We’ll never have that recipe again
A remarkable insight into how Scottish Labour MPs see the people of Scotland, and the future that awaits us after a No vote, from an article posted on Labour Uncut today:
Hear that, people of Scotland? For even considering taking control of your own affairs like adults, Scottish Labour (ironically) thinks you’re behaving like stupid kids too dumb to come in out of the rain. Mm, feel the respect from your representatives.
There’s a whole extra level of irony, of course, in the fact that a No vote is much more likely to result in Scots being outside the EU. But we digress. The article goes on:
“No one denies that children can’t [sic] have fun in the rain. Getting wet, however, is unavoidable. And Osborne and Barroso have made clear just how wet an independent Scotland would get.
If Scotland only begrudgingly stays in the union, seeing it as a lesser evil than the drenching threatened by exciting [sic, presumably “exiting”], we will stay together but only on arid and vindictive terms.”
Something fun to look forward to there, then. The grotesque, sneering, juvenile and dishonest tone of the “Better Together” campaign can’t possibly result in any other kind of No vote than a “begrudging” one. We’ve been pointing that out for about two years now so it’s interesting to see its own supporters agreeing, and thereby saying that a No vote is a vote for a bitterly divided, poisonous and resentful future UK.
(Though perhaps not as interesting as watching a faithful Labour site unquestioningly accepting that George Osborne and a right-wing Portugese EU mandarin must be telling the truth, and siding vigorously with them.)
But most remarkable of all is seeing them prepared to openly quote a Scottish Labour MP describing a majority of the Scottish electorate (because most polls now put the No vote below 50%, and everyone else is either a Yes or at least thinking about it) in such appallingly contemptuous, patronising, condescending terms.
We’re reminded by the comment of Mitt Romney’s disastrous reference to 47% of Americans in the 2012 US presidential election. We hope for the sake of everyone in Scotland that Labour, and their Tory allies, get the same result he did.
They know that in a notoriously dry country like Scotland, a rain metaphor will strike fear into the hearts of all voters.
McArthur’s Park is melting in the dark
All the sweet, green icing flowing down
Someone left the cake out in the rain
I don’t think that I can take it
‘Cause it took so long to bake it
And I’ll never have that recipe again,
Melting or imploding they are disappearing
So fed up with being told we are naughty ungrateful children. How very dare they.
McGlumpher’s Park is melting in the dark…
I don’t think that I can take it, oh no!
I name that song MacArthur Park, and, in this instance, the union is the cake?
Do I get a prize?
Sweep stake as to which Scottish Labour MP it was?
Was it Murphy? Maybe Alexander? Perhaps Curran? What about Hood? Was it Davidson? FFS this is to difficult to even guess. It could be any of them.
Drat – thought I was the first to comment as none showing – Ah well. 🙁
I’m going to hold my breath and stamp my feet until Scotland votes for independence.
Comments that are on a par with Labour MP Jim Hood’s nonsensical statement that if the Scottish people are going to be better off economically and so on, he would still be against breaking away from the Union. Keep it up guys, you’re helping us all the time.
Doug Daniel – man it’s still 7 months away – we’ll all have to come round and take turns at giving you mouth to mouth resuscitation. 🙂
O/T
SG – the UK cabinet jet into Scotland on Scare Force 1. Brilliant!
Now I shall go and stand on the naughtie step.
portuguese
The condecending tone and juvenile references suggest that Johann’s scriptwriter had a hand in it!
3%? I think you are underestimating the average age of your readers.
Proud Cybernat – would that be the Jim Naughtie step? 🙂
That’s an interesting attitude. I’m sure the author thinks it’s an enormously apt metaphor but what he’s managed to write is a blatant insult to anyone in Scotland daring to even contemplate voting yes. Or, indeed, anyone planning to vote no.
I sincerely hope they keep this up; lovebombing is clearly lost on most of them and it does wonders for the Yes vote.
I thought most of the wet was in the south at the moment.
Is it a new scare story or a long term weather forecast?
Vote Yes and the jetstream will move north!
3% looks a gross under-estimate, Rev!
As for the quote, it sounds very Jim Murphy-ish to me.
UKIP will play a part,after EU elections in England
A Top Enlgish cricket player 100 caps–has declared his support today.
Im quite shocked how many mainstream England are UKIP or EWNI after Scotland votes YES
Is this a case of having your cake and weetin’ it?
They need to be told.
We need that spread far and wide.
But what I find most astonishing is that this wasn’t some outburst said in the heat of the moment: the metaphor of Scots as disobedient children continues, extended for several sentences. This is what they really think of us. What does that make Unionists in their eyes – good children who do as they’re told?
…and still they will vote for the. Why – we just do!
Should be them- oops!
Long John Baldry, “Macarther Park”. And at the ripe old age of 22 I’ll wager you wouldn’t have included me in that 3%. 🙂
Straight from the Daily Mail Book of Scottish Jokes:
Trouble, London, United Kingdom, 9 minutes ago
Look if they want to go, then let them – the thing of it is that the EU, the USA, China and even India have told them they won’t be dealing with them without the rest of the UK to back them up. If they wish to be that isolated from the big global economies, who are we to stop them?
Read more:
link to dailymail.co.uk
i dont want to be in NATO the starter of wars and destruction what about the EU no thanks would rather Scots made my laws not some ferengi,oh what other horrible things wont want us to join them,its not a threat we know all about your globalist agenda,we dont want to dance naked in your acid rain.
What is it about Westminster that sucks the brains and compassion out of all who get enthralled to it? Is it that the Crown in Parliament is absolute in its power and so corrupts them absolutely?
I went off Westminster politics in the 1950’s when I overheard my Tory MP describe a peaceful protest meeting in the local cinema as “Peasants”. Now 60 years later we have this unnamed Labour one treating us as children. What happened to the idea that one served ones country for the will of the people?
Westminster isn’t working even for those who serve in it.
This is a Richard Harris reference, isn’t it…? If only there was a Parliamentary Labour Party member called MacArthur, I’d know I’d parked my answer in the right place… 🙂
“I’m going to hold my breath and stamp my feet until Scotland votes for independence.”
Strange, I was thinking Cameron would be using an argument like that last week.
The only cut should be the connection to these impudent, condescending buffoons.
Could someone explain to me why is it when the question of should Cameron debate Salmond comes up the Labour Party politicians/supporters rush to defend Cameron by saying “well Cameron has no vote in Scotland, this is a Scottish matter!”, these same supports seem to ignore that Cameron is ruling us and has no mandate in Scotland!
My horse in the sweepstake is the Chairchoob
@handclapping
‘What is it about Westminster that sucks the brains and compassion out of all who get enthralled to it?’
I’m afraid that as time has passed, Westminster has been able to substantially reduce its sucking capacity, possibly to zero when it comes to certain SLAB mps.
Tell you what, its good the state broadcaster is repeating constantly about the future of the SCOTTISH oil and gas industry as there may be some Scots who have doubted that. And I like Norman Smith’s reference to team Cameron, could be a nice rebranding for the bitters I think.
Is Tom Harris the Scottish Labour MP a Richard by any chance?
@ Look Skye Walker
The Daily Mail really know Scotland – from the link you put above.
“Following reports of senior ministers flying into the RAF base in Aberdeen, the SNP stepped up the attack.
Unless they have moved RAF Lossie from Moray to ABZ overnight I don’t know what base they are talking about.
Production line Labour – Listen you idiots – vote for us’.
Only Labour can save you from transformational improvement of your lot. We will deliver a socialist Britain.
Blair, Brown, Milliband, Lammont all following Thatcherite doctrines – no ?
Who invented Bedroom Tax ? Who supports austerity in practice ?
o/t As she always does Kathleen Jamie finds the right words and puts them in the right order
link to nytimes.com
MCarthy’s Park
Are you now, or have you ever been a member of any non dependency organisations?
The no campaign.
Can we assume since the love-bombing/fear-bombing – good cop/bad cop routine are failing, we are now to be assaulted with tortured metaphors?
Oh dear, unionists are running around like headless bulls in a china shop.
Jonathan is a former ministerial advisor and senior consultant at Europe Economics. An economist with high-level policy and political experience, he remains an associate at Europe Economics, Demos and ESL UK. He also writes for Labour Uncut. Currently he is undertaking a pioneering research project for UK Music on the economic contribution of the music industry to the British economy.
Since becoming a freelance consultant he has completed projects for Action for Children, Centre for London, Demos and UK Music. He’s especially interested in the economics of the creative industries and the economic and political futures of UK cities. Jonathan holds degrees from three leading universities in Economics and Politics, including an M Phil in Political Thought and Intellectual History.
link to jonathantodd.net
However, Mr. Todd doesn’t appear to have the first clue about the substantive realities of the referendum debate. Perhaps his freelance status means he is unable to dedicate sufficient time to research areas that are obviously not his specific area of expertise.
Good of him to share his insight in to SLabour’s paternalistic view of their electorate though, as if we needed confirmation that the Labour party is also imperialists at heart.
Jim McIntosh; I assume the Daily Mail are still living in their preferred era; the 1940’s, when I believe Dyce did indeed have an RAF presence.
Aberdeen and surrounding area are well outside the normal sphere of awareness that the Daily Mail pay attention to. Anything beyond London and the Home Counties barely deserves any attention in their rose tinted perception.
Labour party have sold themselves out.
I’m one of the 3%.
Completely off topic and not in the least bit interesting to anybody but me; Portlethen Parish Kirk (where the real Cabinet held their public meeting) is where my parents were married and where a fair few of my maternal ancestors are buried (except they’re outside in the kirkyard).
Carry on.
I’m not surprised by that Labour comment, its all about self preservation with Labour. its not the Italian job, Labour are trying to pull off, its the Scottish job, tell the Scots anything, as long as we’re okay.
link to youtu.be
Apparently we can go indy in the rain or stay in UK on “arid” terms. Well there’s the rub – wet or dry.
Hoping Cameron and his cronies fuck off soon – I’m heading home in an hour and it looks like they’re still here. Altens is a nightmare to get out of at the best of times, nevermind when there are armed police and outriders flanking ministerial cars…
Ah, Jimmy Webb at his finest (well, maybe not quite).
The thing is if they left the cake out in the rain in the South-east of England, they’d somehow find millions of pounds to build flood defences for it.
Rev : RE Glasgow CND event coming up
Would there be any valuable mileage in reminding Labour voters of the divergence between British Labour policy and that of Labour for Independence. Maybe in some sort of graphic.
Some sort of posting pointing out the bleeding obvious where mainstream Labour in Scotland are enforcing or supporting policies against the grain in Scoltand (Labour /Tory alignment); such as Trident.
Highlihgting the option in following Labour ideals from a true a Scottish context within their own party – via Labour for Independence.
Have encountered some voters unaware of this action group within Labour in Scotland.
Just an idea to get it back into mainframe.
link to id.theguardian.com Another Big fan of WoS on Guardian CiF today. Its fun to speculate who they are as there is several just like this that have suddenly popped up as NO poll drops. They all have detailed local Labour politics spin/knowledge but much of that ranty Labour right to rule Scotland “you’re all stoopid children” tone. One of them sounds a lot like Blair McDougall but cant mind which one right now.
O/T Rev.
Anas Sarwar, bumping his gums,claiming Alex Salmond is a bully full of bluff and bluster, that the SNP will turn it back on the UK debt, and that SNP policies regarding currency are just myths.
link to eveningtimes.co.uk
Also in the Daily (drivel) Record, you have Torcuil Crichton, who makes Michael Crawford, in “Some mothers do have them” look like a Nobel literature winner, spewing his unionist propaganda, by saying Alex Salmond thinks he is Scotland, and, claiming nationalists are full of vitriol.
Story not in online version I’m afraid.
And still no remorse shown for the part they’ve played in the economic and social carnage. Yet we’re the gormless kids. They actively participate in denigrating their own country. They queue up for the gravy train to Westminster and a seat in the Lords and we’re the innocents who need to be shepherded for our own good? Quite a mindset in action there.
Who knew?
For those who were wondering, Dyce was indeed an RAF base during the Second World War. I believe it was used for training rather than combat, but there is a small war cemetery nearby, containing the graves of about a dozen Polish airmen who were killed while serving at Dyce. There are even a few German airmen buried there!
Cameron just interviewed on BBC, all the usual shite, the BBC reporter even plugging Bowie, and managed to get in possible bigger mortgages, and so much more. Obviously Cameron was PROUD of what Bowie said, probably because he asked him too of course.
I cannot wait to get rid of these people AND the BBC.
It does tell me that there is a lot more oil yet, and they are terrified to lose it. They don’t give a fig about us.
They are worried about themselves and their lifestyles.
I was a bit dumbfounded today when I watched the Daily Politics show, Jo Coburn’s guest was hairdresser Nicky Clarke, I was even more flabbergasted when Mr Clarke commented on Scottish independence, especially when he started to mention Braveheart.
Is this the level of debate, that this show has stooped to, when we have celebrity hairdressers adding their tuppence worth to the debate, on Scottish independence.
The Daily Politics show, isn’t yet available on the BBCi player.
Just an observation,did Cameron indulge himself in any offshore safety training before heading to the rig?
As for the rain metaphor,the unionists would do better to worry about the wet stuff lying in the south full of disease and bacteria.
O/T – Apologies.
Robin Hood – took from the rich, gave to the poor.
Jimmy Hood – takes from the poor, gives to the rich.
Is this what it means to be a ‘Proud Scot’?
yea theirs a lot more oil,more than we have pumped out to this date the west coast fields that havent been touched yet.
“If you gateaux go, you’d better go, go now…go now, before you see me cry…” IGMC 🙂
Jim @ 2.30
It’s quite simple – if you are based in London wearing Home Counties goggles then the assumption is that we’re too poor etc etc to have real airports so it must be a military base built for us by Westminster
“Was the first electoral boost not Winnie Ewing winning the Hamilton by-election in 1967?”
Dr Robert McIntyre, won Motherwell for SNP in 1945
@heedtracker says:
Another Big fan of WoS on Guardian CiF today. Its fun to speculate who they are as there is several just like this that have suddenly popped up
It’s great. This is when you know it is working.
Best plan is just to keep posting up the accurate, thoughtful, positive, aspirational stuff on CiF (and a wee bit of winding-up).
Any DON’T KNOWs that come on will be turned-off by the approach the NO-TROLLS take, and are more likely to pay attention to the calm logical positive comments.
I have been slowly recommending “Wings Over Scotland” more and more on CiF and on others (e.g. Telepgraph), and nobody seems to moderate-out the posts, so I am going to do that even more in response to what you have pointed out.
Here we have George Eaton of the Newstatesman, saying that if Scotland, uses the pound without permission known as (sterlingisation) that Scotland would be in a worse shape than euro countries, due to the Bank of England turning its back on Scotland, more unionist scaremongering propaganda.
link to newstatesman.com
Also in the Newstatesman Alex Salmond said, “In the 1980’s while I was compiling the oil and gas index,David Cameron was still fooling around on the fields of Eton.”
link to newstatesman.com
O/T but a wee gem from Stan Dundas commenting on the herald website about DCs play on the oil: Better Together have attempted to trick Scottish voters into believing that, post a yes vote, their biggest asset is a liability.
Brilliant, isn’t it? Read, think about and fully consider the consequences. A nice wee and to the point message for the front line!
O/T Vision Critical poll for the Express. Yes 52%
“O/T Vision Critical poll for the Express. Yes 52%”
Link/source?
Visioncritial
Likely to just be the Scots subsample of a UK wide one they recently did. Ergo, can’t reach much into it.
Here we have the IBT claiming that the majority of the FTSE 100 chiefs don’t want Scottish independence, the IBT claim JP. Morgan and Citi Bank have also voiced concern.
It seems that the southern rich men are worried about their gravy train drying up.
link to ibtimes.co.uk
Alex Salmond sensibly states, that oil and gas would be more stable in an independent Scotland, in truth he couldn’t make a more ham fist of it than Westminster has, who’ve squandered billions.
link to ibtimes.co.uk
Rev, source for Vision Critical poll, Scotsman.
Scotsman story headed. independence Poll: rUK Support Revealed
WP I found the poll here.
link to news.uk.msn.com
Andy B –
No need to worry, the majority of CBI chiefs don’t have a vote!
Cheers Andy,
OH NO!
Talking of rain,would any water reserves supplied to the south count as an export? We have lots.
@msean, they have lots too. For now.
“Doug Daniel – man it’s still 7 months away – we’ll all have to come round and take turns at giving you mouth to mouth resuscitation.”
Count me out, have you seen that stubble,
euch the velcro effect haaarrph 🙁
@ msean
At the moment, so do they…
Well that’s annoying.
“Long John Baldry, “Macarther Park”. And at the ripe old age of 22 I’ll wager you wouldn’t have included me in that 3%. ”
Epic fail dude, not in the 3% LBJ (no LJB not LBJ)
did not sing MacArthur park and neither did weird Al Yankovich but he did sing this
One of my favourite sayings is “Life is not about hiding from the storm, it’s about learning to dance in the rain” SO LET’S DO IT : ) Let’s dance in the rain!
“Are you now, or have you ever been a member of any non dependency organisations?”
Your honour this is hectoring, I’m claiming the 5th
“Let’s dance in the rain!”
Dae ye ken how cauld it is ootside and ma lumbago’s fair playin up,
but a brocht ma all in one bathing suit so lets go,
ps anyone else think Ponsonby’s got the bit between his teeth after Osbourne dissing him?
It occurs to me that if anyone should be frightened of the rain it is the Scottish Labour Party representatives in our Parliament.
They look like a bunch of badly made papier mache puppets.
If we get a cold snap, that’ll be the icing on the cake.
Been thinking about this weird metaphor some more:
‘They need to be told. It’s like a child saying they want to play in the rain. They can do if they want but they need to know that they’ll get wet.’”
“No one denies that children can’t [sic] have fun in the rain. Getting wet, however, is unavoidable. And Osborne and Barroso have made clear just how wet an independent Scotland would get.
Here’s what blows my mind about it: why else would children go outside to play in the rain if not specifically to get wet? It’s fun playing in the rain! Water & wetness offers an altered state, and it’s enjoyable. And that’s the thing about rain: rain is, by definition, wet. So if a child wants to go out and play in the rain, it wants to get wet.
Look at this adorable wee thing:
link to youtube.com
Then just think of all the positive things regarding rain:
link to tvtropes.org
Really, this is an incredibly apt metaphor for the Unionists. The “grown-ups” of Labour cannot fathom why the Scottish people would want to go “play in the rain” (become independent) complaining that they would “get wet” (it would be hard-going because you’re independent) – they don’t realise that this is the ENTIRE APPEAL AND POINT of playing in the rain (independence) in the first place! I guess what’s happening now is the Scottish government is negotiating for an umbrella to go with their Mackintosh & wellies.
I could also bring in the burning house metaphor: “I know the house is on fire and your room’s about to explode, and the foundations are cracking, and I think the car’s gone into a sinkhole, but I don’t like the look of those clouds!”
Raindrops keep fallin’ on my head
And just like the guy whose feet are too big for his bed
Nothin’ seems to fit
Those raindrops are fallin’ on my head, they keep fallin’
So I just did me some talkin’ to the sun
And I said I didn’t like the way he got things done
Sleepin’ on the job
Those raindrops are fallin’ on my head, they keep fallin’
But there’s one thing I know
The blues they send to meet me won’t defeat me
It won’t be long till happiness steps up to greet me
Raindrops keep fallin’ on my head
But that doesn’t mean my eyes will soon be turnin’ red
Cryin’s not for me
‘Cause I’m never gonna stop the rain by complainin’
Because I’m free
Nothin’s worryin’ me
[trumpet]
It won’t be long till happiness steps up to greet me
Raindrops keep fallin’ on my head
But that doesn’t mean my eyes will soon be turnin’ red
Cryin’s not for me
‘Cause I’m never gonna stop the rain by complainin’
Because I’m free
Nothin’s worryin’ me
Thumbs up for Taranaich, our weather correspondent. 😉
Any truth in the rumour that the Weather Girls will be releasing an updated version of their big hit song, “It’s raining men (and cabinet ministers)” ?!