Wings Over Scotland

Neverendum indeed.

Oops. I meant she. I think.

Geri, I have replied to your comments on the previous post. Stu’s output is very fast now – wonderful!

Well that’s yet another remix of the “All The Things She Said” track.

But just how many more will it take for the Simple Minds to finally realise this purveyor of waffle fails to back up what she says.

“SCOTLAND MUST HAVE CHOICE OVER FUTURE”, Aye and we must have “CHOICE” in who is going to lead us into that future. Sturgeon has proven herself to be a coward and a liar in the intervening period, a liability the country can no longer sustain.

Scotland’s right to sovereignty is being hived off by the SNP HIERARCHY with nary a hint of dissent from the spineless hypocrites who sit in Holyrood courtesy of the SNP vote.

STURGEON’S duplicity is there for all to see, we need tae campaign for her removal. SCOTLAND GET AFF YOUR KNEES!

2017 was also when Alex Salmond was pushing for IndyRef2 to be held in September 2018.

This is when the Murrell’s evil plan was hatched,, Salmond had to be taken out the equation.

Because if Salmond had got his way, it would have brought an end to the Murrell Grand Plan of Devolution for ever more and the pushing through parliament of Sturgeon’s baby,,, reform of the Gender Recognition Bill.

Her record in office does not make for good reading.

She’s managed to destroy the SNP

Destroyed the YES Movement.

Destroyed our hopes of Scottish Independence.

Destroyed every department in the Scottish government that she has had control over, including health and education.

She’s the most incompetent First Minister Scotland has ever had.

The woman is a human wrecking ball.

But through all those failures, she still rules supreme.

And we still need to dance to her tune.

Signed,

Absolutely baffled.

The trouble with Sturgeon is that she has now gone full circle and become Thatcher, the woman she supposedly hated and got into politics to combat. Thatcher was pathological and had to be dragged screaming away from the levers of power. Sturgeon is the same. She is a needy narcissist, whose whole personality would crumble away from the spotlight. A lonely political zealot teen who got into politics at 16, she has finally found all the teen playmates, in the form of her young gay friends (never looks happier than when waving from the top of a gay pride float), she did not have back then, all the approbation and attention.

She’s known nothing but politics and Machievallian behaviour for her whole adult life, setting her whole heart on getting where she is now, comfy with her wee deranged teenbrained female cabal, and silenced guys she loves stepping on. It’s the only job she’s ever done she’s had any measure of success at. And that’s how she measures it – personal success, not what’s good for the country. Leaving would destroy her. She’s completely mad.

GOOD LAD. KEEP IT UP .KEEP THE PUNTERS INFORMED. WE ARE EASILY FOOLED. I AM A GAIDHEAL SO I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU ON EVERYTHING HENCE THE LORD GIVING US A EACH.

Sturgeon loves power, so she sides with power and defers to power. Everything else about her is bullshit. it is an extreme case of two things. The first is utter contempt for the general punter. the second is self-advancement. They are laughing at us while they round on folk from any quarte, at the moment folk who are serious about independence, r who threaten to interfere with their grift. In the furture they will control even that. have you witnessed recently sturgeon occassional performances in parliament? She is hardly ever there. She turns up occasionally knowing the subjects at hand, just like westminster, and pats off the tame questioning. The committees are a joke. The place is deid already. it has already been closed down

@No idea 11:36pm
Well that’s a good post. Well done! And somebody has to explain to me, why the food bank wants tinned potatoes and not the 56Kg potato bags from the farmers for nothing. I guess that’s too complicated.

Oops!
Time is too short to waste
link to youtube.com

A wee chink of light…. I saw a tweet of an interview with Sir Curtice.. of Britnat Polling fame.

He (of all people) was arguing (almost passionately) about why its not what Scotland gets to spend, but about getting a say on how it is spent.

In its own small way, it was a significant earthquake.

Instead of reading the ‘Scots are too insignificant to worry about it’ script, he was trying to get it through to the English audience, the reason why our cause is not going away. He was trying to educate them and rally them… and in the doing so, he was actually making the case for Indy.

That is new ground. And in the same day, another English political pundit… the one who did all the Brexit tweets (sorry cannot recall his name) tweeted about denying the Scots a vote on Indy = Colony Status, and was stupid, and wouldn’t work ( I am of course paraphrasing).

England spreads/hides all the blame of her actions on ‘British’… can’t really do that if its England v Scotland with no distractions…. and they’re the baddies. Not a comfortable feeling for them.

How did that meme go again… first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

They’ve stopped laughing, and it looks like they will have a divided house if it comes to fighting.

The ground is beginning to shift folks.

“I will choose freewill”

Rush!

George,
When push comes to shove you can’t eat raw tatties. At least out a tin they’re cooked even if they are cold.
Fresh Tatties are a bugger for going to seed so fast.

Aye Sarah – it’s tragic. It seems Bonnie Scotland has ruined her landscape for the benefit of next door. We can keep warm this winter by fkn waving at our energy being thieved. We may not have escaped a fuel cost crisis but we sure as shit would’ve had an emergency fund for the down times & meter & standing charges abolished. It’s pig sick Sturgeon didn’t even attempt to get us out as freedom of information proved. She sat on her arse while rome burns.

Interesing to dig this out. But it simply rings into focus the utter spin that we’ve told these last eight years.

Surgeon is a liar and an utter betrayer. Says one thing, does another, she is an agent of the British establishment.

We need to get rid of her and her freeloading team. We must remove and replace the utterly corrupted SNP.

Time now to sup up our Britannic greatness as our living standards and economy soars dowm the stank. Enjoy folks, this is what you voted for.

The farcical thing is, I read something a while ago about the US Military, and how strong and prepared for war it was… in it’s own words.

The yardstick was preparedness to be fighting two major engagements in different parts of the world at the same time. They all rated themselves very low. The mighty airforce has a lot of aircraft, but many aren’t airworthy or battleready, the army and marines are struggling with recruitment, and while the Navy is ok, it’s limited say, for a battle central in a big landmass.

Now in fairness, that could be a load of rubbish, both strategic disinformation or a ruse to keep up defence spending.

The point is, that’s the US.

Who and what are the UK ready to fight? There is no way that even the Falklands Task Force could be put together, there just isn’t the capacity. With both China and Russ having hypersonic anti shipping missiles large enough to be described as Aircraft Carrier destroyers, your UK carriers, assuming they’re not broken down again, are pretty much going to be incredibly vulnerable make or break targets.

The UK, without US backup, isn’t going to scare anyone, except as a psychotic threat to escalation.

I can’t help but wonder too, with so much NATO armour and equipment now scrap metal in Yookraine, or overweight and bogged to the axles skittering about in mud, that the West has put all it’s eggs in one basket and after decades in the Middle East is all geared up for a desert theatre, and might now lack appropriate versatility to fight in mud/ snow etc.

I would hazard a guess there are some huge research grants going into defence, hypersonic missiles, air defence, countermeasures, drone warfare, armour, artillery… There really isn’t very much evidence of anything proving decisive against the Russ. HIMARS maybe… until they’re gone.

Drones are pretty scary. Terrifying already, but they’re in their infancy.There will be nowhere to hide or run away to.

I honestly don’t know the extent to which it’s bluster, but from what I’ve seen, a lot of western military hardware is considered over engineered and overpriced junk, and there’s a Lancet missile with it’s name on it.

There’s a new Abrahams tank, seems very hi-tech, but I haven’t much about it, good or bad. Not in Yookraine I hasten to add.

What I think we’re seeing in Yookraine which simply wasn’t a factor in the Middle East, is a war where attrition is a factor, “after” all the shiny hi tech stuff has been smashed. Frankly there are ominous echoes of WW2 where German military tech came unstuck against brute force and production numbers.

Those Iranian doodlebug type drones are the same low-tech approach to hi-tech and very difficult to counter because it doesn’t have much of a brain to disrupt.

How much do you invest in armour that won’t be around after a couple of weeks? I think the West may be a bit complacent because most of it’s gear survived the Middle East intact for long periods. It’s a different kind of war when you’ve gotta replace it and it’s crew.

The West builds itself for a first round knockout. I think the Russ are prepared to survive round one, and go 12 rounds. China? No idea. Rumoured to be testing hypersonic jets, not just missiles.

We should not be picking fights with these people. It’s stupid.

Wullie and Breeks above,

Indeed. China is of course getting completely out of order, and that needs addressed. But the grandstanding of Westminster in regards to China, is beyond laughable. If I were the China ambassador, invited to the foreign office, and they started banging on about human rights and democracy, i’d just say one word, Scotland. The people of Scotland clearly voted by a massive majority in favour of a democratic referendum on independence, but London is blocking it.

The brass neck of the red or blue English Tories lecturing ANY country on human rights is now a complete joke. Neither party will respect Scottish democracy, so have no right whatsoever to lecture other countries on ‘respecting human rights and democracy’.

It is however, interesting to note, that protests against covid controls in China have been going on for a very long time. Interesting then, that both SKY, ITV and the BBC all merrily lined up to make it their number 1 news story on Monday (as if it had just started), just in advance of the unelected English colonial dictator Sunak, making a speech about it.

Do none of the so-called ‘journalists’ have any self respect?? All falling in line to suit the English government of the day. Utterly pathetic, and only shows yet again, why we simply cannot trust or rely on the mainstream media.

Someone must’ve gifted Sunak a screwdriver set & he’s pissed off they’ve bent.

Not much into wars & warfare but from what I’ve read & heard they’re pissed they’re moving away from trading in the US$
The US is skint & the people are getting pissed now they’re wasting billions on war & achieving nothing.

They’re looking for a war cause they owe China a lot of money – they ran up tick they can’t pay but tbh it could be as simple as the wind blowing the wrong way. Warmongering barstewards – didn’t take Sunak long to slip into GI Joe mode.

They’re a systemic challenge to our values & interests – do they listen to us & we’re right next door!

There’s no jurnos left (excluding bloggers). They’re just typists now. Typing out the memo.

I think it was 22 newspapers in Scotland & only one was Scottish. All the rest are foreign owned.

To paraphrase Rents…

It’s a SH*TE state of affairs to be in, folks, and ALL the “Happy St Andrew’s Days” in the world won’t make any f**king difference.”

This is a serious post because I think that many of us are caught in a bit of a dilemma.

IF we are to support the route outlined by Mr Campbell on these does, does it mean that we should ‘wheesht for indy’ since any fair critique of Sturgeon’s appalling record is likely to diminish support for not only the SNP, but the Greens who keep her dreaful administration in office?

Drug deaths, prison deaths, A&E wait times, children’s mental health, the dramatic decline in eucational and care standards, the ferry fiasco, malicious prosecutions of Salmond and the Rangers administrators, BiFab, the smelter debacle, gender twaddle, etc etc.

Just ignore those and effectively state that by gaining independence and giving more power to the SNP this will lead us to the sunlit uplands???

It seems to me that ALBA is the only sensible option in that sense but they will never get the support we need, thanks to NS.

Seriously, do we wheesht for indy??

Viscount Ennui

I call your attention to Step 2 in link to wingsoverscotland.com – less than 24 hours ago

Upon the secure establishment of independence, a new general election will be called immediately.

The SNP would no doubt love to transition to a one-party state but chances of that are slim indeed. Even if it did happen the problems you list would bring down any government in any normal country.

” IF we are to support the route outlined by Mr Campbell on these does, does it mean that we should ‘wheesht for indy’ since any fair critique of Sturgeon’s appalling record is likely to diminish support for not only the SNP, but the Greens who keep her dreaful administration in office? ”

That’s a kinda weird interpretation of the post , Monsieur Ennui .

What’s outlined in the previous post and the question asked in this one is the HOW of progressing Independence and the WHY enquiring of SNP sloth and cowardice in relation to the former , respectively .

Part of the task is separating the – admittedly abysmal – record of Sturgeon/SNP GOV from the question of what they as the Government of the day and ( unfortunately ) the only entity in the position RIGHT NOW – can/should be doing .

Their record as it stands is another reason why waiting two years on some vague , half-arsed ” we’ll call the next G.E a P.E ” * plan * is such a terrible idea ; their record is bound to get worse , given the wayward trajectory of the entire Nu SNP * project * , the manifest incompetence of those in senior positions and the deluge of negative press that will be unleashed as the next G.E approaches . An election in which the Scottish Question will loom large , with Unionist Parties vying to outdo each other in their , ….strong determination to stand firm against the Separatists – or some such bulldog bollocks

link to youtube.com

Shame on all these ‘women’ saying nothing!

Someone commented ‘There sat Mridul Wadhwa a fully intact male.

For all we know every single ‘woman’ at that meeting might be a fully intact male.

link to twitter.com

Too true.

Stuart MacKay says:
That’s a kinda weird interpretation of the post , Monsieur Ennui .

Stuart, I am not disputing the Rev’s strategy at all but rather questioning the implications of handing power to what I believe to be a tyrannical regime.

Even if a GE is held immediately after independence, the glory of that achievement would profer huge kudos on Sturgeon at al and would power them to an overwhelming and very dangerous working majority.

Sturgeon would regain her position as a martyr having ‘sacrificed her post’ for the sake of the nation.

The key is wresting power from the current SNP hegemony. NOW.

The STUC leader speaks out.

“IT should be for the Scottish Parliament to decide “whether and when” indyref2 is held – despite the Supreme Court’s ruling that it does not have the power to do so, the Scottish Trades Union Congress has said.

The intervention from the STUC – which represents some 540,000 working people from trade unions across Scotland – comes after the UK’s highest court ruled that legislating for a second independence referendum was outwith Holyrood’s competence.

In the wake of the court’s unanimous decision, the SNP Trade Union Group (SNPTUG) – which represents some 14,000 members within the party – called on the STUC to “reaffirm its support for the right of the Scottish people to decide their constitutional future”.

“The decision of the Supreme Court is historic. It confirms that at present Westminster, and only Westminster, is the arbiter of the constitutional fate for the Scottish people. The so-called voluntary union between Scotland and England is no longer voluntary,” Ramsay added.

“It’s longstanding policy of the STUC that it should be for the Scottish Parliament to determine whether and when to hold a second referendum. This remains the case.”

link to 12ft.io

Hahahaha, do forgive the chortle (schadenfreude I believe would be the correct term) a few weeks ago the SNP Twittler youth get Stuart banned from Twitter (again) to their great glee.

Not so gleeful now I would fancy.

A great stream of articles filled with daggers and darts and aimed squarely at the correct targets. Keep it up Stuart you’re making my old heart sing again.

link to archive.ph

‘Sturgeon was heckled as she delivered her speech. As organisers tried to stop her, a woman shouted at the first minister: “Women campaigning for women’s rights is not against trans people. Shame on you. You are letting down vulnerable women in Scotland not allowed to have their own spaces away from any male.
The woman, who said that she had supported trans rights for 30 years, said: “I’ve received rape threats, death threats from men who self-ID as women. Women are being assaulted because they are standing up for women’s rights. Shame on you. You have fermented this culture in Scotland. I see you and thousands of women in Scotland see you too.”’

Looks like the Tories are the champions of women’s rights!

Although the incident where the young vulnerable woman was raped by a ‘transwoman’ happened in England and Eddie Izzard putting on a dress and automatically becoming a she also happened in England where the Tories are in power.

We know when the process ends – when her and her odious husband no longer rule the SNP as their personal fiefdom.

Of course Mr Marmalade & his fragrant wife will have to be removed from the “succession” before that happens….

The longer we are held in this prison like union, the more I feel I can relate to the Palestinian cause.

“Israel has turned to its global allies in desperation, urging them to help stop a Palestinian bid at the United Nations for an advisory opinion from the International Court of Justice on the Tel Aviv regime’s occupation of Palestinian territories.

In a letter on Tuesday, Israeli prime minister, Yair Lapid, urged 50 heads of state, including those of the UK and France, to pressure the Palestinian Authority and prevent it from promoting a relevant resolution passed at the General Assembly in November, according to a report by Reuters.

The resolution, approved by a UN committee, asks the ICJ to “urgently” weigh in on Israel’s “prolonged occupation, settlement and annexation of the Palestinian territory,” which it said were violating the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination.”

robertknight at 8.10am. My favourite soliloquy. Got the T-shirt too.

Johnny @ 9.45

BOOM!

In one sentence you have summed up what Sturgeon is all about.

The last thing she wants is independence. She has even taken out insurance against it happening, namely:

1 In the court case by saying the result of a referendum would be meaningless.

2 In the de facto referendum, by saying the same thing through the mouths of Tony Giugliano and Mhairi Hunter.

She has done everything she can to prevent a successful ‘yes’ vote – split the movement, alienated half the population (the women) with the gender nonsense, stuffed the one person who was most able to deliver it, chosen the wrong election and it’s terms, fail to make a strong case …you can add the rest.

But she was still not sure she could prevent a ‘yes’ vote, hence the way out if it happened.

It is the retention of power at any cost which she craves. She has indeed become a monster, worse than the one she is pretending to fight.

If people don’t wake up to this soon, we are doomed to either a ‘no’ vote, or a ‘yes’ vote which has no teeth whatsoever.

The real enemy is staring us in the face, and people are falling for her con trick. It’s time to stop the monster or go under.

A shiver ran through SNP ranks looking for a spine to run up..
After that kick-the-dog pronouncement from the anglo «Supreme Court», the idea of a Scot, why are those Nat mps!!!!! still stuck to those Westminster benches….a very bad case of nervous flatulence perhaps?
Just what does it take to galvanize these people?

Stonewall Director manipulated MSP….what a surprise

link to twitter.com

Scotsrenewables says:30 November, 2022 at 11:06 am

Wow – a self-confessed Unionist with the same fantasy as the SNP – that the British state would let democracy trump self-interest.
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Well get out there and get the numbers required instead of projecting your own invented conspiracy theories. Do you remember us having a Referendum in 2014 or not ?

Sheev Palpatine

For anyone familiar with the Star Wars films, Scotland has its own Palpatine pulling all the strings at the moment. And there is no sign of a Luke Skywalker to stop her.

The Empire is winning with Nicola in charge.

Quotes from C-3PO in film ‘A New Hope’:

‘This is madness’; ‘We’re doomed’.

Both true under Sturgeon. Whether it’s yes or no it doesn’t lead to independence.

One final quote for Blah Blah B. ‘Don’t call me a mindless philosopher, you overweight glob of grease’

This time last year I had a fairly lengthy discussion on these pages with @Hatuey WRT the most likely route to getting Independence back on track.

My view then was that the only realistic hope was a rebellion withing NSNP, when as few as 8 rebels voting against the administration would result in a minority ‘gov’.

A lot has happened since then, of course, the plague has ended, the war has started, the great energy savagery (rip-off) began in earnest and is now in full swing, the SC ruling and faux outrage a la sturgeon, and NSNP being forced into full defensive mode over GRR – (but see clips provided by @Robbo & @Ruby).

We’ve seen many false dawns in recent years, but 2022 has shown many cracks starting to appear at HQ. In addition to the above events there are loud rumblings of discontent at WM and the GRR rebellion a few weeks ago. MSM is beginning to report some uncomfortable truths, and the public is starting to take on board the warnings from WoS and elsewhere.

When, as is inevitable, Sturgeon and her clique disintegrates, there must be an issue or an event that triggers that downfall and for a multitude of reasons, it could happen in the coming weeks. Nobody can be unaware of catastrophic across the board failings in every area of policy, or of the numpties that have been put in place and are responsible for these failings.
She cannot show ‘weakness’ by watering down GRR – not if she wants to keep the greens on board – yet if she does go ahead, then there could be an even bigger rebellion in the ranks. When splits appear HR and WM, then fighting friendly fire on two fronts may be the time when more MSPs and MPs grow a pair and recall Killer Howe v Thatcher: –
“The time has come for others to consider their own response to the tragic conflict of loyalties with which I have myself wrestled for perhaps too long”

And even if this admin. does remain in place over Christmas, we head straight into the January fuel crisis mk2, as pointed out in my comment on the previous thread.

EBOK 12:08

The road to independence involves a leap through the fiery hoop of faith.
Too many seem fearful of what they might find on the other side.
Too many seek belt and braces guarantees.
Too many are simply not up to the task.
Too many like bread and circuses.

sarah says:
30 November, 2022 at 12:36 am

It’s bloody awful that we live in a country where our poorest have to eat tinned and processed food instead of real food.

Cheeses wept, talk about middle class Guardianistas concepts of poverty! This one’s right up there with “Who would be serving us our coffee in Pret?”

Tinned food IS real food: it’s good enough for most fruit and veg and has the advantage of a long shelf life without the need for a fridge (until it’s opened).

Furthermore, if you’re coming home from a ten/twelve hour shift and haven’t the energy to go peeling and prepping food, tins and packets have the advantage of being able to get something good and nutritional in you. Whilst processed food is a fair call from all the crap that’s in it, demonising all tinned food is the surest sign of being out of touch with how the vast majority live.

It shouldn’t go understated that when it comes to Human Rights, Scotland is prepared to jail a journalist for crimes which can’t be specified, based on nothing but the whim of a Judge. That stinks a lot more than is being reported.

Shame on you too ECJ.

Someone tell me why the Courts are so terrified to hear an appeal?

I’ve no evidence for saying it, but it stinks of collusion and “you scratch my back”. Justice must be “seen” to be done, so there ought to be even more scrutiny into Craig Murray’s treatment.

All very unsatisfactory.

Can’t lie, I was once an ardent supporter of Europe, and want to be again, but after Catalonia, Yookraine, Craig Murray…. I’m still pro Europe, but much less ardent about it.

Who is Joe?

Biden perhaps?

Merganser – glad it helped!

VISCOUNT ENNUI
Do not see the connexion?
Brexit was a manifestation of backward looking Little England’s post imperial delusion.
Having faith in the idea of Scotland as a sovereign state, something else entirely.
Scots have had it too easy in their comfort blanket UK.
Time they got out more and tested the alternatives.
An exhilarating «bumpy» ride, not for the timorous.

Re China needing addressed.
It’s beyond time that people should realise that the UK and the US have NO right to
interfere in another countries processes.

The people themselves have to rebel and should be supported in doing so.
Change can only come from within, it cannot be imposed

@Geri

Also, mind Mike Russell’s 11-point roadmap to achieving a Scottish Independence Referendum.

Listening to Rishi Sunak PM today at PMQs, its crystal clear that he’s just another Boris Johnson type only slightly better dressed and with combed hair.

His responses to some important questions asked by opposition party MPs were met with blatantly formulaic responses, with very few direct answers. Sunak used Boris Johnson tactics in throwing figures around to prove his points, but we all know that Johnson did the exact same when PM, and it turned out that most of the figures banded about by Johnson were false.

The SNP’s Ian (Scotland won’t stand for it) Blackford, asked Sunak about how does Scotland find itself a way out of this union. Sunak’s response was typically formulaic in that we should respect the 2014 indyref result, and that look how good the UK government did on the Covid vaccine rollout.

By 2017, the SNP was totally captured by the rainbow warriors. No way, no how were we getting to push for independence, no matter how bad it was to get. Sorry, but that is the plain truth. So few appear to see the links between the ‘trans’ issue and independence – that is, the pushing of the former at the expense of the latter, except as a distraction. It is not a distraction. For them, independence is the distraction. These wokerati never had the slightest intention of bringing in independence.

Nicola Sturgeon is really panicking now because she can see perfectly well that the ‘trans’ issue has split her party, the independence movement and Holyrood, and, above all, it has the potential to make her look bad. Alec Salmond had to be removed from the front-line because he was, and remains, an impediment to the bigger picture. Does everyone think that it is all a coincidence? Of course it isn’t. Is she panicking about independence? I think not. Still enough of the faithful think she’s the bees knees. She is, however, panicking about the GRA Reform Bill not passing because she knows she will be brought down the minute it hits the buffers. The people behind this stuff are utterly ruthless.

Look at the Denton’s Document and weep. It is all there in black and white. If anyone is addled enough to believe that independence will come if only the GRA Reform Bill is pushed through without too much dissent, think again. Queer Theory dominates the ‘trans’ discourse nowadays, and QT demands that ALL prohibitive laws be torn down. The GRA Reform Bill is just the beginning. Does anyone really believe, given those facts, that they will allow independence to derail their plans? If you do, you’re living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. If you think this is just a women’s issue, you are living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. We ain’t seen anything yet. Both women and independistas are fighting an existential fight and it is totally interlinked. For independista females, the fight is two-fold. Unless we all understand that, neither anti GRA Reform people nor independistas have a snowball’s chance in hell if defeating these absolute b******s, and, as for those of us who are in both camps…

Can you see some serious contradictions to Scotlands parliament history of Union dates.

Read a fair bit, but I’m not sure what I’m looking for. I think I’m reading Ye Olde Worlde Hansen…

Somebody seems to be pockling the muster, claiming more pay for soldiers than he has, more horses than he feeds… Someone else in a (veterans?) hospital seems on the pockle by offering treatment to non veterans…

What’s niggling you specifically JC?

Joe @11.54am.

I normally wouldn’t response to such utter bollocks, however, McDonald is a well known UK government puppet, he’s also in the pockets of the Israeli’s (via Shia Masot) though he’s not the only SNP MSP/MP in their pocket.

link to sourcenews.scot

McDonald is such a Whitehall lackey that his extensive actions on behalf of his Westminster masters earned the pr*ck the highest medal of honour you can receive from (404) McDonald even got it presented to him somewhere near Westminster or in one of its halls.

Breeks says:
30 November, 2022 at 6:53 am

‘We should not be picking fights with these people. It’s stupid.’

I’ve recently watched John Pilgers disturbing 2016 film/documentary ‘The Coming War on China’.
I don’t recall if it’s been discussed on Wings since, but it’s hard-hitting from the outset. Even if only half of it is authentic, and much of it seems to be based on verifiable evidence, it belies the notion of balance in foreign affairs reporting – as if it were ever so.

And if any of the madmen out west really believe in never-ending war as a solution to anything or that nuclear wars are winnable, then goodbye planet earth.

The Pilger film can be viewed on Netflix/You Tube.

Not being flippant re this –

Daisy Walker says:
30 November, 2022 at 1:42 pm

Slogan for Indy

In An Independent Scotland… we can put the Heating Back On!

– It’s cold, people can feel it, every household in Scotland, and this time last year it wasn’t an issue.

When you can feel it, when yesterday it was fine…. then it’s not just a slogan, it’s a reality. A real, achievable, doable, reality.

Scotland, the energy capital of Europe, getting shafted with the highest energy prices in Europe – thanks to Westminster and Brexit.

Let’s Get Indy, and Get the Heating Back On.

Lorna Campbell @ 2.51

An interesting read and some valid points.

I have a slightly different take on it. I don’t think the SNP was captured by the Rainbow Warriors. Nicola wouldn’t let herself be captured. More likely I think that she could see the usefulness of them in her strategy to prevent independence. You and I actually arrive at the same point on this when you say there was never any intention to bring in independence.

I think she is happy to split her party as it suits her purpose, and she will continue to use it to entrench her position. She gets rid of the dissenters and replaces them with more Nicola worshippers.

It has a huge impact on the independence movement generally because it alienates so many normal thinking people, not just the 50% of women voters. If she was genuinely interested in achieving independence she would not have linked that so closely with the trans issue.

She had to get Alex. Salmond out of the way, as he was a genuine independence seeker. Job done.

I agree she is not panicking about independence. She had ensured that could not happen whilst she is in charge, by saying in the Supreme Court that any referendum would have no effect (just in case the Court let her have one}.

And now by trying to slip under the radar the comments by Mhairi Hunter and Toni Giugliano which completely undermine the effect of a Yes vote, which she would fall back on in the unlikely event a Yes vote won.

So I think she is just using the Trans issue as a means to an end – and enjoying all the feathers she is rustling .and not caring about the impact on women this would have.

The sad thing is that so many people cannot see her for what she is. If or when they do it will be too late. Independence will have been kicked into the long grass, and women’s rights will have been shredded.

Lorna Campbell says:
30 November, 2022 at 2:51 pm

‘She is, however, panicking about the GRA Reform Bill not passing because she knows she will be brought down the minute it hits the buffers. The people behind this stuff are utterly ruthless’

The GRA Reform Bill WILL pass Lorna, but I don’t see that as sturgeons’ problem. The bill will pass because the English labour party has instructed Slab to support it, and they will. Add on Lib support and you will see that it won’t fail.

The problem for Sturg is dissent from within. If the number of rebels increase, particularly if including an MSP returning from maternity leave, then a raft of other policies, which may not have the support of the ‘opposition’, may be voted down.

Those pushing behind Sturg may seem powerful at the moment, but they are not numerically strong and once she goes, just watch those dominoes fall.

Just spoke to friends who were at a meeting in Lochgilphead with Brendan O’Hara and Jenny Minto, MP and MSP respectively for Argyll and Bute.

My friends have stuck with the SNP all along, though sympathetic and understanding of my defection to ALBA. Now they are enraged and mystified by the SNP’s response to the SC judgement, utterly disgusted by the Keith Brown interview and the pathetic promise of a party conference ‘next year’

(They were however impressed by ALBA bringing forward an emergency conference – OPEN TO ALL INDY SUPPORTERS – just 10 days from now, on December 10th)

They asked Brendan O’Hara why not a Holyrood plebiscite election and, interestingly, he seemed open to the idea and agreed nothing should be off the table. (Minto was a waste of space and had to leave early for the ferry)

Others at the meeting also had difficulty understanding the party’s lack of action, and my friends felt a palpable undercurrent of anger and disappointment in the audience.

My feeling is, Sturgeon has maybe taken the sheeplike behaviour of her followers too much for granted this time. I think she may be in the process of making a career-critical mistake.

Bring it on! Make sure you chat to all your SNP friends and, if the seeds of doubt are not already there, plant them.

There WILL bbe a change in SNP policy and attitude before Christmas or I think they are finished. Get the party grassroots emailing and kicking up a fuss, NOW

The only reason there’s any debate or discussion about using Holyrood elections for plebiscitary purposes is down to Wings. And it was also Wings that debunked the false claim that there was no mechanism to force a Holyrood election.

A lot of people won’t like that, but it’s true…

Let’s have a toast for the douchebags
Let’s have a toast for the assholes
Let’s have a toast for the scumbags
Every one of them that I know
Let’s have a toast for the jerk-offs
That’ll never take work off
Baby, I got a plan
Run away fast as you can

The Nicolson story is a squirrel in a teacup intended to distract us from the cowardly antics of Nicola and the SNP leadership.

@ Geri at 1.09: I love baked potatoes – butter and cheese, or baked beans, or tuna and yogurt, or with a salad. So your suggestion of a 56lb sack from a local farmer is my idea of “real” food – and green as having no food miles, and the farmer getting a proper price straight in their pocket.

That’s why it is such a shame that people have to have tinned veg instead – yes, it has some nutrition but it is dull always having tinned food, and there’s none of the other advantages referred to above.

Hatuey says:
30 November, 2022 at 5:10 pm

The only reason there’s any debate or discussion about using Holyrood elections for plebiscitary purposes is down to Wings. And it was also Wings that debunked the false claim that there was no mechanism to force a Holyrood election.

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There is a mechanism for effecting a new election, that’s never been disputed, but there isn’t one to turn it into a “de-facto referendum”.

The sole purpose of an election is to elect individual members, and that’s it. You cannot repurpose legislation to mean something it doesn’t.

Even if 50% + 1 is reached in favour of candidates supporting a declaration of independence, the purpose of the election remains as is. ie Not a referendum.

Please stop talking about a Holyrood election amounting to a plebiscitary election. It won’t be, unless and until the Scotland Act is amended to that effect.

“But, but, but…it’ll show the world” – no it won’t, because the purpose of elections is only to elect individual members on manifestos that aren’t legally binding in the first place.

We do not elect the Government or FM in Scotland, ever. That’s entirely down to the chamber where members vote how they choose, not on behalf of us.

Democracy ends when the members take their places in the legislatures – thanks for your vote, who are you?

If the people want a referendum, we can organise one ourselves.

If the people want a public petition in support of and/or against independence, we can organise one ourselves.

If the people want to prosecute a case averring breaches of Union with England Act 1707, we can do that too.

Everything I’ve read says canned & frozen veg are as good as fresh.

Tinned potatoes however are awful.

Made into a potato salad with mayonnaise & chives – still awful
Mashed with butter – still awful
Fried with onions – still awful.

Smash slightly better.

I would be lost without my tins of
tuna, baked beans, corn, tomato soup & tomatoes.

A few years ago I shared my super quick & nutritious soup recipes here on Wings for folk in a hurry. I might do that again. My last tin of canned potatoes might go into one of my soup experiments.

@ Dan . 5.06

Yl have clocked this from the Art-formerly-known-as Wish ….

” A truly shocking episode. I write for the National on what all this means. You don’t want to miss it….. ”

Were you truly shocked ; did it turn out you did want to miss it ?

I looked around for shock , couldn’t find it , so decided to give it a miss .

Guess we’ll never know ” what all this means ”

( I was wondering , is John Nicholson made of paper mache ? )

@twathater says:30 November, 2022 at 6:14 pm

Laydees and genelmen it appears we have 2 new recruits for arsehole of the year to compete with our usual resident arseholes

You thinking like I am thinking TH?

The poster likening Scotland to the land formerly known as Palestine?

The poster prefixing his claims with “I’ve no evidence, but …”?

Uh oh. Don’t say we actually have 4 new recruits in our midst!

@Ebok says:30 November, 2022 at 3:35 pm

I’ve recently watched John Pilgers disturbing 2016 film/documentary ‘The Coming War on China’.
I don’t recall if it’s been discussed on Wings since

That’s 6 years ago then, Ebok.

Since then the Chinese have cost the world trillions of dollars and millions of lives lost through their new flu, so I guess we could say that as they started it, they will be getting what they deserve.

What? You still believe Covid was just one of those things?

The war has been discussed on Wings BTL. The hot, shooting war will start prior to Xmas 2022, so less than 4 weeks away.

Alert readers will know to what I refer.

Leek & Potato Soup. New super fast recipe.

Chuck a packet of frozen leeks into pot
add some frozen garlic if you want
a stock cube veg or chicken
boil it up (around 5 mins) check packet
oops nearly forgot to say add water.
lastly add the tinned potatoes with the brine
boil until potatoes are hot.
Whizz it up with your stick blender.
Hey presto the soup is ready.

Add some frozen parsley before serving.
(heat of soup will defrost parsley)
If you want to serve it cold you could add some milk and call it vichyssoise
It it doesn’t taste too good cut up some large squares of toast and top it with cheese and grill till cheese melts. (see french onion soup link to tinyurl.com)

Everything tastes better with grilled cheese.
Don’t forget the ground pepper.
Enjoy! 🙂

PS The tinned potatoes maybe taste shit but they only cost 35p for a 550 gram tin.

Main with the fishing rod out.

Ignore this dildo.

Him and his other “names” dominating every thread since the Rev returned.

Probably not even contributing to the Rev’ fundraiser.

On here on a freebie, off the backs of others who are paying the Rev.

In the end people will cancel monthly payment if these clowns are going to dominate proceedings.

I for one will not pay a monthly payment so these pricks can swan on and take over for free.

Fuck off ya Wanker.

If Main Ellis Chas Joe are going to dominate proceedings,,,then tell Rev you are going to cancel your monthly payment.

These pricks are on here for free,,,and taking over your website.

Good evening, Scott.

“You cannot repurpose legislation to mean something it doesn’t.”

That’s interesting. What’s your favourite colour?

(Nobody talked about repurposing anything btw.)

It’s not just the Westminster government that hides results from their polling on Scottish independence using taxpayer’s cash because the polls show Scots want out of this prison of a union.

“A LEADING polling company has denied claims it was carrying out secret polling on Scottish independence.

Scottish folk star Eddi Reader claimed on Tuesday she had given her views to an interviewer working for Ipsos Mori – only to be told the research would not be published.

The firm has told The National it is investigating Reader’s complaint and confirmed the research, which aimed at taking a snapshot of “public sentiment in Scotland” would be published next week.

Just took part in a IPSOS poll on Scottish politician opinion.
I got into a wee conversation, the researcher told me that so far, over the past few days, all called say YES! To Indy.
They asked their supervisor 4 publish date : “it’s not gonna be published, just opinion research””

link to 12ft.io

If Sturgeon wasn’t such a treacherous shit, we’d have dumped this ball and chain prison by now, we still can if Sturgeon the Judas resigns, maybe her MSPs will finally grow a pair and take their snouts out of the taxpayer’s trough long enough to compel her to stand down.

Hey Ruby, you can grow your own coriander and a lot of other herbs for that matter. Growing plants, especially for food is very therapeutic for the soul, and sadly so many folk seem to have given up this aspect of self-sufficiency.
My basil plant is still hanging in there on the window sill even in this dark and inclement Scottish weather.
Have just planted out a couple of dozen seed garlic cloves last week for next year’s crop. Made a couple of small trenches and filled them with rich compost from my wormery, then pushed each clove in a couple of inches below the surface.
And if you think growing foodstuffs is boring, then you should try my home grown and made blackcurrant syrup with a decent sized nip of vodka!

Was speaking to a very switched on farmer a couple of days back, we often talk about all sorts of stuff, but he was saying that a couple of the local big farms that just churn out crops year in year out have exhausted their soils to the point the yields are now noticeably lower. If these farms embraced a bit of know how on sustainability and actually looked after the soil and keeping it healthy their yields and profit for the effort would be much improved. But they just won’t listen and continue with the same old routine of endless ploughing and spraying fertilizer…

Has Scotland, Wales or N Ireland not got any football commentators or pundits that could have worked on BBC it ITV on world cup games.

The English bastards were having none of it,,,they decide who we hear on commentary and they decide who the pundits are.

It was always going to be full English every time.

As is true in every aspect of Scottish life.

Bastards!!!

@Dan 8:15

Why have we got an SNP minister for rural affairs who never mentions such things and a “green” party that seems to have never heard about it.

@ KT Lorimer

TBF to Mairi Gougen, if you scroll down her feed she does tweet a fair amount about better farming practices.

link to twitter.com

Scott,

Perhaps you could increase your credibility by telling us what legal qualifications you hold?

Ta.

“Scottish independence: New poll suggests Yes four points ahead after Supreme Court ruling”

“The Redfield & Wilton Strategies poll of 1,000 people finds 49 per cent of Scottish respondents would vote yes and 45 per cent no if there were to be a referendum tomorrow, with 5 per cent saying they did not know.”

link to tinyurl.com

Poor James Kelly won’t like that… it seems to corroborate with the view that there’s been virtually no movement over the last few years.

As I explained last week, it’s likely that for every former “no” voter that crosses over to support Indy, there’s probably a former “yes” supporter that’s so dismayed with Sturgeon and her priorities that they throw in the towel.

It’s actually quite an achievement to suppress support for independence like that, given the shit we have been dragged through as part of the UK since 2016. Academics will puzzle over all this in years to come. It’s quite remarkable really, when you think about it.

It’s not an option for everybody, but if you’re in circumstances with no electricity from time to time, try making yourself a rocket stove from tin cans.

They first started cropping up in Africa, made with the tins from food aid. In drought areas or desert, especially in refugee camps, the amount of wood available is a problem. A rocket stove vastly reduces the amount of fuel needed, and time taken walking for miles to source it.

It burns solid fuel, but very efficiently. Provided they are dry, a few sticks or kindling roughly about the size of a fist will pretty near boil a kettle or pan of water. There’s very little ash left, but obviously there’s a wee bit smoke, so you’ll need to be outside, or if you’re brave, have a chimney.

I reckon about 2 fistfuls of sticks will be enough to cook the tatties. And I mean sticks.Be prepared and have a bit stock of dry stuff. Wet sticks can work, but it gets less hot and it all takes longer to cook stuff.

They’re kinda catching on now, and you now see some proprietary makes for barbecues etc, but the science is very simple to make your own. A wee bit experience, and you can knock something rough up fast in a crisis, or take a bit of time and make one that’s robust and gonna last a few firings.

If the kindling you have is dry and good for burning, you’re still probably gonna be faster on a gas ring, but not really by much. There’s no drama

Cooking a stew is doable, but hard work, you need a pile of wood to keep the fire going for a couple of hours It’s easy to get distracted then it goes out. Better just keeping it simple 1 pan stuff, tatties, or a frying pan, / kettle.

Biggest down side is mess… bottom of your pans / kettle get sooty, and soot can travel everywhere.

Been there, done that, and it’s amazing how much shit doesn’t seem so bad when you can still have a cuppa and a hot meal, while you’re working out what to do for lighting.

This guy’s a bit fussy and American, but you don’t need to do everything as he says. But it is quite a decent demonstration. But don’t call it a Hobo stove. That just makes it sound nasty, when it’s actually a clever wee thing.

link to youtube.com

@Scott says:30 November, 2022 at 8:32 pm

A ‘referendum’ style election to Holyrood isn’t possible in law

So what? “Law” is what those in power say it is, if necessary retrospectively changing “Law” to lend legitimacy to actions. If nobody has to power to stop these actions, and the consequent changes to the “Law”, then the new “Law” stands until revoked.

even if 100% of votes were cast in favour of candidates in support of ‘declaration of independence’, the votes only elect individual members, not the policy proposed

So what? If these individual members have made a solemn vow to enact the policy, and are then voted in on that basis, there is a not unreasonable expectation that the policy will be enacted. That’s the democratic covenant.

Manifestos aren’t contracts – you can’t force members to introduce legislation off the back of them

And there’s the fatal flaw in what passes for present-day democracy. However, as this is a one-off event that is under discussion, and assuming the plebiscitary nature of the election is clearly communicated to the Scottish electorate beforehand, then again, I think it entirely reasonable to expect that the policy will be enacted.

Or, to put it another way, my imagination won’t allow me to visualise a scenario where an overwhelming Scottish vote in favour of those standing on the plebiscitary ticket will result in SFA happening once the new ScotGov is in place.

Unless, of course, they are all being held incommunicado under house arrest.

Actually, I’ll be honest, Scotsrenewables, I can confirm that there’s a lot of truth in what Scott says with regards to the Scotland Act.

It does actually go further than most think and say that basically no aspect of the election process or anything that goes on in parliament can lead to the replacement of the Scottish Parliament, Westminster’s sovereign right to rule, etc…

The plebiscitary election idea, though, is simply a means by which Scottish people would be able to express their opinion. Nothing actionable necessarily follows from it — we simply get to do something Westminster is determined to prevent; express our collective opinion on whether we want to remain in the UK or not.

If we aren’t a colony then we are a country, and if we are a country in a voluntary union then why on earth wouldn’t we be “allowed” to gauge and consider our collective opinion on such matters?

And by the same token, ideas on what the result might inspire or lead to are entirely hypothetical. Everything about the future is, from a philosophical standpoint.

It will be just like any other referendum really, when you boil it down. They’re all advisory and speculation about what might happen afterwards is just that, speculation.

So you can stand down, Scott.

Dan says:
30 November, 2022 at 8:52 pm

Possibly one for Joe to respond to.

link to twitter.com

Hahahaha…nice one Dan.
Let’s get her booked for next Saturday. McCabe for FM?

And I would say you are an English Tory arsehole who is not quite as clever as he thinks he is lol.

@Hatuey says:30 November, 2022 at 9:09 pm

If we aren’t a colony then we are a country

It’s not binary.

We could be a region, in fact, many of those on the anti-Indy side would say that we are.

You need a better argument than the colony/country cul-de-sac.

It will be just like any other referendum really, when you boil it down. They’re all advisory

FFS. So if we get an Indy Ref, and if Yes wins, that’s just advisory?

You need a better argument than that one too.

Hatuey says:
30 November, 2022 at 9:09 pm

The plebiscitary election idea, though, is simply a means by which Scottish people would be able to express their opinion. Nothing actionable necessarily follows from it — we simply get to do something Westminster is determined to prevent; express our collective opinion on whether we want to remain in the UK or not.

Not arguing with you there Hatuey. We just need a clear, unambiguous vote that shows a majority of sovereign Scots want independence.

Nothing will automatically follow from that vote, but it gives us the absolute right to take whatever further steps are necessary