The long way home
Normally when I go back to Bath after spending time in Scotland, it’s with a mixture of sadness and happiness, because – usually after a delightful but exhausting round of racing around working and catching up with family and old pals – I’m returning to the place where I’ve made my life, where most of my friends and familiar comforts reside.
This time it feels different.
Because I don’t think I’ve ever been this scared for Scotland before.
Very much like Bath, Edinburgh is a city that feels European. Full of both tourists and folk from other countries who’ve come to live here, it has a cosmopolitan atmosphere where people from all nations, colours and creeds mingle and get along, in the way humanity has dreamed of ever since the cataclysmic wars of the 20th Century.
But because it’s in the United Kingdom, that’s about to end.
By openly-admitted design, the post-Brexit UK will be a “hostile environment” for anyone without a pure-bred British family line stretching back for generations. The notion that those from other lands or with different heritage will be welcomed warmly as “Jock Tamson’s bairns”, our own brothers and sisters in humanity, is already dead, not by Scotland’s choice but that of our much larger “partner” to the south.
England’s problem with immigration is a myth, in reality almost entirely an economic creation of right-wing UK governments – both Tory and Labour – who deliberately underbuilt houses to inflate prices and suppressed wages and then blamed foreigners for the resulting poverty and misery inflicted on anyone not fortunate enough to have been blessed with the bounty lavished on the “baby boomer” generation.
(Free education, council houses given away for pennies, adequately-funded public services financed by sustainable levels of taxation, liveable wages and all the rest.)
But Scotland’s situation is much worse. Far from having “too many immigrants”, we need lots more to support our ageing population. But the UK government is turning them away in their thousands to placate a minority of racist idiots in Middle England swing seats, and even forcing out those happily settled in Scotland for years and making valuable contributions both to the economy and their communities.
The dark foreboding fear of the ugly Britain of the imminent future is especially striking somewhere like Edinburgh, if less so in places like Bathgate (where I normally stay when I come home, unlike this week). But Brexit will wreak damage everywhere, in profound ways that people don’t yet have an inkling of.
Edinburgh itself has changed very noticeably in the last few years, something that’s perhaps much more easily apparent if you only see it once every year or two. Since the indyref campaign it’s become a lot more reminiscent of the Welsh capital Cardiff which I visited this month, itself just an amplification of the rest of Wales.
Every other shop in central Edinburgh is now a tartan-tourist-tat emporium hawking an ancient Harry Lauder stereotype of kilts and shortbread and Nessie and Jimmy hats and (more incongrously) red London buses and phone boxes.
I walked around for the whole of yesterday morning searching in vain for any kind of shop I even fancied a wee browse in. What used to be restricted to the Royal Mile and isolated outbreaks on Princes Street is now everywhere.
It smacks a lot of what you see in Wales, less in tacky souvenir shops (though those are still very much present) but in the defensively chippy prominence of the Welsh language – an overcompensatory assertion of difference and faux nationality to cover up the fact that neither country has the courage to actually be a nation.
To this observer, it seems in Edinburgh especially to be a clear reaction to the 2014 No vote, having – at least apparently – snowballed in the last five or six years. (The tartan-tat phenomenon is much less apparent in Yes-voting Glasgow, but that may be simply because Glasgow gets far fewer tourists.)
So as I type this on a train racing south past Newcastle, I feel a vague gnawing guilt at leaving Scotland behind to await a fate over which it voluntarily surrendered any agency or influence four and a half years ago. (“GIVE AWAY CONTROL!” might as well have been the No campaign’s slogan, an ironic mirror of Leave’s.)
Scottish politicians protesting the impact of Brexit on Scotland in the Commons are hooted at and jeered and actively shut out of all discussions and negotiations. Our destiny lies solely in the hands of those who appear to despise us – perhaps at least in part for our lack of bottle when it counted.
Nobody, after all, ever won respect through cowardice.
Meanwhile our country’s supposed champions within the UK government, its 13 Tory MPs, meekly acquiesce to whatever their Imperial masters tell them, lacking even the animal cunning and backbone of Northern Ireland’s DUP to extract a few financial concessions for Scotland in return for their compliance.
At least the “nobles” who sold Scotland out in 1707 had the wit to get paid for it.
But we are where we are, and 2014’s No voters will have to live with what they’ve brought down on Scotland’s head. I fear the next time I visit Edinburgh the once-proud “Athens Of The North” will have become even more of a cringing, shaming see-you-Jimmy theme park, a playground for the wealthy just like our vast and wasteful grouse moors – a tragic pastiche of a nation, an unbearable loss.
There’s still time to avoid it. But it’s running out fast. For everything we cherish about Scotland now, and for the outward-looking, international Scotland we dream of being in the future, it’s much, much later than we think.
Wonderful essay Stuart. Be well, be back soon.
What a gut punch of a post… the clock is ticking and honestly, it feels like indyref2 needs to happen now and if the people of Scotland are stupid enough to say no again, they deserve what they get.
Brexit has played out enough. It was right to try and fight the worst excesses of the right and try and mitigate the most insane ideas that spewed out of it but that ship has sailed now. No one could accuse Scotland or the SNP of not working in and with Westminster to come up with a better plan or way.
The EU is meeting on the 10th before that 12th deadline and if it goes according to the Brexiteers’ plan, on the 13th the UK can just tear up devolution with no comeuppance from outside while it continues to tear itself up from the inside.
May and the Tories show utter contempt for Scotland and Scots. She is a dictator. Once Brexit takes place the English government of the UK is likely to act to disempower Scotland even more than they have done. The House of Lords have already had the first reading of the Act of Union Bill, intended to prevent Scottish independence. (link to services.parliament.uk) I think that after Brexit this bill will be quickly progressed.
The Scottish MPs in Westminster need to withdraw and join with the Scottish Parliament in revoking the Treaty and the Act of Union. immediately appeal to the EU and the UN for support, and hold a confirmatory referendum. Then as an independent state negotiate with the Government of England Wales and Northern Ireland (not the UK because Scotland’s independence will end the UK) for a just partition of the assets of the old UK and what share, if any, we take of its debts. Former Ambassador Craig Murray tells of how this can be done legally under International Law. link to craigmurray.org.uk
Sadly if we don’t go for Independence very soon, then we might never ever get it. Don’t know how we will achieve it but we need to do it before the next Scottish parliament election or we might never get the chance again. So Nicola when ?
I feel the same. Some No voters till stick their chin out and refuse to even listen, or say why they want to continue England’s social and economic rule over Scotland. Depressing.
This is a beautiful text. I feel exactly the same about the sense of Europeaness in Edinburgh, and in the rest of Scotland to a larger extent. Maybe because I myself am a European citizen living in this country, I feel more attuned to that spirit. I dread to think what Brexit will do to it if we don’t unfetter ourselves quick enough and let England follow this downward spiral on its own, if it so wishes.
In any case, I still hope that Brexit euthanises this Union once and for all: link to brawblether.com
I do so hope that you are wrong but fuckin hell, that has got the tear ducts going, I’m like you, I’m scared for Scotland’s future, I’m scared for my nephews and niece’s future, 2 of them are not even in school yet and already their future looks bleak unless they get good qualifications and able to get a good job.
My sister and her fiance are now considering a future in Canada, this is almost like the forced exodus of Scots leaving the nation again, it happened in the 80’s as well, all my aunt’s & Uncles left Scotland to get a job, one went as far as South Africa.
I do hope that we do break those chains from Westminster rule but……….
“At least the “nobles” who sold Scotland out in 1707 had the wit to get paid for it.”
Tru dat! Now we have a bunch of house jocks looking down on and screwing over the rest of us field jocks.
I suspect if a general election is held soon, the British nationalists MP numbers will drop but as 2015 showed 56 SNP MPs made no odds and neither will an increase on the current 35.
I found that article rather wistful and moving Stu. You bring to mind the old maxim “To see ourselves as others see us”, by our great bard.
You are right of course. We are slowly and inexorably being engulfed by a neighbour State ,now more intent than ever in destroying our identity, just as Wade tried after the 45.
They thought we were in a box and now they know that the spirit of our forefathers still resides within us. It resides within everyone who makes their home here and works and raises a family.
Scots went to Europe to live and trade for generations. The Auld Alliance is proof of this. Scots are still regarded with fondness every country I have visited or worked in.
I am not a blood and soil Nationalist, but rather one who has a vision just like you, of a country welcoming to all regardless of origin. They are Scots regardless.
I think the next referendum will be our last and only chance to fulfill our vision for Scotland. I want Unionists to understand that they will become serfs rather than equals in a vassal state in perpetuity.
We must do this. Vote for freedom. God knows we might make a mess of it, but we will do it as free men and women, blaming no one but ourselves.
Thank you Stu. I literally have a tear in my eye writing this.
You have touched my very soul this morning.
I am not so gloomy, the uk will do our work for us.
Scotland faced with chaotic right wing rule from England far more obvious than has ever been, the people of Scotland will make the right choice.
It could be quicker if labour in Scotland viewed right wing rule by English tories as less desireable than left of centre rule by Scots over Scots, a future that labour in Scotland could shape and be part of.
My main concern remains that brexit happens, Johnson of Gove take over and the Scottish Parliament”s powers are returned to westminster whilst austerity rumbles on……..
As every day goes by I have an increasing sense of foreboding that, unless the Scottish Government has a constitutional rabbit poised to be extracted from the hat, we’re witnessing something akin to what in 1707 the Earl of Seafield described as ane end tae an(ither) auld sang.
I hope Nicola and her decision making inner circle read this article, because you speak for a great many of us. I still have faith that they will deliver Scotland from the existential threats we face. But jeez, they really do have to make a move soon.
It will never be ‘too late’
Wasn’t too late in 1707
wasn’t too late after the military defeats of 1715 or 1746
Nor after the agent provocateur inspired ‘rising’ of 1820
Not too late after the Clearances, both Lowland and Highland, desperate blow though that was
Not too late when the Home Rule Bill of 1913 was passed but never implemented
Not too late after the hideous losses of 1914-1918
Not too late after the National Covenant Petition was rejected in 1948
Nor when the Yes vote in 1979 was ignored by sleight of hand
Not too late when Scottish industry was destroyed during the 80s
Not too late when the Scottish Parliament that 74% voted for was sabotaged and hamstrung in 1998
Definitely not too late when we almost won in 2014!
It’s not too late now, and we go when we can win, not before
When I turned on to Independence in the 80s, Support was 14% Fourteen percent. There was no Scottish Parliament and little hope of getting one.
Independence support is maybe 48% now, with Brexit (if it happens) likely to push us over 50%. It’ll go over 50% in about 3 years, irrespective of other factors.
It would only be too late when Scotland ceases to be a nation. Given that has not happened in 312 years, it isn’t happening
That said: when they are done with the immigrants, they will come for the Scots. Best were are not in the UK before that, and are prepared for any eventuality
I’m 100% with you on this, Stuart. Mind you, I usually am!
I’ve lived in a street just off the Royal Mile for the past fifteen years, and, particularly over the past five years or so, it’s been apparent that almost every shop that closes is immediately occupied by yet another of these tartan garbage emporiums, blasting their horrible pseudo-bagpipe music into the street. Can there really be a market for all that rubbish? I don’t know if it’s really a symptom of the Scottish cringe or if it’s just determined money-makers exploiting the decline of high street shopping, but I certainly don’t feel it represents genuine Scottishness or benefits the people who live in Edinburgh. What use are multitudes of ‘Nessie’ trinkets and pictures of kilt-wearers revealing their posteriors to local residents?
I’m absolutely disgusted at the way Scotland’s reputation as a country welcoming, tolerant and friendly to all peoples is being trashed, too. It’s sickening. Our independence cannot come soon enough.
Incidentally
well worth a read, and all profits go to First Base foodbank
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I’m a Leither born and bred. I moved up north a few years ago and no longer recognise Edinburgh. I did some of my training in Armadale/Bathgate in the early/mid 90’s and often wonder how much it has changed.
Nice insight to a bizarre situation.
Very much what I was thinking the other day. I want to live in a country I can respect but there is something massively cringey about many Scots.
Edinburgh, the most No city does trade on the Scottishness it doesn’t want. The pride in Edinburgh Festival depends on the world and the performers are in future going to have a hard time getting here. The hassle simply won’t be worth it.
The booming visitor trade, created by Scottish ‘history’ films, again reflects a Scotland ProudScotButs despise.
Scottish independence is hated by Tories, Labour and the unions because it won’t let them put Scots in the appropriate boxes.
They hate it because we wouldn’t be fighting their political wars. We could choose a different future that doesn’t stick us in endless conflict, fighting small skirmishes for small changes.
Yes, it’s late in the day and certainly no time for contemplating our navels. Amongst many existing unionist No voters there is probably a lingering belief that it’ll be alright on the night and grim reality won’t dawn for many of them until the full horror plays out but by then it’ll be too late. Although much preparatory work has been already been done by the Pro-Indy groups, there’s still a massive job ahead converting those who still remain unconvinced.
Like many of us, Nicola will be champing at the bit for the off but the decision to fire the starting gun is one where the timing has got to be spot-on. I’m confident she’ll get it right.
Scotland was better while you were here, Stu. Haste ye back.
You’ve captured perfectly how I felt on the morning of the 19th of September, and again on the morning of the 24th of June. We escaped to the Netherlands, and I can’t ever see us returning now. But that doesn’t stop me being scared for Scotland.
I feel we Scots are like sheep in a field.
If the sheep put their heads together, acted as one and understood the concept of strength in numbers, the sheep could charge the fence, knock down the dyke or jump it, or even buckle the gate by sheer weight of mutton, wool and initiative and be free to wander at will as nature intended.
But they don’t. They have been conditioned to understand they are trapped because a farmer shut the gate. The farmer provides adequate food, adequate water. Everything they could need, except freedom… yet it never dawns on them why the farmer does that, and over time they have allowed the need for food and adequate water to become a chronic dependency.
We voted no in a referendum. I mean let’s not dwell on the fact they cheated, they lied, they indoctrinated us, they manipulated the agenda, they stole, they steal, they conned us. But no, let’s focus upon ourselves because all the shite worked and we voted No. They closed the gate on us, and we all said “oh well, that’s that then”, and went back about our business in our comfy wee field.
Scotland! The place where you can find the highest quality domesticated produce in the word. Scotch Beef, Scotch Lamb, Scotch voters…
Charge the fkn gate Scotland. Break it. Prove we’re not sheep, or prove that we are.
Building the Brexit picture:-
link to irishtimes.com
SINÉAD MORRISSEY
“Coming from Northern Ireland, so much of Britain seems broken, on the edge. My commute to work is twice as expensive and the trains are at least twice as unreliable. Some of the trains are so old they resemble buses. Library services in Northumberland have been devastated. Councils are declaring bankruptcy and the NHS is in crisis. It doesn’t seem to me like a country that can withstand Brexit, no matter how ardently roughly half of its citizens may desire it, and yet over the cliff we go. It’s a terrifying prospect, made more terrifying by the staggering ineptitude of our politicians and the chaos reigning in parliament. Go it alone? Right now, Britain doesn’t seem like a country that could fight its way out of a paper bag.”
That put a lump in my throat.
What graphic novel is that clip from?
Moved out of town to escape a city which has been wholly given over to the needs of the Uni’s, the (welcome) tourists, and as ever, the unco guid.
I remember a town where you’d struggle to get a pint after !0pm of a Sunday night.
It could be quite grim too.
Maybe this is what inevitably happens when most of our institutions are run and staffed by colonists.
Be positive. The high street is failing. Next door is a charity shop. Same in England.
Remember that there is a common sense demographic in England that will act as a brake on excess. What we are winessing in England is a cornered elite trying to keep it’s position and privilege intact, hamstrung by FTTP and archaic process. Let it play out.
Should auld acquaintance be forgot,and never brought to mind?
Should auld acquaintance be forgot and auld lang syne?
And surely ye’ll be your pint-stowp! and surely I’ll be mine!
And we’ll tak a cup o’ kindness yet for auld lang syne.
We twa hae run about the braes, and pu’d the gowans fine;
But we’ve wander’d mony a weary foot sin auld lang syne.
We twa hae paidl’d i’ the burn, frae morning sun till dine;
But seas between us braid hae roar’d sin auld lang syne.
And there’s a hand, my trusty fiere! and gie’s a hand o’ thine!
For auld lang syne, my jo, for auld lang syne, we’ll tak a cup o’ kindness yet, for auld lang syne.
Scotland’s Independence looks more and more like a tourist stranded at a foreign airport because of a strike by airline cabin crew.
Brexit is about the Tory Party & the English Establishment. It’s not about Scotland. But we still have to pay for it.
Vote only SNP. Vote Yes for Independence.
I do feel that Scottish Government/SNP post 2014 to 2015 was like a partner in a bridge game who misread the signals.
2014 a huge uprising of membership in the SNP was a signal, look partner, I have all these winning cards, 2015 electing 56MPs, look partner I really do have a handful of winning cards, support me, but they passed.
@ Stoops
V for Vendetta
Powerful.
Tacky? I take it you’ve never been to Dublin, a lovely city that actually had a real blood-on-the-streets uprising, but for as long as I can remember has has been submerged in tourist tat every bit as bad as Edinburgh.
Perhaps we should raise an army of resistance.
Passive resistance.
I have no doubt at all that England will leave Europe, indeed, Europe are on the point of kicking England, and poor Wales, out.
Edinburgh has always had that ‘MacDisneyworld’ element to it.
I’ve not been through in a decade or so, but remember the Tartan Tourist Traps and Greyfriars Bobby/Burke and Hare tat from as far back as the seventies.
The ‘Military’ Tattoo has always got on my nerves; England’s Imperial Military Might on show in the heart of the Scottish Capital every summer…
I attended once, refused to stand for GSTQ at the end, and left feeling much like Indians must have felt when the British Lord High Commissioner laid on shows of strength to frighten the natives in Victoria’s Jewel In The Crown.
We are on the edge of reason now.
Remember the Red Arrows flypast at the opening of the Glasgow /BBC Commonwealth Games?
I am a European Scot, not a ‘British’ vassal serf in England’s colony.
WE must act now, not is some future dim and distant unspecified date as part of the corrupt Election system manipulated by our English Colonisers.
There will be blood.
Without independence, Scotland’s future will be next door to the Neighbours from Hell, whose principal skills are thieving and dumping.
Breeks at 10:47 says:
I feel we Scots are like sheep in a field …
Very well said, Breeks.
Dinna fash yersel Stuartie…Edinburgh has never been and never will be Scotland! It’s the final countdown…Macron and others do not want a whole load of Farages being voted in in elections in May to a future EU parliament so we’re out on the twelvth and that’s the end of the Treaty of Union!
Bloody hell Stuart, are things not bad enough without you making me suicidal?
“”…the once-proud “Athens of the North” will have become even more of a cringing, shaming see-you-Jimmy theme park, a playground for the wealthy…””
Do the wealthy like to like to hang out in a see-you-Jimmy theme park? Who knew?
What a cliche of an article.
Yes there are shops selling tartan tat in the Royal Mile but there are just as many, if not more, selling high quality, crafted Scottish goods and showcasing the best that Scotland has to offer.
People really need to get out more if they think this is in any way a true reflection of Edinburgh.
Stuart, a fine, moving piece.
It was nice to know you were near by for a while Rev Stu and am so glad that you were eventually having a good time with friends =)
(For next time, Gy Chinese Carry Out, on Rosneath Street, Marchmont is excellent)
The ‘tat’ shops (which I loved as a child) filled the void as the waves of recessions hit small businesses in the centre of town and many individualistic craft shops (and the Robot Shop on St Mary’s Street) and so many Scottish jewelers, book shops and proper sweetty shops! gave up the ghost. Just recently, even Coda music shop at the top of the Mound retired.
Yet there ARE still amazing shops like The Scottish Craft Shop down the High Street, the antique map shops, the Lighthouse Bookshop, Mr Thingy’s fossils Shop, That Hat Shop, That Lovely Woolly Shop in the Grassmarket and the other one on the corner of St Mary’s Street, the Fudge shop, and the shop in our Parliament is pretty decent. There are loads of great of wee shops if you know where to look. Certainly, it takes a bit more searching than it used to…
Thing is, I fully expect there to be a blossoming of creativity and enterprise in our Independent Scotland. (and the cheap and cheerful touristy shops will have their place too!)
But your serious note Rev Stu. Your recognition of Edinburgh as an International City, what could become of it and fears for Scotland’s future…
You know there are some things for which we will not stand.
It is over. Scotland (the Scotland that up till now had not committed itself to Scotland’s Independence) has now been shown what we do not want to be a part of…
Even Morningside is beginning to see Independence as the only way to remain within the European Union, whatever the previous voting inclination (and this was always going to be the hardest nut to crack!)
I know things are dicey but I really do believe that we are getting there.
My biggest fear, I’m sure many other people share it to, is that very quickly, post brexit, The Scottish Parliament will be suspended until things ‘settle down’.
No platform to organise a referendum and a country stripped of all powers.
I have yet to hear or see any mention of this possibility from the SNP leadership.
I think it will land like a sucker punch and we’ll be left with a lot of hand wringing abut its “no fair” and lots of angry tweets from the SNP leadership and little else.
I hope I’m wrong.
Good one Stu.
What angers me is the stupidity of our fellow Scots, too lazy or too bigoted to learn.
Ignorance is a choice. There can be no excuse.
I have advised my children, who are fortunate enough to be qualified in areas which make them employable in most countries, to make plans to leave Scotland should we be unsuccessful in obtaining independence in the near future.
I am too old to emigrate and I will be sad to see the kids leave but there appears little choice.
I am sorry for young folk who do not have the education or skills to leave the future for them in an English run Scotland is bleak.
Read this twice, you might need to!
Nigel Dodds!! on the BBC:
“We will look at any option. At the end of the day why should we believe that it was right to vote Leave? When we were in the EU people were quite happy with that in N Ireland because we were there together with everybody else.”
Michael Stewart hit the nail on the head yesterday when commenting on the pro Brexit March. What we witnessed was the English and British Nationalists making their move to make the UK an unwelcoming place for anybody but those of British stock.
It was ugly and resentful, and more importantly what they want to make of Scotland. Flute bands playing archaic anti catholic music, hand in hand with xenophobic and far right politics.
That is what they see as our ugly future. Not me.
I will fight them all the way. That is not my Scotland. That is not decency or humanity. It is exceptionalism as it’s very worst, aided by politicians like Davidson, Thomson and the rest of the Tory clique in Scotland.
I tell you all truly. I have saved many lives over the years and not once did I ask them their race religion or politics.
I did not hesitate to help any fellow human in distress.
That is my type of Scotland. The very minute we step back from confronting what we now see as normal on our streets we are in real trouble.
Racism and intolerance is on the rise in the UK, and we must be rid of it. England public opinion has spoken, but not for me. It has given its weight to exclusion and a false dream of an Anglo Saxon UK, which only permits foreigners as required to serve them and their needs.
We have ‘something worthy to fight for. The betterment of humanity, and acceptance of differences.
Let’s do this. If ever I needed reminding of where we stand then this article today has done just that. I will fight.
While agreeing with most of what you said it is my contention that for a huge element of NO voters they want Scotland to be properly colonised by England. This has accelerated in the post WW2 period as Scotland has everything England needs, green space, farmland, forestry, fishing, water, renewable energy and our old friends OIl & Gas. I believe it has always been the intention to impoverish Scotland particularly since the SNP took control has given it extra impetus. By slowly turning the screw they hope to put the blame at the door of the nationalists and Brexit is giving them the ideal opportunity. Job done.
[…] Wings Over Scotland The long way home Normally when I go back to Bath after spending time in Scotland, it’s with a mixture […]
MAN AND BOY — THANKS for the Irish Times link.
Interesting reading an Irish view of “Britain” and the “UK”.
It is in fact anglocentric.
It is about the North East (of England), London (England). In effect the article is a view of Englishness in in the world of a Brexit England.
Sadly our Irish cousins did not comprehend or comment on this.
There is a German word, Weltschmerz, a world sadness.
I feel your pain and share it. Please come home soon.
@ Manandboy – what Nigel Dodds has correctly noticed is that leaving the EU will precipitate Scottish Independence and the end of the Union, which is the only thing they care about.
link to archive.fo
The fate of all popular destinations for visitors has been inflicted on Edinburgh like all these destinations and become unrepresentative of the country or culture they’re in
Benidorms without the sun sea and sand where the once local people become the traders and marketers selling the Scotland that doesn’t exist in reality to feed the imaginings of the tourist who believes the tat they’re buying is a reflection of the tour guide or the tourist bureau’s descriptions when they bought their ticket to come
Tourists however don’t really want to buy reality because they for the most part couldn’t afford the distances they’d have to travel to afford it so they hope to experience the spark of what they thought they believed they saw in a documentary or read in a book all within a mile or two, and the tat they buy is only a reminder of that, they know it’s not real, I guess what really hurts is that we wish they could experience the reality and the visitor experience would be much better and more enhanced by that
Scotland’s people are the biggest selling point in our tourism, buildings castles Tartan and cobbled streets are all fine and good for the image but the welcome of the people is by far the most important thing we have and if we can maintain the enthusiasm heart soul and pride of the country we live in Scotland we’ll be a fine destination for any tourist to experience
There’s maybe one thing more I’d say to all restaurants and hoteliers, don’t fall down the well of the *full English breakfast* stupidity like the Spanish Costas it’s embarrassingly horrible touting for business in that way, you only need to advertise *breakfast* people generally know what food is, you only need to have it on the menu not on some big A board on the pavement so people can come in and not talk to you as they’re pointing to a badly photgraphed picture of unappetising faded food outside then ask if you have English tea because they didn’t know that tea doesn’t actually come from England and no matter what tea it is it tastes better in Scotland because our water is better than mostly anywhere in the world,
Sell the water not the bloody tea
Emotive piece, Stuart.
And agreed; Edinburgh is fast approaching overload with these gacky tourist shops. I was there a few weeks ago and noticed the glut of them. Edinburgh, like Scotland, deserves so much better.
And that bring some me to your central tenet – that of the current atrocious predicament Scotland finds itself in. I am a normalist: it being normal for a country to rule its own affairs. English rule is an abnormality, and, if anyone was in any doubt about the ‘UK’ being a dictatorship, the last two years (never mind 312 of them) have shown us just what Grot (not sic) Britain is all about.
The shameful antics of the Gammons in London yesterday is the rank icing on a shitty ‘UK’ cake. We need to get out.
But England won’t allow that. It was always afraid of attack from what it – obviously – regards as its exposed northern flank.
And that makes it extremely unlikely that the English state will accept ANY expression of independence for Scotland. Relations with England will, in my view, get even more hostile.
And then what for Scotland? As you allude, we do a roaring trade in sheep and… oops, almost mentioned the ‘t’ word there. We all know what I mean. Those who actively work against their country’s best interests.
The time is coming when we must make a stand.
Lovely reflection Stuart, if not a wee bit pessimistic.
We in Yes campaign are fired ready to wk the walk talk the talk and take us to Independence.
Don’t get me wrong I am under no delusions it will be easy.
Rev, what a fine piece of writing. Upsetting and melancholy. Even though I trust, and kind of understand SNP strategy, I’ve really taken a bit of a step back, I can’t be angry and disgusted ALL day, it’s not healthy.
@TheBuchanLoony 11.22
Those are my thoughts too. I think the EU decision will be:
take the deal;
revoke A50;
walk.
After all, from the 27 view, they have had to shift, compromise and prepare for No Deal. They have all lost trade to some degree. They have really important elections to fight against Populist parties.
Do they want to risk a long extension, knowing May is already toast, and KNOWING, as we do, what will take her place?
They are mostly sensible and rational people, and the only pressure will be from Varadkar for a long extension, and I think they will say, sorry, it’s coming, so let’s rip the plaster.
I will be staggered if they conclude otherwise.
@Capella 12:02pm
Who would have thought it eh Nigel Dodds and the DUP are running the Tory party in Scotland as well now
What power a party who doesn’t even represent the wishes of people of where they live (NI) have that they can hold England Scotland and Wales to ransom
Rev, you are one of Scotland’s most valuable asserts.
I actually fear for what life would be like without your enduring
Quest to right the wrongs of the corrupt few that make the UK
a waste land without truth, justice or morality.
Reading a pensioner’s daily Hail, bought for their
Weekend supplement, Frau Emma Howling extols the virtues
Of shining Scottish Tory Star Annie Wells, such a hard worker.?
Well it seems her fascist sister lives in fear because of threats?
Wonder if a Bookie would give me odds on our SNP First Minister
Having 100 plus threats for every 1 Annie Boakly or Calamity Jun gets?
Howling then suggests that SNP are stone deaf and clogging a dead horse with Independance ?
Mmnn Her Right wing Tory pals don’t seem to hear the 3 Times No of Westminster,
They don’t hear the Million people protesting against Brexit in London, and have already
Rejected the 6 MILLION people who signed the Revoke Article 50 petition.
They won’t even head it if it has 10 million signatures because the UK is run by Tories for Tories.
Howling has also turned deaf on hearing the massive support for Independance on No Deal Brexit
But then again she nor the Hail do truth as it gets in the way of propaganda.
I’m certain that most Scots wouldn’t touch Welks or Howling with a barge pole so that are physically safe. Mentally not so safe!
A lot of my family have worked and lived in Edinburgh. It is a beautiful vibrant city that now seems hostage to its precarious reliance on the financial and tourist sector. From having quiet confidence in itself it is now at the mercy of those who would use it for their own end. The Fringe, the Winter festivals, Air BnB – all seem to be ripping the heart and soul out of Edinburgh now.
I agree the ubiquitous Union Flag is everywhere for – a not so subtle stamp of UK authority, ‘Brand GB’ for the unwary tourist or visitor. It used to be that Edinburgh tat always had its own identity, now it is generic UK tat.
One relative said it was the best place in the world to stay as a student but immediately you graduate it becomes a foreign country, out of the reach of most who want to stay there. Despite that many of my family have settled there but they agree that the confident European cosmopolitan feel is diminishing.
Edinburgh has always been a comfortable outpost for the London exile transferred against their will. They have made it home from home and in doing so have increasingly removed what was good about it in the first place. With the massive investment in the new Scottish Office, the colonialism is increasing in pace.
We really really need to get out of the UK.
It’s good, that with your keen eye Stew,
That you put into prospective what changes you feel have come about since 2014.
We,who are here all the time,need an “outside” view, if only to make us more aware of the changes,if change are indeed needed.
I think England, if its a no deal as looks likely, will struggle to contain protests and unlike 1970s belfast, live rounds would make the uk a pariah state where even Trumps USA would empose sanctions should they be daft enough.
Canada and leading USA democrats have alrady said no trade deals for UK if a hard border in NI.
What is more likely is that the UK will cease to exist, just like the USSR fell apart aftervthe fall of the berlin wall.
They will struggle to contain people protesting at the lack of unicorns they were promissed.
EU journalists already say Brexitis biggest event since fill of Berlin Wall, it will end with the end of the UK.
link to archive.is
Rev, a wonderful and heartfelt piece. Quality yet again.
My opinion is :
Many people who comment on this site have noted the influx of ‘Great British’ titled programmes that have and still are infesting the medium of television.
Not once did I ever note pre 2014 this phenomenon of obvious contrived collective identity being pulped into our living rooms to infiltrate our psyche to convert and reinforce an imaginary concocted sense of ‘British’ identity being force fed into the minds of the weak minded.
So Brexit is easy to understand when we have a media that has obliged in promoting a false narrative to unite a disunited populace.
This deliberate and calculating eroding of any individual sense of identity one has with one’s own nationality….Scottish ?….no…no it is ordained that one must identify as British first and foremost.
Since when was it seen as wrong to want to be identified as just Scottish ?
Nationalist ?…..No ….that is wrong if you identity as the wrong kind of nationalist…then you are identified as a separatist….and one where you are categorised as seeking to subvert and separate all that is being done to promote a (British) national exercise….a project not to Unify us but to condition us into identifying as one people …..i.e. British.
I have no problem with English people who seek to promote their English identity as being distinct from mine as a Scot but I do have a problem when I am asked to diminish any sense of my own nationality…..as if to identity as Scottish not British is seen as subversive….however English identity over British is permissible and acceptable.
John Redwood in HOC was allowed to ask ‘ Who speaks for the English?”…..is that wrong ? Well yes it is considering the majority within the HOC represent a majority of English constituencies AND those who dare to , as a minority, speak for Scottish constituencies are derided and identified as small minded for seeking a voice for their constituents who are Scottish. It is also wrong because as an Englishman, John Redwood, can publicly ask this and not be perceived or called out as a ‘separatist’ but as a proud nationalist. However he at least recognises and acknowledges this distinction ….God forbid an SNP MP should highlight the same sentiment for Scots within this unequal and pseudo British public forum.
British identity is and always has been broken and does not, as a concept of identity, work. Now more than ever it is exposed as a sham and no amount of propaganda will resuscitate what is clearly now terminal.
Brexit has exposed the division within each nation that has always existed but has been suppressed and diminished by those complicit within the media and politics to maintain the status quo and quell the rebellion that we now see being unleashed…not just in Scotland but very much in England.
Now that England has spoken…….I think that now IS the time that Scots should also speak and be heard….because now is the time more than ever that we should seek to be free of the shackles of British nationalism once and forever.
Indyref2…..oh yes.
More poll news from Progress Scotland.
link to progressscotland.org
Och man. C’mon Hoots any. No flipping likely. There are plenty Elections coming up. GE, EU elections/Ref, IndyRef to tell the halfwit unionists to get lost. Plenty of time from now to forever. With the demographics working in favour.
Things are changing in Scotland for the best after Devolution. The only time the population has risen. Forth Crossing, AWPR, less fuel/energy and emissions, uni fees, nursery care, social care, borders railway, no bedroom tax, new affordable public rebated hiyses (6,000 a year). New Hospitals SHNS supported. Education funded better. Increased apprenticeships.
Westminster Illegal wars, financial fraud, tax evasion and Tridrent have cost Scotland dear. The Oil revenues taken secretly and illegally by the Westminster criminals and liars.
Everything to play for in the next few years. To get rid of the Westminster crooks and lying murdering criminals. Just vote SNPSNP. Vote for Independence. Get one other to vote as well. Everything will change in Scotland/EU/World for the better. Break the Westminster damaging dominance. Just vote.
@Ghillie
@Derik fae Yell
@Bob Mack
etal:
Cheered me up anyway.
Getting near a conclusion and we need to win.
PS:
Rev not having a good day, he forgot about the footie at Tynecastle and now some unwelcome fellow traveller sitting too close in the train carriage. 🙁
PPS:
Good Moaning Scotland had a wee cameo this morning from a reporter summarising the DUP Brexit stance, their policies and the NI stalemate in Stormont.
Hope he’s got a secret address somewhere safe. 🙂
We think we have problems with Labour and the Tories. Pfftt!
A horrendous vision of England’s future …
link to mobile.twitter.com
Folks say Brexit has caused such nastiness, I think it’s been built up over the last decade by sub-fascist newspapers before Brexit became a thing. The roots of an uncaring, me-me society derive further back from Thatcherism. Austerity is idealogical, purely to shrink the state. Ordinary people suffer and get angry. One thing is certain, it’s all being driven by a far right agenda.
Vote SNP/SNP in Edinburgh and Aberdeen etc. They will clean up the mess in the town centre. Spend the monies better. Build schools and spend monies in essential services. Instead of the total expensive grotesque monstrosities concrete mess in the Cities. Pedestrianised green spaces. Instead of concrete jungles. Wasting £Billions of public monies. Getting into unneccessary debt.
1989 is thirty years ago. I remember it like yesterday. All the countries in Eastern Europe we had thought were enslaved to the USSR in perpetuity started to break free. Places that were little more than names and dotted lines on maps within a single colour block appeared as their own identities.
Hungary, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, they started it, and then it was like a domino array. Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania, Bulgaria, really I don’t remember it in as much detail as perhaps I should, but it all happened in such a rush. Estonians who were acquainted with the London branch of the SNP (the branch sometimes met in their cultural centre) said, with stars in their eyes, we never thought we’d get there before you did.
For these past 30 years I have felt that Scotland’s independence would most probably happen as a result of some sort of political turmoil rather than straightforwardly from a purely negotiated process. And I felt that maybe that turmoil wasn’t going to be all that pleasant while it was going on.
We’re getting the turmoil. It’s happening, whether we want it to or not. We can’t escape it. Can we seize the moment as the Eastern European countries did and come out the other side with a real future to build? Or will we just let it all slide? Again?
Glasgow can ban loyalists marching contaminating the City, ruining the local economy. Just as has been done in other Cities.
Very good article, but a wee bit sad to read this. Scotland will be ruined when Brexit kicks in, and we are dragged out of the EU, and others I speak to think that too. It seems some are happy to see that happen.
Hope Scotland isn’t taken back decades, because that is what Brexit will do, with bells on.
The last ten or so years have seen big improvements in Scotland, after three hundred years of Britnat rule, it will take a few more years yet to repair the damage.
It’s not done and dusted yet though, got to stay positive.
UK shouldn’t be worried about a No-Deal Brexit, says Donald Trump as we’ll be front of the queue to have a ‘deal’ with the US.
Get yourselves ready to say “farewell” to the NHS and “£uck sake!” to the cost of your new health insurance premiums.
@Morag,
Not this time Morag Scots watching English protestors dragging Muslim effigies around the streets of London by a rope around the neck, all the while accompanied by flute bands playing anti catholic tunes will surely ask if this is the future of Scotland.
Hateful,spiteful and ignorant.
We have been asleep. We are trying to hang on whilst our heavier climbing partner has fallen of his bilet They will drag us down to that abyss from which they may never return.
And for what? Dogma of hatred is what. The same dogma that enslaved the people of Germany. Blame ,scapegoating acrimony and jealousy. Blame that will end in death.
Is that what we want for our future?
Scotland had to get Devolution, after voting for it. It was twenty years later. Another Tory failure. it was recognised Scotland had less democracy than the emerging Eastern European nations. Self determination and self governance as recognised by the ECHR and the UN. Otherwise Britain would have been thrown out of the EU and UN. The Westminster unionists did everything they could give Scotland as limited Devolution and powers as possible. They even mucked up the electoral system without a mandate to try to keep control. Lesley Evans. The civil service mucking oath.
Russia administration enabled the countries go to self governance and self determination. 150Million people. Halved the USSR population. Russia now 150Million people. Glasnost. Perestroika
The Westminster murdering, lying unionists are still clinging on to 5Million people in Scotland and the resources. The Westminster Tory lunatics want to start a war with Russia. Putin called Cameron out and supported Scottish Independence.
And 675 sheeple still voted liebor in the clack’shire council by election.
Mad cow came from Alabama and cost £Billons ruining the farming ‘industry’. In the US ’roundup’ Monsanto £Millions claim payout for cancer diagnosis. Affecting German Bayer drug company take over by Monsanto.
Just like the Brexit thingy the quest for Scottish independence has been going on rather too long. It’s becoming more than a tad, repetitive and boring: certainly for those of my generation with the flexithumbs and 10sec attention span. And like Brexit it is in the hands of people who are supposed to be ‘the’ experts and we are loyally required to trust them, implicitly.
In Scotland’s case if the politicians do screw up and the hutzpah to offer an alternative is lacking we may be heading for another century of national whinging and blaming everyone but ourselves.
The authentic Scottish cultural identity, like all such, is a fragile thing but sadly, in the popular mind, the tartan tat available on Edinburgh’s tourist trails is that identity. Unionism in all its denatured glory.
Putting up with the third rate is seemingly part of the DNA but please let us not go gently into further submission, but rage, rage, rage against the betrayal of our country.
Start the Rage!
That needed saying.
A thoughtful and thought provoking piece Rev.
Listening to the greetin face Gisela Stuart (not Stewart) and fellow brexiters. What a shower. They ooze unhappiness, gripping bile in their bellies wanting an England that never existed.
The hope of Independence is so different . A soft gentle light in an increasingly dark and troubling time.
Mad cow came from Alabama and cost £Billons ruining the farming ‘industry’.
No it didn’t. Absolutely categorically not, it didn’t. And the Scottish farming industry has recovered, it is not ruined.
@Ottoman oi,
Amazing that only now am I beginning to see the parallels between England today and Germany. I have been too focused on indy for its own sake. Difficult to see the wood from the trees on occasion. We are part of a State which is now openly accepting on our streets the perpetrators of everything that happened in pre war Germany. Imagine that for a moment.
Mosques having their windows smashed. Asian shopkeepers stabbed to death. Rises in Asian hate crimes. What are we becoming? Muslim effigies openly dragged behind protestors by a rope around their neck.
This must not happen. It is too evil to contemplate with any sense of reality.
SNP—-get us out of here.
@Breeks
Not all sheep are stupid, back in NZ many folk have ‘lifestyle blocks’ a house a couple of fields to grow something, crops, sheep, pigs, goats. One of the department techs had one such and told how they penned their little sheep flock in one quarter of the field at a time to eke out the grass using an electric fence.
Except some of the sheep had figured out the audible ticking of the fence benoted when the current ran (it is not continuous) and would time their runs at the fence in between the ticks, charging through for the grass on the other side without the muscle seizing shock.
They were thinking of replacing the electric fence with a wooden portable one as a result.
We don’t need the sheep to stop being sheep, just become smarter, more clued up sheep who realise the grass really can be greener.
I’m not sure Independence will cure the tartan tat around the Royal Mile etc though. Such commercial imperatives operate regardless. I recall accompanying the youngest through some of them in Princes St last she was back, looking for presents for the folks back in NZ. Not that Dunedin is without having a Scottish Shop of its own for a lot of your tartanry needs.
I partook when I was back for her wedding in the form of a kilt and kit to walk her down the aisle in and kept on for the Ceilidh. This being Southern NZ a Ceilidh band, in kilts was available for the purpose. Though the Scots had to correct the step instructions, for the Gay Gordons most especially.
I remember being on holiday in Ireland, about 20 years ago. County Kerry. (I didn’t go to Dublin although I’m going this year.) The “Celtic Tat” shops were worse than anything I every saw in Scotland, to a large extent because a shop filled with uniform emerald green tat looks worse than the same thing in tartan.
I’m just back from South America. Stuffed llamas and panpipes and calendars and t-shirts. We’re not going to get rid of the tat even after independence.
A short clip to cheer up Stu and the Weekenders to Wings.
It was doing the rounds yesterday and apologies if it’s already been posted.
‘Europe, let’s continue our love affair’
YouTube:
link to tinyurl.com
There’s also an edition with French subtitles somewhere.
Well that slightly depressed me on a Saturday.
O/T
BBC Scotland, where truth goes to die. The two obvious bits of lies/misinformation this week.
The SNP voted against a custom union they support. Even after being told it is CU & SM the reporter still tweets the lie.
Story of 8K of military personnel receiving up to over £2000 (how many will receive over £2k and what income would they be on) in compensation when based in Scotland. Missing from report, 37K of military personnel in Scotland who will pay less tax but those elsewhere will not be compensated.
Outstanding article.
Keep up the good work.
Tom, Dick & Harry rent an apartment in a block of flats, but in the last few years, Tom has become increasingly unhappy with their landlord and his ‘house rules’ and now ants to leave. He asks Dick and Harry to join him, but they don’t really want to leave and tell him so.
Nonetheless, Tom notifies the landlord that they want to terminate the rental agreement – which has been signed by all three – and gives a month’s notice. Dick and Harry are really unhappy with this development and telephone the landlord the next morning. He informs the two tenants that they would be welcome to keep the lease going themselves – and he might be able to reduce the rent to help.
That night, Dick & Harry confront Tom and tell him they don’t want to move – but he goes beserk and tells them they must and he won’t allow them to sign a new lease with the landlord unless they pay him ten grand each to pay off his overdraft so he can afford to move.
What should Dick and Harry do?
Re my Post at 1:35pm.
Here’s the French subtitle clip:
‘Chère Europe, vous comptez toujours autant pour nous’:
YouTube
link to tinyurl.com
The traditional ‘certainties’ of British politics can no longer be relied upon, as England’s capacity for multiculturalism appears to be broken. This poses a dire threat to the continued integrity of Scotland as a nation, not least because Scotland’s economy needs more immigration. However, Scotland has not been unaffected by the media’s sustained attack on British multiculturalism and the EU, so it’s not a simple case of us and them. Scotland also has a problem with Europhobia and racism but not as bad as England, which appears to be drowning in right-wing extremism.
link to referendumanalysis.eu
Undeadshaun In Canada the opposition Canadian Tories currently lead Trudeau’s Liberal government in the polls and Canadian Tory leader Andrew Scheer has backed Brexit and its restoration of sovereignty to the UK a Trade Deal with post Brexit UK with much more enthusiasm than Trudeau
link to cbc.ca
In the US Trump of course backed Brexit, unlike Hillary and Obama and last week Trump said ‘I like Boris a lot’ when asked about Boris Johnson and backed Boris as next UK PM. His spokesman today also reiterated the US wants to do a trade deal with the UK
link to express.co.uk
In Australia conservative PM Scott Morrison backs a trade deal with the UK and was concerned May’s Deal would not deliver it
link to express.co.uk
With the rise of Lega Nord in Italy, Le Pen in France, the AfD in Germany and Vox in Spain and after Bolsonaro’s election as Brazilian President and Modi’s in India rightwing populism is by no means just an English phenomenon but increasingly global.
Plus with the rise of Corbyn, Sanders, Syriza, Podemos, Melenchon, Lopez Obrador’s election as President in Mexico etc the left is increasingly populist too
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Crikey Stuart,
I understand why you have to make that point with such gravitas. You make it so well too.
For the sake of all our sanity, here is a little gem.
Many folk now betting That Scottish Independence WILL happen..
link to oddschecker.com
Okay it is NOT scientific, but it is a wee bit curious.
Stu., that last week must have drained your batteries to a horrendous degree. Maybe take a couple of days off chief.
@Hyfud,
You don’t live in these coutries bud. You live here, right in our own backyard. Worry about that maybe.
Why are some folk complaining and leaving at all. Why not stop to help save it.
re. British Europhobia and Brexit.
BREXIT: BETWEEN BRITISH EUROPHOBIA AND CONTINENTAL EUROSCEPTICISMS
link to institutdelors.eu
How austerity took Britain to Brexit
link to ukandeu.ac.uk
How Tabloids Were Able To Frame The Debate Over Brexit
link to en.ejo.ch
Brexit: What’s this fine mess you’ve gotten us into? (Apologies to Laurel and Hardy)
link to open.edu
With some folk’s luck. The IndyRef will not be 2019.
Lost bets on vote for YES. Bookies had it screwed up. Took any bets on YES last minute when they knew it was NO.
Lost bets on over 50 SNP MP’s 2017 GE.
Result awaiting for IndyRef 2019?
Bookies fleecing the people added by the fraudulent Pollsters. Getting paid to get it wrong. Breaking electoral Law and non democratic.
Trump did not support Johnstone’s war on the Russian border. That dirty little coward. Told Johnstone to get lost. Criminal Johnstone would not last a month. Too many corrupt skeletons in the closet. Despite the make over and new haircut. Loser. Dope on a rope.
Hello,
Normally you are bang on the money with rigorous fact led analysis. I’m afraid I’m not so sure you’ve quite done that here. And I say It’s rare for me to disagree with what you write.
Two statements that are not necessarily a priori correct:
I think your argument on “…Edinburgh being full of tourists and folk from other countries who’ve come to live here” ending after Brexit is not an axiomatic condition of Brexit. Are you really arguing tourists will be banned? Seems unlikely. Also Norway? Is that *hostile* to non-Norwegians? Being an EU member is not a requirement to be a decent country. As equally, not all EU countries are necessarily overtly welcoming to foreigners.
The second point that stood out for me:
“…adequately-funded public services financed by sustainable levels of taxation”
The argument I’d make there is, to me, funding of government, doesn’t seem less than before:
link to ukpublicrevenue.co.uk
Perhaps, it’s just being spent on the wrong priorities, and I’m sure we can probably identify/agree on many. Something at Faslane, for example.
Too many doom and gloom merchants in your comments section.
Scotland does not any section 30 order. All it takes is for the sovereign people of Scotland to give permission for the Scottish Government to REPEAL the TREATY of UNION.
We take independence first and then do any negotiating with the English Parliament, NOT BEFORE.
The Treaty of the Union of Parliaments was signed between two EQUAL COUNTRIES, any one of which can cancel the treaty.
“…t smacks a lot of what you see in Wales, less in tacky souvenir shops (though those are still very much present) but in the defensively chippy prominence of the Welsh language – an overcompensatory assertion of difference and faux nationality to cover up the fact that neither country has the courage to actually be a nation….”
So none of you so called SNP supporters can see that 90% of Welsh speakers, and even nationalists like Leanne Wood, sees this as anything but an outrageous insult on our nation, our language, our identity. Consider this – if someone attributed the quote to Nigel Farrage, who would bat an eyelid ? . Considering that Welsh is actually the language of Wales, and English the language of conquest, how on earth can you justify decrying its “Chippy prominence”. Rev, your attitude to the Welsh and Gaelic languages is invariably nauseous and typical of your English home and friends. I’m astonished no other contributor has the guts to criticise you for it. The emporor has no clothes, perhaps ?
Simon Osbourne Express nonsense. Just another load of lies. Making it up. The stinking, lying Press making it up big time to cause more trouble. Starving people to death. Losing readers faster than a sieve loses water. Most of them should be in jail. Tax evading, lying, criminal, murdering Non Dom owners. Breaking the Law with impunity. Murdoch, sleeze ball. away with £30Billion for ruining the world. Blowing the world to bits, The MSM murdering, criminal liars. Thank goodness for the internet.
Selling their souls to the devil. Never out of the Church The devil in disguise. Disney buyers. Cruella de Ville.
Express – Desmond (prono paedo) sold up at a loss to Trinity Mirror losing money. Fat and lonely he made his money on porno. Sleeze ball.
Hi Ken500 at 12:40 pm.
You machine gunned,
“Och man. C’mon Hoots any. No flipping likely. There are plenty Elections coming up. GE, EU elections/Ref, IndyRef to tell the halfwit unionists to get lost. Plenty of time from now to forever. With the demographics working in favour.”
I know there are local elections coming up in May and, possibly, a general election. Time will tell.
However, at this stage in Scotland’s history, you are quite correct to suggest that we Scots should, even in council elections, vote SNP to express a strong anti-unionist sentiment.
If the EU elections take place in the UK, the one thing I would suggest is that we need to get of Coburn. I have nothing against the Scottish Labour MPs and Martin seems to be shifting to a pro-independence stance onnyhoo.
Hopefully, if there’s a GE, the SNP will have in their manifesto that a majority of pro-independence MPs returned from Scottish seats will give the SNP a mandate to declare and negotiate independence. As long as Scots know what they’re voting for, there would be no need for an independence referendum or any Section 30 agreement.
Once everything has been negotiated, there could be a referendum to confirm EU membership. As long as the EU is “helpful” during the independence negotiations, popular confirmation of membership should be a given.
“Scottish Labour MPs” = Scottish Labour MEPs.
SHAZBOT!
@HC,
Perhaps your right, but I believe Wales voted to leave the EU as well. They also doggedly return Labour candidates to Parliament and to their assembly in spite of the current mess they find themselves in under Labour governance.
It is the expectation of feeling a party with an English based leadership will somehow make things at least palatable.
Speak Welsh all you want to promote your culture but don’t think that stops anybody from putting an x in a box to be ruled by the basically English establishment.
They neither care or worry about you apart from the power of your vote.
An S30 order can be made by the Courts, quite easily because of the lack of democracy in Scotland. The Terms of every legally binding agreement broken before the ink was dry. Westminster does not have a leg to stand, under International Law. Look at the utter shambles and mess. They could not cause more chaos. People are dying because of it.
The lying Westminster unionist sychophants acting illegal. The Courts are over ruling them every time as they break the Law with impunity. They break the Laws that they make. Lying, greedy, incompetent, useless hypocrites. The Westminster unionists. What an embarrassment. What a shower. A world laughing stock.
We do not speak Welsh to promote our culture. We speak Welsh, period.
HC
I think you’ve just described a particular state of “being” Welsh.
Back to the roots! Methodological situationalism and the postmodern lesson for studying tribes, practices, and assemblages
link to journals.sagepub.com
Cultural Roots of Values, Morals, and Religious Orientations in Adolescent Development
link to oxfordhandbooks.com
HYBRIDITY THEORY AND KINSHIP THINKING
link to tandfonline.com
Situating Psychological Well?Being: Exploring the Cultural Roots of Its Theory and Research
link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com
Very much On topic.
I have realised recently that every little thing I do to further the cause is a form of therapy. I feel I am doing something instead of just being a victim.
So all those, including the Rev, who is feeling downhearted can sign the Westminster petition for England to have a referendum on leaving the UK.
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/231563.
Currently standing at 11,269 so the Government has to respond. If it can reach over 100,000 [by Monday would be good!] it must be debated in the Commons. If only the attention of Brexiteers could be drawn to the petition it could take off – after all from the Rev’s polling we know that there is a high percentage in England willing to dump N Ireland and Scotland.
So sign and share, please!
This could be the best and quickest way to restore Scotland to normal nation status.
Speak Welsh (20% of population), but vote English. Period.
Dominic Grieve deselection campaign being led by someone who not only stood against him as Ukip candidate in GE 2017, was a UKIP local council candidate and local branch chairman of Ukip, but also stood for the UKIP National Executive Council in 2016… now a Conservative…..
Billy Mitchell infamous BBC QT spokesman….failed UKIP candidate…ingratiating himself with Tory Lord Michael Forsyth on same QT programme……Ruth Davidson’s Tories in Scotland…embracing the REAL divisive fringe in Scottish society via welcoming Orange separatists who jump off the sinking UKIP ship…..and climb on board the Tory UKOK cruiser…home from home it would seem.
See a pattern…..yes I know you all have noted this pattern already…but while our media fail to highlight this far right take over ……our fellow less enlightened Scots remain oblivious to the path that is being ventured down….
@ Sarah @ 3.17pm
I have already signed this…..we need the momentum from the English on this….hopefully twitter peeps will pass petition onto appropriate targets on Twitter …..let the ‘proud Scots but’ have their eyes open as to how little value they hold with their fellow ‘Brits’………..
@Clapper57: the more the merrier with this petition for England’s referendum to leave the UK. Now at 11,291.
As you say, folk on twitter [I’m not] will be able to spread it even further. Wings has plenty of “unique” [in more ways than one!] readers who can spread the word.
This may appear off topic, but neo-liberalism is the root of the problem, IMHO, so here’s some Educational Theory on the implications of England’s utilitarian approach to education (see the history of New Right educational policy). The paradigm of Anglo-American neo-liberalism we currently live under, devalues culture and undermines the state’s capacity to resist social anomie. Britain’s economy had not responded well to globilisation but there is a lot more cutting-in-to-bone to follow. Obviously, this would appear an opportune time for Scotland to choose an alternative direction.
Public Pedagogy and the Politics of Neo-liberalism:
making the political more pedagogical
Abstract
Neo-liberalism has reached a new stage in the United States, buttressed largely by the almost seamless alliances formed among the Bush administration, religious fundamentalists, neo-conservative extremists, the dominant media, and corporate elites. This article explores the various ways in which neo-liberal cultural politics works as a form of public pedagogy to devalue the meaning of the social contract, education, and citizenship by defining higher education primarily as a financial investment and learning as a form of training for the workforce.
Aggressively fostering its attack on the welfare state, unions, noncommodified public spheres, and any critical vestige of critical education, neo-liberal politics makes it increasingly more difficult to address the necessity of a political education in which active and critical political agents have to be formed, educated, and socialized into the world of politics.
This article explores how the intersection of cultural studies and public pedagogy offers a challenge to both the ideology and practice of neo-liberalism as a form of cultural politics. In doing, so it outlines how the pedagogical can become more political in the classroom and how the political can become more pedagogical outside of the classroom via the educational force of the wider culture.
link to cws.illinois.edu
Odd how there seems reticence to tell the truth and call things what they are.
Yesterday Jon Snow passed the remark “I have never seen so many white people in one place, it’s an extraordinary story.”
Channel 4 felt the need to apologise. “Jon has covered major events such as this over a long career and this was a spontaneous comment reflecting his observation that in a London demonstration of that size, ethnic minorities seemed to be significantly under-represented. We regret any offence caused by his comment.”
Jon was spot on. Why shy away from truth?
English nationalism is often ethnically based.
The most fanatical Brexiteers are far right.
There is a strong xenophobic element to Brexit.
Recent immigrants in England avoid the label English.
The undertones risk becoming much more if responsible people don’t call them out!
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What a beautiful emotive piece of writing Stu, like many on here I read it through teary eyes , but it also depresses the shite out of me , where do we go from here , who has the answer .
Are we so craven and cowardly that we constantly need the PERMISSION of our colonial masters to do ANYTHING
Breeks has been constantly derided and reviled for asking why the SG are not pursuing the legal route via the international courts , are they ? , if not why not . Nicola and others are lawyers do they not have faith and trust in the law to understand the people’s sovereignty .
I recognise the ( illegal ) indy 2014 vote but I also recognise the ( illegal ) 2016 EU vote , we are TOLD by our masters that we MUST accept the will of the 55% no vote , but THEY will not accept the will of the 62% who voted to remain in the EU
We are either in a treaty of union with another Kingdom or we have been subsumed by that other Kingdom , there is no ambiguity , one way or another that has to be ratified , the easiest way would be through the ICJ why not do it NOW
The Old Town has been devastated by AirBnB & equivalent.
Once it had a community — a large, resident population in Council-owned tenements. Shops & services existed to supply practical, everyday needs.
The less privileged “poor” had the great pleasure & advantage of living at the heart of one of the world’s greatest cities. This obviously could not be allowed to continue, especially not in a Tory-inspired hostile environment where the “poor” must know their place (which is not occupying prime real estate).
Right-to-buy saw modest Council flats purchased for peanuts & then sold & re-sold for astronomical prices because of the huge returns achievable through short-term letting. The few surviving permanent residents were oppressed by noise, partying & loss of neighbours & by now almost all have cashed in & moved away.
The City Council bows to economic arguments, defers to university demands for yet more “student accommodation” (doubling as multi-storey tourist parks), grants permission to ruin the A-Listed Central Library (for example), selling Common Good Land, ignoring air pollution and wilfully allowing natural light to be stolen — & all for a Branson hotel.
The goose that lays the golden eggs is suffocating under the weight of tourism but there’s perhaps a glimmer of hope that some sort of controls will be introduced.
There’s now an Old Town Development Trust and talk of a tourist tax & actual regulation of short-term lets.
The former Midlothian County Buildings was in danger of becoming a casino, but instead houses the French Consulate (Embassy, one day, one hopes) where there are language classes, films, a library — all in all a beacon of culture in an ocean of tartan tat & a symbol of the auld alliance.
Further out, Bruntsfield has a thriving community greengrocer (Dig-In). Morningside and Stockbridge have interesting independent shops (despite the embarrassment of countless charity shops). Leith is resisting university-led developer destruction.
So, a few grounds for optimism, but, obviously, Brexit & Britnationalism is on the verge of buggering everything.
Dissolve The Union.
Welcome back to Bath, how does the return-to feel?
It’s a beautiful day hey hey here and the sun is shining in Glasgow (showing 11 degrees), howsabout all of you Edinburgh… how do feel about the glow and the status of your HOME city?
But it is true, there is still time to avoid being in an ukUnion
And NOW… welcome back to official Spring ’19 weekend
Scotland springs forward to its own natural political evolution
Hey TJenny, aye owe you a song babe 😉
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Brexit right now feels like one of those movies, a play, or one of those Poirrot or Miss Marple mysteries that’s set in the years immediately before 1914 or 1939, when the characters are usually loafing about in a big garden with a croquet mallet in one hand and gin and tonic in the other. Usually there are two young men of “soon-to-be-cannon-fodder” age, speculating whether the declining political situation will deteriorate to war. Of course we know that it will, and that it’s likely one or other of these young bucks will pay the ultimate price in Flanders, while the other will end up with the girl and the guilt… but they don’t know it yet.
That’s the situation we’re in. It’s not war that’s all but inevitable, but the grim and bleak event on our horizon is Brexit.
When the optimist says “we’ll leave on WTO terms and that’ll be fine”, it reads along similar lines as “It will all be over by Christmas!” … No it won’t. It might be ok for one or two rich folks three hundred miles from the front, but for the rest of us it’s going to be a knee deep shit-fest of untold misery and hardship. The knob on the crappiness meter turned back up to maximum shite for poor people.
And the really stupid thing is, we’re off to war but there isn’t even an enemy to fight. The only lines of trenches at the Front are all ours, and we’ve dug up a perfectly good green field for absolutely nothing. The war maps show our positions, but not the enemy because there isn’t an enemy there. Just us. What a farce.
Brexit. What a spectacular redefinition of the term “epic stupidity”. Instead of the War to End all Wars, we’ve got Brexit. The idiocy to end all idiocies; to raise the bar of pointless collective dumb-fuckery so high we might see some redemption if it serves as a functional platform to help launch the first manned flights to Mars.
Come on Scotland. We don’t need this. Enough’s enough. Bring our MP’s home, turn off the oil at Berwick, and lets see if Jean Claude Juncker and Guy Verhofstadt are both at home for telephone calls on a Sunday.
Rev Stu says …. ” folk from other countries who’ve come to live here, it has a cosmopolitan atmosphere where people from all nations”
A plug for new Scots …
Anyone wanting to show a wee bit of solidarity with our EU friends might want to try Pierogi Najlepsze w Miescie Polish restaurant in Edinburgh. They specialise in dumplings (pierogi). How about haggis Polish dumplings for a bit of cultural mixing 🙂
This article made me very sad but I remain hopeful. I truly believe we’re almost there.
To cheer everyone up: has everyone signed the England leaving petition on the petitions UK site yet? The map, showing who’s voted where, is an absolute hoot. Scotland very keen for England to have a referendum on leaving the UK!
Wouldn’t it be great if Parliament (Westminster) had to debate this?
Get signing fellow wingers.
Mark Russell
Well Doh Mark!
Obvs Dick & Harry kill Tom, and frame the landlord for it.
Personally, I’d go with CO poisoning. Clean like. 😉
Very well put Stu, if not a bit depressing to know what our future holds, if we stay in this union.
Only independence can save us.
Rev – when I was last in Edinburgh, I felt like I was in an occupied country because there were so many Union flags hanging from public buildings.
@mikewr, 11.29
My biggest fear, I’m sure many other people share it to, is that very quickly, post brexit, The Scottish Parliament will be suspended until things ‘settle down’.
Ditto.
I have been reading about the UK’s covert military actions link to consortiumnews.com
Then I learn that the UK Army is planning three military operations right now- Operation Yellowhammer, Operation Brock and Operation Redfowl(?)- to deal with the fall out from a no-deal Brexit. So what happens with a call for a referendum from a suspended parliament? Are we going to find out why the Operation was called Yellowhammer?
Nana may already have posted links to this article “The SNP must stop trying to save Britain and instead resolve to dissolve Britain” link to archive.is
We need to take action soon. Dissolve the Union.
defo
Anything else you’d like to reveal about yourself? 😉
A difficult read Rev.
When a city sells out on its heritage so completely that it exists only as a tacky version of what it used to be, it’s going to be hard to ever get it back.
I do hope your black mood is only temporary. From the article it sounds horribly like you’ve lost heart.
Don’t worry Stu, (in her dreams), British Prime Minister Sturgeon and the SNP will save Britannia and Britain’s Scotland colony with their England’s People’s vote (#2).
Your Comments remind me of What i often think of Edinburgh, But that could be the Glaswegian in me, i have always Saw it as a Tory town And separate from the Rest of The majority of Scot’s, More the “Jock Tamson’s bairns” You mention, Other than that hope The rest of your Visit was More Enjoyable, And next time yer in Bathgate, yer Alway’s Welcome to Pop along for a Cuppa 🙂
Some Cultural Theory and some more Educational Theory and stuff, that suggest there are cultural paths to escape the neo-liberal hollowing-out of civil society. Edinburgh’s tartan-tat shops can be checked but sustainable economic development will be needed to re-balance the local economy. Somehow, I don’t see Brexit improving Edinburgh’s prospects in the global marketplace.
Challenging Freedom
Neoliberalism and the Erosion of Democratic Education
link to democracyeducationjournal.org
‘Remaking the World’: Neo-liberalism and the Transformation of Education and Teachers’ Labour
link to bris.ac.uk
Convention theory and neoliberalism
link to tandfonline.com
Political Consumerism as a Neoliberal Response to Youth Political Disengagement
link to mdpi.com
as I have long suspected, the REV is a pretty good writer when he allows himself to wander from his no-nonsense eviscerations
but – I dont buy the basis of it
whether you feel optimistic or otherwise, thats your own judgement
I dont think theres been much change in recent years
the old town full of tourist tat?
shops closing, people moving in and out?
same as it ever was, same as it ever was
I dont understand the generalised tourism bashing – bellas has been on this for a while now – why not?
think of tourists as asylum seekers, who change their minds after a bit
come with money, spend it
then fuck off back to where they came from
– dont be racist, mkay
and if the tourists want to feel the love from the trendy left, all they have to do is to tear up their return tickets and declare refugee status
I do notice the enormous construction edinburgh has done over the past 20 years, but thats to be expected – theres always these whiners
– place is a shithole, social deprivation, handwringing liberals, “think of the children”
– place gets done up … complaints of “gentrification” and “loss of communities”
away to fuck and gies peace
…every silver lining has a cloud1
…when one door shuts another slams in your face1
that cheered me up 🙂
Scotland is still the only country that said no to its own independence.
I hope the No brigade are giving that some thought now.
And speaking of Scotland’s ever-ready political evolution ’19…
Ye cannae huv an evolution waeoot a Revolution
Cheers Rev, for the ready made solution
Aye turn 90 degrees on a train when that happens, boots up on the edge of the seats and over, these seats are taken
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If ah cannae huv mah back tae the wall, ah’ll choose for my back to the window, always choose ah window seat when flying
I guess the tartan and Welsh tat in shops is a way to compensate for not having real nationhood. A way to promote difference but not too different. We wouldn’t want to leave our English betters after all. Better to just let others decide everything for us while pretending to be proud wee Scots with our tartan tat.
And I say that as a fan of the tartan tat in the shops.
Confused
Though I’m not a local, I’ve lived in Edinburgh for the best part of thirty years. Sorry, but I think the character of the Old Town has changed considerably over that time, some for the better. The area suffered badly from urban decay and hot-spots of multiple deprivation, before the paradigm of urban regeneration was adopted in the 1980s. I’m certainly not assessing the outcome of the area’s regeneration, simply drawing attention to the area’s history of change, as described by Black Joan up-thread.
Just for YOU, Bonnie Edinburgh neighbours ye all
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Take it in, then WIN
Identify yerselves fine People of Edinburgh, talk to YOUR own Country
Who are YOU?
Fuck sake ah huvnae even started drinking yet!
iHOME is our destination… Edinburgh X
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1745 and there we have it
@Confused
It’s not tourism everyone is getting at on its own – it’s the way increasingly people who work in public service and keep Edinburgh running can’t afford to live there.
Take the Grassmarket for instance. Students make up the main tenant population from September until June. Then July August it’s is Air BnB. The landlords make more in 2 months than in the rest of the year. They won’t consider long term lets at all and there is no sense of community.
Gentrification isn’t helping Edinburgh folk, these are absentee landlords raking it in.
And it’s not Tartan tat that’s the problem, it’s Union Flag tat.
Edinburgh has always been a mecca for tourists but when a city becomes populated by wealthy people who want to barricade themselves from the poor and people who flit in and out then who exactly is it for? It is becoming like London, teachers, nurses, carers all have to live in the outskirts and commute in.
There is plenty of building going on but it is priced way out of the league of ordinary folk. There are hotels and student accommodation going up again for temporary residents.
When you rip a city’s heart out it takes decades to get it back, just look at Glasgow with the social engineering that went on under Labour in the 1960s.
Ahm surposed to be somewhere later Fine Wingers of Scotland ’19…
Aye hope aye can make it to the dance, a to the strutters ball
One mair time… GET it intae yer fine bein’, fine Edin
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Tis of Saturday nite fine revellers!
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@HC
I agree, but for some reason the Rev doesn’t like the Gaelic either.
Iechyd da!
Edinburgh is in the main a truely beautiful city. I say that as a weegie.
Sadly & I mean sadly, it’s only a Mickey Mouse capital though & apparently happy to be so.
I can only hope that the citizens will realise that Edinburgh can be more than a provincial uk city, it can reclaim its birth right as the full capital of a sovereignty state.
Never understood their mindset, happy to be well down the pecking order.
defo says:
30 March, 2019 at 4:29 pm
Mark Russell
Well Doh Mark!
Obvs Dick & Harry kill Tom, and frame the landlord for it.
Personally, I’d go with CO poisoning. Clean like. ?
Bet you still have a betamax copy of Shallow Grave too! 😉
EastWest of Eden is Glasgow, the shows are in, the shows are back in on the Green, Glasgowlink to youtube.com
Glasgow could be a paradise City 2019
Saltires are awe aroon the Green
A ring of em
Carnival
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“Jack collatin says:
30 March, 2019 at 5:15 pm
Scotland is still the only country that said no to its own independence.”
If its any comfort to you Tokelau twice declined its independence.
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Lord George Foulkes on Twitter
The man is a Wankhole!!
“That would be a hole in to which one wanks” ( in text ref; Rev SC 2019)
What a great phrase!! And Foulkes fits the description perfectly!!
Same goes for other “tourist” destinations. Have you been to the Isle of Skye recently? Over run, over developed and turning into a parody of itself.
As a Dundonian I have to say I love Edinburgh it’s a beautiful city but sadly it gave up it’s right to be called a capital city on the 18 September 2014, maybe one day in the not too distant future the good people of Edinburgh will put that right
Just reading one or two gratuitous insults about Wales, and if people would go into a shop in Llanberis, Trawsfynydd, Beddgellert amongst others, as I have, and hear the Welsh people talking, well, Welsh, to each other, maybe they’d think again?
Maybe the French should speak English, the Germans, Dutch …
Hmmm, I’m wondering if a good billboard for the (surely) coming indyref will be “Don’t take back control – vote No”…
Don’t forget that suppression of a language was behind the dominance of the “British Empire”, particularly in Wales, Ireland – and Scotland. And that an increasing interest in the language(s) of countries is a reassertion of national identity – and one that is recognised by the EU and the UN.
I’m surprised people – includng the Rev – don’t recognise this.
Mark. Shallow grave may have crossed my mind.
Cameron. Nada, without my brief present.
Back OT. We can do better.
When the new indy reality materialises, no doubt a few will feel disappointed that the streets are still paved with tarmacadam, but i’m utterly certain that the tidal wave of positivity and possibility will carry us a long way from where we find ourselves here today.
Embrace the tat. Sarcastic like. That’ll sort it.
Hey there Cactus 🙂 Good to see you here with your undying love and admiration for Scotland =)
Good too to see so many ready to speak up Scotland when we have all the usual numpty suspects happy to take a cringey swipe at our own beautiful cities and Islands.
Reasons to be cheerful : SNP 🙂
Et Vive Ecosse et l’Independence 🙂
As far as tourist tat is concerned, though much would be imported from China, it’s still good for our local economy. And if Japanese or American tourists buy a red bus or a beefeater in Edinburgh or Skye rather than London, it’s their loss and our gain 🙂
Goldman Sachs now puts the odds of Brexit not happening at all at 40%, up from 35%.
Edinburgh is still very much Scottish, it’s just that the people,of Edinburgh go about their business quietly having had to live with the TAT most,of their lives.
There are great places in Edinburgh that are very Scottish it may take you more than a day to find them.
It’s true there are a lot,of tourists, but isn’t that what we want ?
Union Jack flags everywhere is not just Edinburgh, Scotland is covered in them, business has gone along with it, Edinburgh has a huge population of English people ,English people who come here to work in our universities hospitals schools local govt and central govt all of which make it so much easier for them to get their jobs by having people at the top of their organisation who are themselves English and happy to employ people more familiar to themselves.
The civil service has been working overtime this,last few years recruiting people from England too and yes I do believe in employing the best person for the job but I also believe in employing local people first ,clearly,the,latter has not been happening often enough.
I have nothing against people from England or anywhere else coming to work in Scotland but it’s clear that a concerted effort has been made by Westminster to have those government organisations aforementioned headed by English people who then go on to employ other English people, could be that it’s only that they naturally feel more comfortable sorrounding rhemselves with familiar voices but I don’t think it’s as innocent as that.
Property in Scotland has been bought up in huge amounts by English people and it has affected the market greatly, thats not new ,it’s been going on for decades,people get a lot more money for doing the same job in England than they would do in Scotland house prices in England are way higher and so we now have huge numbers of English people living in Scotland who have retired sold their house in England and bought a similar one in Scotland for half the price using their spare money to supplement their income and savings or use it to buy an Edinburgh flat to rent out on air bnb or buy a wee hotel or B&B in the highlands .
If you have been there you will have noticed.
If you work in a Scottish university or school or NHS ,local govt or central govt you will have noticed.
St Andrews uni is like being in England hardly a Scottish person to be found.
Edinburgh votes against Scottish independence because of all this.
Too late to change that.
Not too late for scottish independence
Once independence comes all the english people in Scotland will have to integrate better than they do at present, I know many who work in a university and NHS who say they will leave Scotland and return to England ,they say it as if somehow I should beg them not to ? Odd.
I think most will stay here ,they have a good life we welcome them but all this union jackery and looking down their noses at Scotland repeating the too wee too poor too stupid nonsense will have to disappear or they will look uncomfortably foolish.
Scottish identity has been deleted to a great extent because our neighbour England finds it easier to do as it pleases in Scotland by englishing us, it’s not a surprise is it ?
Scotland’s identity will return with gusto once we are independent and have people heading up our agencies and national organisations who want to support the true and free Scottish identity rather than the British nationalist version of Scottish identity we hate.
It’s all about confidence, having the confidence to say STOP
STOP this englishing of Scotland ,stop telling us what to do, stop telling us what we cannot do
stop ripping us off taking our oil gas water fish whisky etc and then charging us more for it than in England .
Can you imagine ,as a Scot,going to another country and openly telling the people there that they are too stupid too poor to wee to run their country ? honestly could you ?
Well it happens here in Scotland every day, English people,working and living here openly telling us we are too wee too poor too stupid ,their overconfidence ,our lack of confidence.
Next time you hear it challenge it.
It probably reflects tourist patterns as well. Enter the UK in London, do the stuff, maybe hire a car, drive up to Scotland and do Edinburgh, Inverness, Skye, back to Edinboro with a day before flying back to London to fly back to wherever.
That’s one day to get all the souvenirs, and the MacJimmy Jock hat for Pierre, the London Bus for uncle Riku, the beefeater for Aunt Et. Everyone’s happy!
@galamcennalath
Preciesly why Sturgeon can’t call Indy ref 2 yet, or right until the very last minute. There’s still other options too, more even than when the Brexitshambles started.
yesindyref2 says:
If they were convinced that Brexit really would mean Scottish independence, IMO the ruling group of Tories would cancel Brexit to save their Union.
The integrity of the UK matters more to them that Brexit. That isn’t to say another group would prioritise leaving the EU. There many who would dump NI and Scotland to get England ‘free’.
Brexit – not so much a choice to leave the EU, more an outbreak of a deadly cultural virus.
link to irishtimes.com
VONA GROARKE:
“On March 29th, 2017, the day Theresa May sent a letter to Donald Tusk formally triggering Brexit, what I’ve come to think of as the defining Brexit sensibility was outlined in a YouGov survey which asked Leave voters what they would like to see re-introduced after Brexit.
In reverse order, the top four results were: the re-introduction of corporal punishment in schools (42%); of imperial measure in shops (48%); of dark blue passports (52%) and, at No 1, of the death penalty (53%). (A scarily predictable 9% opted for the re-introduction of pre-decimal currency.)
There you have it: Brexit is both inherently aggressive and dangerously nostalgic. Not to mention confused, to the point, I think, of delusion. The NHS website identifies delusions, confused thoughts and lack of insight and self-awareness as the prime symptoms of psychosis. That seems apt. Nothing about its way of handling the withdrawal negotiations would seem to suggest other than that Britain may be suffering from collective psychosis.”
@ Terence Callaghan – property developers have been ruining Edinburgh since at least the 1960s when I lived there. They weren’t English. Chairman of the Edinburgh Housing Committee, Cornelius Waugh, enabled much of this. He was a Leither.
Housebuilders, Gumleys, Millers etc Edinburgh. Miller the Builder was Provost of Edinburgh before becoming the Lord Provost of London City.
I’m told that these “are the finest men that money can buy”. Allegedly. But they were not English.
The author is being emotional and nostalgic. The EU is a corrupt organisation and will stamp on any dissent. It is an elitist Liberal anti working class organisation. They even want to establish an army. Trade and cooperation does not require 729 MEPs. The Scottish Nationalists are ready to sell out an independent Scotland to their EU masters. The author clearly is too young to remember the EU insult in handing out the EU butter and cheese mountains to the plebs.
They even want to establish an army
Fucking total pish ya pure radge
My big fear is that a right wing Tory government could, quite legally, end the Scottish parliament (and the Welsh and Northern Ireland assemblies)at a whim, and there is nothing that we could do about it!!
@Croompenstein
Well said.
The idiot Croomp at 2009 does not seem to observe what is going on in the EU. Army by 2026 according to Juncker.
@Peter Marjoram
The legal opinion is that the amendment to the Scotland Act with the permanence of Holyrood, can’t be reveresed without a referendum. So no, they can’t end the Scottish parliament “at a whim”.
“Mad Unionist”
Says it all, frankly.
Changed it’s name again?
A guy in the pub told him
@Mad Unionist,
People were glad of the free butter. They took the lot.
When the UK joined the EU it was known as the sick man of Europe and had been for many years going to the IMF to just keep afloat. Yep, begging for charitable handouts.
Your memory is selective.
@yesindyref2,
Heard many insults about Wales? Your interpretation skills require some remedial work.
The idiot Croomp at 2009 does not seem to observe what is going on in the EU. Army by 2026 according to Juncker
Haw roaster give us the links to where the EU have stated this policy and don’t fucking dare link to the mail or the express 🙂
Mad Unionist
More of a liar.
British Union took us to war in Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan etcetera.
Scotland has no say.
EU cannot.
British Union can set off nuclear weapons costing billions of lives and while foodbanks increase
EU cannot and will not.
Back to the sewer mad unionist.
The parts of Wales which are predominantly Welsh-speaking voted to remain in the EU and elect Plaid Cymru MPs and Assembly Members. That many of my countrymen and women spend their time looking up England’s arsehole waiting for the sun to shine is a sad fact but some of the posters here appear to have no understanding of Wales at all. And the fact that there are proportionally more English people resident (full time and part-time) in wales than in Scotland skewed the EU vote.
Don’t worry Joanna you’ll all be heading home, for good, in the very near future.
Joanna Cherry:-
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@Mad Unionist
“It is an elitist Liberal anti working class organisation.”
Right on Comrade, the EU’s efforts towards maintaining social cohesion in the face of neo-liberal globalisation, count for nothing. Efforts towards enabling sustainable economic growth across Europe, has been purely for the benefit of continental oligarchs. Stroll on you complete rocket.
Yesindy2ref, where did you see this legal opinion? This from wikipedia. Quote This Act recognises the Scottish Parliament and a Scottish Government as permanent among UK’s constitutional arrangements, with a referendum required before either can be abolished. However, according to some commentators, the act institutes a weak statutory mechanism, which does not stipulate provisions or guarantees for such a referendum, or makes duties of Crown Ministers in this respect publicly answerable to the Scottish electorate.[3] unquote.
Why should Edinburgh be the capital of an independent Scotland? If could be Glasgow. Dundee – independence city – deserves it most.
@Bob Mack
You were pretty hard on HC for defending his/her language, not just once but in reply to him/her, insisting it was just for cultural reasons. Would you like that if someone not from Scotland did that about Gaelic and Scots, and went on about how Scotland always voted Labour – an English party – and voted NO to Independence?
Really? You’d like someone, HYFUD for instance, tell you crap about your country?
Yougov 2019 poll for Wales, assembly results:
constituency
Labour: 32% (-8)
Conservatives: 26% (+1)
Plaid Cymru: 23% (+3)
Liberal Democrats: 8% (+1)
UKIP: 7% (+2)
Others: 5% (+2)
list
Labour: 29% (-7)
Conservatives: 24% (no change)
Plaid Cymru: 23% (+3)
Liberal Democrats: 6% (+2)
UKIP: 6% (+2)
Greens: 4% (no change)
Abolish the Assembly: 4% (-1)
Others: 4% (+2)
PC are coming back up again, and who knows, might become the minority government next election like the SNP did in 2007. I doubt the Welsh language is getting in its way on that.
And PC? Stands with the SNP in Westminster – as does the LABOUR controlled government there, with the Scottish Government over the Withdrawal Agreement.
And that’s it from me about Wales.
@yesindyref2,
I see your point, but I also come from Welsh ancestry. I think it is important to remember that Wales has been under English control since the days of Edward 1. Deliberate efforts were made since that time to subdue it’s culture, culminating in Henry 8 completely banning the speaking of Welsh to surprise that culture.
Only the Church kept the language alive by declaring it acceptable, and producing Welsh bibles.. Industrialisation created an influx of thousands of English workers to Wales, many who stayed.
Only in the late 1990s was law relaxed to allow the speaking of Welsh to official bodies.
At the beginning of this century Welsh language was almost obsolete apart from rural areas because of the above factors.
Yes, the Welsh are a proud people ,but often through the effects of integration of nearly 800 years have become somewhat Anglified in outlook,
Just as England we claim has tried the same with Scots for over 300 years, then the Welsh have had that influence much, much longer
Google EU Army and you will get Merkel and Macron speeches 2018.
Mad Unionist You forgot about the tins of stew as well as the cheese & butter I delivered & chapped many auld folks door as the couldn’t get to the distribution centre .
Same as all Unionists only half ah story .
Petra @ 20:54,
Jeez, these Leavers, they are hard to please. “T.r.a.i.t.o.r.s” who come from a foreign country?
Instead of continually whinging at us about what a drain on their precious country we all are, you would think that they would be grateful to us for wanting to break away.
Confused doesn’t even start to describe them.
@@Mad Unionist,
I believe the EU already has an army, though each unit appears to be based in its own country funnily enough. The UK has been doing joint exercises with them for decades.
In the event of war Britain “shall stand alone”. My ass. We would be digging out our mutual defence treaties rather sharpish
Mad Unionist
Are you comfortable with British neo-liberalism, just not that foreign neo-liberalism? British neo-liberalism looks out for the interests of British workers, does it not?
CameronB Brodie. Your social cohesion in the EU has seen dozens killed because of Merkel and Macron policy.
My concerns about the EU are almost entirely related to the challenge to democracy presented by the European Central Bank and the Eurozone. These concerns are nothing compared to mine re. Scotland’s future within Brexitania.
The new EU industrial policy: authoritarian neoliberal structural adjustment and the case for alternatives
link to tandfonline.com
Mad Unionist
Got any evidence or are you simply full of prejudice?
Yesindyref2….
The Act does not make any mention of the Scottish Parliament being open to suspension. Stormont hasn’t been abolished, but in it’s current suspended state there isn’t a big difference in terms of output.
Nothing to prevent a majority at Westminster passing legislation which would temporarily suspend Holyrood for an indefinite period in the national interest of the UK, in what would no doubt be claimed to be exceptional circumstances.
Fairliered @ 8:56 pm
You wrote: “Why should Edinburgh be the capital of an independent Scotland?”
On Edinburgh and its majority view in 2014 againts independence, I still recall the reports of the Spectator’s event for the city’s elite prior to the Indyref1 as reported by Alex Massie.
Source: link to blogs.spectator.co.uk
Massie wrote: “Before proceedings began 119 members of the audience agreed with the motion that ‘Independence is the greatest threat to Edinburgh’, 27 disagreed and 36 did not know what they thought. Two hours later opinion had hardened: 169 for the proposition, 19 against and only 6 poor undecided souls.”
“For the proposition Ian Murray, Labour MP for Edinburgh South, made a narrowly Edinburgh-focused case for the status quo. Auld Reekie is braw, he said, and why risk changing that? ‘We must keep Scotland leading the UK, not leaving it,’ he boasted. Citing the nationalists’ desire for a currency union with the rump UK, he suggested they wish to ‘dismantle everything only to reconstruct it again’. What’s the point of that? In any case, we’re all right Jock.”
“Annabel Goldie, erstwhile leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist party, condemned what she saw as the narrow, limiting, worldview of the SNP. Britain is a grand country and we should be proud to be part of a state that punches above its weight in world affairs. Scotland can best express its internationalism through the UK. Independence, while plainly feasible, would diminish us and our role in the world.”
Hardly working out as well as this audience thought: Brexit; the lost opportunities for the city’s financial sector to Dublin, Frankfurt and Paris to attract business ; the apparent ignorance of the economic benefits that accrue to the capital regions of independent countries, even those of smaller countries such as Ireland.
@Bob Mack
“Yes, the Welsh are a proud people ,but often through the effects of integration of nearly 800 years have become somewhat Anglified in outlook”
My parents were Welsh till the days they died (I never lived there).
Week before last I was ordering up stuff from a supplier in Wales. He’d only sobered up by the wednesday, and forgot to phone me to confirm the availability of the order on the friday as he was off celebrating that weekend as well. Anglified? I don’t think so! Wales had won the grand slam.
I wonder if Annabel Goldie feels a bit of a numpty now and whether she feels any remorse for peril Scotland now faces? Does Annabel Goldie have moral consciousness or is she she an ideological, true red white and blue, Tory?
@yesindyref2,
If what you say is true about the Welsh people and Wales is correct, then any claim on this forum that England is or has tried to Anglify or subdue the culture of Scotland by similar methods must be complete nonsense.
Am I correct?
Mad Unionist
You’re a bit of a thicko in new clothes, but just about everybody here knows that already.
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“Google EU Army and you will get Merkel and Macron speeches 2018.”
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I’ve probably heard more Merkel speeches live than you’ve (n)ever read. 😉
Have you never heard of NATO, you know, where the Alliance Partners contribute part of their forces to common traing, ammunition standards, compatible communications, command structures etc.? Each country/military is independent but working together for the common good.
As a Brit. Nat you should know how important that is to members of NATO.
The EU has put forward plans for discussion to create an internal smaller version of NATO consisting only of EU member states.
This would make also it easier for NATO. Instead of having to integrate/communicate with all the NATO member EU states indiviually, they would operate as one unified member.
Advantages all round..!
That’s all you’ll get from me now you poor little loser… 🙂
@Annabel Goldie
I thought you could do with a little instruction in Moral Philosophy, seeing as you appear to be a Tory.
link to academic.oup.com
Yesindyref2 On those numbers the Tories would replace Plaid as the official opposition to Labour again.
Welsh Labour would be down from 34.7% to 32% on the constituency vote and 31.5% to 29% on the list but the Tories would be up from 21.1% on the constituency vote to 26% and 18.8% on the list vote to 24%. That would be more than the Plaid rise from 20.5% on the constituency vote to 23% and 20.8% on the list also to 23%
link to en.wikipedia.org
Roll the dice… THIA entity is you
Glasgow 2019
Scotland
WTF was that LIKE
THIS is THAT
Sustained
HYUFD
You could do with a bit of instruction in Moral Philosophy, as well, Toryboy.
link to cambridge.org
HYFUD
Regardless, the Tories would likely be the official opposition because Labour would probably need PC to form some sort of formal or informal coalition on those numbers.
Graf Midgehunter Telling porkies. NATO reject an EU fascist army.
Sorry HYUFD that should be. Getting close to my bedtime.
Brexit – revealing more and more of what has been carefully hidden or disguised about The Establishment, the Tory Party, the Labour Party and a large number of extremist, racist and very aggressive English people, who think they are something superior and special. But they are deluded.
@Mad Unionist,
I think you mean America rejects a European army ,not NATO.
Considering 26 out of the 28 NATO members are European States.
America and Canada being the other two.
Mad Unionist
The most basic description I can give of fascism, is an authoritarian opposition to rational self-determination? How do you define fascism? Is it only foreign fascism that concerns you? That would be a bit prejudiced of you, you know. 😉
Aye move THIS emotion… division is denied Johnny Berc
Dya wanna PLAY…
Ra connection is maid
Aye do
When did ye last hear the sound of live crickets like?
We live within crazy times, sexy Scotland, crowdfunder a comin”
Gimme a connection babe
To the Green
O/T
Looks like the (t)Ruthless Davidson party is going to rise form the ashes of the Conservative party. Front page of the National suggests they are about to break away from the South Britain lot.
Means she doesn’t have to resign if the backstop is voted through – she’ll just go home and take her party with her….
Too weeks tae go Scotland…
Ye up for THIS crazy game
We haud all the cairds
17 kens
Robert Knight, Yes indyref 2
Nothing to stop WM suspending Holyrood as these are ‘not normal’ circumstances….
Not so quick there:
not if the S Gov.’s New Scottish Constitution has been passed in Holyrood as this will enshrine all the current powers at Holyrood and protect them from any power grab.
All down to the triple mandate and the Claim of Right
I’m just back from the Edinburgh v Munster rugby (and post-match drinks). Over 30,000 fans at Murrayfield, but most of them were in Munster red. Interestingly, there was a pipe band (no flutes) which played ‘Flower of Scotland’ several times. I had to laugh because, as I said to my friend, Edinburgh is the least Scottish of our cities. Unsurprisingly, nobody sang along. ‘The Fields of Athanry’ rang out several times. I think that’s an interesting parallel with the preponderance of tartan tat shops and an overall lack of Scottish identity of the city.
On behalf of Scotland…
Aye hereby claim The Claim of Right
We have a constitution
Time for some more Moral Philosophy and perhaps some Legal Theory? I think this is also relevant to Scottish sectarianism at football grounds.
link to journals.openedition.org
Deontological Restrictions and the Good/Bad Asymmetry
link to sosyalarastirmalar.com
JOHN STUART MILL’S “HARM PRINCIPLE” AS THE FOUNDATION FOR
HEALTHY SOCIAL RELATIONS
link to sosyalarastirmalar.com
The Political Philosophy of Harm Reduction
link to mancept.com
YouGov poll, Scotland sub sample:
SNP: 45%
Tories: 17%
Labour: 18%
Lib Dem: 8%
Green: 5%
UKIP: 3%
Brexit Party: 1%
Other: 3%
Fieldwork: 24th to 25th March
Interesting, though I’m surprised Labour is ahead of Tories. In line with the good result in the by election on Thursday. previous experience indicates that YES vote would be about 8% to 10% higher than the SNP vote. I also don’t believe that any of these polls represent accurately the younger vote.
I find it very odd that though I get about 3 or 4 You Gov polls every week I never get a political one. Perhaps I indicated my position a couple of years ago and this has had me written out.
Here aye find meself in a rave club fine Kenneth
What should aye do D?
1) Keep dancing
2) Go with the beat
3) Go aff topic
YOU should try there too KD he he ha ha he
Correct link to the “Deontological Restrictions” article.
link to brill.com
Time for a bit of hard-core ethics?
link to tandfonline.com
Re “ Terry Callachan @ 0733 pm . This has been going on for decades Terry . Unfortunately, for the Britnat establishment” ( and I choose that phrase carefully) , more recently there has been significant competition from EU citizens coming to live and work in Scotland within the sectors you mention ( Health service, universities, local gov., etc. and private sector). The Britnat establishment don’t like this competitition as the vast majority of our EU citizens do not “ lord it over” the locals with “ superiority complexes” when employed within the “ administrative hierarchy “ of some of these organisations, they are content indeed to live and work among fellow citizens on “ the same level” . I note that they tend to form “ cliques” , ( socially& at work) very much less than our more traditional UK transient “ expats” ( that’s a good word in this context) . I am all for cultural diversity (and long term integration ) ,however some people seem to be more culturally sensitive than others and “ blend in “ with the environment, whilst others appear to wish to retain and even impose their culture on others.
To change the subject ( slightly) , I note that the latest “ propaganda” from the “ Britnat State broadcasters “ highlights a “ poll” I believe, from the “ ultra Britnat Mail on Sunday” , giving Corbyn a 5 point lead over the Tories. Obviously , this is a “ scare story” to “ ensure” that TM under no circumstances countanances a snap GE , which could put the possibility of a EU 2 vote and even remaining in the EU firmly on the table . This latest propaganda “ con” is to increase the likelihood of a “ No deal/ May deal Brexit only .
One is outwith their safety zone
Ahm pure raving like wae night-sticks
Lookin, learnin an understanding awe at the 1 time
Big learn
HandandShrimp Labour might have a majority with the LDs on those numbers without the need for Plaid
Though of course the Tories were the opposition to the Labour-Plaid administration from 2007-11
CameronB Brodie. Fascism is well defined. Scottish Nationalists probably qualify. Not accepting the majority vote of the people!
Evenin HYUFD, how ye doin’, neighbour like
Take ah trip tae Glasgow bud
Ahm buyin’
HYUFD
You are so out of your depth and apparently unaware of your political nature. Your deployment of empirical waffle doesn’t concern me, as it it classical utilitarian pish. I seek justice, you oppose my rational self-determination. What does that make you, Toryboy?
link to ocw.mit.edu
Mad Unionist
And you appear to be another ignorant tube.
Hey Cam, Now is ra time tae be a dick… that’s me
Dont give a fuck…
Pure ravin’
Ahm in the Classic Grand, Scotland, they let me in again
Takin’ it doon at Jamaican St
Challenge moi, like
Wow like
Cactus
Ravin’ in a good way though, as your actions are NOT undermining my biological security, unlike the full-English Brexit. 😉
Biological security…
That’s a new one on me dude
What’s yer pleasure
Show me 😉
Cactus Have travelled through Glasgow several times, for instance when travelling to the Western Isles
frankly, we’re fucked.
CameronBBrodie If you really want to completely ignore any point I make and respond with a second year philosophy essay to try and prove your intellectual superiority fine, whatever floats your boat!
Hey HYUFD, marning tae ye bud, what was ur highlight whenst travelling thru Scotland
We have it all, what do you have, what ye intae bud?
Taxi for me, ahm paying
Hey fine grant
Be you a long time lurker?
Whit brings you here…
Keep posting poster
Engage me
Fuck sake, what is it when fuckers keep flanking you…
Ahm on a plane orra train
Just chillin’ to it
Fuckers
“Ah need ah miracle.”
Hey Cactus x
Don’t forget the clock just changed 🙂