex reader.
The man is an absolute idiot. Cannot wait for these people to become a total irrelevance when Scotland becomes Independent.
I love the way you take apart Leasky’s papers output ( won’t use it’s name as it signifies honour & integrity which doesn’t exist within that organisation). In a few short paragraphs you demolish his crappy argument & he has nowhere to hide.
It’s the most polite way of saying bollocks that I’ve ever seen/heard. More power to your elbow & Keep up the good work.
BTW have you seen that Indiegogo is closing – moving to selling Bitcoin I expect
The biased Westminster controlled Press is a disgrace. Owned by tax evading Non Doms. A total joke. They are ruining their own industry. Regurgitated lies. They can’t count or read a balance sheet. Most of them should hang their head in shame. Murdoch is a criminal. Hacked phones and bribed public officials. Surveilled people. Then destroyed evidence. Responsible for death and destruction world wide. Illegal wars, financial fraud and tax evasion.
They are jealous of sites like Wings. They make a better living. Jealousy is a terrible thing. The internet calling the bastards out.
When it comes to journalism the likes of David Leask is just no match for the forensic dissection that Rev Stu undertakes. These people just spout verbal diarrhoea and expect nobody to question it. When they are exposed with an analysis such as this there is never even an acknowledgment of their mendacity far less an apology.
DL, and anyone else thinking about drivelling in public like this, should perhaps think twice about the veracity of their drivel before they do.
Another awful display of how professional liars go about their daily business.
His “hyperpartisan bloggers” is very creepy too, from the most hard core right wing gutter media of any western democracy, probably.
By Herald logic a report saying “world economy is in good shape with x growth” could be changed to “Scotland’s economy…” But they never makes these “mistakes” with positive stories 😉
Oh, that’ll leave a mark.
Mr Leask should also maybe consider that newspapers themselves aren’t above bias and hyperpartisan attitudes, or perhaps he missed the past week altogether somehow? A fake is a fake and a lie, however well laid out in type and four colour, is still a lie.
I guess a Journalist like Leask was asked to produce the article and was given a brief of the line to be taken.
I do not think he would have come up with such a misleading report on his own and it would not get past editorial control in any reasonable paper unless the instruction from above was to “make it up”.
So will he come clean and say why he made up such a load of tripe.
Certainly if he says he was told to he will not have a job but he will have some integrity
I’m an old guy (that’s code for ‘nearly dead’) and must necessarily choose my projects carefully, time being of the essence.
So, my options:
(1) Explain to David Leask that he is mistaken.
(2) Explain Galois Theory to my cat.
I’m going to go with with (2). It’s feasible. It’s fun. And our Molly is the only cat in Airdrie with some sort of handle on disjunct permutations.
From what I can see, it appears Mr Leask penned this on Saltire vs Union Jack as well.
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Well, if Leask thinks it worth mentioning Wings Over Scotland, he’s clearly worried about the impact of this site on public opinion. Excellent!
Another, another day at the not Hyperpartisan UKOK hackdom coalface.
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Stinky olde The Graun’s got the Heil apology for their union jack garbage headlines this week. You can’t actually find it in the Heil this morning either, so god knows what these liggers are on about.
The Guardian non hyperpartisanly called Nic Sturgeon a nazi too. We are certainly up against very aggressive tory liggers or as their S_____D region’s FM puts it,
She added: “Rigorous scrutiny of politicians by a free media is fundamental to our democracy. But when newspapers publish blatant untruths they do a disservice, not just to those they defame, but to the integrity of their trade. That’s why it’s important to challenge falsehoods.”
Oh how UKOK hackdom larfed.
Most of the powers required to properly tackle inequality are reserved to Westminster. How, for example, can Scotland tackle the legal and illegal tax dodging by the wealthiest individuals and businesses that deprives public finances of the resources necessary to tackle inequality?
Stu. I salute your ability to, consistently, debunk these people. Brilliant piece.
With characters like Leask running the show, no wonder the Herald has shredded any credibility it might ever have had, and is plummeting into the worst place for a purported newspaper to be; irrelevance.
Just superb Stu. These two fake stories have really ripped my knitting this week.
Ooyah! That was a belter, Rev. Filleted and served.
One has visions of Leask and his ilk slowly rocking back and forwards mouthing to themselves ‘But I’m a professional..I’m a professional!’…
Excellent, as usual. Many thanks.
Of course, there’s nothing surprising in Leask’s blustering polemic. Why, the man doesn’t seem able to write clear English. But that says it all about the Herald these days. There is no difference any more between tabloids and broadsheets – just as there are no political journalists, only propagandists.
I don’t buy newspapers any longer. Lies, distortions and fake news. Fortunately, their words have less and less power these days.
1). I read the Herald report and since it’s not “one of my things” thought nothing about it, and didn’t check it out.
2). I looked at Wings where it said it had scanned the report and the word “Scotland” (etc). wasn’t even mentioned.
3). I got the report and checked through myself. Scotland was indeed, not mentioned, not only that, the report was very clearly a word report.
4). I went back and commented on the Herald article, as had others.
Conclusion 1: The Hearld article was “Fake News”.
Conclusion 2: without Wings Over Scotland and that article, I’d not ahve known the Herald article weas “fake news, and could and would have been taken in by it.
Conclusion 3: blogs have a part to play in holding traditional media to account
Verdict: David Leask is wrong, and is defending the indefensible.
Brilliant. People like David Leask don’t expect to be criticised by the great unwashed. Yet here we are, reading an expert critique of his illogical position.
It reminds me of that Noam Chomsky clip where he tries to explain to a young Andrew Marr that the state doesn’t need to censor him because he already spouts the correct views having internalised them from an early age. Like teaching a dog a card trick.
BTW I’ve noticed little x marks after commenteer names. I take it that is an “ignore” button. Looking forward to trying it out when a suitable candidate comes along.
I am old school, fake = lies. I see some people on twitter now apologising to the FM for their lies.
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Aaahhh… Davvie Leask.
I blocked and muted the fanny months ago.
Herald going down the swanny, sinking to screaming 128pt headlines of lies while drowning in debt.
If it wasn’t for the 8K copies of the National sold every day, the fanny would be out of a job.
You would expect journos to be good with words, but nah.
Davvie, when you have to dug yourself in a hole so deep that the heat from the rounds of hell melts your face, you should stop.
“world report” not “word report”
I don’t think I’ve ever made a comment to him on Twitter and he blocked me. He seems only to like conversing with people of like mind. Which begs the question–what kind of ‘professional journalist’ would deliberately go out of his way to seek only one side of any issue? His own actions speak very clearly to the conclusion that this man is not, by any reasonable definition, a ‘professional journalist’. Tjose are not the actions of a ‘professional journalist’ but rather someone with a ‘listen to me’ complex.
Welcome to the 21st century, Mr Leask – where your Jackie Baillie gets challenged by the great unwashed. Horrible, innit!
THE REV – GETTING BAMS TELT !
Pants on fire at the Herald.
David Leask defends paper’s credentials by making up more bullshit.
Yeah Right.
You couldn’t make it up. George Orwell tried and produced the mainstream media handbook in the process.
Reminiscent of Margaret Thatcher who regarded ‘Yes Minister’ as a government training manual.
Coffee time online trawl through the giant UKOK tory hackdom news networks, usual vote tory, Rees-Mogg’s a god, SNP bad, S_____d region non existent, OBFA dumped, dancing in the Scotland streets etc.
But at bottom of all beeb Scotland gimp network stuff they’ve slipped this in,
Why you can trust BBC News
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“Our editorial values say: “The trust that our audience has in all our content underpins everything that we do. We are independent, impartial and honest. We are committed to achieving the highest standards of accuracy and impartiality and strive to avoid knowingly or materially misleading our audiences.”
and on and on they beeb gimp drone.
“The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.” ? Ralph Waldo Emerson
We’re certainly counting spoons very fast in Scotland, thanks to WoS.
The Scottish Government produced a report on poverty and inequality in Feb 2017. It covers the period 2012-14 if I remember correctly and maybe earlier.
The Oxfam/Fraser of Allander report of April 2017 may have drawn some of its stats from the SG report.
Sorry cannot give link to SG report – on my mobile at moment. It is on scot.gov web site
I think David Leask is in his own wee “Wonderland”
Not down a rabbit hole but up his erchie where he doesn’t know the year never mind the time of day.
Self sophistry is his trade mark
The pro Union legacy media are using fake news as a propaganda tool.
Their problem is, the concept of fake news itself is being given publicity. People are thinking twice, or looking beyond the upfront story. A lot of naive folks have traditionally believed what they see / hear / read in the media but now that propaganda opportunity is being eroded, slowly.
So the game has become one where fake news is being redefined by those who deploy it, as Stu so eloquently shows here. They want fake news to mean alternative news, and they want their fake news to continue.
There are some pretty fundamental questions in all this.
1) Their Union cannot make a case for it continuation without constantly resorting to fake news as propaganda, what does that say about the Union and its adherents?
2) Why is there very little fake news promoting Scottish self determination or attacking the Union?
Just another wee note…
Dear Journos,
· Respect is earned, not owed.
· Once Respect is lost you can’t have it back.
· Respect is an armour that protects you from attacks. Without it you’re vulnerable.
· Respect is reciprocal and recursive.
Sincerely,
Scotland
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@Proud Cybernat says: 26 January, 2018 at 10:57 am:
“PS – I like the new ‘IGNORE’ button. I can see I’ll be using that on a few trolls on here. Ta.”
All very well, Proud Cybernat, but what if someone thinks of you as a Troll and clicks the, “ignore button”?
Then, of course, you can click to ignore the person ignoring you.
Which may get other commenters to click to ignore both of you and in no time at all Wings will be a nice wee cosy talking shop composed of many little groups all individually talking to only those in their wee private, “clique”.
Indeed a clique of clicks, no less. Perhaps it is time to go commenting elsewhere.
May I suggest that since Dead Tree Scrolls like the Herald Britland and its Edinburgh sister title he Hootsman now number their readership in the thousands, and falling, we cease referring to these post Wizard and Hotspur Unionist comics as ‘mainstream’ media.
Surely the metaphor is now ‘slipstream’ media.
The Herald and hacks like Leask no longer represent the prevailing current of opinion, the direction of movement, or influence in newsbreaking; he is not ‘mainstream’
WoS, WGD,Grouse Beater, Bateman, et al., are the new ‘mainstream media’.
As Leask clearly demonstrates here, he is merely a turbulent flow of hot air driven backwards by the propeller of Truth, as reported here, and in the growing number of independent sites who don’t rely on an unseen US Far Right Sponsor for their wages.
I recall Leask travelling the world during Indyref 1 getting too wee too stupid quotes from furriners…
He is ‘slipstream Sam,whose future is selling advertising space in the Findo Gask Thunderer.
The slipstream media is how I will frame the contributions form the Scottish Rags from here on in.
Stu, they must have your face up on the dart board at Yoon Central by now.
Ace.
DL: ‘That’s right. These are press packs and reports produced by charities for journalists. Reports will also be based on interviews with their officials etc’.
So – we turn around press releases, but try to avoid letting people know that – would be my interepretation. Trust is easily lost, can be regained only with openness, and then slowly.
yesindyref2 says:
Yes, that’s what it’s really all about. Beyond the Scottish/UK political bubbles there is a global phenomenon….
TRADITIONAL MEDIA IS BEING HELD TO ACCOUNT
… like it never has before. And they won’t be enjoying the experience one little bit!
World wide, the media especially printed, has exercised way too much influence over events. Their role should be to inform and to hold those in power to account. Too often, they misinform and wield power.
History books are full of it. When governments seem to over react, you just know there is excessive media influence.
Also, if the media is being used as an instrument of the state, that’s bad. I would venture the option that when the state is being manipulated via rabble rousing by the owners of the media, that’s even worse!
Welsh scion @10.49
re the Biased Broadcasting Commissariat … all the more gob-smacking that they went with the false flag headlines when their own ‘Fact-checker’ clearly points out that the FM was correct all along.
Daily Mail obviously knew it was lying since it dropped the story on day two unlike the Express and Scotsman who still ran with it… and wasn’t it interesting that (t)Ruthless and her band of useless lobby-fodder steered well clear of it at FMQ’s – a sure sign that the whole thing was a set up. It would come as no surprise to learn who had engineered it and i wonder if she can drive a tank!
Once Respect is lost you can’t have it back.
Very true. I read the tory grot that is The Guardian today for decades but look at it now, one of the most aggressive SNP out attack propaganda units going, matched only by massed ranks of beeb gimps in Pacific Quay.
Graun spectacularly celebrated the Orange Order during their spectacular vote NO Scotland 2014, last night SLabour finally or have nearly succeeded in scrapping the OBFA, its a nightmare waiting, yet creepy Graun liggers puff up SLabour and Leonard nobody.
Keeping a region down and in its place, is a very dirty business.
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Corrado Mella @ 11:50:
Oh, surely not. Everyone is capable of taking a wrong path sometime, and it’s human to persist down it some way before finally waking up. It’s the waking up part that’s important.
But the re-acquisition of lost respect is indeed hard to earn, and does require a degree of honesty and contrition.
The Herald specifically could begin that process by finally coming true on its eve-of-indy promise to revise its “no” stance if we were ever to be taken out of the EU against our will.
And cease casting insidious and unwarranted aspersions against our Scottish Government, which is striving to do its best for all of us in very difficult circumstances that are in no way of its own making.
The whole media news industry depends on people believing – or at least wanting to believe – a substantial proportion of what it tells them.
And the jobs of its employees depend on success in this exercise. But unlike the old days, people are not as dependent on journalists for information as they used to be, and they very often get it quickly and with greater detail and accuracy before the hacks can sell their version to them.
So the hacks’ sense of self-importance and their livelihoods are on the line, and they’re really peeved about being taken to task.
The point here is that 3 newspapers ran with the same press release which was prompted by an update in printed advice which should have been done over 7 years ago.
It’s also whether you accept that an element of deliberate lying as defining “fake news”. Which is Leask’s apparent quible. Allows him to excuse a lack of fact checking. Obviously that lack might be understandable if it’s a hot scoop. But given how fast twitter users tracked down exactly what was going on or Sturgeon was at setting the story straight it’s kind of hard to allow that in this case.
Further to which the Mail article on the front page ends with the change being “ratified”. The Express goes a stage further by refering to a snub to the Queen. Elementary fact checking would have shown neither allegations were true.
The facts are that on Royal occasions with agreement from the Queen the Royal Standard of Scotland is to be flown. Also on Remebrance Day the Union Jack is to be flown. In addition on Armed Forces Day there’s a specific flag, which is based on the UJ, that will be flown.
A little off topic Friday fairytale.
The old cybernat shuffled into his kitchen to make his morning coffee, the heady days of fighting for indy were long gone, almost a decade had passed since he had stood weeping for joy in Glasgows recently renamed Freedom Square to celebrate Scotlands rebirth.
He had desperately wanted to go through to Edinburgh and join the festivities in the capital but the M8 eastbound was gridlocked, the trains and buses were not issuing tickets the whole world, it seemed, had descended on Auld Reekie.
As his coffee cooled the old man tried to remember that day, the laughing, crying, singing and of course drinking. He had never really been a big drinker but that day he had sampled everything from vintage Champagne to Buckfast. The over arching memory though was the crying, tears of joy certainly but more than that, tears of relief, a feeling that a great peril had been averted, a disaster avoided.
He wondered what had happened to all the former friends and adversaries in the intervening years. In the period between the Referendum and Independence Day most of the more colourful unionists simply packed their tents, deleted their accounts and faded into obscurity, but not all, Bat guano mental Jill, was found in Fingals cave by some American tourists wrapped in a union flag drinking Gin from a royal wedding mug and singing Jerusalem.
The pundits and politicos did what they do best, they simply reversed their position and said that all they ever wanted was Independence for Scotland done properly.
The BBC quickly became SBC financed through advertising and with a purely Scotland led editorial position. One however, a dog food salesman, who, having become so enamoured with his own voice, could not let it go. He hawked his opinions around any media outlet that would listen, they quickly tired of his graphs and the plaintive wails of “but I’m right, GERS proves it” and refused to take his calls.
Then there was the Cybernat General himself, most had imagined a triumphant return to Scotland, an appointment as Scotlands ambassador to the U.N.( kidding) and celebrations of Asgardian proportions. It was not to be, a few months after the historic vote that returned Scotland to her rightful place in the family of nations, a little piece appeared on WoS, it was very poignant, very short and very final, “WE FUCKING DID IT” and that was it, we never heard from him again.
The internet being what it is the rumours were rife, aliens, kidnapping, MI5, CIA et al.. Most people wondered but hoped he had simply needed a very long rest.
Having finished his coffee the old keyboard warrior thought that he had better get a move on, big day today, now that the Clyde was free of Trident the six biggest oil companies were berthing their exploration vessels at Faslane and Coulport a report was due out today about projected revenues from the new oil fields in the Firth of Clyde.
What he was most excited about was the unvieling of a of a plaque in Freedom Square honouring many of the people and groups that had been at the forefront of the struggle for independence, because after much lobbying, the WoS Logo was right up there in a prominent position.
Thanks Stu.
The Unionists are running scared. When they resort to outright lies and distortions you know they are losing the argument. This along with the flag story reeks of desperation. They seem to be trying to pump these stories out before they go under. They may have controlled the print media in Scotland but they don’t have control on online and increasingly that is where the media battle for indie will be won. Let’s see how the try and play the Better Together card when Davis f*cks up Brexit talks and it starts costing Scottish jobs. That’s a lie they won’t be able to spin. All blame will be put at Tory England’s door. That will easily give indie 10% in the polls and the job will be done. Despite what folks like Leasks has to say about it.
This “Ignore” button means I can now block Trolls like Heedy and Peffers and about another dozen similar Trolls.
No more links to the Guardian from Heedy or 1000 word posts from Peffers.
@David Leask
You’re not thick, simply normatively and ideologically bound to the past. So you will probably still appreciate that once a man in your position has revealed to the public that they are intrinsically dishonest, their value to the Establishment is considerably diminished. Much like your so-called yoonion of equals, no?
You are, no doubt, aware that your actions support the New Right’s heady brew of ‘common-sense’, right-wing populism and English nationalism?
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@ Peter Craig
“WE FUCKING DID IT”
See it. Believe it.
“PS – I like the new ‘IGNORE’ button.”
Wait, is it working? It doesn’t work for me, which is why I deleted the post announcing it.
I understand that in Germany there are rules about where and how apologies and retractions are placed and sized in newspapers.
I’d like to see that here. I’d like to see that here – and I’d like to see it applied to TV as well.
They the media never mention the inequality between Scotland and the rest of the U.K. How the Scots have free student fees free prescriptions free care for the elderly free hospital car parking free roads with no tolls and plans for a no profit energy company all brought in by the bad SNP no they ignore these inequalities because they wish they did not exist and surely all these benefits in Scotland must mean Scotland is the least unequal country in the UK and they the UK media must hate that
Leask confirming what former readers of The Herald have known for some time. And they wonder why the circulation is not quite what it once was, mirroring the curve in quality.
Welsh Sion @ 10.30
Exactly, I think this should have been the 1st apology NS should have recieved and then the unelected Fudo (plug) Fraser , then these rags editors and every other one of the complicit shites .
bjsalba says:
Definitely!
I would go further. From what I read, Canada has laws which ensure that the media can be restricted when it threatens “social harmony”.
In the constitution of iScotland there need to be provision to allow freedom of speech, but balanced with restrictions on ‘hate speech’ and perhaps lessons learnt from Canada’s approach.
The media have an important role to play in a democracy. They should shine a spotlight on government and inform the voters. They must not be allowed to subvert democracy.
This “flaggate” episode reveals that the Unionist papers are desperately trying to activate and hang on to the middle ground of more conventionally-minded readers.
They are the people who will win or lose IR2 for us – the persuadeable 5-10% – so it’s welcome that Nicola, the SG and the SNP are all now beginning to firmly challenge the Leaver/BritNat smears.
Ably assisted, as it happens, by the ever-increasing unbelievability of the aforesaid smears.
The flag story is fake news, it was news seven years ago it is not news now and if its claimed to be news, which its not, then its fake or false news.
Leaks said, Zoomer Demented.
Another Uncle Tom taking the money to ply
Westminster propaganda as the truth and assuring
Us that we are too dumb as a nation to read and
Understand a report.
Is English his main language or just his main interest?
As I said on Twitter, it seems the yoons are allowed to lie with no consequences and yet we suffer when we tell the truth. The world is truly fucked up.
There is only one way to sort this flag thing out.
vote YES next time.
Indy2
Ignored says:
26 January, 2018 at 12:43 pm
This “Ignore” button means I can now block Trolls like Heedy and Peffers and about another dozen similar Trolls.
Honestly? I wish I was a yoon troll, a SLab troll, a tory troll, a FibDem troll, even a Green troll, after watching them last night against the OBFA, but you name it chum, oh how I wish I was a WoS btl yoon troll.
If only because life in teamGB is rather ghastly if you’re not a tory, red and blue, all the awful immorality that comes with voting red and blue tory, let alone actually choosing to be a UKOK hack/propagandist for a career.
But this is what UKOK politics is really, endless lies and deceit, in Scotland.
In England, it does just all seems to work but then the giant beeb gimp network’s really powerful doon there:D
Hope that helps Indy2.
The British invented the modern form of fake news ie false information or black propaganda. In WWI there were stories and images of German atrocities usually involving babies and mothers. In WWII the Political Warfare Executive was active in anti-Nazi, or fake ultra-Nazi, propaganda broadcasting aimed at Germany. The Zinoviev letter was a classic fabrication as was the lurid tale of Sayf al-islam Gadhafi’s involvement in money laundering. Interestingly, a good deal of reportage over the decades from the Arab world is of questionable accuracy; Arabists being something of a rareity.
Fabricated events sell papers. One look at the front pages of the likes of the Express confirms the notion that factual truth is irrelevant
With an active imagination you’re never stuck for ‘news’. The dividing line between fake and plain lying is, of course, a matter of the items functionality.
Right, I don’t know if I’ve missed something. I’m getting a small grey cross at folks names and when I hovver on it it states ignore ‘name’.
Does anyone know if it works as I am not wanting to accidentally ignore someone, well not yet anyway. Lol.
@ One_Scot – turns out everyone was discussing this earlier on a previous thread. If you click on the x a box appears saying “Ignore”. The post is still there but I suppose it helps with scrolling past people you don’t want to read.
Leask and his British Nationalist partners are fair mad at you Stu because they want their Fake News to go out without a “blogger from Bath” analysing their news. He,he!
Stan Wilson@10.46 I couldn’t post anything Indy related to Facebook this morning for 2hrs, nor could I share. Technical problem or………….
@ Rev
Wait, is it working? It doesn’t work for me, which is why I deleted the post announcing it.”
Hmm – not sure, Rev. Not entirely sure how it’s supposed to work. I clicked to block a poster just a couple of mins ago, refreshed the page and I could still see their post. Not sure if it only works with subsequent posts they make (i.e. after I clicked to ignore them).
The ignore button is actually worse than useless. At least on my browser it puts a sodding great green cross besides the users name highlighting it and drawing your attention to their posts.
The stench of self-righteous entitlement from Leask is quite overwhelming. Leask is taking the peassk, safe in the cowardly knowledge that others of his ilk and in his metier will protect & support his unhinged ‘logic’.
Rev. Stuart Campbell
26 January, 2018 at 12:46 pm
“PS – I like the new ‘IGNORE’ button.”
Wait, is it working? It doesn’t work for me, which is why I deleted the post announcing it.
NO, does not seem to do anything other than put up an ‘ignored’ tag beside the poster.It is meant to make their posts disappear. Might be because you are using another plugin to handle comments? Shame, it would have been a great feature.
“Keeping the Peace” piece showing “Error 404 – Cannot be found”.
Nothing in archives.
Problem?
The Ignore plugin has been deactivated. Please stop talking about it (which includes “Keeping The Peace”) now.
Never been able to take this purveyor of fake news seriously.
Leask has an uncanny resemblance to Wallace and Gromit.Both of them.
His and the Herald’s brand of fake news belongs in the same fantasy world as his more illustrious lookalikes.
Thought I would just sneak this last one in before the IGNORE button is up and running properly.
Been nice knowin’ y’all 🙂
Excellent article Stu keep up the great work.
To be fair to this poor wee chap oor Stu wrote his article about the Herald’s headlines here on planet Earth. The problem is that the poor wee man is defending the Herald’s headlines in the alternate universe in which oor poor wee man normally resides.
Obviously when people on planet Earth only ever see ONE version of the headlines it is clearly OUR fault because WE are unable to acquire the Herald that is printed in the alternate universe to find out the REAL truth as opposed to the PRETENDY truth we all see here on Earth! 😀
Whether its flags, Oxfam reports, or whatever, it seems that one member of the dubious press concocts a story, then the rest tweak it a bit before circulating the same story. No journalism is involved, but plagiarism seems to run rampant among the hacks and the papers they work for, even despite ‘egg on the face’ consequences.
A great dissection.
There is an interesting phenomenon nowadays of of expecting Newspapers and other media to be if not ‘truthful’ at the very least conscientious in checking the veracity of their output. How old is bollox and how new is fact checking? Let’s find out on t’internet :
“The first regular source of Political Fact-Checking appears to have been a blog launched by the United Kingdom’s Channel 4 News in 2005, to cover a parliamentary election”
(The Rise of Fact-Checking Sites in Europe
Reuters Institute / University of Oxford)
link to bit.ly
We really don’t trust our media – they know why, but they are somehow powerless to change it.
“Among those who do not trust the news media, the main reasons (67%) relate to bias, spin, and agendas. Simply put, a significant proportion of the public feels that powerful people are using the media to push their own political or economic interests, rather than represent ordinary readers or viewers. These feelings are most strongly held by those who are young and by those that earn the least.
• In many countries, particularly the US and UK, some media outlets are seen as taking sides, encouraging an increasingly polarised set of opinions. Others are criticised for not calling out lies, keeping information back, or creating a false equivalence of partisan opinions that are obscuring facts and understanding”
(Bias, Bullshit and Lies – Audience Perspectives on Low Trust in the Media – Reuters Institute / University of Oxford)
link to bit.ly
Since the dawn of time ‘News’ was word of mouth and much of it hearsay and nonsense. Getting to the truth of the matter has always been acknowledged as difficult. The earliest ‘press’ publications were villified even in the 1600’s. Newspapers borrowing and regurgitating from one another is centuries old. In fact pretty much from the outset was standard practice. The 1800’s and the rise of Anglo-American newspaper publications brought with it sensationalism and dare I say ‘Fake News’ in the era of ‘Yellow Journalism” Fact checking was a novelty and barely had traction into the 1920’s. The Pulitzers both published ‘Yellow Press’ and without a hint of irony, pushed for greater accuracy.
“The ‘Bureau of Accuracy and Fair Play’… (introduced in 1913 in ‘The New York World’) …was focused on complaints, looking “to correct carelessness and to stamp out fakes and fakers.” They would keep track of who was making errors, to catch repeat offenders. At the time, the idea was termed a “novel departure” by an industry publication, but it still concentrated on reprimands and apologies rather than preventing those errors from making it to print”
(Here’s How the First Fact-Checkers Were Able to Do Their Jobs Before the Internet – TIME magazine)
link to bit.ly
Having the State control the media goes as far as 1538 : “Henry VIII of England decreed that all printed matter had to be approved by the Privy Council before publication” and having ‘Anti Scottish’ rants is not a new phenomenon.
The journalist and a politician John Wilkes was at it in the 1700’s – “When the Scot John Stuart, 3rd Earl of Bute, came to head the government in 1762, Wilkes started a radical weekly publication, The North Briton, to attack him, using an anti-Scottish tone”
(Wikipedia)
link to short1.link
I’ll stop there, there is nothing new under the sun.
In my youth my father told me ‘never believe anything you read in a newspaper, not even the fitba’ results”. Rubbish has been published for centuries – but people still seem astonished it happens ! Thankfully and increasingly, people are demanding accuracy of reporting and doing their own fact checking.
Devastating critique. Will Leask do the decent thing ? The Herald died with Ian Bell
A good journalist would take the Oxfam report and do a bit of legwork to find more detailed statistics that would let us compare the inequality in Scotland to the rest of the UK, Europe, and the world.
That would be interesting.
But it would require effort.
Peter Craig Fae wan auld fulla tae anither the SBC would need a Editor ( non better than The REV ) but in saying that the last paragraph re the Plaque ( Not for Glory Not For Riches Not for Honours ) .
To the Future in a INDEPENDENT SCOTLAND Cheers .
Where’s this feking button x
Every official public complaint about the UK gutter press should also now include reference to the politically motivated UK Regime’s Fake News unit.
Looks like Mr Leask’s blood temperature is reaching boiling point. Probably over boiling point after reading Wings today. Good!
Pretty soon these “newspapers” won’t be able to afford the paper they’re printed on thanks to Journalists such as bawfaced Leask.
@Peter Craig
Give me back my time machine!
Excellent piece Rev.I earnestly hope you carry out a similar forensic dissemination on the work (I wont call it journalism) of one Thomas Gordon.
We’ll aw jist huv tae continue manually ignoring each other noo 😉
It is a joy that the Mail’s tiny apology is headline news across the media.
Their fake news is outed and they are discombobulated. 🙂
Of course the other 99% of crap they spout is little better but small victories remind the readers that the media is not to be trusted.
@Peter Craig
A braw wee cameo there! 🙂 I’d settle for that.
@Petra
“a smirk in a suit” Captured him in a sentence.
PS: This morning.
My 83 yr old Daily Mail acquaintance in the cafe this morning broke into my thoughts while doing the X-word in The National.
“Terrible all this knife crime in Scotland” says she ..??
“Shurley schome mishtake”..says I (best James Bond acc)
“You mean London and darn Sarf”?
“No Scotland” says she…
Jings!
Print oot this for her call me dave:
How Scotland reduced knife deaths among young people
link to archive.is
The more these British nationalist newspapers stories are exposed as fake news to the public.
Then the quicker they lose influence and what credibility they have and their sales continue on a downward spiral.
Waffle Friday did you’s know there’s big discounts oan Waffle , ah couldn’t possibly mention Waffle without mentioning David Davis .
@Rev
Back in the heady days of a Demon TAM a guy called Richard Clayton (you never know, perhaps RFC’s were named after him) and his team put together the Turnpike suite. I still use the email, best not on the market or supported anymore.
Turnpike had a newsreader, you could killfile a poster, but also wth a custom rule kill all responses to that poster. You could even kill whole threads, and not even download them. Or another custom rule to not download posts with say $$$ in them.
Would there be anything on the market like that, you could get your webhost to install on the dedicated server for you? It’d have to be dual mode – default and “expert” user for us readers / posters. Preferably with perhaps a text file that gets stored on our devices for those security-minded folk like me that run ccleaner to delete all cookies 2 or 3 times a day.
K1 (K1 says:
26 January, 2018 at 2:33 pmWe’ll aw jist huv tae continue manually ignoring each other noo ? )
Aye but we Wingers do it with ah smile an ah good degree of hilarity ( smilies )
@Rev
Actually if your server is running any Linux, there’s probably free software to download, and supported with a users forum. Back in the 90s I got a chat program I installed for one website but had to get rid of in the end after a few break-in attempts (which failed), as it would have taken too long to rewrite it any more to make it totally [1] secure. I thik that was Matt’s archive all the same!
[1] as totally as anyone can get, with security these days.
@call me dave
Can’t think what to do about the 83 year old lady who visits your cafe. If you took her Daily Mail away then she might not come back. You could show her this but she most likely would think it’s false news. In addition to the link K1 added there is also this.
link to archive.is
I had to think twice about linking to this BBC article from two days ago because although it states that knife cime in England & Wales has risen by 26% in the last year it does not state the figure for Scotland though it does say:
Knife crime in England and Wales is rising, but an initiative in Scotland has seen a significant fall in the number of stabbings.
It’s a very poor piece especially the headline, you read that headline then forget everything else but the truth is this is not “Fake News”.
Last year, more than 35 children and teenagers were killed with knives in Britain, but none were in Scotland.
@K1
Thanks for the article ‘which I never seen’ although I knew in a general way how the Scottish situation from a few years ago had been tackled and with much success.
I had a go at imparting such knowledge but but…she was referring to a Scottish school where a pupil had been stabbed …and had no concept of the London ‘crisis’ or about the contrast between Eng & Wales V Scotland.
She’s a lost cause really… 🙂 True Blue and loves Queenie too!
A new Bill for Crown estates
link to scottishfinancialnews.com
@call me dave
Worth the effort though, all it needs is remove one brick to disturb her faith in the Mail, and the rest comes tumbling down.
Not only for her, she’d probably be the bestest YES campaigner ever after that!
@ Call me Dave
Cut the Daily Mail banner and stick it over ‘The National’ banner and hand her the paper. Sit back and watch her face.
Not sure if that would be considered ‘Fake News’ or not because she’d actually be getting the truth for once albeit under a fake banner.
@@call me dave
Just thinking, use the Mail against her. Show her that retraction they published apparently on page 2, of flaggate – with if you can get it, the original Mail article.
Little acorns …
I’m a little late onto this one but I think it’s worth saying this anyway. What purpose do they think their attacks on blogs like this achieve? Like many others on here I used to be a regular reader of the Herald. I stopped buying because they were becoming less and less trustworthy as a paper (and this applies to other papers too). They have become worse since I stopped meaning there’s no way I’m ever going back. They seem incapable of realising that a bit of honest journalism might bring back some lost readers. But then perhaps they don’t want us back. We are after all the people who saw through them and would continue to be critical (and leave again because) of any lapse back to bad habits. I think their owners must see them as mere propaganda outlets and could care less about their future as long as they do a job for the moment.
Call me dave
On a good news day for Scotland when news media we’re engaged with Scotlands Knife crime initiatives & people from other parts Ie London coming to Scotland to meet with Police to initiate the same practices in London , & some pupils from Barmulloch stab a 14 boy .
Re. bollocks merchant David Davis and the magical properties he would have us believe of Brexit, which is the articulation of populist, English nationalism and signals Britain’s commitment to a “race-to-the-bottom”.
link to blogs.lse.ac.uk
link to ox.ac.uk
link to politics.co.uk
@Street Andrew says:
26 January, 2018 at 11:43 am
Reminiscent of Margaret Thatcher who regarded ‘Yes Minister’ as a government training manual.
Not really. She was fond of it because it reflected her prejudices. In fact Civil Servants were obliged to do as they were told and mostly did but they were also obliged point out problems (how to finance, feasibility etc). She (and her cronies) didn’t want to listen to any sensible criticisms or watering down of her policies – either by the “Wets” or Civil Servants. So she initiated a policy of undermining the Civil Service and politicising it (“is he one of us?”). “Yes, Minister” was useful propaganda for her because, exaggerating for the comedy, it made out politicians were the tools of Civil Servants. As a result of this and the removal of the long time period before taking jobs with companies they had dealings with (and New Labour encouraged this too) we have the current corruption and revolving door between government and big business.
politicalscrapbook.net/2018/01/media-delivers-brutal-verdict-on-theresa-mays-davos-speech/#more-69901
The Empires dead but they won’t bury it lol
Brilliant work yet again by the Rev. Rabid Britnat media excuses are truly Alice-in-Wonderland stuff.
The British nationalist media’s anti-Scottish propaganda will backfire. Britnat media is rotten to the core; its demise is imminent.
We must keep the pressure on these Britnat liars.
I’m expecting to hear an apology from BBC Scotland tonight
A sparsely attended speech seemingly,
From the New York Times: Theresa May Arrives in Davos as U.K.’s Post-‘Brexit’ Slide Continues
“Britain’s stature on the world stage has diminished, and its economy has sagged. The former colonial empire has been reduced to a lesser actor, a reality that hit home on Thursday as Mrs. May delivered a sparsely attended speech before the World Economic Forum…
“…The day before, President Emmanuel Macron of France had received rock star-style treatment from a packed crowd that waited nearly an hour for a chance just to get into the room where he was to speak. People who arrived a moment before Mrs. May’s speech found empty seats within a few rows of the stage…
“…She cast Britain as a country that is not in retreat. ‘The United Kingdom has a proud history of stepping up and seizing the opportunities of our time,’ she said. ‘We stand ready to do so again.’ By that point, several people attending the speech were standing and walking toward the exits.”
One day she will get a standing ovation when everyone stands up and pelts her with rotten veg.
Is it not the case that once the State sponsored Media is committed to a lie, there is no going back, as fear of the consequences of telling the truth increases with every additional lie. Its a vicious circle with a noose at the centre.
Take for example the very British lie that Scotland is too poor.
If The Herald were to print the truth about Scotland’s vast wealth for a few days, the Colonial balloon would burst, Independence would follow and the British Establishment would be bankrupt.
It is to avoid this end that the lies must continue and so The Herald and all the rest of the Media have no choice but to lie – until after Independence, when there would be no point,for the whole world would then see the truth that Scotland was very very wealthy.
So there is a lot of pressure on guys like Leask to lie his butt off.
O/T slightly but still the Herald.
They seem to be trying to squeeze more mileage 0out of the flags story. Scotland Office refusing to apologise for Mundell’s remarks on the subject in Parliament- it is behind the pay wall but you can see enough to get the picture
link to archive.is
O/t Despite the trolls advice I still think that the SNP government should as a matter of decency promise that as soon as Scotland becomes independent that they will pay at least the European Union average old age pension.
Doing that would probably ensure a yes vote in indy referendum 2.
Indy Scotland should be an example of fairness, not a mean and bitter state like the uk .
We can and must be better.
Life expectancy is less in Scotland, that alone is justification.
The Scottish government has shown that it cares for all the people of Scotland,this would show it.
Aye Ronnie. Ahm always smiling through the tears 😉
manandboy says:
It’s like some semi religious tale from a 1950s children’s short story about the immorality to telling fibs.
One fib leads to a bigger fib and suddenly your soul is damned and lost forever … or something quaint like that.
Their Union has lost any meaningful worth now – built on deceit, hypocrisy, and false promises.
Iain – What Scotland needs is a root and branch review of pension provision, the public sector pensions constantly outperform the private ones and more and more people are being pushed into company schemes, I’m sure, with a view to stopping the old age pension all together but Govt of all persuasions wont touch public sector pensions as they are too lucrative to the political class. I wouldnt be surprised if every additional penny of income tax is just going to shore up the public pensions hole and not direct to the service that it has been politically geared at.
@ auldhighlander
Aye, thon May could empty a bus shelter in a blizzard
BBC Scotland has now downgraded the Daily Mail’s “apology” to the politics section. Will it survive to tonight’s Reporting Scotland? It would be a nice surprise if they keep it in. I’m not holding my breath!
Legerwood @ 16:31,
Mundell’s attempted manipulation is quite brazen, if also transparent. The worst Scottish Secretary ever by a long way (and that’s saying something, given most of his predecessors). He is probably being kept on by Treeza specifically because he’s a total muppet, a pathetic pushover.
It’s cute, really, the way the Tories first set their fake hare running, and its utter falsity having been exposed, are now trying, with the help of their usual media pals, to blame Nicola for starting it!
One is tempted to respond to him in kind:
“It beggars belief that, at a time when your party is furiously alleging that the sky is falling in on all public services in Scotland, its chief priority is – ahem – flags.”
Tell you what I believe is also behind this fake news rubbish. It’s that many people in Scotland are voting with their feet by refusing to pay the telly tax.
In 2016 the last figures I can find 10% of households in Scotland were classed as “evading” the TV licence compared with only 6% in England and 6% in Wales.
For arguments sake let’s say that the Scottish figure had increased to 12% in the last two years. That would surely set alarm bells ringing in Downing Street.
“We’re losing control” which they are but they’re not going to tell you that are they.
Don’t watch their propaganda and definitely don’t pay for it.
More good stuff from WGD:
link to weegingerdug.wordpress.com
Has anyone else noticed that the BBC website very briefly carried an item about the Mail’s apology to Nicola Sturgeon, albeit blaming AS instead, but very quickly replaced it wit a report about the dangers of magnetic putty? I kid you not. I’m not savvy enough to have copied it. Did anyone else see this?
What I remember of the schoolboy stabbed in Aberdeen is that there was already a Holyrood backed initiative by the Police to visit schools and the local educational council declined participation.
Whether that was a self satisfied assurance that that kind of thing only happened in more scummy schools, a matter of political intransigence or both is up to debate.
The tragic consequences aren’t.
The Herald now has a circulation of less than 25,000 copies per day, and falling dramatically each year as the dumbest of its subscribers finally realises that it now just a propaganda pamphlet with adverts.
People like Leask have been happy to scrafice, the paper, journalism, and Scotland to their own Tory Westminster end.
Sorry to see such noble history die, but its riddled with cancer
and has no quality of life.
Effijy @ 18:44,
It’s more a Labourite end (assuming there’s much difference), together with just a hint of an Orange Order / Loyalist thread running through. Don’t forget the heavy treatment it handed their sports staffer Graham Spiers when he got a little toooo close to the truth…
The 77th must be having their tea, I’ve not been rubbished by trolls.
Scotland needs a decent public sector old age pension, people do not want to spend their retirement years in poverty.
In many communities in Scotland, the state old age pension is an unobtainable dream.
Scotland must face up to the challenges of 90% of all jobs disappearing in the next 20 years to robots and automation of most professions.
We must have a plan.
In Leask world THEY decide what YOU will read and it must be true because THEY have presented it.
This is the same media who have presented propaganda for the union and the Royals for decade after decade. They are now upset because they have been caught lying…not on one story but in a consistent and measurable manner the presses started rolling.
The MSM are no longer trusted because they lie, select sound bites, demonstrate bias, select the stories to cover, focus on negative news etc, etc.
May the end for the Herald and Scotsman have a quick end.
Journalism in the true sense has moved to “reputable bloggers” who report FACTS!
…a novel concept Leask cannot grasp.
Leask and Co would like to return to the 30s and the world of Pathe News shown in the Cinema. Even in the 50s the story of Everest being climbed was kept from the public in order tot to detract from Liz1s coronation.
They want sheep not readers!
What can we do about the Herald, the Scotsman, Daily Record or Sun for that matter?
Well nothing really, we cannot save them as their journalists are destroying their newspaper all by themselves. I’ll shed no tears.
East Neuker
Yip.I saw it this morning – a strong picture of Nicola and and the headline which said Daily Mail apologises to Nicola Sturgeon over flag story.
link to bbc.co.uk this was the link at the time – don’t know if it will work now.
Now the article is tucked in amongst other general items, no photograph and strap line shortened to Daily Mail apologises over flag story.
Have a look at this one – another belter. You can link to it from their article about Trump wanting to visit Scotland, but use this link to get the specific article…
link to bbc.co.uk
President Trump’s uneasy relationship with Scotland. Near the bottom it quotes what the leader of each of the scottish parties has said about Trump accompanied by 6 photos.
The subtitle to these 6 photos says:
The leaders of the main political parties in Scotland elaborate on how they would handle a phone call from US presidential hopeful Donald Trump
Guess who is at photo number One?
1 = Ruth Davidson
2 = Patrick Harvie
3 = Kezia?
4 = David Coburn
5 = Nicola Sturgeon – Leader of the biggest party and the principal politician in all of Scotland by dint of her title of First Minister of Scotland.
6 = Willie Rennie
Subliminal – at every turn they try to trick us!
Dek at 2.02
Indeed. And Joan McAlpine SNP MSP was its acting deputy editor at one point but her politicals tance finished her at the Herald
Newsing the report not reporting the News.
packhorse pete says: 26 January, 2018 at 11:34 am:
“I don’t buy newspapers any longer. Lies, distortions and fake news. Fortunately, their words have less and less power these days.”
Sadly, packhorse pete, it was always thus. The only difference now is that increasing numbers of the electorate, with the assistance of such as Rev Stu Campbell, are now very much better informed and are picking up on things they missed in the past and now know they are being lied to.
I could trot out several very old stories that we old campaigners knew about but we could not get the truth out to the general public. For example we knew about the McCrone Report but could not get this out to the public for two very good reasons.
The SNP were never a wealthy party and the SMSM, and the Westminster controlled propaganda broadcasters, just didn’t propagate the real facts.
Another little news item that the SNP has been telling the public for many years is what the GERS figures were for and why they were total mince. Then there was the SNP campaign that told the World in big black letters:-
IT’s SCOTLAND’S OIL.
–
but most Scots didn’t believe that it was.
Matter of fact lots of, (cough!), Scots still don’t believe it. Yet there isn’t a day goes by that there isn’t some wally or other, right here on Wings for example, claiming to be an independence for Scotland supporter claiming that the SNP/SG/Nicola Sturgeon, Holyrood SNP MSPs, SNP Westminster MPs or the Independent newspaper are either doing nothing or are ineffective and useless.
@call me dave.
Remind her that there was NOT a single knife related death in Scotland in 2017. Not one.
I had a mate who started in philosophy before graduating in AI. That meant we got to play networked arcade games with dudes in MIT’s AI lab. That was thirty years ago but I think there’s still a way to go before the machines take over.
For example, how does AI articulate human values and negotiate social norms? Those are challenging tasks to achieve, I certainly struggled following my brain injury.
link to tandfonline.com
link to multisenserealism.com
link to link.springer.com
Cameron Brodie are you trying to say Murdo Fraser Boris Johnston Ruth Davidson are robots. Surely its wullie rennie that has shown no inteliigence since elected…………… right enough Murdo Fraser could also be AI or is it ArsE.
Hamish100
Definitely the later Hamish. 😉
I stopped my subscription to the Herald at the end of last year and now only get it on a Monday for the wee stinker (my only serious addiction) and on a Saturday for the magazine. I might be able to give up the magazine, but I’m afraid I can’t do without the wee stinker yet. Will I be forgiven?
Patsy Millar’ cant you just take a photo of the Wee Stinker on your phone? print it out and then you dont have to contaminate your hands with that Rag. I say that as a regular reader for over thirty years but stopped getting it in 2013 due the the lies they were printing in the run up to
Indy ref 1
So who gives a toss anyway? Publish some lies about something which most of the population could’nt care less about. Issue an apology. Therefore can publish lies about something of importance. No apology so it must be true. Sounds reasonable.
@ Patsy Millar says @ 7.19:
If you register for E Library at many local authorities you can access full Herald etc for nothing via Press Reader.
Back to the BBC, are they just incompetent or in the words of George Foulkes they are doing it deliberately?
This evening’s report Daily Mails apology regarding the Tory press office release Unionist Flag smear failed to point out that the Scottish Royal Standard was being flown with the Queen’s approval rather than the Butcher’s Apron.
Their coverage implied OK its wasn’t Sturgeon but Salmond to blame .. so just a minor error.
Well worth reading Derek Bateman on this topic
link to derekbateman.scot
RE: mentions of “Yes Minister”.
Peter Jay, one of the writers, was reported to have said that the writers were complimented by both Labour and Tories for getting it right.
This particular clip shows the attitude of the “UK establishment” to “the ordinary people”. It’s one of my favourite sequences from the series.
link to youtube.com
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Hi CameronB Brodie.
I must admit that I don’t always read all your input and links but you’re doing a great job in backing up premises with academic citations.
Mair power ti yir elbow an’ thah’…
Can’t help thinking that something comparatively simple that an independent Scotland could do to help reign in the media would be to require that any corrections be given equal prominence (in terms of column inches, relative position and time on the front page) as the original error? So if $NEWSPAPER has a front-page story for 3 days about how e.g. “Ruth Davidson murders kittens!” which is then shown to be false, then for 3 days their front-page story is either “We where wrong, Ruth Davidson doesn’t murder kittens” or (if it can be proven to be the case) “We lied! Ruth Davidson doesn’t murder kittens” … With no exceptions! Doesn’t matter what else is going on in the world, if the Queen’s died, war’s been declared or a cure for cancer has been found your front-page headline has already been decided upon!
But we have to get to the independent Scotland part first, as we can be pretty sure that the UK’s never going to do this.
@Robert Peffers
“Yet there isn’t a day goes by that there isn’t some wally or other, right here on Wings for example, claiming to be an independence for Scotland supporter claiming that the SNP/SG/Nicola Sturgeon, Holyrood SNP MSPs, SNP Westminster MPs or the Independent newspaper are either doing nothing or are ineffective and useless.”
This, Robert. However, I do think that the influence of MSM is decreasing, day by day. Even the circulation figures don’t reveal the lack of faith that many have in the political content of so-called MSM. People I know buy the Mail for sport, gardening, holiday offers, with no interest in the “Nicola Sturgeon killed my baby” type of drivel.
@ Iain, good idea about the pensions!
What a twisted shite of an excuse for a man that we have for a Secretary of State for Scotland. A candidate for “Fanny of the Week!” if ever there was one!
How can these people get away with this shit? And this is a “quality” paper, not the Daily Mail, the Daily Express, never mind the Sun, the Daily Record or the Daily Star!!!!!!
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RE… The fake Fleg thing..
Well,Well,Well….isn’t it just so interesting that no one is actually suggesting that Queenie be asked about this “Fleg ” thing???
This still seems to be a no go area for the MSM.
If memory serves, there was a Fleg issue in N.Ireland a few years back,did any biddy think to ask the wummin then what she wanted?
Seems tae me she is the very person who could settle it…is she no ?
Hur “pepel” would then be saved from a great deal of uncertainty……. Now apparently “uncertainty ” is the worst thing ever….or so I’ve been told.
Repeatedly.
Dementedly.
Obsessively.
So, I say …….let the wee wummin speak……!
Has anybiddy asked her?
But seriously this is the one place “the establishment” won’t go….we can use that…
The Media,( and not for the first time ) have manufactured an attack on the Crown!
They forget…or choose not to remember…. The Scottish Crown….is beholden to us….Mibbi it’s no the BBC we should be writing to after all??
It wouldn’t suit the MSN agenda to look too closely at what’s really going on. One could easily spin this into a demand that the Royal Standard be torn down and replaced by the much superior Union Jack. Obviously the Lion Rampant having a far longer history than it is irrelevant.
“British officials are in discussions with Brussels about extending the Brexit transition period to almost three years, The Telegraph has learnt.”
What matters most to WM? IMO, the continuation of UKOK and their Union.
Keeping EU ‘business as usual’ almost up until Holyrood2021 and avoiding an excuse for IndyRef2 could be their strategy.
If they can hold out for three years, then achieve a pro Union majority in Holyrood, then they are ‘home and dry’ effectively forever.
Will that strategy work? Not if we make a good case for Indy above and beyond Brexit.
@Robert Peffers area: More than mine
There are folk wiser than me on this whole flag issue and her Maj, but if my memory of history serves me correctly her Maj is Queen of England not Queen of Scotland but Queen of Scots and in that role her job is the protection of Scots as a soveriegn Nation and if she does not do that job well in the people of Scotlands judgement the people of Scotland have the right to replace her and select another Queen who we think is more appropriate to the task
Do I have the general gist of this Robert?
Late news from AOL, not a fan but!!
The work of Scottish health workers around the world was praised by Bill Gates as he heard about initiatives in Africa.
The philanthropist met First Minister Nicola Sturgeon at St Andrews House in Edinburgh and was given a presentation on the work being carried out by NHS Scotland staff in Zambia, Ethiopia and Malawi.
He said: “The Scottish Global Health Collaborative is a really smart idea. We know from the Ebola outbreak that a health crisis somewhere can soon become a health crisis everywhere.
What does EBC scotland have
Irish jobs secure and wait for the squirrel,
Male vulture lays an egg Teachers will strike for a 10% wage rise.
Is this news or just padding to fill the site
Thanks Brian, it’s surprising me the amount of stuff I’d forgotten about. 😉
link to psychologytoday.com
link to ibacs.uconn.edu
link to psypost.org
A transition period is just that. It’s not an extended negotiation so would be part of the Brexit deal nailed down unless a Westminster government threw a strop.
I really wouldn’t assume it would delay indyref2 until 2021. If anything Flaggate has shown Sturgeon’s patience has a limit.
May might try her “now is not the time” schtick again but will be told GTF.
All a 3 year transition allows is an easier continuation of Scotland’s access to the Single Market.
All jolly good, but Leask is right. If a story is wrong in a paper or broadcaster, you have bodies to complain to and it will be addressed (as the IPSO threat got the Mail to correct the fact that the flag change was not on Sturgeon). This is an error by a paper, and is as old as journalism.
Fake news is In the ‘guise’ of journalism, usually from sources with a narrow, one issue agenda to push, such as beirtbart, the daily stormer or the like.
This is not hard to understand.
A three year rather than a two year transition will make very little difference to whether or not Scotland has or should have a second referendum.
Personally I favour going for one in either spring or autumn 2019 but to be honest it would be a gamble with the polls so close. I suppose it will almost always be a gamble until the effects of Brexit are truly felt.
They are being felt now with the devaluation of the pound, inflation over 3% and lower growth than the rest of the EU but I don’t think enough notice or attribute that to Brexit.
The main effects will only be noticed if unemployment starts to rise rapidly, say Nissan was to shut it’s whole operation in Sunderland and transfer it to Portugal or wherever, Yes then people might start to take more notice.
Our problem is that these are all “if’s and buts” and being unable to predict the future if we get it wrong next time then it is certain that another next time would be a long way into the future.
Still spring and autumn of 2019 are still over a year away and things could change a lot between now and then. I hope and wish that we are ready and ably to win our Independence then but for right now at this moment it’s a watch and see.
Not wait but watch, to me that’s the sensible approach for now.
I would urge everybody to go to BBC Ceefax Scotland and see the disgraceful report of the Daily Mail’s apology to Nicola Sturgeon which transfers the blame to Alex Salmond without any mention of the flags protocol being agreed with the Queen to fly the royal standard in its palace.
Cameron B Brodie @ 9.50
Just like Brian I can’t read everything…. But I love your stuff….and just lately it’s been keepin me sane.
The fact that you are backin up what you say…..well done you…don’t ever stop…..
We all need to know …..just because we feel in our gut’s that
we are takin the right world view….the fact that we have work from “the intelligencia ” demonstrated and referenced by you really does help to give us the confidence we are on thee right track….!
Otherwise we would think we were livin in the twilight zone.
And we would be “Believein ” the propaganda.
Keep on keepin on my friend.. X..
They raised the flag issue to drown out the success of the PPB that shows how much the SNP ‘has’ done for Scotland ‘so far’. They are a shower of shite and I’m not surprised to see the obfuscation being reported btl on Wings wrt to shifting the ‘blame’ to AS, as if there is any ‘blame’ for anything, quite obviously nothing actually happened…but wtg the BBC: never knowingly truthful in reporting anything factual.
The Herald should change its name to Dumb and Dumber.
David Leask “not smart enough to be classed as stupid”.
FUD.
“The Herald ran a massively misleading story pretending that information existed which simply doesn’t exist.”
Buy the fake “independence supporting” The National to keep its elder sister The Herald alive.
Rock?
Stop promulgating ‘fake news’.
‘Aren’t you part of the same company as The Herald?
Yes, we are – along with 20-odd local newspapers and several magazines like the Scottish Farmer. But we run a completely separate operation. We have access to the same photographers, and we use the same sports writers. The other papers have no influence over us, and we’ve got no influence over them.
But is our money going towards The Herald?
No, we’re in a completely separate financial line. Decisions are made for each title based on the performance of each newspaper, and The Herald will sink or swim based on its own performance. As will the Greenock Telegraph, the Evening Times, the East Lothian Courier, or any of the other Scottish newspapers in our company’.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
I’m sticking this in as a virtual ‘X’ in response to what was posted at 11.04, and hoping that the system-that-never-was-and-must-never-be-named will, in the fullness of time, be implemented.
If we apply ‘follow the money’ to Brexit, it leads to The Scottish Office in Edinburgh with its big budget and big staff increases. It does look as if the Tories are merely putting on a show about Brexit but doing very little work. In contrast they are investing heavily in the Scottish Office. The Tories know that Scotlands energy,food and water guarantees the future for the British elite.
Liz g
Thanks Liz. I kind of had the feeling that a bit of scientific understanding would help solidify the commitment of some, to continue to fight for Scotland’s self-preservation. Purely in the neoclassical realist sense, of course. 😉
Rock
What’s your take on the FM writing for the Daily Record?
You go on about The National all the time.
The Record is a far bigger enemy to indy than the Herald and yet it’s the National and Herald you go on about.
K1,
“Rock?
Stop promulgating ‘fake news’.”
You stop promulgating the fake “independence supporting” The National’s propaganda.
Although, only around 8,000 in Scotland are gullible enough to fall for it.
The vast vast majority of independence supporters agree with me.
link to thebutterflyrebellion.scot
Good read .
Rock
Utter rubbish
O/T
According to the Guardian tonight there is an increase of 16 points on the side of people wanting a second EU referendum once we know the details of the deal.
So does that mean that HM Gov Westminster is going to rig the referendum to make sure that the 2nd EU ref throws out Leave and so it removes the ‘material change’ for Scotland to have a 2nd Indy ref.
Seems that’s about the only way they can think of to possibly save their Preciousss Union now…
Let’s face it, they can create a poll and say what they want, if it’s in the papers folk will believe it… and we’ve just seen how untruthful they are prepared to be. I suppose we ‘aint seen nuffink’ yet.
Well, here’s a strange thing to think about. From the Herald, 3 headlines from the tope 8 on the front page of the website, prominent:
“Scotland Office refuses to back down over flag row” (top)
“Majority of voters want second EU referendum”
“Nicola Sturgeon secures newspaper apology over flag row”
4 out of 8 Trump or not a lot, and just one:
“Teaching chiefs demand 10% pay hike”
So, there you go, wherever we go, whatever.
Man and boy
If we follow the money to the Scotland Office – I read this evening that Mundell is refusing to apologise to the FM over flag-gate. Let’s hope she or Alex sues!
colin alexander,
“Rock
What’s your take on the FM writing for the Daily Record?”
If the FM or any SNP politician is to boycott any media, they have to start with enemy number one: Pravda GB.
“The Record is a far bigger enemy to indy than the Herald and yet it’s the National and Herald you go on about.”
This very WOS article, if you cared to read it, proves that the Herald is as much an enemy as the Record.
I doubt the likes of yourself, Robert Peffers, Petra and the rest of the usual suspects even bother to read WOS articles.
“You go on about The National all the time.”
The Record doesn’t pretend it is unionist – it is unionist and everyone posting here knows it.
The National pretends it supports independence but its only aim is to milk gullible independence supporters.
If it really supported independence, it would have hard hitting WOS type articles exposing the unionist hypocrites as front page headline news every day.
The National is a fake, as much if not more than the Labour party.
The vast vast majority of independence supporters have seen through it, only the most gullible 8,000 or so haven’t.
Putting up a big Saltire in your garden or in your front window is more effective than any other of providing the right atmosphere and we should all do it.Momentum is not caused by bandying about facts and figures but by making people understand that things are moving and they had better get on board with it because that’s where the right people are going.
YES Cowal will post a 3ft x 5ft Saltire to anybody anywhere for £3.50 or a YES or EURO Saltire for £5. “Forward” 186 Argyll Street Dunoon PA23 7HA
David Leask has blocked me on twitter for asking him to publish the country-specific media pack on which (he claimed) the article on the Oxfam inequality report had been based. Pathetic.
Check out Thomson and Thompson all we next is Captain Haddock.
Bella Caledonia’s editor quoted the “burning Herald’s” comment several times.
I immediately warned against comments like this when it was made; that it would be seized on as an example of extremism.
If I’m anti-indy, how come I spoke out to warn against comments like this?
I’ve also repeatedly spoke out about commenters slagging potential YES voters, such as Labour voters, religious people, Greens, Left-wingers etc.
@Andrew Gallacher
Your not alone, Mr Leask has a very thin skin.
HI Rock of ages
You say The National is keeping the Herald alive. Must be doing well then. Must hurt you.
Are you one sad journo that didn’t get a job at the National whose front pages are the best designed in Scotland England etcetera. I think you said you were a Guardian reader.
Fake News Fake Rock
David Mc Ewan 11.58 is right, that’s what’s needed and it’s easy to do.
Chuckle brothers Colin A and Rock want to close the National down and get the SNP out, all for independent Scotland.
Usual stuff for the UKOK Chuckle brothers but stinky olde the Graun hates social media even more and probably for exact same reasons too.
Jump in anywhere. Super rich fascism and their msm liggers have seen the future and do not like it.
link to archive.is
“The internet monopolies have neither the will nor the inclination to protect society against the consequences of their actions. That turns them into a menace and it falls to the regulatory authorities to protect society against them,” he said.
He said Davos was a good place to announce: “Their days are numbered.”
Alex 😉
“There are plenty of others willing to call you a failure. A fool. A loser. A hopeless souse. Don’t you ever say it of yourself. You send out the wrong signal, that is what people pick up. Don’t you understand? You care about something, you fight for it. You hit a wall, you push through it. There’s something you need to know about failure, Tintin. You can never let it defeat you. ” – Captain Haddock
Let’s be clear. The new range of yoonbots, whether politicianbots or mediabots, are not based on AI.
AI is not a structural basis which suits the purposes of the great and failing neoliberal/feudal experiment nor its psychotic cabal of progenitors.
That is why we have this entirely new range of yoonbots which is instead based on AS, Artificial Stupidity.
You have to admit they do a damn realistic job of it though.
Heedtracker
When did I say I wanted the National closed down? I didn’t.
I said, if some indy supporters are encouraged by it, then it serves a useful purpose.
By the way, I don’t do all the jargon insults, so, what’s a ligger?
@CameronB Brodie
Now that quote is sheer class, nice one in finding it 🙂
Also from stinky olde The Graun. Guess which region of Britain and Britons are completely missing? Starts with an S and this took a whoppy 4 The Graun liggers too!
link to archive.is
‘We’re not morons’: Brexit divisions harden across Britain
Brexit
Brexit: Britons favour second referendum by 16-point margin – poll
Jessica Elgot, Alexandra Topping, Steven Morris and Josh Halliday
Fri 26 Jan 2018 16.31 GMT
Robert Peffers
link to publications.parliament.uk
“13. The UK Government’s position follows this legal opinion: that the rest of the UK would become the continuator state and that Scotland would become a new, successor state.”
Did you write a rebuttal to this in 2014?
What does the SNP about this?
By the way, I don’t do all the jargon insults, so, what’s a ligger?
I have no idea Colin A. Maybe ask your Brother Chuckles Rock?
He’s got his finger on the pulse, or somewhere
But this is a good example of liggers, beeb style. All about the English as per but there is one mention of one SNP MP, in there somewhere.
Maybe you lot should rename the UK, Brengland perhaps, Engltain, Torytannia, BeebGimpland etc.
link to bbc.co.uk
Ten things we learned from following MPs on Instagram
By Joey D’Urso & Esther Webber
BBC Political Research Unit
2 beeb liggers this time. My aren’t they busy.
“The viciousness of Twitter and Facebook is well-documented. A survey for BBC Radio 5live found at least 50 MPs had been subject to abuse during the 2017 election campaign, including “co-ordinated Facebook attacks”.
No idea why beeb liggers are using the old inverted comma technique there and also have never heard of a “Facebook attack” either.
UKOK tory “liggers” certainly have the “knives out” for Facebook. “Wonder” where this “mass beeb gimp led monstering” of online stuff what our “noble” and honest “tory liggers” can’t touch is all heading, “I shudder to think.”
Inverted commas are “fun” right enough” “:D”
Can’t help thinking that flag gate was well orchestrated – a lot of noise to draw the attention away from what’s going on in WM – the quiet unravelling of devolution.
Gordon macintyre kemp explained very succinctly to a parliamentary committee how brexit and devolution are incompatible. He’s right. There is no way WM are going to be able to forge trade deals when hard headed Americans are saying they don’t have the authority to speak for ‘the provinces’.
The loyal unionist press will continue to fight to keep the Scottish govt extremely busy on the back foot having to deny outrageous made-up headlines and deal with a barage of FOIs whilst running services on a diminishing budget whilst unionist councils attack them on another front.
No doubt the brexit can will be kicked down the road until as far as 2021 allowing the unionist cabal in Holyrood a crack at unseating the snp. Success will no doubt mean a further dilution of devolution..
Leask is just using “alternative facts” system pioneered in the White House. It’s not fake news or lies, just an alternative way of explaining facts. Just miss out or reinterpret the important parts of story.
Awe Fur Fake Sake, get on down with the Pop:
link to youtube.com
Click.
Robert, desist, don’t answer, ffs.
Y’know, given that the pertinent facts of the fleggate story are and have proven to be, a complete fabrication. The next questions should be motivation and intent.
The nature and prominence of the headlines were inflammatory in the extreme. They were intended to cause maximum insult and effect. To foment the maximum amount of response from both readerships and intended subject. Doesn’t it seem strange there was no attempt to verify the facts behind the story? For all the world it seems it was never even a consideration.
So, careless (and I hesitate to use the word) journalism, or a deliberate act of incitement? Is it possible for the editorial staff of three prominent titles to be so careless in their research? Were they completely unaware of the effect their editorials would have on an already polarized public opinion? Did they even give a shit what the effect would be, or the consequences of their actions on the public?
What is more likely? That these editorial departments and the politicians who used the story for their own ends were completely unaware of the true facts behind the issue, or… Or that they knowingly took these actions with no care whatsoever for the public ramifications? If the latter, that would be pretty cold.
An old question to be sure, but would the UK political class use people like this? Put their own in harms way for political advantage/expediency?
Worth a thought.
The Tories/UK gov will have to, as preparation for trade talks, harmonise ethical/food standards across the UK.
They must lower existing food standards to match the ‘rest’ of the world..or be uncompetitive.
Bleached chicken, antibiotic steroid beef will be traded for deluxe whisky, ON OUR BEHALF, thanks UK.
We might sell more stuff to the US but could be banned from China’s new Asian bloc, and the EU, and therefore Canada too.
How’s the knitwear industry going down in the Borders? Huh? The USA trashed it? Yes.
Links
link to firstminister.gov.scot
link to iiea.com
link to thebutterflyrebellion.scot
link to alynsmith.eu
link to businessforscotland.com
link to indyref2.scot
link to eveningtelegraph.co.uk
FLAG-GATE How the British Press create stories from thin air to undermine the Scottish Government
link to twitter.com
link to theneweuropean.co.uk
link to politics.co.uk
link to euronews.com
link to theneweuropean.co.uk
Macart at 7.54am.
I would say your latter conclusion in regard to the reporting of the “Flaggate” story is spot on. And this is only a small sample of what we can expect in the run-up to Indyref2.
It will be a co-ordinated propoganda campaign from the British Unionist Establishment using all their powers, and they are considerable, to destabilise the Scottish Independence supporters, the S.N.P Scottish Government, and anyone else who dares believe in an independent Scotland.
As we are all too aware, almost all of the media is in thrall to their Westminster masters, so those promoting the lies, half-truths and general bad-mouthing of independence supporters, will be given prominence in banner headlines, while any correction, if indeed any is acknowledged, will be buried so deep, it will never resonate with those who have seen, or heard the previous headlines.
While this, and other independence supporting websites do great work in exposing the lies of the M.S.M, and their fellow travellers, the fifth columnists amongst us, we face an uphill struggle in the face of what will be an increasingly vicious onslaught, from a British Establishment desperate to retain absolute control over Scotland, and its people.
Nothing on the beeb gimp network, latest Trump sex scandal wise. Probably, if not completely, because Orange Hitler will be at the core of the BBC’s Project Fear 2 campaigning.
link to washingtonpost.com
Stinky old progressive liberal The Graun pile on, to save Orange Hitler.
link to archive.is
Just another day at the tory UKOK britnat media here in teamGb but even so.
It’s a good thing to judge people by the company they keep.
Yesterday:-
Nicola – Bill Gates
Maybot- Trump.
Noticed the tweet by one of Historywoman’s followers who is closing down his 2 Scottish outlets and is serving redundancy notices on the staff employed, due both to flag – gate and to the desire of so many Scots for independence. I wonder how many No voters are being punished for a piece of fake news.
Had a similar discussion with a Newcastle man on holiday in 2014. He told me that he had cancelled his summer booking at a private (No voting) hotel in the West because of the Scottish referendum and he was angry at how many bookings they had lost because of that Alec Salmond. I did detect a certain lack of irony which he didn’t appear to appreciate and became rather cross at having it pointed out.
@Alex Beveridge
I don’t think there’s any other reasonable conclusion to reach Alex. It was a deliberate act of malice on the part of both the media and politicians involved.
Deflection from the big issues affecting the UK may have been the primary motivation, not to mention using Scotland, its First Minister and the independence voting public as their go to punching bag. It spoke volumes however that they use their own readerships, their own support base in the way they have. They were willing to throw everyone involved under a bus for political advantage.
Spreading hatred, fear, rage and intimidation for gain.
People need to get it into their head, the nature of the creature they’re dealing with here. This is the establishment political class. It’s what they do and what they are.
A few articles re Brexit
link to irishtimes.com
link to eulawanalysis.blogspot.co.uk
link to brexitcentral.com
Has Historywoman still not found a sense of psychological attachment that is grounded in her community, rather than in the ‘One Nation’ ideology? Until she does so, she is likely to continue supporting reactionary, authoritarian, English nationalism and the dribbling insanity of the full English Brexit.
link to bev.berkeley.edu
@ all proud Scotbuts, British nationalist and supporter of the full English Brexit.
link to rug.nl
link to journals.sagepub.com
link to pnas.org
Scotland votes for a continental breakfast but gets a fool English Brexit.
A FAUX democracy.