Wings Over Scotland

Yeah, the Herald reported in a similar, though not as bad fashion.

It seems the Unionists really don’t like factual reports and professional independent experts. Quelle Surprise!

The dishonesty of the mainstream media just goes on and on.

Keep up the good work exposing this kind of deliberate manipulation.

This must be where the BBC get their journalists from

Reports are NEVER just submitted to a client and then they just have to accept it. They ALWAYS go through a review process that often involves accepting feedback from the client and indeed others (depends what the report is). Just shows how hacks can make any normal process seem sinister and disreputable for propaganda purposes.

If only these third rate hacks penning their SNP-bad stories actually sent them for review for fact checking purposes; would save us all a lot of bother.

What gets me most is that Sturgeon appointed Eisenstadt in an anti-poverty czar role precisely to pick out flaws in the SG policies, and Eisenstadt duly did that in a full and critical report – exactly as specified by Sturgeon.

Then the media are all over it to pull the SNP apart and try to discredit them. But hold on a wee minute, that’s precisely WHY Eisenstadt was appointed – to highlight the flaws in the system.

But then, having used Eisenstadt to discredit the SNP, the disgusting media are completely happy to trample all over her as an “independent expert” and allege that she isn’t independent, is weak, and walked over by the Government. A government tool in fact. Rather than the independent and very professional expert she clearly is, who wants facts, not errors. Well boo, that doesn;t suit the agenda of the anti-SNP media who will use and abuse anyone to get at the SNP.

Media has no respect for individuals, experts – or the truth.

the anti-SNP media was

Another fine piece of analysis. I expect you are suprised nowadays if the meat of the article is genuinely reflected in the headline.

Now if your trying to say SNPgood Stu, you’ll get flack and Donalda will be cracking the whip to get those facts distorted further by tonights news. Just wait and see.

More BS exposed, Stu.

Good work. I don’t know how you have the patience.

Disgusting.

Don’t know if I’m just needing a break from social media, or it IS getting worse right now.

We have some charity decrying baby boxes, so Mark McDonald setting out the rebuttal.

SNP have their policy unit actively looking at a public bid unit for the Scottish railways, so yoons jumping around at that.

Then this bs.

O/T slightly, but related.

Listening to Radio Scotland this morning; must be a masochist or something.

Just after seven they have an interview with a mental health specialist; their lead report is on mental health patients not being discharged after hospital treatment because no suitable care package was established.

It took nearly the whole interview of the interviewer having said ‘mental health patients in Scotland’ to clarify it’s actually a UK wide issue AND allow the guy being interviewed to praise the Scottish Government as they’re already trying to take action on it.

I expect neither the praise or the clarification made it into later bulletins, but the handy criticism from some Labour non-entity criticising the SG will.

Just as with the papers; broadcast news is very much the same with the headline is always a lie but the truth will likely be buried somewhere in the following piece. Thus the BBC will claim they’re bring impartial when anyone with half a brain knows that, above every other porkie, is definitely a lie every single time.

@Valerie
Don’t be disheartened, there’s a change a-coming. The SNP have indicated they are moving to the next step putting all the hints together.

I’m ready.

Peter Macbeastie says:
3 August, 2017 at 11:18 am

‘I expect neither the praise or the clarification made it into later bulletins’

You are right, they didnt. The expert was explaining the facts and praised ScotGov for the alcohol minimum pricing policy. and GaryR was going ‘but, but, broken promise etc’. That bit wasnt on later bulletins.

I just love it when the experts they invite on dont play SNP Bad.

I hope that Naomi Einenstadt will write to the Times pointing out the exact sequence of events and taking exception to a spinning headline. After all her reputation is also questioned by this type of spin.

Off topic, I had missed the Gove statement about fishing. Is there a case for crowdfunding a poster campaign and putting up posters all over Moray etc. giving the direct quote. I’d be more than happy to contribute.

O/T (to some extent)

Thanks for the links Nana (last thread) and I see that amongst them is one from indyref2 outlining the latest about The National and Ross Greer.

link to indyref2.scot

As Ross Greer complains about the National we’re all faced with a daily dose of propaganda from practically every other newspaper on the stands, ALL as far as I can see, and of course the BBC and STV.

We all seem to be agreed on the fact that we need broadcasting to be devolved to Scotland to ensure that we control our own broadcasting service / s, however until that day comes around, better still independence, we’re TOTALLY reliant on sites like this to get the message, truth, out there.

We’ve recently supported sites like weegingerdug, iScot and so on for that very reason and yet one of the MOST important daily outlets of all for us is REALLY struggling. Not helped by the fact that some independence supporters, for some obscure reason, want to do it down. Ross Greer as an example complains bitterly about a front page of the National from last December, that is ‘ENEMIES OF THE SCOTTISH PEOPLE’ which featured Theresa May and David Davis dressed up in ridiculous judge’s wigs (a send-up of the Daily Mail original).

A Mr George Mitchell wrote into the National on Tuesday (1/08/17) praising the newspaper, stating his astonishment on reading that the team producing the ‘excellent publication’ consists of 10/12 people only and that he was saddened by the comments made by Ross Greer. He went on to ask how we could help as he didn’t want to be faced one day soon by a ‘LAST DAY OF PUBLICATION’ notice.

He got a response from Callum Baird, editor, which read:

”Thanks George – it’s frustrating as we had a great six months up until the election. In fact, our sales were actually UP compared with the previous year – pretty much unheard of for papers these days. As for what you can do to help? I’m open to suggestions. We’re already delivering bulk copies to Yes groups to give out at stalls and into hands of potential readers. What else could our readers do to help? Answers to feedback@thenational.scot, please!”

Note the ”PLEASE!”

Now this as we know is the ONLY newspaper right across the UK that affords a platform for people like weegingerdug, Gordon MacIntyre-Kemp, Richard Murphy, Alyn Smith, Lesley Riddoch, George Kerevan and so on. It’s also akin to Professor John Robertson’s site in that it publishes more positive Scottish news that’s downplayed (suppressed) elsewhere and of course has articles on Scottish history etc. Do we really want to lose this newspaper? Do we really want to see the opinions / information from some great influential supporters of independence being quashed? Do we really want to see the Unionist supporting newspaper editors rub their hands in glee?

If not you can subscribe to the newspaper online for as little as £1.74 a week. In other words for less than 30p a day.

link to thenational.scot

If you can’t afford to pay, and even if you can, maybe you could come up with some constructive ideas to keep this newspaper going by sending an email to feedback@thenational.scot

Or if you go into a store that doesn’t sell the newspaper complain or email their head office asking them to do so.

Whatever the case we REALLY need this newspaper and it’s in our power, ONLY, to do so. Yesterdays front page alone was the only newspaper showing any sign of really supporting Michelle Thomson and Ross Greer (had tweeted previously that the National does more harm than good) was also afforded the opportunity to have his say followed by Callum Baird’s response to him …. ‘One newspaper can’t be everything to all people in the Yes movement.’

Whatever your opinion (if you consider it to be lacking in some way …. help it) of the National PLEASE support it.

Some readers comments:

‘Letters II: The National dares to be different and that is to be welcomed.’

link to thenational.scot

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PS This is not a post promoting negative comments about Ross Greer, as that’s the last thing we need, it’s solely about supporting the National.

@yesindyref2

I really hope so. Perhaps yoon private polling is dire, and numerous trolls have been deployed. New Twitter accounts attacking, are getting the norm.

This baby box thing is quite despicable, and again, look at the timing we are well into the implementation.

Having looked at the profile of CEO of Lullaby Trust, London based, she loves London, but went to Stirling university. Coincidence?

Someone has asked if she is a former Labour Spad, but not found that so far.

The Daily Record printed a story about me on the front page with a colour picture and everything. That was in September 1975. Every single statement in the article was wrong, the interview I gave to the stringer from Ayr was twisted into the records view of what happened, with no concern whether it was true or not. I haven’t bought a newspaper since.

Apology for this coming a bit late in the comments as it took a while to write- sorry also it is rather long but cannot be covered in a short form.

In the mid 1930s there was widespread sympathy for Nazis and Nazism in the British establishment. A, “British ‘Establishment”, that included key figures of the aristocracy, and the press were also keen supporters of Hitler right up until the invasion of Czechoslovakia.

They much admired Hitler feeling that he offered the best means of preventing the spread of communism. At the same time they turned a blind eye to anti-Semitism and the attacks Hitler made on communists, socialists, and other of Germany’s internal opponents.”

Until the outbreak of war, in 1939, upper-class, debutant, “British”, girls were doing ‘the season’ in Germany, attending balls, learning about art and hunting for husbands. Among the upper echelons of British society intermarriage was seen as a way of preserve the peace of Europe. In fact, “British”, high society in the 1930s had a love affair with Nazism just as serious as that of people of Germany around that time. Many in the British high society who had a great affection for Germany and liked what they saw and the intermarriage between British and German high society went right to the top. Remember that the British/English Royal Family were then called the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha until changing their name to Windsor at the outbreak of World War I in 1914.

Factually Germany was thriving and few in Britain were unaware of the official German policy of anti-Semitism after the 1936 Olympics. In which Jewish athletes were banned from the German team. Many upper class Britons ignored these signs in the German country where there was an extraordinary economic and psychic revival after being a downtrodden and humiliated nation throughout the 1920s.

By 1938, unemployment in Germany was almost eliminated after dropping to 30% when Hitler came to power. The British upper classes, never famous for racial tolerance, were impressed by Hitler’s Germany. These cultural exchanges between Britain and Germany were greatly driven by the behaviour of upper class, often Hereditary Peer’s peers’ daughters who, for most of the 1930s sent pretty debutant young ladies of the great houses of England to Germany for “finishing” – a combination of art, music, balls, and husband hunting, (mostly in reverse order).

Even in 1939, these tours were still taking place, It is on record that Lady Elizabeth Montagu Douglas Scott, the debutant daughter of the Duke of Buccleuch, (who later married the Duke of Northumberland), spent the last two months before World War II in Munich. There she learning the German language in time to be debuted to society’s before the shooting season in Scotland and hunt balls at Christmas. Lady Elizabeth told Rachel Johnson, (sister of Boris Johnson), “I’m afraid I didn’t give a thought to what was going on outside. I was sleeping, eating, chatting, dining, dancing and that was all.”

So the Nazis had many friends in high places in Britain. Such as the influential Harold Harmsworth, (Lord Rothermere), who owned of the Daily Mail in the 1930s. In January of 1934 Rothermere’s Daily Mail editorial was titled “Hurrah for the Blackshirts”,. It praising Oswald Mosley for, “sound, commonsense, Conservative doctrine.” At which an editor in the Spectator responded by writing, “the Blackshirts, like the Daily Mail, appeal to people unaccustomed to thinking. The average Daily Mail reader is a potential Blackshirt ready made.”

Rothermere also congratulated Hitler on his invasion of the Sudetenland, and secret papers declassified and released in 2005 showed that he also wrote to Hitler in 1939 congratulating him for the annexation of Czechoslovakia, praising his “great and superhuman work in regenerating your country,” and encouraging him to invade Romania.

King Edward VIII, (who abdicated in 1936), was a Nazi sympathizer, as was his lover, Wallis Simpson. They visited Germany in 1937 and were entertained by and photographed with Hitler and other senior Nazis. It was this, and not his marrying a divorcee, that saw him forced to abdicate the throne of the United Kingdom. A year after war broke out, the USA FBI sent a memo to President Roosevelt outlining the agency’s worries about the British Royal couple. It reads, “It has been ascertained that for some time, the British government has known that the Duchess of Windsor was exceedingly pro-German in her sympathies and connections and there is strong reason to believe that this is the reason why she was considered so obnoxious to the British government that they refused to permit Edward to marry her and maintain the throne.”

Another aristocratic young woman who fell under the Third Reich’s spell was of Unity Mitford. Unity Mitford was the second-youngest Mitford girl. Her older married sister, Diana , (in 1932), had an affair with Oswald Mosley. Mosely had then just founded the British Union of Fascists. Both Unity and Diana Mitford travelled to Germany as part of the British delegation from the BUF for the 1933 Nuremberg Rally, and they met Hitler for the first time. Mitford said, “The first time I saw him I knew there was no one I would rather meet.” She went bach to Germany in summer of 1934, having set her heart on getting very close to Hitler. Not really a hard thing for any well-bred, well-connected, British girl to do. After this she wrote to her father, “It was the most wonderful and beautiful day of my life. I am so happy that I wouldn’t mind a bit, dying. I’d suppose I am the luckiest girl in the world. For me he is the greatest man of all time”. Hitler and Mitford did become close and Hitler apparently was using Mitford to provoke jealousy in his new girlfriend, Eva Braun.

Mitford became a virulent and public anti-Semite, writing in a German paper: “The English have no notion of the Jewish danger. Our worst Jews work only behind the scenes. We think with joy of the day when we will be able to say England for the English! Out with the Jews! Heil Hitler! P.S. please publish my name in full, I want everyone to know I am a Jew hater.” When Hitler announced the Anschluss in 1938, she appeared with him on the balcony in Vienna. A confirmed part of Hitler’s inner circle.

After Britain’s declaration of war on Germany in September 1939, Unity shot herself in the head with a pearl-handled pistol given to her by Hitler for protection. She survived the suicide attempt, was flown back to the UK, and died in Scotland in 1948. Unity’s suicidal act is symbolic of the shame of much of the British aristocracy at their support for Hitler and the Nazis when the war began. Only then did then did they recognise they had been very near to actual treason.

The really strange fact is that such things as the home movie the current Queen of England and her family that was taken in the 1930s and showed her making a NAZI salute in the 1930s was not destroyed. Incidentally the Queen’s husband, Prince Philip, is Battenberg, but had to take his wife’s surname of Windsor but which is actually Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.

@galamcennalath

This is not bad journalism, it is part of the widespread conspiracy to undermine overthrow the democratically elected government of Scotland.

Fixed.

I just read a report that said the British Press came in 40th in the world regarding factual and dependable reporting of news, that includes the BBC

There was no identifying body to name who claimed this reports accuracy but North Korea was only six places behind the UK

Whether it’s true or not who knows but you have to say it does sound very reasonable and I like it, in terms of I don’t like it if you see what I mean

I subscribed to The Times for a period several years ago accepting that, as a London publication, it would be short on Scottish news but had a firm reputation as a trusted source of informed comment and truthful reportage.
Sadly I found out very quickly that it was little more than an expensive Red Top with the same SNP Bad agenda as the vast bulk of the YUK media.

Robert Peffers says:

In the mid 1930s there was widespread sympathy for Nazis

The UK could have easily ended up ‘in bed’ with Nazi Germany. And it would have been a popular move by more than the toffs.

My own grandfather, who died in the 30s, expressed sympathies with fascist ideas (according to my mother).

He was OO, a mason, and working at a professional level in heavy engineering in Glasgow.

The moral is that far right ideas can often be beguilingly simplistic. They enchant by offering superficial solutions. However it never ends well. England take note!

@Robert Peffers says:
3 August, 2017 at 12:21 pm
Good post.

Though if I correctly remember from my reading about the naval history of the time, Prince Louis of Battenburg had suffered much anti German feeling before the start of the war.

He resigned from the admiralty early in WW1 after the disaster of the broad fourteens, when the obsolete armoured cruisers Aboukir, Hogue and Cressy were torpedoed and sunk by the U9 with the heavy loss of life.

I also think that’s when they changed their name to Windsor to make it sound more English.

Don’t forget that the owner / controller of the rag discussed above also owns / controls the Scottish Sun and probably Sky News. His pound of flesh from Westminster for his efforts will be expensive for us , encourage people away from these media , BBC is not our only foe.

Robert Graham says:
3 August, 2017 at 12:47 pm
phil – show us the evidence

To fill in the gap in your knowledge, other than the above, you could continue with Ms Eisenstadt’s report that advocated an end to the council tax freeze, the Scottish Child Abuse inquiry and the Auditor-General’s report on our colleges.

This morning I thought, I wonder what is happening in yoon world today? Popped over to WoS and
bob’s your uncle, more britnat lies exposed, they just can’t help themselves can they.

Re;Dr.Jim@10.51am

O/T. Yep, you can’t be outwardly, brazenly ‘Scottish’ it’s ‘too parochial’. I heard that said by a friend who’s partner had come up from Eng (!) and who was working in the arts and commissioning artists to produce work for the Commonwealth games. When I heard they had gone to, er, NewZealand among other far flung parts of the globe, to find some artists, I asked why not look at commissioning some artists closer to home, ie Scotland? ‘Scottish art(ists) is too parochial’. I kid you not this was what they said.

What they mean by that is anybody’s guess, but it is a negative attitude, deliberate and all too common. It undermines Scotland, Scottish artists, and culture. We should all wear loads of tartan during the festival, I must look for a nice kilt.

I wonder if making pictures about Trident is too parochial!

Ooohhhh Scotlandddddd. 🙂

2017 is the anniversary of the Department of Information,

formed in 1917,

later the Ministry of Information,with connections to MO7/MI7 and Special Operations Executive,

‘To promote the national case to the public at home and abroad ’ by issuing ‘National Propaganda’ and controlling news and information.

Beaverbrook (Daily Express) became responsible for propaganda in Allied and neutral countries and Lord Northcliffe (owner of the Daily Mail and The Times) became Director of Propaganda with control of propaganda in enemy countries.

Lord Reith admits that the BBC`s independence was compromised by UK Gov during 1926 general strike,

the UK Gov/establishment have using the media to manipulate opinion and attack what they perceive as any threat to their control of UK for a long time,

SNP is seen as a legitimate target.

Fascist sympathisers included the earl of Errol, duke of Wellington, duke of Bedford, duke of Buccleuch & his bro, marquess of Lothian, earl of Glasgow, the father of “Taxi for McLetchie!” lord Redesdale, duke of Kent, earl of Portsmouth, baron de Clifford etc,etc, ad nauseum. Many of them members of “The Right Club!” & many also who wrapped themselves in the Union Jack once the war started!

Fast forward to today @Robert Peffers says at 12:21pm and all that has happened is that The Establishment have substituted Fascism vs Communism for Scottish Nationalism vs UK Unionism.

All about protecting their interests as per usual.

The National is a decent wee paper.

I buy it nearly every day from the wee shop at the Inverkeithing train station.

I like how it’s balanced and has differing views from the likes of Michael Fry and Mckenna.

It’s also, given that it’s a Nationalist supporting paper, very even handed in the articles, quoting both sides without any perceivable bias.

I think it needs a bit more fun and humour in it though.

O/T

The Lullaby Trust and BBC Scotlandshire having a go at the Finnish baby boxes.

I can’t find much on the CEO of the Lullaby Trust. Apart from she has passion for London.

link to mobile.twitter.com

@Artyhetty,
I regularly wear my Kilts that I have done for some 35 odd years, not just because of Independence or the Referendum, simply because I am of Scottish heart through and through and I look pretty damn cool in it…and for obvious reasons it keeps me warm in winter. However, because of the Referendum and Scottish bias, I now get a few looks which is fine. Putting on a kilts in some places like festivals or rallies is cute shows somewhat togetherness. (Or defiance I’m sure) depending on the onlooker. Yes or no’s.

I find now, (when and where I travel) it opens up (or closes) conversations quickly, not only about what myself and Scotland is fighting for but through these conversations it then allows the other to consider/wake-up to how bias our media is and how a Westminster establishment is towards Scotland really is and why we want our Independence.

Right now I have a different tartan waiting to be made into a kilt! For me, It’s not for fancy dress, not just for festivals or rallies, it’s not for xmas…like the dog 🙂 it’s an opportunity to educate.

Find a nice Wallace kilt then you could tell a story n educate. There a plenty of shops in the west-end of Glasgow with secondhand kilts. Great western rd, next to Roots n Fruits and the wee shops off Byres rd. Starry Starry Night. Go get yer kilt. 🙂

Does anyone believe the total garbage printed by the dead tree rags.
If you did you would be incredibly nieve.

A couple of decades ago, while freelancing, I wrote a story about one of Scottish football’s legendary players.

I will admit this now, I misunderstood something I was told, and didn’t check-it properly. It didn’t help that I could not get hold of the legend personally.

I sent it to The Sun and the Daily Record. The Sun journalist counter-checked it, and came back to me; which is when I realised I had misunderstood what I was told, so I agreed with the alternative fact as outlined by The Sun.

The Record never got back to me, but, they took my wrong fact, “spun it” outrageously and did a character-assassination piece on the football legend.

He then sued The Record, who of course blamed me, everything they had printed had been written by me – they insisted. They stuck with this story, until the legend’s lawyer produced a “black” or copy of the original story I had filed.

At this point, The Record caved-in and the legend got a nice little sweetener. Of course, they still tried to blame me.

I have never written-for or assisted The Record since. It is an evil paper.

Some years later, working full-time for another paper, I saw Record thinking in action. We had an Editor who had come from the Record News Desk. He was in the habit of dashing-off a headline, then telling his journalists: “Get me a story to justify that headline”.

@ Fred says at 1:18 pm …. ”Petra, mebbes the National would have been better advised to give space to Andy Wightman & leave Ross to worry about global warming…..”

Fred I reckon that the National was being fairminded when it gave Ross Greer the opportunity to have his say. Unlike any other newspaper of course. What we find there are either the person in question is given no say / opportunity for rebuttal at all or their comments are edited to suit the newspapers agenda. All we have to do is look at the VAST number of SNP Baad stories whereby no one from the SNP is involved in replying / correcting.

As to Andy Wightman well he’s contributed a number of excellent articles to the National and his voice will be another we won’t be hearing from, that’s for SURE, if the National folds. He actually wrote an article about Holyrood Palace for the 7th July edition which was extremely ILLUMINATING and would make your blood boil. Made mine boil anyway!

‘Andy Wightman: We need to have clarity on affairs at historic royal property.’

link to thenational.scot

Thank you Albert for the link, that kind of clears up why they’re doing down baby boxes.

Usually when you search the web you find something to link the nae sayers to the Britnats.

Can we just leave The UK one night and not tell them.

@Brian Powell says:
3 August, 2017 at 10:59 am
The Times once had a reputation as the most accurate reporting, now it manufactures lies …… It is sad to see a major paper lying but sadder that it is subverting democracy.
=========================

That’s what happens when you get bought out by Murdoch.

Robert Peffers says:
3 August, 2017 at 1:35 pm
” … The draft report was and remains entirely correct that funding to colleges has not kept pace with universities. Students numbered at colleges fell from around 380,000 to around 227,000 between 2007-16.”
Yes, Phil, of course it did.

Firstly, glad to see that you agree with me that SC is wrong in asserting that there is a factual error is Ms Eisenstadt’s report needing correction.

Then you continue, “For the very good, (and planned), reason that the SG instigated a policy of free University education”.

So which policy is this? Is the same as the one that stated “We will maintain full-time equivalent college places and protect Educational Maintenance Allowances”.

Or was it part of the 2007 fairytale that promised to eliminate student debt by “removing the burden of the debt repayments owed to the Student Loans Company by Scottish domiciled and resident graduates.”

Strange then that, in 2015, the student debt became the Scottish Government’s largest asset, being worth £2.7bn with around one in six Scots between 18 and 60 in debt to the government in this way. 

@Artyhetty 1.13.

Yup, nothing more parochial than a metrovincial, in my experience. I never give them any peace now when they start their patronising crap.

Unfortunately the Embra Festival and Fringe has degenerated imo into an orgy of Establishment scent-marking of their Scotland region (sorry for the product-theft, heedtracker). All those lovely luvvies and their dire wee shows in Morningside church halls really get on my nazzums.

No mwaah, mwaah from me, I’m afraid.

@Movy says: 3 August, 2017 at 2:07 pm:

” … Have they contributed to deaths in Finland?”

No they have not. I read somewhere, just this morning, that the SG had issued a statement, (I cannot find it again now), that the cardboard boxes used in the Scottish Government scheme had been checked and had passed official safety checks and that is more than those used in the Finland scheme have gained.

This story looks very much like a propaganda item from the ever present SNPBAAAAD Britnat propagandists. It has Westminster’s discredited name written all over it.

AAAh! I Just found a different reference by the SG on the matter:-

link to holyrood.com.

So Yes it is indeed a trumped up false-news story by Britnat gimps – Including, “The Lullaby Trust”, whose owners seems to have some rather suspect political connections.

Who knew?

Living in NI has few benefits, but one is the ability to tune into Irish radio as a means of avoiding this kind of endless Britnat propaganda.

Imagine my dismay then this morning listening to Newstalk on the way to work to hear Edwina Currie being interviewed over the border issue. Within a few minutes of her patronising and clueless waffling I was practically irate. Her first condescending statement was that Apple and Google, with bases in the Republic, should assist with their high-tech border controls.

What got me most was her airy explanation of why people voted for brexit – its a romantic idea, the Dunkirk spirit (a film which is ‘capturing imaginations’ and ‘filling houses’). Thankfully the presenter gave her a hard time, challenging on most points and reading the angry listener responses, something you sadly wouldnt hear on radio Scotland.

What planet are these tory types living on?

Dunkirk: another England victory. And of course they went on to win the war, all on their own.

O/T

2017 has lots of Great War Centenaries @ Scot Finlayson says at 1:07 pm

9th September 2017 is the 100th Anniversary of the Etaples Mutiny

link to en.m.wikipedia.org

Wonder if it will get the full Rwule Bwitania treatment (Royalty, Heads of State, Senior Military etc. etc.)

Probably not seeing as it all kicked off when a member of the Royal Military Police shot a Scottish Soldier dead.

240120, Corporal W B Wood, 1st/4th Gordon Highlanders (born Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire).

When his unit heard the news they fixed bayonets and went looking for the perpetrators
and it descended into anarchy for a bit.

British High Command feared an uprising (think Russia).

Anyway convienietly ignored and the ‘British Army the only one not to revolt during WWI’ myth still exists to this day.

Oh for someone called an editor to review Sandersons drivel report.

Well done Alex Clark, providing the facts on Further education at Colleges. Why wouldn’t/couldn’t the SNP do same?

The Lullaby Trust – nowadays whenever I see trust tagged on, I’m wary.

The National: I really rate the paper highly and would willingly pay a higher price than 70p, but then I may be in a substantial minority. The dialogue between Michael Fry and Kevin McKenna is fun. and not to overlook the other lady contributors, Tasmina, Carolyn, Cath,and the new kid on the block Shona Craven – doubt she’ll be on BBC again after her assured performance recently.The Sunday Herald at £1.80 I’m increasingly finding to be “flick thro'”. A crowdfunded to advertise the National on STV, and of course the Glasgow subway? – that went well for Rev Stu.

Re College students falling, do ya remember Ian (where’s the money from an oil fund coming from” Gray standing up in Parliament and ask during FMQ’s “what’s the FM going to do about the cut in College Courses for those with Learning Difficulties” ?

BBC RESEARCH = FOI requests. ‘The BBC has uncovered – – -‘ What!

The inbuilt denial of the BritNat mind is astonishing.

It’s beginning to look like EU flags at the Proms is going the way of Saltires at sports events … something to censor out!

link to archive.is [text only]

This line is astonishing ….

” … the BBC is famed for trying to stop the Proms from being politicised … “

… WTF! The proms, that annual display of rampant British Nationalism with Butcher’s Aprons being waved as everyone sings “Rule Britannia”, “Jerusalem” and “Land of Hope and Glory”!

Could it be more politicised than that!?

The Whisky Indsty is going to be saved with tariff free trade with India says the BBC ,

re – the comment i made about Australia being independent for two years before anyone told them ,oops it was actually about 55 years yep fifty five years ,
They became independent some time after 1931 – but did not have full recognised independence until the third of march 1986,

Whitehall was still trying to pull the strings , as far as i gather it was when some states started accerting their authority and some bods in Whitehall reminding them their requests had to be approved by H. M. Queen , That was when questions started being asked , OOPS thats a f/n big mistake eh ? .

Trust Westminster AYE i wouldn’t piss on them .

Reporting Scotland should just put SNPbad and Scotland is Shite on a loop and play it for 30 minutes at 18.30 every night, as that is what the “news” has been tonight

Missed Reporting Scotland. Did they report on Michael Gove and Danish access to Scotland’fishing grounds after Brexit

Believe it or not @sinky says at 7:00 pm

“Missed Reporting Scotland. Did they report on Michael Gove and Danish access to Scotland’s fishing grounds after Brexit”

YES THEY DID.

Mike Russell was on and gave a great performance.

“Shady back room deals”,

“We learned that Michael Gove can’t be trusted, but that isn’t new information”,

“Fishing is Devolved and SG should be involved in discussions”,

“Tories and this is a direct quote said that Scottish Fishing was expendable in the 1970s and they are going to do it again”,

“Ruth Davidson and the Conservatives campaigned that there would be no foreign access to UK waters out to 200 miles”

These are just some of his highlights.

Didn’t let the BBC Laddie talk over him either.

Regards the whisky, it’s bad for you, said my Labour loving pals in 2014, we are making people turn into ‘alcoholics’ with our whisky, like our oil was er, ‘dirty’ .

I dunno, all that wine these folk drink, must be thinking places like, Spain, Italy, should stop making the damn stuff it’s making people everywhere into alcoholics.

Oh, so much to be grateful for for Brexshit. Oh aye,

Aussie, (immigrants from Eng) relations just cannot get my determination to make sure Scotland becomes independent like they are. Much to my frustration!

Aye they would never return to live in Brexit England though, too savvy, nice people of course, but bankers you see.

Aye Alex, Phil’s gone affy quiet since you posted the actual facts regarding reduced college places. Of course we’ve all known this for years, and it’s been discussed on Wings many times before. But good to have the information repeatedly stated for anyone who has just come onto Wings for the first time

O/T I think some damage may have been done to Common Space following the attack on Wings and its cult following. Olive branch being held out by Robin McAlpine this afternoon it looks like.

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auld highlander says:

3 August, 2017 at 7:36 pm

Gove and fishing.
link to theguardian.com

I waited with bated breath to hear someone on RS at 6.30 to report on this story where were they all.

Tonight’s BBC story on ‘Whisky industry sees new opportunity in Brexit’ was utterly false:

htpp://www.scotlandisdifferentwordpress.com

Breathtaking!

Other news, 12h’s ago. Fracture?

link to uk.businessinsider.com

Concern about the kingdom splitting is high. Polling last year found that 62% of Scottish people and 53% of all UK voters, believed the country will fracture over the next ten years.

Comres / BBC poll: The United Kingdom will no longer exist as either Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland will be independent:

Net Likely: 53%
Net unlikely: 45%

So with the fishing it must be what the brexiters wanted when they said, ‘ taking back control’.

Aye, that must be why they went for Brexit then. Oh dear, wrong, so much wrong with the whole thing. Who knew eh.

Macart says:

Beaut isn’t it? …. Just the beginning.

A veritable shite show, and the South British ruling party seem to have lost the plot. Or have they?

There seems to be a consistency in the EU attitude to Brexit negotiations. Basically it amounts to .. “we didn’t cause Brexit, you [UK] did, so what solutions do YOU propose?”

That seems to be the Irish position where they are waiting for UK proposals and won’t do the border design work for Brexiteers. As far as they are concerned, they simply want an open border with no changes. Fair enough.

It does look as if the other two of three essentials ie citizens’ right and the divorce payment are also in limbo waiting for a UK proposed solution. The UK opening position on citizen’s right didn’t impress the EU.

Perhaps the problem is that the ToryUKTeam wants to be seen to have solutions imposed by the EU so they can grudgingly accept them as a necessary evil for a trade deal. Blame Johnny Foreigner.

Everything seems to revolve around appeasing the far right and selling an outcome to voters who were promised something different.

Quite a challenge!

We should be wary of a ‘blame the others’ get out plan. If it all falls apart, or any deal is unpopular, you can bet someone other than Brexiteers will get the blame. Perhaps this is what they are preparing the ground for.

Re Brexit.

Tonight I was talking to a guy from the central belt and he told me that the work for tipper lorries is drying up, he has only had three days work this week and the drivers are convinced that another recession is on the way.

Ooh, cracking start to Outlander tonight. Get over to More 4 right now.

Heedtracker@9.14

Not sure I can bare to read that. It’s all so fckd up. We really need all the strength we can get, to weather the UKOK, UKIP Tory brexit don’t we. If only 2014 could be magicked back so we could all vote for an independent Scotland eh. A forward looking, modern, 21st century country, it’s al, we asked for, and look what we got. Fandabby doos eh. Thanks no voters, and sorry, to blame. but to be so taken in by the lying toads. Never again?

@galamcennalath

Oh I don’t think there’s much doubt they’re lining up a fallguy. Tories are never responsible donchaknow? It’s the poor, the disabled, Johnny Foreigner, the Tartan terror… It’ll be somebody for sure. It’s pretty much S.O.P. for these folks.

It won’t however, be those truly responsible. The governing party of the UK. In fact several successive governing parties, but more specifically the actions of the current incumbents. You’re either in charge and responsible for the care and governance for ALL of the population in your care, or you’re not.

The buck stops at Westminster and in particular No.10.

This is their omnishambles and no one else need apply.

@MGallagher (3.29) –

Re Edwina Currie – your description of her delivering an ‘airy explanation’ is bang-on, and typical of her.

She seems to be making a living these days as a freelance gobshite, doing a lot of radio, and has become an unfortunate fixture on R5Live at weekends.

If you haven’t seen the following, you may find it interesting. It’s an interview she did on RTE’s Saturday Show just a few years ago.

link to youtube.com

Yes, good articlde from Robin McAlpine.

link to archive.is

But I had to read it all the way through, the start looked too much like a one-sided half defence.

First comment btl there though does raise another serious point – the abuse of other people’s postings / tweets.

I’m glad I’m not “out there” in real life. As a very active btl poster I get far more respect and less insults from Unionists, than us Indy campaigners seem to give each other.

At the end of the day I’m back in my real world, totally insulated from what goes on “below the line”. Many don’t have that insulation.

@Alex

The effects will be felt through every strata of our society and economy Alex. For instance, I doubt if a great many folk are aware that some 30% of the UKs food requirements are sourced from the EU.

As yet there are no contingency plans in place to either facilitate continued food import or indeed provide replacement for this requirement.

Somehow I doubt Mr Fox’s super cunning trans Atlantic cheap food deal will be in action anytime soon and even if it were, what would the introduction of cheap product do to the UK producer who couldn’t compete?

Chuck a brick in a still pond… etc.

The examples we’ve listed between us are pretty much just scratching the surface.

@yesindyref2: How do you feel about the use of “dickhead” and “dickwad” being used against another pro-indy commenter?

All the bleeding hearts for the EU nationals is nice. I like that compassion for them.

I just wish those overwhelming number of EU Nationals who voted NO rather than YES had had more compassion for people in Scotland in 2014.

Hopefully, they have learned, and hopefully the fishermen and their families will learn too.

When in Scotland, you should put Scotland’s interests first. Backing WM domination of Scotland only helps the UK / Scottish ruling elite stay the ruling elite.

@ Colin Alexander: “All the bleeding hearts for the EU Nationals is nice.”

Ha, yeah.

Bleurgh.

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Anyways, was just reading an article in Holyrood.com about Naomi Eisenstadt on the ‘roots of change’, and she really impresses me. Strong, and very, very clever.

@IanB
Probably already does 😎

@ MGallagher

Seems just a bit more interested in chatting about herself than the fate of people who were under her remit.

‘Twas ever thus; there was an interview with her in The Guardian recently, which I didn’t bother to read, but the headline was something like:

“The love of my life? Most people who know me would probably say it’s me.”

So she has some self-awareness, but no urge to reform.

@K1 says: 3 August, 2017 at 7:38 pm:

“Aye Alex, Phil’s gone affy quiet since you posted the actual facts regarding reduced college places.”

I had a wee laugh at Phil when he fondly imagined I had agreed with him. The guy is a puckle aff his heid. I didn’t bother getting back to him as i realised long ago that there is nothing in the World that could ever convince him that his political loyalty could ever be wrong or even have a wrong policy.

In Phil’s wee bubble the Union is greater than God the Father, The Holy Ghost and Jesus Christ all rolled into one and like the Pope is omnipotent. The guy is a numptie of the first water.

You can believe me that I have in years gone by, argued politics with senior members of Westminster cabinets. The only one that it was totally useless to engage in debate, as you cannot debate with those who only consider one opinion – their own). That one was none other than the Tory Secretary of State for Defence, “Michael Ray Dibdin Heseltine, Baron Heseltine, CH, PC.” a.k.a. TARZAN.

Such people cannot make logical arguments because they have no logical thoughts on matters. It is all dogma and everyone else is wrong no matter if they can furnish logical reasons that prove the dogma is mince.

@heedtracker says: 3 August, 2017 at 8:35 pm:

” … Polling last year found that 62% of Scottish people and 53% of all UK voters, believed the country will fracture over the next ten years.”

What country might that be, heedtracker? The United Kingdom is, by definition and by its official title, a bipartite united kingdom that contains four countries. It is not now, and never has been a single unified country.

@Ian Brotherhood

That interview with Edwina Currie was something else. What a complete buffoon and liar. Yes I was in charge of Broadmoor but I never gave Jimmy Saville the keys. It’s true he was wandering around unsupervised in the wards abusing young female patients but it wis nothing to dae we me. I was just the person in charge.

Oh and he took me too a club a very exclusive club in London and he was recommended for membership by Cardinal Hume no less FFS.

These upper class twits are what is holding Scotland back, they are ignorant of real life and real people. Please Scotland when you get a second chance to gain Independence grab it with both hands for all our sakes.

I’ll bet my house it’ll be sooner than ten years

Any Tories want to take that bet?

Where will this go, where does that go, that’s the kind of idea.

All the things that WILL happen upon i.

Play them out.

@Cactus

4) What should we commemorate and celebrate with our first post Indy postage stamps?

Excellent galamcennalath, thanks.

5) Where will we celebrate on the first anniversary of our iScotland?

Anyone for six?

MMmmmm Great for Finland but somehow bad for Scotland
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This is how State broadcaster manipulates viewers, twisting & lying to damage democratically elected scotgov
link to twitter.com

link to uk.businessinsider.com

link to scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk

Britain is still a world-beater at one thing: ripping off its own citizens
link to archive.is

link to channel4.com

Former Taoiseach Bruton says Ireland should ‘stop Brexit happening’
link to archive.is

link to irishtimes.com