The skewer
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May 22, 2021 by
Chris Cairns
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A tall tale
Wee Books
Video
Probably a robbery
Transphobia
Don’t forget that boomerangs, didgeridoos and
hats with corks dangling from the rim should all
arrive in the U.K. tariff free after a 12,000 journey!
We have our own Barrier of Grief where the Moral is dying.
I bought a Brexit Calculator- It just doesn’t add up
but it takes away and divided like nothing else.
G’Day Chris!
Great British red, white and blue railway sleepers. Lovely. Pity about all the sleepers and sleepwalkers within NewSNP.
link to archive.is
Don’t say you weren’t told.
It’s not the chlorine in your chicken that’s the problem, it’s the poor animal husbandry which breeds the stuff the chlorine is meant to kill so your food is “safe” to eat that’s the problem.
Remember when the UK ceased to regard animals as sentient beings?
If only there was some way Scotland could stop this madness, maintain compliance with European standards, (which aren’t perfect but better than this), and reward Scottish farmers for doing the right and decent thing by their livestock these past few decades.
Seems we’re all going to be eating shite now, all because Queen Sturgeon doesn’t want a supermajority leading to Scottish Independence. Vote SNP1 & 2 for bigger manboobs, smaller sperm count, and untold misery and suffering for countless numbers of sentient animals.
Fuck you Sturgeon.
I’m sure RIP Britain, the idea is to destroy Scotland economy before we become Independent. We now have another Cabinet Secretary for the Constitution things are just moving along as they did in 2016.
Fantastic as always Chris,
Chin up chaps it’s all very British.Will the supermarket products be plastered with Australian and New Zealand flags now?Anything but a Saltire eh Blackford you utter buffoon.
Arriving soon at a butcher’s counter in the Jute City… Crocodile Dundee
Haha!
The U.K. is negotiating a trade deal with the good folk of Australia … and all the bitter and twisted folk on here can do is find grievance. Which came as a complete surprise … to no one.
Keep going. These tactics have worked brilliantly for you.?
And of course, if the ‘meat’ is then re-packaged in these Great British isles it is classed as Great British ‘meat’.
Perfidious Albion lives.
LOL! Thanks, Chris! Sad beyond belief that we will be losing the greatest political monitoring site with your weekly contributions. Saturday’s will truly not be the same. For many of us it is your ‘Toons’ that kickstart our weekends.
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On a similar note and another appeal to ‘His Nibs’ to reconsider:
“We had a deeply dispiriting day yesterday. Today, David Maddox and the Scotsman reminded us of why we started Wings Over Scotland in the first place and why its work is vital, and in doing so renewed our vigour and sense of purpose.” link to wingsoverscotland.com
My inner pedant forces me to suggest – most of the sheep in Australia are the merino breed, bred for wool rather than meat.
Any lamb or mutton coming in will more likely be from New Zealand, where the natives’ proclavity for “sheep worrying” has apparently meant a more-edible animal being bred.
«FIRST Minister Nicola Sturgeon and 26 other Glasgow politicians have sent a letter to Priti Patel urging a stop to dawn raids.
The cross-party letter said there is “no support or place” for the Home Office and UK Government’s immigration plan in Scotland.»
The National 22/5/2021
Not exactly we dare you to do your worst Patel, we’ll be ready and waiting for you from herself and those politicians.
Tease, tease, tease…..
Just bin it, chortles Priti, and now for an Aussie lamb kofta. Yummy!
@ sensibledave
link to twitter.com
Aye let’s import shite meat from abysmally treated animals across the greatest distance possible rather than nurture and protect our own producers and products , just so the soulless ciphers that comprise our ruling class can proclaim the success of their grand tax-avoidance scheme/scam and in the process provide utterly useless air-abusers like Blackford another opportunity to bleat ( pun intended ) about the injustice of it all whilst doing precisely fuck-all to prevent it .
And when the hill and other farmers go out of business our superiors from the beautiful south can come up and buy the once productive land for their pet projects and cheaply acquired lebensraum .
* Everyone’s * a winner in the great New Scotland sale of the century
Caveat emptor . There may be some resistance
Dan 8.49
…. and doubtless the loony crew in Australia are sharing stories and pictures of the natives in Scotland going after each other on sectarian lines and the cruelty of sheep stomachs being dragged out and used to serve offal as meat?
As I said Dan, picking fault with foreigners is a good tactic and it really works. Keep going.
Keep doffing that cap and tugging the forelock Davey boy. The life expectancy of vegetarians has just dramatically increased over those of your own.
Isn’t natural selection a bugger.
Dave 9.18
Ah … and now we move on to wishing I’ll will to anyone that holds a different point of view.
Your agenda is so attractive, I can’t understand why everyone in Scotland isn’t on board.
Regarding the school that’s sinking: I understand that the Holyrood parliamentarians, their civil-servants and lawyers who are involved in the cover-up were named yesterday.
Just like the Alex Salmond case, none of them have lost their job. Not one. Some have even been promoted.
World experts said this school will never work in 2017. That has been added to in recent weeks by Scottish experts and yet we still have silence from all at Holyrood.
Welsh farmers are also expressing their rage .Being sold down the river by the Westminster government is something we should all be so used to that it is past remarking.
Sensible Dave says,picking fault with foreigners really works, Well the English should know they’ve been doing it for centuries,
They even managed brexit!
England still on track to destroy Scotland.
I cannot remember where I read that Aldi Australia saw fit to run a TV commercial dissing the Scots accent. Someone of Scottish birth or extraction took them to court (I am unsure on what grounds) and lost their case.
The above case plus other evidence both viewed and anecdotal, plus their treatment of Asian immigrants, plus a John Pilger film on the horrendous treatment of Aborigine detainees – makes ripping the piss out of Australia fair game in my book.
Aye Kye Spoat?
Oneliner
I’ve read here on wings that is generally accepted that the Scottish government and senior ministers are all corrupt, the Scottish Judicial system is corrupt, the Scottish police are corrupt, etc.
Why would the good folk in Oz (or anyone else come to that) want to have a trade deal with such a shower?
Breeks
You will no doubt be pleased to learn; The SNP’s NEC have replaced the Women’s and Equalities Conveners, who went over to the dark side, with the very same people the membership recently voted out of office.
It looks like the dynamic duo have made a plea for more funding to the inquisition in order to crank the witch hunt for transpobes and misogynists current and historical, real and imaginary up to eleven or more.
Good cartoon cris,
Farming is not dying off in Scotland, I heard we’re just gonna breed a different kind of animals.
First the land will be taken away from farmers that would normally pass on to their families,
Then the goverment will take over land to undermine the dangerous animals act, to breed bears, wolfs, bison, big cats, beavers, and great Muckle birds with sharp beaks and big talons, how cuddly
In preparation they are already clearing the land of its natural species, through fox hunting, culling deer, killing hedgehogs, crows, pigeons and fish, rabbits,
Creating an imbalance of nature in our country with more predators than prey,
It’s one way to keep you of the land though,
James Che
… if only Scotland didn’t keep electing the same government eh.
Surely Aussies Sheep are no threat to home bred Scottish Sheep ?
link to twitter.com
The fishermen done up like kippers. Now the farmers led like lambs to slaughter. Never mind folks as long as we British feel “Great” again. What’s not to like?
Nicely sketched Chris.
The only ‘mandate’ the Dear Leader and her Generals are concerned with is the one whereby they’re mandated to pay lip-service to Indy for another 5 years and get paid handsomely whilst doing so.
O/T
Wasn’t yesterday fun? Couldn’t peel myself away from the news channels as watching the BBC getting a kicking was compelling viewing. We’ve had to put up with their twisted version of ‘news’ a.k.a propaganda for years, but because they’ve been caught telling porkies about something other than Scotland the sky has suddenly fallen in. Brilliant! Just don’t ask me to eat any more popcorn…
With an abundance of chemically spiked, hormone injected meat about to hit our shores (origin unknown – no labels of course), don’t worry – think how much cheaper it will be – at least until they destroy the quality home produce. Then they will charge anything they like for their crap. Maybe the safest bet is to go full veggie.
Hmmm
link to twitter.com
Luigi
Is your point that we should just stop our friends and neighbours in the EU from fishing in U.K. waters completely, and that it’s not our problem to worry about how those folk in France, Spain, etc earn a living and feed their families? Asking for a friend.
Spot on Chris, it looks like it will be a zero-quota arrangement with Australia, which will inevitably allow Aussie beef and lamb to undercut the price, and ergo eventually the standards of Scottish produce.
The effects will be devastating to the Scottish beef and lamb farming industry, of course like the fishing industry which is now on the way down, a Tory this time Justice Secretary Robert Buckland said that farmers would not be undercut because of the deal.
Of course we expect this government to attempt to destroy the Scottish economy, as its doing it now, a leopard can’t change its spots as they say.
I blame Sturgeon the Betrayer for allowing Johnson to impose this on Scotland, she’s had six years as FM and we’re not one step closer to exiting this awful onesided union. The Betrayer should’ve listened to calls to make May ‘s vote a plebiscite but she ignored the calls for it.
Instead Sturgeon the Betrayer will focus on pointing the finger of blame towards Westminster to curry favour in Scotland without actually doing anything to get us out of this union. Meanwhile our beef and lamb faring industry will take a nosedive.
Robert Knight @ 10.16
Aye the BBC is grovelling in pathetic mea culpas now simply because the Establishment is faux-outraged at the treatment of one of their own
Yet we’ll not hear a whisper of apology for the despicable treatment and bias they dealt people like Jeremy Corbyn and Alex Salmond ie the disgraceful hatchet-job that was Kirsty Wark’s ” investigation ” – insisting on his guilt despite the unambiguous verdicts of the majority-female jury – and it’s continuous anti-Independence propaganda , in particular from it’s branch office @ BBC Jockland .
And let’s not forget how Saville was still employed by them despite his sick behaviour being common knowledge in media circles for years .
Does the deal come with free movement of people?
Asking for some friends who fancy moving.
Will the deal include ‘Australians’ joining Olympic Team GB?
It’s rumoured that Australia will win all the gold medals because they have been training hard while everyone else is in lockdown.
If we’re ‘doing’ all things Australian, here’s Germaine Greer schooling Kirsty Wark on the whole ‘trans’ stushie. Not sure how old it is, someone said it was 2015, on Newsnight.
@Forwomenscot tweeted the link, as RTed here.
link to twitter.com
Luigi says:
22 May, 2021 at 10:19 am
Maybe the safest bet is to go full veggie.
Sorry Luigi… keep reading link to archive.is.
Neonicotinoids killing the bees, “ …their use is still permitted for oilseed rape in countries like Ukraine, Australia, Canada, which export vegetable oils and margarine.
Chlorpyrifos is also used in Australia. “ …same class of chemicals as sarin nerve gas – is associated with reduced IQ, attention disorders, (ask SensibleDave what it tastes like), and autism in children and infants. Banned in Scotland since 2016.
And so is Chlorothalonil, a fungicide to kill mildew on crops which also kills fish and amphibians. EU members made May 20, 2020 the cut-off date after which it became illegal to store and use.
Even the veggies aren’t safe, and as somebody has already commented earlier, your food labelling won’t be kept to the standard we’ve become accustomed to, so good luck trying not to eat this shit.
Sensible Dave.
I agree with you, the same type of governments keeps repeating in England and Scotland.
The” To wee, Too poor” mantra turns into to stupid by default if Scotland farmers and fishermen allow this to happen,
We have had the ability to feed and look after our own nation for many years, without importing it in to our country.
From famous Aberdeen Angus beef cattle, dairies, wheat, barley, potatoes, vegetables and fruit, wool and fabrics , whiskey , pop drinks and juices , great water supplies , plus water and wind power, boat building , to name a few,
Producing these products and retailing them in our own corner shops instead of to gigantic stores like Tesco’s or Asda etc,
And excess products to the rest of the world gave Scotland massive employment, from the beginning of these processes to the end including shipping and harbours,
The whole population of Scotland is actually less than the population of London. We have more than enough to make us a wealthy country that is self sufficient,
The reason most of our trade goes to England is because of the treaty of the union, Trade was its purpose.
One has to question why are all these skills and crafts that have made Scotland famous, been reduced to universal credit,
Tonight Scots boxer Josh Taylor will attempt to unify four world championship boxing belts, a first for any Scot. Taylor has won Silver and Gold Commonwealth medals. Yet the contest wit Jose Ramirez, won’t be broadcast by BT or Sky sports.
Of course if it were Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury boxing for the four world champion belts, Sky Sport and BT Sports would be all over it.
I say good luck to young Josh, bring home the belts to Scotland, we at least acknowledge your achievements.
James Che – Highland Spring water was sold to the Arabs years ago. You can now find Highland Spring next to San Pellegrino in most Arab supermarkets throughout the world.
We’ve been importing beef from RoI and lamb from NZ for decades now. It was on the news last night that imports from Australia are unlikely to have a significant effect on the UK market.
“The UK’s main goods exports to Australia are cars, pharmaceuticals and Scotch whisky.”
Which cars & how many?
Can the UK compete against Japan, Thailand & Korea in the Australian car market?
Will the deal make any difference to the sales of Scotch whisky? It’s not as if Australia can go elsewhere.
No idea what these pharmaceuticals are.
Doesn’t sound like a very good deal for the UK could it be there is more to it. Something involving financial services perhaps?
Sometimes those cartoons hit the nail on the head. Great job.
@Sensibledave
Selective reporting – makes the MSM world go round
Captain Yossarian says:
It was on the news last night that imports from Australia are unlikely to have a significant effect on the UK market.
Reply
Were they reading a report prepared by the UK Gov?
link to archive.is
“However, the Financial Times has reported that Australia’s top beef exporter expects to increase sales to the UK by 10 times should a deal go through. Australian beef is produced intensively and more cheaply than its UK equivalent. UK farmers appear to reject the idea that meat produced in the UK to higher standards will find a market in Australia, and potentially at a higher price.”
Is trying to selling beef & lamb to Australia not similar to trying to sell ‘coals to Newcastle’ ‘snow to Eskimos’ or ‘sand to Arabs’?
O/T but remember that while we are all in varying degrees of being worked up about this or that economic or political matter we are being coerced into the position where we have 2 choices in life – accept experimental (yes, that’s right) medical products for which manufacturers have been given legal immunity(yes, that’s right), for which we are officially the test subjects (yes, that’s right), based on obviously inaccurate statistics and media hype (yes, that’s right)or live a life as a prisoner unable to function in society while being stigmatized by the same media and establishment.
Im also of the very strong opinion – any leader or would-be leader of the Scots who is not at least expressing concerns about this is not someone you should put much faith in, especially if they are repeating the establishment narrative.
Even the yanks are starting to fall out of love with Trump for the same reason.
Very shortly the children of our nation will be receiving these medical technologies.
We are at the point at where we each find out what we are made of.
Your silence and lack of critique now will be your legacy and you will deserve the dystopian future that you find yourself in.
Oh- if the comment doesn’t get deleted, say the term ‘conspiracy theory’ in any answer to this and I will dismiss it because at this point in order to simply dismiss these concerns with that term means you are either an A-grade fucking idiot or a shill.
What’s his name and where’re you going?
(sorry)
Remember a couple of years back it was uncovered that
many meat processors in the U.K. were using cheap horse
meat and meats having their sell by date amended.
Would these crooks be disturbed to toss in some kangaroo
or crocodile meat into your pies for an extra profit margin.
The Westminster way is to lie, cheat and rob then rally together
with some fake shock before covering up and continuing after
closing down the whistle blowers.
Noowhosfurra Skippy Snack?
Coodyegoa a Crocodile Croquet ?
Wantina Whichity Grub Waffle?
Ruby – Increasing it by a factor of ten is still nothing Ruby as they export next to nothing to us at the moment.
Since there’s not much to read/watch about independence these days, maybe this is the time to focus on the mighty UK’s economic history. As always, it makes a lot of sense to see how others report on the UK.
link to cbsnews.com
Or take a view from the UK of the UK up to the start of Thatcherism in 1980 –
‘Britain has now been in decline for a hundred years. It has become the most observed and analysed decline in modern history, provoking a speculative literature of enormous dimensions. Few explanations have not been proffered, few causes not dissected, few remedies not canvassed at least twice. The decline has been the central fact about British politiCs for a century, a major preoccupation of its public intellectuals and intermittently but increasingly of its political leaders. Two processes stand out -the absolute decline in the power and status of the British imperial state, and the relative decline ofthe British economy with its long-standing failure to match the rates of expansion of its rivals.’
link to link.springer.com
Since the 1980’s, the privatisation of public assets (selling the family silver) has been the major economic policy of all of the UK Governments. Often these UK Public companies were sold to Governments in other countries.
link to archive.is
But this selling is getting to the inevitable now –
link to archive.is
Now if only the UK could have had a lottery win, say around 1980, then this sell-off could have been avoided and the UK would have thrived in a Global Britain mk II.
link to archive.is
link to archive.is
link to archive.is
Doh!
Added to this lottery win time period is the moral question of successive UK Governments hiding the McCrone report findings from the public from 1975 for 30 years, while at the same time pissing away the lottery windfall.
And now there’s Brexit – Global Britain mk III.
Better Together?
Has anyone else saw this pish?
link to webcache.googleusercontent.com
So Stu started Wings because he was “Identifying a gap in the market”?
Er, no you fking clowns, the only ones who start blogs hoping to make a career out of it are vapid teenage girls – “professional bloggers” stumble into it as it takes up more of their time and they find themselves eventually having to decide what makes the better income.
If Stu had been doing this for business purposes, routinely telling the media and those in economic and political power to go do one was a funny way of going about it.
There’s much bitching about him being Bath-based. Well, when you watch your English neighbours learn the lesson you get the politics and politicians you deserve, and vote accordingly (bye bye northern Labour!), there’s another reason for chucking it. If Scots are determined to keep stumbling in the same old potholes, it’s a bit pointless warning them continually or telling them maybe if they filled them in this wouldn’t happen. You can’t fix wilful stupidity.
As for asking David “The Man Of A Hundred Job Titles” Leask for expert opinion, that’s like asking a Herald journalist to write an objective piece about Rangers!
Nope, Stu’s just decided he’d sooner have fun – quite right too and is now stepping back as he said he would last year to allow events to take their course.
When the disasters for Scottish nationalism he warned of come to pass, when it all proves a house of cards collapsing upon woke foundations shakier than a PPI school under the weight of Sturgeon’s enormous moon orbited ego, don’t be expecting him to ride back on his white charger to save the day.
Scotland’s railways have become ‘British’ possessions overnight!
Your essential weekend reading:
‘Sturgeon’s Skeleton’: link to wp.me
Sensibledave says: at 9:03 am
“As I said Dan, picking fault with foreigners is a good tactic and it really works. Keep going.”
So you’ve somehow managed to interpret the words of the President of the National Farmers Union of Scotland, where he is pointing out that the UK Prime Minister has failed to take on board the advice of U.K. farmers, environmentalists and consumers who are interested in animal welfare standards and food production systems, as somehow picking fault with foreigners…
Meerkat alert:
MSM running diversionary UFO stories
Grouse Beater @ 12.16pm
Another belter Gareth, more poweer to your elbow.
United Kingdom and British, key words in the «cancel culture» signified by the political status quo
English history, English literature the over arching terms within which cultural Scotland is constrained to operate.
The conflation of the terms English with British goes on in the promotion of a one-size-fits-all Unionism.
The minister whose portfolio includes «culture» has the following interests.
[Outside politics Robertson is a music fan, and particularly likes Metallica and Belle and Sebastian. He is a supporter of the Heart of Midlothian football team.]
Wikipedia.
So we may expect little from that quarter.
Perfect Chris, thanks. If we didn’t laugh we’d cry 🙂
I take it Robertson isn’t a great fan of Metallica’s fourth studio album, though.
Hope your friend is better Stuart.
@Sensibledave 22 May, 2021 at 10:22 am
“Is your point that we should just stop our friends and neighbours in the EU from fishing in U.K. waters completely, and that it’s not our problem to worry about how those folk in France, Spain, etc earn a living and feed their families? Asking for a friend.”
Err if they earn their living from fishing then why can’t they fish in their own waters instead of ours ? Asking for a Scottish Fisherman friend. The answer is of course “no reason at all”
Grousebeater@12.16
Well said – that is a damning record!
Also, an astute observation that overnight Scotrail will become part of the new GBR! Hmmm!
Don’t do it all at once Boris, slowly slowly catches Monkey!
I wasn’t going to post again
But this has to be publicised far and wide
Transcotlandia is already here
And they’re coming for you
link to twitter.com
And here’s the police officer who made the call
link to lgbtipolice.scot
James Che – it’s WHISKY. ‘Whiskey’ is Irish or American.
James Che @10.47
I was reading an article a couple of days ago about how the WM Gov wants to give farmers 100k to retire so that, allegedly, younger farmers can take over because they are more receptive to modern methods which are greener.
i.e. they will accept GM crops and won’t want to raise our own meat because of methane emissions so we can import all sorts of stuff and get better trade deals.
I can’t imagine that this is driven by an urge to ‘go organic’.
J.o.e 22 May, 2021 at 11:24 am
“O/T but remember that while we are all in varying degrees of being worked up about this or that economic or political matter we are being coerced into the position where we have 2 choices in life – accept experimental (yes, that’s right) medical products for which manufacturers have been given legal immunity(yes, that’s right), for which we are officially the test subjects (yes, that’s right), based on obviously inaccurate statistics and media hype (yes, that’s right)or live a life as a prisoner unable to function in society while being stigmatized by the same media and establishment.
Im also of the very strong opinion – any leader or would-be leader of the Scots who is not at least expressing concerns about this is not someone you should put much faith in, especially if they are repeating the establishment narrative.
Very shortly the children of our nation will be receiving these medical technologies.
Your silence and lack of critique now will be your legacy and you will deserve the dystopian future that you find yourself in.
Oh- if the comment doesn’t get deleted, say the term ‘conspiracy theory’ in any answer to this and I will dismiss it because at this point in order to simply dismiss these concerns with that term means you are either an A-grade fucking idiot ”
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And YOU go Off Topic why ? Because of your need need to spread you own “Fucking idiot ” invented conspiracy theories that is why.
“The vaccines approved for use in the UK have met strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).
Any COVID-19 vaccine that is approved must go through all the clinical trials and safety checks all other licensed medicines go through. The MHRA follows international standards of safety.
Other vaccines are being developed. They will only be available on the NHS once they have been thoroughly tested to make sure they are safe and effective.
So far, millions of people have been given a COVID-19 vaccine and reports of serious side effects, such as allergic reactions or clotting problems, have been very rare.” link to nhs.uk
@ Meg merrilees 22 May, 2021 at 1:09 pm
“I was reading an article a couple of days ago about how the WM Gov wants to give farmers 100k to retire so that, allegedly, younger farmers can take over because they are more receptive to modern methods which are greener.
i.e. they will accept GM crops and won’t want to raise our own meat because of methane emissions so we can import all sorts of stuff and get better trade deals.
I can’t imagine that this is driven by an urge to ‘go organic’.”
You can’t imagine ? Seems unlikely because the article you read actually suggested none of these things did it and you yoruself just actually “imagined them” yourself ? Too funny.
mike cassidy says:
22 May, 2021 at 1:05 pm
I wasn’t going to post again
“But this has to be publicised far and wide
Transcotlandia is already here
And they’re coming for you”
Good luck getting inward investment with the HCB on the statute book. I’ll never return to Scotland as long as the SNP are in power.
Off to enjoy my white privilege of a 80 hour work week to support my family.
Don’t you just adore Sturgeon the Betrayers virtual signalling over the Home office’s snatch and grab of the men from a Glasgow street, I don’t recall seeing her in Kenmure street, lying under the van, yet again I don’t recall seeing her at AUOB marches either. The Betrayer prattles on about how Scotland stand for freedom and democracy, and how Scotland opposes the HO decision, which is all very well if you are going to hold an indyref to get out of this absurd union, and set our own immigration rules.
However yet again Sturgeon the Betrayer is just playing to the Scottish gallery of Westminster bad, and look here, I will speak out about it but that’s as far as I’ll go. Sturgeon the Betrayer, only ever wants to portray herself and her party in a good versus evil Holyrood and Westminster struggle, but she won’t actually go any further no indyref that’s for sure, what a charlatan she is, and the majority of the uninformed Scottish public buy it hook line and sinker.
link to twitter.com
I think the main issue here is knowing all about your food source from origin to table, to hold higher standards for the well-being of land, animals, humans and the planet.
Not for trade deals for quick bucks and government,
Home grown is always best.
Sorry for to those whom thought I did dodgy spelling, had a visitor in bye as I was writing. Concentration not as it should be maybe.
Having said that, my schooling was in a corrugated tin hut in a forest, with a one Victorian teacher that was well past retirement, in the hills of Argyll before it became known to the outside world,
Not even a proper road to our house, Doctor used to use canoe up the loch in summer,
I do think I may make errors in the future here, so no shame felt by me,
, for a limited education and not being a drinker I think I do rather well.
Captain Yossarian says:
22 May, 2021 at 12:04 pm
Ruby – Increasing it by a factor of ten is still nothing Ruby as they export next to nothing to us at the moment.
Reply
If the UK exports next to no goods to Australia and Australia exports next to no goods to the UK what’s the big deal about the Australian trade deal?
It will increase imports and exports significantly. You might be able to buy cheap Australian beef at Lidl for example, but not anywhere else. That’s my reading of it.
@Don
‘Because of your need need to spread you own “Fucking idiot ” invented conspiracy theories’
Sorry Don, you failed
But for what its worth the vaccines are not approved. They are still in the testing stage as per manufacturers statement. The reason they are being rolled out is because they were given emergency use authorisation
They got emergency use authorisation because of the lockdowns.
The lockdowns were ‘justified’ due to fraudulent PCR tests that I detailed in an earlier thread.
So yes – A-grade fucking idiot or shill.
Make a choice
James
However the one thing I was taught really well, was manners and respect towards others, smiley face and a wink.
Lady Heehaw 🙂
Did anyone spot the ‘the Morphy Richard’s Iron’
in that video?
Not easy to find the correct meaning/origin of the phrase
‘Heehaw’.
I had to wade through loads of stuff about loud, harsh cries of donkeys or mules, cachinnation, cackle, guffaw, laugh, laughter, cachinnate, die laughing, laugh-one-s-head-off, roll-in-the-aisles, split-one-s-sides and sounds.
Tut Google! I said heehaw not yee-haw
Finally I found this: 🙂
“Scottish vernacular meaning nothing or very little. Comes from Glaswegian rhyming slang for “F**k aw” (“aw” being vernacular for “all”).!”
“Captain Yossarian says:
22 May, 2021 at 2:57 pm
It will increase imports and exports significantly. You might be able to buy cheap Australian beef at Lidl for example, but not anywhere else. That’s my reading of it.”
Oh pray tell where did you dig that little gem up.
Lidl is a well known promoter of Scottish produce, one of the few to do so.
link to lidl.co.uk
From the news last night. It will increase the volume of Australian beef in our shops by 0.1%. I said Lidl just as an example.
You are doing alright as far as I am concerned James.
AN ABSOLUTE DISGUSTING ABUSE OF POWER.
mike cassidy says on 22 May, 2021 at 1:05 pm
“I wasn’t going to post again. But this has to be publicised far and wide. Transcotlandia is already here. And they’re coming for you”
link to twitter.com
“And here’s the police officer who made the call:”
link to lgbtipolice.scot
Captain Yossarian says:
22 May, 2021 at 2:57 pm
It will increase imports and exports significantly. You might be able to buy cheap Australian beef at Lidl for example, but not anywhere else. That’s my reading of it.
Reply
Is there something wrong with Australian beef?
Will it be boycotted by Waitrose customers?
Australian beef only good enough for the plebs?
What are these other imports & exports you refer to?
Captain Yossarian says:
22 May, 2021 at 3:18 pm
From the news last night. It will increase the volume of Australian beef in our shops by 0.1%. I said Lidl just as an example.
Reply
News read by Lord HawHaw?
James Che. says:
22 May, 2021 at 3:07 pm
James
However the one thing I was taught really well, was manners and respect towards others, smiley face and a wink.
Reply
Just incase you fancy doing a 🙂
or a 😉 etc
)-: for smiley face
)-; a wink
(-: frown
above is a mirror image. Reverse order of ( & : ;
– always in the middle ) or ( last : ; first.
Finger crossed this works
Captain Yossarian says:
22 May, 2021 at 2:57 pm
It will increase imports and exports significantly. You might be able to buy cheap Australian beef at Lidl for example, but not anywhere else. That’s my reading of it.
The volume of beef isn’t the point. It’s that Scottish beef producers will need to cut their standards to keep their prices competitive just to sell their product, and compromising their standards means production begins to diverge away from European standards restricting their capacity to export to Europe.
When you cater for the lowest common denominator, the lowest common denominator determines what your standards are. Ordinary farmers never speak to the supermarkets or food processing companies. The farmer takes his beasts to sales and auctions, and he’ll feel the effect through the prices his livestock fetch, not the shelf price in Lidl’s.
You might be able to buy steak with a saltire, at a premium cost, but all the beef in pies, lasagnas, shepherds pies, processed foods and ready meals will not pick and choose on principle, and the hard earned prestige of “Scotch Beef” will be downgraded. The bar has been lowered.
Don @ 1.25 pm
You wrote –
You can’t imagine ? Seems unlikely because the article you read actually suggested none of these things did it and you yoruself just actually “imagined them” yourself ? Too funny.
Sorry to burst your hilarity bubble but if you click on the link below you will read the very article I was discussing. Definitely too funny, ha ha ha!
link to bbc.co.uk
Don’t bother apologising I appreciate that you can’t help being stupid.
“From the news last night. It will increase the volume of Australian beef in our shops by 0.1%. I said Lidl just as an example.”
Captain Yossarian.
Fair enough, but why add that you won’t find it anywhere else. Why wouldn’t you be able to buy cheap Aussie beef/lamb anywhere else, did your news programme say that its exclusive to Lidls.
After 2 hours spent wrestling a lawnmower across my lush lawn, I suggest it should be government policy to allocate households a sheep to keep their grass down.
This will save on the noise and fumes pollution of using a petrol mower, and generate organic waste to add sustenance to the soil for growing more veg.
Think global act local, and get a cleaner environment and a load of tasty lamb chops into the bargain.
Oh, and by the way, DON, just in case you didn’t quite understand the first article – here is another one.
link to bbc.co.uk
That’s not the way I read it, Breeks. What they were saying was that the cost of importing the beef over that distance would negate any real cost benefit. They are more worried that it will open the door to future imports from the USA and South America, which could be a lot cheaper.
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Is it just me or has anyone else notice the mysterious (and very welcome) disappearance of ALL of the the under noted multiple-ID-troll aock-puppet accounts ALL AT THE SAME TIME…
Rock,,,
Kcor,,,
Stainless Steel,,,
Andy Three Commas,,,
Eugene Henderson,,,
Market Forces,,,
Hudson,,,
Labour4Indy,,,
Patrick Jones,,,
Flaccid Squaddie P45,,,
Gang Rape Gordy,,,
No complaints from this end.
Just that whoever the sad involuntary celibate was that hid behind all those names and had conversations with himself, herself or itself must either be in Barlinnie or a psych ward or Colchester Barracks awaiting Court Martial.
It’s like the stench of rotting fish, mixed with overpowering body odour has lifted from the Wings site and it is possible to breathe cleanly and debate with decent human beings again without the persistent, pervasive piss-filled rantings of a 77th Brigade’s worst kept secret. Double-OO-tosspot.
In my best Taggart voice – “There’s been a sticker” it’s the lampost victims I feel sorry for. Don’t worry Kirkcaldy police are on the case, call Crimestoppers – lamposts have feelz too.
Meanwhile, the war on women continues. Thought Police Scotland are doing their best to criminalise a mother of 2 special needs children for a tweet!
Football hooligans – aye you get a free pass.
Female tweeter – down to the cop shop for you.
I don’t even think Orwell could have predicted this farsical society that Scotland has become. Scotland this is your HCB in plain sight. I could weep.
AUOB had the right idea holding an indy demo outside Holyrood today,(cancelled due to Covid) though outside Bute House when Sturgeon the Betrayer is present would be preferable, especially if she were entertaining a foreign diplomat who might ask the odd awkward question.
Now AUOB is going to hold one next month, not outside Holyrood or Bute House, or even outside the Betrayers house in Glasgow, but on Bannockburn field, much to the relief of the Betrayer, out of sight out of mind as they say.
It will be the usual unfocused on the Betrayers lack of indy movement since she took the reins in 2015 as FM. Instead I imagine it will be just another happy clappy flag waving exercise with a few guest speakers, and a bit of music thrown in to keep the marchers entertained.
The AUOB needs to evolve from a happy clappy bagpipe playing tourist attraction, to a serious demo organisation that hounds Sturgeon the Betrayer at every turn to get on and deliver independence. Without this vital course of action Sturgeon the Betrayer will just ignore the AUOB, as she has done for years regardless of whether there’s 100,000 marchers or even 200,000 marchers.
Ruby.
Thank you, and faith in nice people reinstated. Is this right? ( -:
Fancy that still learning at my age.
My My. The trolls are working very hard today, to play down the significance of this coming tariff-free beef deal with Australia, methinks. I have to admit, their imaginative efforts are impressive if not entirely believable. 🙂
On another note does anybody really care if the notorious lying state broadcaster the BBC duped the poncing royal Diana into giving an interview.
Royals are an affront to society, who receive huge amounts of state subsidies, the best of food, medical treatment and are cosseted from birth to death, at the taxpayers expense.
I would hope that an independent Scotland would dispense with this ruritanian nonsense, like many other countries have had the sense to do.
Let England keep its debauched royal family, Scotland has no need of it.
Giving that the bbc is partially state funded, that would make them civil servants would it not?
@ ROS
I suggest the ceremonial laying of many carrots would make for an apt form a protest.
Luigi – the ‘imaginative efforts’ are informed by last night’s news programmes. Try watching the news from time to time; it will inform you and make you less bitter.
As a door closes
link to theguardian.com
Hey, ho another opens…..
They dont do meat or fishing in the home counties.
Let them eat brioche!
Dont ya just wish ya had a party that, fists ready, stood up for you!
Lemme tell ya ’bout your blood Brexit kid
It ain’t Kangeroo it’s lorne
Straight to hell boys
Save your crocodile tears the farming community are really the pits, especially the hill farmers. Most of them have sold their hills for afforestation after buying them from the rest of us for next to fuck all.
I’ve worked for then for sixty years back and forward and they would skin a louse for its tallow.
When the Forestry Commission was winding up they sold all the farms to sitting tenants for knock down prices, plenty back handers about in these days.
What’s to stop them exporting on the free market? the price of Scotch lamb has been ridiculously high for years.
I we are going to make Brexit work we must take advantage of new trade deals and everybody will have to get the finger out.
I’m not buying into the soppy shit that Prince William found solace in Scotland after finding out the BBC were nasty to his mum. The future king of the UK, hopefully minus Scotland, who spent millions of taxpayers cash doing up his family home, was also said to be sitting in a beer garden in Edinburgh watching the Scottish cup Final.
In my opinion Willie is part of the love bombing plot aimed at Scotland to reinforce this God awful onesided union. Little does bald Willie know that Sturgeon the Betrayer has no plans for Scottish independence.
Davey boy 09:24:
Don’t you just love the projection on show here. Workhouse rules kid, if you can’t take it don’t dish it out.
There’s a whole lot of difference between a bit of verbal and actively supporting, as you clearly are, policy actions which will actually adversely affect the health of others through reducing the quality and standards of available food. Reducing choice.
So stop whining like a mardy arsed five year old. You sound like one of that section of the woke who kick the arse out of it.
Quite frankly if Australian meat is of excellent quality and if it is cheaper than Scottish meat then I’ll certainly buy it.
No one owes our Scottish farmers, or their English – British counterparts a living. Too many farmers are well known for their grant grabbing yet Tory leaning inclinations. And as we know, like the hapless fishermen, they were pro Brexit.
So hell mend the Scottish farming and fishing sector. Good Australian beef at good prices – and hard luck for our now invisible Union Jack marketed Scottish meat industry.
Socrates MacSporran says:
22 May, 2021 at 8:37 am
My inner pedant forces me to suggest – most of the sheep in Australia are the merino breed, bred for wool rather than meat.
Any lamb or mutton coming in will more likely be from New Zealand, where the natives’ proclavity for “sheep worrying” has apparently meant a more-edible animal being bred.
link to rspca.org.au
visit Jaggy.blog looks like Nicla may be going down the Independence in the UK road
Yes and good New Zealand lamb too if it comes over at the right prices.
And as a further comment, has anyone noticed how our now Union Jack adorned beef prices have gone through the roof recently.
At a conservative guess I’d say there has been a 20% plus increase in beef prices over the last six months, and it looks like the meat industry is creaming their prices.
Yes, good quality Australian meat at good prices is what we want.
@ wullie
Here’s the link.
link to jaggy.blog
James Che. says:
22 May, 2021 at 4:27 pm
Ruby.
Thank you, and faith in nice people reinstated. Is this right? ( -:
Fancy that still learning at my age.
Reply
Everyday is a learning day. I learn something new everyday on Wings.
You’ve got your smiley face nearly right except it’s the wrong way round.
You do : – ) without spaces
If I remove the spaces I get 🙂
although the smiley face doesn’t show up until you upload it.
Dan @ 6.11
Just read Jagyy’s blog – thank you for the link. Has a scary last couple of sentences though!
…The Anglo-American Deep State might launch a clandestine dirty war to prevent that happening, which is a chilling prospect.But nothing compared to the Firth of Clyde being at the centre of a full-scale nuclear conflagration.
Roll on Indy!
Dan says:
22 May, 2021 at 4:41 pm
@ ROS
I suggest the ceremonial laying of many carrots would make for an apt form a protest.
Reply
Yes! Dangling carrots.
I would like to suggest that if you want to dangle carrots from the parliament that you either knit or crochet your carrots if you cant do that then buy some plastic ones from Ebay 3 quid for 30 carrots.
Anywhere else dangling Value carrots should be fine.
The reason for this is that I don’t want the parliament rats being attracted by the fresh carrots & the neighbourhood being overrun by these parliament rats.
How many people saw one of the parliament rats running across the screen when she/her was being question by Maureen Watt?
link to archive.is
These ladies knitted ‘Happy Birthday’ last year on 19th July for she/her’s birthday and pinned it to the railings in front of Bute House & St Andrews House.
Might be a good time & place to display your handywork.
Does anyone need me to repost instructions on how to knit, crochet & glue gun a a dangling carrot? 🙂
OK Antipodean meat proves to be edible and slightly cheaper.
You are the type that doesn’t give a damn about well documented
cruelty to exported meats nor the environmental impact of transporting
animals 12,000 miles.
You are happy to see Scottish Farms closed and left to run wild.
You pay for the unemployment and now with no competition and
shortages here, who is going to guess which way the price of
Australian meat might go?
Exactly!
Geez, biatch, biatch, biatch about bojo & GB, UK gov, tories, England, English, tory voters + + +, now add Aussies, their farming methods, shit beef, shit lamb + + +. But hey, you all want to be baws deep in the EU and import any & every fvcker and home, feed, clothe & keep them and their multiple wives & children, the darker the better eh!. See here’s a wee clue why Scotland isn’t independent & why no snp or alba type party will ever get you your prized not independent independence. The majority of every day Scots don’t like working their ass off for 55 years scrimping & scraping while boat loads of gimmiegrants rock up in rubber boats and driven to their 3 + star hotels and 3 Square meals a day, £s , phones + + + all paid for by us normal folk, us that are no more Scottish than the new arrivals according to most of you. Most of us don’t want illegals outstanding their welcome, we want to work hard when able and to support our own before we support aliens. We don’t want our Parliament filled with 14 languages, we don’t want anyone making laws in our land who doesn’t either swear in on a Christian Bible or by affirming, a q’ran should NEVER be in our Parliament & no politician should ever display rainbows & trans sh1t anywhere. Our politicians are elected to represent us all, no out group should be given preferential treatment, and our schools should not be indoctrination camps for minorities. These are reasons you whiners are stuck with a duplicitous midwit & her midget gem for the next 5, 10, 20 years. But it’s all down to bojo, the tories, the….. in a nutshell, Scotland is fvcked because it’s just not Scottish enough for jock Thomson & his bairns.
I still have several hundred left-over Panini Football ’79 stickers in a drawer but I don’t know whether they are controversial: would it be on a case-by-case basis?
Cenchos says:
22 May, 2021 at 7:06 pm
“I still have several hundred left-over Panini Football ’79 stickers in a drawer but I don’t know whether they are controversial: would it be on a case-by-case basis?”
Just get some markers, draw a dress on couple of them, maybe a bit faux eyeliner on one. If they come for you, tell them 1979 was transphobic so you’re correcting history. They like that sort of thing.
Aye. Alfie Conn had already transitioned by then.
From twitter..
“Rangers FC are taking legal action against Humza Yousaf (Scottish Heath Secretary, and former Scottish Justice Secretary) after police cleared players of using sectarian language during title celebrations..”
So will this be even more public money being diverted, via the courts, to RFC?
@AWhiteLife
“The majority of every day Scots don’t like working their ass off for 55 years scrimping & scraping while boat loads of gimmiegrants rock up in rubber boats and driven to their 3 + star hotels and 3 Square meals a day, £s , phones + + + all paid for by us normal folk, us that are no more Scottish than the new arrivals according to most of you.”
Trust me your anything but normal if you’ve worked for 55 years in the Yookay.
@ Cenchos
You’re probably straying into dubious legality mentioning that you own such merchandise.
I feel I am also on dodgy territory, as I helped a couple of older folk clear their houses when they downsized, but due to lockdown I am still in possession of boxes of stuff from a bygone era as I’ve been unable to get rid of it all to the charity shops.
TBF I can make use of some of the women’s clothes what with the transing, but some of the boxes of books and magazines are not what would be classed as politically correct in these modern times.
Take for instance the BUNTY comic No.233 “A Dog’s Life For Donna”. The title reeks of poor Donna being refereed to in a derogatorily manner and enduring an oppressed existence.
(Incidentally the only Donna I knew was a cracker of a lass from Orkney, but I digress).
Also of concerning is the pile of SCOTS magazines which still have cigarette advertising on the rear cover, which presumably breaches modern day plain packaging legislation.
I’m driven to drink as I sit worrying that the chap on the door will come and I’ll be charged with possession of illegal material condoning Hate Crime and the stylish promotion of Dunhill and Peter Stuyvesant smokes.
Oh God. There’s a Black Bob annual as well.
Don. You’re gullible or a Government shill. Which is it? Theses”vaccines” are being treated as an experiment by insurance companies. Prove me wrong. In Thailand people are being arrested for refusing the vaccine.Children don’t need to be vaccinated. I’m sick of snake oil salesmen with Government ministers owning shares in their Gene therapy experiment.
The irony of the comments about tainted food from another country while our Governments are trying to make us take DNA altering Gene therapies is grimly amusing
Complaining about New Zealand lamb.. Is this a local shop for local people? Is this Royston Vasey?
Effigy says:
22 May, 2021 at 6:47 pm
“stuff”
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In the meantime back on planet reality
link to pbs.twimg.com
Is it possible to have something that is fucked and then fuck it even some more??
@ Cenchos
Just be glad you don’t own The
BroonsNon Contentious Colours, or OorWullieUnspecified Sexual Genitalia annuals…I hope Rangers win against Yusuf. The SNP attacks their culture. It may be low culture…. but it is still their culture.
Luigi. Do you know any farmers? People get what they vote for even if its a surprise to them. Fuck them. You’ll still eat well. Just make sure it’s properly cooked… in clean kitchen equipment. No worries no drame. Let the Farmers do all the worrying.
Good evening Effigy, I appreciate the emotive nature of your response that Australian meats might prove to be edible. They are in fact that and more. I’ve stayed there.
I also appreciate the emotive nature of your comment about loss of Jobs, who’ll pay the unemployment benefit and so on if folks don’t buy British.
I used to make the biggest effort possible not to buy British but buy Scottish. Beef, lamb, pork, chicken, vegetables – the lot. Good for local employment, good for food miles, and good because I thought it was good quality.
But those days are gone. Out of the EU it is a race to the bottom whether it be chlorinated chicken or the use of herbicides priorly banned, or in worker protections. That the UK Internal Market Bill has removed all manner of powers from the Scottish Parliament gives mechanism to these changes.
But you know what Effigy, this sadly is what the great Scottish public voted for. We gave a signal not to leave the EU, but voted for a party who did not stop it. We voted for a party who I believe is not committed to independence, who deliberately promoted the squandering of 1,094,000 second votes.
Yeh, I’m pro Scotland but is the general public pro Scotland. Of course they are not. Too many don’t care. A nation, a proud nation, who’s like us – aye we know the story.
So yes, buy Australian if it’s a better deal. That after all is what we voted for.
Anyone who believes the NHS on covid vaccine is being misled. Go to UK Columns website to get the inside story from whistle-blower nurses. Northern Approaches with David Scott is worth a look also. Sadly there are no left wing sites or commentators I can advise because the Left have fallen for Global Bankers pre-planned “Pandemic” If covid 19 is a pandemic why is has barely anyone died of it recently? All you hear about are “cases cases cases” but no deaths. Funny old pandemic that.
Don. Do you work for the pharmaceutical industry?
The PCR test is the full rum of Government policy and it is being improperly used in order to achieve apparently positive result.
Where are all the dead people? Come on. Bring out your dead.
Pixywine.
I’m the undecided but I have an open mind.
Give me your best three links that prove Covid is a scam
Hi AWhiteLife at 6:52.
Your contribution was unreadable at this time of night, due to your overuse of +++ (what kind of grammar is that?), and your lack of paragraph breaks, and my partaking of Bell’s and Iron Brew (Lidl).
Verdict?
Must try harder…
Stoker. If the policewoman had a case she would be at the door with an arrest Warren. No one should ever attend a police interview without a lawyer. Just keep ignoring them. It’s a police “fishing expedition. I hope Marian Miller sees this.
Marian Millar. The police want you to attend an “interview” because she wants to sit with one of her colleagues, get you on your own and trick you into incriminating yourself. GET A LAWYER.
Marion. If the Police have a case against you they’ll come to your door. They’re fishing.
We’ll come to Tyranny. All of a piece with covid medical Tyranny. Join the dots children.
Dave Oga Check out Reiner Feulmich on his YouTube channel. You could always surf the net yourself.
My objection to importing meat from Australia/NZ concerns food mileage; something that’s been much talked-about with regard to global warming. The airlines’re itching to get back to the old normal and don’t want discussion of lower-emissions travel – taking the train to London rather than flying, for example.
We’ve had an idle year to discuss/implement different ways of doing things to combat this, and nothing’s happened.
Derek, buying locally produced Scottish produce was a big thing for me. Good for local jobs, good for food miles.
But these days are gone. You cant identify Scottish produce under the blanket Union Jack branding.
The farmers and producers of this food have hitherto have in the majority cared little of their identity. Tory voting, brexit supporting, subsidy loving the industry is now getting what it voted for.
The country in fact is getting what it voted for, so what’s the beef, if that be the appropriate word.
Scotland the brand is finished. We need to get used to that Derek.
More focus on hormone injected beef.
Less focus on hormone injected twitter beefs.
Dave’s been busy again. 🙂
#CSIKirkcaldy
link to twitter.com
Heard a fine tune called ‘grouse beater’ on radio shortbreads marvelous Pipeline earlier.
Very suitable.
Heartening to see the pish being ripped out of St Nic and co.
More of this please, they defo don’t like it.
Pixy. Nonsense. Rangers actually live in denial of their celtic-Gaelic culture. Instead they have an invented British union Ulster ideology. It’s not a culture at all.
Just a hate fest directed at Scottishness, Irishness,Catholicism and anyone else who gets in their way.
The legal action is a veiled threat. I repeat again. The police have not said the video was fake or the singing never happened. Only no proven criminality.
Stop falling for the Rangers diversion techniques. They are trying to divert you from their scumbag fans and the actual things that happened.
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The Police continue to show their corrupt unionism in more
and more obvious forms as who is there to call when their
acts are criminal?
I could recognise a hundred law breaking fans committing a multitude
of crimes from video clips on the internet but who have the police searched
or appealed for to come forward? No one.
The police wear body cameras, some of their vehicles have CCTV, there is street CCTV
but there doesn’t seem enough proof that these are Celtic fans in Rangers tops so they leave it.
We are accused of throwing our face into the law abiding knuckle dustered fist of the police.
For those interested.
link to twitter.com
Netherlands for Scottish Independence/R. Dijkstra
@NL4Indy_SNP_RD
·
12 Feb
We are proud to announce that on May 29th, together with our friends from @Germans4indyref
, we will hold a virtual rally for Scottish Independence, with great speakers and musicians. Please join us in making this a great succes. Details will follow. #DissolveTheUnion #indyref2
Big Jock. So you speak Gealig?
Everyone’s an expert now meat import and export.
We already import more lamb from New Zealand than we export to the EU. But not much difference. Though overall we import more lamb than we export. Not much from Australia though. And as I can remember eating New Zealand lamb as a child, which would be the 1960s, nothing new about meat trade, especially for a country who is a net importer of meat.
Of course lamb is a seasonal meat and the Antipodes produce at a different time to ourselves.
But hey, lets not let facts get in the way of a good grievance.
Now, if you were to be as concerned about transportation of live animals, I’d back you all the way. We followed a truck from the top of Skye coming of Lewis to the mainland, one of the sheep had its head stuck for the whole journey. We stopped the driver and he thought we were mad to be concerned. Personally I can’t think of a single reason why live animals have to be exported.
I think the real problem with Rangers fans here is that they have proved by their actions that there is no “pandemic” to be afraid of. So. All you “lockdown” queen’s out there can crawl out if your holes and get back to your lives. Stop falling for the same propaganda about India that many fell for a year ago.
Dave Oga. Try Dr Sam Bailey on YouTube.
Pixywine,
Why don’t you put the bottle down, take the clown makeup off and leave the junk science youtube alone. You’ll feel much better for it in the morning.
We buy direct from the farm. Top quality at reasonable prices. Australian imports will have no effect on us.
Aren’t I great? I sound like one of those Barbour jacket wankers.
It’s true though. Look into supporting local farms and business more than ever. Westminster cant stop us doing that.
Pixywine is right.
Covid was over last Summer. They’ve been scamming us out of our rightful lives and freedoms since then.
Why we’re not at Holyrood with pitchforks I do not understand.
Sturgeon’s atrocious action in putting Glasgow in level 3 at the last moment, when it was too late for hospitality businesses to cancel orders, and with staff booked, was pure evil.
Only one persons job matters in Scotland.
And we’ve just handed the bitch another 5 years.
By “we” I mean collectively. I wouldn’t vote for the ginger goblin or her scumbag enablers if my life depended on it.
“Aren’t I great? I sound like one of those Barbour jacket wankers.”
Everyone to their own Charles, but that’s pretty niche.
Wipe clean though.
😉
The greatest cost in all this is the cost to the environment – the pollution caused by transporting refrigerated produce thousands of miles around the world. In these times of ecological crisis we should be producing and shopping locally which, for us, means Scottish produce with Scottish standards.
Not only is such hair-brained thinking environmentally catastrophic, it is also economically devastating for local farmers whether they be English, Scottish or Welsh; sacrificed at the altar of political desperation and intellectual bankruptcy.
Personally, as a vegetarian, I would like to see an end to the meat trade and animal slaughter altogether.
Could not agree more Saffron Robe that we should not be refrigerating meat and sending it all the way round the globe. The logic of not shopping locally and supporting locally produced provenance escapes me too.
But that is exactly what we voted for. You cannot odds it any other way. Brexit and trade deals like this with Australia is I repeat what we voted for. And the destruction of the choice to buy Scottish produce identified as Scottish. Well just take a stroll down the meat and vegetable counters and look at the extent to which produce is now identified and emblazoned with the Union Jack. That didn’t happen by accident either.
Scotland the brand, and in fact the country is being wiped off the shoe as surely as a piece of dirt is wiped off one’s shoe – and does the average consumer voter care. Or does our elected pretend parliament in Edinburgh care.
Course not their focus is GRA, HCA and other such pressing matters. Who’s like us – Eh?
Pixywine says:
23 May, 2021 at 12:29 am
“Dave Oga. Try Dr Sam Bailey on YouTube.”
Ta. That’s what I was looking for. Someone who can explain using scientific truths.
Im working abroad just now, where there is mandatory mask wearing outdoors. Very uncomfortable in the heat. I took video yesterday of this old bodach walking alone, no one within 50 metres, stopping everyone once in while to take the mask off his nose to breath. He was obviously distressed. Wicked. A government terrorising its people for no valid reason
even if this invidious charade was based in fact.
Misses the point that the biggest threat to Scottish farming are Irish imports. We import more beef from Ireland than the entire Scottish beef production. A lot of beef that comes from Ireland isn’t even Irish, it’s polish or Romanian raised in substandard conditions. Queen Nicola would quite happily destroy the country to feed her vanity.
Also got to laugh at the “proud Scottish patriots” on here who are happy for Scottish farming to be thrown to the dogs… mind you when you haven’t worked a day in yer rotten life it would be hard to appreciate how frustrating it is to knock yer pan in 24/7 in all weathers for zero return. The New SNP1 crowd descend further into the cesspit every day, these people could not give a damn about Scotland or it’s people.
A Scottish Boxer, Josh Taylor won his fight in
Las Vagas last night to become the first Scot
to unify his title by now holding all 4 versions
for his weight category.
He proudly upheld his country’s flag, the Saltire on winning.
Strangely for such a big important history making event, we
Couldn’t see it here in Scotland.
BBC news did give a photo and 15 seconds on the story after
30 seconds of Formula 1 drivers practicing before a race and 30
seconds of talk and videos discussing a possible Tyson Fury Vs
Anthony Joshua fight at some time in the future.
Oh and a full length interview with English Swimmer Peaty who
won a gold medal yesterday.
Just watched some clips of the Eurovision Song Contest.
There were some stinkers in there and England’s GB entry
wasn’t so bad compared to other but it got Zero Points.
That score wasn’t down to the performance on the stage but
the performance of the U.K. politicians.
It’s been made clear team Boris see themselves as superior to
Johnny Foreigner and they are happy to sign and then break agreements
put the Good Friday agreement in peril.
Freddie Mercury couldn’t have gathered 2 points to rub together when representing GB.
What a farce Great Britain!
How on earth did they ever get away with giving themselves the title great?
Can you imagine reaction if Germany announced that as having the strongest economy in
EU and having welcomed over 1,000,000 refugees, they now wish to be known Great Germany?
Effigy
You betray yourself. Accusing people of seeing others as Johnny Foreigner when you clearly have utter contempt for other people based on where they come from.
The island is called Great Britain, it relates to geography.
As for josh Taylor, I follow boxing and the fact is he isn’t major box office as he’s only a light welterweight. If he keeps going the way he is he will get the headlines eventually, he needs to go after super fights now,
Effigy
Bloody hell! Someone other than me as called you out! About time.
Shocked says:
23 May, 2021 at 7:38 am
“Misses the point that the biggest threat to Scottish farming are Irish imports. We import more beef from Ireland than the entire Scottish beef production. A lot of beef that comes from Ireland isn’t even Irish, it’s polish or Romanian raised in substandard conditions. Queen Nicola would quite happily destroy the country to feed her vanity.”
Source please. I live in Ireland and the only time I’ve seen anything other than Irish beef is in specialty products, i.e at a Polish shop or section in a supermarket. Nobody where I live would eat beef that wasn’t Irish. That’s generally the case wherever I’ve been. They don’t eat foreign meat generally. Spain, Italy France etc. For good reason too.
I wonder why I keep coming back here? Addiction, a last flickering light of hope? I stopped identifying as Scottish at the election. Why not?. My daughter was born in Ireland and I have the granny for the passport. Its not really working out like I expected because everyone in the town I live in knows me as Scottish Davie.
It’s too hard to explain to normal people in normal countries that I’m not considered Scottish by the Junta in Edinburgh and the majority of the half-witted, fucking morons who inhabit the land that begat me. Not Scottish like someone who enters the country illegal, exhausts due process and refuses to leave anyway. Class.
Anyway. Best of luck to all continuing the struggle.
Got to go.I’ve had a long week exercising my white privilege. It’s been a pleasure to earn money to support my extended family in Nigeria. I’ve got a flight home today. Need to get something special special for my two year old, mix race daughter and my pain in the ass (not literally, lol) flamboyantly gay neighbour
wants me to bring a him a specialty liqueur which struggling find. Pain in the ass, but he’s the first real friend I made when I moved to Ireland 4 1/ years.
Tricky Nicky –
You are a piece of human excrement and history will record you as such. Of that, you can be sure.
@davie olga
So you live in Ireland and ignore the corruption in the Irish beef trade invoking crooks like Larry Goodman and the Irish farmers protests at the processing plants.
If you don’t notice that going on there is no point in me trying to educate you. Open your eyes.
@ sensibledave
Talking of calling folk out, you never responded to this post upthread.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Dan
Ah, I think you missed the irony Dan. I thought you loved the EU and all of the federal Europe, no borders, single state stuff. My bad.
Effigy
Shocked is right, but he’s the only one who takes that position. Everybody else ignores the “greater” part of Great Britain” and instead “Rule Brittainia” plays in their heads.
That’s also sort of the problem with the House Jocks. They want to be part of something that’s greater than Scotland because they can’t see that the country is greater than the image that gets served up by the media all day, every day.
Independence people are not interested in glory or empire. They’d be happy with something nice, quiet and unassuming to call their own, like a copy of Estonia, on this side of the North Sea.
In a way that’s problematic too as it will never be enough for the House Jocks. They want to be in the premier league and being in the first division isn’t good enough. Centuries of brain-washing by the British Empire has forever warped their expectations.
They’re never going to listen to Nicola’s pleas to say Yes. She represents everything they resent about a future in the first or even second division.
This is just a fanciful explanation and simply a thought exercise. It shows that “Yes” will never be an option for some. Think football and you can see what I mean.
As I read all the bleating, whinging, grievance and all the thinly veiled anti-English stuff here, I have to remind myself that, when actually asked, the “people of Scotland” voted to stay in the U.K. No one else, just the “people of Scotland”.
At the same time, when I look at any polls that have taken place, I note, generally speaking, “the people of England” do not oppose Scotland leaving the U.K. (with an increasing proportion actually wanting it).
When a thread like this one starts, and the immediate reaction here is that a free trade deal, with a country like Australia, is a bad thing. …. I wonder just who folk on here actually want to trade with.
As I mentioned above, the general agreement above is that the Scottish Government and all its senior ministers are corrupt. The Scottish legal and judiciary is corrupt. The Scottish police are corrupt ie the country is a basket case (not my view).
Why would a free democratic country like Australia want a trade deal with such a country? Maybe it doesn’t? Maybe it wants a trade deal with England ad it has to deal with Scotland as a consequence?
Again, asking for a friend.
Your football metaphor works really well Stuart , to continue it can we agree the ” lad ” Salmond played a blinder though greatly hampered by really awful refereeing and dirty tackles by the opposing team .
To think they once played for the same side too
@ sensibledave
Well you thought wrong then. I recognise there are pluses and minus of being an EU member State.
But what I think isn’t the point. To suit your agenda you twisted the words of The President of the National Farmers Union for Scotland raising concerns for the industry he represents, with the way the UK as a whole, and Scotland as an entity with differing farming practices (status recognised by LFA subsidies), have been taken out of the EU single market without due consideration for all that entails for both the short and long term.
It makes sense to trade locally when required to reduce food transportation miles, and having regulatory alignment with EU standards would maintain our produce’s tradability with our nearest global market, which would also ensure it adhered to decent quality and welfare / production standards.
Stuart Mackay
Being like Estonia, a former soviet republic growing its way out of decades of communist oppression and economic decay, is a major step backwards. Why do you have no ambition for Scotland? Do you not think we can be successful? Tho of course Estonia is quite like Scotland st the moment as they admired in corruption, mind you their kick their corrupt politicians out and jail them, we seem to re elect them and then kneel in front of them because they once waved a flag.
But then I noticed you are a fan of Queen Nicola and the New SNP, their only ambition for Scotland is for it to be an open prison where the New SNP leadership cabal yield ultimate power and we are mere sheep who’s only function is to fund their lifestyles.
Dan
For Scottish beef farmers the EU is an irrelevance as they sell 70% of their product to England, hence the Union jacks on some packaging to keep packaging costs down, and around 6% to the EU.
The EU is however a major threat as the UK imports huge amounts of Irish beef that is cut price because if is heavily subsidised and many cases it isn’t even Irish at all.
The myth that the EU is a great thing for Scottish farming is just that, a myth,
Shocked says:
23 May, 2021 at 8:45 am
@davie olga
“So you live in Ireland and ignore the corruption in the Irish beef trade invoking crooks like Larry Goodman and the Irish farmers protests at the processing plants”
I know about the protests. I live in a county dependent on agriculture. The protests were centred price for farmers. Goodman is a charlatan of the highest order. No one here would eat his foreign meat. All exported.
Dan
…. your “appeal to authority” by suggesting I twisted the words of NFU man is just silly. I don’t know he is and I don’t know what he said.
Moving on, you accept that there were/are pluses and minuses for a country being in the EU. I’ve never heard a Remainer provide any balance before. Could you therefore tell me a few of the minuses that you perceive please.
Republicofscotland
I agree about AUOB about being clap-happy but that’s the reason it’s successful. It’s more along the lines of a St. Patrick’s Day parade or Gay Pride march. If it becomes more confrontational then that’s the day there’s more visible police presence, maybe with a couple of units of riot police sitting not so discretely on a side road and a few more dogs than usual and that’s the day that a lot of people decide that in future a march might be the start of trouble and decide not to go again.
You could still make it political and still keep it fun – a parade of carrots, or a cohort of women dressed as Suffragettes. Would be interesting to see how far you could push it before attracting criticism from Kirsty Bormann, Rhiannon Speer or the führer herself, but again you’d run the risk of making it not clap-happy and so undermine it.
More of the Imperial Masters guy with the megaphone and carrots dangling from lamp posts might be a better way of slowly turning up the heat.
@ Shocked at 9:31 am
You may have missed the point I made by saying “It makes sense to trade locally when required to reduce food transportation miles.“.
That relates to us consuming far more of our own home grown produce (I’ll add the seasonal aspect too) before we even consider importing similar stuff from further afield and different global trading blocs.
I was on a motorbike ride a couple of years back and in the middle of summer in Blairgowrie, a town surrounded by berry fields, the Coop was selling strawberries from fucking Morocco.
An interesting development
link to archive.is
In The Times
Lord advocate to stand down
Call for dual role to be split next time
Bjsalba
Now that would be a suitable job for Joanna Cherry – if will never happen of course!!!
Davie olga
The foreign beef is processed in Ireland instead of Irish beef meaning the Irish farmers get ripped off and the foreign beef is labelled Irish and sent to the UK.. We need to shut the border to this corruption.
If it’s tough in Ireland too bad, they brought it on themselves,
Maybe I did Dan, we should be encouraging home production and creating jobs instead of importing from abroad.
Shocked
You really are a lazy dimwit. Was you’re reply to what I said the next block of text to post from your checklist.
Perhaps you have a troll tele-prompter because you can’t be trusted to write a sentence all by yourself without getting it wrong.
But as I said Dan, staying in alignment with the rest of the UK is far more important than staying in alignment with the EU for Scottish farmers.
Stuart Mackay
Says the sturgeonite who’s only ambition for Scotland is to take us back 35 years. When party comes first and country second you are what happens, ambition free drones who can’t think for themselves.
Vote green…haha!
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
Nice wee piece of BBC bias there on Marr, as the bold Andrew delivers Priti Patel a nice slow ball with which to put Sturgeon and Scotland back in their box.
The deportations will continue, because London is in-charge. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Sturgeon, was Patel’s message.
@ Sensibledave at 9:37 am
You responded to me after I’d linked to Martin Kennedy’s tweet. Check his bio.
I’ll link to his tweet again but this time through this Jim Fairlie tweet.
You may not know who they are but some of us do and know they have considerable experience and knowledge in aspects relating to Scottish farming.
Can you acknowledge that they might just have more relevant insight into the Scottish farming industry than yourself.
link to twitter.com
Re. pluses and minuses. Well I’ve already highlighted the needless transportation of produce over great distances when it could be sourced locally. I am also aware that the complete freedom of movement had aspects that are open to abuse when folk can just rock up and start getting state aid without having previously contributed.
Shocked says: at 9:49 am
“But as I said Dan, staying in alignment with the rest of the UK is far more important than staying in alignment with the EU for Scottish farmers.”
Even if it means dropping our standards?
Stuart MacKay says:
23 May, 2021 at 8:59 am
That’s also sort of the problem with the House Jocks. They want to be part of something that’s greater than Scotland because they can’t see that the country is greater than the image that gets served up by the media all day, every day.
Exactly this.
I remember a YouTube clip of some Spanish people held up in traffic because the Catalan farmers were protesting in their tractors, and the gist of the sneering derision was that the tractors were the Catalan’s military army.
Ask most Unionists and even undecided, and they just cannot visualise Scotland having a Scottish Navy well capable of defending Scottish Waters, a Scottish Air Force being able to afford cutting edge aircraft and maintaining a potent defence of the realm.
You say Scottish Navy, they see Scottish motor boat bought second hand.
You say Scottish Army, they see TA duffers running into battle without frontline tech.
You say Scottish Government, they see a Micky Mouse puppet show. (Ok they might be right on that one).
You say Scottish infrastructure, they see a worky pouring tar into a pothole. Their heads would explode at the thought Scotland might copy the Faroes with undersea tunnels.
They’re cynical if you cite Scotland’s historic Constitution because it’s centuries old, yet they pull out and misrepresent the Darien Scheme like a gun… (missing out the East India Company’s roll in it’s collapse of course).
You say Scottish Broadcasting, they see 1970’s Black and White TV with 2 channels.
You say Scottish Energy, they wonder which BritNat Old Boy was parachuted in to run it.
You say Scottish University, they think of a college.
You say Scottish Exports, they see subsidised trade which needs English ports and airports.
The list goes on and on, but the sense of inadequacy is pretty constant.
Can you imagine the massive resource Scotland would have if all these sad punctures were plugged, and everybody started to believe in their Nation and pull their weight? Imagine if all those BritNat Unionists who currently think Scotland’s roll in the Union is to sacrifice itself for the greater UK, put the same energy they use to malign Scotland into making the place thrive.
I was in China in 2007, the year before the Beijing Olympics, and you saw a backward, essentially a peasant nation suddenly opening up their country, building cutting edge motorways and reinventing their “normal”. And by the way, for all that was said in the West, I didn’t meet a single Chinese person who was cynical about their nation. They love China as the best nation in the world, and that’s how I want to feel about Scotland.
You had to watch. You could be driving along a road which would suddenly disappear because the roundabout it led to hadn’t been built yet. On another occasion, the 5 lane motorway was still unfinished, so all the traffic (what traffic?), had to jump into the wilderness and follow the tracks of the tipper trucks which were still building the motorway. (Yes, I know, horse track to 5 lane motorway, but that’s another story).
It’s strange to describe, but there were ‘villages’ which hadn’t been built. They people were there, but the buildings weren’t. There were ‘organic’ small communities of people supporting the project workers with hot food, water, and essentials, and dirty, and I mean coal miner dirty, mechanics keeping all the vehicles running. It put me in mind of the frontier towns which sprung up to serve the colonial charge to exploit “the colonies”.
At one point we needed a welder to fix one of our vehicles, and you were steered in the direction of a welder by people who knew where one was, and I remember thinking that’s exactly how and why we have occupational names like Baker, Butcher, Fletcher etc in our society…. It was for people trying to find them for what they did, not who they were.
China was brilliant, but a bit nuts to be honest, and a one-off situation, but the point is, if your people are enthusiastic, the energy and commitment, the innovation and improvisation it inspires is truly remarkable, and I firmly believe it’s been such a very looooong time since Scotland was truly enthusiastic about anything. Scotland, our nation, is dormant in ways it just doesn’t even realise.
Even in the most ardent Scottish Unionist, there is no uplifting enthusiasm for the Union, just a misguided Calvinist notion of worthy and dutiful self sacrifice. You ask them to articulate a positive, progressive case for the Union, and they just can’t do it. They are suddenly very ordinary salesmen, trying to sell you something colourless which you neither need nor want.
Scotland deserves so much better than this. Scotland is so much more capable of so much more. The sad thing is, the current SNP government is now as much of a stifling blanket over Scotland’s resurrection as the Union ever was. It is thoroughly depressing.
@dan
UK standards are higher than EU standards for a whole range of agri products. Many practices carried out on the continent are illegal in the UK.
In case you missed it.
The loyal and royal Kirk of Union has a new boss.
link to bbc.co.uk
Cosy.
Greetings folks! Anyone else on here used Wickr? Given recent events Stickergate in Kirkcaldy and threats to #WomenWontWheesht heretics like @millar_marion in , it occurred to me a secure method of communication might be useful?
I saw some discussion online yesterday on timelines discussing the above, particularly from someone advocating it as a safety net from being “cancelled”?
Good post Breeks a long time since I read anything inspirational about Scottish Independence.
You are spot on, we need dedication, sacrifice and belief in ourselves to make it work, but the malaise is a lot deeper than you attempt to illustrate. The populace have lost the plot, if they ever had it to begin with, we are a product of consumerism and have become increasingly easy to manipulate by those in power.
Also unlike the Chinese people whom you write of so eloquently, WE all have something to lose, perhaps things of little value, baubles, ideologies even, but I think we are too soft and malleable to rise to the challenge to which you allude?
Socrates MacSporran says:
The deportations will continue, because London is in-charge. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Sturgeon, was Patel’s message.
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Lets say that wasn’t the case and she/her was in charge of immigration what would she do?
The message seems to be that she wouldn’t have any immigration policy and anyone who landed in Scotland would be able to stay.
Does this help or hinder the independence vote?
Difficult to know what people in Scotland feel about free movement of people from anywhere in the world being that immigration is a taboo subject and has been since Labour’s PC Brigade branded anyone expressing ‘unacceptable’ views on immigration as racists.
Breeks @ 10.35 .
* Hat tip * compadre .
Well done Josh Taylor on becoming Scotland’s first undisputed world boxing champion winning four world championship belts. Neither Sky Sports or BT Sports covered your history making fight, now that you’ve won your suddenly a British champion.
50% of Scots are basically gullible and thick. 40% simply don’t care about what is happening around them. 10% are extremely concerned about where the country is heading and who is supposedly leading them there.
The most worrying aspect about it all is that the latter percentage is decreasing by the day.
The rich get richer and the poor get poorer-it is the way of the world and nothing will change this.
@Ruby
The obvious answer is that people from other parts of the world, especially if they have arrived and stayed by unconventional means, if given a place in the democratic process will nearly always vote for the least nationalist parties.
As you probably know that’s why its happening.
The difficult part is telling the hysterical bleeding hearts or the middle class university educated White Knights for the Oppressed. They are too busy bathing in their own moral righteousness to see this for what it is.
The Scots, as well as many others including the English, are being disenfranchised from their homelands by international hyper wealthy criminals working through NGO’s, charities and utterly immoral politicians.
But like the trans rights issue there’s no telling them til its too late. They are too good and righteous and certainly won’t want to reinforce any of those evil right wing talking points.
They’d rather have their heads up their arse while their own people (always the poorer ones) continue to drown in one globalist funded and guided crises after another.
This is why the leadership of the current Scottish Independence movement has failed and will continue to fail. They have become largely separated from ordinary working people and more represent the ideology and concerns of the more sheltered middle class.
Which is why talking about ANY issue that affects working Scots is taboo including immigration and the LGBT shite that virtually no working Scot gives a single fuck about.
If anyone who has a couple of properties or maybe an couple of extra rooms takes offense at this then why don’t you do your bit and put up some needy 3rd world family? No – its much better if they are housed in places that our own people need and get benefits that our own people can’t get, while helped into jobs our own people can’t find while you talk with your clueless chums about the need for equality and harmony.
“According to the Times, James Wolffe QC and the solicitor general, Alison Di Rolla QC, are to leave office in a matter of days.
Wolffe will surely know where the bodies are buried, it will be interesting to see if he’s bumped up to a High court judge, or if he’ll do a Dominic Cummings and threaten to spill the beans.
J.o.e @ 11.29 .
Agreed . I made a comment to that effect a while back here .
The policy of placing large numbers of – by most standards , poor immigrants amongst native equivalents often struggling to keep their heads above economic waters is fraught with dangers and rarely manifests in harmonious co-existence : as you infer …..is it meant to , or , rather , the opposite ?
And , yes , good suggestion ie will those who advocate these policies step-up and make any kind of sacrifice to honour their – alleged – commitment ? Na , thought not .
Anyone with basic common decency feels sympathy for people driven from their homes and countries either by sheer economic necessity or the ravages of war , and refuge should be offered to genuine cases : unrestricted access for all is a disaster in the making and , again as you say , will fall on the heads of those already in need of support and most vulnerable to exploitation .
@Republicofscotland – there’s not many times I agree with you but, on this occassion, I’m with you.
It makes me wonder whether this has been a move made by the legal profession themselves; to distance themselves from what they see as a needlessly incestuous entanglement.
In this inceasingly crappy wee country, I expect him to retire early with an OBE.
The promotion of Wolfe that of a High Court judge will display without any doubt how rotten and corrupt the justice system is in Scotland.
But Scotland has more than a rotten Judiciary. Institutional corruption and bias runs criminally through the police, senior civil servants and the government.
People really do need to take a shake to themselves and the corruption that surrounds them. Promoting the likes the Lord Advocate James Wolfe to a High Court judge or any similar position shows that after the huge concerns about the failed Salmond prosecutions.
And if they don’t promote him, then as someone previously said, he could do a Dominic Cummings and expose the First Minister.
Mind you, there are anecdotal reports of personal scandal surrounding Wolfe and aside of his partisan head of the COPFS. Maybe we shall find out.
@Robert Hughes
One thing that makes me almost violent is watching some working person, or someone living on benefits, who has been let down by the education system and forgotten by their nation struggling to properly express their concerns and their troubles in the face of ‘educated’ liberal scum who freely utilise false, often media derived, talking points and shame tactics to shut them down.
The types of people who are most affected by the ‘liberal’ outlook are the ones least equipped to argue their corner and are treated like thick, unthinking bigots with no basis for their concerns
It fucking enrages me.
Additionally to what I just wrote – the worst part is those same characters will also pretend to be a champion of those same poorer people. It would make you puke.
@Willie
I’ve long been of the opinion that Kompromat is in plentiful supply where the heads of certain institutions in Scotland are concerned, and those who wield real power, from outwith Scotland, know exactly whose strings to pull to achieve their desired results.
J.o.e @ 12.12 + 12.16 . 100% . That inarticulate rage and confusion at what’s being done around them , with zero consultation/consideration of THEIR needs is the perfect breeding-ground for fascist or crypto-fascist ideologies
James che is a fanny. Scottish speak for a troll. Awe that pish for not spelling right.
akenaton says:
23 May, 2021 at 10:51 am
…, but I think we are too soft and malleable to rise to the challenge to which you allude.
I really don’t know. That’s not a simple question to answer.
That Chinese welder we found is forever etched in mind because he didn’t have any goggles or mask for doing his welding. He was just young, in his 20’s, but eyes must have been totally wrecked by the arc. I’ve never wished so hard to have had a pair of welding goggles in my pocket just to give the fella.
Are we ‘softer’ because we’re more dependent on Health and Safety Regs and safety equipment? In some ways maybe we are, but you’re no good to anybody as a blind welder.
I think there’s a notion we’re soft because there’s nothing to push us, no challenge to inspire us nor adversity to test us. Scotland is a nation with a great engine, but these days, it’s merely running on idle.
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Breeks at 10.35 23/5/2021.
Thank you for that first rate essay.
Cheered me right up, and others too I’ll wager.
I paraphrase, but you mention Scotland having the positive vision it needs to become independent. Two words came to mind. The painter and author needed for that vision to be made real…
Alex Salmond
I know this to be the answer because the full MIGHT and focus of the British Empire were focused upon the destruction of this one human being.
Destroy the man’s reputation and you kill off his voice.
Indeed the corrupt ugly dark souled Linda Evans type may think they lost a battle by failing in their fake rape allegations to have an innocent man jailed for life. But as we see the triumphant Sturgeon The Betrayer sack David Wolffe and replace him with one of her Woke puppets (one that doesn’t drop the ball like calamity Wolffe), they haven’t quite extinguished the flame.
I don’t think Alex Salmond is that easily erased from history.
Yes they have tried at great cost to the taxpayer to destroy Alex Salmond’s reputation and God knows what cost to the man himself.
Breeks you are onto something. I have yet to hear Alex Salmond go negative. That chimes with everything you posted at 10.35 this morning.
Bonnie Dundee ain’t finished yet. I reckon when, eventually the nation looks up from it’s Covid woes and efforts to keep the job, the roof over their heads and the weans fed, I reckon we are in for one helluva repeat of exactly what happened in the days, weeks and months following IndyRef1 18-9-2014.
Back then when Scotland realised it had been done up like a kipper, masses, BiG masses of people joined the SNP.
There is nothing more thrawn than a pissed-off Scot who finds a liar has fucked him or her over.
So WHEN eventually Nicola The Betrayer is found out, there will be a backlash bigger than many a tsunami.
Breeks I KNOW this will happen. I KNOW Scotland will become a decent, Independent nation. I just hope the older ones of us here are still about to see it.
Thanks for the cheer-up Breeks. You are helping keep the Wings torch lit.
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P.S. Thanks to whoever it was on this thread who termed the phrase: “Nicola The Betrayer”
Why?
Well, if you Google the phrase Nicola The Betrayer those amazing wee Google bots take you to a certain website with an article that shall end up with the highest ever viewing figures on that website. The reason is Nicola The Betrayer will become a thing: a phrase in BTL discourse, the words on articles, the paint on banners.
So in the near future when the penny eventually drops that Nicola squandered FIVE opportunities for IndyRef2 and has squandered the SIXTH mandate given to her earlier this month, the TIDE WILL TURN.
Nicola’s coat is already on a shoogly peg. It took the MIGHT of the State Broadcaster and State media to suborn the legitimate vote by enforcing a media blackout on the Alba Party.
With social media rising and state media delclining then that dam ain’t holding forever.
Aye, today’s been good. A stoater of a post from Breeks and a cracker of an internet signpost from whoever coined the phrase: Nicola The Betrayer.
Wings ain’t dead yet. Just sleeping whilst the skipper takes a very, very well earned break.
Breeks says:
23 May, 2021 at 10:35 am
You say Scottish Navy, they see Scottish motor boat bought second hand.
You say Scottish Army, they see TA duffers running into battle without frontline tech.
I did a fair bit of thinking about a defence force in 2014 and the run-up, and decided that that would suffice; why would we need an offensive force? While they were at it, they could provide helicopters and pilots for air/sea/mountain rescue and do a lot of the coastguard stuff, too.
They love China as the best nation in the world, and that’s how I want to feel about Scotland.
Agreed; it’s about contentment with your situation rather than being competitive about Best Nation, I think.
…and I firmly believe it’s been such a very looooong time since Scotland was truly enthusiastic about anything…
1978, I think…!
Captain Yossarian.
Wolffe’s wife is a High Court judge, and she herself is no stranger to controversy, as you’ll see here, as was his predecessor Frank Mullholland, who was also bumped up to a High Court judge.
link to twitter.com
Whoever is Wolffe’s successor, mustn’t be allowed to sit on Sturgeon the Betrayers cabinet, the judiciary and the COPFS should be separate from daily workings of the Scottish governments cabinet, if not, as has happened already lead to collusion.
Breeks
I had took notice of this yesterday, and started researching it,
Some of those titled names have followed through from the treaty of the union signitures when you read whom has held what positions over the years.
It is the secrets of deeper control of Scotland running what seems to be hollyrude.
Even offered the keys.
We kid ourselves that hollyrude will ever separate from the narrative of Westminster. Into independence,
I am still of the opinion that we have a right to chose our government.
I am pretty sure it does not say, the sovereign people of Scotland only can pick one from the deck of cards that England government holds out in front of us.
That is restricted selection,
Not the choice to the right of self determination and never would provide independence to the Scottish people, it’s a stamp all over British flag cover up from hollyrude and the general Assembly.
Seeing it for what it is it makes you realise this is never going to happen through a devolved parliament,
We can pretend that we reconvened our original parliament,
But if it was true, why are England’s Titled running it. Assembly and parliament under the elite.
Sell us a Scottish country and we will sell you a Scottish Parliament that is fake.
Andy Ellis,
I’m not sure if Wickr is still a viable option. The free tier is only available for up to 10 users, wickr.com/product-tiers/
I think they originally envisaged themselves as a mass communications platform but pivoted to secure enterprise/military communications.
There’s not much apparent activity on the pages that host their public repositories github.com/WickrInc but given the content on their web site I’d say that all the new stuff is behind built behind closed doors.
Here are the search results from a site where I have faith in the veracity of the comments, link to hn.algolia.com. Most of the submitted articles are from a while ago (5-7 years) and not much has happened since which supports the idea that if they are still viable then it’s big business and the military they are after.
This is an excellent article and it shows what a dark and dangerous road Scotland is taking under the tenure of Sturgeon the Betrayer.
link to denisefindlay.org
@Republicofscotland – I’m shocked by that. Speechless that that could happen here. Not only the mallicious prosecution, but the fact that the case was being heard by the wife of one of those accused. When you don’t read stuff like this in the press, then you know the Scottish press has been got-at.
Someone above…
The ‘Great’ prefix is merely a shortening of Greater (Britain), the name given by the Romans to the largest ‘British ‘ island. (Inc. Eire)
@Republicofscotland – one last thing; I read that 70% of Scottish lawyers want the Lord Advocate removed from Government. He is seen even by them as a fixer. John Swinney was able to redact documents with impunity when the Lord Advocate was around. Best remove him for the good of the public.
So the UK received no points in the Eurovision Song Contest, I suppose after the debacle that was Brexit the UK is somewhat despised within the EU.
Even more astonishing is the inclusion of the murderous occupying, oppressive, apartheid, military regime known as Israel in the tournament, its not European let alone a legitimate country.
Republicofscotland says:
23 May, 2021 at 1:57 pm
Quote:- “Even more astonishing is the inclusion of the murderous occupying, oppressive, apartheid, military regime known as Israel in the tournament, its not European let alone a legitimate country.”
Now then, take a couple of steps back and reconsider your love of the EU…
” one last thing; I read that 70% of Scottish lawyers want the Lord Advocate removed from Government.”
Captain Yossarian.
This is from my 1.32pm link.
“In 2005 the UK parliament passed the Constitutional Reform Act which ensures separation of powers in the UK. But Scotland was not included and Scotland still lacks the separation as the head of the judiciary – the Lord Advocate – sits in cabinet and is part of the executive. This gives rise to the possibility of the executive using the law to for its’ own political benefit, such as hiding executive wrong doing or to the possibility of the executive carrying out political prosecutions.”
Reading Breeks post made me think about something I was going to post a while back.
So I’m a bit of a fan of Scandinoir for reasons not always connected to plotlines and dramatic tension. I find Scandinavians somewhat similar to us as people but then having met Danes, Norwegians, Swedes and Finns in my travels, it’s been interesting to see many of them make the comparison too. Watching the Icelandic thriller Trapped recently, I was amazed to discover one of the villages where it’s set is on the North coast of Iceland. This somewhat inhospitable setting, certainly as we would understand it, currently has a population of 1,200 people and in the 1950s had 3000 inhabitants. Tromsø in northern Norway has 65,000 inhabitants and rather than losing population is a fast-growing town. If you look at arctic Russia, you have even larger populations in Murmansk and Norilsk, and South of the arctic circle but cold AF we find Yakutsk (built on permafrost). These three ‘baltic’ cities have hundreds of thousands of inhabitants.
The point is northerly compass points do not have to signify both desolation and lack of population. People talk about Scotland’s ‘central belt’ as if it’s a fact of our natural history…as if Scots were naturally drawn to two large cities barely 50 miles apart like nesting birds.
If you look at puir auld Scotland’s northern counties you see barely 100,000 people in the whole of Caithness, Sutherland, and Ross and Cromarty. Surely in an independent Scotland, this would change dramatically within twenty or thirty years. The energy waiting to burst out come independence would be unstoppable.
This fucking awful union has created our desolation and sells it back to us on the BBC as wilderness, as a getting away from it all spiritual adventure, as natural obstacle courses (bag that Munro now!), as places where fucking bears, wolves, lynxes (and probably the fucking Dodo next) need re-introduction.
The whole of Scotland should flourish after independence and it doesn’t need billionaires foisting casinos on small northern communities like we’re the next fucking Macau!
I feel better after that…
Republicofscotland – and David Davis said exactly that when stood-up in the HoC. I wonder though…our legal profession was always one of the best in the world and students have always come here to study law. There are many lawyers around who want these roles separated, as they already do in the rest of the UK.
Shocked says:
23 May, 2021 at 7:38 am
Quite:-
“Misses the point that the biggest threat to Scottish farming are Irish imports.
We import more beef from Ireland than the entire Scottish beef production.
A lot of beef that comes from Ireland isn’t even Irish, it’s polish or Romanian raised in substandard conditions.
Queen Nicola would quite happily destroy the country to feed her vanity.”
See, that’s the problem about FACTS on here.
They have fit the narrative.
Take AS.
An innocent man who has been severely wronged by the SNP establishment. He is not alone.
The fact that he is also TOXIC to the majority of the Scottish people was a FACT that was ignored by many on here.
And where did it get us?
Absolutely Nowhere.
PhilM says:
23 May, 2021 at 2:11 pm
Quote:-“Reading Breeks post made me think about something I was going to post a while back.
So I’m a bit of a fan of Scandinoir for reasons not always connected to plotlines and dramatic tension. I find Scandinavians somewhat similar to us as people but then having met Danes, Norwegians, Swedes and Finns in my travels, it’s been interesting to see many of them make the comparison too. Watching the Icelandic thriller Trapped recently, I was amazed to discover one of the villages where it’s set is on the North coast of Iceland. This somewhat inhospitable setting, certainly as we would understand it, currently has a population of 1,200 people and in the 1950s had 3000 inhabitants. Tromsø in northern Norway has 65,000 inhabitants and rather than losing population is a fast-growing town. If you look at arctic Russia, you have even larger populations in Murmansk and Norilsk, and South of the arctic circle but cold AF we find Yakutsk (built on permafrost). These three ‘baltic’ cities have hundreds of thousands of inhabitants.
The point is northerly compass points do not have to signify both desolation and lack of population. People talk about Scotland’s ‘central belt’ as if it’s a fact of our natural history…as if Scots were naturally drawn to two large cities barely 50 miles apart like nesting birds.
If you look at puir auld Scotland’s northern counties you see barely 100,000 people in the whole of Caithness, Sutherland, and Ross and Cromarty. Surely in an independent Scotland, this would change dramatically within twenty or thirty years. The energy waiting to burst out come independence would be unstoppable.
This fucking awful union has created our desolation and sells it back to us on the BBC as wilderness, as a getting away from it all spiritual adventure, as natural obstacle courses (bag that Munro now!), as places where fucking bears, wolves, lynxes (and probably the fucking Dodo next) need re-introduction.
The whole of Scotland should flourish after independence and it doesn’t need billionaires foisting casinos on small northern communities like we’re the next fucking Macau!
I feel better after that…”
What are the suicide rates in these Northern Nirvanas BTW?
See, some of us have actually BEEN to these places and the reality is somewhat different to your rose tinted outlook.
There is a reason the Norwegians burn lights “everywhere” 24/7 during the long black winters…
Hugh jarse.
Propaganda was used in roman times just as it is today,
The Romans’ did not include Scotland, they built not one, but two great big walls separating “The Britain” you speak about.
Tacitus claimed lots of things as a reporter, but wether any of them were true has yet to be proved with regards to most of Scotland,
The spin he put on Calgacus speech is a good example. Supposedly he was sitting beside him in (the enemy’s ) camp and heard every word he said. As the Scottish clans and tribes did not have microphones in those days,
In reality if he was that close he would have been a hostage or prisoner to the calidonians in no time.
And the great battle of Mons Graupius that was supposed to have subdued all of Scotland remains as elusive as stardust.
Tacitus was biased to an extreme as he was the son in law of Agricola, the man whom was supposed to have conquer Britain as a whole country,
But none of the Romans even drew a decent map of how the land of Scotland was attached to England,
They had flurries of attacks ,yes. They had some small forts that were not permanent in Scotland, yes,
But no evidence of permanence or ever ruling Scotland as part of Britain like they did England,
I love history, and actually do metal detecting, I have found evidence from Pictish to present day finds in coins and tools, that sit in the museum but in my area of Scotland, NOT one roman coin or tool, brooch or bead,
Further down Scotland and closer you get to the walls there is evidence of temporary forts and scurries into Scotland but not here. Every bit of history points to them never subduing the all the Scots. Your Britain was halved by the Romans themselves. Scotland remained separate in their minds.
wee monkey says:
23 May, 2021 at 2:18 pm
The fact that he is also TOXIC to the majority of the Scottish people was a FACT that was ignored by many on here…
Where lies the bigger danger to us Wee monkey? Our enemies who gratuitously and falsely smear and malign Alex Salmond to discredit him, or those of us who accept that orchestrated conspiracy as fact, and concede defeat to the enemy’s disinformation despite all the time knowing it’s untrue?
I’ll stand by Alex Salmond the way Alex Salmond has always stood by Scotland, come rain, hail or shine.
If you’re worried about toxicity, my advice would be to stop swallowing it.
Shocked.
Yes I do say without doubt that many people in England see themselves superior to
other nations.
One of those nations is the one I belong to, Scotland.
The English have been brought up with stories of defeating the French, the Germans and
countries with lesser armies right across the globe.
Try explaining to most Englishmen that Britain was being well beaten by Germany and Japan in the 1940’s. If Russia hadn’t stated in the war even with 26 million dead the German Western Front
soldiers would have been marching through London.
If America had stayed out or was unwilling for Britain to take on massive debts for their resources
the war would have ended years later.
Sure Brits were brave and enduring and credit for that but without other nations they were beaten.
The old soldiers who say they won find themselves with pensions a fraction of those in Germany.
They see free travel and TV licences being removed from them.
The disabled from active service see themselves in homes ran by charities like Erskine.
It was the English Tory attitude to other nations that deliver Nil Point.
Incidentally, over my years my family has had well loved African American, Indian and Arab members as well as Irish and Swiss/German.
Never have stood by and accepted racism or bigotry.
I would never accept that I’m not equal with anyone
I will attack a near nation who use stop and search for Blacks in the main
who have a National Front Party a Brexit Party a heralded Prime Minister who
insults by calling out ethnic minorities as having watermelon smiles or who
look like letterboxes and Scots as a verminous race.
Shocked says:
23 May, 2021 at 10:39 am
@dan
UK standards are higher than EU standards for a whole range of agri products. Many practices carried out on the continent are illegal in the UK.
Name them.
An are you talking about UK standards now, or after deregulation?
Politicians are our tools. Some of them may even pass as some sort of leader for a time.
Im not a fan of cross dressers but if one was making all the points i wanted made and was building a reputation for ability and integrity id support them politically.
Also if a beautiful Scottish woman who has all the the visual and personality characteristics that could be tied to best of the Scottish people was in the competition but basically didn’t offer much past the status quo id not consider her.
The personal bullshit people bring to their political decisions is childish beyond belief and it makes them very open to manipulation.
Cast an eye to the politics in the US right now and you see a bunch of eye candy women saying exactly the kind of things the dumb majority of the MAGA crowd want to hear. All of them pro Israel by sheer cohencidence, as is the heritage of 80% of Bidens top picks. Its so obvious its almost comedy.
Get a middle aged bloke asking the right questions and pointing out unpleasant facts however and even if anything he says does get through the MSM net he simply won’t appeal to the base animal level thinking of the mob.
America always does scrape the bottom of the barrel for class but even here politics is not much more than a fucking punch and judy show with discourse kept within the limits that an uninformed, uninspired and intellectually lazy public can handle.
Right now places like WOS and anywhere else that expands minds and challenges official narratives (UK Column also) is more important than the vast, vast majority of politicians.
Republicofscotland says on 23 May, 2021 at 11:39 am
““According to the Times, James Wolffe QC and the solicitor general, Alison Di Rolla QC, are to leave office in a matter of days.
Wolffe will surely know where the bodies are buried, it will be interesting to see if he’s bumped up to a High court judge, or if he’ll do a Dominic Cummings and threaten to spill the beans.”
I think it’s probably more a case of I’m a Legal-Eagle Get Me Out of Here. No longer wishing to be associated with the rancid corruption that is Sturgeons Nasty Party.
Breeks , I’ll stand with both you and Alex Salmond.
J.O.E . you are dead right politicians are indeed tools.
Stuart MacKay says on 23 May, 2021 at 9:41 am: Republicofscotland
“I agree about AUOB about being clap-happy but that’s the reason it’s successful. It’s more along the lines of a St. Patrick’s Day parade or Gay Pride march. If it becomes more confrontational then that’s the day…..a lot of people decide that in future a march might be the start of trouble and decide not to go again.”
“You could still make it political and still keep it fun – a parade of carrots, or a cohort of women dressed as Suffragettes.”
LOVE IT! How about combining both suggestions. An AUOB parade led by a couple of rows of real women dressed as Suffragettes carrying bamboo fishing canes dangling carrots ahead of them? Carrying them in much the same way parade flag-carriers hold their flagpoles.
That would make a very strong & funny point. Not everyone would get it but that’s a good thing, it will force some to ask “what’s that all about?” Giving others ample opportunity to explain exactly what Sturgeon & Co are doing, ie: driving their own hidden agendas at the expense of independence.
That last point is of extreme importance because i’m becoming even more concerned with each passing day that all this nonsense is going to put the frighteners up the horses regarding indy. Already see folk saying if this is what an indy Scotland is going to be like then no thanks. Sturgeon & Co must be held responsible.
@Stuart MacKay 1.32pm
I get where you’re coming from, but I *think* Wickr seems to get pretty good reviews in terms of security and performance in recent reviews I’ve read. I’m not sure it’s that much of an issue that it’s less popular or well known as a platform than (say) Signal or Telegram if it’s being used as a “default” alternative for a defined group of people?
The Nord VPN site seemed to rate it quite highly:
link to nordvpn.com
Beautiful oscarboy.
Obviously you were not born any where near Argyll or the time era I was, or you would have a good comprehension of reality and facts,
Maybe you’re not country born, or maybe your not a highlander, or maybe you have an English propaganda vision of remote parts of Scotland, or maybe you’re not even Scottish,
Either way you obviously have no idea about all of Scotland.
I have asked this a few times.
I wil ask you it, if you’re aware of the different old languages of true Scots not being just Gaelic What does the old Scottish word “Tint” mean ?
I do not think you are even in Scotland, you seem to have very little perception of the old ways of life that don’t come via MSM.
Stoker says: “I think it’s probably more a case of I’m a Legal-Eagle Get Me Out of Here. No longer wishing to be associated with the rancid corruption that is Sturgeons Nasty Party.”
Couldn’t agree more. All lawyers should just get back to what they are good at, which is public protection. Leave all the amateur stuff behind.
Bute House Porn vid (1 min)
link to youtube.com
There’s been a tweet…
Yet another episode in the Destiny of Spear series…
Twitter account in lockdown (as per usual) after Hate Speech gaff. No doubt the five O are on their way to have stern words…
link to twitter.com
“I think it’s probably more a case of I’m a Legal-Eagle Get Me Out of Here. No longer wishing to be associated with the rancid corruption that is Sturgeons Nasty Party.”
Stoker @3.3pm.
Its a bit late for that I think, Wolffe has already damaged his credibility within the legal circles, with regards to the Sturgeon debacle, and his legal council on producing evidence required by the committee.
Sensible Dave,
The Scottish people have never been asked to join in the treaty of the union in the whole of history.
And we cannot be asked if we want to remain in something in 2014 if we were not asked the first question.
Show me the history facts, the millions of votes and dates when the Scottish people where asked to vote to join the treaty of the union, an then i will believe you.
James, I’ve always considered that the Romans did not think it worth there while trying to conquer Northern Scotland as there was nothing of any value there. A cold wet barren country inhabited by warring tribes. The walls would presumably have been erected to dissuade raiding parties intent on driving off as much livestock as they could.
The Romans wirnae daft, they knew ye couldnae steal the breeks aff a hielan’man.
@Dan says:
23 May, 2021 at 5:00 pm
There’s been a tweet…
“Yet another episode in the Destiny of Spear series…”
I believe a box set is on the way…
Has sturgeon morphed into Randolph Reinhard as she appears more and more to be emulating his stupidity , or are we in Scotland destined to be governed by moronic imbeciles (rhetorical question)
Resignation of Wolffe is massive.
MASSIVE.
A good opportunity to re-set the separation of powers doctrine…..or to ignore it once again.
link to bbc.co.uk
TNS2019 says:
23 May, 2021 at 6:21 pm
Resignation of Wolffe is massive
Who is going to replace him though – who will be in the running?
Lady Dorrian QC, Roddy Dunlop QC?
James Wolffe was the old Dean of the Faculty of Advocates; the present Dean is Roddy Dunlop I believe. He always struck me as an honest lawyer and I would doubt if he would touch this with a bargepole. Redactor pens are not his thing.
Lady Dorrian I’m not so sure about.
If there is a new appointment, I think it will get worse and the public perception of lawyers, which is already pretty low, will reach even lower.
Akenaton
Archaeology in Scotland is a neglected discipline, among many alas. However, what has been done indicates the Romans went further north than previously believed. The «king» of Orkney had a link with Rome secured possibly by treaty. Orkney had a sophisticated culture rather older than Rome itself.
link to bjuniornewblog.blogspot.com
It must be remembered that Scottish history is often viewed through the prism of OxBridge academic prejudice and hubris.
Scots need to start caring about who interprets their past.
Scots need to start caring…period.
“the present Dean is Roddy Dunlop I believe.”
Captain Yossarian.
One of Dunlop’s previous appointments was as Standing Junior Counsel to the Scottish Government (2008-2010). What that entailed I’m not sure.
link to advocates.org.uk
@Effigy – 23 May, 2021 at 8:23 am
It’s called Great Britain because it’s the largest of the British Isles.
A simple and logical geographical description has been morphed by you into a rant against BoJo and the evil, colonialist, oppressors down south.
Just how far up your own bahookie do you have to be in order to get so warped?
On the Faculty of Advocates, the Dunlop’s all three of them (whether or not they’re related or not I don’t know) are quite prominent within the Faculty.
link to advocates.org.uk
I also think all advocates (well most any way) look favourably on Sturgeon as she refused to return Parliament House, near St Giles’ Cathedral, back to Edinburgh city council, the noted building was part gifted to the Faculty, and the city wanted it back, but Sturgeon the Betrayer, refused to commit to giving the 17th century building back to the city.
@ J.o.e – 23 May, 2021 at 11:29 am
A good post, bang on the money.
As somebody famous once said, those who wish us ill are using our own best intentions as the weapons to destroy us.
Charity begins at home? Not if the virtue-signalling elites and their po-faced PC useful idiots have anything to do with it.
The British Queens is coming to Scotland to spread Amoré for all who will listen, she be traveling on the Great British railway to say how much Scotland has help her and her family.
Good to see Saul Goodman in there, thus raising the credentials of the SG Ethics Committee.
link to twitter.com
TNS19@6.21
I thought it was Massive when I first heard that Wolfe was standing down but not so sure now!
Seems he informed the FM that he would be going after the election so she’s has known for a while. I think the other resignation Ms Di Rollo is more unexpected.
Who will replace them? That is the crucial thing now – if Scottish Justice and Law is to regain a good reputation.
Sadly Ms. Cherry will not be given either position much to our loss.
How about Ms. Passportnikov? Nicola owes her a favour!
If Wolffe goes, will Swinney get protection?
If justice is restored (OK – it’s a long shot), Swinney is a dead man walking.
link to tns2019.org
Dan says:
23 May, 2021 at 5:00 pm
Yet another episode in the Destiny of Spear series…
I wonder if she believes in the westworld?
Dear Nicola, can we get a new Lord Advocate who actually knows that failing to comply with a search warrant is obstruction of Justice. Thanks.
So its pretty quiet just now and something has been on my mind for the last 3 or 4 months. I get pretty passionate about some things but there is one issue that goes beyond anything ive ever considered, or imagined i’d ever have to consider. It’s a looming issue that is set to decide the course of our civilization, it sets that much of a precedent. Its bigger than even the GRA by far. So im wondering if there is anyone else who has come to the somber conclusion that ‘vaccine passports’ is the hill they will die on?
The fact that its taken this long for me to come to a solid limit like this is indicative of my own cowardliness. I should have reached it the minute the intention to stick these ‘vaccines’ in children was announced.
But here I am. Anyone else on the same thought process?
With regard to outside influence on Scottish elites, both political and legal, as well as in the police, why do we tend to think only of Westminster? Besides Westminster, what about the USA? And it’s not just outside influence, but family connections, sometimes what might be quite interesting ones.
Someone above mentioned Scotland being traditionally a great place for people coming from abroad (including the USA) to study law. Is that maybe how, when young and no doubt handsome, the currently resigning Wolffe met his friend, the Lady judge of the same name? What about people who sit temporarily on the Holyrood benches, like Adam Tomkins? Anyone ever hear the rumour that there were people with American voices rummaging around in the rubble of the bombed-out plane that fell on Lockerbie all these many moons ago (presumably looking for something they wanted to remove).
I don’t want to encourage conspiracy theories, of course. Just saying that it’s surely a bit naive to think that London stands alone in wanting to destroy Scottish independence, and wreck the life and career of anyone who looks as if he has a half-decent chance of achieving it.
The nuclear arsenal on the Clyde isn’t actually Britain’s; it really belongs to the USA, doesn’t it? Or am I wrong in thinking that no British government can actually use these atrocious weapons unless the USA gives them the go-ahead to do so? Come to think of it, does that mean their being ‘British’ weapons, allowing Britain to ‘punch above her weight’ in international affairs (as the novel-writing Douglas Hurd once said), is really just a front that US administrations allow the UK to put up because it suits their purposes as much as it does London’s?
Could it be that the aim is to make the world think the UK is an independent nuclear power, so as to divert attention from the fact that it’s actually the USA that calls all the shots? No one says it, but maybe the governments and diplomats belonging to the rest of the world know that the UK really just a nuclear puppet state of the USA? If that is true, Scotland’s problem is not that she is too wee or insignificant. To the contrary, she is far too important, both strategically and geographically, and militarily, for the likes of the USA not to take a very real and much too close interest in her.
When the Queen or someone said something to the effect that there are dark and deep forces at work in ‘this country’ that it would be better not to know about, she presumably meant the whole of the UK. But it might be particularly true of Scotland. Are there not very many strange things operating under the surface that we just don’t know about, and which are continually hushed up, blacked out and redacted.
James Wolffe might not be the redactor-in-chief after all (and John Swiney neither). In the great scheme of things, maybe he is just a minor bit player instead. Will it not be next stop the House of Lords for him? The problem will be who replaces him – imagine getting someone even worse.
To be fair to Sarwar, even he was talking today about the obvious need for a separation of powers. The BBC news website indicated that even Wolffe’s predecessors held the same (conflict of interest) double role that he did, so as to let the gullible believe that this had always been the case, without referring to the fact that it was not so in Alex Salmond’s time, when he was First Minister. AS saw the flaw, and very deliberately got rid of it. NS saw it too, and realised she could use it marvellously to her own advantage, and therefore brought it back.
I can’t see her squandering these advantages with whoever she appoints as Wolffe’s successor. Someone compliant will be more than ever needed, in order to cover-up the cover-up, and redact even further and deeper the redactions (it must cost a fortune just in spilt ink).
Wouldn’t it be nice if she messed it up and misread someone for a puppet who turns out instead to be a real and honest human being? Like England’s Henry II did when he appointed his presumed friend Thomas Becket as Archbishop of Canterbury. Henry’s assumption was that Becket would always do his bidding, instead of which he did his new job properly, and turned the tables on him. So Henry had him murdered (Young Wee Nick might raise a cheer for that one), and turned him into the most popular, and most political, saint in Europe.
Including in Scotland (we were and are a European nation, after all). Thomas Becket was one of the saints to which Arbroath Abbey was formally dedicated. Bernard Linton was Robert Bruce’s Chancellor. The Arbroath Declaration had been attributed to Bernard’s pen, although other clerics have also been proposed by serious historians as more likely candidates for that honour. Nobody really knows, or will ever know, with certainty. Funnily enough, the word ‘redactor’ is often used in this context: who was the redactor of the Arbroath Declaration? That is, simply, who wrote it up?
Now, just imagine if our wee Nick thought she had found a suitably compliant ‘redactor’ to continue fulfilling wee Lordie James Wolffe’s role, and – to her horror – he turned out to be a new Bernard Linton or an Arbroath Declarer, or morphed into a 21st Century Thomas Becket?
It’s just a fantasy, of course – but wouldn’t we be in for a lot of fun?
By the way, just to finish, is anyone else having difficulty accessing the ALBA website? It doesn’t open for me. Or do you have to be on Facebook (a thing I will never join) in order to get in there?
There’s apparently a story about he arrest of David Llewellyn, but I can’t find anything using Google. Seems odd, as at least the charge should be public information. Anyone know anything?
Is he just another on the pro-indy list – like Craig Murray and Mark Hirst – that the establishment doesn’t like?
Just watch Craig Murray on the link provided above and was most impressed by his obvious sincerity.
Does anyone have a link to a donation portal?
@ Robert
Craig had this article about it a few days back in case you missed it.
link to craigmurray.org.uk
@Joe 9.13pm
No, vanishingly few I expect. Anti-vaxxers are the new flat-earthers and should be treated accordingly. It is also a concern limited to a relatively small proportion of credulous weirdos.
GRA on the other hand is an important issue with real impacts on civil liberties, women’s rights and equality which is an issue for a far larger proportion of the population than a-scientific anti-vaxxer agitprop.
Andy Ellis says:
23 May, 2021 at 9:58 pm
@Joe 9.13pm
No, vanishingly few I expect. Anti-vaxxers are the new flat-earthers and should be treated accordingly.
Well said Andy. Now can you put all this ‘anti Vax’ nonsense to rest once and for all by answering these questions
1. What trials have been undertaken to reveal the long term effects of any of these vaccines?
2. Who would be accountable in law for any bad effects when taken?
3 Does the vaccine give you immunity from COVID-19?
Many thanks in advance.
AE
I was thinking about this gender thing today and if its been mentioned before im sorry for the repetition. If as is being suggested that there will soon be no such thing as a biological woman, then doesn’t that mean the queen and the Virgin Mary by way of a tiny example will no longer be regarded as such. Shouldn’t the palace and church be notified of this or will it only apply to the plebs.
Always, always keep records.
Especially when dealing with untrustworthy people like John Swinney and the Scottish Government.
You never know when they may come in handy!
link to tns2019.org
@Andy Ellis – 23 May, 2021 at 9:58 pm
“Anti-vaxxers are the new flat-earthers”
Sorry to hear you take that attitude Andy. I had you down as one of the more rational ones.
All vaccines have side effects, hopefully minor. None of the Covid vaccines have been in use for long enough to allow assessment of what the long term side effects could be. Until perhaps 10 years have elapsed, the “flat earthers” are right to be wary.
It is a simple trade off. If you are young and in good health, the likely effect of Covid on you is negligible. And the likely effect of any emergent side effects is going to be life changing, because you are going to be taking the vaccines every 6 months for decades.
For older people, the reverse is true. Covid is potentially life threatening. You will be dead anyway of something or other before any long term side effect can strike you down.
The obvious conclusion is that of course, older people should get vaccinated. But younger people should delay until they get older, when the risk from Covid will outweigh the risk from the vaccine.
Which is surprise, surprise, exactly the policy followed for flu vaccinations right up to the winter of 2019-20.
Anyway, really hopefully, none of the many Covid vaccines will turn out to have long-term side effects. But it is entirely rational for young, healthy people to be sceptical until enough time has passed to verify that this is indeed the case.
akenaton says:
23 May, 2021 at “…I’ve always considered that the Romans did not think it worth there while trying to conquer Northern Scotland as there was nothing of any value there. A cold wet barren country inhabited by warring tribes..”
As opposed to? What? ‘Cumbria’. LOL
” No, vanishingly few I expect. Anti-vaxxers are the new flat-earthers and should be treated accordingly.”
Really Andy ?
I’d say it’s closer to the truth to say ” Anti-vaxxers ” is merely the latest ” Conspiracy Theorist ” * Variant * designed to ridicule and dismiss anything that questions the dominant narrative .
As I’ve said before ….I have no problem with vaccines in general , I had all mine as a kid , as did my son and would take one if required for foreign travel or another legitimate reason
What’s at issue here is not only the unprecedented speed with which these vaccines have been rushed to – let’s not forget – Market , the ambivalence of their efficacy in their stated purpose and the questionable necessity of mass-vaccination of , in particular , young healthy people .
It’s also about the limits of State power .
Do you agree people who refuse to comply should be penalised , or that citizen have the absolute right to decide what goes into their bodies ?
Oh effigy you crazy little guy you!
Dark room and whale song for you.
Breeks,
Rules relating to pigs and chickens for a start. Has always been the case that UK livestock regs are ahead of EU regs.
John Main @ 10.39
Didn’t see your post before posting my comment John .
Excuse the repetition of similar points
Wull, there is a great deal of truth in what you say as regards the UK-USA axis and the strategic importance of Scotland to both. In fact, it goes to the heart of the matter.
Shocked says:
23 May, 2021 at 10:49 pm
Breeks,
Rules relating to pigs and chickens for a start. Has always been the case that UK livestock regs are ahead of EU regs.
Name them.
The level of willful ignorance and blind compliance around ‘covid’ is astounding.
That there are adults, and possibly the majority of them, who can blindly go along with this while telling skeptics that they are ‘flat earthers’ because they are ‘anti-vax’ is perhaps the single biggest evidence I need that humanity is very much at a crisis point from which there may be no recovery.
The good news is Dr Reiner Fuellmich has now put forward the case his team was building against ‘fact checkers’ on the PCR test as a first step towards taking down the covid narrative.
These vaccines are still in the experimental stage. They have ‘temporary’ use authorisation only. To try to coerce or force anyone into taking these, like with vaccine passports, due to them still being in the experimental stage is actually a criminal offence and can be found in the Nuremburg code.
Breeks
I admire the loyalty you have shown Alex Salmond over the years.
But it really is time for you to face the cold hard facts regarding his political career.
Alex will never be the popular face of the independence movement in Scotland ever again.
For reasons we all know about, he has been branded a woman abuser. He has appeared in court for it, he has been called out by Sturgeon as a sex pest and even attempted rapist.
And I am afraid those very serious allegations have stuck hard.
The public at large probably didn’t even take notice of the verdict, Sturgeon wouldn’t let that happen.
When the Queen of Covid goes on primetime TV in the run up to an election and all but calls him a convicted rapist, you know your time’s up.
The Unionist opposition didn’t need to lift a finger to Salmond, Sturgeon done the damage for them
So, in my opinion, Salmond IS Toxic when it comes to Frontline Politics.
Every interview he held would be started off by being asked to apoligise to the women he molested. And on and on it would go, without the subject of independence ever being mentioned.
So we really do need a new face to lead the Indy cause.
And his Party (and mine), picking up 1% in the Polls just goes to prove the point I am trying to make.
I’m not here to make enemies with anyone, just facing the reality of the situation we are facing.
Alex as a backroom tutor would be a more suited roll for him.
James I suppose the Romans would have had to traverse Cumbria to get into Lowland Scotland?
There seems to have always been a few fat cats there.
Dave Somerville says:
24 May, 2021 at 7:23 am
And I am afraid those very serious allegations have stuck hard.
They’ve only “stuck hard” because of ignorant, easily led dopes like you, who accept the smears have foundation when you know they don’t.
Frankly, you inhabit no higher plain of existence than the conspirators who orchestrated the false smear against him. So don’t come here with your two faced pish about admiring my loyalty. Away and fuck off back under the stone you crawled out from.
Al Stuart. 12.51pm
“Wings ain’t dead yet. Just sleeping whilst the skipper takes a very, very well earned break.”
Jesus fuck man.
You remind me of Norman Bates in the movie
Psycho.
Like you, Bates refused to believe his mother was dead and continued to feed her and talk to her as she sat dead in her rocking chair upstairs.
Stu has put in over a decade of work trying to convince his fellow Scots that Independence was the best road to go down.
It didn’t work out, and the Polls were even going backwards the longer he stayed around.
It was no fault of the Rev’s, but the guy had had enough. Why should he face the threat of jail for a cause the majority of Scots are against?
So I’m afraid to break the bad news to you, but Wings really is DEAD. It is deseased, it is no more.
And like I said to Breeks, I am not here to make enemies, but there are a few contributors on here who need to take a good long hard reality check.
@ akenaton
The main route north from romes largest northern town in what is now England , at modern york , to the antonine wall would have been Dere street , running through what is now northumbria not cumbria.
Its funny listening to you brit nats and your ladybird book of brit nat history , with your “scotland was too wee too poor and too stupid 2000 years ago for the romans to even bother with.”
Stick to two world wars and one world cup mate.
Mr Somerville, do you trust the media of Scotland and the UK?
Most of us have learned that they are a duplicitous , manipulated and manipulative bunch.
Which means when they chose to blank ALBA and make sure Alex Salmond was heard but briefly , we all knew that instructions had been given to make sure his voice was not heard for fear of it being the rallying cry to which those who really want independence would respond.
For most , the fact that he was found innocent of all charges , should have been more than enough but the media continued the witch hunt and a wicked witch continued to bad mouth him at every opportunity. And there were those of course who fanned the no smoke without fire flames – and continue so to do.
It worries me that any of you gentleman could now have an accusing finger pointed at you by some malicious harridan and your recourse to justice is impeded by media reporting and /or no jury.
I truly fear for my country and the direction it is having forced upon it .
Breeks
Stop shooting the messengers.
It makes you look like someone who is out of touch with reality. Just because you get angry and shouty doesn’t make you correct.
I am not your enemy.
Nobody wants Independence more than me.
And I find your reply to me quite insulting.
For my opinions regarding Alex Salmond, I stand by every word I have wrote.
And as for the medium to long term I will be proven right.
For the short term, I’m afraid no one is hearing Alex, except a few punters like yourself. Alex is screaming into a force ten gale, no one can hear him
And I will say it again, I am not your enemy Breeks.
We need a brand new approach and a new face to lead us.
J.o.e
” Council of Europe, Resolution 2361, January 27, 2021:
7.3 with respect to ensuring high vaccine uptake:
7.3.1 ensure that citizens are informed that the vaccination is NOT mandatory and that no one is politically, socially, or otherwise pressured to get themselves vaccinated, if they do not wish to do so themselves;
7.3.2 ensure that no one is discriminated against for not having been vaccinated, due to possible health risks or not wanting to be vaccinated.”
So reviled old queen Lizzie, has secretly begun a charm offensive to keep Scotland tied to this awful onesided union, and Downing street is quietly backing it.
Lizzie has sent her grandson Willie and his wife to roam all over Scotland, like parasitic wasps on a tarantula, the two are tasked with changing Scottish public opinion on the union, from its on its way out, to one that its worth saving.
Old Lizzie purred like a cat in 2014 when yes lost, safe in the knowledge that she and hers could continue to fleece Scotland. I just hope the Scottish public aren’t gullible enough to fall for the charm offensive again by these vile parasites.
Specialist fire crew at Coulport and Faslane have been reduced to dangerous levels. Capita that runs the specialist crews have reduced them so much, that its thought if there’s a serious fire at the nuclear bases that the now skeleton crew couldn’t put it out.
This is happening thirty-miles from our biggest city.
It is reckoned by historians that less than 2% of Scotland’s mediaeval and pre mediaeval artefacts survived the predations of frequent English invasions and the culture cancelling activities of the Protestant Reformation.
Fortunately, some material exists in national and foreign collections from which Scotland’s history might be given substance. What has been lost can only be surmised from references in non Scottish sources. However discoveries are gradually being made.
Regarding the Romans southern Scotland is now held to have been a source of copper, lead, silver and possibly gold. It was partially Romanized as many liminal territories were in the Empire.
English history has tended to regard Hadrian’s wall as the border between barbarians and civilization. Evidence, although yet patchy, is suggestive of something more culturally «fuzzy».
Scotland, which once extended south into today’s modern England was not a land of hairy, wode painted savages, as much as «they» would like you to believe.
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
One cannot but help see the similarities between Belarus president Lukashenko and Scotland First Minister Nicola Sturgeon.
In the case of Lukashenko he used the powers of his state apparatus to divert and arrest a political blogger and political opponent.
In the case of Sturgeon she used the powers of her state apparatus to arrest and prosecute political opponents like Alex Salmond, Mark Hirst and Craig Murray.
With the end results exactly the same, albeit the Scottish exercise of power a little less criminally overt, one can see what happens when there is no sanction to restrict abusive state behaviour.
A few years back one could never ever in their wildest imagination twinned Scotland and Sturgeon with Belarus and Lukashenko.
link to thesun.co.uk
this comment, from Breeks at 7.41, is completely uncalled for. It’s just blind rage, hate even, and does nothing to advance any argument, and certainly nothing put forward by Breeks:
“So don’t come here with your two faced pish [ …]. Away and fuck off back under the stone you crawled out from”.
This kind of thing makes the Wings comments-only blog (for now anyway) an increasingly uncomfortable read. It’ll be interesting to see readership stats after a few more months of this.
Meanwhile, there is still some good ‘editorial’ out there, like this just out from Iain Lawson:
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
Perhaps the Rev should consider a weekly set of links across to other bloggers with interesting things to say, at least until normal Wings service resumes (if it does). Maybe on a Saturday, along with the Cairns cartoon. There must be stuff out there I and others never see, but would benefit from seeing.
It would give Wings readers some article-led focus again, so missed at the moment.
This clown still a liability and embarrassing us.
What you gonna do St Nic?
link to msn.com
willie says:
24 May, 2021 at 9:24 am
Let’s hope that it is the lawyers themselves that see where this is going and have elected to withdraw from government in Scotland.
@ Tom
This may interest you for various links of interest.
link to voices.scot
Andy Ellis. Very nice of you to dismiss people’s genuine concerns as weird and “flat Earth”. That seems your go to when you have no answer. You don’t think it suspicious that Google YouTube Twitter and MSM are censoring anyone who disagrees with the Government on “covid 19”. Why are you so gullible on this issue? How dare you repeat MSM tropes and Headlines calling that an argument and expext to be taken seriously.
I stopped commenting here a while ago because the Indepence movement are too enthralled to propaganda. You idiots will not listen. These gene therapy experiments called vaccines are on outrage against Humanity. If you want to subject yourself to medical experiments with no legal comeback if anything goes wrong then jump right in but leave the rest of us and our children out of it. Yes some of us on here do have young children. We’re not all frightened pensioners.
Go look up Dr Sam Bailey on YouTube and see if she’s a “flat Earther”
Being insulted by fools who don’t mind using Tabloid language when it suits you is a proper piss boiler.
Re Scotland’s history, it seems from Frazer’s ‘Golden Bough’ that cannibalism was common in Scotland.
And Black Agnes and Alexander Bean were in action until quite recently.
Seems that the impulse could be still extant.
Effigy spouts: “Never have stood by and accepted racism or bigotry.”
And then goes and promotes a direct link to right-wing BUM rag ‘The Sun’ at 9:28 am. Second only to The Daily Mail & The Express in its racist & bigoted views.
There’s absolutely no excuse for doing that, Effigy. Even if you are on your phone there’s nothing stopping you from posting a request for someone to archive a particular article for you.
And as i always say, no wonder we’re not independent if that’s a true indy supporter. Aiding & abetting the survival of a rag that played its part in destroying our 2014IndyRef. And a rag that continues to crap on Scotland’s future almost on a daily basis.
Eric Clapton was almost fucked up by the ” vaccine” and he is not happy about it. This site is full of Government shills who flatly refuse to give a fuck about legitimate fears over a rushed to market gene therapy experiment.
Why the fuck would you trust Matt Hancock as he moves the goalposts further and further away from us? Your fucking daft
Robert Hughes. I know a social worker who was told by her employers she is required to take vaccine for her job. She copied. Any other professionals out there with a similar story? Vaccine non compliance is being used to “other” a csaa of society.
Breeks
I have long held you in high esteem, as one of the best btl commenters on Wings; however, in your attack on Dave Somerville this morning, I fear you have “lost it”.
I must agree with Dave – sadly, Alex Salmond is now too-toxic to be front and centre for ALBA and the cause of Scottish Independence. They may not be fooling all of the people, all of the time, but, I feel, as regards Alex, the unholy alliance between the higher echelons of the SNP, the British Establishment, Scotland’s legal Establishment and the pro-Unionist media has succeeded in neutering him.
All those Not Guilty verdicts mean nothing to them – they have succeeded in convincing the majority of Scots that Alex is a bad man who got away with his crimes.
We know this is utter pish – some of the real villains in this tawdry case have been given life-time immunity and anonymity, others are riding around in government cars, but, they have succeeded in nullifying the greatest single threat to the UK Establishment and its very being.
ALBA should have Kenny McAskill, as their highest-profile figure other than Eck, leading the party, and should be searching high and low for the younger successor to take-on what looks like being a long battle to overhaul the SNP and become THE party of Independence.
Alex should be encouraged to write his memoirs, put down the truth about the stitch-up; set-out his vision for an Independent Scotland.
He also, still has a part to play as the behind the scenes brain of ALBA – find the golden policy which makes even the most-obedient SNP, pro-Sturgeon sheep, say: “Wait a minute, this is more what I want than what the SNP is offering me.”
Then, when it dawns on the masses – the SNP is not going to deliver Independence, ALBA’s day will have come.
Robert Hughes. Complied not copied
Willie. You do know to be careful of MSM stories? Don’t you?
Dave Somerville says:
24 May, 2021 at 8:16 am
And I will say it again, I am not your enemy Breeks.
You embrace the defamation of Alex Salmond while knowing the allegations against him are untrue. You ARE the enemy of Alex Salmond and an Independent Scotland, but just too dumb and easily played to realise it.
Sturgeon has the commanding position she does to wreck Scottish Independence because of dullards like you Dave Somerville. That makes you no friend of mine.
@pixywine & all the other flat earthers
Your concerns on this issue aren’t well founded tho’. You may feel they are genuine, but it doesn’t make them objectively correct, any more than those convinced by charlatans that the MMR vaccine caused autism. They may have been sincere and felt their concerns were genuine, but they were misled.
One YouTube Doctor isn’t the slam dunk proof you appear to think. The population in general will be guided by what the medical profession as a whole is saying. If that profession was – in general – supporting the views of sceptics they might have a point, but they just don’t. It’s the equivalent of three cast majority of qualified structural engineers saying a bridge was unsafe to use, but you insisting on continuing to use it because a small minority said it was fine and everyone else in the profession was wrong.
You and your ilk would presumably have been intensely relaxed if our hospitals had been overwhelmed and bodies had been piling high? You’re asking us to prioritise the rights of a selfish delusional minority hiding behind the fig leaf of civil liberties and ascientific “concerns” about vaccine side effects over the public good, the rights of the majority and the potentially much worse impacts of e.g. long Covid affecting more people than necessary because a minority of tin foil hat wearing vaccine refuseniks want to be able to go about their daily business without wearing masks, refusing to disclose if they’ve been vaccinated, or demanding that they be allowed to ignore any restrictions because their woo woo beliefs trump the scientific consensus?
If you don’t want to be taken for low voltage flat earthier, then don’t be one. It’s really not rocket science. You’re just the anti MMR jab nutters de nos jours. Years from now there will still be individuals like you insisting you were right, just as there are no doubt still parents insisting they were right about MMR.
link to theguardian.com
So this council leader is saying that the majority of people with covid in the hospital in question had the vaxx.
He also criticises the government for (once again) doing nothing to limit the spread to this country.
This parallels what I have been saying. Why in the honest fuck would you go out and get this crap and why would you accept tyranny in the name of ‘health security’ from a government who WILL NOT seriously attempt to stop spread to the country. Again.
@Andy Ellis
Sorry Andy. I stopped at ‘flat earthers’. Won’t read any further.
I’ll add that to ‘conspiracy theory’ to the list of shit I won’t take seriously.
Is this bickering the way forward?
The good Rev is the final arbiter in the resting place of Wings. If I may be so bold as to contribute to his deliberations with the following:
1] Wings is a powerful brand which has contributed greatly to many in pursuit of a new ‘enlightenment’. That brand has to be worth something.
2] ‘They’re dead’ was the alleged reaction of St Nicola of the Injunction to Alba’s election results. Add that to her continuing professional jealousy and/or fear of those more competent than she, and there has to be a case for continuing the buggeration factor.
3] It scares the shit out of the parliamentarian troughers.
@Pixywine & Robert Hughes
Answer me this then: if people providing care in hospitals or care homes are required to be vaccinated and refuse to comply, do you think their rights over-ride those of the patients in hospital or care home residents they attend? If they are “allowed” to refuse to comply in the case of Covid (presumably on civil liberties grounds?) then logically try would also be able to refuse to disclose or comply with any requirements for other transmissible diseases?
Good luck with that and explaining to the relatives of the people who die as a result that it was just the price that has to be paid for flat earthers feelz. Good grief. 🙁
Andy . I’ve said all I care to on the subject above and previously .
A little disappointed that someone whose comments I’ve always found worthy of respect now resorting to the full panoply of insults ” de nos jours ” .
I’ll leave it at this
You take the vaccine if you deem it best for you , as many times as you’re ” advised ” , but at least give others the respect of being able to choose for themselves what they consider to be in their best interests .
Akhenaton,
Sorry for late post from your comment yesterday,
So the Romans did want Scotland.
That’s funny. Says a lot about England mindset trying to hang on to it by hook or by crook,
Not as smart as people 2000 years ago.
Stoker.
I’d never buy a Sun newspaper.
I put the link in to let others see what Is in the media, to be aware.
With regard this archiving thing, I have no idea how that works.
I don’t use social media at all and maybe that why I’m not IT savvy.
How about we try to shoot down the lies and corruption of our enemies
and a bit less at each other.
@Robert Hughes 10.52am
I’m sorry you’re disappointed and to hear you’ve been taken in by what I regard as a false narrative. People will disagree about stuff. Such is life. No doubt there is much we are aligned on. I’m entitled to think you are mistaken, just as you are entitled to think I am. In the end, where we differ probably comes down to what happens in an assumed “conflict of rights” situation where society as a whole imposes restrictions relating to vaccine status.
Presumably you would take the view that individual’s rights should take primacy, whereas my view is that while it is important to take account of concerns and be as “light touch” as practicable in such situations of competing rights and responsibilities, there are and always will be situations where it is appropriate to have regulation available.
If you personally don’t want to get vaccinated then it is your choice. I think it is a wrong, ascientific and morally reprehensible choice, but I wouldn’t advocate you being forcibly vaccinated any more than I’d have forced parents to have their kids MMR vaccinated. I would however point out that you’re going to have to explain why you feel your rights should supervene the rights of others in this area.
For example, I refer you to my earlier question: what happens if the company providing carers to my 85 year old mother has an employee who refuses to be vaccinated? Do they simply accept that is their choice, or are they allowed to dismiss the employee if it is company policy that they must be vaccinated and regularly tested? Similarly would you accept that owners of shops, restaurants and places of business should be allowed to exclude those who refuse to be vaccinated or disclose their status?
If not, why do the rights of the non discloser take precedence over the patrons and staff of these places?
Socrates MacSporran
You don’t seriously believe the smearing will stop if MacAskill takes over from Salmond. Even if Salmond evaporated in a puff of smoke right now the relationship between Salmond and MacAskill will be used to smear MacAskill – two peas in a pod, eh?
It’s a proven tactic. It will get deployed whenever it’s required. Since Alba are likely to form a clear and present danger to the SNP then it will be applied again and again and again.
Stuart MacKay
I have absolutely no doubts, whoever becomes the face of ALBA, it will be open season on them for the Forces of Darkness. In the case of Kenny McAskill, I dare say all the shite around the release of Abdelbaset al-Megrahi will again be brought-up to smear Kenny.
For ALBA to have a chance to drag the current SNP back from its self-destructive course, will need something we seem unlikely to see any time soon – a genuinely pro-Independence media presence – and I don’t mean the National.
Socrates MacSporran: “as regards Alex, the unholy alliance between the higher echelons of the SNP, the British Establishment, Scotland’s legal Establishment and the pro-Unionist media has succeeded in neutering him.”
If all had gone according to plan, Alex Salmond would have been hanging from a tree in Strichen 18-months ago. As it is, he’s still marching and is heading back to Court sometime soon to pursue a case against Leslie Evans and we know he has James Wolffe in his sights too.
The mallicious prosecution case brought by the former Directors of Duff and Phellps could cost us all £100m. That brought the spotlight onto our COPFS, but didn’t do any real damage to James Wolffe. Maybe Alex Salmond’s case will do that.
There was a photograph put-out on Friday of the new Scottish Government Cabinet. At the top table was Sturgeon, Swinney, Wolffe and Evans. By the way, none of them had a note-pad in front of them and so presumably nothing was to be recorded.
Wolffe is already gone, but there may be more to go before the year is out.
There might be goings, after Cummings spews his best on Wednesday.
I assumed that the policy was herd immunity from what was said right at the start.
They were forced into lockdown.
@breeks
Battery cages, regulations around free range, pigs in tethers and stalls, that sort of thing, quite a few things.
I detect you aren’t wanting to face some truths that don’t fit the agenda.
@Stuart MacKay & Socrates MacSporran 11.24 & 11.32am
I think Alba members and supporters have to accept that we need to “let them be them”? The current SNP leadership will do what they do. We can hope that the rank and file membership rises up and effects change in policy and direction, but I wouldn’t bet the farm on it.
It’s pointless for us to try and “drag them back from their self destructive course” as Socrates puts it: they have to muck out their own stable. Alba doesn’t have to replace the SNP. We have 5 years in which to set up a party that attracts enough support to hold the balance. We should in my view forget about Westminster and concentrate on building up a base in local councils and for Holyrood elections in 2026. For Holyrood we should definitely target particular constituency seats, because we can’t depend on the SNP and Greens to see sense about maxing the Yes vote.
We can expect a steady trickle of disillusioned indy supporters to defect as they realise the SNP are coming up empty on #indyref2 and any other radical policies over the next 5 years. Neither the SNP or MSMs hostility and partiality is going to change, so we just have to live with it and do the work to bypass both. More and more people are going to twig that the SNP is illiberal, socially and economically gradualist rather than radical, and not likely to deliver.
We don’t need to replace them, we just need to be able to hold the balance. Game on.
Captain Yossarian
I cannot help but think, Wolffe has jumped while he has a chance of putting clear water between himself and those who will be caught in the wake of Alex Salmond’s case against Leslie Evans.
I would surmise, Evans’ defence will be: “As a civil servant, I can only do as instructed by the elected officers,” or to put it another way: “It was all Sturgeon’s doing. Anything I have done which might be wrong, well, I was only obeying orders.”
I dare say Wolffe will use the same excuse/defence. They will probably be rewarded by a wee billet in the House of Lords – Sturgeon, if not nailed sooner, will eventually, once she s no longer of use to the Establishment, be fed to the wolves.
I am a pensioner, but I am not scared. Many pensioners have come through the hardest and most difficult times, and still do, that the younger generation wouldn’t be even be able to imagine.
Reading it in books or watching MSM versions of our life and times does not bring a smile to our face, but derision. Often no where near reality.
On a slightly different topic but very noticeable.
The people whom are scared that Scotland should break away to gain independence are still here on this site, that tells us a lot.
They do not think they have subdued the Scots, they need to continue in their interference plodding on until they think the last bit of Scots spirit is broken.
No matter the topic spoken about on here there they are using antagonism as a weapon. Or ‘I am offended” as a back up To them losing a conversation.
We should be cheering they are still here trying to disrupt, they are our guiding light,
They realise the psychological war is not over and political elections have not dampened our determination to become independent.
Remember we can use them as direction to let us know when we are near the mark. Because when we talk about economics and a thriving Scotland or the treaty of the union they start attacking in earnest, And to witness their inner fears is a delight.
Socrates
What’s your opinion on whether journalists can go down the blogging route like Jaggy and survive?
When I was digging around for blogs for voices.scot I came to the conclusion/observation that there are basically four tiers of internet media:
1) what used to be the dead-tree press who now run some or all of their business from their website.
2) the new media groups who aspire to be like the dead-tree press but avoid all the legacy cost structure and do everything on the web.
3) Journalists who’ve taken the plunge and gone independent.
4) The amateurs who are in it to write and might have specialist knowledge – the likes of Richard Murphy, etc.
#1 is essentially dead. Google and Facebook stole all the advertisers and in a desperate rush to make money from any source they’ll report anything that might remotely result in a click. Quality is non-existent.
#2 is essentially dead too, apart from a few stragglers. They can’t attract the advertising. Look at newsnet.scot, as far as I can tell it’s on life support.
(Incidentally The National sits somewhere between #1 and #2. It will disappear as soon as people get fed up eating carrots)
#3 has a few success stories but generally the pickings are thin.
#4 seem to be the only space that’s thriving but only because nobody is expecting to make any money. Often the writing is as good as you’ll see anywhere and the content can often be leaps and bound ahead of anything you’ll see the mainstream press.
I’m definitely looking at #4 with rose-tinted spectacles so I am wondering if there are any other ways of sustaining journalists / factual writers. Seems to me if it were possible it would have emerged by now.
I’m interested in your take on this.
Andy. How Dare you insult my intelligence. Your assertions are Government propaganda and you know it. Don’t lump me in with your favourite hobby horses. Falling for a psychological warfare operation makes you the flat Earth conspiracy theorist.
You refuse to address any concerns there are over Government handling of a virus that hasn’t been isolated. Your appeal to power over individual rights gives you away as nothing very different from our Fascist leaders. “Morally reprehensible”? What are you? A priest? Mary Whitehouse? What a bam. People who refuse the ” vaccine” are going to be discriminated against. Europe has already instituted a vaccine passport you buffoon If your 85 years old grannie is vaccinated she should be alright or what’s the point of having it? I am fully prepared to state me case much more than you can. You only have emotive tabloid nonsense for argument. You’ve got nothing. Your last paragraph reveals you as a Fascist. Outrageous descrimination against a once free people. You really don’t see what’s going on do you? If you are the brains of the Independence movement then I want nothing to do with it. Not only are you stupid your insulting with also, probably because your stupid.
Socrates MacSporran: As far as Leslie Evans goes, I agree with all you say and she will do well out of this, whatever happens.
James Wolffe on the other hand is not there to accept the diktat of Ministers. He is there to make sure the law is applied and the role of law in this country is ‘public protection’.
That may, from time to time, bring him into conflict with Ministers but too bad; the law comes first and that is all he should care about.
I see this as the legal profession at last getting their house in order.
James Che. Sorry but Scotlands spirit was broken six years ago. It died a complete death in March 2020 as did Liberty. Texas Florida Japan Sweden are proof you don’t health passports or flu shots to live your life. Andy Ellis advocates draconian discrimination against the “others” who won’t do what the government tells us. He wants us to make his world a “safe space”. Why is all the Independence movement such snowflakes?
Andy. Dry your eyes with your emotive bullshit propaganda. Right my children’s future is more important than your Granny who is almost oot the door..Everybodies priorities and sensibilities seem reversed in this country. You’re just as bad as the woke SNP.
All I know for sure, is that Scottish Independence as we know it, should be running rampant with it’s tail up, but instead it is right now circling the drain, never gonna happen, and one of the very few chances we have to stave off disaster is that man Alex Salmond.
Take him out the game, and it’s tea and medals time for the UK Establishment. They at least understand and respect the man’s potential. It’s the idiots on “our” side who don’t, and stand back with their gobs wide open watching salvo after salvo trying to sink the good ship Alex Salmond.
It is known and accepted globally that the nemesis of propaganda is truth, and we all know Scotland is awash with BBC type indoctrination, yet there are those amongst us ready to abandon the unalterable truth which vindicates Alex Salmond, and concede victory to the conspirators and propagandists who smeared him. I would rather those propagandists didn’t win.
Alex Salmond came damn close to getting Scotland over the line against a sea of cynicism, marginal support, and disgraceful double standards in the media. We have yet to see what Alex Salmond is capable of doing if he had a majority supporting Independence, an impartial forum from which to be heard, and a level playing field in the voting process. If ALBA had gotten into Holyrood he’d have had that platform, and it is my firm conviction he would have gone on to deliver Scottish Independence.
Sturgeon? A nobody. A crook. A total waste of space and death to Scottish Independence. Even the Unionists do less harm to Scotland’s interests than she does.
I am sick to the marrow in my bones of living in a Scottish nation which is permanently through the looking glass; where justice is the fraud, where decent people are the villains and the villains are worshipped like heroes. Where lies are more potent than truth, our wealth is maligned as our poverty, where propaganda defeats truth, and where hope and optimism is denigrated as weakness or sedition.
I am so fucking tired of this alternate reality. Will the real Scotland please stand up.
From March 2013: LEVESON REPORT IN SCOTLAND
“Instead, we plumped for universal jurisdiction – in much the same way as the press is already universally bound by a variety of laws, including the Contempt of Court Act.” link to archive.is
Being “bound” is obviously a million miles away from actual enforcement as current evidence in Scotland will testify.
If we have to capitulate, as some on here have done, to the filthy tactics of reinforcing the claims of liars and perjurers, by claiming that seeing as Alex Salmond is viewed by so many as soiled goods that he should be treated as such, then Indy is polluted beyond all hope.
But luckily we don’t.
However, Indy is now as much about people accepting the truth that AS is innocent, and was the victim of a government stitch-up as it is about anything else. For until people stop believing Sturgeon and her crew’s lying constant insinuations THERE WILL BE NO INDY.
Pixywine.
The trolls use antagonism as a weapon to throw a different spin on a conversation, to divert to heated conversations, to disrupt any thinking that may become a plan for a way forward through a political mess.
That is their weakness, not their strength,
We are able to see them through the web they weave, we recognise them through their verbal actions and we can see their purpose and fear,
we can see the whites of their eyes. And they are big and scared, of losing Scotland, their ultimate weakness is how small and alone they would feel, how they cannot manage to stand up without the support of Scotland, they can’t afford to let Scotland go because they will not appear strong to the rest of Europe and America,
We should be proud they are scared to let us go, we should Hold our heads up high that good ole England and perhaps America belittle themselves that they rely so much on one country, that they cannot invisage themselves being strong without Scotland,
One of their biggest and most obvious weaknesses is how strategic Scotland is geologically placed
For shipping, submarines and warfare,
When you realise this, you know the reason for why they have a weakness and wish to hang onto Scotland, they have already discussed alternatives for these issues if Scotland went independent in 2014.
If only they could find another country that was so strategically placed as Scotland for warfare and oil.
Yes the uk are looking for oil in Africa, and have renewed exploration licenses for more oil fields near the top of Scotland,
They are scared, they have to continue to dampen down the Scottish people’s call for self determination and ultimately independence.
The spat between Breeks, Dave and Socrates, I fear the problem is deeper than they think and will involve more than Alex Salmond.
For years I have been telling anyone who will listen that there is something happening among women …….and men in today’s society and the Salmond affair has become personal. A large percentage of women have come to accept the woke maxim that “all men are rapists” or at best abusers and men have lost the will to speak up for themselves. This reinforces an historic grievance held by some women that nature “does not do equality”.
The reason, in my view, of why so many people viewing Scottish politics cover their ears and eyes is much deeper than the sins of Sturgeon and involves what we have made of our society.
In saying that I believe that Auld Nic latched onto the female psyche pretty damn quick and has used it to her advantage
This phenomenon will not affect only Scotland, but all of Western society and it will be the fault of woke progressives.
There’s your problem Breeks, it isn’t an alternative. The inversion is reality.
Eck is my hero too, but the mud has been rubbed in for so long, it’ll take more than Vanish to clean off.
Long before the alphabeti conspiracy, before indyref, he was target no.1.
“Salmond accused…” ad infinitum.
Never the ball, always the man.
It’s what they do.
It works. It has worked.
@Pixywine
The only one insulting folks intelligence here is you. Your responses seem a tad over wrought. You’re the one railing against the machine.
If nutters want to refuse to be vaccinated they should be free to do so. The sensible overwhelming majority who don’t swallow ascientific woo woo whole should also be free to not only point and laugh at the neo luddites and take steps to protect ourselves from the results of anti vaxxer idiocy. You’re just spouting libertarian nonsense and trying to dress it up as principled. As is invariably the case with libertarianism of course when you scratch the surface you just find a sociopath underneath.
Even fully vaccinated people aren’t immune, but the studies show that if they contract Covid after having been vaccinated they are less likely to be seriously ill: that even goes for only having one dose of the vaccine.
We see you and the other zoomers all the time advocating for faster liberalisation and opining that piles of bodies are a price worth paying so you can go for a pint at Weatherspoons. It’s pathetic.
Hugh Jarse says:
24 May, 2021 at 12:57 pm
Eck is my hero too, but the mud has been rubbed in for so long, it’ll take more than Vanish to clean off
Sorry Hugh, but that sounds to me as just the same philosophy as a “proud Scot but”.
It’s just you’re an “Eck’s my hero but” instead.
Explain to me the difference.
The foundations of the uncritical thinking society totalitarians, and the SNP inner clique, love.
link to thenational.scot
The dangers of uncritical thinking
link to encyclopedia.uia.org
Brave New Scotland…ouch!
I had to laugh on hearing LBC’s James O’Brien on the radio act like a nodding dog on a cars parcel shelf when told that Russia had brought down the Malaysian jet in 2014, and that Bellingcat had proved it.
O’Brien should stick to what he’s good at and that’s dissecting the multitudes of lies and deceptions emanating from Westminster and Number Ten.
Socrates
You don’t get it. Barring any curve balls Wolffe will be appointed a court of session judge, as is convention, by Nicola Sturgeon.
He is not an agent of the British state, I believe he has been bent to the will of Nicola Sturgeon because they either have dirt on him in the infamous SNP blackmail book of secrets held by Ian McCann or he compromised himself in some way to give them leverage over him.
As an aside, it effing well enrages me that people still try to make excuses for Nicola Surgeon or cling to some demented conspiracy theory that she is an agent of the British state. SHE IS NOT.
Nicola Sturgeon is a corrupt power crazed psychopathic liar who is so obsessed with power she will do whatever it takes to obtain it and then hold onto it forever. She is not an agent in a wider British state conspiracy, she is someone who is only looking out for herself and anyone who her gets in her way better watch out.
Rev Stu packed in because he was fed up with people coming on here and refusing to pay attention to what he said and a lot of you lot are back at it again. Get it through your effin heads people. Anyone who thinks Sturgeon put independence or Scotland above herself is deluded. She is someone who saw an opportunity for power by leading people up the garden path and dangling the indy carrot and took it. Salmond got in her way and he was disappeared from the political chessboard.
On Salmond, he knew all along just how twisted and evil sturgeon was, no doubt that’s why he chose her and thought he could control her, and it has blown up spectacularly in his face. It’s time he stopped pussy footing around and trying to take out the monkey Evans and went after the organ grinder Sturgeon. If he doesn’t do it soon his moment will pass. Get on with it man!
Speaking of Number Ten, I see Tory ministers, and media mouthpieces loyal to them are now calling Dominic Cummings a lying vengeful man as he threatens to spill the beans on the lying inept PM.
It wasn’t that long ago that the same Tory ministers and their ever obedient media lickspittles, were telling us that Cummings wasn’t a lair when he drove 60 miles to Barnard castle to make sure his eyesight was okay during the peak of the Covid pandemic.
Cumming’s isn’t one of the good guys in all of his, however I look forward to him revealing just how incompetent Johnson was/is on handling the pandemic that saw thousands die.
Then again if England’s Red Wall can vote for Johnson on Brexit and reelect him, then I doubt even if Johnson is revealed as a hopeless buffoon, that the public will actually protest about it, to have him removed.
So Belarus, forced a passenger plane heading from Greece to Lithuania to land in Belarus so that a dissident journalist could be take into custody. I suppose the UN will be outraged by this, and that any physical action to be taken against Belarus will be knocked on the head as Russia will negate it via a UNSC vote, just as the US negates any positive action to help the oppressed Palestinian people via Israels murderous actions.
Closer to home the slabbering SNP Russophobes SNP MP John Nicolson and his sidekick SNP MP Stewart McDonald, have been blabbering out what a rogue state Belarus is, its aligned with Russia
McDonald and Nicolson can’t do enough of Westminster’s dirty propaganda work for them. These two fools, or useful idiots, are a handy edition to Johnson’s propaganda department, in reality all they’re doing is making fools of themselves and Scotland.
SNP politicians doing another countries dirty work for them who’d have thought it.
Breeks.
Pixywine.
Why do you think the trolls are still here?
They are meant to grind you down, they are here To deliberately dishearten the YES for Scotland.
Are you aware that there are still thousands of the yes movement for an independent Scotland that read this site, even though they do not comment.
Only a few have given up.
Pixywine you’re still here.
Breeks you’re still here
I am still here.
Many others are still here quietly observing, many from around the world.
Many waiting for someone to keep the home fires burning. Until they return home,
Remember the words on the declaration of Arbroath,
We do not need thousands, although it would be nice, we need only a few people whom are willing to think outside the box,
People whom recognise the facts regarding the treaty of the union.
Why do you think the trolls start attacking me when I dissect the reality of that very Treaty,
They are scared sh.tless that we are waking up to the fact that nowhere can THEY prove with any documentation that any of the population of Scotland was asked if they wanted to join the treaty of the union,
There was no question about it put to the Scottish people in 1707, A loophole they did not foresee being relevant or a problem in the years to come.
I notice when I broach this subject on here the trolls come out the woodwork, an try closing or changing the topic .of conversation.
Of corse the more they try putting me off, it makes me more curious and determined why they wish to divert me.
I remember Alba speaking about this as one of the alternative routes.
And every one of the snp panicked. The MSM panicked.
Here’s a wee hug for both of you, from me and all the others that are listening and watching.
The trolls are few, they just have big mouths,
You gotta be close before they start panicking,
Pixywine,
You have repeatedly claimed that COVID-19 hasn’t been isolated but have provided no evidence. Meanwhile, The CDC state they isolated the virus from the first known positive case in the US on January 20, 2020. This was then cultured and made available to researchers from February 2nd last year.
link to archive.is
And if you are anywhere near the expert on virus isolation you pretend to be, you’ll have proof that the samples provided by the BEI repository in the US are not COVID-19. The link is literally right there for labs to apply and receive a sample for research.
link to archive.is
I mean, someone, somewhere in the junk science movement must have actually bothered to apply for a sample to test in their lab, right?
@Shocked
“some demented conspiracy theory that she is an agent of the British state. SHE IS NOT.”
Well, if she’s not, she’s certainly protected by such.
Only 1 MSM outlet in Scotland is pro-Indy, or should I say pro-SNP, which isn’t the same thing these days. Either way, it’s readership isn’t huge. However, when the biggest pro-Indy blogger/website exposes everything we’ve seen connected with that individual and those she surrounds herself with, and not one pro-Union media outlet picks up on any of it, what does that tell you?
The only other plausible explanation for the explosion of tumbleweed where her and her cronies are concerned is if someone in Whitehall is a fan of Napoleon and has relayed the following to the editors of pro-Union media outlets… “Never interfere with an enemy while he’s in the process of destroying himself”.
Sturgeon’s certainly got that one down pat!
Andy Ellis,
Are you saying that everyone should be vaccinated whatever age they are or whether they need it or not.
You claim that people sceptical of the vaccine are loonies, can you explain to me why babies, toddlers, young children, teenagers, young adults, and mature adults as well as the elderly should be lining up for the vaccine?
I want to see if you understand that science has placed different age groups in different risk groups.
Do you understand that different age groups have different risks?
If you do think everyone should be vaccinated, tell us why and please use as much science as you like?
If you think everyone shouldn’t be vaccinated tell us why and again use as much science as you like?
Again, if you think everyone has the same amount of risk from the virus, show me the science?
If you think each age group has differing risks, then please explain why you think each age group should not be treated differently?
I’m asking these perfectly reasonable questions to test whether you have had any of your own thoughts on the matter or you’re just parroting the approved narrative.
So before you answer, please have a fucking think about what you say and what it actually means.
Shocked
Au contrare Dear Boy – I DO get it. James Wolffe will be (cough, cough) looked after by the Legal Establishment/Sturgeon, this is a given.
The weakest link is, I think, Evans. I am certain her friends in the civil service First Division will make certain she is protected from any fall-out.
As I posted earlier today, when Alex Salmond does take her to court, she will play her joker – the: I vas only obeying orders card.
This will immediately throw all suspicion as to what happened onto Sturgeon, and while she is also surely being looked after by the Establishment, she is only a politician and can be thrown overboard as collateral damage.
Evans’ protectors within the Establishment will see to it, Sturgeon gets the blame for the whole Salmond stitch-up. She will be replaced, probably by Robertson and the show will go on – they hope.
It is good to see so many people still posting positive ideas on this site. Personally I think we should all head for Murrell – he IS a weak link and money is something that interests most people.
Where has the money gone?
No Socrates you alluded to the British state rewarding Wolffe, it will be nicola sturgeon who does that.
And I’m the legal community Wolffe is seen as a disgrace, I should know because I’m in it!
And there you go again about the establishment trying to give sturgeon a pass when she is the establishment!! Why are you so afraid of seeing sturgeon as she is?
Andy Ellis
If you believe the vaccines work, and you have had the vaccine, then why would you care if somebody else has not had it?
That’s the question that always gets ducked.
That, and the other facts in my post that you ignored. About why the risk trade-off between vaccine and Covid is age dependent, meaning that vaccine take up only makes sense for those at high risk from Covid. And that is overwhelmingly the elderly.
I note you refrained from answering that one.
As I wrote, as the years pass, and us oldsters pile up our records of dozens of vaccinations, hopefully no trend of vaccine harm will be seen. And that will mean the risk of Covid to youngsters will one day exceed the proven and demonstrated risk of vaccination.
But not yet. The proof of long-term vaccine safety does not yet exist.
@robertknight
It’s called super injunctions and a Lord advocate threatening the media with the jail and nice thick book of dirty secrets to blackmail anyone who stepped out of line. That’s why it didn’t get the coverage it should have… and as fir the National! Give me strength! It tried to pretend the inquiry wasn’t happening! It’s job is to protect the sturgeon cabal!
And there you go again trying to deflect blame away from sturgeon! What is it with you people! She’s played you like a fiddle and you still try to make excuses for her! She should be in jail!
Andy. I think we two are big enough to sling shit at each other and probably share a pint afterwards but there many who may be dismayed indeed even offended by your use of the word” nutter “.
Belaaargh. The CDC? With Fauci coining it in big time? Aaaaarrrrgggghhh. Get a grip. Andy. Do you really think it’s” nonsense” to desire the return of our freedom? Why did old folks die in Scottish care homes After getting vaccined? You’ll probably blame it on the “contagious”. Contagion angst was successfully played by the Nazis against the Jews. Remember……
@Breastplate 2.00pm
I’m not a scientist like the vast majority of the public, so I’ll proceed on the basis of what the medical and scientific consensus seems to be. If it is shown there is no reason for e.g. children or under 30’s or whatever particular group not to be vaccinated, then I’d be happy to support that. I understand that different groups have different risks. I also understand that just because children don’t appear to be seriously affected by Covid like old people or those with health underlying conditions or vulnerabilities, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be vaccinated.
The different age groups are already being treated differently. The oldest being vaccinated first and those with underlying conditions or working on the front line. You do understand that not vaccinating certain groups, or being relaxed about people refusing to be vaccinated might result in more people being affected or further waves being more damaging than they might otherwise be?
I’m persuadable that how vaccination programmes proceed needs to be justified and to follow there science. I’m not happy to validate random nutters on the interweb who insist their pet theory validated bu some random on YouTube shows it’s all a plot to infringe our liberties, or implant chips in all of us.
If you’re a scientist you should be able to point to evidence supporting your view. If you’re not a scientist you should be able to point to the weight of evidence that shows why your scepticism should trump the mainstream scientific consensus. The onus is on you as the one who asserts the orthodox view is incorrect.
I’m really starting to hate people who want to keep us in lockdown or “special measures” indefinitely / forever.
For Chrissakes, you stay at home if you want to, you fucking cowards, but let the rest of us get on with living our lives to the full.
The Nazi camp guards are in full effect in Sturgeon’s tyranny.
I say FUCK THEM.
Andy. I would never drink at Weatherspoons. I’d prefer the pub my sister hopefully still runs on the High Street, Edinburgh. Weatherspoons track and trace do they not? I will not spend money anywhere that imposes bread queues traffic lights and UN workable pussy masks on their customers. Superstition.
Shocked says:
23 May, 2021 at 9:28 am
Being like Estonia, a former soviet republic growing its way out of decades of communist oppression and economic decay, is a major step backwards. Why do you have no ambition for Scotland? Do you not think we can be successful? Tho of course Estonia is quite like Scotland st the moment as they admired in corruption, mind you their kick their corrupt politicians out and jail them, we seem to re elect them and then kneel in front of them because they once waved a flag.
No offense intended, but in your answer to Stuart Mackay you show a deeply-ingrained ignorance on all things Estonia.
As it happens, the level of corruption in the country has decreased dramatically in recent years – you just need to have a look at the stats in Transparency International – the government ensures rental prices of apartments is kept within a limit (compare that to Edinburgh/Glasgow, packed full of illegal landlords ripping people off and charging prices that make no sense for the living conditions they offer), fee waivers are offered for the most prestigious master’s degrees in local universities, the e-residency programme is probably the best in the world for entrepreneurs who want to register their businesses somewhere safe and pay sensible taxes, and the quality of job vacancies on offer, especially in the IT/robotics/engineering fields, is second to none for such a small nation. Companies that, by the way, tend to run their businesses in English as most Estonians are at least fluent in two foreign languages.
If only could Scotland achieve the success of the Baltic tiger! That would be the dream and what Scotland should definitely aim for: becoming the next Estonia.
Please educate yourself before making comments about other countries.
@Shocked
I think you’re confusing me with someone else – I’m no fan of Sturgeon, (Never was).
The point I’m trying to make, if you’ll read again what I wrote, is that the buck doesn’t just stop with her.
She’s just the tip of the drill bit – you’ve still got the machinery of the drill behind that. Make no mistake, she’s culpable, but so are her enablers. They should all be banged up IMHO.
Robert knight
Sturgeon is the boss and everyone works for her. Scotland is ruled by her and the defacto president Peter Murrell. It is they who pull the strings, no one is pulling their strings.
Andy. Beware of scientifuc”consensus” especially if that ” consensus” is excluding and censoring anyone who disagrees with them. I would say your lurid imagery about bodies piled up may be considered a tad ” overwrought”? Dumb ass.
Freya.
Estonia is a major step back of about 35 years for Scotland. That is a fact whether you like it or not. As for corruption, the Estonian government resigned for corruption not long ago. I suppose that’s one thing Estonia has over us because our corrupt new SNP government is still in place.
Andy Ellis can stick his vaccine guilt up his arse.
I will take the vaccine if and when I decide it is the right thing for ME, I have no obligation to put that shit in my body to keep anyone else happy. Anything else is mandated medication fascism.
Andy Pandy also needs to do a bit of thinking about why there appears to be a scientific “consensus”. As ever, follow the money (grant awards / mainstream and social media backlash. Y’know the same shit that keeps people who know better silent on the transgender issue).
There are still plenty of diseenting experts / virolgists saying the current approach is un-Scientific bollocks
Andy,
Thank you for your reply.
I agree with some of what you say.
Andy. There’s nothing “random” about us. You’ve dropped the ball on politics Big time. You’re so solipsistic you didn’t notice the removal of your liberties last year. Why is Liberty such a dirty word to the Left? I have no time for the distraction politics of Left and Right while there are greater issues at stake.. Why would youbelueve Matt Hancock?
how will the gubmint deal with the trans-vaxxers, i.e. people who IDENTIFY AS BEING VACCINATED against covid, but whose medico-biological status, is unvaccinated.
James Che. You’re trolling us with an 18th Century Treaty. Nice
@John Main 2.28pm
I don’t care if the number of science denying flat earthers is small enough.
I’m not ducking the question: the answer is the same for Covid as for other infectious diseases. Covid may be most dangerous for the elderly, but it’s not risk free for other groups. The impact and extent of long Covid aren’t well understood yet either, so I’d still opt for a more cautious approach than risk opening things up too early. As I said earlier, I wouldn’t force people to have the vaccine, but I’m also quite prepared to see those who refuse to take it be forced to abide by measures the rest of society takes to protect itself, whether it is not expecting to carry on working in a front line position or not being allowed entry to places.
Society has dealt with such competing rights/obligations questions in the past and no doubt will do so in future. For example, would you oppose a nursery or school making proof of vaccination for MMR compulsory? Why should the rights of those opposed to vaccination be afforded greater weight than the rights of others?
This is a novel situation. It’s true the proof of long term safety doesn’t yet exist: given the timescales it could hardly be otherwise. We can only go by the data we have now and do the best cost benefit analysis we can. The consensus is that more people died than needed to because the government was ill prepared, implantation of counter measures was poor, and they frequently opened things up or liberalised controls too early. You can disagree with that analysis of course, but you’re very much in the minority if you do.
You may of course be proven right: one or more of the vaccine may be proven to have side effects, but then you’d have to offset that against the benefits. I’ve had one jab with the Astra Zeneca shot: it wasn’t a choice, but I had no hesitation being vaccinated and will happily have my second dose and would get additional ones if that was advised.
I’d need pretty strong evidence to the contrary to stop me following the scientific consensus, on much the same grounds that as a lay person I’d tend to be guided by professionals in any area. Of course they aren’t infallible, but you don’t generally expect to follow the minority view about what is safe in terms of e.g. engineering, building, car mechanics or whether an aircraft is safe, so why would you make an exception in the case of medicine and vaccination?
Confused. Yes. Me too.
Andy. Come on man. Long covid? Is it worse than man flu? You’re better using your Tabloid to wipe yir arse.
@Shocked
“It is they who pull the strings, no one is pulling their strings.”
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree.
A delve into the history of politics and the British State, in it’s various guises, in Northern Ireland for example, might draw you to a different conclusion. Better yet, read this (If you can get a copy)…
Britain’s Secret War: Tartan Terrorism and the Anglo-American State
Author: Andrew Murray Scott, Iain MacLeay
Publisher: Mainstream Publishing (1990)
Language: English
Paperback: 208 pages
ISBN-10 1851583130
ISBN-13 978-1851583133
Plenty strings to be pulled, if you know where to look.
LGB*T* explained:
Some people like Cats
Some people like Dogs
Some people like Cats & Dogs
Some people say Cats ARE Dogs, & Dogs ARE Cats
@pixywine 2.44 & 2.53pm
I’m not saying the consensus is invariably right I’m asking you to demonstrate why we should give more credence in this particular instance to the minority view than to the majority. It’s undeniable that in certain places like Italy and Spain their health services broke down under the strain of the first wave and that without that warning the NHS would have been similarly overwhelmed. It’s also undeniable thirst there is a strand of thought in British politics – whether you accept that Boris never actually used the words or not – that would be intensely relaxed at the prospect of piles of dead if it meant they could open up the economy faster. They are of course entitled to their view, just as I’m entitled to think they are utterly lacking a moral compass.
I’m quite aware that some of my liberties were curtailed last year. Like most people I felt then and continue to feel now that it was a price worth paying. Of course I wish we had a more competent government and a better resources health service and social care sector, but the majority of people were persuaded that the sacrifices made had a purpose. It’s not a question of believing Hancock it’s a question of why would you believe his take on when to open up the economy rather than health experts?
Y’know, the ICC really is a joke, its currently prosecuting some Sudanese warlord for killing hundreds of people and displacing millions more. Yet the same court allows Israel to do much worse without any Israeli prime minister ever having to stand in the ICC’s dock for war crimes against humanity.
On the same day as the Sudanese warlord stands trial, the EU is outraged at Alexander Lukashenko, president of Belarus for hijacking a Ryanair flight headed for Lithuania to capture a dissident journalist, who was shadowed on the flight by Belarusian security forces.
Yet the same EU allows Israel an oppressive apartheid military regime, to compete in EU tournaments such as the Eurovision Song Contest and the World Cup and the European Championships.
The hypocrisy is breathtaking, as is the lack of consistency.
It’s fairly quiet on Wings today, so here’s a wee reminder of what it did forensically well——The case of journalist and broadcaster Mark Hirst.
Newbies to Wings, and some of the new Members of the Scottish Parliament may be rather shocked at the state of the law and other things legal in Scotland:
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Dominic Raab in the HoC calling the Belarusian actions a serious breech of international Law, however Raab the UK’s Foreign secretary forgets that the very House that he stands in has broken International Law on multiple occasions, none more so when the house intimidated, beat up, and killed the livestock of the people of the Chagos Islands, before forcefully removing them from their homelands to allow a US airbase to move in.
Of course the real outrage at Belarusian actions is aimed at stopping Nordstream II and the Yamal-European pipeline.
robertknight says:
24 May, 2021 at 1:56 pm
@Shocked
“some demented conspiracy theory that she is an agent of the British state. SHE IS NOT.”
Well, if she’s not, she’s certainly protected by such.
What difference would it have made anyway? Whether she’s fkd Scottish Independence by accident or design, it still amounts to the same thing.
Andy,
the goalposts have been moved several times from where we wanted to “flatten the curve”.
I’m not sure what the current aim is but nothing is without risk and every action has consequences.
There is a UN report that believes an extra 130,000,000 people globally be facing starvation because of covid restrictions.
So it’s perfectly conceivable that many more people could die than be saved because of our restrictions. This wasn’t factored in to our strategy.
@robertknight
It’s little wonder sturgeon has got away with what she has when people like you can’t see what’s right in front of their faces. It’s always got to be some fanciful conspiracy orchestrated by the British state. The idea that people can just be corrupt on their own passes you by every time. No wonder the Rev got fed up.
@ Andy Ellis
If I recall correctly it was the “Superman Speech” Boris gave on Feb 3rd 2020 in Greenwich that suggested the UK could buck the lockdown trend to make an economic advantage of Covid.
Staying on the sheer hypocrisy of Westminster on Belarusian actions in which their president hijacked a plane and kidnapped a dissident journalist. Westminster is currently doing the exact same thing with Julian Assange, a journalist held without charge for reporting the truth. Westminster is holding him on the orders of the USA they want him extradited, to the US where he’ll surely be tortured and eventually killed.
Closer to home we have the useful idiots Stewart McDonald SNP MP and John Nicolson SNP MP doing down Belarus and Russia, on the kidnapping of a dissident journalist whilst their boss back home in Scotland Sturgeon the Betrayer, is also attempting to imprison journalists, (and a ex-FM) who report the truth, such as Craig Murray, Mark Hirst, Stuart Campbell and of late David Llewellyn.
It all stinks of hypocrisy from top to bottom.
Right on cue a SNP MP Patricia Gibson stands up in the HoC and denounces the Belarusian president, and asks what action can be taken to protect the opposition in Belarus, she asks for no such protection for those who are persecuted in Scotland for reporting the truth with regards to the Scottish government.
I supported Martin Keatings in his Section 30 case and have just received the following e-mail update. Tell me now that indyref 2 is just around the corner.
Update on Peoples Action on Section 30
So, the election is over. Immediately after which the Tories began saying exactly what we thought they would with regards to section 30. The SNP said exactly what we thought they would say with regards to section 30, none of it comes close to the reality of the situation and the SNP’s bill is definitely going to be challenged by the UK Government.
What comes next in this little saga, is that the UK Government are going to use the time challenging the SNP’s bill (if they ever get around to actually putting it to Holyrood because they’re already starting to do what they did at the last election – namely quoting longer and longer timescales) to modify legislation at Westminster and remove certain aspects of that bill from the competency of Holyrood. At which point the court will have no choice but to rule on the law as it stands at that time, declaring the bill to be incompetent.
If that sounds familiar, it should be, because it is exactly the trap the SNP walked into with the continuity bill.
Conversations with counsel are such that we see no reason to appeal to the UK supreme court in this case and on that front you only have the Scottish National Party to blame. The constitutionality of the Scottish Parliament legislating for indyref 2 and the constitutionality of the SNP’s own bill being ruled competent have been scuttled by the SNP themselves. They could have had both confirmed if they’d merely joined this case and fought for the powers of the Scottish Parliament – but because the paperwork didn’t have an SNP logo on the top, instead the same fight will have to be had again at a cost of millions to the taxpayer.
Make no mistake, this case has not been a wasted, arguments have been crafted and researched, which I am sure that the Scottish Government will be able to use when they have the same fight again and Westminster cuts their knees out from under them.
With respect to the current status of this case, what happens next is quite simple. The funds raised will go to pay all of the legal counsel we hired. The UK and Scottish Government will seek expenses over and above that, and for daring to ask a very simple legal question which politicians have failed to answer for 22 years, I am now likely to be sequestered (made bankrupt). But not to worry, because with nothing to lose, I’m now free to stop walking on eggshells and say exactly what I would like to say.
Be under no illusion. The UK Government was not the stumbling block in this case. The Scottish Government (that’s the SNP to ensure no mistake) first tried to have the case struck out saying it was filed under the wrong process. When that didn’t work, they tried to have it moved to a different process so it could be struck out, which counsel classified as an abuse of process. They deliberately filed a motion which we had to prepare for and draft a response, only for them to drop it at the last minute.
Every request they made came with the same request that “both sides should assume their own expenses”. Simply put, the Scottish Government used your tax money to deliberately delay and deliberately undermine this case.
If this were not bad enough – when it was leaked (we presume by the UK Government) that the Scottish Government had said exactly what it thought about all of you supporting this claim, namely “it is not for the pursuer to stand in the shoes of parliamentarians” (bearing in mind the pursuers are you 10,000). They withdrew from the case, knowing that all of their arguments would take a month to remove from the record, adding further cost and further delay to proceedings. But those arguments did not disappear. Instead, the Lord Advocate (who I see resigned yesterday, and I hope the door hits him in the ass on the way out), who was called to represent the Scottish Parliament (and who is a member of the Scottish Government) adopted those same pretentious and arrogant arguments of the Scottish Government. The fact that it was the Scottish Government Legal Directorate who was arguing on his behalf tells you all you need to know. The Lord Advocate was arguing for the Scottish Government, not the Scottish Parliament.
Indeed, we repeatedly called on him to state who exactly he was representing. We only ever got one response in one hearing which never actually answered the question. That response was “the Lord Advocate is not a member of the SNP”. This was a political spin because we did not ask him if he was a member of the SNP, we called on him to say who he was representing, the Scottish Parliament or the Scottish Government. They made out it was the Scottish Parliament, but having adopted all of the arguments of the Scottish Government, and the fact that the legal counsel was the Scottish Government Legal Directorate, well, you can wrap a turd in coconut but you still can’t call it a snowball.
What it boils down to is that it’s not for we mere plebs to ask questions of Government.
Of course, before the election we warned that the SNP’s bill was not, in fact, a bill, and I am now free to say this quite publicly – they’re using that bill and promising to pass it was a lie – it was a fraud perpetrated on the electorate. The SNP don’t know if they can pass that bill or not, because they have never tested whether it would be legitimate or not. How do we know this? Because it’s literally the point of the people’s action.
The Scottish National Party has lied to the movement. They have presented a “draft” bill and claimed that they can pass it. The irony is that because it was a draft bill and not a bill, this is the reason the court has refused to opine.
On the day we filed the court summons, Nicola Sturgeon was on TV making the statement “if the court says it is lawful, it is lawful”. On the day that the details of the Scottish Governments view of the ordinary electorate were published “not for the pursuer to stand in the shoes of parliamentarians”, miraculously an announcement of a “draft bill” was made. What you did not see was the panicked emails popping up all over the place just before it. It was no coincidence that the “draft bill” coming “before the end of the parliamentary term” popped up on the day it did.
Let’s be clear. The SNP could have easily tested the question in our case and passed that bill through parliament with a clause talking about the circumstances it would be used/activated. A clause stating a majority vote of parliament for instance. It did not need to be a draft bill, it did not need to stay a draft bill; and the electorate did not need to be lied to in the run up to an election being told that the Scottish Government could pass it, when they know damn well they might not be able to.
When they do attempt to pass it (if they ever do), and the UK Government challenges it, removing competencies from the Scottish Parliament and preventing that bill from becoming law, I have no doubt that the new Yes Men in Nicola’s cabinet will stomp their feet and shake their fists – but remember one simply inescapable fact – they had the opportunity to confirm their own bill and that the Scottish Parliament had the power to pass it. Only now, another legal battle will be required, it will likely cost millions between the UK Government and the Scottish Government dooking it out, and in the long run, the Scottish Government will likely lose because they will get hit in the face with the same metaphorical 2×4 that they did with the continuity bill.
The question for the people’s action is – is it finished? The answer to that is no. There is a plan B, but it will not be implemented for quite a while. However, we will not be proceeding to the supreme court. Had the Scottish National Party, the supposed party of independence, actually stood shoulder to shoulder with the grassroots on this, we’d know that the bill was likely to pass, all that would have been required is the SNP to pass it in short order. They could have then said to Westminster, mutually agree the terms of indyref2 or we’ll do it ourselves. But no, the SNP putting their party before the movement, choice to torpedo a case and blow their own toes off in the process – the blame for what comes next lies squarely on their shoulders, and while I am sure that their media team will have 20 meme’s and one line quotes for their elected representatives by tomorrow, no political spin is going to wash the stain that they actively blocked the electorate from asking a reasonable question about their own constitutional future, blew their own toes off, laid the groundwork for their own bill to fail and the UK Government to screw all of us.
On another note, and this one goes out to all the organisers of events around the country – there’s nothing more offensive than the SNP leadership consistently saying on one hand that we need to convince the other side to vote yes, but yet their own records show that absolutely zero resources have been allocated to that task for years. The other thing that should be called out is the constant comment about being out and campaigning. Apart from the pandemic, the movement has been consistently campaigning since 2014. AUOB, SIM, Forward as One and others around the country holding rallies on a regular basis. What was absent was support from the upper echelons of the SNP.
We’re fast approaching a situation that is going to become intolerable for most of us in the movement. We’ve desperately tried to stop it, but for the arrogance of a select few in the upper echelons of Government, the worst-case scenario is unfolding before our eyes.
Mark my words, the people’s action on Section 30 is not over. It merely has to morph into something different and change direction. Pressure now needs to be applied to the SNP and as for legal matters, I will not disclose what happens next until the time is right (I hope you understand), suffice to say, if the SNP are annoyed take issue at the minute, just wait for what comes next.
Martin
@ Shocked at 3:50 pm
Why does the pro-union mainstream UK media run for weeks on SNP / Scotland BAD when there’s a dead pigeon in a hospital water tank causing a health issue, or a chunk of ice falls off the Queensferry crossing onto the road due to adverse climatic conditions, yet they won’t go near highlighting all the bollox of wasting 1000s of hours of elected and non elected officials’ time, and wasting millions of quids of taxpayers’ cash with the Scottish
GovernemntAdministrators of Devolved Powers and Civil Servants’ fiasco of the whole saga trying to fit up Alex Salmond.Andy Ellis says:
“you think their rights over-ride those of the patients in hospital or care home residents they attend? If they are “allowed” to refuse to comply “
Andy, Andy, you still haven’t answered the three simple questions I asked you and your comment above is a bit mystifying. If those hospital patients or residents are vaccinated themselves then how could anyone be a threat to them? Unless, unless you are claiming that the vaccine doesn’t work? Can you please clarify this point as well as your position on the original 3 questions. Many thanks in advance.
Well to top it all off, hypocrisy wise, the President of the European Council Charles Michel is thought to have said (in a fit of temper) that the president of Belarus should be in the dock for war crimes. No mention of UK or US presidents of past, or Israeli ones for that matter, standing in the dock for their troops actions.
As someone who fondly remembers a Hampden roar, its particular relationship with Jimmy Hill, and a time when young Scots took a certain pride in the nutter label (rather than vice versa), its probably still worth pointing out to SNP2 voters that, with the number of deaths within 28 days of a covid jag being in the order 30 to 100 times as many as there are within 28 days of a positive covid test then, barring any legacy trust issues, the crisis must now be definitively over (particularly in absence of any hand washing, ppe or sensible distancing/ run far far away type advice being given for the vaccine related deaths) so, now that Hibs fans have been spared witnessing that match, and the good citizens of Perth Rod Petrie’s disgust with any enthusiastic street celebrations, Glasgow and its stadiums should undoubtedly be able to be reopened to full capacity in time for the Euros.
Jings…Wings has suddenly become a pretty weird place.
Flying without Wings.
@Shocked
Next you’ll have us believe L H Oswald acted alone.
You want to think she’s a ‘lone gunman’ capable of doing all on her own, go right ahead.
Personally, I don’t think she’s got the brains.
RE: vaccine passports
To clarify my initial question was about who has also taken some kind of firm decision on their future should vaccine passports or something similar become mandatory.
It wasn’t about whether people think if there is a threat of government and corporate over reach. Ive already established that for myself. Im only interested in hearing from people who understand the dangers (or at least don’t pretend not to).
Not interested in the less-than-imaginative insults of any willfully ignorant hysterical PC girlyman, global government advocating ‘nationalist’ triggered by honest questioning of now obviously questionable and contradictory government narratives.
Anyone who hasn’t at least got some concerns on this subject im happy to leave on whichever planet they happen to prefer to live on.
The question was for the rest.
Poxywine sputtered,
“Belaaargh. The CDC? With Fauci coining it in big time? Aaaaarrrrgggghhh. Get a grip.”
Is that the best you’ve got? Fauci doesn’t work for the CDC. Fauci works for the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectios Diseases.
The CDC is a government body. They have isolated and cultured the virus and made it available to researchers. Labs have been able to get a sample from them for nearly 16 months. So from all those labs which have obtained a sample, none of them have said, “this is not an isolated COVID sample”
Of course, that’s just the US. You can also speak to any one of the members of BBMRI-ERIC network about obtaining bio samples.
link to directory.bbmri-eric.eu
Here in the UK, isolated virus samples are available from the Institute of Infection, Immunity, and Inflammation research centre at the University of Glasgow:
link to archive.is
So if you’re claiming the virus hasn’t been isolated then these multiple institutes across the world are all lying. And you have proof, naturally.
@President Xiden 4.18pm
Of course there vaccines work. Being vaccinated doesn’t mean you can’t still catch Covid though does it? It appears that having been vaccinated does however mean if you are infected with Covid, you are likely to be less seriously affected. Presumably that’s a pretty big advantage particularly for the elderly and those with other health complaints. Of course the other issue is the fact that some people were refusing to be vaccinated before the full roll out had occurred.
As to your questions:
1) I don’t know. I’m not an expert. Unless you are and are going to point me to peer reviewed evidence that suggests there’s an issue which would convince the general population that they should ignore assurances that the vaccines meet strict standards for safety and have been passed by the relevant authorities, I’m not sure what it is you’re looking for? Millions have been vaccinated with very few instances of side effects or allergic reactions. What alternatives are you suggesting? Not using them and trusting to luck?
2) It would depend who had been proven to be at fault or culpable. Perhaps a lawyer with specific expertise is better placed to answer your question. Again, what is your issue? If the companies who developed a vaccine are found liable for some act or omission that results in people being harmed then presumably they’d be expected to pay for any damages incurred.
3) Not from what I’ve heard, but I’m just some guy on the internet who has to weigh up the evidence I hear on the news. Ask a virologist, or better yet be guided by the consensus of the medical professionals just as you would for other diagnoses. From what I heard, and am happy to accept as reasonable, you can still catch Covid after being vaccinated, and different vaccines have different levels of efficacy. It also appears that if you are infected post vaccination you are likely to suffer less severe symptoms than if you haven’t been vaccinated, even after only one dose.
You’re welcome.
Just got around to wading through Martin Keatings’ email. (I see Gordon Currie has copied its contents here).
Too angry for words
‘Unless you are and are going to point me to peer reviewed evidence that suggests there’s an issue which would convince the general population that they should ignore assurances that the vaccines meet strict standards for safety and have been passed by the relevant authorities, I’m not sure what it is you’re looking for?’
These vaccines are only being rolled out due to emergency (temporary) use authorization. This allowed them to skip animal testing. They are still literally considered experimental.
With regards Long Covid, it’s possible the virus has, in some people, a detrimental affect on the ATP energy cycles within the cells of the body, in a similar way to post viral fatigue in cases of flu, glandular fever, cancer, etc
Dr Ron Davis of Stanford Uni is a world renouned Bio Chemist and team leader on the Human Genonome open science project.
His son came down with Chronic Fatigue Syndrom and from there he began researching and organising research on the topic.
He publishes the data results and shares it with other universities. He provides regular updates over the internet.
When you see just how many different aspects of bio and chemical systems there are, operating within the body, (and Dr Davis explains quite a few in his research) you start to realise just how complicated it gets with regards evidencing where the break is, and from there how to fix it.
And that’s before considering it might be a chain sequence of breaks.
One of his first priorities is to establish a medical field test that can diagnose the condition – something it looks like he’s well on the way to achieving.
Another point of interest – is that the normal checks Doctors do, heart rate, blood pressure, thyroid, blood sugar levels, liver function, etc all tend to come back normal in people with this condition.
Which makes sense if the break is on a cellular ATP/Mitochondria level.
For anyone who has had the real flu, in the 2 weeks following the initial period – when you are no longer symptomatic or infectious – but feel like you couldn’t pull the skin off a pudding – for most people that state lasts a few weeks and then they are back to normal.
For those with Chronic Fatigue Syndrom – they live their whole lives feeling like that, all the time. And the worst of it is, they can’t budget for when they’ll have a good day, or at what point in the next day they might get a window of energy – so its incredibly difficult for them to self manage their energy levels.
Andy Ellis,
I think the point that you are missing is that people are questioning the scientific consensus because they believe that the scientific consensus doesn’t stand logical scrutiny.
Your argument boils down to “trust me, I’m a Doctor.”
Now, of course people shouldn’t believe that the scientific community would lie to us on purpose as their default but people are entitled to feel that they are more than capable of being wrong.
I would like to remind you that the scientific community is often wrong and will continue to be often wrong, all in hindsight.
The sad fact is, we learn from mistakes.
So there should be no crime attached to people with a healthy dose of cynicism.
After all, they simply don’t want to be a future recipient of a letter that tells them they may be eligible for compensation.
@Joe 5.27pm
….and your alternative is?
Meanwhile, in other news outwith the pro-noun emergency…
link to twitter.com
J.o.e,
“These vaccines are only being rolled out due to emergency (temporary) use authorization.”
Yes, except…
“This allowed them to skip animal testing”
No, that’s not what emergency use is about. Animal testing was done in the UK:
link to archive.is
link to bmj.com
Emergency use means that it can be used for a period of 12 months but explicitly for the purpose it has been created for. Meaning it is not a license for general use (some medicines have multiple uses but were developed for a certain purpose, e.g., Viagra). The manufacturer still has to meet the criteria defined in the license E.g., the Pfizer vaccine license is here:
link to archive.is
Emergency use means that the government accepts liability for any problems during this time and will issue damage payments until the general license is obtained.
link to archive.is
link to archive.is
Dominic Raab & Aly Smith appalled at the actions taken by Belarus to arrest a journalist.
What’s the latest on Julian Assange, Craig Murray, Mark Hirst & Dave Llewellyn
Sucre Lucre
link to twitter.com
Craig Murray article from August last year.
link to craigmurray.org.uk
Raab & Big Diddy criticising Belarus Gov for using dirty tricks like the UK & SG would never do anything like that.
robertknight says:
24 May, 2021 at 5:27 pm
Just got around to wading through Martin Keatings’ email. (I see Gordon Currie has copied its contents here).
Too angry for words
Aye. Me too.
But the lobotomised sheep in the SNP will still trust Sturgeon’s secret plan, and refuse to believe she stuck the knife into Alex Salmond’s back, and Martin Keating’s back, but yeah, she’s gonna deliver Independence any day now…
I’m not addressing this to anyone in particular because there really is no point. Minds were made up long ago and I’m way past the point of arguing, with friends, family, or anyone here.
John Beattie has just read out a message from a ‘disgusted’ listener who can’t believe that so many folk didn’t turn up at the hydro for their jag over the weekend. Jason Leitch, earlier, refused to speculate on the reasons for so many no-shows, and wouldn’t confirm the BBC estimate that ‘up to 50%’ didn’t make their appointments. Maybe the blue letters went to the wrong addresses…maybe it was too much hassle for folk to get there…maybe there’s a wee bit of complacency…
No acknowledgement that many folk are capable of scrutinising the available evidence and have made an informed decision to avoid the thing.
But it doesn’t matter anyway. The script is plain enough – as and when seasonal flu numbers start to take an upward tick (as they always do, every year, as a matter of course) those of us who chose not to take the jag will be blamed for the third lockdown. And we will be punished, with the enthusiastic encouragement of many of our own friends, family and neighbours. We will be refused jobs, permission to travel, access to normal public facilities. We will be the scapegoats.
And this will only be possible because intelligent people abandoned their critical faculties when their families and communities really needed them most.
It’s a fucking tragedy for everyone, regardless of what they ‘believe’.
Just caught the end of the interview with Stephen Gethins ex Snp Mp on the John Beattie show on Radio Scotland , The hypocrisy from him was unbelievable re the Belarus Government over the arrest of the journalist/blogger when the Scottish Government and the Cofps have done the exact same thing here when they have gone after Craig Murray , Mark Hirst , Dave Llewellyn and of course a certain other blogger trying to frame Rev Stuart Campbell .
@Balaaaargh
This is pretty much besides the point. The vaccines are still in the experimental stage and wont be out of the experimental stage until 2023
Any government who attempts to mandate through coersion or actual force a substance that is still in trials is in violation of the Nuremberg code.
That’s a fact.
The amount of people on here who still blabber on about covid this ,covid that-they’re messing with our FREEDOOOOOM! Get a grip.
Show me the science blah blah. ?
Well you just need hard figures. There Was, and is no vaccine for no 1-8 on the list, so if the science wasn’t there like today and over past hundred years advancement wasn’t here to try and mitigate it, THON COVID, then who knows if it didn’t become No 1 ?
link to en.wikipedia.org
Beginning to think some of you have a big blob of puss for a head sitting on top of your shoulders where your head used to be like the bubonic plague.
Confused says:
24 May, 2021 at 2:53 pm
how will the gubmint deal with the trans-vaxxers, i.e. people who IDENTIFY AS BEING VACCINATED against covid, but whose medico-biological status, is unvaccinated.
That is SO GOOD
Do you mind if I post that on twitter
knock yourself out macmoses
@robertnight
You think this is a conspiracy where the denial of independence is the main motive. It’s not. Sturgeons main concern here is power, independence or not doesn’t matter. She is also surrounded by absolute morons. She doesn’t need to be smart. All she needs is a partner in crime (hubby) and some devious sleekit bastards to do her bidding. Add in some blackmail, financial corruption, corrupt lawyers and bent coppers and you have the flaming oil tanker wreck we’ve got now.
It took 14 years to get here, it didn’t happen overnight. The writing was on the wall the day the failed and near struck off lawyer Nicola Sturgeon was allowed to lie about her past when she got into politics. She’s the most brazen liar I’ve ever seen but put her against someone smarter and she always loses, but then she waves the flag a bit and dangles the indy carrot and everyone let’s her off and blames someone else.
J.o.e.,
Well, it was your point so make of that what you will.
Deflecting with the Nuremburg code is more conspiracy BS from Facebook and Fuellmich’s youtube. The Nuremburg code applies to consent in clinical trials. All of which have been proven to be safe in large clinical trials.
Also, nobody was forced to take part in the trials and nobody is being forced to take the vaccine so you’re talking out of your backside.
‘Well, it was your point so make of that what you will.
Deflecting with the Nuremburg code is more conspiracy BS from Facebook and Fuellmich’s youtube. The Nuremburg code applies to consent in clinical trials. All of which have been proven to be safe in large clinical trials.
Also, nobody was forced to take part in the trials and nobody is being forced to take the vaccine so you’re talking out of your backside.’
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The vaccines are still in clinical trials. They will be until 2023.
If the government attempts to force or coerce anyone to take these vaccines before their trial period ends they will be in violation of the Nuremberg code.
Fact
J to the o to the e,
So now it’s, “if the government ‘attempts’ to force…”
Perfect concern trolling. If the best you’ve got is that the date on paper for the trial is 2023, then you have no critical thinking skills. I’ve had both shots of AZ with nothing but a headache less severe than reading some of the pish on here. Friday night’s chicken curry was in my system longer the vaccine. No wonder people take this site to be full of conspiracy crackpots.
In fact, as far as the Nuremberg code is concerned they already have breached it.
As have anyone on here receiving a paycheck for attempting to deceive people on the nature of these medical products.
‘
Balaaargh says:
24 May, 2021 at 6:28 pm
J to the o to the e,
So now it’s, “if the government ‘attempts’ to force…”
Perfect concern trolling. If the best you’ve got is that the date on paper for the trial is 2023, then you have no critical thinking skills. I’ve had both shots of AZ with nothing but a headache less severe than reading some of the pish on here. Friday night’s chicken curry was in my system longer the vaccine. No wonder people take this site to be full of conspiracy crackpots’
———
Really? That’s all you have got. I’ll take that as a tacit statement ‘yes, you are right’.
Your not on a payroll for this are you? If so you could be up shit creek sometime in the future.
@breastplate 5.42pm
That’s a crap argument though isn’t it? The vast majority of the population will for good or ill be guided by the scientific consensus. We accept doctors, clinicians, virologists, epidemiologists etc aren’t infallible and that mistakes can be made and are made.
However, the man on the Clapham omnibus is going to need a lot more than: “Ooo..these vaccines haven’t been properly tested” before they’ll accept that modern medicine has in general gotten this wrong. Our own experience in this country surely is that we came perilously close to things being much worse than they were in the (already bad) first wave before vaccines were available.
Many of the issues since then, and many deaths, can be attributed more to poor political choices, lack of preparedness and the government ignoring scientific advice or liberalising too early.
Of course there is an argument to be had about the details and how we handle things. It is possible to make the argument that we shouldn’t worry too much about vaccinating the younger generations. Some people (mostly it has to be said on the political right, libertarians and those with an axe to grind about prioritising the economic recovery) are obviously fairly sanguine with an outcome that would allow the metaphorical piles of bodies, but the general public aren’t convinced.
In general the populations of most countries have accepted limited curtailment of liberties as a necessary evil: they may have concerns about details, but the general policy and the scientific consensus…? Not so much. Those punting alternatives have signally failed to make any headway: in part that’s because they lack evidence, but it’s also because many (tho’ admittedly not all) are fringe nutters.
Joe,
There are already plenty of references online for debunking any mention of the Nuremburg code.
I’m not going to engage with your conspiracy BS trolling any more. Even if I was on a payroll for anything, like everything you’ve said here, you’ve got zero evidence to prove it.
@Andy Ellis
Note at the beginning of this particular episode of Covid my concern is the use of vaccine passports.
If people want to inject themselves with diesel and flash around a wee bit of paper showing themselves to be good little lemmings I don’t care.
Just that I won’t be coerced or forced into taking it under current circumstances and I would like to get people who feel that way into thinking as a group with group interests.
Belarg. Are the samples based on a PCR test? Those websites seem a year out of date and don’t you remember the virus was downgraded to no more than a flu in April 2020?
Human trials are ongoing. These are brand new RNA treatments and only time and the Yellow Card scheme will tell. We are being strung along for the benifit of big Pharma. Even if I believed the vaccine to be safe I would refuse on the principle that Government has no right to lock us up and detain us until we do what we’re told. There’s also no way I’m falling for Government websites. They are liars.
I see they don’t mention side effects that seem mostly blood and heart related. You’re really working your arse of aren’t you?
Ian Brotherhood says:
No acknowledgement that many folk are capable of scrutinising the available evidence and have made an informed decision to avoid the thing.
Reply
Reason for ‘disgusted’ listener to be even more disgusted.
These people you describe would have known in advance they weren’t going to turn up. Pretty selfish not to inform the NHS that they didn’t want the vaccine and allow others to have their appointment.
Ian Brotherhood @ 6.02
Like you Ian I’m no longer interested in arguing the toss about this , if people can’t see where it’s going , preferring to blame the * fill in meaningless insult of choice * that’s up to them .
Just want to say your comment is spot-on and exactly my own take/fear about the very likely course this will take .
I would just add that in Germany there are already restaurants and bars displaying signs saying unvaccinated people will not be allowed entry .
Welcome to Covid Apartheid
@Balaaaargh
No, there will be records somewhere if you have received payment for engaging in misinformation to promote these experimental substances.
The reason you ‘dont want to engage’ anymore is because im right.
Personally, if humanity manages to win this, im going to try hard to get the position of hang man to be personally involved in the removing of the kind of scum who have been payed to deliberately misinform people on this subject.
I’ll even do it for free. And i’ll fucking whistle to work.
Andy,
You may think it’s a crap argument, my point is it should be a personal choice.
If you want to be vaccinated, I believe that should be your choice but conversely if others want to die a slow agonising death (as some may see it) that should also be a matter of choice.
Robbo, try and get a coherent argument together before you start mouthing off ffs.
I hope you are enjoying a well deserved break. You are badly missed. One can`t help but feel there is something boiling below the surface that needs explored. Hopefully you will be back.
@Ian Brotherhood 6.02pm
You’re prioritising your rights over those of others. You are of course perfectly entitled to do so, but equally those whose rights you are attempting to supervene are entitled to argue that enjoyment of your rights shouldn’t infringe theirs.
It’s unlikely Covid will require you to be detained à la Plague Mary in the 1930’s, but you can hardly cavil if the logical outcome of your determination not to be vaccinated is that you are denied the opportunity to go on holiday to some destinations, or denied entry into bars or restaurants which require proof, or denied certain jobs.
Many of us have pondered the implicit conflict of competing rights in other areas such as the GRA and TRAs insistence that the rights of trans people should be prioritised over those of others. You appear to be arguing in exactly the same vein in favour of the rights of a small minority of vaccine deniers being prioritised over those of the community as a whole. That doesn’t seem logically consistent to me.
Robbo. Would you like a banana?
Ruby,
Do you believe everyone should be vaccinated?
Belarg. You are completely full of shit. Sling your Government arse you fool.
Interesting tweet about Tate & Lyle.
Anyone know who is going to benefit most from the Australian Trade Deal?
Is Tony Abbot still working for the UK Gov?
Andy to be a vaccine denier then you have to deny the right to exist of all vaccines. The Covid vaccines are currently under a two year drug trial. They are not the finished article. Last week there was a chap on BBC News 24,who was explaining that although it stops vaccinated people suffering Covid to the extent that it requires hospital treatment, it doesn`t stop them being carriers of the virus. He stated that scientists are starting tests to see if a third vaccine is needed. Today there was another chap on the telly who stated that the effectiveness of the vaccine declines after a few months. Back to that pesky third vaccine. He also stated that herd immunity was impossible to achieve and that whilst we had vaccines that didn`t stop vaccinated people transmitting the virus then the virus would continue to mutate and we would need to keep finding new vaccines. So whilst it may make sense for some people to be vaccinated due to health issues, what are we actually achieving by vaccinating people who are able to fight off the virus when we don`t have a vaccine that can eliminate the virus?
Apologies to who this was actually addressed to but I can’t help myself:
Andy Ellis said:
‘You appear to be arguing in exactly the same vein in favour of the rights of a small minority of vaccine deniers being prioritised over those of the community as a whole.’
Firstly, we are not a small minority. Secondly we are not ‘vaccine deniers’. We are skeptical of the current situation.
Your entire thrust is totally and deliberately disingenuous.
Just because I don’t want to eat at McDonalds doesn’t mean I don’t like burgers. Get it?
Belarg. Does the Nuremberg code strike a raw nerve? If you’re aware of Dr Feulmich maybe you realise how strong a case he is building against the criminal covid lockdowns and the attempt by the banks to bring down our economies to go tilting at insane Green windmills.
Andy Ellis,
I’m not sure you understand the situation.
In what way can an unvaccinated person cause a vaccinated person harm that no vaccinated person can?
You seem to believe that there is a heightened risk of harm to you from an unvaccinated person. Why do you believe this.
You have already admitted and accepted that vaccinated people can still get the virus and can carry the virus, it is quite plain that if the vaccine works as you say and mitigates the worst of Covid then it is the unvaccinated that are at a greater risk.
Please explain why I’m wrong?
Andybhoy,
Agreed.
Breastplate says:
24 May, 2021 at 6:46 pm
Ruby,
Do you believe everyone should be vaccinated?
Reply
Yes
And E. People will be guided by the Media who don’t let anyone step out of the government line that’s why they’re fooled into taking part in a mass gene therapy experiment. I’m sorrybut I think and feel my humanity would be compromised by a DNA altering medical experiment. I don’t think you realise how serious our predicament is.
A very good day to all comrades out there who still think for themselves. We have both sides of the argument. We are entitled to make up our own minds. No asshole has the right to co-erse us.
Ruby. How very Stalinist of you.
Ruby,
Here’s the hard question, why?
Ruby. There’s no shortage of appointments for that ” vaccine” believe me.
@Shocked
“everyone let’s her off and blames someone else.”
I don’t see anyone here, self included, letting her off with anything. There just happens to be more than one individual in a position of power who is taking the opportunity, provided by her and her party, to f*** Scotland over.
As Breeks suggested earlier, it doesn’t really matter whose particular agenda is driving things towards the cliff edge: Big Pharma £, Yoons, Yanks, Brit Spooks, or all of the above. What matters is there’s no light at the end of the tunnel while Sturgeon and her lackies are in the driving seat, and she comes top of the list of who’s responsible for this ever declining basket case of a country.
Andy Ellis says:
“Of course there vaccines work. Being vaccinated doesn’t mean you can’t still catch Covid though does it? It appears that having been vaccinated does however mean if you are infected with Covid, you are likely to be less seriously affected“
‘It appears” It appears where exactly ? Can you provide source evidence that that is the case?
As for long term effects, well I could be wrong and if so please correct me, but unless someone has invented time travel then it simply is not possible for standard long term tests ( 5-10) years to have been conducted in the time available. Again if you know different please put me right on that. In essence no one knows what the long term effects could be.
Are you aware that Governments around the world have assured the pharma companies that legally they will not be held liable for any bad side effects. I have no idea if that such legal ‘protection’ is also provided to our Doctors and Nurses who administer the jabs.
“ . It also appears that if you are infected post vaccination you are likely to suffer less severe symptoms than if you haven’t been vaccinated, even after only one dose.”
It appears again, what exactly, what is this ‘appears’ based on?
So in summation your position appears to be( if I may borrow an oft used phrase) that
1. You are unaware of how effective the vaccine actually is but it kinda works you think, or so it appears
2. You have no idea if anyone is legally protected if anything should go wrong
3 You have no idea whether any testing was done to ensure that you will not suffer any consequences long term.
Thank you for that, that should definitely put those flat earthers in place
“ I’m just some guy on the internet who has to weigh up the evidence I hear on the news”
Well there you go, can’t argue with that. The news. Yip.
Andy Ellis. Your attempt to guilt trip a man is dispicable. If your vaccines work what are you worried about?
Breastplate says:
24 May, 2021 at 7:02 pm
Ruby,
Here’s the hard question, why
Reply
For the same reason I think everyone should have a smear test, a mammogram, do the bowel cancer screening test, have the MMR vaccine etc etc.
Can I suggest you watch last week’s Alex Salmond Show for a more informed opinion vis a vis the Covid vaccine.
@Pixywine 7.00pm
Oh dear. You think the vaccine alters your DNA. It is to laugh. Do you think it’s a plot by Bill Gates to track you via 5G too…? We’re done here.
You can’t educate pork.
Ruby,
Surely I can’t need more informed after receiving your explanation of why everyone should be vaccinated?
Doctors and Nurses or anybody else who administer these experimental vaccines do not have the same legal protection as big Pharma. What? Did no one say?
@President Xiden 7.06pm
What else are you suggesting lay people do? Amongst everything else you expect them to do what…? Do advanced research into the matter? People will naturally look for information from easily available resources. They’ll decide on the basis of what they hear on the radio, TV, on-line and what they read. The general public see and hear their governments presenting courses of action: they can take that advice, or they can ignore it.
I don’t know what your background is. I don’t honestly care. Even if you have a PhD in virology, it wouldn’t necessarily make your take right, and mine wrong.
Governments often provide the kind of waivers you talk about…so what? They do it for satellite launches because if they didn’t no company would risk the potential liability of a failed launch taking out a city or a nuclear power plant.
Still, flat earthers presumably don’t believe satellites are real either huh? 🙂
No Andy nothing to do with 5G This is about DNA altering therapies the next generation of “vaccines” Look into it before you call people crazy. And besides. It’s a year and a half later and you’re falling for media propaganda you wouldn’t have fallen for in 2014.Selectively obtuse
holymacmoses – try this one, see if you get much play …
“vaccinated” is a social construct and is a continuum
Andy. No advanced research is not necessary only common sense. Do you remember that stuff?
I know, I expect there are people out there who claim it’s impossible to put anything into orbit without it falling down towards Earth. Dafties eh?
@Andy Ellis – 24 May, 2021 at 3:01 pm
Thank you for your reasoned and calm response.
I think you are pulling back from your earlier “flat earthers” jibe and acknowledging that proof of long-term Covid vaccine safety does not exist. That is good enough for me.
One sentence of yours stands out:
“We can only go by the data we have now and do the best cost benefit analysis we can.”
That is fundamentally my point. For young, healthy people, there is no cost to catching Covid. Most of them won’t even know they have it. Once they have had it, they will naturally have some immunity.
The cost to them of taking a vaccine with potentially unknown long-term side effects exceeds the cost of a dose of Covid.
I am much older. I have had my two AZ shots. Why not? I probably will have left this life before any long-term side effects can kick in. And meantime, a dose of Covid will be serious, potentially fatal, for me.
So to me it’s simple. We have already wrecked many young people’s lives, locked them up, ruined their educations, saddled them with government debt that will take them decades to pay off, so that many of us can sit at home on full pay. Now we expect them to risk their health also? Maybe we should acknowledge they have already sacrificed enough and cut them some slack. I thought the idea of the young being sacrificed to protect the old went out of fashion after 1914-18.
I generally take your point about expert opinion on whether engineering, building, car mechanics or an aircraft is safe. Sure, life is too short to pry into the details of everything.
Costa Concordia. Grenfell Towers. Boeing 737 Max. Do these recent stories ring any bells? Who knows if some of the dead people on that ship, in that building, or on the two aircraft that crashed were being told by their companions that they should stop fretting and trust the experts?
Breastplate says:
24 May, 2021 at 7:19 pm
Ruby,
Surely I can’t need more informed after receiving your explanation of why everyone should be vaccinated?
Reply
🙂
It’s up to you Breastplate I tend not to rely on info posted by some anonymous person on the internet.
Imagine if I were relying on Pixywine for my info!
Andy. I’m disappointed in the poor quality of your arguments which descend “it appears” into abuse and denial.
@Breastplate 6.55pm
1)” I’m not sure you understand the situation.
In what way can an unvaccinated person cause a vaccinated person harm that no vaccinated person can?”
That’s not what I said. My understanding is that both vaccinated and unvaccinated people can pass on the virus. From what I’ve heard, already vaccinated people who are infected can still get ill, it just won’t be as bad as it would have been if they weren’t vaccinated.
2) “You seem to believe that there is a heightened risk of harm to you from an unvaccinated person. Why do you believe this.”
That’s not what I said. I suppose an unvaccinated person might be more infectious, or be more ill / have a higher viral load than a vaccinated person. That’s something for a virologist to clarify, not a lay person.
3) “You have already admitted and accepted that vaccinated people can still get the virus and can carry the virus, it is quite plain that if the vaccine works as you say and mitigates the worst of Covid then it is the unvaccinated that are at a greater risk.
Please explain why I’m wrong?”
That part of your response isn’t wrong. If they insist on remaining unvaccinated they would be at greater risk than vaccinated people: that’s their responsibility. It’s no different to someone refusing to be vaccinated against anything which can be vaccinated against.
@Pixywhine 7.32pm
There isn’t a violin tiny enough.
Somehow I’ll soldier on under the crushing burden of your disapprobation.
Ruby. Don’t take my word for it. Dr Sam Bailey on YouTube. Vernon Coleman on Bitchute. Inform Scotland might also be useful to you
A little more nuance is required in discussion or there’s potential to enter into polarising hate speech territory.
There’s a difference between being an anti-vaxxer / vaccine phobic, and being vaccine critical… 😉
Andy Ellis,
Thanks for the response, we agree apart from an unvaccinated person being more likely to spread the virus.
There is no basis to believe this, I would argue the logic that a vaccinated person with the virus is more likely to be out and about spreading the virus than an unvaccinated person because the symptoms that would send an unvaccinated person to bed feeling ill would be mitigated in a vaccinated person feeling well enough to go to the pub or restaurant.
Ruby. Professor Suneptra Gupta.
Andy for you I recommend Sleazy P Martini.
Anyway Andy,
Thanks for the debate, I’ve other things to catch up on or I’ll be in trouble, take care.
So just to ask the question again – has anyone else found themselves getting to a line in the sand on this?
Personally im simply not going to go any further with this shite. I think im happy to live no longer than I already have if it means the future will be a life of mandated health ‘security’ and breaches of international law all while constantly being lied to by 3rd rate politicians.
It was very uncomfortable getting here but now that ive arrived im pretty content. It also means I don’t fear outcomes like I did before.
Im not going to be inched along, hoping that by accepting just a little bit more some miracle will happen and it will be alright.
For any who might think im being ridiculous – im happy to reconsider when the government stops fucking lying to me. While the lies and misinformation continue I am not cooperating.
I think there’s a lot more out there who are thinking similarly to me but wont express it or perhaps do so differently.
Everyone. And you Ruby. Check out Dark Horse podcast. They are scientists. There is no excuse for ignorance certainly not before a drumhead
@John Main 7.31pm
Meh…maybe “flat earthers” is provocative, but people need to stop trying to tone police the whole internet. We all know there are indeed many fringe nutters in the anti-vaxxer movement. It’s not unique to Covid19 of course, many of the same arguments were made in relation to MMR.
The potential danger of young people not being vaccinated is more likely to be in them passing it on to others – even those already vaccinated – some of whom in any given population will likely be in vulnerable categories.
I take your point about the damage done to young folks education and prospects, as indeed the prospects of economic damage generally, but those are societal problems to be tackled by the people as a whole demanding the government find solutions by investing and promoting a generally fairer and more equal society. No easy answers admittedly, but erring on the side of vaccine scepticism is a step to far for me.
Looks like in future the Five 0 might have less time for chasing those dangerous sticker applicators.
link to twitter.com
Derek says:
23 May, 2021 at 9:01 pm
Dan says:
23 May, 2021 at 5:00 pm
Yet another episode in the Destiny of Spear series…
I wonder if she believes in the westworld?
Ooops. Theatre of Hate.
@Andy Ellis
In your world someone who is of vanishingly small risk of having severe covid symptoms (a child) should still get the vaccine. Not only that even after they have had covid AND had the vaccine they can still contract covid again?
You don’t think this is a little…umm…off?
Couple this with the PCR and death statistics fraud and it is clear as day that something is very wrong with this narrative.
The only people doing the ‘policing’ online are people like yourself desperate to shut down any conversation that goes off the acceptable track.
But the good news is a number of new billionaires have been created in the pharmaceutical industry. Its about time they were rewarded for their always remarkable and selfless contributions to our health.
J.o.e., you’re not alone in feeling the way you do. The future is bleak, very bleak, if we continue down this path.
Here’s the truth folks. The pharmaceutical industry have refined their list of competing organisations and factors throughout the years.
Initially it was other pharmaceutical companies.
Then the realisation that is was the ability of governments to properly regulate them.
Then it was natural non patentable remedies and sources of health.
The finally the bastards landed on the number 1 competition for their products:
Your immune system.
@robertknight
This has absolutely nothing to do with anyone trying to fuck Scotland over. Get a fricking grip of yourself. You don’t have to look at everything through the prism of Scottish independence. Nicola sturgeon is just a corrupt lying bastard out for herself.
No bloody wonder the country is in the state it is when people can’t even see what’s in front of them. What a number she’s done on you.
Pixywine,
The way of the world today is for a lot of people to make a decision before hearing all evidence, only people who get on MSM news must be right, as evidence has proven the likes of bbc block and blindside many politicians or scientists,
Many people never search for facts and very few think other than what they are taught to think, through behavioural psychological.
You will never change the minds of those that are trained throughout early eduecation into the present, they do not even realise they have been trained to follow the in theme of the woke.
That can be seen by how many youngsters have taken to the trans movement, climate change and privileged white male syndrome, men against women.culture,
I have not had the vaccine, as I had been to I’ll with other issues, and that made me research and question the vaccines
MSM is state funded, so I did not turn to them knowing that a lot of them had quality and honesty problems.
I learned there are hundreds if not thousands of other doctors and scientists across the world and in every country not in agreement with the few employed by governments,
And truly their voice are censored to an extreme,
I consider that people bodies as yet are not government owned, but if governments force the vaccine on people, and it becomes mandatory, then we will be goverment owned, and their will be more deaths than covid by itself would ever have killed,
The likes of people with severe allergies, cancer patients etc, whose bodies could not cope with the vaccine itself.
People whom shout others down in a self righteous manner about vaccines are just as guilty of self centred behaviour, and perhaps pressuring others Into a situation that may kill as those whom supposedly won’t take a vaccine,
People are calling and accusing you of being a nutter, but you’re just ahead of others in you’re research,
I remember outing the snp in 2017 and 2018 for their behaviour before Rev Stu, I was mocked or ignored,
Sometimes when you’re ahead of others it’s frustrating as you realise the damage that is being done while waiting for others to find the documentation or facts.
That is where I am, waiting, for others to catch up, to check the facts. I am sure others will hear us both screaming with frustration from miles away for different reasons.
Don’t ever give up,
@Joe 8.20pm
I’m not trying to shut anything down. I’m persuadable that adults should be prioritised and that it may prove unnecessary to mass vaccinate all children if that’s what the scientific evidence supports. Though the numbers may be small some children do get very ill and there have been deaths: isn’t it better to ensure to the extent possible there are zero deaths?
I know there’s an argument and concern that we’d be immunising children for the good of society as a whole and herd immunity rather than specifically for their benefit, but until and unless there’s an alternative I just don’t accept your line that there is “something very wrong with this narrative’.
As for your point about big pharma’s profits – or indeed those of any multinational – I share the general concern. It’s not necessarily a Covid only fight.
Another excellent blog from Ian lawson.
Those who stay silent in the SNP at the corruption going I should be ashamed!
THE FASCIST STATE
“Andy Ellis says:
24 May, 2021 at 5:12 pm
Of course there vaccines work. Being vaccinated doesn’t mean you can’t still catch Covid though does it? It appears that having been vaccinated does however mean if you are infected with Covid, you are likely to be less seriously affected.”
Well it’s not a fucking ‘vaccine’ then is it?
If I get vaccinated against smallpox or yellow fever then I don’t catch it.
Are you saying we have to live in lockdown/ ‘special measures’ forever, even with 100% vaccine coverage?
You and Sturgeon are fucking mental
Fuck…… predictive text.. Agggh…
Those who stay silent in the SNP at the corruption going on should be ashamed!
@Pixywine (7.54) –
Thanks for the heads-up re Dark horse podcast.
Wasn’t aware of it. Looks very interesting.
😉
Derek says: at 8:17 pm
“Ooops. Theatre of Hate.”
Ha ha, I did catch your Westworld post Derek. 😉
And talking of repeating scenarios…
For the oldskool in da house.
Back once again till the next tweet disaster
SNP Damager with da ill behaviour
Back once again till the next tweet disaster
SNP Damager ,less power to the people…
Wildchild Renegade Disaster – Rhiannon…less Spear, more like Boomerang makes the now customary partial return to the twitter.
@Shocked – What we have at Holyrood is total corruption, worthy of a banana republic. I have just received a letter, via the forensic MSP for Dumbarton, from John Swinney. It was sent on 17th May which was his last day in charge of Education.
In it he said that the school which everyone and their granny says is ready to fall-down is actually safe. It’s safe because he says it’s safe and because the city council says so too.
So, we all have to forget what the Professor of Engineering says and what the consultants and academics say. John Swinney and the council say it’s OK.
All at Holyrood just treat the public routinely like shit and it is high time they closed that joint down.
If you’re vaccinated with a vaccine that works against a particular virus, then YOU have protection against it.
However, you can pick the virus up on your hands, or whatever, and pass it on to someone who has not been vaccinated. You, as a vaccinated individual, could breath it in, then breathe it out, onto an unvaccinated individual.
The more of the population who are vaccinated, the less chance there is of any unvaccinated individual contracting the virus, through “contact” – actual or aerial (adj) – with a vaccinated carrier.
Yes things are disintegrating on this website. Lots of people trying to shut the site down. SNP hired guns in the main. They shot the law to pieces to the extent people have to leave Scotland. A great victory for them. Let’s look at my tax return. Soon there will be no S in front of it. Enjoy!
C`mon the Dee. Less travel for Dons fans and Dens Park has always been a happy hunting ground for us. Dons, Utd, Dundee, Hearts, Hibs gives a better balance to the league with five east coast teams and less of the west coast dross.
Hi Benhope.
On this momentous night, a song from that part of my childhood spent in Dens Park, during 1964 and ’65.(Before I got my Saturday job.).
Hello hello,
How do you do?
We are the boys in dark blue.
Where’ere we go,
We fear no foe.
We are the Dens Park dynamo.
Poxywine,
If you think I’m full of shit, then phone them up and ask them
iii-ins-enquiries@glasgow.ac.uk
Tel: +44 (0) 141 330 8411
I’ve given you links, you have nothing.
@Brian Doonthetoon 9:05pm
I am made up for you. I am from the other half of the toon. Although there is no divide. So happy for you.
My first game at Pittodrie was against a very good Dundee team in the sixties. I remember the blond Ian Ure was playing. I think that was the team that went to the European Cup semi-finals. Good times for Scottish football before the gruesome twosome took over.
@Andy Ellis (6.44) –
What an extraordinary statement.
Where would you draw the line in dealing with people like me?
You seem quite sanguine with the idea that we shouldn’t be permitted to work, travel, or have a social life. Blimey…
Would we still be allowed to vote? Can we be trusted to raise our own children? Would you prefer that we be ghettoised in some way?
@Ian Brotherhood 9:35 pm
It’s load pish Ian. Hospilisations and deaths are the key parameters. You can listen to Linda Bauld if you want but she only wants to show her latest flowers. Luckily we have family working in the NHS. Covid is largely over. Remember save the NHS?. You’all got to die sometime. Start living.
@Ian Brotherhood 9.35pm
Is your sense of entitlement without limit? Is every cafe owner or business person obliged to let you enter their premises? Do you expect automatic entry to every country irrespective of your status or their rules? Do you have a gun boat?
I’d prefer you just grew up. Looks like I’m going to be disappointed, huh?
Good grief.
@Tannadice Boy –
‘Hospilisations and deaths are the key parameters.’
Aye.
Does anyone know if it’s possible to get the burials/cremations stats for Scottish council areas without the palaver of FOI requests?
Hi Tannadice Boy.
My Grandad and his brother were taking me to Dens in the late 50s. I got more enjoyment out of collecting discarded matches in the south enclosure and setting wee bonfires.
When I experienced my first summer football break, my grandad told me it was because one of my wee bonfires had burned down the ground. Aren’t ‘grown-ups’ twisted?
Onnyhoo, I started supporting Dundee that afternoon in 1962 when they won the league. I thought I should support a local team, rather than a Glasgow team.
I’ve never felt any animosity towards United, the “other” Dundee club.
Mackay, Miller, Briggs, from memory. Then that Ivy League song, quoted by various Scottish managers –
“I can’t sleep at night,
Dossing and Persson.” (©People’s Journal.)
Because of my Saturday job in the late 60s, the next match I was at was a United New Year game in the early 70s. I think it was against Celtic, but that may be a false memory.
Then the 1995 Coca-Cola Cup Final at Hampden (my pal’s dad couldn’t go so I got his ticket), Dundee against Aberdeen. Big Country were the half-time turn. Dundee snatched defeat…
I am now an ‘armchair fan’. I like to see both Dundee clubs ‘gittin on’ but my preference is still Dundee.
@Andy Ellis (10.00) –
Huh?
My ‘status’?
People who don’t accept the jag will be assigned a ‘status’?
Would that involve some form of insignia?
Hi Benhope.
Slater, Hamilton, Cox.
Seith, Ure, Wishart.
Smith, Penman, Cousin, Gilzean, Robertson.
THE Dundee team!
I was at the Anderlecht and AC Milan games at Dens.
Ian Brotherhood 10:00pm
Don’t ask the SNP. They will basterdise every statistic. Ask your family about where the NHS is at. My family have had a hard time. No doubt about that. But they are ready to move on. The BBC will say otherwise they no longer represent the people. An untrustworthy source of information. I have I got an agenda?. Perhaps but I am waiting on the arrival of GB news.Things can only get better.
I use ONE email address for Linkdin – and use it nowhere else.
A couple of years ago, that email address started receiving emails from both the labour party and the tories.
They have continued. Somehow both parties, obviously, farmed email addys from Linkdin.
Data protection laws?
Onnyhoo, just received this email from ‘notso’ Priti Patel…
Our immigration system is broken – and we will fix it.
We will ensure it reflects the values and the wishes of the majority of Britons.
Because for too long, too many politicians were indifferent to public opinion about this issue.
And now the British people simply want the firm and fair immigration system they have voted for.
One that welcomes those most in need of sanctuary and slams the door on dangerous criminals.
That’s why today I set out my vision for an immigration overhaul to deliver on the people’s priorities >>
Home Secretary – New Plan for Immigration
Watch my Speech
We have already made substantial progress:
? Ending free movement
? Introducing a points-based immigration system
? Publishing our new plan for immigration to break the business model of people smuggling gangs
? Removing 800 foreign national offenders this year
? Announcing greater powers for Border Force to stop small boats
? Introducing our global talent route for leaders in key fields like science and medicine
But we are relentless in our pursuit for improvements.
So REDACTED, summed up in one sentence, what’s next for immigration is wholesale reform of the system.
Watch my Speech
Anything short of that would not be fair, would not keep our country safe, and would not meet the demands of the British people whom I serve.
Who simply want an approach to immigration that is fair but firm.
And – at long last – finally have one.
Yours sincerely,
Priti Patel signature
Priti Patel
Home Secretary
I found this statement telling…
“One that welcomes those most in need of sanctuary and slams the door on dangerous criminals.”
So, what happened in Glasgow was an attempt to deport a chef and a mechanic, who had lived here, as asylum seekers for over 10 years – because they were “dangerous criminals”?
Dinnae gibber braille, my Priti.
@Brian Doonthetoon 10:04pm
I am delighted for you. My Uncle was in the 8th Army Division ala the Desert Rats. He took me to Dundee games but my first game was with a neighbour boy in Fintry. The poor people’s side United. Or at least that’s how it was framed at the time. Rubbish I know now. Well done Dundee from Tannadice Boy.
A lassie in Canada I think was calling undertakers and recording the calls asking about increase in work through the covid situation. They all seem to have been normal.
Sturgeon has hand picked her team of dummies who will all testify to not seeing a thing.
Hear no Evil
See no Evil
Speak no Evil
Some of us stuck to the rule of not Voting for the SNP because we knew what was coming down the line.
Others decided to vote for the darling of Covid and see how the cards fell.
Time will tell.
Andy. There is an alternative. That is getting our lives back and pulling ourselves and the country together.
You people who don’t mind taking part in a gene therapy experiment have lost your minds. You’re throwing out 200 years of medical knowledge and basing everything on the spurious PRC test. Belarg. If this is all I have – which it is not- that’s enough. Offering yourselves up for experimentation run by Tory Government. So much for Independence
Yossarian;
“I have just received a letter, via the forensic MSP for Dumbarton…”
L O L
Anyway Brian Doonthetoon I have to ask this question. When my Uncle took me to Dundee games. He used to sing an 8th Army song. I never understood it so I will say it phonetically. Mon de la goose, de la goose… Anybody any idea what this meant.
THANK YOU NHS WHISTLEBLOWERS.
I have my Yellow Star ready Andy. By the sound of you it seems I might need it. It says on it ” Gene Therapy Refusnik” On the back is the legend” This Star is my Honour”
My Grandad on mother’s side was in the 8th Army also. And here we are pissing away the freedom he fought for.
Goodness me the SNP shitebags are still up at 11:30pm just when we were enjoying a good moment. The new Scotland.
HI Tannadice Boy.
Huvnae got a clue about the 8th Army.
My Dad was RAF.
Doesn’t Andy Ellis get it that it is not medically ethical to force treatment on someone in others interests?
A medic can only recommend treatment in an individuals own medical interest.
The idea that we should inject a brand new ‘vaccine’ with identified – even if very rare – side effects into thousands of perfectly healthy children is repellant, medically and morally.
Josef Mengelé would be proud.
Confused says:
24 May, 2021 at 7:29 pm
holymacmoses – try this one, see if you get much play …
“vaccinated” is a social construct and is a continuum
I’ve just popped back and found this — it’s not as good as the first one – but it’s good:-)
Ursula von der Leyen President of the European Commission giving a statement on the Belarus incident on European News just minutes ago then went on to talk about the Northern Ireland Protocol which the EU are backing strongly.
Minutes later on switching to Sky News you get the Belarus then SKY commentators talk about it as Ursula von der Leyen is muted so you do NOT get any of her statements on Northern Ireland.
So much for a free Press in the UK, they are all Unionist to the core as well as being imbeciles, have they never heard of the Internet !!!!!!!!!
@Brian Doonthetoon 11:54pm
Enjoy Brian an achievement for your team. Of course we are going to gub you 3 nothing in the first match. Unfortunately I won’t be there. I woke up last Saturday to a surreal experience. Hibbees scarfs etc everywhere. Nobody likes to lose a cup final. Even worse when you have no stake. So temporarily in Edinburgh. And soon to move. I don’t belong in Scotland anymore.