Wings Over Scotland

I wondered if Chris would also be returning! Welcome back ?

Welcome back

That really is a belter.

Unionism truly is Orange.
link to archive.ph
Psychological warfare machine.

So scary true Chris. So glad to welcome you back.

Welcome back Chris, another stoater, the mask has more than slipped it’s been removed completely, and what’s behind it isn’t a pretty sight.

Ottomanboi @10am.

I recall Foster at the front of an O/O march in Cowdenbeath, she’s such a lovely person…not.

link to 12ft.io

Robert Louis.

I think it’s John Bull first with his smiley face, (its false, a mask) and as the mask is removed, the true John Bull is exposed

John Bull is the national personification of England.

Robert Louis

Behind the avuncular John Bull personification of England lies the authoritarian reality of State power . That’s my reading , anyway

Storming return , Chris

So a great cartoon, Scotland enslaved by England, and its assets stolen on a daily basis. Meanwhile, the English red and blue tories from little britain, whine on about democracy and ‘human rights’ all around the world*

*Except in Scotland.

This is what the English did over and over again all over the world. Colony after colony. wealth stolen, cultures destroyed, and languages mocked. Scotland is England’s last colony. Time these barstweards were booted out of Scotland for good.

@ ROS ….. didn’t see your reply to Robert Louis before posting my own

The more things change the more they stay the same.

welcome to the colonies Chris.

@ Robert Louis: the Supreme Court’s decision has put Scotland in captivity [they think].

The cap badge in Chris’s cartoon says “HM Prison”.

On the nail.

Ottomanboi says:
26 November, 2022 at 10:47 am
Another face of «the beast»
link to archive.ph

” Ya gotta admit these Unionist ladies got big balls. ”

And necks of solid brass .

Big Arlene is shaping-up to be the Norn Irish version of Gordie The Broon eg a has-been wannabe ” Influencers ” .

Two * characters * in search of a play .

Looks like wonder ( bra ) kid Laydee Mone is set to be the sacrificial goat for the select Tory Billion Dollar Covid Bonanza/Plunder rap. Well , she’s Scottish , so , expendable .

Dido is probably making another dreary album

Couldn’t happen to lovelier person . Bet she ” does a lot for charidy “

@Robert Louis

“Scotland is England’s last colony.”

Don’t forget our Welsh cousins!

Adam Price, the leader of Plaid Cymru, titled his book: ‘Wales: The First and Last Colony’.

From which one might suspect that he expects Scotland to be freed before his beloved homeland.

😉

Who would you put behind the sturgeon mask

The Great Unmasking – but not just John Bull’s benevolent face of colonialisation.
Nicola Sturgeon was been unmasked by Alex Salmond (without actually acusing her of deliberately undermining Independence) and by Robin McAlpine where he points out exactly what she has been doing.
I wondered what effect these two items would have on the WGD. I haven’t read it recently but went back and looked at the latest piece of writing, thinking there might be a little spark there that not all is well.
I got as far are this sentence and gave up:
“There will be a special conference of the SNP early in the New Year – just a few weeks away now – to plan for that historic election.”
I can’t add anything to that!

Unionism, the soi disant «High Court» and its «judgment» and Hubris.

[Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one’s own competence, accomplishments, or capabilities]

Imperialist Hubris
«Functioning empires produce a form of consciousness that I call imperialist hubris. Racism is often a major component of such imperialist hubris. The population of the imperial country deems itself RACIALLY SUPERIOR to the populations of the countries it dominates. Thus domination becomes a prerogative of racial superiority and harm inflicted upon the racial inferior is of no moral consequence. EXCEPTIONALISM is another frequent component of imperialist hubris. The imperial society regards itself as exceptional: It is different from and better than other societies, and therefore not bound by the same rules that apply to the latter. In order to provide exceptional benefits to the world, the exceptional country must escape the constraints of international law. PARANOIA, or a sense of looming peril, is often a third element of imperialist hubris. Imperial paranoia suggests that civilization is threatened by an enormous danger against which imperial domination is the only realistic safeguard. Empires may have unfortunate consequences, but a sturdy empire is absolutely necessary to forestall global chaos or worse. IGNORANCE and disinterest in the rest of the world is a final ingredient of imperialist hubris. Ignorant people focused entirely on their own lives will believe virtually anything spoon-fed to them by the corporate-controlled mass media»
ColoradoDaily…

I think many will recognize the symptoms.

Stoker. 12.46pm

This was set up months ago, it was with our very own Baroness Tank Commander Davidson.

Her and Arlene Foster were going to tour the whole UK, telling everyone of the benefits of the Union.

I don’t know what’s happened to Ruth the Mooth.

Found this article lurking way down deep in the MSN.

‘Nicola Sturgeon’s plans are ‘simply nuts’ says her former law professor’ link to archive.ph

There are a few juicy parts worth savouring, such as:

“I fear we must accept our failure to teach our student Nicola Sturgeon much about democracy. But I take comfort from the words of the traditional Scots legal apprenticeship indenture, where it states that we, the qualified professionals, need only teach the young ones ‘insofar as they are capable of learning’.” Sturgeon’s former law Professor.

And this:

“But SNP insiders expressed fears that it was the First Minister who had committed a major “strategic blunder” by asking the court for a ruling on whether she had the power to stage another vote.”

“They said the five justices’ unanimous verdict that she did not, and Ms Sturgeon’s de facto referendum ploy, threatened to set back the independence movement by decades and could even be “terminal”.”

Would love to know who the SNP “insider” was that gave that quote.

@ Rab Davis says on 26 November 2022 at 1:29 pm:

“I don’t know what’s happened to Ruth the Mooth.”

Like all Scottish Unionist politicians, Rab, great at organising controversial events and snidely provoking BritNats into action. But when the chips are down these cowards run a mile and do everything possible to distance themselves from it. Shitebags, the lot of them. And ‘The Mooth’ is the queen of them, a smouldering sack of rancid festering excremental offerings. Her and Arlene, 2 peas in a pod.

Chris.

Nice to see you have returned .

What Willie said @ 9.29 a.m. on the previous thread was strangely prescient of Chris’s cartoon, particularly this bit:

“As an arm of the British state, and if you look at the complexion of the senior officers being ex RUC, ex National Crime Agency, Ex Military Police, ex Military intelligence, you’ll see how Police Scotland is so similar to the late foul apartheid era South African Police Force. (but Salmond, Hirst, Murray, Singh, Ferrier and many more tells us that already, and this latest political intervention tells us that independence marches are set to be banned.”

Nice cap badge detail, Mr Cairns.

I’m utterly lost for words with this, we all know fine well what and who Stewart McDonald represents, here’s a clue it’s not Scots or Scotland.

“THE winners of the SNP’s annual awards have been announced.

Winners were celebrated during the party’s St Andrew’s Day dinner, which took place at the Glasgow Marriott hotel last night.

Westminster MP Stewart McDonald was voted as Parliamentarian of the Year, just days after being named as the ‘Best Scot at Westminster’ at The Herald’s Scottish Politician of the Year awards.

Earlier this year he was also named ‘Best Scot at Westminster’ at the Holyrood Magazine Political Awards.”

link to 12ft.io

Republicofscotland.

That is insinuating a Scot is a visitor to Westminster rather than a part of the political system of Britain,
It implies a Scot is from a different country.

Yaaay Holiday boy is back too!!

Well drawn Chris and well said too. Welcome back.

All bets here of when “Holiday Boy” will take his First Holiday…

Welcome back Chris, Tis grand tae see ye back here again, your political drawings have been sorely missed.

As commented by a couple of other folks above, Robin McAlpine has written an article about how on earth Nicola S. managed, through utter incompetence, to bring the road to independence to the edge of destruction.

Read it and understand why happy-clappy marches won’t get you Indy.

If you’re going to march, then get a 100.000 of you to Bute House and Parliament, right to the heart of where the Sturgeon cabal sits. Make damm well sure they know why you’re there and that any of the MSP cowards that don’t start to speak up will be rhetorically tarred an’ feathered.

link to robinmcalpine.org

Robin McAlipine raises an interesting point in his latest blog regarding how the British State are likely to dismiss any outcome of a Plebiscite election advantageous to us.
The turnout for IndyRef I was extraordinary high (84.6%) in comparison to a typical UK, GE (67.5%).
Taking a typical turnout for a Westminster GE in Scotland, we would require to achieve 76% of the vote just to match the 2,001,926 No votes in 2014.
“We won!”
“Yeh, so what! More people voted No in 2014. Get back in your box Jocks.”

Going for a Holyrood, Plebiscite would be more likely to expand the turnout by focusing on the constitution and avoiding the inevitable media chatter of an impending “Starmergeddon”. Also, the Holyrood franchise is greater.
With increased focus and enthusiasm, we could push voter turnout from a typical Holyrood level (63% in 2021 was an all time high), closer to a referendum level.
A 80% turnout would only require 58.5% of votes to match the 2,001,926 No votes in 2014.
Conversely if we went for a Holyrood Plebiscite and didn’t manage to raise the turnout beyond 63%, we would require 74% of the vote to match the 2,001,926 No votes from 2014.

Good to have you back, Chris. Better than ever. Do one like that for two-faced Stewart McDonald SNP MP. See The National for his picture after being awarded a MP of the year prize last night by his fellow SNP tractors.

….Taking a typical turnout for a Westminster GE in Scotland, we would require to achieve 76% of the vote just to match the 2,001,926 No votes in 2014.
“We won!”
“Yeh, so what! More people voted No in 2014. Get back in your box Jocks.”

Thing that gets me, and Alex Salmond picks up on it, is going to Court to present the case for “getting permission” is just the wrong way to go about things.

Be bold. Implement the Claim of Right, enact Scotland’s sovereignty, hold your referendum or plebiscite, DO IT, then the onus is on “them” to find a way of stopping you or overturning the result.

Let “them” test the Claim of Right in Court when all the paperwork, treaties and precedents, vindicate Scotland’s Constitutional integrity, and where King Charles III can be called as expert witness.

Best not to let Bain or Sturgeon run our defence right enough…

Ach, seeing as Stewart MacDonald is mentioned “winning” “awards” and there may be new readership what with with Wings getting airborne again. Here’s a bump of a classic old article and one wonders how he hasn’t been booted oot the SNP like some were.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

Great to see Chris back and coming out of the chocks like his legs were coiled springs propelling him down the tracks.

As for some of the comments above, isn’t the whole point of winning a majority in a plebiscitary election the fact that by demonstrating a clear majority for independence, in response to a clear plebiscitary mandate requested by pro-independence parties, EVERYTHING else falls away.

We don’t need to bother about Claims of Right, Conventions, confirmatory referendums.

The moment the count reaches 50% + 1 votes for pro-independence parties, Scotland becomes de facto independent. No ifs, not buts, no maybes.

All that is left is to negotiate the details of the divorce agreement and the de jure part of independence.

Obviously it would be better if we had a convincing pro-independence % for independence, but lets’ face it the chances of us obtaining “Norway 1905” levels of support are not that great.

The higher the number, the easier the post vote ride will be, but British nationalists and Scottish unionists are in no position to cavil at a close result given the precedent of brexit, or the 1979 referendum. What is sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander. If 52% is good enough for brexit, it’s good enough for independence too. The Yes side didn’t reject the 55% to 45% vote in 2014.

We just need an independence movement with the balls to take rather than ask.

I thought using the Westminster plebisitary election to get a coalition with labour to get permission was a joke, but at a recent meeting I was told it is to be Nicola’s plan.

It is a plan to fail

I am now convinced she has been ‘got at’ and is working the delays in return for protection.

The delaying and failures will continue until the movement collapses.

Unless the MPs and msps move against her it is over

Republicofscotland says:26 November, 2022 at 2:20 pm
I might be picking this up wrong but it sounds as though for the SNP’s Tony Giugliano, that a win in a GE de facto plebiscite, which is a whopping two-years away, might lead to the UK government coming around the table and issuing a S30.
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And you think this is likely ? There will be no true “de facto referendum” it will merely be a “Vote SNP to keep the dream alive or else don’t blame us plan” to keep Sturgeon and Her own pals in their jobs and to try to kill off other Indy opposition at the same time. Do take the time to read Robin McAlpines excellent Blog where he explains where Sturgeons “De Facto Referendum” will actually end up. Read it twice, read it three times , keep on reading it till the truth actually sinks in for good. link to robinmcalpine.org

Andy Ellis @ 4.50

Have you read what Toni Giugliano says it means for the SNP?

Just the authorisation to get the begging bowl out again.

No thanks.

Write, post, blog, shout, whisper, any way you think most influential just demand all pro independence MPs must leave, walk out of, Westminster now. Let the public reaction show itself. I think we all maybe pleasantly surprised by it.

@jockmcx

indytruckdavy, here’s a guy who get all his news from the MSM and then repeats it on YouTube, as if we haven’t had enough listening to it from the MSM ourselves he has to repeat it every single F*cking day. If he had fleas, they wouldn’t hang around to long he’s so boring. Shouting unity then calling for everyone to vote SNP 1&2. If I had to listen to him, I’d pull every single hair out of my body just to avoid his screeching voice.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he hasn’t been a Blairite all his life and joined the SNP after 2014. If he F*cked off, I don’t even think Ross would know he’s gone he certainly doesn’t leave an impact on anyone after he’s spoken.

“And you think this is likely ?”

Joe @5pm.

No I don’t think it’s likely, I think it will be an exercise on electing SNP MPs that will lead to nothing, my comment was one of surprise that the SNPs Tony Giugliano thought it would be good if it led to the possibility of the Westminster government contemplating about issuing an S30.

I did it express the disgust at the thought of this in my 3.17pm comment, but obviously you didn’t read it.

Tony Giugliano is yet another SNP roadblock to Scottish independence. Feart to stand up to English bullies. What an absolute waste of space. Why is he in the SNP??? Certainly not for Scottish independence. Good career though. Well paid.

@Merganser

Have you read what Toni Giugliano says it means for the SNP?

No thanks.

I heard some “noises off” that Toni had been bumping his gums, but he rarely has anything of value to add. He’s the prime example of folk captured by the SNP machine who are very much part of the problem, not part of the solution. A serial failure that nobody should let within a country mile of power.

It is earnestly to be hoped that Sturgeon will have been politically defenestrated well before any plebiscitary election, but that can’t be guaranteed by anyone but the SNP membership and they show no signs of independent thought.

The movement as a whole needs to ensure that the SNP can’t try to dictate terms in the run up to any such election, whether at Westminster or Holyrood. It already appears from what Beaker Greer said that the Scottish Greens plan to field a full slate of candidates in any such election, therefore the only way forward for the Yes movement as a whole is to insist that the addition of ALL votes for pro-indy parties in future general elections are ipso facto votes in favour of independence.

We don’t need Nicola or her her of thinking wing-person Mairi Hunter spouting ill-informed, politically autistic pish about a majority in plebiscitary election being (yet) another mandate for a referendum. We get a majority, and we’re independent. Simples. We don’t need Mairi Hunter’s brain farts muddying the waters.

Hunter can be excused as an imbecile with the brains of a tattie scone, but Giugliano is a glove puppet with his Mistress’ hand up his erse. He speaks the words she/her cannot.

If they do this Plebiscite to request a S30 please massa please sir massa shite, again – it’ll begin to get annoying

Yay, much missed! Welcome back Chris.

Andy Ellis @ 5.54.

‘Heard some noises off..’

Take the trouble to read exactly what the policy development convener of the SNP ( that’s Giguliano’s job ) has said without contradiction by any of the SNP hierarchy. Place that alongside what Mhairi Black said without contradiction in September.

Sounds a bit stronger than gum bumping or farting, but dream on if it makes you happy.

Hatuey@ %.55pm.

I doubt we’ll see a GE until the end of 2024, the Tories have a large majority and I doubt they’ll want to risk that. Sure, the cost-of-living crisis will get worse, dare I say before it gets any better. Holding off for another two-years will possibly be the plan, by then things will be pretty bad, a good time to be in opposition and allow Labour under the Red Tory Sir Kier Starmer into number ten.

However, there’s no need for Scotland to still be a prisoner in this onesided union if the Rev’s plan is followed through, a plan where Sturgeon resigns, and we hold a Holyrood election next year, on the one question of whether to stay or leave this union. Sturgeon is unlikely to voluntarily resign, so we need her SNP MSPs and the Greens MSPs to try and compel her to, to put country before self-interest, we elected them to bring us independence now is their chance to fulfill that, to give back the trust we gave to them by electing them.

If the above happens then we could hold the election next year, and the added bonus would be that 16 and 17 years old would also be allowed to vote (they can’t vote in a GE) the younger generation appears to be more proindy.

The downside to this is that Niola Sturgeon more than likely won’t put country before self-interest, I know it’s a long shot, but I’m hoping her MSPs and the Green MSPs will remember why we elected them in the first place, and that they’ll have the decency to compel Sturgeon to resign to save the country, it’s all on them they can redeem themselves or they can be vilified in the annuls of Scottish history, I really hope it’s the former and not the latter.

Incidentally, have you E-mailed your SNP/Green MSP if you have them, to explain this via the Rev’s excellent link below.

link to wingsoverscotland.com

And here is a list of all the current Scottish MSPs (below) enter your postcode in the box provided to see which one/ones represent you, if they are SNP/Green then E-Mail them, outlining the way out of this union in the above link.

link to parliament.scot

To all the not-so-wise heads advocating for 50% + 1 in a plebiscitary election for Holyrood.

In case it’d escaped your attention, there’s still the matter of electing PO & FM, as well as the need for a supermajority in the chamber in favour of starting the divorce negotiations.

And there’s no mechanism for 50% + 1 having effect at Westminster, either.

UKSC decided that Scotland’s status is a matter of law, not politics.

If you want independence, petition the court. Make the case revolve around Union with England Act 1707, it’s intent and effect…job done on multiple breaches and blatant misinterpretation. Remedy sought: repeal & reparations.

yw,hth

I dunno about Scots politician of the year, whether the tranny bollocks is an excuse to collapse Hollyrood for a defacto referendum, or even if the Boris Bull intends to dethrone Sunak and trigger a GE in the new year but I do know that not only was it great to wake to a Chris Cairns cartoon but appearances can indeed be deceptive and, thanks to the efforts of the quite brilliant Lord Advocate, there now appears to be absolutely nothing to stop Ross Greer bringing forward a referendum bill for 19 October 2023 with the question:

“should Scotland reject jurisdiction of the UKSC”

Mhairi actually, but Hunter is right.

Mhairi actually, but Hunter is right.

There would be a first time for everything, but this isn’t it….or weren’t you paying attention?

link to wingsoverscotland.com

But Andy, it’s no good saying the SNP talk rubbish and then going on to support their proposals.

Do you think Giuliano is right or wrong in what he has said? Think carefully before you answer.

It’s quite simple.

He have to get rid of NS to free the pathway to Independence.

She is the block. And that guff that Tony G came out with proves it.

The SNP are shafting us.

Do you think Giuliano is right or wrong in what he has said? Think carefully before you answer.

He’s wrong. We don’t need a confirmatory referendum after winning plebiscitary elections.

Such a referendum would be entirely redundant. Little better could be expected from milquetoast devolusionists. The leisurely pace of their special conference amply demonstrates the SNPs commitment to indy, as does the fact they have made no moves to precipitate immediate Holyrood elections.

Robert Louis @ 5.37
Imagine if Zerlensky had decided to hold a conference in two months time in Ukraine as Putin tried exactly the same tactic i.e. Ukraine is really Russian, don’t be silly.

Perhaps the SNP are just testing the waters to see what they will get away with? It’s the same old tactic – get one of your dopes to start the dialogue (deny any knowledge and intention) and then plan to get away with as little action as possible. Same old same old.

Surely now that we are a colony the various sports in Scotland should desist in the international arena after all the likes of Essex or Yorkshire don’t have teams competing in international competitions?

@Merganser 9.45 pm

If the SNP continue to maintain this line I just hope you will withdraw any support for their suggested plebiscitary election.

It’s not “their” idea, it’s the movement’s idea. The SNP appropriated it and as usual they are a day late and dollar short. They have to be disabused of their pretensions that they can dictate on what terms it is held.

If the movement becomes a creature of the SNP, we’re all fucked anyway.

“ Graf midgehunter @ 0319 pm “ This sounds more like it . The Yes movement should now demand a a Holyrood “ Defacto” election . Sturgeon should resign her “devolved” government now and a MAJORITY VOTE count for the restoration of ALL POWERS of STATEHOOD to HOLYROOD should be her sole MANDATE for re election . A DECLARATION prior to polling day that a majority vote for Independence parties over unionist parties would also END The TREATY of UNION of 1707 , should be unequivocally stated by the FM .

Would I be correct in saying Nicola has managed to create the position that even if we all voted for independence, if we were asked, it could be deemed illegal and therefore Nicola would not accept it.

An interesting for the snp to find itself

I see the boss is getting the band back together … nice.

The CIA discovered that the best method of getting information over to people is cartoons (graphic novels) – so there are all these sabotage and assassination manuals created for illiterate 3rd worlders; and you thought the watchmen or sandman was “edgy”. Consider La-La garrotting Tinky Winky with a car aerial …

A graphic novel new wee book would be great; anything beyond a tweet for most folks requires modafinil these days. The writers and readers series dealt with complex subjects this way (they were marxists, but the books were okay).

idea for a cartoon :

Rishi Sunak as Navvid of Still Game fame – but dressed as a Supreme Court judge

NAE REFERENDUM FUR YOU – ya jakey bastards
if it wisnae for the english paying your tax credits you widnae even afford the buckfast and the heroine

There is a pretty good comic strip called the Boondocks – worth a look; one of the characters is UNCLE RUCKUS

– now this is a black comic strip, set in the “projects” with black characters and Uncle Ruckus is black too.

But – Uncle Ruckus is a virulent anti-black racist who loathes, despises, utterly hates “n1ggers” and on the flipside idolises “the white man” in ways that would embarrass a stormfront skinhead … he also believes he is not a black man, but a white man trapped in a black man’s skin because he has a skin condition which he hopes will be cured.

– the comic potential is obvious, and they do it well. The serious point is -obviously- internalised racism, the colonised mind, but the jokes are good, which is most important.

link to youtube.com

I think there are multitudes of “Uncle McRuckuses” in Scotland; the professional class, media, law, politics – almost the entire middle class. And they get to spew their poison, unrestricted (since the rev chucked it) without challenge, and what is worse – no one openly LAUGHS at them.

Unionism is indefensible – and its “reasons” are ever diminishing (the tories can run the economy; broad shoulders, pooling and sharing) – the only real reason you can defend it is to say

I’VE GOT A GOOD JOB – THE SYSTEM WORKS (FUCK YOU, PEASANT)

Shug says:27 November, 2022 at 12:22 am
Would I be correct in saying Nicola has managed to create the position that even if we all voted for independence, if we were asked, it could be deemed illegal and therefore Nicola would not accept it.
An interesting for the snp to find itself
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A more interesting situation is why the SNP/Sturgeon has made no real attempts to refute any of the claims made here, in fact it seems from the comments Sturgeon did make that she merely confirms what it in this report? link to msn.com

Lol @ “the Francis Urquhart of the Yes movement”

He couldn’t possibly comment, of course…

Hatuey says:
27 November, 2022 at 1:36 am
The article you linked to is from May, and quite a lot has happened since then.
Nothing much has improved in the situation at all the majority og the Scottish Population is more interested in Scotland’s Public Services at this time than Indyref.
Can you say why the Sturge didn’t try to deny anything on this report wasn’t true ? She has all the access to Scot Gov data that she needs to why not just provide the proof it wasn’t true ? link to msn.com

@ 100%Yes and jockmcx I have to agree with 100%Yes indytruck davy is another sturgeon sycophantic apologist from the paypal paul stable of apologists, everything he says or promotes is snp shite and his audience appears to lap it all up

Another one who verges on the apologist spectrum is indycar Gordon, he actually has a lot of good ideas and promotes energy resources but then he spoils it by making excuses for sturgeons gross ineptitude and incompetence

All my life, it was accepted common knowledge that should their be a simple majority of pro independence MP’s elected to Westminster, then Scotland would become independent. Indeed, it was actual SNP policy. I genuinely believed (and I think London was scared) that when the SNP returned their first overall majority of Pro indy MPs to Westminster the union would be at an end.

When that election result happened, it was NOT unionists who argued it wasn’t the case, it wasn’t Westminster who argued it wasn’t the case. I remember it very clearly, it was Nicola Sturgeon who said that it was not the case, and did not mean independence. She was the one who said so first.

You see, all along, she has created barrier after barrier to independence. Our biggest enemy is not Westminster, it is Nicola Sturgeon, who is holding Scotland back.

So far as I and many other folk are concerned, Scotland is already independent, but the barstewards in England are using illegal rulings and imagined English ‘constitutional’ nonsense to prevent it.

If, following the ruling at England’s invented pretendy ‘supreme court’ (which is wholly and completely in breach of the treaty and acts of union of 1706 and 1707), their is a majority of indy MPs returned from Scotland, it should be the end of the union, as was ALWAYS the case.

If Holyrood is not allowed to deliver it, then it MUST be via another route. It is called democracy, and I am sure as hell not gooing to tolerate some lying thuggish UNELECTED Tory cabal and their puppet pretendy English court in London to tell me Scottish democracy does not exist or matter. Scotland voted for indyref, yet a silly pretendy English court says, ‘no ye canny’.

All this machination about counts and percentages and so on, is in my eyes hogwash. You take a stand and deliver on it, THEN and only THEN do you put England in the position of having to actively block it. It makes them look bad. Westminster has MP’s who are elected to represent Scotland England Wales and N.Ireland. If the majority from Scotland want independence, then it is clear that is what WILL happen.

More than anytime in Scotland’s history we need a real leader. Nicola Sturgeon has shown herself to have the political nous of a nematode, she has to go.

This just cannot be allowed to drift. This cannot go on. Scotland wants out of this cursed undemocratic union, and we want England to stop stealing our wealth and assets to line their pockets.

So far as I am concerned, this will only get worse and deteriorate. We will not be kept prisoner by these UNELECTED red and blue Tory English barstewards, and we need action. Not sometime next year, not in 2024, but now, and if the SNP or Sturgeon are too feart or lazy, then they should get out of the way, and stop wasting our time.

We will NEVER get independence playing by England’s rules.

@Joe 12.52 am

Indeed Andy , don’t you see the rather obvious problem we have at this time ?

As pointed out by someone else above, I see a problem with using a poll from May 2022 as any kind of evidence. Even if the findings still hold, there won’t be a referendum next year, and was never likely to be one, so the point is moot.

Plebiscitary elections – as many including this site have been saying for an extended period – are far preferable at this point anyway.

As for you 12.37 am argument, that only holds if the SNP manages to strong arm the whole movement to treating them as the torch bearers and only “valid” votes for the purposes of counting towards independence.

Many people – including former members like me – will never vote SNP under any circumstances, so we better hope that there’s a full slate of pro-indy candidates come plebiscitary election time. The Scottish Greens have already said they will field a full set of candidates, so they can hardly complain if Alba, ISP, SSP etc. do likewise.

Alex Salmond may well be right that a single pro-indy movement candidate in each constituency would be the best solution, but we can’t afford to be purists and let the best be the enemy of the good. The SNP are never going to co-operate with Alba and other parties.

Robert Louis

I agree with all the other criticisms of Nicola Sturgeon but, it was under Alex Salmond over twenty years ago that the SNP abandoned the majority of MPs mandate in favour of a Holyrood indyref. A policy then continued under Swinney, Salmond and Sturgeon.

A doubtful policy that has finally been confirmed to be begging bowl politics as Holyrood has no legal right to hold indyrefs without WM permission.

Salmond got an indyref partly because he got a Holyrood SNP majority but also because the UK was very confident of winning – by hook and by crook as it turned out. The Edinburgh Agreement was a worthless piece of political theatre that the UK was able to breach with impunity.

So, I am not casting doubt on his desire and commitment to independence but merely stating I think the indyref policy has been over twenty years of SNP failure – beginning with Salmond.

Viscount Ennui’s 8:34 am link to Herald archived.

link to archive.ph

Quite a lot of direct links to unionist’s rags being posted btl lately.
Heads up that this just gives these papers page hits to sustain the control they hold.
Obviously unionists will be happy to post direct links to generate traffic, but true supporters of Scotland returning to self-governance shouldn’t be posting direct links or clicking on those links.

Now obviously the NuSNP bunged the unionist press some serious taxpayers’ dosh recently to sustain the papers’ failing economic situation.
On that note re. the question of whether the NuSNP are supposedly pro Scotland returning to full self-governance… Why would they fund influential organisations that are not supportive of their supposed main political aim…
“When someone shows you who they are, best believe them the first time”…

Quick question..

What’s the legal position with publishing emails on socmed that have a privacy statement on them?

Lots of us Have had emails from MPs and MSPs saYing they will never work with ALBA

It would be goid to be able to publish these in response to all the wailing crap about all working together.

Can we, or do we risk prosecution?

Dan says:
27 November, 2022 at 9:34 am

Viscount Ennui’s 8:34 am link to Herald archived.

Just to make clear once again that appropriate scrutiny and criticism of the SNP does not a Yoon make.

And in case anyone thinks we should stick with a section 30 order – you must be mad.

However, the FPTP system now works in our favour. The independence message is out there. The yoon parties are utterly discredited.

A united ‘YES’/Scottish independence/dissolve the union (call it what you like) candidate – Should they win a majority of seats for westmonster. Independence begins. The MPs instead of going to London go to Holyrood.

This will result in immediate international recognition.

Negotiations shouldn’t take long – Scotland will have no debt and ALL the major assets. We’d be loaded.

Anyone who tries to thwart this plan is not interested in independence. And we all know who’s busy trying to thwart this plan.

P.S. Nicola Sturgeon was in charge of the indy campaign in 2014. This explains a lot. And also explains her subsequent choice of ministers and staff.

P.P.S. I like the liberation.scot plan. Especially the bit about reparations. Please join.

If all these Treaties are being broken,,, and the Supreme Court is nothing more than a front for the English government,,,then why are great minds like Joanna Cherry not leading the charge and taking our case to some international body?

Why are we all scrambling about helplessly, unable to find a way out of this conundrum?

None of us are international constitutional lawyers, so all we do is chip in with our own ideas as to how we escape the clutches of the detested English bastards.

Where are all our deep thinkers,,,and what, in their opinion, is their plans to get us moving in the right direction?

Because if Sturgeon has her evil way, all we will be doing at the next UK General Election is electing 57 SNP MPs to sit on their arses until 2029.

As I’ve said before,,, Sturgeon’s long term plan for her SNP MPs is deliberately set out to take us well in to the 2030s.

And by all accounts,,, it’s unfolding before our very eyes.

She is running rings round the lot of us.

PS.

Maybe if Cherry and Co spent less time on Westminster committees, and more time fighting for Scottish independence, we might actually start getting some where.

@ George Ferguson

Well the article touches on the subject of whether the powers to do so are held by the Scottish Administration of Devolved Powers. Hmm, but they surely must be… or how could Sturgeon state she was going to setup a power company…
One last time… “When someone shows you who they are, best believe them the first time”

And as there may be new readership these days I’ll tack on some power related links.

Scotland currently generating all the power we require and exporting more than that amount.

link to extranet.nationalgrid.com

GB Grid using gas burnt in Combined Cycle Gas Turbines located in England to produce power.

link to gridwatch.templar.co.uk

But look where the gas being burnt actually originates from. The big volume line at Easington Langeled is from Norway. Whilst the 3 lines at St Fergus combine to a similar amount.

link to mip-prd-web.azurewebsites.net

@ Twathater

” here’s a pitiful wee tale; Scotland’s FM blocked my personal account; she’s now blocked @albaequalities
and @AlbaClacks
too. All three advocated SNP support in last year’s SP21 election and also in the council election this year. #ScotlandUnited seems a long way off. ”

And Alex & ALBA are intimating we should do so again eg support SNP in the next GE . They better find a 3rd cheek to turn, the other 2 have been slapped . Are they serious ?

Maybe they mean LIFE support for the terminally ill SNP ? Even if it survived , what quality of life would it have ? It’s brain severely damaged , it’s heartbeat a faint murmur , it’s limbs paralysed .

D.N.R

Genuinely surprised anyone still thinks Sturgeon/SNP will deliver anything other than more failure . The UKGE as Pleb Election is a total non-starter , WM/Brit State will laugh at it – rightly : even presuming it was clearly understood by Scottish voters a vote for the SNP was a vote for Independence , and the election was a success on that understanding , what next ?

Yip , that’s right , yet one more * undeniable * S30 will be ….eh ….denied . Despite what the Party droogs say , it’s easy for the Brit State to say ” No ” . The easiest thing in the world .Just two little letters ; though they might well exert themselves to use two little words instead – ” Fuck Off ”

We need to get it straight in our minds – this SNP are not , ever , going to * deliver * Independence – they’d struggle to deliver a letter , even if they were led by the hand to the front door of the addressee .

Rather than supporting the current SNP , the only thing we can hope to do is , somehow , strive to prevent * them * destroying whatever hope for Independence remains

The SNPs Deputy Leader Keith Brown appeared on the BBC’s Sunday show this morning, in which, when asked by Martin Geissler, as to why the SNP needed to wait two-years to hold a de facto indyref, and not just collapse Holyrood or have the First Minster resign as soon as, to trigger an election at Holyrood, Brown said that they couldn’t because on both proposals they needed a three-quarters majority to do so, and they don’t have that.

I wonder if that’s correct, or is Brown playing this down to string it out for two-years.

Geissler, of whom I’m no big fan, but sometimes he’s on the money, also said to Brown, why are you waiting till the Spring to hold a conference about this, why isn’t it being held much sooner, is the FM just stalling for time Geissler said.

@Joe 10:37pm
Agreed we are an Energy Rich country. But the question is “Who owns it?”. We have an opportunity to at least start the process of bringing critical energy resources back under public ownership. Hats off to the Welsh.

Dan @10.15am.

Dan.

If I were you I’d just ignore Joe, I will from now on, he/she’s been rumbled.

FullFact is headed by

Tory Party donor and AnneFreud Centre Chairman Michael Samuel.

@ Joe at 10:37 am

I’m no shill for Sturgeon or the NuSNP, but that’s live energy data I’ve linked to so not some middle of the night surplus generation crap you’re hinting at.

link to albaparty.org

Is Joe your real name or is it Sam.

link to twitter.com

George Ferguson says:27 November, 2022 at 10:51 am
@Joe 10:37pm
Agreed we are an Energy Rich country. But the question is “Who owns it?”. We have an opportunity to at least start the process of bringing critical energy resources back under public ownership. Hats off to the Welsh.
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We are not an energy rich country when Petrol and Diesel vehicles start to get phased out from 2030 onwards and the Oil price plummets due to lack of demand , try to learn real facts instead of parroting endless propaganda. There are also no plans whatsoever to renationalise power industries or any other Industry for that matter with Independence , in fact if anything more Scottish Gov Assets will be sold to the private sector if you follow Mike Russells pronouncations. Eire has private Healthcare with only 30% getting it free and the other 66% paying for it via private health insurance.
link to heraldscotland.com
Its strange you think Indy will mean renationalised Industries when the SNP had been giving Scotland’s energy Generation Capacity away themselves to companies based offshore (perhaps they own those companies themselves) link to heraldscotland.com

@Republic of Scotland 10:54pm
Spot on ROS.

Republicofscotland says:
27 November, 2022 at 10:54 am
Dan @10.15am.

If I were you I’d just ignore Joe, I will from now on, he/she’s been rumbled.FullFact is headed by
Tory Party donor and AnneFreud Centre Chairman Michael Samuel.
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and what pitiful false excuses are you going to provide for the SNP admitting themselves their data was just complete fabricated crap ? link to scotsman.com

@ Republicofscotland: “Keith Brown said…they needed a three-quarter majority” to collapse Holyrood.

Sigh. I have just emailed Keith Brown to explain the route via the FM resigning etc.

I told him I had emailed the FM, Todd, Roddick and Burgess already. None have replied, of course…