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The People You Most Suspected

Posted on November 12, 2024 by

We’ll give you three guesses as to the highly controversial and extravagantly taxpayer-funded organisation that has its rainbow fingerprints all over this story, readers.

But you’re going to have two to spare.

Because, y’know, duh.

Who else would it have been?

LGBT Youth Scotland is a law unto itself under the current Scottish Government. It can survive a growing history of paedophilia and child abuse scandals, completely blank any questions about its activities no matter how clearly it appears to be in breach of its legal remit, and sneeringly brush off the utterly toothless and unaccountable Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator.

And it can do all that while stuffing its pockets with vast wads of your money.

Despite its extremely troubling track record, LGBTYS is bombarded with so much public money from so many sources that it must be difficult for it to keep track of where it’s all coming from, even after the likes of BBC Children In Need withdrew its funding in response to serious concerns.

But apparently none of that bothers the SNP. Indeed, the amount of taxpayer money going to the group seems to increase the more it advocates causing irreversible harm to children.

Chest binders and puberty blockers are unequivocally harmful treatments. Puberty blockers, which LGBTYS describes as “wonderful”, have effectively been banned on both sides of the border since the publication of the Cass Review, and there was never even any credible dispute that chest binders are intrinsically injurious to the health of young women and girls.

(And obviously so – plainly you shouldn’t go around trying to crush your body parts out of existence, especially when they’re still growing. It’s no more defensible than foot-binding, and would be regarded with horror and outrage in the West if it was happening in far-off and “primitive” cultures.)

So the fact that yet another idiot school in Scotland has been captured by the country’s premier grooming organisation should come as no surprise whatsoever to anyone who’s been paying the slightest attention. The only question is how much further LGBT Youth Scotland will go, and how much harm they’ll be paid to do to Scotland’s children, before someone in authority finally says “no more”.

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Ryan McAllister

This kind of bullshit is the reason that populist leaders such as Donald Trump ride on the coattails of outrage straight into power.

Iain C

If populist means not mutilating kids then I’m all fo it.

V Hartley

Basic, but real – sad in a way. Where did the grown-ups go?

John C

Trump picked up loads of votes on this issue and yet, the Democrats refuse to engage with the issue which hands more ground to the hard/far right. If they’d pivoted like Labour did it might have been closet but the Democrats are riddled with TRAs.

Lee

Arrant nonsense.

Astonished

The captured nuSNP will do nothing until Sturgeon, Somerville and the rest of the cabal are gone.

And there isn’t a single nuSNP MSP brave enough to stand up and protect the children.

Shame on them.

Confused by all this

All nusnp MSP’s fitted their spine and tongue binders when she/her took over and have been wearing them proudly ever since. Any dissent will only occur on loss of their gravy bus seat in 2026.

Zander Tait

The SNP must be destroyed.

Completely and forever.

Den

If I go into a shop an buy cigarettes or alcohol for anyone under 18 I’d be charged by the police yet this practice is funded by our government we reall are fucked in Scotland

Geoff Anderson

Labour, LibDems, Greens and the SNP all worship and support this Ideology…….with our MONEY

Campbell Clansman

Leftist governments throughout the western world take hard-earned money from the taxpayers to fund this nonsense.

James

Labour. LibDems. Greens. SNP.

LEFTIST!? ROTFLMFAO!!

Robert Matthews

FYYFC

James

And to you, ya fud.

Jason Smoothpiece

Outrageous behaviour by a school children safety should come first in schools.
the problem may be that the head teachers in schools have too firm a tenure so sacking them is difficult that applies to all teachers actually.

It is time this nonsense is stopped the people involved whether acting out their fetish or are simply mentally ill should not be allow near children and I include teachers.

Soon the SNP will be no more which will help normality to return.

Young Lochinvar

The question is JS, how long before big backer trans Atlantic funders worm their way into whoever comes next?

People, particularly parents need to put their foot down.

Otherwise..

Shug

What gets me is the unionists in the parliament are not kicking this ball straight into the face of Swinney.
Why are they not challenging his government and indeed why are the SNP members around him not realising they are not challenging what is obviously wrong because they can see how it will land with the public.

Swinney will be tared with promoting or protecting the wrong just as he be will be tared for redacting the truth and being involved in the cover up of perjury and conspiracy to pervert the cours of justice.

A good chap brought down by the company he keeps and his inability to do the right thing.

James

Because the unionist parties are all signed up to this stuff. In fact it was ‘Labour’ that started the ball rolling.

Ruby

Totally agree James.

We need a Trump here in Scotland.

Oneliner

We need a Tartan Brigade to match the Green Brigade.

In Scottish football we have teams espousing Ireland (tricolour) and England (butcher’s apron) Where can I fly my saltire?

Alf Baird

The oppressor always seeks to sow division, which makes it easier to manipulate the people (Freire).

Religion, language and identity are among the usual divisions in a colonial society (Fanon), also leading to a ‘cultural division of labour’ (Hechter), and a hierarchy reflecting the dominant oppressor culture (Cesaire).

Peter J

The unionists are not challenging this because they know that it will harm the SNP and therefore the independence cause. Pity Swinney and his Ministers are not quite as bright to realise the damage they are doing or perhaps they are? Maybe the Brit
state is crossing their palms with secret gold?

twathater

WHIT? a good man , a fucking corrupt ,spineless, deviant and pervert supporting piece of faeces, nae wonder Scotland is in the state it’s in , there are still TOO MANY ex snp supporters and members grieving at the loss of their perty, what will it take for you people to realise that you’ve been used and abused by these scum

FFS how much money have you given to these LIARS and TR@ ITORS who have abused YOUR trust and made OUR COUNTRY a laughing stock

WHAT has spineless swinney ever done to make OUR lives better , even his first round of leadership had to be saved by Salmond because he was grossly incompetent , he is comparable to slippers pishfart both of them are clowns
I support independence unreservedly BUT I DESPISE political parties and lying troughing incompetent politicians , and the snp is infested with them

Glenn Boyd

Very well said

Glenn Boyd

So, Swinny is “a good chap” right? You are having an fcuking laugh! He is a little, low-life scumbag who remains the frontman for the twt who will not be named. Wake the fcuk up man!

John C

A friends daughter (transman even though she’s 5 foot and clearly female) used binders before she had surgery. She has chronic back pain to the extent she needs sticks to walk.

She’s 24. Her body is wrecked, also as she’s on testosterone her system is also wrecked. I saw them both last week. He looked shattered and she’s incredibly surly so I can only imagine the hell he’s being put under.

It was LGBT Youth Scotland who helped her on this path of increasing disability not to mention her lifespan has decreased. Nobody will be held accountable when in a sane world LGBTYS members should be facing prison for abuse. My hope is some eventually do.

Mark Beggan

Visiting some friends over the Halloween period I seen their kids dressed up to go to a party. The average age I think was about 10 to 12 year olds. The theme was Transgender. The kids rate the TRA along with ghouls goblins and ghosts.

James Gardner

Seen one dressed as Jimmy saVILE…….WTF ?

Liz

We the public have no way to curtail the Scot gov.
It’s our fucking money and they spend on the stupidest things.

Sturgeon is apparently putting her name forward to stand for Holyrood in 2026.
It’s ridiculous, she’s never there.
If it goes ahead, she will get in on the list.

I despair

twathater

And that is the rub of the matter Liz ,these clowns ,and I mean ALL of them throw our money about like confetti, we SHOULD be one of the richest wee countries in the WORLD with a great social equalities structure and fair taxation, but instead our poverty statistics and drug abuse is going through the roof while these fuckwits waste millions on deviant and perverted issues

James Gardner

1 in 4 children in poverty and 1 in 4 pensioners dying in poverty, proof positive that the politicians are only interested in their salaries and pensions !

Effijy

Perhaps if the SNP leadership tried binding their heads things could get better.

Ruby

Why has all this gone so far? Is it because most people like Alistair Campbell didn’t think it was an issue of any importance and women weren’t worth listening to?

link to archive.ph

   Alastair Campbell is in the spotlight over women’s rights concerns and his, er, ignorance of the whole matter.

   In a recent podcast episode, Campbell spent much time opining on the trans issue – first expressing surprise at how much gender ideology concerns were cutting through with voters before confessing himself that the pod’s dynamic duo had been advised by former diplomat James Rubin: ‘You guys don’t get just how big this woke thing is.’

JK Rowling said

   ‘All it took was some men to explain to Alastair what women have been telling him for years.’

I noticed quite a few months ago that men BTL on Wings didn’t get it.

Do they get it now or not yet?

Hatey McHateface

before someone in authority finally says “no more”

Hang on – it’s the ones in authority who are saying “more of this please”.

I honestly don’t think this will change much in 2026 – WM Labour will be unpopular enough by then to ensure the SNP continue to rule the manky roost up here.

I suppose some upstanding, decent Scots who really care about this kind of stuff more than they enjoy posting online insults could get themselves organised in the real world to stand for election in 2026.

How about, say, Independents for Indy? A plebiscitary policy? Hello?? Anybody there???

Haha, who says humour is deid in Scotland?

Ruby

This is surely just a T issue. I have never heard of a Lesbian wanting to bind her breast or a gay man wanting to tuck his penis.

Have you?

Young Lochinvar

Yesterdays perverts are todays trendy norm..

See the long term fashionable trend yet?

A2 -What's the requested format?

The good news (incase anybody missed it ) is the teachers have revolted, haven’t been canceled And it’s gone into the MSM.

Martin

This will only continue with sturgeon controlling everything. The fact that she has submitted an application for Holyrood 2026 means gender ideology will be front and centre for another 5 year

Ruby

Which party do you reckon will not make gender ideology an issue?

Liz

Alba, ISP, various independents, maybe under the IFI banner and the Tories.
Our choice

Willie

Forgive me but are Boaby extenders legit. Cock stretchers for those he think Boaby is a girl.

Or what about breast implants. Silicon tits fo use the vernacular. Maybe Bobby who wants to become Bobbi ( with or without the Boaby) would approve.

It’s a serious business this SNP government. Some may say a Lon Ball one but that would be discriminatory. Loon after all in the North East used to mean lad, whilst Ball we all know means male genitalia.

And to think I was an SNP member, and an active one at that for 37 years to get this. It’s absolutely nuts, not of the testes type but of the monkey nuts kind.

Time methinks that the SNP were utterly gone. Or am I, like most of the rest of the Scottish populace just out of touch with Sturgeon, Sommervile and the gang. Don’t think so.

Chas

Throughout history smaller disciplined groups of people all too easily defeated the disorderly masses. The elite (not necessarily politicians) knew how to work together in defence of their common interests.
The masses were simply unable to bring about effective collaboration to further their causes. The elite focused on ensuring that the plebs (you and me) would never learn to cooperate with each other. This is as true today as it ever was. A quick look at the Independence movement in Scotland today and you find that it is fractured in so many different ways, with each faction actually appearing to hate each other and that suits the elites just fine.

Who are the elites?

It can vary from country to country but, in no particular order-the church, royalty, the uber rich, big business. Some politicians could come under this heading but they have to stand for election every 4/5 years, and run the risk of being voted out. No worries, there will be another batch of politicians to take their place. It does help if you are an African or Ru$$ian dictator with no need for tiresome elections. A multitude of political parties in any particular country is excellent news for the elites. They can simply sit back and watch the infighting amongst the masses. If one politician or party looks as if it could maybe rock the boat, simply organise the media to get rid or start a war. No elite will ever be picking up a rifle. This is the way of the world and has been for centuries. It will not be changing any time soon. Depressing isn’t it?

I am no Communist or Marxist-simply a realist.

Alistair

The privately educated covers all of the above.

Alf Baird

In colonial societies the elite is made up of two main groups (Memmi):

1. the colonizer/se***er, and;

2. the more culturally/language assimilated native, tending toward the bourgeoisie and privately educated who mimic and adopt the values of the colonizer in order to maintain their privileged position.

Hence there exists in a colony a cultural division of labour (Hechter) favouring the colonizer culture, language and values, and discriminating against the native, and his/her culture and language resulting in socio-linguistic prejudice and institutionalised racism.

link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com

The Flying Iron of Doom

I know that the left’s hatred of private education is de rigueur but with the way the schools are at present, are you honestly going to tell me that given the funds you would still opt to send your kid(s) to a state school? 🙄

Hatey McHateface

“simply a realist”

Naw, a defeatist.

Maybe people need to find out more about their parents and grandparents lives. They might learn about the post-war settlement, which started in 1945, and was brought about by the organised ordinary people of this country, working with a committed Labour party, to wrest large amounts of the country’s wealth away from the elites to distribute it to the masses.

The Welfare State, the NHS, social housing, etc – all kick started in these years. All brought about by activism from below.

Most UK history since has been about the elites slowly taking it back, whilst the lumpen proles pretended what their parents had fought for was now a divine right, education and work were unnecessary, and our standard of living needed no effort whatsoever to maintain.

It’s defeatist to say that ordinary people can’t organise again, and defeatist to say we’re all in thrall to the media too.

It’s realist to state that despite all the greetin and gurnin on here and elsewhere, and the slump in disposable incomes, we’ve still, by and large, seldom had it so good. Few of us could endure the standard of living our grandparents thought of as normal.

And on just about every street corner in Scotland these days, you’ll see the people who have risked life and freedom on their rubber dinghies to get a piece of what we have. They’re not greetin and gurnin.

They think they’ve died and gone to heaven.

Chas

Where did I say that ordinary people can’t organise again and we are all in thrall to the media? Things simply had to change after the last war, but ‘freedoms’ gained and living standards raised, are gradually being eroded.
Have a look around Scotland. Who is even attempting to galvanise the people? Our Government? The Opposition?
I genuinely believe that some, but only some, people enter ‘politics’ to try and make a difference. It does not take them too long to realise that they are on their own and that they should instead look after themselves and those close to them. It is simply human nature.

At least you tried. Baird simply plagiarises his heroes that nobody has heard of or is interested in. Again and again and again.

twathater

Oh No! just when you think that Chas is joining the ranks of real indy supporters with common sense he goes and spoils it again getting hard at mentioning Professor Baird

Chas

I really should not respond to cranks like you but I will keep it relatively short and not so sweet.
What/who are real Indy supporters?
Individuals like you , Baird and all the rest of the unhappy ‘Happy Clappy Club’ actually deter free thinking and sane individuals becoming involved in any Independence movement. It might be inconvenient to you but your lot achieve absolutely nothing for mainstream Scots.
You conveniently forget that your ilk represent, let’s be generous, 2% of the Scottish electorate. The downright awful SNP, represent a damn site more, even after more of their incompetence and corruption is revealed every single day.
To sum it up, you are an ERSE and not worth bothering about.
By all means keep posting your mince but, don’t expect many to take you seriously. Unless of course, they are happy to be counted within the minuscule club.
Are you Alfie Boy’s boyfriend?

Hatey McHateface

There’s you making that claim again, twathater. I’d keep it under wraps, even if it does work like a charm for you. The Viagra Boys won’t appreciate you muscling in on their lucrative turf 🙂

Robert Matthews

Professor Plum more like.

Ruairidh

What are they spending all that money on?

agent X

The accounts are available here
link to s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com

Relak Singh

Thank God that LGBT stands for Liquor, Guns, Beef and Tits again in the US again.

Lorna Campbell

It’s the politicians’ hard drives that require to be examined, along with the heads of these idiots who fall for this utter bilge water.

I do not believe for one nanosecond that any of them except for the terminally insane believe in this nonsense, so what are they getting out of it?

The SNP and all the Unionist parties, the Greens, too. What are they getting out of it? Each of the parties is riddled with psychopaths and, probably, sadistic (s)peedos – oh, and drooling, idiot females who cannot think independently. Nothing else explains this stuff.

That it is a social contagion is so obvious, it is painful, but is it not the job of politicians to break these contagions when and where they arise?

The real problem is that Stonewall captured every public (and most private, too, now) sphere. Posts were established for those who make money out of the misery of others, and they become self-producing.

Sadism is the overriding factor. People abound in all the ‘trans’ groups, and among the politicians, who are sadists and who gain the greatest pleasure from the physical and mental torture of others, but mainly innocent children and teens. Sexual sadism. Foot-binding was sexual, too, aa well as ‘keeping women in their place’.

Among the parents are Munchausen’s by proxy individuals. All these mental illnesses would once have been seen for what they are, but, because they are wrapped up in ‘be kind’ and virtue-signalling self-righteousness, they pass under the radar.

The people who promoted that in that school are sadists who get enjoyment from torturing young girls. Maybe we should be looking at the simple explanations: sadism, deep-rooted sexual deviance, greed, keeping themselves relevant, circular jobs for the boys and girls, and last, but not least, the intoxicating power that it gives them, warped and stunted as they are, over others.

Alf Baird

Domination and hence ‘sadism’ lies at the heart of colonial oppression (Freire), for which liberation is the only remedy (Memmi).

An oppressed people need to focus on their own national identity and culture which liberates them (Fanon), and discard gender identity or any other alien/voodoo ideology or culture which seeks to destroy them.

Jay

”What are they getting out of it?”

The reasons which you set out seem eminently reasonable but someone, somewhere, pointed out that the QT (etc) policies are guaranteed, eventually, to provoke an adverse reaction and discredit the promoters including ostensible Scots Nats. That thesis also seems very plausible.

It seems clear-enough that British Agents have a record of tolerating appalling treatment of children and it could be inferred) employing abusers. Maybe that is a template.

Have we heard the name kincora?

Lorna Campbell

Jay, I would agree with both you and Alf, except that this kind of colonialism is male on female, in the main, the oldest colonialism on the planet, and England is just as much in thrall to this life-ending bilge water as anyone else – not quite as far down the rabbit hole as Scotland, and might make hay while the sun shines vis-a-vis Scotland, but the security services are not the root of this particular evil – and evil it is.

Jay

Lorna, I agree with all your comments. The key concept is ‘power’, so far as I can see. The expropriating of it and its structuring and abuse create a parallel between colonialism/imperialism and patriarchal social systems.

‘Evil’ is not really part of my thinking but the word serves well to emphasise the appalling abuse perpetrated against immature persons.
The motivations of the more powerful people involved is nearly incomprehensible to me.

willie

And meanwhile in the big world the ex prime minister is declaring that if president elect Trump decides to cut funding to Ukraine there will be nothing for it but British troops to go into Ukraine.

Seems like with all Sir Keir’s tax rises, benefit cuts, and the lurking plans to reintroduce conscription for all eighteen year olds it looks like Scotland has something else to give.

And give handsomely the Scots did in two world wars. Slaughtered in proportionally greater numbers than their English counterparts Scotland gave greatly of its sons. No different really from gas, oil, wind energy, a base for England’s nuclear submarine fleet, or the advanced reactor at Dounreay that the English government couldn’t get further from Scotland, Scotland has much to give. Just resources, to be taken and used, and we accept it.

And meanwhile our independence party in the pretend parliament in Edinburgh wastes it’s time on trans gender woke nonsense.

Ah how the donkeys bray the bray of the gormless. More glass beads for them.

Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh

From Tom Devine’s book The Scottish Nation 1700-2000:

“Of the 157 battalions which comprised the British Expeditionary Force, 22 were Scottish regiments […] The human losses were enormous and unprecedented. Of the 557,000 Scots who enlisted in all services, 26.4 percent lost their lives. This compares with an average death rate of 11.8 percent for the rest of the British army between 1914 and 1918. Of all the combatant nations, only the Serbs and the Turks had higher per capita mortality rates, but this was primarily because of disease in the trenches rather than a direct result of losses in battle. The main reason for the higher-than-average casualties among the Scottish soldiers was that they were regarded as excellent, aggressive shock troops who could be depended upon to lead the line in the first hours of battle.” (The Scottish Nation 1700-2000, by T.M. Devine. Published by Allen Lane The Penguin Press 1999. Page 309)

Tinto Chiel

Yes, an apposite quotation, that. Furthermore, Scotland’s War Losses by Duncan Duff (1947) gives a fuller picture of how Scottish troops were deployed and the disproportionate losses they suffered. The author was a ex-Cameronian and spent years researching the subject.

The book is quite hard to get nowadays, although it occasionally turns up in second-hand bookshops or even on A____n. The Electric Scotland website used to publish it but I was unable to find it there recently.

A taste of it can be had by the following quotation (page 57): “Scotland has never been regarded as an equal partner in the Union, but rather as a subject province, a reservoir of manpower which might be exploited to provide colonial pioneers and fighting men”.

Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh

“I should imagine that two or three independent highland companies might be of use; they are hardy, intrepid, accustomed to a rough country, and no great mischief if they fall” (Major-General James Wolfe, Heights of Abraham, Québec, 9 June 1751. Wolfe had been present at Culloden in 1745.)

Breeks

I wonder how the current war in Eastern Europe compares, with regards to casualties.

The wanton nature of the propaganda and wilful disinformation makes it incredibly difficult to calculate losses accurately, and the disparities between estimates are unhelpful to say the least.

However, if we take an estimated size of the “U” army as around 2.2 million men, then a death rate of (say) 25% is over half a million men, and some estimates put “U” losses considerably higher.

There are in fairness reports of comparable “R” losses, but results on the ground make this doubtful. There is a very clear victor emerging from the conflict, but even emphatic victory has a price.

Only history will reveal the true casualties, (maybe), but the loss of so many young men looks very ominous for “U”, and I suspect losses may even exceed World War casualty rates. This war has been catastrophic for “U”, with virtually nothing to show for countless billions sent in military aid except a lost generation.

The “R” forces have made mistakes, they have been ambushed when they were reckless or incompetent, and did at times surrender the initiative, Kursk in particular. But the same could be said for the Battle of the Bulge in 1944; all it achieved was a squandering of resources which hastened inevitable defeat.

I don’t wish to demean the casualties in any way, but for me, one of the most grotesque and unsettling features of the war has been brazen dishonesty of the Western media reporting lie after lie, after lie. Disgusting. Get these bastards in a dock. They have blood on their hands.

Robert Hughes

” I don’t wish to demean the casualties in any way, but for me, one of the most grotesque and unsettling features of the war has been brazen dishonesty of the Western media reporting lie after lie, after lie. Disgusting. ” .

I couldn’t agree more , B .

And they’re still doing it .

When going to some of the ( honest ) podcasts I follow , on the sidebar there are * news * items by such paragons of truthful information as ,eg The Sun ; Times ; Mail as well as obviously Kiev produced items ; needlessly to say I never watch them , or , if I’m curious to see exactly what’s being said I may watch the first few minutes . Their titles , alone , are instantly recognisable as fiction

It truly is the most brain-crushingly crude/stupid and demonstrably lying garbage imaginable .

According to which , U are on the verge of totally destroying R ; P***n is cowering in a bunker pleading for mercy and the R Army is crumbling like sand castles in the rain . It truly is the stuff of adolescent comic book heroes fantasy . It would be laughable if it wasn’t the case that whilst such emetic propaganda is still being spewed-out on West MSM 1000s of human beings are still dying horrific deaths – and for what ; so the human filth that instigated this carnage , and who reside nowhere near the frontlines of death can save face , claim some kind of * victory * , deny the reality of absolute , abject defeat .

?Their mission to collapse the P***n Gov was insane from it’s inception , a product of supreme arrogance , and now , after the hubris comes the nemesis .

A spectacular , self-inflicted explosion of West stupidity has blown-up/away the credibility of N.A.T.O ; the equally gung-ho for slaughter E.U and every Western Gov that from day one joined the chorus of hypocritical outrage and refused , still refusing , to acknowledge that , like every other country – R has legitimate security concerns , and , rightly , it perceived , the US promoted expansion of NATO up to it’s border as a direct threat & provocation .

U.S toy – NATO , by it’s bad faith and wilful ignorance ( of others’ concerns ) has * achieved * the exact opposite of what it intended .

On the subject of how the entire West MSM is merely the propaganda wing of the array of despicable Govs ,focused on the really disgusting distortion of reality re the * trouble * in Amsterdam recently , Jonathan Cook , as ever , tells the truth and exposes the cowards in MSM who also know the truth but refuse to broadcast it for reasons we know all too clearly

link to jonathancook.substack.com

Hatey McHateface

Aye, Bob, not enough casualties in U, and not enough casualties in Amsterdam either. Not for you, anyway.

And as usual, there’s something about a nation fighting to protect and preserve itself against annihilation against unequal odds that “provokes” you.

It’s not an understandable POV for a self-identifying Indy supporter. Who ever knew that Indy contained a cadre who supported the imperialists, the colonisers, the usurpers and the occupiers? Strange times indeed.

Dangerous for Scotland too, if your frankly bizarre ideas ever get mainstream traction. Here we are, jammed against the border of the world’s supposedly pre-eminent imperialist, coloniser, usurper and occupier – England.

Best not provoke them, eh, Bob? Otherwise, by your warped logic, we’ll deserve to be destroyed as a nation, with any survivors dispersed across the globe.

England has legitimate security concerns, Bob!

Alf Baird

England has legitimate security concerns” “we’ll deserve to be destroyed as a nation”

Scotland also has rather obvious security concerns, since being annexed for over 300 years.

And a nation subject to colonialism is always ‘in the process of perishing’ (Fanon).

Robert Matthews

Alf Baird (Fanny)

James

Look in a mirror.

Jay

Have you seen anything from RM which could possibly promote Scottish independence? Please let us know.

James

Uh-oh. That war talk’s got his wee mushroom excited again.

Hatey McHateface

A talking plook! BTL channeling Family Guy yet again.

As I recall it was Chris who was afflicted – he’s obsessed with onanism too.

znovak

I have no doubt that in late 1930s Bob would defend legitimate interests of Germany in neighbouring countries, admire political wisdom of Neville Chamberlain and denounce that bloodthirsty imperialist warmonger, Churchill. To recommend Jonathan Cook as unbiased source of information with straight face requires … a special effort.
I am not sure if people who downvoted your comment ever heard about irony.

Hatey McHateface

You have to understand there’s a strand of opinion that believes that as long as U has sovereignty and freedom, Scotland can’t have it.

They somehow or other believe freedom and sovereignty is a zero-sum game, or in popular parlance, a cup final. Somebody has to win and somebody has to lose.

At least that’s the best explanation I can come up with. I can certainly find some other explanations, but they’re all so risible it makes the zero-sum game explanation seem like sage-like wisdom.

Just as soon as U goes under, Scotland will be free! Yup, ludicrous, isn’t it.

znovak

Yup indeed. I cannot fathom how people who ostensibly support Scottish independence can be in favour of U losing its freedom to a power that wants to reclaim what used to be a part of Soviet Union, but became an independent state (and why they bring it up repeatedly on Wings BTL). Is it cognitive dissonance when someone who protests “violent land theft in West bank” almost simultaneously approves of violent thefts of U territory by R?

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Jay

From what I read, it seems that U is increasingly losing ground to its greedy and powerful imperialist neighbour. People there might think they are resisting imperialism. They seem to be desperately short of many types of arms and ammunition and suffering excessive manpower losses and substantial civilian casualties as a consequence.

Sources in U would be helping their enemy if they provided really extensive detailed information. Despite that, I read some criticism of malpractice by the govt there.

UK media are, usually, not worth reading. For all I know, the Mail &/or Express might still be mentioning cancer and imminent demise of pres p.

It would be helpful if Robt Hughes, Breeks and others would give at least an outline description of the muscovite regime since the fall of Gorbachev as that might validate the implication that those neighbouring people should now accept muscovite invasion.

When an account of the muscovite regime is given, perhaps there will be mention of 2 wars in Chechenya, the rise of ‘Oligarchs’, deaths of political opponents and journalists, but lets see what you think is relevant.

Then it might be possible to assess the context in which some people, in land previously ruled from muscovy, took an opportunity to remove their government.

What were/are the pro’s and con’s of the former and the current governments in ‘keev’?

Hatey McHateface

Why do we need the Western media to report the casualties, or anything else, when we have you?

How can you claim the R forces ever “surrendered the initiative”? They would be simply baiting a trap, to spring it shut when it suits them.

Didn’t your youthful worship of Stalin, and your indoctrination into the cult of the omnipotent supreme leader, teach you the penalty for defeatist speculation?

Jeezo, Breeks, in Orcland they’re giving out 5-year terms in solitary for posts like yours right now!

“virtually nothing to show for countless billions sent in military aid except a lost generation”

I dunno, Breeks. There are still a few men and women around who would prefer to pick up a gun than go meekly to their mass grave. Who prefer a month’s free fighting for their country to 30 years in another country’s gulag. Whose preferred last sighting of their wife or daughter is her waving them goodbye as they head to the front, and not her screaming as she is gang-raped in her own bedroom.

Bizarre you can’t see that, but hey, Scottish Indy attracts some odd characters.

Wonderful characters they are too, and you enrich our social fabric. Obviously, we have to keep you well away from any positions of power or influence though.

Campbell Clansman

Uh, big historical miscues by commenter Fearghas.
Wolfe wasn’t even in Canada in 1751, let alone a major general in 1751 (he was a lt. col. at the time).
The battle of the Plains of Abraham (not the Heights) was in Sept. 1759. He wasn’t there in June 1759 either.
The Battle of Culloden was in 1746, not 1745. Wolfe could not have been “at Culloden in 1745.”
So basically every asserted “fact” of the comment is laughably wrong.

sam

Idiot.

“Wolfe fought at Culloden in 1746 and saw further service in Scotland and Ireland during the 1750s. His tactical theories and significant improvements to firing and bayonet techniques were an important part of his legacy and were posthumously published as ‘General Wolfe’s Instructions to Young Officers’ (1768).”

From National Army Museum.

The NAM also says that “Using flat-bottomed landing craft, he took his 4,500 troops up the St Lawrence River and landed them south-west of Quebec. They then scaled the Heights of Abraham to surprise the French and draw them out of the city and into battle precisely where Wolfe wanted to fight.”

Laughably wrong

James

Tories are usually wrong, Sam.

Campbell Clansman

In short, you confirm that Fearghas was, as I pointed out, laughably wrong.
Thanks!

Oneliner

Hands up who gives a shit about the racist Wolfe

Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh

Your pedantry is sinister (and indeed rather sickening) in its evasion of substantive issues of such consequence. The key facts of course are:

1) James Wolfe was present at Culloden,

2) James Wolfe was in command over Highlanders in Canada, 

3) the earlier posted words are indeed those of James Wolfe.

A few supportive references out of the many available (but of course you presumably know all this already):

« On June 9, 1751 in Banff, Scotland, [James Wolfe] was replying to a letter from a distressed friend in North America. … Wolfe spoke from experience. Just five years earlier, the upcoming and well-connected major serving at Culloden had witnessed the ferocity of the last Highland charge on British soil and had been on outpost duties ever since. Wolfe was convinced that the Highlanders, with whom he now played hide and seek in the Highlands, would make excellent irregulars to combat the Indians in the wilds of New Scotland. “I should imagine that two or three independent Highland companies might be of use,” he wrote. “They are hardy, intrepid, accustomed to a rough country, and no great mischief if they fall.” [Wolfe to Rickson, June 9, 1751, Banff, quoted in Beckles Wilson, The Life and Letters of James Wolfe (London: William Heineman, 1909), 139] »
(Ian McCulloch, Canadian Forces College, 2008)
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« In 1744 he [James Wolfe] was appointed captain in the 4th Foot and in 1745 he returned to England with the army withdrawn to deal with Prince Charles Edward’s invasion. In January 1746 he was present at the Hanoverian defeat at Falkirk (which inspired Duncan Ban Macintyre to compose his famous song). He was shortly afterwards made aide-de-camp to Lieutenant-General Henry Hawley. In this capacity he took part in the battle of Culloden (16 April 1746), and may or may not have refused to obey an order from William Augustus, Duke of Cumberland, to shoot a wounded Highlander. Wolfe died due to fatal wounds received at the battle of the Plains of Abraham (1759) »
(‘General Wolfe at the Battle of Culloden 1746’, by Carmichael Watson, 2010) 
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Another relevant snippet:

« The number of Highland Scots in the British Army in North America during the French and Indian War was significant — about a quarter of the force and a third of the officer corps. And they took a wildly disproportionate number of casualties. The Army’s casualty rate was 9 percent; the Highland Regiments 32 percent. »
(The Shock Troops Of The Empire, Jim Cornelius, 2021)

Campbell Clansman

Fearghas, glad to see you confirm that you despise accuracy…. and facts.

twathater

I wouldn’t worry Fearghas I think Crapper Campbell has amply exposed his eagerness and willingness to sacrifice his Scottishness to ensure that he can remain affixed to the engerlish ring piece, unfortunately Scotland is infested by masochists who relish the pain and misery THEIR engerlish lordships inflict on them

Jay

Presumably, your comment is intended to discredit Fearghas Mc F. but your attempt is nugatory. Such imprecision as may have occurred is of chronology, not truly history.
An attempt at self-aggrandisement seems likely.

Tinto Chiel

And we shouldn’t forget the most revealing words which followed that statement, if I remember correctly: “How better can you employ a secret enemy than by making his end conducive to the common good?”

Hatey McHateface

“Scotland gave greatly of its sons”

Indeed willie, but dinna fash, we’ve few sons to give this time around.

Or daughters either – enough of your sexist bias. 🙂

It’ll be the sons and daughters of the immigrants, and they’ll willingly step into the role. They will know that their survivors will now “own” this country. Which is only right. If you fight for anything, whilst others stand on the sidelines, then that thing is yours.

And if anybody stands in your way, well, you know how to fight, and they don’t.

This is nothing new, willie, ten thousand examples fill the history books.

Careful what you wish for.

Lee

I’m retired. An ex headteacher. How in the name of common sense (and more pertinently, safeguarding) this school.is still open, is beyond me.

BLMac

It’s obvious that schools would be targeted.
After all, who benefits from all this? Not the kids, they’re victims.

The paedophiles are subverting education.

Kevin Cargill

For the umpteenth time on here and everywhere else. The unionists are not pouncing on this issue for the same reason none of the opposition parties are making much of it. Gender bollocks has traction because IMHO a huge number of trans identifying males are male prostitutes and they have many names in their little black books and images on their cctv hard drives. With insurance like that god knows how we stop the advancement of queer theory and its attendant paedophiles!

Dan

Three letters in my name is a close to god as I get.
We* could stop it by working to elect decent un-corruptable individuals to represent their local constituents.
And that work is something that should have been started many years ago when it became clear to anybody that doesn’t have their head stuck up their arse that all the political Parties have been corrupted and are therefore controllable, and this allows the genderwoowoo and other flawed matters to be rolled out.

*That “We” means a lot more folk than you and I though, but it seems most folk are quite happy to sit and highlight and whinge about all the wrongs with the current political situation without putting any effort into creating or supporting a solution to right the wrongs they so regularly complain about.

As a very practical person that spends an awful lot of my time in amongst people whilst fixing and building all manner of things, I recognise that a huge amount of people lack the comprehension and abilities required to resolve issues.
The ongoing contagion of folk affected by ADHDlike insta division of folk on a like / dislike click basis and the resultant loss of wider critical thinking that shitey social media sites has created has trashed ability of folk to unify and achieve a single objective.

Lorna Campbell

There is, however, Kevin, a great deal of difference between gay cross-dressing men who cater for men, and the heterosexual variety. Their mutual contempt for women and the wearing of woman as a skin may be the same, but the former are not a direct threat to females. The heterosexual variety is far more sinister and manipulative – and dangerous for both females, children and for society, as a whole, not to mention animals. They exhibit a dangerous paraphilia/fetish which they deliberately feed as much as they can, rather like a drug addict or gambler who cannot be controlled without third party intervention.

Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh

Postmodernism, as we all well know by now, typically rejects any “Big Story” (meta-narrative). In its view of reality as transient flux, relativistic post-modernism spurns time-spanning narratives such as classical Marxism or incarnational Christianity.

With no laws (even biological) to constrain us or combine us, we are left ungrounded and unintegrated (disintegrated even).

Since there is no objective Big Story behind existence, we subjectively present as untranslatable short stories (“without beginning, middle or end“, to borrow a phrase from Will Self about his own modernist writing).

So free-floating absolute freedom paradoxically traps us within incommunicable personal bubbles.

And if a government subscribes to such an outlook, ie if it recognises no law whatsoever above its own assertive subjectivity, it can descend into chaos or start to strut with the hubris of totalitarianism. (Or of course, as in the case of Sturgeon’s Scotland, exhibit both simultaneously).

Thus Herman Dooyeweerd can ask regarding Nazism: “If everything is in historical flux and if the stability of principles is a figment of the imagination, then why prefer an ideology of human rights to the ideals of a strong race and its bond to the German soil?” (Roots of Western Culture: Pagan, Secular, and Christian Options)

So we detect a strong whiff of radical postmodernist influence in the current Gender Recognition Act – the laws of biology and physicality deemed to be neither abiding nor binding (to employ our word of the day).

SteepBrae

Which would help explain why we’ve lost so many good politicians in recent years, from all parties: they were grounded and principled so had to be replaced.

twathater

TBQH SteepBrae I am 73 yoa and I cannot think of any GOOD politicians from any of the parties, ALL the ones that I can remember very quickly ensured that their circumstances were prioritised before and instead of the electorate

Young Lochinvar

I wonder what school Biology lessons are like now?
No, strike that, I don’t..

Anyone else watch Starmer quoting unachievable Green targets on the news and feel a sense of overwhelming Deja vu?

You know what will be next..

Dan

School “biology” lessons will be fucking great for the modern day “progressive” policymaker.
There will be no more animal welfare issues with the veal trade when young male bovines are born.
Simply ignore conventional biological reality, feed em up, and connect them up to milking machines: Though personally I’d rather not have #TransMilk on my muesli.

NB. Only hurdle I envisage after attending the Revive event at the weekend is that the “progressives” are pushing the ideology that would mean each individual bullock would need to give consent as every animal now requires agency to self-determine their futures.

Robert Hughes

This , ie the subject of this WOS post , is how the Unionists will take control of Holyrood . That it is being promoted/financed by the SNPGov , without even a murmur of criticism by the rest of SNP shitebags , indicates to me that this is intentional .

The final , definitive destruction of the former ” Party of Independence ” is almost complete .

The fact that Labour and the other * main * Parties are just as bad is neither here nor there – the SNP are in government – have been for many years – a will carry the can for unleashing this harmful lunacy .

And deserve everything that’s heading their way

Geoff Anderson

We are now in Hell. The remaining SNP voters will keep supporting the TransCult SNP. The SNP will pick up list seats when they lose Constituencies. (D’Hondt system).The dregs in the SNP political class will just shuffle around seats until pension day.

The sane will never vote SNP and will vainly search for an alternative. They will divide across the various options.

Sturgeon has achieved her objective.

Sven

No disagreement here with that summation, however I’d look back beyond even Ms Sturgeon to the true authors of this bourach.
Labour’s messrs Blair and “Father of the Nation” Dewar; the architects of our present devolved administration. Who introduced the closed list variant of the D’Hondt voting system, thus ensuring control of the list MSPs who depend upon the grace and favour of the Party leaders for their positions.

Alf Baird

Dinna forget the local government franchise an aw, perhaps ok for local government, less so for national government elections or especially constitutional referendums on self-determination of ‘a people’.

TURABDIN

WHO REMEMBERS THE ARMENIANS?

link to archive.ph

The great thing about notions of political principle is that they may be easily sacrificed to any politico-economic expedient, Starmer, Lammy, van der Leyen etc
Suspects, posers, politicians…

Republicofscotland

Utterly disgraceful – concerned parents should remove their children from this school immediately.

Meanwhile another treacherous troughing SNP b*stard wants his snout back into the gravy trough.

GET THE SNP AND GREENS OUT.

“A veteran SNP MSP who was forced to resign from the Scottish Government following an expenses scandal is hoping to stand again at the next Holyrood election.
Michael Matheson is understood to have submitted his application to party bosses ahead of a deadline this week. A decision on whether he will be approved as a candidate will be made next year.”

Sven

Mate of “Honest” John’s ? No problem.

agent X

Chest binders and puberty blockers are unequivocally harmful treatments.

Yeah but how many Scottish soldiers died in wars?
Christ!

Cath

It’s no more defensible than foot-binding, and would be regarded with horror and outrage in the West if it was happening in far-off and “primitive” cultures.”

It’s exactly the same as “breast ironing”, which you’re supposed to call the police about immediately if you suspect it’s happening to a girl. Quite why it’s totally fine and to be advocated by schools when you call it “binding” instead of “ironing” or “flattening” I have no idea at all.

link to met.police.uk

KOF

Transgenderism is Satanism.

“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!”

Isaiah 5:20

Mark Beggan

It is being said that Sturgeon is taking control again!

Oh Goody! Wherever Chucky goes disaster is sure to follow.

diabloandco

I haven’t forgotten that slur.

I have become Sturgeon phobic.

Alf Baird

The SNP elite appear totally oblivious to the fact that colonialism involves ‘hateful racism’ (Cesaire), and that self-determination independence means decolonization, according to the UN.

Chas

Have you any thoughts of your own Alfie boy? All you ever do is quote other numpties.
At least we were spared your cute wee Scottishy words this time,
Is it four, fower or ferr we should be using?

Alf Baird

Yes academics often use referencing to confirm their sources. Perhaps you have never read an academic paper or studied for a degree?

Based on my analysis of postcolonial theory and other published literature I was able to develop the only theoretical framework available on the subject of Scottish independence. You can read about the framework here, and it also includes lots of references:

link to wp.towson.edu

Republicofscotland

Thanks Alf for the link a very interesting read.

twathater

PROFESSOR Alfred Baird please do not ask wee Chas to edumacate himself, he’s liable to get above himself and try to become a PROFESSOR

Chris

That’s my secondary school in the paper. We never had any of that when I was there!

Stevie

Fking criminal : the SNP is the shte clogging the waste disposal pipes of Scottish politics.


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