Wings Over Scotland

So nae answers tae any of yer questions about Gravelli committing Contempt or any of the Newspapers. But 2 INDEPENDENCE Bloggers who make no mention of the name are charged with a Criminal Offence which is not an Offence in Scotland. I will sleep soundly knowing that SMSM are well protected.

So, the police sitting in their vans, intimidating Craig Murray & others, waiting on the go ahead from the crown to issue an indictment, is normal police practice? Is this written in law then that they are allowed to do that?

Amazing brass necks all round.

Appears the Police and COPFS hope they can apply “Keep the heads down and they will go away.”
principal.

I’m very surprised at this mess, need an enquiry perhaps the party in power at Holyrood may assist?

No don’t look surprised I’m only joking.

Wait till the newspapers, unions and opposition party’s hear about this, kidding again.

All you can really say is what is that smell?

Never under-estimate the powers and ruthlessness of the UK State.

Clive Ponting died recently. He was a senior Civil Servant who blew the whistle on Thatcher about the infamous sinking of the Belgrano.

Latterly he had serious concerns about Brexit.

“There is no doubt that the Conservatives see Brexit as a way to completely neuter devolution and they are ruthless enough to do it.”

“If it is no deal I think it is inevitable that the Government will take emergency powers to deal with the problems, and it’s not impossible they could use the powers to dissolve the Scottish Parliament.” –

link to thenational.scot

link to youtube.com

This disingenuous letter is talking only of civil contempt of court, which is purely a matter for the court concerned. But there’s also the offence of criminal contempt of court.

Kapelmeister say it all at 11.18.

We cannot afford to let the yoons run one justice system for them (Alister campbell mp, kezia dugdale, dominic cummings et al).And another system for independanistas (Alex Salmond, Stu Campbell and Craig Murray).

If the First Minister does not fight this with a full public enquiry by non-yoons then we are lost.

I am sick of fighting with both hands tied behind my back.

‘We act with honesty and integrity and do not compromise or abuse our position. We act with self-control and tolerance, treating members of the public and colleagues with respect and courtesy in line with our values. We do not abuse our powers or authority and respect the rights of all individuals.’

Our Standards of Professional Behaviour – Police Scotland

Similar to the Perjury verdict in the Sheridan stitch up,

where it is up to the judge to decide if the perjury was an offence, was it `material for that purpose`

did the judge think the perjury effected the trial in a material way,

Sheridan (Scottish Nationalist) it was a `yes` from the judge,

Coulson (Brutish Nationalist) it was a `no` from the judge.

jeezo, when we get independence we are going to need a very big broom to sweep out the systemic corruption that permeates every corner of Scotland`s judicial system.

O/T

Douglas Ross is the new Scots Tory leader. An hour before nominations closed at noon he tweeted to say he’d given Michael Crick an interview about what to expect “under my leadership”. That is surely a measure of the man. He can’t even wait a wee while till nominations close. Same sense of entitlement as Sturgeon.

Anyway, now Michael Gove isn’t the only senior Tory Scot with extensive experience of going along a white line.

@ Kapelmeister @ 12.21pm

Aye Kapelmeister…a coronation…so I’ll repost a comment I made on a previous thread :

It’s a wee shame yon Douglas Ross on Saturday launching his leadership campaign for the Tories in the branch office…and then Sacre Bleu ….ANOTHER piece of Tory sh*t hits the fan to undermine his wee event in the news that a serious sexual allegation has been made against one of his political colleagues….so serious the MP was ARRESTED….mind you the Tories dinnae think it’s THAT important cause the MP in question hasnae had the Whip removed…..note…always remove a WHIP in sexual assault allegations….ask any Domin*trix

Vote for Ross Tory boy….oh wait a minute …..forget that sheeite….here’s another Tory boy allegedly another ‘naughty’ one like yon Charie Elphicke…..

Vote for Tory Ross….from the party who campaign by throwing stones from their Glass houses….main message is Do as WE say not as WE do…..

Ross has enlisted a tag team of Tits in Ruth D and Michael Gove…you know Michael he’s the one that supports you then stabs you in the back if he sees a benefit for himself…aided by his minder…the wife….Michael was a Goldfish in a previous life…and looking at him as a human you can see he , in this life, did not completely morph as he still has some distinctive facial features he had in his previous life…..he does not BOWL me over ……

Ruth D resigned as leader of the branch office…but has now deployed the Yeh But No But Yeh Tory tactic of mixed messages in returning to mind the local shop for a presumptuous Douglas….or as they say in Tory circles….a Shoo in….I believe they are considering a Monkey, Donkey and a Squirrel ( squirrel helps deflect) to stand against him in the leadership Contest NOT contest…….meanwhile Michelle Ballantyne still bilin at the thought of LOSING to Jackson who himself LOST out as HQ gave him his P45……sorry meant when he resigned…she hasn’t BECOME bitter…because she has always BEEN bitter…Bitter Together indeed.

This is not a political party but a Soap opera …….

Police Scotland are merely a go between here, it is the court that decides if a contempt has been committed and the court that instigates the police investigation. This is above the police and goes straight to the top of the justice system in Scotland, they are the sole arbiters of justice and who will be charged.

We as citizen’s have no say even when we can see a contempt of greater magnitude being committed and ignored because it fits the narrative the powerful want. It would seem that quote “We say no, and we are the state’,? Well we say yes – and we are the people.” doesn’t really hold much water when confronting the justice system.

Jfngw if the police investigate they should have the info ref questions asked

Rev – have you seen the story on the front page of the Stirling Observer today? SNP councillor from Bannockburn resigns from party citing toxic abuse. Looks like another gender critical SNP woman driven out by the same abusive gang of kids that we keep hearing about.

Interestingly she claims that her husband, ex MP Steven Paterson, was blocked from standing as an MP by undemocratic means to make way for Alyn Smith to be parachuted in.

I’ve only been aware of the dodgy goings on from the SNP since their moves to block Joanna Cherry but it now looks like they’ve been busy for over a year to make sure their favourite pro-trans candidates get selected. Might be worth investigating some more to find out exactly how they’ve been undemocratic in the Alyn Smith selection – there’s definitely more to be exposed.

So any police action re contempt of court is unlawful and illegal?

Misuse of public funds, gross misconduct………

From the Carmichael trial onward, it’s been pretty much in-your- face what’s going in Scotland. No better man to consult on the matter than the new and welcome contributor: Mr K MacAskill methinks.

@John Thomson

The answer to the rev questions is no, if they had not received a complaint regarding the publication then they would not have done any of these. Even if they had I’m dubious whether they would divulge this, how would you react if someone had contacted the police asking if you had been investigated, would you expect them to divulge these details.

Hi PhilM at 12:36 pm.

You typed,
“All the journalists who the Rev. claims have shown contempt did so after the trial, whereas Craig, Mark and others did so before it or perhaps during it (I will accept a cuff roond the lug if I’ve got this wrong).”

Three links for you…
“A journalist nearly caused Alex Salmond’s trial to collapse on its second day after tweeting the name of one of his accusers.
The revelation has been published following Mr Salmond’s acquittal on 12 sexual assault charges facing him, along with another which was found not proven.
According to the i, the journalist in question swiftly deleted the post, but not before it was seen by prosecutors in the case.
Alex Prentice QC pointed out to trial judge Lady Dorrian that the “very large following” of the journalist involved, who had more than 30,000 followers on the social media site, meant it presented a significant risk to the woman’s anonymity.
Lady Dorrian described the post as an “egregious breach” of protocol and banned the unnamed reporter from tweeting for the rest of the trial.”
That’s from,
link to holdthefrontpage.co.uk

“When Salmond’s former Chief of Staff Geoff Aberdein told the court he and one of the complainers had first met with her on March 29, 2018 – four days earlier than the date she previously gave the Scottish Parliament – several of them almost spontaneously combusted.”
That’s from the Garavelli story in the Scotsman (originally published by Tortoise),
link to archive.is

Then have a look at this story in the Shropshire Star, from January 2019…
link to archive.is

O/T
Douglas Ross is the newly crowned (not elected) leader of the UK Conservative and Unionist Party in Scotland. Surely these people should drop the word ‘Scottish’ from their name.

“Contempt of court is not a criminal offence in scotland”

That is not quite what it said, it said it was an offence the the law in scotland, and so police, do not know , but it is an offence- i take it that what they meant was the police can not charge you with contempt of court, only the courts can do that. At which point the police will act on the instruction of the court.

Speaking as a former member of Stirling snp i had no say or vote in the selection of Alyn Smith as my representative,first i knew i think, was reading it in the national.
im no fan of Stephen patterson but i would have liked a hustings,some hard questions put to candidates and a democratic vote, Stirling really is a rotten bourgh

@jfngw 12:36pm

Indeed, it’s the only part the response does cover.
It is not a matter for the Police, unless instructed by the Courts.
That would also apply to any investivation by the Police – they would have to be instructed by the Courts.

Of course the next obvious question is; who else is allowed to instruct the Police and/or utilise their ‘services’? Now that, it turns out, is quite a long list.

So ‘Police action’ against person ‘X’, ostensibly about matters relating to matters ‘Y’; does not necessarily need to be something which was instigated by the Police, or indeed the Courts.

Excellent exchange- particularly from the police whose statement manages to infer, in a single paragraph, that:

The answer to questions 1-5 is NO, otherwise there would have been a record and information held.

The answer to the “who” part of question 6 is that it is NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENCE, but can nonetheless incur punishment at the behest of the Crown, the Defence or the Judge.

The answer to the “what grounds” part of question 6 is unknown, but the court’s discretion in deciding the issue is limited in so far as any punishment must be effective (ie timely), vindicated (with reference to the authorities with which the court is entrusted) and, above all, consistent with the objective of preserving the DUE AND IMPARTIAL ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE

The answer to question 7 is also NO.

The answer to question 8 is that, of those entitled to seek punishment for contempt (the Judge, the Crown and the Defence), only the Crown may petition the court in relation to matters of potential contempt arising outside it. It follows that, in order to do so, the court in question must still be active..

Given that the logical conclusion to the foregoing should result in humble apologies and dropped charges, it remains possible that the only reason they could not answer awkward questions about threatening people supportive of Alex Salmond is that those particular questions turned out to be better left unasked 🙂

To give some context to current events, I recommend a read of this bio about the life of Thomas Muir:

link to spartacus-educational.com

“He also became a fierce critic of a legal system that he believed was biased in favour of the rich”.

“The British government became concerned about Thomas Muir and a spy was recruited to gather information about his political activities. After the spy had gathered what was considered enough evidence, Thomas Muir was arrested on 2nd January, 1793, and charged with sedition”.

Contempt of Court power comes from here: link to copfs.gov.uk

See previous entry. The reply you received is what is called ‘blowing stoor up your ass’.

This is a very slippery and disingenuous response by Police Scotland. Contempt of court may not be a crime, but (a) it can be punished in the same way as a crime and (b) one of the most common ways for an alleged contempt to be brought to the attention of the court is through proceedings instituted by the public prosecutor. And in deciding whether to institute such proceedings the public prosecutor (the Lord Advocate or a member of his Crown Office staff) can instruct the police to conduct any necessary investigations. Did the Crown Office instruct the police to conduct such investigations into the articles by Dani Garavelli (and by others) that enabled jigsaw identication to be made of (some of) the alphabet women? If not, the Crown Office should be asked why not. If the Crown Office did instruct such investigations (or concluded without the necessity of police investigation that jigsaw identification had been enabled) it should be asked on what basis of law or policy it was decided in some cases to refer the matter to the court as potential contempt and in other cases not to do so.

Sounds like the Judge acts out with his remit.
Politically motivated charge? We really are living in a dank little Tyranny.
Count Dankula has interesting stuff to say about the Hate Bill. You should check it out.

See that Douglas Ross was happy the other day to retweet a message of support he received from Argyll Tory councillor Bobby Good, he of the controversial adler tattoo.

Nicola Diabola brutalising her own people threatening to send track and trace STASI to our doors .
Is there no one on here dubious about the Government media covid narrative?
I see it all as part of the same overall UN strategy to turn the human race into a farmed species.
Everything’s heading that way unless you choose to believe media word magic.
Words and how they are manipulated by media have magic to over power the frightened.
Independence would get in the way of the evil bastards program.
Does anyone on here realise that many old people were condemned to death through a withdrawal of sustenance? Then classed as covid deaths. I know this is an Independence site but there’s a small matter of crimes against humanity.
No wonder it’s the public locked up and not our Governments.
You won’t trust First Minister on Salmond case but you’ll trust her on covid?
Jesus fucking Holy Hell Christ.

Scots law in a nutshell.

Crown office: ‘prosecute that man, because he supported Salmond, but don’t prosecute anybody else for the SAME offense or WORSE, if they happily attack Salmond’.

Crown office: ‘Oh, and remember, if anybody asks, we know nothing about this, and were not involved, neither were the police, or the judge, or the justice secretary, or the civil service or anybody. In fact, from what we recall, none of us were even here, their are NO records and ‘contempt’ isn’t even a crime’.

A lot of sabotage happening in Mid East .

Hi Dave Hansell at 4:08 pm.

You typed,
“whilst no Contempt of Court action was taken against Corporate Media on the grounds that the Court was not in session at the time of their publication”

link to wingsoverscotland.com

You also typed,
“Which is that, the trial having finished and the Court no longer in session, Contempt of Court proceedings (at least) could not be brought against others for reproducing the section of the Corporate Media article which has already been deemed acceptable* to be published without legal consequences.”

From Wednesday July 08 2020,

link to archive.is

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. I am still trying to get over my last post. At least Stu is in Bath so a pretty long arm of the law to reach him but not so for people living in Scotland. What has gone wrong?. Still hoping something breaks in the Salmond Inquiry although I am not so confident about that after this exercise in pass the parcel. Scotland is now a fiefdom for the few. Desperate for a new party myself.

If you have a good lawyer or QC as I had no liars can beat you, in my own case the case was thrown out of court, the prosecution new it was 2 lying police officers and they kept me going to pleading diets for about 6 months.
Eventually they had to throw it out of court because I was taking it the whole way, and the 2 lying coppers would have had to take the oath, and they new I had the proof I was innocent
I was raging, I wanted those 2 liars to take the oath.
I remember a couple of guys in england getting 18 years each for perjury, it actually carries a life sentence, and not a lot of people know that, but I bet you Michael Cain does lol

So… the Judge, the Defence and the ‘Crown’ can raise a complaint of ‘Contempt of Court’.

So why has Alex’s lawyer not done so? Alex’s defence team should have raised a complaint against Dani Garavelli and co.

How much longer are we to endure this crooked, venal state? To tolerate how we are treated requires a vested interest in the status quo or just plain stupidity. Much as I despise the former I can understand it. What I fail to understand is those who cannot be arsed to stir themselves to do anything for the benefit of themselves or others and simply accept all the shit which is thrown their way by corrupt politicians, broadcasters and printed media. Even the dumbest and most disinterested amongst us must have had their eyes opened over the last few years.

Now we have the added problem of a demonstrably compliant Scottish Government who blatantly ignore open goals on the route to independence to keep themselves and their mates in a cushy job. I thought we Scots had more about us than that. It would appear I was wrong. The SNP are completely compromised and probably infiltrated as well. If they do not urgently cleanse the party from top to bottom, starting with Sturgeon, Murrell and their cronies, then a credible alternative must arise. We need leaders like AS and JC who will live and breathe independence to get us out of this shit hole union. In the meantime STOP CONTRIBUTING TO THE SNP. Rip up your membership cards and tell them why. The only thing these freeloaders understand is money, or the lack of it.

The “New Labour” Government, using its massive majority forced through a devolution deal but true to form all was not as it appeared to be. Arch Unionists, Blair and Brown cobbled together a package of measures crammed full of caveats many of which would surface over time. They devolved little and removed a lot.

Voting arrangements, introducing a strange hybrid form of proportional representation were put in place by the Labour government and the Lib/Dem’s ensuring there would be a permanent coalition government in Scotland to the exclusion of the SNP and the Tory’s.

In 2003, a Commons Select Committee highlighted an urgent need for the UK government to introduce organisational change in Westminster, at the centre of government, reflecting the new political relationships with the recently devolved Scottish Government.

Failure, on the part of Unionist politicians, to identify the purposes of devolution and put in place agreed “terms of reference” for the newly devolved government might introduce difficulties arising resulting in a “war of wills” which could encourage the UK government to weaken or indeed set aside devolution.

link to caltonjock.com

I of course am now a proud EX SNP member.

Since 1st Jan 2020.

So if A.S’s legal petitioned the court that Garbaldi has commited contempt she would be up in court too? Wonder if it was the judge or the prosecutor who pressed against Craig.

Twathater says

I can’t improve on your comment. Except to say I feel the same

@Kenny

Of course you can, the location of the actual equipment is pretty much irrelevant. If you lived in England and published it from England then it’s unlikely as it would require Scots law to seen as superior to English law over free speech.

Whereas if you are a US citizen and block access from the UK then you can publish anything that names anyone as long as it doesn’t break any US laws. But if you virtually become an American you could still read it.

Of course the british state controlled/control all their colonies by controlling the institutions of those colonies.

Notice the Police Scotland badge designers went to the trouble of placing the English King’s Crown atop.

British state will always try to neutralise threats including those who have turned full native.

Dakk says

I normally agree with your posts. But on this occasion I respectfully disagree. This is Scotland under Sturgeons stewardship. Nothing else and nothing more. I wish it was different. I wish for a British State conspiracy. I wish for something that prevents me from being a mug.

Briandoonthetoon 4:20

It would seem there are three other words I typed at the very beginning which appear to be missing in what has been quoted. Which, as a result (seemingly accidentally?), totally alter and misconstrue what was being said.

Consequently, in the interest of balance it’s worth including those three words, which are a caveat to everything which follows:

“On the assumption.”

The article in the link provided does not seem to get us very far as the way the article reports matters contains conflicting observations on the issue.

Paragraph one contains a clear conditional statement:

“The public must not identify the women who claimed that they were sexually assaulted by Alex Salmond when a contempt of court hearing takes place, a judge has warned.”

ie the offence exists when the hearing is in session. Implying that there may (please note that conditional word) be some difference when the Court case is not in operation?

This conditionality is further argued in the article in Paragraph five referring to the argument of the prosecution which is again conditional on the same point:

“The prosecution claims that some of the comments on his blog broke strict legal guidelines about what can be reported during High Court proceedings.”

Whilst this point is seemingly contradicted in Paragraph nine:

“Lady Dorrian, who presided over Mr Salmond’s trial, added: “All those who are viewing these proceedings should be aware that the original contempt of court order remains in place.””

The fact that the judge has not acted to enforce that court order in the case of Corporate media providing the means to identify complainants after the Court case had concluded and the Court no longer in session suggests, at best, that he judge does not believe their own statement quoted above.

If she did she would have acted upon that statement in a consistent manner.

As matters stand the judge’s inconsistent non action in regards the other existing instances of such identification is itself negligent in protecting the complainants and actually undermines the contempt order by virtue of the inconsistency.

If I were in the position of the complainants in such circumstances it would seem reasonable to submit a complaint against the judge for failing to consistently apply the Contempt judgement on the grounds that it is not being properly applied in all instances.

Not only putting the complainants at risk but undermining the rule of law which the judge, if they are doing their duty properly, competently and professionally, should not be doing.

It is just as well not everyone in these islands are as incompetent in their job and duties as the judge clearly is in this case.

It’s my perception that a number of key Actors within ‘Salmond prosecution arena’ are acting as corrupt, duplicitous, morally and ethically bankrupt weapons of State (& politics).

Transparency and accountability has the ability to resolve my perception…

Latest on Forward as One court case:

link to crowdjustice.com

Dave Hanselll at 16.08

Mark Hirst appears to be being prosecuted for making threatening statements to witnesses in a trail a week after the trail ended.

link to thesouthernreporter.co.uk

Absolutely outrageous, because of a so called “cluster” of 54 cases in aberdeen she has used that as a justification to place it under lockdown. Remind us again nicola how many people have died in Scotland in the past month, how many in aberdeen, how empty are the hospitals in aberdeen, when was the last time a covid patient showed up at hospital in aberdeen because I know in forth valley they have only had one covid case that required hospitilization in the past month? They must be overflowing right if this is the second wave.

You could tell from the way she has been talking recently that she has been desperate to do this in Scotland. She has been looking over the border and watching what the dictator boris has been doing in the north of England enviously, she has been looking for any excuse. No doubt Glasgow is next on her list.

According to Professor Carl Heneghan, the director of oxfords cebm, there is no second wave. The increased number of cases that are being found are a reflection of the massive increase in testing and the government actively seeking out people. It is suprising that the government doesn’t even try to factor that in, they won’t even consider it as a possibility.

link to dailymail.co.uk

I also have noticed that the media and the doom mongers have gone suprisingly quiet recently on the outbreaks in Brazil and the southern US states. That is probably because the cases are all decreasing there and 10s of millions of people have not died.

Quote from craig murray..

Why oh why is the SNP focused on dividing us?

Simple answer Craig, Infiltration by agents/ activists of the british state!

I’ve posted several times before that the SNP being the biggest threat to the british state was, and remains, infiltrated and influenced by the british secret service. Much the same way as the Irish Republican movement was and is!

I’m not claiming to have proof of this, no one possibly can, or the spooks would be doing a terrible job of concealment.

But the evidence of division and delay in pursuing the parties main goal of independence is plain to see.

As the highest levels of the IRA were infiltrated no one should be surprised the reach of the british state in opposing independence.

Very high profile figures in the SNP are bribed and/or blackmailed to cause opposition. They are backed by a complicit unionist media and, like a wounded animal are close to vicious defence of the state.

They will be keeping their powder dry at the moment, but they are nearing end game for the union.

The independence movement should continue to demand answers from and promote change from the policy makers and leadership of the SNP.

Imho, sturgeon is controlled by the brit secret service, not as a spook or double agent or cloak and dager spy, but, as the chief administrator of british rule in Scotland.

Effectively paying back thet people who paved the way for her rise to the top.
What better way to control your enemy than by having the leader in your back pocket.

The sturgeon trolls will of course disagree, but the evidence given above cannot be so easily explained away.

Hope Stuart doesn’t mind Forward As One full email update

Update on The Scottish People Vs The UK Government on Indyref2

Dear Backers,

We’re ready to move to arguments before the court.

It has been a long hard slug getting to this point, but now we’re ready to go to court.

At 7pm tonight, the next round of fundraising begins and it’s a biggy.

We need all of you to assist with getting the word out.

The new fundraiser can be found here and will be live from 7pm:

link to crowdjustice.com

The text for the fundraiser:

This is the second fundraiser for the case MARTIN JAMES KEATINGS v (FIRST) THE ADVOCATE GENERAL FOR SCOTLAND; (SECOND) THE LORD ADVOCATE; and (THIRD) THE SCOTTISH MINISTERS (Commonly referred to as “The Peoples Action on Section 30” case.)

The case is seeking a declarator of the Court, that the Scottish Parliament has the power to legislate for the holding of a referendum on whether Scotland should be an independent country, without requiring the consent of the UK government or any further amendment of the Scotland Act 1998 (the “1998 Act”).

Summary –

December 2019 : Our solicitor Elaine Motion of Balfour +Manson LLP, commissions instructs Aidan O’Neill QC to provide an opinion on the constitutionality of the Scottish Parliament legislating on a second referendum on Scottish Independence without the consent of Westminster, after yet another rejection of a section 30 order by the Prime Minister – This opinion is available here: Legal Opinion

January 2020 : We commence fundraising for the case reaching £43,658, of which £40,263.62 is transferred to the solicitors directly by CrowdJustice after deduction of appropriate fees. Transfer Confirmation

January 30th 2020: The Advocate General of the UK Government is issued with pre-litigation correspondence from our solicitors at Balfour+Manson and the Scottish Government are also copied into that correspondence. : Correspondence

February 14th 2020: UK Government responds by stating that they do not believe that the Scottish Parliament has the authority to legislate for a second referendum on Scottish Independence without the consent of Westminster (“Section 30 Order”).

March 20th 2020: A court summons is issued in the name of the Convener of Forward as One, overseeing the litigation. Court Summons

Since March 2020 we have had to deal with a number of administrative motions. The first was resisting a motion by the Scottish Government to halt proceedings for 3 months. We won this motion – and the 8 week “adjustment period” commenced, being the time in which parties refine their arguments. This ended on 22nd of July.

During this process, we were subject to another motion by the Scottish Government, which was ultimately dropped in the late stages, after our legal team had already had to invest a hefty amount of energy in working on it.

The third administrative motion, which was with respect to a protected expenses order – seeking to limit the costs of litigation – has been refused by the court.

What are we trying to achieve? – To prove that a referendum on Scottish Independence can be legislated for at Holyrood without the consent of Westminster under the law as it currently stands.

What is the next step in the case? – The next step is preparation for a legal debate. At the moment we are unable to disclose the contents of the submissions by the opposing parties, until we have permission to do so. As always, when this changes, our backers will be the first to know.

Our next stage is to lodge with the court- the “Open Record” which is, in effect, the respective arguments and submissions of all the parties to the case in one organised document. Its purpose is to allow easy reference to specific matters within those arguments for all parties (including the court). Once this is lodged, a legal debate hearing of 3 days will be scheduled.

In other words, to steal a quote from a certain politician: This case is now “oven ready” to proceed to oral arguments.

Why is this fundraiser running:

As we said previously, we would approach the movement for further fundraising when it became necessary. By way of an estimate. Total costs are projected by the court in the ruling on the protected expenses order to be somewhere in the region of £195,000 in total. We deduct from that total, the sum of £40,000 from the previous fundraiser and we are left with £155,000.

This is the target we are aiming for.

To be clear, if we do not reach our target, legal action will have to be discontinued.

CrowdJustice

As with the last fundraiser, those donating are reminded of several things. Firstly, you cannot set up a fundraiser on CrowdJustice unless you have a verified legal counsel. CrowdJustice do not allow a fundraiser to launch without confirmation of this.

We never see the funds, the transfer of the funds is dealt with directly by CrowdJustice and our solicitors at Balfour + Manson LLP. Any unspent funds at the conclusion of the case are subject to Crowdjustice’s refund policy.

Initial Target & Stretch Target.

In order for funds to be transferred to the solicitors, it needs to hit the “initial target”. We have set this target to £10,000 (which is way below what we are seeking). The target will then change to £155,000 when the fundraiser hits £10,000

We have opted to do it this way so we can leave the fundraiser open for longer and so people can continue to donate.

I am so fed up of the BritNat argument. Listen to the Stu and his evidence Trolls all around us and MI5 has a controlling influence. No mention of the SG.
Absolute rubbish. I for one haven’t had an answer to my educatiional solution of this morning. Stopped my car to post. If we don’t care about our bairns then all is lost.

It is now clear that there is one rule for MSM journos and another for us hoi polloi including those who think they are journalists for just publishing stuff online. That’s us telt then.

it is very clear that the law of contempt in Scotland is now in serious disrepute. A matter Craig & Mark’s lawyers should make hay with except it seems under the law they can’t. The whole thing stinks to high heaven & beyond.

With GRA still looming, the Hate Crime Bill & now this I am being strongly drawn to the conclusion that Scotland is becoming a place I no longer wish to live in. In my case I have an option being a citizen of New Zealand as well. I am hanging 10 but looking for jobs back there is occupying my thoughts more and more. Especially since nobody seems to want to even interview a science PhD holding male in his 50s here in Scotland. I have skills & experience coming out of my pores to absolutely no avail.

It’s UC in a Woke paradise where the Unionist media are bullet proof or maybe earning a crust in NZ.

I appreciate others do not have this option & now escaping to Europe is becoming harder.

“And again I say, this is no longer a pro-independence site.”

Why should it MPB?
This is a site for politics in general with a Scottish lilt.

@Lothian

“As the highest levels of the IRA were infiltrated no one should be surprised the reach of the british state in opposing independence.”

Are you saying an Independent Scotland wont have its own intelligence service? What about Foreign policy and projecting our influence abroad, guarding vital trade routes etc.

The Scottish Govt may well have sleeper agents working in Westminster ATM, they would be fools not to.

@Bungo

All the LOLZ. This from the arch gradualist assuring us indyref2 will magically happen. The biggest threat to independence is shills like you.

RM says
Another BritNat argument. This situation originates in Scotland. When just when are you going to realise that? I give up. Continue with your arguments its nonsense.

Stu says
A late intervention but we can take it. Help!

Small joke there.

Very small.

This is sinister.
I cannot believe this is happening in Scotland.

@Jockanese Wind Talker

It appears that many Actors and levels are deeply implicated in the Epstein saga. Let’s hope justice is served…

This is sinister.
I cannot believe this is happening in Scotland under an SNP government. That reply by the police was made with arrogant contempt in the confident knowledge they are untouchable. So who is behind this.
I am not naturally a believer in conspiracies but there is certainly something going on, and its nasty.

Gregor @9.40

Thanks for posting. Totally agree.

Some cosy bedtime reading for our resident covid sceptics

NYC to Set Up Checkpoints to Enforce Quarantine Order

U.S. daily coronavirus cases rise after dipping below 50,000 for two straight days

link to archive.vn

One of Pete Wishart’s name’s is shown the red card,,,Bungo, non of your arguments made sense.

You were shown your red card for trying to defend the indefensible.

Next up, the site Cat.

C’mon, give us your worst pussy galore.

Famous 15 thank you for othering me.

Mialuci 11.22pm

“And as for that stupid idea that the SNP don’t want Independence, what chinless wonder started that nonsense, has to be a unionist taking the urine”

I think they call her Nicola Sturgeon,,, she’s the chinless wonder you are looking for Mialuci.

Mailuci@11.22pm

Such eloquence – that’s us all telt!

The arrogant attitude of many wingers puts people off the idea of Independence.

Alex Lomax Count Dankula has a video discussing the Hate Bill and he is as horrified by the implications of the Bill as any sane human being who believes in freedom unlike yourself sniping like a bitch on the sidelines. You display the typical blockheaded orthodox thinking of the fool pissed on media propaganda.
You will find that David Icke is right about this virus.It hasn’t been clinically isolated It’s a waste of time trying to explain to fools like you.
Lurkers check out Doctor Pamela Poppers YouTube channel for the other side of the narrative the media won’t show you.
Over a million people marched in Berlin against their oppressive Government. Freedoms loss is a concern for all citizens . The little crypto fascist SNO Antifa types on here can go fuck yourselves. Antifa use exactly the same tactics as the Nazi Brownshirts. Your having the wool pulled over your eyes by Government and Alex Flumox.

Tam the Bam says:
Dogbuiscuit @ 11-56pm
“David Icke was right about this virus”

sums it up fer me too

@Dogbiscuit says:
5 August, 2020 at 11:50 pm
“The 54’cases’ won’t be sick .Its more political exaggeration. Sturgeon really needs rethink her attitude and behaviour. She is a brute.”

The 54 are being quarantined so they don’t infect more people. Infection spreads at a geometric rate if there are no controls.

Try to keep up.

@tam

dunno, but im sure icke now posts here regularly

Aw. I was going to tell him.

We probably played the same machine in the arcade on Whitburn road.

Thanks, Stu. Cool! Never forget the first time I saw Space Invaders (can hear the barp-barp-barp noise the aliens made as they patiently shuffled across the screen) or, indeed, any of the rest of that late 70s/very early 80s influx of videogame madness from Japan: Centipede, Gorf, Pac-Man (saw it on a tabletop console in Hillbrow in South Africa), Donkey Kong (had a wee two-screen orange console of that one), Defender, Boot Hill, and any other amount of classic games from the time. Then onto Atari times…and Speccy 48K (Clive Sinclair was responsible for colonising and destroying many young minds, not just because of the C5!) and Commodore 64 and Dragon 32…and look at us now. Mental, absolutely mental what the last 40-odd years have brought us technologically, good and bad. Pure entertainment-cum-net-surveillance tsunami.

Breeks at 1003pm,

Quote “… But for all that, I don’t think you need to be a highly trained Intelligence Officer to know that something really stinks.”

An excellent post. I do not doubt for one second that their are some high up who are now being controlled by their ‘handlers’. Some never were on ‘our’ side.

The buck stops with Nicola Sturgeon. If she intervened to reverse the gerrymandering of the Edinburgh consituency, then it may give some reassurance, but honestly, given NS is actually on the NEC, I have no doubt she was behind it (or at least knew it would be done).

So, yes, it stinks, it stinks to high heaven.

I’m increasingly having to post on here to let off steam.
Even people I follow and agree with on many things can’t see passed NS dealings with Covid.

I too think she’s a control freak becoming increasingly difficult tataorial.
Locking down Aberdeen is shocking.

The original lockdown was so the NHS could prepare itself to deal with cases. It is now prepared. There was no need to lock down the whole city.

I’ve been thinking for a while that she has a strong Calvinist streak, she wants to control people’s leisure time.
I never thought my own gov would scare me but under her stewardship, they do

I wish she would go but still too many hang onto her every word.

I agree with you Liz for the most part the problem she’s damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t, it’s not an easy call and I’m glad i’m not the one having to make these decisions, also this is the sort of thing she’s good at so we have to trust her judgement whether we like it or not.

Nicola will not win our independence, that’s not what she’s good at but in the meantime at least her handling of the COVID crisis is winning us support, so we should at least be thankful for that, hopefully soon she’ll be gone and we can elect a leader who can lead the way

Graeme says:
6 August, 2020 at 8:14 am

…Nicola will not win our independence, that’s not what she’s good at but in the meantime at least her handling of the COVID…

If Nicola was struggling to devise a coherent strategy for Independence, fair do’s, it’s not a hanging offence and it’s a very complex issue, but she should do the responsible management thing, focus on COVID if that’s where she’s strong, and delegate Independence to somebody else, … a relentless, Cyberdyne Systems Terminator who will not stop.

Covid would give her the perfect opportunity to stay FM, but actually put someone more capable in charge of getting Independence delivered. But as most of us can now see, Nicola’s initative, and her capacity to exploit opportunity are both dismal. Her selection of office bearers looks pretty ropey too.

It’s very poor management to let essential matters slide on the back burner because you personally lack the capacity to deal with two pressing political matters at the same time.

I thought it was telling that when pressed about a List Party and the Alex Salmond smearing conspiracy, it was dismissed as nonsense she couldn’t get her head around. A decent Interviewer would have smelled blood on hearing that…

Look folks , Covid19 is real
It kills people
Makes many others very sick
Leaves many with long lasting damage to their lungs kidneys liver

For the reasons stated above lockdown has to be considered

What then makes lockdown essential when there is an outbreak as has been seen in the Aberdeen area

Is that you can have covid19 for 5 to as much as 14 days before you actually start to wonder if you’ve got it

By then you have unknowingly passed it on to other people possible many other people who then do the same

If you cannot see the sense of lockdown in these circumstances there is something wrong with your sensibilities

Young people are much less at risk of getting really ill if they get covid19 but they will pass it on to other unsuspecting people just as easily and those unsuspecting people might die from it

People who are more at risk of dying from covid19 are obviously going to be much much more vigilante than people who are not
You won’t find very many pubs and clubs where a majority of the customers in it are over 65 sure you might find some but the vast majority are frequented by younger people now that’s a clue as to why we are seeing sporadic outbreaks not just in Scotland but elsewhere too

It’s important we all try to protect the safety of our older people our disabled people all the people at greater risk of dying from covid19

It’s gone on a long time this restriction in our lives and it’s totally understandable that young fit healthy people are really fed up of the restrictions placed on them when there is very little chance of them dying or getting seriously ill but that’s NOT the point here

The point is that those same people even they don’t get really sick with covid19 they will pass it on to other people who will get really sick or even die

This is why Nicola Sturgeon has reintroduced lockdown in places that have been careless

So all you people complaining about lockdown in Aberdeen ? ….give yourselves a shake

Come on get a grip ,you have a duty to protect other people even if you personally feel you are not at risk , forgoing your jaunt to the beach in Aberdeen is a small sacrifice

Nations tighten mask rules, lockdowns as Covid-19 deaths approach 700,000

link to archive.vn

McDuff
“Then what are you doing on here relentlessly posting”

The opposite of what you are trying to do.

SNP like them or not , like their policies or not , like their MP,s or not like Nicola Sturgeon or not

They are the only party that will get Scottish independence
Nobody else comes close

If we abandon the SNP it will be Ten to twenty years before there is another party with strong enough support and good enough administration to go for Scottish independence

Be careful what you wish for

Be aware that we are in a propaganda war with England’s Westminster they are grappling to keep control of Scotland as a country

Everywhere there are kiddy on Scottish independence supporters who really have only one intention and that is to distract and upset you and turn you against your fellow Scottish independence supporters they will also turn you against the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon and any other strongholds of Scottish independence

Be smart don’t get caught up in their tangle of deceit

Until we have secured Scottish independence there really is no other issue that we should be falling out about
Every other issue that comes up is small fry compared to Scottish independence because once we have secured Scottish independence we will as a nation be able to decide everything for ourselves without having to ask westminster or people like Boris Johnston for permission

We won’t have to deal with all our newspapers acting on behalf of another country-england
We won’t have to deal with all out tv channels acting on behalf of another country-england

If we stick to the basics of voting SNP we will have Scottish independence soon

Don’t throw away the chance by letting persuasive strangers online who have what appear to be good arguments for abandoning Scottish independence in favour of other matters which will still be in the control of Westminster at the end of the day because as you have seen often in recent years westminster control everything in Scotland , even devolution , even the police and the courts.

Get smart
Reject everything that tries to persuade you to abandon Scottish independence and voting SNP