Wings Over Scotland

Another excellent cartoon.

Kind of sums up the heartless window-dressing of a government run by England’s Prime Minister, Boris ‘the butcher’ De pfeffle Johnson.

On every level Johnson and his cabal of sociopathic tory misfits have feiled. Even if you look at this from a hard-nosed economic point of view, their current strategy makes no sense. They have ended lockdown too soon and failed to start contact tracing in any meaningful way. The infection will spike even higher next time, in a few weeks, with further economic damage. Such folly, such utter, utter folly.

They see countries like Germany starting to run properly again, and want to do the same. The difference is, however, Germany is run by a competent leader, who enacted ALL the right strategies early, thereby reducing deaths and spread.

So now, as Scotland is still shackled to a wholly dysfunctional England, we too are getting dragged into the mire, with these pieces of heartless Tory murderous filth.

If ever Scotland needed independence, away from these Tory clowns, it is now. Kindly get on with it, Nicola.

Just brilliant Chris, all my thoughts on this captured in one cartoon. You are really very good at this, perhaps you should take this up as a profession? hehehe

Oh Chris, what an excellent cartoon. How very, very sad that it has come to this.

No one can trust a word the tories tell us, and many people have died, it makes you weep.

The sooner independence comes the better.

Succinct and totally accurate. How very very sad.

Chris , you have deal talent.

Muscleguy you do know that it is the heath care owners who have the duty to ensure their staff are protected and updated clear guidance was issued by Scots Gov in mid March including how to get PPE equipment.
Despite Tory claims deaths in care homes which are rigoursly inspected in Scotland were much less than in England.

Also great letter in Herald by Ken Liddell debunking Unionist politically motivated claims of an cover up over first Coronavirus case at Nike conference

Rambling Pennington again on BBC Scotland now on about R numbers doesn’t repeat his rubbish about R number in care homes being 10.

Also Joanna Blythman in Herald making good point regarding supermarkets selling cheap Irish beef rather than good Scots beef when they are getting huge rates freeze from Scottish government

O/t I see a 3rd round of Brexit talks by video conference had ended on Friday with no progress (a hard Brexit more and more on the cards). Why wasn’t all this put on the back burner till after the covid 19 crisis is over. They are quick enough to tell Scotland to shut up that now is not the time for politics, while they use subterfuge to push their fascist agenda through. Wake up Scotland ffs and get shot of these lying cheating Westminster barstewards.

Wonderful cartoon – but have we learned nothing – if a tories lips are moving they are lying. What I fail to understand is why indy polls don’t show 80% for indy.

Pete is correct and the Scottish Government should have ignored the Tory howling and closed the Border. That would at least have stopped the wealthy care home profiteers importing infected personnel from Kent to Skye. Skye had been totally virus free!

Mike d says:
16 May, 2020 at 9:21 am
O/t I see a 3rd round of Brexit talks by video conference had ended on Friday with no progress (a hard Brexit more and more on the cards). Why wasn’t all this put on the back burner till after the covid 19 crisis is over. They are quick enough to tell Scotland to shut up that now is not the time for politics, while they use subterfuge to push their fascist agenda through. Wake up Scotland ffs and get shot of these lying cheating Westminster barstewards….

This. Exactly this… except don’t just blame Westminster.

If Scotland’s Government had any balls whatsoever, it would right now, be launching deafening salvo after deafening salvo of catch-all ultimatums that the Nation of Scotland has a Sovereign Constitutional backstop, and that if Brexit is steamrollered through without Scotland’s consent, consent IT DOES NOT HAVE, then Scotland will deem such unilateral action to constitute the formal end on the UK Union.

One letter would do it. A single fkg letter! Jesus H, I could break in to Bute House in the middle of the night and type the fkg thing myself… because you can bet Sturgeon’s SNP won’t do it!

The chances of the gutless, shapeless SNP doing anything like that are laughable…. with the possible exception of Joanna Cherry. But even Joanna Cherry’s window of opportunity is closing fast.

Europe, and Brexit, is Scotland’s open goal, our golden ticket to Independence, but it’s five to midnight and the SNP are minutes away from blowing it. If we don’t act now, and somehow kick the useless f*!#ers of SNP into doing “something”, then as far as I’m concerned the SNP can burn in Hell for all time, like the other Parcel of Rogues who sold out Scotland in 1707.

Let’s not talk about that however. Let’s instead vex ourselves about the sad and tawdry world of Declan Whateverthefuckhisnameis.

……and then there is the Truth and Facts.

The Flu versus COVID debate is irrelevant. All that matters is the CONSEQUENCES.

Here is an uncomfortable truth;

3 months in 2015 – 44,000 excess deaths due to Flu

3 months in 2020 – 34,000 excess deaths due to COVID

Focus on Consequences – not pseudo science from politicians and bullshit baffling brains from the hysterical MSM.

The Newsnight programme became a stomping ground for unionists to rail over Scotland diverging with England on the lockdown, instead of focusing on what really mattered.

Looks like we the colonials,have pissed off our overlords by taking a different stance on the lockdown.

link to thenational.scot

Meanwhile the (WHO) World Health Organisation, has praised Scotland’s position on remaining in lockdown. (WHO) Special envoy Dr David Nabarro, said he was impressed by Scotland approach to staying in lockdown to save lives, Nabarro added that some countries are torn between restarting their economies and saving lives.

republicofscotland 10:16

WHO – yeah, we should listen to those guys shouldn’t we……the pandemic that never was.

Nasty virus? yes, killing people? without a doubt, is this sad? of course it is.

Is it any worse than flu though…..not on current data. And certainly not worth selling out our democracy to the far left or the far right (quite frankly on L versus R – take your pick)

…… and who is to say the recipient is in England, N. ireland, Wales or Scotland. Like so many Pete makes his mind up before seeing the evidence. Good cartoon again Chris.

Chris Cairns @ 10:10

Prepared to be corrected here, but I am pretty sure the ‘clapping pish’ was MSM driven – and they don’t take their orders from Holyrood.

Ahundrethidiot.

Any action that could save lives should be welcome, as for Covid-19 it appears to be more contagious than the flu, and to be frank from what I’ve read we really don’t know enough about the virus yet, so yes I think the (WHO) praising those that stay in lockdown should not be frowned upon. This virus isn’t finished with us yet.

Hi Chris, hope you are bearing up.

Thanks again for your bullseye cartoons! Trust you’re surviving and not miserable like me swinging from extremes, hope and despair. Penned a long-form essay this week. Tried hard to lift spirits. Not sure if I succeeded.

You essential weekend reading:

‘The Rise of the SNP’: link to wp.me

Breeks 10.04am. Am in complete agreement.

Tragically, I have always believed Osmium was the densest material found by science.

Then along came Pete and Hundredtheidiot !!!. Oh well.

The coronavirus pandemic has gone full circle as the Chinese city of Wuhan,

ground zero of the viral conflagration that ravaged the global community,

has high geared massive testing after a new cluster of infections were reported there since it was released from lockdown on April 8.

@Ahundredtheidiot,

Yes, I thought you might!!!

Sobering cartoon….. very true.

It has not gone as well as it might have in spite of all the good intentions.

A heavy burden on the NHS staff and carers from the beginning, the end still not in sight either. 🙁

PS:
Streaming link for those inclined.
Only fitba for the moment other sports soon will follow in the days to come!

German League choose your match KO soon. (1hr time difference)
link to hesgoal.com

@ Pete

Your times have gone, Pete – take a look around yourself. Don’t expect your MSM to point this out to you but when a government is openly defied in its prescription by the governed: the game is over. It’s all down-hill for you and your ideological brethren, from here-on-in, Pete.Which is no more than you’ve deserved for a very, long time.

Back in 68/69 we had a flu pandemic which killed 80000 in the UK(equivalent to 100000 today)
We did not put millions out of work and have people lining up outside supermarkets like zombies in some 1984 scenario with Big Mother Sturgeon watching over us.
I have many issues with Johnston but, at least he’s trying to get us back on track albeit with so many against him.

Grouse Beater

That’s a superb read, thanks. I can see the value of maintaining the SNP in government, despite the problems at the top. In fact, now, armed with a little history, cleaning out the rot becomes more urgent than ever before the whole enterprise collapses.

If only the list party naysayers could be so eloquent we might actually have a common basis on which to take action.

@ Pete.

‘at least he’s trying to get us back on track’

Absolutely spot on there Pete.
London Funeral Directors have been told to prepare for a new wave in the autumn and the 30,000 temporary mortuary spaces have been increased too 100,000.

It’s just I don’t think his back on track is the same as yours.

For capitalism to succeed it is necessary to sacrifice human life.

I don’t suppose its worth posting this, but just for Pete.

link to facebook.com

Whit! Nae green care badges? FFS!

Nice one, Chris.

Meg Meriless

I would agree with you if the results/data from Sweden were not so contradictory. So, I am sorry Meg, that argument is not supported (yet – possibly ever).

What is more worrying though is this – if someone disagrees with lockdown and has the temerity to say so (that’s enough btw) it ‘triggers’ a certain type of person to rant and rave without making any counter argument whatsoever.

Classic cognitive dissonance in my view, not unlike those bat shit crazy unionist we like to take the piss out of.

Lockdown terrorists everywhere I look – even on Wings – God help us all.

Meg at 12:31

and what is Swedens deaths per million compared to the UK?

Curiously the “R number” is lower in london than much less densely populated areas of England.

link to theguardian.com

I don’t think it is because the lockdown is much stricter in london, just look at those pictures with people stuffed into public transport. Could be that so many people have already had it that there is now a herd immunity there, that means that the virus is much less deadly than the panic mongers in the goverment and media have said.

I think the Tories with possibly the assistance of many of the MSM in Scotland are trying to turn the agenda into the corona virus in the UK was the fault of the SNP. Yes, they are that desperate.

The real position is the deaths per million in Scotland being higher than it should be because of being chained to Westminster and requiring their approval to take the initial action.

Of course on here you will have the ‘this is no different to a flu’ brigade, ‘it’s not the wealthy care come owners that are responsible for the abysmal performance of care home’.

We will see soon if removing the lockdown with so many still infected was a wise move, although as many areas of England have decided to ignore Billy Bunter’s recommendations it may only be in some areas.

jfngw says: 16 May, 2020 at 12:59 pm

I think the Tories with possibly the assistance of many of the MSM in Scotland are trying to turn the agenda into the corona virus in the UK was the fault of the SNP. Yes, they are that desperate.

With the VE Day celeberations south of the border defying lockdown as well as the shifting of responsibility of stopping the virus from government to individual via their ‘stay alert’ nonsense, there could well be a spike in affected cases down in England. If so, then it will be stupid for them to try what you say.

“Going back on tangent, we need to stop getting bogged down on whether the lockdown needs to be lifted or not but talk about after the lock down gets lifted and how we can get the economy going, minimise deaths and ensure vulnerable groups plus people who support them aren’t relegated to second class citizens.”

PacMan.

Yes I agree I’m pretty sure Sturgeon will be setting out options now on how to proceed after the lockdown. It will of course be gradual, and probably based on scientific evidence.

I really can’t for the life of understand what this herd immunity bollocks is all about when we’re talking about humans here. it really is fallacious nonsense .We’re not ‘herds’ we’re humans. Herds are for animals like,cattle,sheep,goats and the like.

Unless you of course mean the hordes from The Walking Dead TV program is already in our midst- it is,it’s the Tory government.

I am very sure that nicola sturgeons policy on lifting the lockdown will be glacially slow, but it won’t be based on any scientific evidence, neither the UK gov or the Scot govs approaach has been based on scientific evidence. The UK government was bounced into this disastrous and unscientific lockdown policy after a media frenzy and public backlash over the herd immunity policy that both the scottish gov and UK gov previously supported.

The peak was on april the 8th, house arrest was imposed on the 23rd of march. That peak was far to early for it to have been caused by the lockdown. Sweden has also performed better than Scotland without a lockdown. Japan also has only introduced very mild measures, has low levels of testing and a elderly population, but has perfomed far far better than the UK without a lockdown.

@ ahundrethidiot.

It doesn’t matter whether you believe the pandemic is fake or real, whether waves exist or not, or an international conspiracy(there is some pretty compelling narratives out there) or just governments trying to exert more control over people. The UK gov have advised London Funeral Directors to prepare for a second wave in the autumn and increased the temporary mortuary facility from 30,000 to 100,000. That’s pretty specific, so what do they know that they aren’t sharing with us.

@Ahindredtheidiot,

I was going to reply to you, but have decided that it would be easier to teach my Yorkshire Terrier to recite Tennysons ” The Lady Of Shalott” verbatim.

Now we have corresponded, can I shorten your moniker to “Idiot”?

Coming late to the thread but excellent article from Kevin McKenna today in the Herald. Apos if already posted. It’s about the cpture of the SNP by Wokus Dei.

link to archive.fo

Interesting interview with an Epidemiologist, mtalks about the UK govs response in teh latter.

link to spiked-online.com

Quote that caught my attention was on the second peak “This is an invention to justify a policy that politicians are afraid of reversing.”

“Capella says:
16 May, 2020 at 1:52 pm
Coming late to the thread but excellent article from Kevin McKenna today in the Herald. Apos if already posted. It’s about the cpture of the SNP by Wokus Dei.”

Thank you for the link Capella, nice new gravatar very fitting, anyway McKenna is correct I think, what’s your opinion on Sturgeon being involved in this as well, as surely the orders comes from the top down.

I don’t think we’re ever going to agree on the best way out of this (I’ve made my views very clear) but I think the clincher for me is seeing just how easily the population is cowed into submission by overbearing state decree.
It is just so demeaning to see folks queuing outside shops, deserted town and city centres, the wearing of all sorts of face gear (probably useless), the fear of greeting friends and relatives and the suppression of all normal human activity.
The only sensible thing I have seen recently was Luke Johnson on QT who put the case for NOT allowing this virus to destroy the economy and therefore the livelihoods of millions, especially the young.
I thought the Scots were made of sterner stuff but it seems we’re more faintheart than braveheart.

Republicofscotland @1.15

“… I’m pretty sure Sturgeon will be setting out options now on how to proceed after the lockdown. It will of course be gradual…”

One would certainly hope so, especially in the light of the hash her English counterpart made of it.

Then again I had also hoped that options re our impending move towards Independence had been set out – On the result of the Brexit vote being announced, and at all or even any of the various checkpoints between then and now.

ahundredthidiot says:
16 May, 2020 at 1:28 pm
robbo @ 1:24

…..and there it is……..would you Adam and Eve it!

Naw ya fukwit it comes from science, something i rely on scientists to determine,no myself and certainly no you..

The concept of herd immunity in corona virus is crap.We know not enough about this disease as yet and don’t have a scooby doo of how many people it would need to infect to get that dubious concept. Also they don’t as yet know if it even gives immunity and for how long it would last if at all. So without a vaccine or some sort of lock-down control you’re prepared,just like BJ and DT just to let it run riot for the sake of a little longer and potentially kill millions of people!
FUCKING ARSE.

For your information it’s already killed the min estimates of people that die normally from flu which is between 290,000- 650,000 every year worldwide. Even though we have vaccines to mitigate some of the influenza’s that crop up each year. You do realise flu mutates every year that’s why vulnerable people get a flu jab every year- it’s a different strain, normally the most deadly variant strain that’s knocking about- ASK A FUCKING DOCTOR WILL YOU!

I’ve never in my lifetime seen flu overwhelming NH Services across the world-ever , unless you talk the Spanish flu(that came from AMERICA) don’t tell the Donald, he’ll flip!

Anyone can find that data online by typing a few words into google without going to some crackpots conspiracy website and listening to dribble.

“Idon’t think we’re ever going to agree on the best way out of this (I’ve made my views very clear) but I think the clincher for me is seeing just how easily the population is cowed into submission by overbearing state decree.
It is just so demeaning to see folks queuing outside shops, deserted town and city centres, the wearing of all sorts of face gear (probably useless), the fear of greeting friends and relatives and the suppression of all normal human activity.
The only sensible thing I have seen recently was Luke Johnson on QT who put the case for NOT allowing this virus to destroy the economy and therefore the livelihoods of millions, especially the young.
I thought the Scots were made of sterner stuff but it seems we’re more faintheart than braveheart.”

Pete.

It appears to me that numpties like you require a rude awakening to jolt you back into the real world. A visit to a Covid-19 ward, the suffering the tears, the relentless noises from multiple ventilators pumping away, whilst NHS staff try their best to keep folk alive, might just dawn on you that people are dying whilst you whinge on about folk queuing outside shops and quiet high streets.

Love your cartoons Chris.

I’ve given up watching the briefings, as I want to keep my social distancing from unprecedented bull we receive on a daily basis.

Im finding it very interesting the amount of insults being thrown by people still hooked on the official narrative – despite sincere and professional arguments against it.

Are we looking at a lack of mental agility? Or are we looking at people who can’t handle the idea that authorities and media are capable of mass lies?

I’ll put it down to psychology. Coz im feeling charitable.

This is worth a read I think

link to solidarity.scot

Nurse Nicola ‘Ratchet’ Sturgeon and her cronies really ought to get their heads out of their collective fundament and read this.
link to spiked-online.com
How many time do these people need telling….ya may have got it totally wrong guys, that and probably other stuff too.

@Capella,

noticed your new gravatar has replaced your old one in (i think) all past posts,your ballerina has been written out of history,

read the McKenna piece,always find his writing `style` hard going,

can`t really disagree with much (although don`t agree with everything),

though it being in the Herald, the home of British Nationalist Apologist Tom Gordon, you get the feeling it`s only there because it criticises Nicola and the SNP,

don`t mind healthy criticism from our side but the British Nationalists can get tae f@ck.

(not sayin McKenna is BN but he works for a BN outfit)

BBC figures today with The SUN filling in the blanks.

Scotland……today….41…….Total…..2094…BBC
Wales………today….18…….Total…..1191…BBC
N. Ireland….today….04…….Total……473…BBC
England…….today…181…….Total..no data…BBC
====================================================
UK…………today…468…….Total….*34466..*SUN

Pete says: 16 May, 2020 at 2:10 pm

I don’t think we’re ever going to agree on the best way out of this (I’ve made my views very clear) but I think the clincher for me is seeing just how easily the population is cowed into submission by overbearing state decree.
It is just so demeaning to see folks queuing outside shops, deserted town and city centres, the wearing of all sorts of face gear (probably useless), the fear of greeting friends and relatives and the suppression of all normal human activity.
The only sensible thing I have seen recently was Luke Johnson on QT who put the case for NOT allowing this virus to destroy the economy and therefore the livelihoods of millions, especially the young.
I thought the Scots were made of sterner stuff but it seems we’re more faintheart than braveheart.

We here this and that government, including our own, talking about acting on scientific advice. That gives it an air of authority but it isn’t. There is so much conflicting information coming out of the scientific community and no consensus. Therefore this scientific advice is really scientific opinion.

Of course that is an opinion of mine and others will disagree with me. I don’t have enough information to form a definite conclusion. The same applies to those who disagree with this opinion.

Regardless of what we think, people are dying and the economy is at risk of crashing. Therefore it makes sense with such a new strain of virus that we now very little about to err on the side of caution and follow the current lock-down strategy to ensure that as many lives are saved and the long term health of the economy is not put at risk as well as procedures can be put in place to stop future outbreaks.

That isn’t being ‘cowed into submission by overbearing states’ or not being made of sterner stuff. That is using your critical facilities to form an opinion in order to do the best for yourself and the community you live in.

While there is a medical case for a lock-down, there is also a psychological requirement as well because of selfish idiots like you who don’t care for themselves or their fellow citizens. It is the likes of you who can’t follow common sense and needs to compulsed to do so. It is due to the likes of you that the lock down is needed in the first place.

I don’t like queuing outside shops and the other things that you mentioned but it is something that we need to get to in order to deal with this health crisis. I’m sorry if that isn’t good enough for you and what I say makes me sounds like a ‘sheeple’ in your eyes.

While there are quite a bit I don’t agree with that the Scottish government has done in this health crisis and they have certainly made a lot of mistakes. However, they are handling it a lot better than what is being done in England. I feel confident that we will emerge in a better position both economically and health-wise than England will be. I’m sorry that you don’t like that.

@Andy Ellis –

Hear hear.

And we shouldn’t forget – Nicola Sturgeon still hasn’t – so far as I’m aware – made any comment on Alex Salmond’s acquittal. Hard to think of any more significant silence.

@Ottomanboi

Read until I reach the following

There is no indication that hospitals could ever have become overloaded, irrespective of what we did.

I just need to type Italian hospitals overwhelmed and find that there has been health services overloaded.

Of course we could all be wrong, but if we are not, are the naysayers willing, if we end lockdown, to take responsibility or will they be screaming ‘why wasn’t something done’, the hindsight experts.

For those who continue to cherry-pick science in order to make a case, that’s just not compatible with a liberal interpretation of the rule-of-law. Policy is not based entirely on science, which is a product of culture, it is shaped through wider ethical and legal concerns. Although these are also a product of culture, their aim is to ensure impartiality and equality in law.

Just because one opinion suggest something that appears valid, that doesn’t mean that opinion is valid.

COVID-19 and the Turn to Magical Thinking
link to sapiens.org

@ republicofscotland – re Galileo – it is us who are like Galileo.
I hope our legacy can be returning sense and order to the legal system. We mustn’t tolerate the persecution of journalists for telling the truth.

That last sentence got a bit mangled. Put simply, some knowledge is valid and some ‘knowledge’ less so.

Estimates of the impact of COVID-19 on global poverty
link to wider.unu.edu

@Republicofscotland

You said:

‘Pete.

It appears to me that numpties like you require a rude awakening to jolt you back into the real world. A visit to a Covid-19 ward, the suffering the tears, the relentless noises from multiple ventilators pumping away, whilst NHS staff try their best to keep folk alive, might just dawn on you that people are dying whilst you whinge on about folk queuing outside shops and quiet high streets.’

Have you ever been to a Covid-19 ward?

@Andy Ellis

I think Nicola Sturgeon would be able to answer these questions without actually saying anything. She is, no matter what you think of her personally, a superb politician and could talk for minutes and you would be no wiser of her personal view.

For example, she would be guided by the rule of law but would not undermine women taking action to defend themselves. The GRA is under review and wide consultation and she will be guided by the outcome of this, her own opinions are of no consequence, she will proceed under guidance of these recommendations.

“Chained to a madman and suffering excess deaths”

From stewartb (who’s contributions of late over on TuSC have been on point).

“‘excess deaths’ are likely to be the most reliable single indicator of the overall public health impact of this pandemic.”

link to talkingupscotlandtwo.com

@ jfngw 4.11pm

I used to hold her in high regard: now…..not so much. She may be a capable administrator and be pretty slick in front of camera, but I’ve come to think that much of her popularity and polish rests not so much on her (undoubted) talents but on the fact she has such execrable opposition.

Similarly, she’s never to my knowledge faced the kind of forensic interview on these topics that would have required her to justify her stance and that of the flat earther trans extremists she appears happy to shield. Doubtless she could try the obfuscation techniques common to all politicians, but she needs to be confronted by someone who isn’t afraid to ask her to respond in a straightforward way to specific scenarios.

Of course, I won’t exactly be holding my breath……but I’d love Mandy Rhodes to really put Sturgeon to the question on these issues and the rank misogyny which now appears to run rampant in her party.

Latest count of confirmed #COVID19 cases worldwide at 1500 GMT, May 16
World: 4,574,902
U.S.: 1,445,867
Russia: 272,043
Britain: 241,454
Spain: 230,698
Italy: 223,885
Brazil: 220,291
France: 179,630
Germany: 175,715
Turkey: 146,457
Iran: 118,392
India: 86,595
Peru: 84,495

I agree absolutely @ Capella 3.05pm. And yes to others NS is involved, up to her neck. What a fkn joke- feels over fact.

The exodus to link to gab.com is underway.

Doesn’t mean we have to abandon Twitter but if we have this platform to fall back on we can kick up fuck about what’s happened to Rev, Craig Murray, Graham Linehan etc, and when they start banning us individually (as they’re bound to) we can regroup over there.

Half a dozen of us onboard so far.

Please join (it’s free and very easy, takes two minutes max), share, and let’s make a noise about this – Twitter is not going to get away with interfering in our lives and endangering the well-being and careers of the people who represent us in this time of change.

So help send out a loud and clear message to – our politics is our business, not yours, so GTF Twitter!

😉

I would just like to add to Ians post:

Like it or not, you are rebels. You must learn to adapt to using the infrastructure that best works for you. You cannot afford to allow a global corporation to dictate what you can and cannot say.

This means putting in a little extra effort.

If people simply create a mirror account of their own twitter it means you have protected your group comms. It also pokes the censors and totalitarians in the eye.

Some will be so mad they might wet their pretty frilly panties.

Oh yes – for the people that hate me: don’t worry. I wont be bothering anyone there. I will be putting up covid-19(84) articles and stats from time to time for as long as its relevant and that’s all.

@Republicofscotland

Someone I know in London told me that Covid-19 is being recorded on death certificates even when they didn’t die of it.

Im not as theatrical as you however. Otherwise id have had George Clooney in a doctors coat, a bomb scare and Bruce Willis crashing through a window also.

“I think It would be much harder for the state to trash a Scottish general election. So would it not be safer to ask Scotland the question in an election manifesto?”

CameronB Brodie.

What makes you think that? If Westminster can influence elections in Kenya what’s to stop them doing it in Scotland? Of course we’re not just talking about any old Scottish election, we’d be talking about one that could lead to independence.

Westminster cannot afford to let Scotland go, and take along with it, a third of the land mass,all its assets, its North Atlantic strategic position, whilst kicking out its nukes and nuclear subs,along with a whole host of benefits that Scotland provides to this unfit for purpose union.

Westminster will fight dirty to keep Scotland that’s what they’ve been doing for the last 313 years.

I should add its the Scottish/unionist gatekeepers that we need to worry about the most, our very own Fifth Column.

Rather than rejecting the evidence of risk and encouraging resistance to lock-down, those who support English Torydum should perhaps reflect on the ‘contribution’ a decade of austerity and service fragmentation has made to Brexitanian resilience, and also perhaps on their broken moral compass. Human rights come as a package, so you can’t pick and choose which ones to respect.

Is Scotland really going to allow English Torydun define our human rights, when there is a perfectly valid framework of international law that would support Scotland’s cultural development? It is only nationalist tradition that separates Scots from accessing their human rights. Brexitanian ‘human right’ lack coherence and compatibility with international law. That means they also lack coherence with global health law.

Poor Neighbourhoods in Wales and England Have Double the COVID-19 Death Rate as Wealthy Areas

“This is a moment to re-evaluate failing health, housing, and social support systems.”
link to globalcitizen.org

“Someone I know in London told me that Covid-19 is being recorded on death certificates even when they didn’t die of it.”

That may well be Joe, but how does that relate to folk actually dying from it in Covid-19 wards, does that somehow negate that in your world.

I should also add that there are some many other symptoms for the virus other than a persistent cough, a temperature, and telling fatigued, I could say people have died from it but because the symptoms are similar to those declared, that they’ve wrongly been recorded as dying from something else.

bipod says:
16 May, 2020 at 2:01 pm
Interesting interview with an Epidemiologist, mtalks about the UK govs response in teh latter.

His Alma Mater, Rockefeller University, has disowned him.

Relying solely on herd immunity through widespread exposure to combat COVID-19 would overwhelm hospitals and put the elderly and people with preexisting conditions at risk.

Bipod and people like him may well think piles of (elderly, useless) dead bodies in the streets – or on the lawns of care homes – is a small price to pay to save the economy, but any politician, even Trump, is smart enough to see that the news footage would destroy any government on whose watch it happened.

The pandemic has brought a lot of loonies out of the woodwork.

@ Ian Brotherhood @ Andy Ellis – well I’ve signed up to Gab. Now what? I followed you Ian (can’t remember your username Andy) but my timeline is full of people I don’t follow. Will have to find out how to use it. More faffing about online!

Somebody already had my username. I would send a cease and desist order if I knew who it is. But my display name is still Capella.

CBB

If the SNP do not tick the Independence NOW box on their election manifesto – I will be struggling to think of a valid reason for voting for their candidate in the FPTP ballot never mind the party for the list.

Having known the incumbent for more than twenty years and being reasonably certain that he has not morphed into a closet Unionist, might not be enough to tip the balance in his favour.

link to youtube.com

Because I know I will be walking up to the polling station, with the chorus of this song ringing in my ears.

name that tune:

@Capella 6.24pm

Found you! Sent you a message. Pretty same look and feel to twatter really. Haven’t fully investigated it all myself yet. There appears to be a chat functions, and if you sign up (and pay!) as a Pro member you can create and be admin for a Group – that could be a useful function for Wings exiles to keep the alt-right crazies and other sundry libertarians on the platform in general at bay?

I also downloaded the Tootle app for my iPhone. There are apps for Android too.

“The online warriors spouting such theories (in equal numbers) rarely have any background in healthcare, but they nevertheless seem equally confident in their claims that doctors are being financially incentivised to ramp up or play down the true figures on Covid-19 deaths, or are somehow pressurised by the authorities to breach their own professional codes.”

Joe.

You may have a point with regards to your first paragraph, however referring to your above comment, no matter claims or counter claims on what doctors and authorities put on death certificates, people are still dying from Covid-19 in hospitals all around the world, and in the UK, or do you dispute that as well?

Is there a point to your nibbling around the edges of the virus, or are you deliberately just trying to play its severity down at this late stage just as Pete has.

Scots renewables @6.10pm, my apologies, I though Joe was replying to me. My comment @6.40pm was aimed at Joe, and not your good self.

… this article by Robin McAlpine may have been mentioned here before but, in case not, here’s a link. Essential reading, whether or not you agree with it:

link to sourcenews.scot

“CameronB Brodie says:
16 May, 2020 at 5:56 pm
Republicofscotland
I wasn’t suggesting their wouldn’t be state interference, I just think the process of a GE would be less vulnerable to media bias, ”

CameroB Brodie.

The media is never neutral, and experience has shown us that it’s hostile to Scottish independence. A good example of it in action recently in a GE was its relentless persecution of Jeremy Corbyn, pushing everything from anti-Semitism to Corbyn sharing a podium with a terrorist, to standing next to a mural which was allegedly quoted as some sort of anti-Semitic drawing, or Corbyn putting a wreath down at a funeral of another terrorist, we know how that GE turned out.

You can be certain that the British government, of which Johnson has already broken and bent most of the political etiquette to get what he and Cummings want, will do the same if not more to prevent Scotland from leaving this unholy union, they can’t afford not to.

As Kevin McKenna put it in the National newspaper, Scotland and it’s government, with regards to independence play fair with Westminster and follow the rules McKenna quite rightly points out that we need a nasty b#stard in charge who’s prepared to play dirty to obtain Scottish independence. Alas Sturgeon doesn’t have it in her to be that person, mind you she had no qualms in seeing Salmond sent down for years, so you never know.

Note how ‘advertising’, that noxious tv stuff, has swung behind the current ‘régime’; isolation, lockdown, quarantine, etc.
Divide, and so easily influence the masses.
Naaassty!

Joe, Ottomaboi, bipod –

FWIW I support your efforts and I’m sure many others do too but are simply afraid to state so openly.

There’s a lot of fear and confusion around.

🙁

For Joe

bipod….don’t be stupid , the economy won’t be destroyed ,the economy is still there , production of much is continuing as normal that’s why you see your supermarket shelves full and replenished each day and amazon etc doing a roaring trade.
Parts of the economy that have been put on hold are non essential parts that we will resume once it’s all over.

Where do you think the money comes from to pay people’s pensions benefits furlough etc it’s simply an accountancy record in the governments records they don’t have a huge stash of cash sitting in the basement of the Bank of England waiting for an emergency.

The emergency is to stop people dying from covid19 every day , allowing people be they young or old to go about their day as usual will allow those less scrupulous people who don’t believe covid19 exists or who think it’s harmless , to infect real people who don’t have the strength to survive it and who will die from the infection.